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Sadist Versus Narcissist

April 15th, 2014 - 3:16 pm

The danger in the Ukraine crisis was always that the Ukrainians — or some faction therein — would fight the Russians, escalating the crisis.  Resistance from Obama was not in the cards. CNN quoted David Frum as saying that Obama had in effect gave Putin the “green light” to carve up Ukraine.

Obama’s admirers think so too, though they put it differently. Ronan Farrow has advised the president to do nothing as Russia advances. “So, President Obama waiting and exercising caution isn’t necessarily sitting on his hands. It may be the caution that we need right now.”

Farrow’s right. Obama’s not sitting on his hands. He’s waving Putin through. The effect is the same.

Even Obama’s former diplomatic appointees can see what’s happening. James Jeffrey, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq in the Obama administration, implored NATO to send troops to the Ukraine because nothing else would be believed. He said, “The best way to send Putin a tough message and possibly deflect a Russian campaign against more vulnerable NATO states is to back up our commitment to the sanctity of NATO territory with ground troops, the only military deployment that can make such commitments unequivocal.”

Interestingly Jeffrey doesn’t see Ukraine as an end-point of Putin’s plots but a way station to other “more vulnerable NATO states”. And he is anxious to prevent the action from shifting Westwards, may because he knows the stuff Brussels is made of.

The “fragile” EU, having expanded its remit East, now claims it is too fragile to resist Putin now that he’s on the counteroffensive. An article in Bloomberg says, “the U.S. readiness to impose new economic sanctions on Russia over Ukraine is offset by the European Union’s reluctance to introduce stronger measures that could threaten its already fragile economic recovery.”

Translation. They won’t even back serious sanctions. The soft-power superpower that is the EU has looked into its arsenal of diplomatic demarches and human rights declarations and found — nothing. So now they want Obama to ante up the lead in stopping Vlad.  They’ll bring up the rear, maybe tomorrow. But Obama needs the EU in the van, with its greater market share of Russian goods.  We have the classic tableau.

Alphonse: After you monsieur.

Gaston: No, no. After you.

Alphonse: But I insist. After you.

Neither Alphonse nor Gaston are going anywhere. Apparently the Ukrainians know this. Matthew Kaminski writes in the Wall Street Journal that Kiev thinks it’s been sold down the river.

Boris Tarasiuk, Ukraine’s former foreign minister, barely disguises his anger. He says: “We’ve not seen the same reaction from the U.S.” as during Russia’s 2008 attack on Georgia. U.S. Navy warships were deployed off the Georgian Black Sea coast. Large Air Force transport planes flew into Tbilisi with emergency humanitarian supplies. But who really knew for sure what was on board the planes? That was the point. Russian troops on the road to the Georgian capital saw them above and soon after turned back. The Bush administration dropped the ball on follow-up sanctions but may have saved Georgia.

By contrast, the Obama administration seems to think that pre-emptive concessions will pacify Mr. Putin. So the president in March ruled out U.S. military intervention in Ukraine. Maybe, but why say so? Late last month at a news conference in Brussels, Mr. Obama also openly discouraged the idea of Georgia or Ukraine joining NATO.

So the ball is back with Ukraine, which was the danger in the first place. Now the world is at the mercy of what the various militias on both sides do in the next few weeks. Having washed their hands of leadership; having given Putin the Green light, Obama and his allies find events are out of their hands and reposed with unknown commanders on the ground. A “hands-off” policy necessarily hopes the Ukrainian plane will fly itself — and what are the odds of that?

The Associated Press noted that, rather than graciously accepting the “pre-emptive concessions” Obama was handing him on a platter, Putin seemed almost determined to grind the cigarette out on his face. “They have been willing to do things to provoke the situation that no one anticipated,” Matthew Rojansky, a regional analyst at the Wilson Center, said of Russia. “It’s such a high-stakes, high-risk situation, and here they are right in the middle of it.”

Obama has been yelling ‘stop! stop!’ and still Putin is twisting his arm. The president made yet another plea to Putin according to Carol Lee in the Wall Street Journal: “White House Tells Kremlin Diplomacy Is Still an Option Despite Escalation”. Putin is making Obama crawl to lick his boots.

