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September 22nd, 2013 - 4:32 pm

NBC news says that the FBI is investigating “whether as many as five Americans were among the small team of terrorists who took over a Kenyan mall and launched a bloodbath that has left at least 68 dead and 175 injured over two days of carnage.”

The investigation is in its early stages and until a conclusion of the siege in Kenya — which spilled into a second bloody day on Sunday — authorities may not know for sure whether any U.S. residents were involved.

The notion that Americans were involved came directly from the terrorists themselves — or at least a Twitter feed purporting to represent the Somali al-Qaeda affiliate al-Shabab, which has claimed responsibility for the mall attack.

Earlier, Bridget Johnson of PJMedia wrote that “Al-Shabaab is claiming that there are American gunmen among those still holed up in the Westgate mall in a standoff with Kenyan and Israeli special forces.” Only 3 alleged Americans were named in the PJMedia article.

However, there were indications that the US government was aware of the possibility its citizens might be involved. CNN quoted Congressman Peter King as saying there were as many as 50 American citizens in the al-Shabaab.

“We know there’s probably still 15 to 20 Somali-Americans who are still active over there.”

“The concern would be if any of those have come back to the United States and would use those abilities here in the United States,” he continued.

The Justice Department believes al-Shabaab has made recruiting efforts inside mosques in Somali-American communities in cities such as Minneapolis and San Diego

According to sources which are still unconfirmed, “the attackers all between the age of 20 and 27 years old, are from numerous countries, including the US, UK, Canada, Sweden, Finland, Syria and Russia and where all trained in Somalia.” In fact, of the purported list of assailants, only a minority are actually from Somalia or Kenya, the rest being ‘internationals’.

Earlier the Chicago Tribune reported a statement by President Obama reiterating “U.S. support for Kenya’s efforts to bring the perpetrators of the attack to justice.”  This may have been in anticipation of the legal fallout from a possible capture of Americans. The Nairobi mall is now largely in the hands of Kenyan government security forces. If any of the assailants are taken alive, some of them may ask for consular protection.

Minnesota Public Radio reported last May on “Operation Rhino” — “a sweeping investigation of al-Shabab recruitment in the United States. Since 2007, about two dozen young Twin Cities men are believed to have left for Somalia to join the group as fighters”. However, “Federal prosecutors say they found no evidence that the al-Shabab recruits were planning any attacks in the U.S.”

Also observing the courtroom proceedings was Hassan Mohamud, a St. Paul imam who served as a spokesman for the families and the Somali community. Somalis are concerned about how the sentences look to members of the broader community, he said.

“Whatever outcome — these cases starting from today and the next couple days — whatever outcome they see, that doesn’t reflect, number one, on the faith of the Muslim community or the faith of the Somali community,” Mohamud said.

The products of the Minneapolis mosques proved real hardcore. The DOJ’s Operation Rhino site lists some of their adventures.

Shirwa Ahmed drove an explosive laden Toyota truck into an office of the Puntland Intelligence Service in Bossasso, Puntland; other targets included a second Puntland Intelligence Service Office in Bossasso, and the Presidential Palace, United Nations Development Program office, and Ethiopian Trade Mission in Hargeisa. …

On May 30, 2011, Farah Mohamed Beledi, one of the October 2009 travelers, was shot and killed by TFG troops as he attempted to enter their base in Mogadishu while wearing a vest containing explosives. The vest worn by one of Beledi’s cohorts did explode, killing a person at the checkpoint.

If they do come back, their misguided activities will potentially reignite the debate over gun laws as they collide with the administration’s new initiative to restrict gun ownership. “President Obama called Sunday for a ‘transformation’ of the nation’s gun laws, saying last week’s deadly shooting at the Washington Navy Yard echoes too many other killings across the United States.”

The Daily Mail is now reporting that at least one of the attackers — perhaps even the leader — in Nairobi is British.  If it turns out that some of the others are from the US it suggests that multiculturalism, as understood by the Left, has been a complete and utter failure. Barack Obama demonstrated his comprehensive misunderstanding of multiculturalism in the book Audacity of Hope when he wrote:

In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

But leaving aside the fact that the Japanese Americans were interned by Franklin Roosevelt, a man Obama likens himself to, the most obvious difference in his flawed comparison is that the Nisei volunteered in droves to fight for America in the most gallant fashion conceivable. They went abroad to fight for America, and not against it, which is what makes the facile comparison so grotesque.

But as the Nairobi mall incident demonstrates there’s already a lot of water under the bridge. What now? What now?

Excerpt from Stephen Hunter’s Soft Target.

