Can’t We Just Get Along?
The IMF has approved a $4.8 billion loan to Egypt, giving it a seal of approval expected to trigger the release of other aid monies. “As well as boosting investor confidence, the IMF deal is expected to trigger more aid and concessionary finance.”
“The authorities’ program will be supported by a financing package of $14.5 billion in loans and deposits on favorable terms from a range of bilateral and multilateral partners, including the IMF,” the Fund’s Bauer said in a statement.
He did not give a breakdown, but Qatar and Saudi Arabia have already provided support and pledged more. The European Union and the United States have also pledged funds.
In other news, “US President Barack Obama thanked his Egyptian counterpart Mohamed Morsi on Wednesday for his role is negotiating a planned truce between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza.”
The Guardian also reports that “Barack Obama heaped praise on Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu for agreeing to the Egyptian ceasefire plan and offered increased US funding to beef up Israel’s air defence batteries.”
The aid for Egypt comes at a particularly welcome time. It’s foreign exchange are only half of what they used to be.
Years of Lean
It is unclear how well Hamas will do in the transaction. The Palestinian authority is the recipient of $147 million in funding from the Obama administration, which also gave $1.5 billion to Egypt before the current crisis began.
In what seems like a counterintuitive result, oil prices rose on news of a ceasefire, reflecting the possibility that economic demand will be higher given peace in the Middle East than without it.
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The time honored art of ‘the shakedown’
Its only paper anyways… Wonder what China tought of Timmy the Tax Cheats comment about there not being a limit on printing any more?
When I saw on TV that Morsi was negociating a truce, I said to my hubb, that he must expect good money for that
And … how exactly is it that Egypt is going to repay that so-called loan? By selling the rubble that’s left after they tear down the pyramids?
You really think peace has broken out in the middle east. Obama tilts to the Brothers, Israel is stymied and soon to face them on three fronts with the fall of Assad, the Saudis are left in the cold, Iran moves ahead. If you are trading oil on the futures market, that is putting your money on the line, the come line sure ain’t peace.
According to this source
http://www.eia.gov/cabs/OPEC_Revenues/Factsheet.html
Saudi Arabia earns about $850,000,000 a day from petroleum. Can’t they afford this $4.8 billion themselves?
Rob #5:
Ding ding ding ding! On the nose.
Whatever this portends, it’s not peace. Egypt is running interference for Iran-backed Hamas, and being paid for it handsomely by the U.S. (who must needs have the Fed print the money to do so). There’s no reason to sell oil today.
Well, other than the dismal retail outlook.
Re. “In what seems like a counterintuitive result, oil prices rose on news of a ceasefire, reflecting the possibility that economic demand will be higher given peace in the Middle East than without it.”
I read it rather as an uncertainty risk premium.
For $20 billion Egypt will broker a cease fire between Hamas and Israel?
For that kind of money we could have gotten Egypt to annex the Gaza strip, destroy Hamas and impose the kind of security the President and SecState can only dream about.
Schmucks!
Speaking about futures, what are the odds those Iranian missiles still get to Gaza via the Sinai Peninsula?
And bigger missiles to boot.
File under: All in a day’s work.
Re. # 9. hammaknocka
“For that kind of money we could have gotten Egypt to annex the Gaza strip, destroy Hamas and impose the kind of security the President and SecState can only dream about.”
They should have, not could have. If only it was pres. goal…
The usual thoughts about Danegeld and wondering how much of that “aid” money will actually be used to feed people. I’d go long on the luxury car market in Egypt and banks that still have “secret” accounts. Watch those puppies turn it into gold also.
Everybody remembers “food of oil”?
2- It’s good news for the Heg-e-Mao… a chance to retry stuff without his vicious, meddling wife.
13. grrr
Everybody remembers “food of oil”?
Very few people seem to remember, the Gulf War, Oil for Food, oil for fools or Al Gore’s rant on Iraq, Terrorism and Weapons of Mass Destruction.
THE VIEW FROM EGYPT
We thank you for the IMF
Unfortunate Hamas is deaf
But we will do our best to keep the peace
A billion here a billion there
We tell Hamas sit in a chair
Until we say that the cease fire cease
Our rockets now hit Tel Aviv
And soon all of Israeli grieve
For now we have cease fire put in place
But soon as all money’s collect
Is then a date we will select
And kill all Jews with Allah’s fulsome grace
And then all Arabs will rejoice
And dance and sing with happy voice
The Jew is dead and Allah weeps for joy
The day will come and coming soon
Perhaps today, another moon
The Jew will die each woman man and boy
THE VIEW FROM ISRAEL
Of Morsi’s ploy we’re well aware
Hamas will not sit in a chair
Cease fires last a day or two at most
And then the rockets fly again
And when that happens we will then
See to it that Hamas is turned to toast
The world we know and understand
Insists we give the Arabs land
And after that the peace will surely reign
But we know better and it’s clear
The world at large has much to fear
For when we’ve had enough we’ll inflict pain
Not just Hamas but Riyadh too
And Teheran to name a few
And when it comes there’s no one gets a pass
Iran prepares to kill us all
But when we choose to make the call
We’ll shove their false cease fires up their ass
Agree wholeheartedly with the view this is the classic shakedown. Barak and Hillary must feel brilliant!
I guess Huma hasn’t explained HUDNA to Hil!
m out.
From the NYT, Egypt is in a bad way.