What is the point of this? Gerald Seib in another Wall Street Journal article notes that mind games are being played on Obama.  Seib asks “what do you do when the person you seek to punish is willing to endure more pain than the person doing the punishing?”  He was by the way, referring to Putin as the object of punishment. Why the chastiser either accepts defeat or makes a desperate play.

Putin knows Obama will not resort to military action. That leaves sanctions.  By leaving the president with no other alternative than to strike back or lose face maybe Putin hopes to force him into a sanctions game that Putin feels the EU will leave him stuck in:

So far, the U.S. and its allies have hung together on some limited sanctions—travel bans for Russian officials, asset freezes for Kremlin cronies and restrictions on a Kremlin-associated bank. And there seems a clear agreement among the U.S. and its European friends to move to much tougher sanctions—against all Russian banks, perhaps, or the Russian energy sector—if Russian leader Vladimir Putin takes the dramatic further step of sending tanks or planes into Ukraine.

Putin is daring him to over-extend; to tread upon the European ice, which he knows in his heart will cave in under Obama. Fighting an all out sanctions battle would force Obama to rely on the EU, which Putin calculates will abandon him. In the resulting debacle, not only would NATO be shattered, Obama would be too. Seib continues:

If non-invasion destabilization is, in fact, the Russian strategy, the question becomes: Can President Obama convince his allies that such behavior is enough for tough new sanctions? Europeans are much less enthusiastic about economic sanctions than are Americans, because they have more to lose in the process. Their economy is more tied to Russia’s, so their companies have more to lose if economic ties are cut.

They also fear retaliation, specifically a cutoff of Russian gas supplies. As Robert Kahn of the Council on Foreign Relations points out in an analysis of the sanctions question, Europe receives about 30% of its natural gas from Russia, meaning “the effect of a disruption is sizeable in the near term.”

One reason why Putin has made a special effort to humiliate the president is that his profilers may have pegged Obama as suffering from narcissistic personality disorder.  Putin the secret policeman must be thinking: how do you get a narcissist to melt down? Answer: by personally and publicly shaming him, thereby provoking a narcissistic rage.

That rage can take either of two forms: a reckless act or a withdrawal into a fantasy in which the narcissist remains invincible in some universe of his own.

Either would suit Putin.  Ironically Ronan Farrow and Obama’s supporters may be doing an unwitting service by stoking Obama’s ego thereby calming him down.  The question is whether they can flatter him enough to prevent a Putin-induced meltdown.  So far, so good, except for odd little squeals from Obama calling Russia a “regional power”. But Putin may have only begun to twist in the knife. It’s sadist versus narcissist.

Too bad it couldn’t have been between Putin and Ronald Reagan. Or Tuco and Walter White.


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So far, I'm not hearing anyone mention the brute fact that our troops and assets deployed ON THE BATTLEFIELD in Afghanyetz are vulnerable to a Russian blockade, since they are re-supplied through regions under PUTIN's control.

This is the endgame I believe ourbama has had in mind for a number of years: to strand the most professional and effective army ever fielded in a hostile nation, to either surrender to murderers, or fight their way to friendly territory through the land of the Taliban.

This is the "leader" under whose command Rules of Engagement were imposed on US combat troops that have resulted in far greater casualties than were experienced during the time of GWBUSH.

It is easy to imagine the turncoat-in-chief ordering troops in the field to lay down their arms and surrender, and even providing matériel to the government of Afghanistan with which to combat forces that refuse to surrender.

And...

As the actual military are reduced by such a situation, so greater will be the power and influence of []bama's domestic armed units - those unionized paramilitary groups such as were seen drop-kicking the fourth amendment into the garbage last year in Boston. Remember them ordering U.S. citizens to come out of their homes with hands held high, then conducting warrant-less searches of their homes and properties, after the bombing done by two terrorists which RUSSIA had PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED to U.S. authorities as possible terrorists. It would be interesting to see the oaths these people swear as they start their jobs. Do they swear to defend the Constitution, or the man?

... Or the paramilitary BLM sniper units and assault personnel deployed around the ranch of one citizen who refused to pay grazing fees imposed by an un-elected bureaucracy, answerable to the White House, not Congress.