The bullet hit Santa Claus beneath the left eye. It shattered his skull, blew a large exit wound from the rear of that vessel, and drove a bright red spatter pattern across the pale satin of his throne like some sort of twisted abstract painting. Worse still, the ballistic energy unleashed an upper-body spasm that shook his hat comically askew, and it slipped off his face and caught on his ear and hung there like a large red sock.The four-year-old girl sitting in his lap stared not so much in horror but in fascination. She understood that this was “different” but had no larger context against which to compare it. She had no acquaintance yet with the concept of horror and the human fear of seeing the body’s vaults penetrated and eviscerated, but she picked up immediately on the appropriate response from her mother, who grabbed her and started screaming as the hundreds of others clustered around Santa’s throne began to do the same. …

Phil, the commander of the afternoon watch for America, the Mall, looked and saw chaos, speed, blur and panic into a plague of indistinct animal movement on the monitor marked nine … by the crazed magic of closed circuit security television he could watch the panic spread … the horror bled from monitor to monitor across the vast security views … “I’m getting shooters in the Mall … people down and bleeding … it was their ultimate nightmare the one everyone said would never come.”

The day everyone said would never come.


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If the majority of the al-Shabaab attackers came from American, British or European Islamic communities it will speak volumes for the virulence of these multicultural petrie dishes. The good thing about living in the third world, and presumably for Muslims living among themselves, is that they can see both the weaknesses and strengths of their religion.

On the other hand, Muslims in the West have no such contact with a reality check. They are fed a diet of pure unadulterated fantasy in universities whose faculty have departed this galaxy long ago. There is no hater like the product our proud progressive culture. Pity the Africans who had to endure the BS outcome of the great Western liberal experiment.
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There is a softer alternative, one involving energy independence and a revival of cultural self-confidence, including intellectual warfare. It would be the equivalent of the decades long containment policy started by Harry Truman who decided he could wait Communism out; it would fall of its own accord.

But such an approach would be opposed tooth and claw by the Greens and the multiculturalists, to whom both are anathema. If I had to choose between the door of war and containment, containment looks like a good first try.
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It's been 12 years since 9/11 - a dozen years! The USA has been dealing with Muslim inspired terrorists for over 40 years. At what point do ordinary American's start thinking about revenge, or even their own survival?

We have a deeply ingrained tradition of religious freedom, but when a religion is committed to a violent, totalitarian dogma which would eliminate that constitutional protection for non-participates to that religion, is it a religion or is it now a parasitic military-political system? Can America continue to exist as a free country if we allow those committed to ending that freedom to live, worship, and work side by side with us?

I've recently developed a very dark attitude towards Muslims and their enablers, not based on their religion, but based on their almost universally aggressive, anti-Christian, and anti-freedom philosophy. It is not in my nature to hate or long-remember slights. Like most American's, I just want to go about living my life, providing for my family, and worshiping my Lord. However, the majority of Muslims want nothing more in life but to kill me, my family, and my fellow American's. It's their passion; death si their joy. There ARE NO Muslims in the world who will condemn or act against the majority-Muslim view of Jihad against non-Muslims, and I do not trust a word said by the few "moderate" sounding Muslims. All Muslims are as guilty as the trigger pullers and scimitar wielding beheaders. I know for a fact that I'll never know another day's peace until the Muslims are beaten down, and sent back to the seventh-century holes from which they've spawned.

Islam is the enemy of peace and freedom, and it's followers are the murderous allies of Satan himself. Someone at some point will take extra-national action of revenge against Muslims - it's just got to happen. When the US government refuses to call the enemy the enemy, when they play word games about Islam, and then use US tax dollars and military assets to support the enemy, Americans will have no confidence in their peace or security.

It takes a lot to push Americans over the edge, but the past dozen years of war and the impotent government of the past five years, could do it. All that is required is a catalyst that hits middle America, a catalyst that snaps Americans awake. The threat has mostly been "somewhere over there" for a dozen years, and the few American kids who've fought, were injured, and/or died to confront that threat, represent but a tiny fraction of American kids, and touch very few families. However, when malls, cities, towns, ports, airports, schools, and churches in America are torched by the Muslims and citizens die, the US government will be unable to control the reaction. When the usual suspects then invoke American justice against revenge seeking Americans, it'll rip America apart.