Remember Elian Gonzales, the eleven-year-old boy whose mother drowned off the coast of Florida as she attempted to bring him to what she supposed was FREEDOM in the U.S.? President Clinton sent black-uniformed and masked paramilitary troops armed with submachine guns at 2:00 am to break into the apartment of the relatives with whom young Gonzales was staying. They forcibly took the child, and returned him posthaste to the land "governed" by the Dictator Fidel Castro.

What is a Police STATE? Look around you, folks.

When you cannot board a plane or a bus, or drive your car on the public highways without being stopped by armed uniformed personnel who demand to inspect your documents and the interior of your vehicle? Where you can be arrested and imprisoned for defending yourself with a firearm against an armed intruder breaking into your home? When drug smugglers and other criminals cross our borders and murder and prey on citizens, only to be set FREE by our own government, to commit more crimes against citizens? When you cannot put cash into your account, or withdraw cash above some ridiculous petty amount without triggering a report and criminal investigation? When you cannot decide for yourself whether or not to purchase this or that medical insurance, or pay for a medical procedure the government says YOU MAY NOT HAVE? When the government pays bribes to citizens to have their vehicles DESTROYED in order to promote a favored automobile manufacturer over the rest? When Unionized government workers have guaranteed jobs and income paid for by taxpayers who do NOT? When illegal aliens get free medical care, free education, and welfare from the government paid by taxpaying citizens whose insurance policies are cancelled and loans and debts are NOT forgiven?

At what point does the frog realize the water has already started to boil?
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... and hope the American people don't remember the bravado and rosy predictions that preceded the invasion of Iraq. - Patrick778

Assumed truth?

Oh, but Patrick, you have such a short, one-sided memory. The rosy predictions were FAR surpassed by the actual performance of American Marines, Army soldiers, Airmen, and Sailors. It wasn't until a progressive-left controlled State Department with Colin Powell in the lead, tried to use the US military as a "Peace Corps" before the battle was won, that things went south. Did America initiate the Marshall plan while the Nazi's were still fighting us in Berlin?

I love the way the left forgets the real "lessons", while rewriting history through their dogma colored glasses .
31 weeks ago
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Any such outburst will be at the expense of challengers in America and not a foreign army. The only time Obama shows any spine whatsoever is when going up against domestic opposition. He's already demonstrated a complete willingness to use the Justice Department and Internal Revenue Service to target perceived adversaries and I expect using the NSA and certain elements of the US military for the same ends would be a very easy next step. Narcissists are masters at projection and if this administration finds itself in trouble I have no doubt it will lash out at those it hates and fears the most, its own nationals.
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this "war" ain't ours, it's the US' ego vs the Russia's ego

I wonder why the hell Ukraine is so important to the US? Logically, historically, it's important to Russia !!!

who ignified the Maidan revolts? Nuland, McCain, Brennan

Obama should leave Europe alone, and everything will turn its normal way around

Populations in western Europe don't worship such a interferrence, but our idiots leaders think they must posture their Atlantist credo

31 weeks ago
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I object to labeling Europe a "soft power superpower".

I think Pseudo-power is far more appropriate.
31 weeks ago
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Europe as a concept, yes

but not as individual nations

UK and France still have their means to interven abroad, but they have no envy to fight for the nuls ateast
31 weeks ago
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We saw how well leaving Europe alone worked in 1914 and 1939. And then we were abused when we entered those wars for being late (that is, leaving Europe alone). How many years until the frogs want us to come help out again?
31 weeks ago
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boff, in 1914 when you came, the hard work was already done, besides the american troops started to fight in august 1918, and were ruined with the spanish flu which made far more american victims than the war itself

in 1944, you came when Russia had already weakened the Nazy war apparatus

But in both cases it was because the american bankers didn't want to loose their loans

and if the US hadn't helped the Nazis to build their war apparatus with american money, and american enterprises, and organisation that promoted eugenism researches ... Germany would never have had to make war for sustaining its debts to the US

You will not have the opportunity to come againe, because you are BROKE, and the dollar isn't going to be the referrent currency anymore, there will be several with which we will be able to trade, the dollar, the euro, the rouble the remnibi, and guess who will win in this new configuration, the remnibi , the rouble because Russia and china are the main suppliers of the planet merchandises
31 weeks ago
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MC, this comment is one too far. It may qualify tin-hat brigade membership. If US help wasn't needed in 1917-18 or 1941 (not '44) we will gladly empty the graves and bring them home and never return.

Your history source appear to be agiprop driven...
31 weeks ago
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no, but they aren't from Hollywood, that's for sure
31 weeks ago
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Without the 8th AAF, there'd have been 500 more King Tiger tanks at Kursk, and the attack would not have been delayed long enough for Red Army to echelon the five or six defense rings that attrited the attack and stopped it.

A year earlier, what had saved Stalingrad at the eleventh hour was the Red Army in the far east, the Siberian troops arriving in the nick of time from a deployment against a Japanese attack that Stalin finally understood could never come, because the USN had sent IJN offensive power to the bottom at the Battle of Midway.

And all that Ami money enabling the nazis, she's talking about international commerce, an ongoing feature of international relations pretty much all the time among everybody, except in the event of war. Sheesh --that ain't the real MC.
31 weeks ago
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yes the american contribution to the war effort was great, but also the pay back from it too, each time after WW1 and after WW2, the american national debt disappeared, hey some lucrative arms trades made it
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Marie, not exactly. Ever since the Monroe doctrine in the early 19th century, US policy, in one form or another, has been intent on keeping all wars/ confilicts "over there". It IS in our best interests to keep the fighting somewhere other than the Western Hemisphere. It is almost genetic.

This sometimes makes our actions appear obtuse, even insane. Then add real insanity (Obama) and it gets very odd indeed.

All of this is to say that while you are partially correct that the US does not have a direct interest in Ukraine, we have an indirect need contain the issue as far from our shores as possible.
31 weeks ago
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Agreed. There is also the need to contain or prevent the secondary consequences of the loss of international respect and credibility. If people believe you when you say, "he's my buddy, mess with him and I'll end you," you tend to not have to fight very often. Conversely (and I think this is the point Wretchard made earlier in the comments thread), if you are not respected and you make a threat, you'll either be ignored, or the bully will call you on your threat just because, or for fun. There is something about weakness, in and of itself that seems to set off a primal human tendency to want to attack. Of course Churchill said it best with, "Appeasement invites attack."
31 weeks ago
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"Alphonse: After you monsieur.

Gaston: No, no. After you.

Alphonse: But I insist. After you.

Cambrone: Merde !"
31 weeks ago
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What did the Sadist do to the Narcissist................?

He broke his mirror.
31 weeks ago
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"...narcissistic rage...That rage can take either of two forms: a reckless act or a withdrawal into a fantasy in which the narcissist remains invincible in some universe of his own."

So far, it has been mainly fantasy/invincible. In dismissively referencing Russia as a "regional power", Barack tries to reduce Putin. Similarly with all the nonsense we've seen relative to Al Qaeda & attempts to diminish its strength and importance through language.

FWIW, this pot study seems relevant to the workings, or non workings, of the Obama brain:

"What we think we are seeing here is a very early indication of what becomes a problem later on with prolonged use," things like lack of focus and impaired judgment, said Dr. Hans Breiter, a study author."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MED_MARIJUANA_BRAIN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-04-15-17-01-20
31 weeks ago
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" Ronan Farrow has advised the president to do nothing as Russia advances.”

In psychobabble isn’t this called “enabling.” Like when families….
31 weeks ago
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I think everyone agrees America has the best, most effective, most lethal military in the world today but it takes more than that to win a global war. It takes an unshakable national will and we haven't had that since WWII. It takes a common cultural belief in our ideology as a nation. The illegal immigrants will not fight for this country the way the LEGAL immigrants did in WWII. They are not Americans, they are La Raza. They will take the jobs in industry when our young men and women are on the front lines and they will replace our culture with their own. Sit down Rosie, Raul is doing the riveting now. They do NOT want to assimilate, and they won't have to when they outnumber us. We are being killed by the parasites we willingly let into our body. No nation can survive intact as a multicultural nation, it will simply splinter eventually.