Revenge against Muslims just has to happen at some point. It's going to get ugly, and I'm not sure that America will be quite the same after this next phase of the battle. Win, lose, or draw, fighting the evil of Islam will leave it's mark on America.
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To wit, regarding my prior post on "revenge":

"Hateful mob attacks Sikh who says he was mistaken for a radical Muslim"

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mob-attacks-sikh-mistaken-radical-muslim-article-1.1464357#ixzz2fkUb2dGi
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‘They’ believe in barbarous, destructive things and ‘we’ believe in anything. Without a second-coming, we’ll tolerate ourselves right out of existence.
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''Tolerance is the final virtue of a dying culture'' one of the old Hellenes said --Aristotle iirc.
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Let us presume something like this happens in the US. The response of the rest of the malls would likely be to double the number of "gun-free zone" signs.
Virginia Tech ramped up their gun-free status following the mass shooting there, and one official burbled about how much more safe everybody would feel.
At some point, when we see a supposedly competent adult--got the job, shaves without cutting his own throat, doesn't need velcro closures on his shoes--say things like this, the idea of mental fault simply does not compute. Nobody's that stupid. It has to be deliberate. But why?
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Why?

The deepest answer as usual is going to come from the human soul and as such is instantly framed as 'reductio', so as such is best entered through the visible signs. Here is a story about one such:

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/origins-of-a-killer-state
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The very first Foreign Military engagement authorized by Congress was against Islam! (Barbary Coast Pirates) many of the First Military Naval ships where built to combat Islam and its Evil Slaving trade and pirating of American Merchant Goods! Americans have been directly and indirectly Fighting Islam since her birth! It is “Islam” that wants to rule the world, Islam is what must be destroyed, wiped from existence! All who wish to be Musslemen (Muslim) must be eliminated, Islam cannot be “Moderate” for its own verses say so, Islam cannot be trusted, Islam’s own verses say so! Islam is a fight to the death… Islam has no scruples and ANYTHING goes, non Musslemen (Muslims) are not even considered “Human’s” to Musslemen (Muslims) but simply property to take if they (Musslemen) have the strength to do so.
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Yep, and in response to that threat, the USA allied with locals, helped to create a local ,and essentially started a civil war in the Barbary Pirates' territory.

We have been at this for a very long time.
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That should be "helped to create a local army"

And the principle "Millions for defense but not one red cent for tribute" came out of that war. We have now reversed that idea.
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"they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II"

Maybe Roosevelt DID learn the right lesson. What if, as a hypothetical, the Japanese-Americans had NOT been interned, and a small handful of them had successfully carried out mass killing attacks on American soil? The WW2 and post WW2 experience of Japanese-Americans might have been very, very different. To say that Roosevelt unequivocally did the wrong thing is pure revisionism.

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The problem is, if you keep backing away from the 'what ifs?', you back right into the Reichstag Fire and will have to moot that security question until you get out of the burn ward, if you ever do, which is ever less likely, given progress.
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In fact, the Japanese internment was in response to an incident on one of the more remote Hawaiian Islands following the Pearl Harbor attack. A Japanese Zero crash landed on the island and the pilot enlisted the aid of a Japanese-American as well as a Japanese immigrant, They took the guns out of the Zero and tried to take control of the island, awaiting a IJN landing force - IJN pilots had been told to head for that island if they were unable to make it back to the carriers.

As for the Internment - it only applied to the West Coast of the USA, not the rest of the country, and Japanese could avoid going to places like Manzanar simply by moving east and taking up new lives - such as the Nisei troops did.
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Four explosions at the Kenyan mall, pillars of smoke. Doesn't sound good.
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Confusion now, reports of a gunbattle inside the mall. But who knows?
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It's a fire all right, and visible for miles. Something blew up good.
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Looks like the Mall's on fire. Worst case scenario is that al-Shabaab blew their demolition charges. It does not look controlled, and that will mean both the perps and the hostages are now toast.
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People, we are not powerless in this game; we haven't begun to fight; what happened to satire and mockery? A good beginning here (pardon the plug but I think it's apt to the topic):

http://dexquire.com/



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Per W "There is a softer alternative, one involving energy independence and a revival of cultural self-confidence, including intellectual warfare. "

In some ways W I believe 'softer' is a punt. It needs to be an 'In your face' PsyOp/ AgiProp, with muscle operation.

One of the features of Islam is its internal system of preventing change. Heresy and apostasy are quickly and completely expunged. External criticism is rason de guerre.

Further, Islamic economic thought is best described as brigandage and rent seeking. There is a constant need for productive non-muslims to be plundered. Stopping oil revenues tomorrow will still give them about 100 more years while they burn off there western investments. And this time they are spread about a wider area, seething, resenting, hating and definitely not assimilating.

Islam must be so marginalized that it cannot reemerge as a force.

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Hmmm, so you're saying that the Muslims are the equivalent of the Star Trek "Borg". I'm good with that. "You will be assimilated .." and "You will submit ..", about the same.