Who does have a common, singular culture? Russia. China. Iran.
Who is also rattling sabers currently? See above.
31 weeks ago
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So far, I'm not hearing anyone mention the brute fact that our troops and assets deployed ON THE BATTLEFIELD in Afghanyetz are vulnerable to a Russian blockade, since they are re-supplied through regions under PUTIN's control.

This is the endgame I believe ourbama has had in mind for a number of years: to strand the most professional and effective army ever fielded in a hostile nation, to either surrender to murderers, or fight their way to friendly territory through the land of the Taliban.

This is the "leader" under whose command Rules of Engagement were imposed on US combat troops that have resulted in far greater casualties than were experienced during the time of GWBUSH.

It is easy to imagine the turncoat-in-chief ordering troops in the field to lay down their arms and surrender, and even providing matériel to the government of Afghanistan with which to combat forces that refuse to surrender.

And...

As the actual military are reduced by such a situation, so greater will be the power and influence of []bama's domestic armed units - those unionized paramilitary groups such as were seen drop-kicking the fourth amendment into the garbage last year in Boston. Remember them ordering U.S. citizens to come out of their homes with hands held high, then conducting warrant-less searches of their homes and properties, after the bombing done by two terrorists which RUSSIA had PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED to U.S. authorities as possible terrorists. It would be interesting to see the oaths these people swear as they start their jobs. Do they swear to defend the Constitution, or the man?

... Or the paramilitary BLM sniper units and assault personnel deployed around the ranch of one citizen who refused to pay grazing fees imposed by an un-elected bureaucracy, answerable to the White House, not Congress.

Remember Elian Gonzales, the eleven-year-old boy whose mother drowned off the coast of Florida as she attempted to bring him to what she supposed was FREEDOM in the U.S.? President Clinton sent black-uniformed and masked paramilitary troops armed with submachine guns at 2:00 am to break into the apartment of the relatives with whom young Gonzales was staying. They forcibly took the child, and returned him posthaste to the land "governed" by the Dictator Fidel Castro.

What is a Police STATE? Look around you, folks.

When you cannot board a plane or a bus, or drive your car on the public highways without being stopped by armed uniformed personnel who demand to inspect your documents and the interior of your vehicle? Where you can be arrested and imprisoned for defending yourself with a firearm against an armed intruder breaking into your home? When drug smugglers and other criminals cross our borders and murder and prey on citizens, only to be set FREE by our own government, to commit more crimes against citizens? When you cannot put cash into your account, or withdraw cash above some ridiculous petty amount without triggering a report and criminal investigation? When you cannot decide for yourself whether or not to purchase this or that medical insurance, or pay for a medical procedure the government says YOU MAY NOT HAVE? When the government pays bribes to citizens to have their vehicles DESTROYED in order to promote a favored automobile manufacturer over the rest? When Unionized government workers have guaranteed jobs and income paid for by taxpayers who do NOT? When illegal aliens get free medical care, free education, and welfare from the government paid by taxpaying citizens whose insurance policies are cancelled and loans and debts are NOT forgiven?

At what point does the frog realize the water has already started to boil?
31 weeks ago
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design, would account for our lingering there in Afghanistan, year after year, training the Afghan police force/army. Meanwhile, ABC announced the other day that heroin addiction in USA has ''doubled in the last five years''. Someone ain't watching the taliban farmers very well the last five years.

But i'm relieved that Ollie North smiles when he jokes that the Boston Mafia is in command of the army over there --tho i'm afraid he means the Donilon/Brennan/Power/Panetta/Kerry, oh heck it goes on forever, clique has control of senior command. Lord only knows what fiendish design those guys have cooking.
31 weeks ago
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Nice rant.

But what really grates for me is that the supposed opposition to all this- the republican party- has had precious little complaint to make against what you describe. In fact I often suspect that the objections they do raise are carefully chosen to be ineffective.

I remember a cover of the Weekly Standard- a US conservative political magazine, for people who've never heard of it- that had an armed "police officer" in what appeared to be full body armor pointing a gun at the head of Elian Gonzales. I recall seeing coverage of that story on CNN- about how wonderful it was that Elian was going to be reunited with his dad in Cuba, while footage played on the screen of his dad visiting America.

Elian's dad was being followed into a building by a guy who looked to be a foot taller than him. Gee, I wonder why that was.

Then Bush was elected and- crickets. I recall that the departing Clinton people had chiseled all the Ws off various White House computers, supposedly costing thousands of dollars. Bush reaction? More crickets, plus cover for the vandals.

I tend to believe in a sort of "broken windows" theory of politics. That is, if you let your rivals get away with small things- like vandalism- then you'll let them get away with other, larger things- like claiming you made up the justification for the Iraq War.

End result- Bush failed. We are still stewing in the consequences of his failure.
31 weeks ago
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The White House says it supports the offensive against separatists in the country's eastern provinces, which began Tuesday 25 miles north of Slovyansk and could expand to 10 cities throughout the region

The White House said Tuesday it supports military action taken on Tuesday by the interim government of Ukraine against separatist militants across the eastern part of the country. ...

U.S. officials say there are no current plans to provide weapons to Ukraine, The Wall Street Journal reports. Officials estimate there are roughly 50,000 Russian forces deployed to the country’s border with eastern Ukraine.

http://time.com/63886/obama-endorses-ukraines-eastern-offensive/

I think an endorsement without muscle behind it is worse than saying nothing at all. Putin now has a plausible reason for saying 'Obama internationalized it'.
31 weeks ago
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NYT headlines: Ukraine military displays their nuclear inventory. As do the other now not-so-"nulls." Along with their own mutual (annihilation) treaty. "Make our day, a free people are always willing and able to sacrifice more than the enslaved when freedom is at stake." "Looks like French weapons to me" writes the reporter staring at the words stenciled over Hebrew lettering. The West points at the abrogation of the 1990s de-nuclearization understanding (believed to be a treaty by some), offering that we'll de-escalate when you do, including you dealing with Syria and Iran as the penance to be paid to be readmitted to the civilized world. Call us when you've got this done. On second thought, don't bother to call us, we'll talk to you next decade.
31 weeks ago
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There are very large PR benefits to Putin every time Obama attacks Americans. Obama sends 200 Unionized Public Sector Workers to mount an armed siege of a Nevada Ranch. That story and those images go as endless news flashes all around the world. Conclusion abroad - America is a Police State. Even the Russians don't do that to their own people (the story goes).

How Putin must laugh as he himself lays siege to the Ukraine. Compared to Obama he is the good guy - Putin only besieges foreigners who (according to Putin Propagandski) abuse his ethnic Russian brothers and sisters..

Obama is so perfect at screwing up they should give him a Nobel Prize, or something.



31 weeks ago
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"Obama is so perfect at screwing up they should give him a Nobel Prize, or something"

If he doesn't have the Order of Lenin already, there is no justice.
31 weeks ago
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Questions :

After the Et Tu Brute knifing the toddler in the WH administered to Poland on 9-01-09, Poland and several other Eastern Eu countries decided to form some of the NATO-permitted semi autonomous forces. How many followed through and what is their status ?

Merkel is still the one person with enough impact to swing events. Germany faces some important constitutional problems which may prevent any EU economic resurgence. Without German funding, and continued US props, EU falls. Merkel holds a formidable pile of chips. If EU/NATO will not stop Putin, it will be time to pull the plug on any more US economic support.

Both RR and GWB used presidential authorities and agreements to slam energy prices into the basement. US being now the largest energy producer=big stick.

Is it still possible to scrape up enough military force from the eastern Eu countries to stop an invasion ?

Does Poland have another Pilsudski, and enough military to affect Russian decisions ?
31 weeks ago
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"After the Et Tu Brute knifing the toddler in the WH administered to Poland on 9-01-09"

9-01-39, 70 years to the date, Red Army invadeed Poland under the Hitler/Stalin treaty.

This could be coincidence but knowing how the secret cabals love to speak to each other in symbols, i really doubt it.
31 weeks ago
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don't dream, Merkel doesn't want to harm the German manufacturers, she is talking, but will do nothing, like the southern European youth is experimenting these days too, there's no money to make them learn german language and train in Germany
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