(Of course, Muslim's are the anti-science non-producers, and the Borg were the great replicators, so no analogy is perfect.)
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typos y'all. Meds smoother tonight.
47 weeks ago
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If the majority of the al-Shabaab attackers came from American, British or European Islamic communities it will speak volumes for the virulence of these multicultural petrie dishes. The good thing about living in the third world, and presumably for Muslims living among themselves, is that they can see both the weaknesses and strengths of their religion.

On the other hand, Muslims in the West have no such contact with a reality check. They are fed a diet of pure unadulterated fantasy in universities whose faculty have departed this galaxy long ago. There is no hater like the product our proud progressive culture. Pity the Africans who had to endure the BS outcome of the great Western liberal experiment.
47 weeks ago
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I saw in the Australian the other day that a Brisbane Muslim man is believed to be the first Australian to have been a suicide bomber in Syria. We are clearly entering a new phase in 'The Long War' where 'Western internationals,' become a major factor in the war. They are the spawn of multiculturalism to be sure but also of what I think of as the New Orientalism, where mass murderers are seen as victims. Edward Said's idea of Orientalism spoke correctly about how the West demonstrated its massive ignorance of the Muslim world by projecting all kinds of nonsense on it. The New Orientalism is also a massive projection by Westerners of positive traits on the worst of Muslims. I believe it is driven by fear - the natural reaction to being subjected to terror. As Wretchard points out these new Western terrorists are also deluded. They are as caught up in projecting all evil on the West as westerners are in projecting goodness on a bunch of thugs.
47 weeks ago
47 weeks ago Link To Comment
It's been 12 years since 9/11 - a dozen years! The USA has been dealing with Muslim inspired terrorists for over 40 years. At what point do ordinary American's start thinking about revenge, or even their own survival?

We have a deeply ingrained tradition of religious freedom, but when a religion is committed to a violent, totalitarian dogma which would eliminate that constitutional protection for non-participates to that religion, is it a religion or is it now a parasitic military-political system? Can America continue to exist as a free country if we allow those committed to ending that freedom to live, worship, and work side by side with us?

I've recently developed a very dark attitude towards Muslims and their enablers, not based on their religion, but based on their almost universally aggressive, anti-Christian, and anti-freedom philosophy. It is not in my nature to hate or long-remember slights. Like most American's, I just want to go about living my life, providing for my family, and worshiping my Lord. However, the majority of Muslims want nothing more in life but to kill me, my family, and my fellow American's. It's their passion; death si their joy. There ARE NO Muslims in the world who will condemn or act against the majority-Muslim view of Jihad against non-Muslims, and I do not trust a word said by the few "moderate" sounding Muslims. All Muslims are as guilty as the trigger pullers and scimitar wielding beheaders. I know for a fact that I'll never know another day's peace until the Muslims are beaten down, and sent back to the seventh-century holes from which they've spawned.

Islam is the enemy of peace and freedom, and it's followers are the murderous allies of Satan himself. Someone at some point will take extra-national action of revenge against Muslims - it's just got to happen. When the US government refuses to call the enemy the enemy, when they play word games about Islam, and then use US tax dollars and military assets to support the enemy, Americans will have no confidence in their peace or security.

It takes a lot to push Americans over the edge, but the past dozen years of war and the impotent government of the past five years, could do it. All that is required is a catalyst that hits middle America, a catalyst that snaps Americans awake. The threat has mostly been "somewhere over there" for a dozen years, and the few American kids who've fought, were injured, and/or died to confront that threat, represent but a tiny fraction of American kids, and touch very few families. However, when malls, cities, towns, ports, airports, schools, and churches in America are torched by the Muslims and citizens die, the US government will be unable to control the reaction. When the usual suspects then invoke American justice against revenge seeking Americans, it'll rip America apart.

Revenge against Muslims just has to happen at some point. It's going to get ugly, and I'm not sure that America will be quite the same after this next phase of the battle. Win, lose, or draw, fighting the evil of Islam will leave it's mark on America.
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I agree. The jihadis will keep at it until they get the Jacksonian reaction.
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"The USA has been dealing with Muslim inspired terrorists for over 40 years."

ITYM "nearly 240 years".

47 weeks ago
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"Live Free, Die Hard" is a way of life for a vanguard known as Bikers.
That is where we are already seeing some pushback against the muslim surge.
It shouldn't be long that we'll see them going on the offensive.
Even without Big Money to kickstart the Revolt.
47 weeks ago
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We also need to get off the imported oil and drill at home to dry up the Saudi influence.
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