That’s all very well and good. But what happens when Egypt runs through the money? Unless of course these cash infusions instill the kind of entrepreneurial spirit we haven’t seen before and they don’t need any more?
The rest of the region isn’t looking so good. Economic growth is only half of what it was before the ‘Arab Spring’. The IMF hopes it will recover to near pre-Arab Spring levels:
If it doesn’t then in a few months the well will be dry and thoughts will turn to ways or raising more money.
If it doesn’t then in a few months the well will be dry and thoughts will turn to ways or raising more money.
Cease Fire II!
Granting that Israel is not listening to the more bloody minded of us here, but from my admittedly a) prejudiced, and b) apparently wrong point of view:
1.) Just to say it, this is not peace. At best it is a short break before hostilities resume, worse.
2.) I will be surprised if it does not work out that HAMAS keeps shooting at a reduced but constant rate, while Israel will be expected not to retaliate in order to “preserve the peace process”.
3.) Having been bitten again by the US, and under what looks like a multi-front attack, I hope that restraint is removed from their strategic vocabulary, at least for a while. Since conventional warfare has failed to deal with the expanding threat, the Third Conjecture makes more sense.
4.) The money from the IMF and other sources is surely from our Federal Reserve.
Subotai Bahadur
“Even after the ceasefire came into force late on Wednesday, a dozen rockets from the Gaza Strip landed in Israel, all in open areas, a police spokesman said. In Gaza, witnesses reported an explosion shortly after the truce took effect at 9 p.m (1900 GMT), but there were no casualties and the cause was unclear.”
Source:
http://news.yahoo.com/gaza-shakes-israelis-killed-clinton-seeks-truce-001606371.html
“But what happens when Egypt runs through the money?”
Morsi being the enterprising type might offer to the organize the Jihad into a labor union along the lines of the SEIU. They are in effect the same business it is only their methods that differ.
“The IMF forecast total gross domestic product in the five countries would expand by 3.6 percent next year, accelerating from an estimated 2.0 percent this year…”
Wow, it sounds like Egypt is really on the verge of taking off in the global economy. Why not send them bag loads of funny money and maybe, just maybe, they can help prop up the US economy when the time comes. And what could possibly go wrong? Egypt has a solid reputation of being bought and staying bought. There’s a better than even chance that they will embrace peace in our time.
If the Wan can successfully pitch money to Cairo, Egypt — then Cairo, Illinois should be a snap.
Right around the corner: Uncle Barry will bail out Sacramento, Albany and all points in between.
BTW, this particular bail out will cause supermarket prices to vault yet again.
Barry is placing the MENA on the Federal dole, opening up our borders — and sniping at AQ.
The MB were in a bad way, – now we know how their Muslim Brother Buraq will fund them.
What conditions go with this loan? Could the MB buy military hardware with it? $4.8 bil seems like it could buy some pretty deadly stuff. We are talking the MB here.
What happens when in a few days this truce goes to sheeeet? Then what? Another shakedown?
Israel needs to hit harder and faster next time so there is nothing left to fight over.
Does anyone know whether it is necessary for Congress to approve billion$ of gifts to Egypt and Hamas? Is this “budgeted”, or do 0bama/hillary just write a check that Americans have to pay? I thought I recalled that congress was considering refusing to give money to Egypt under MB control?
There are 90,000,000 Egyptians. If they don’t create wealth then they simply consume whatever falls into their grasp. $4 billion or even $20 billion is not going to make a difference if it goes to consumption graft and kickbacks, and it will. In the case of Egypt we needn’t worry that it might be wasted on anything dangerous. Every dime will vanish like water poured into the desert sands. Every dime that is except those spent on speaker’s fees for retired politicians.
Doing the math for GDP per capita using PPP the $4-20 billion for Egypt is roughly the equivalent of $1.5-7.5 billion for Israel. Jerusalem should demand its cut of the Obamabucks. Israel could use the money for a couple of more submarines.
The Egyptians should attend a conference on fiscal governance. Greece has some lovely facilities and world class experts but the proper venue would be McCormick Place in Chicago.
Add to the list of campaign slogans unused in 2012, “Not one thin dime. Not a plugged nickel.”
I saw a remarkable exchange on Fox News this afternoon.
One expert, a guy with a British accent, was saying that the situation in the ME and Gaza was ripe with opportunity, with the Moslem Brotherhood now the most pro-U.S. group in the area, and with staunch U.S. allies such as Qatar and Saudi Arabia lending support to the very effective use of U.S. Soft Power to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
The other guy, without a British accent, was saying that the “Arab Spring” had installed governments hostile to the very existence of Israel and that countries such as Qatar and Saudi Arabia were not in a position to do anything about the situation.
Disagreements are not uncommon on such news shows but I don’t think I have ever heard two people that far apart who were not opposing politicians. One was saying the Sun rises in the East and the other was saying that no, it rises in the Southwest.
Then they went to the Fox News correspondent on the scene , Katherine Herage, who said that the Egyptian government and Hamas were all ready to agree to a cease fire but that the process had been delayed by 24 hours so to allow Hillary Clinton to arrive.
This gives one great confidence that our foreign policy is in the very best of hands….
There are many Christians in the Holy Land and many Christians were killed by Israeli munitions in the last 9 days.
The Irish IRA-until the Good Friday Agreement-had a violent militant wing that killed many innocent people.
The US-Senator Mitchell, Tony Blair, Ireland and the IRA negotiated an end to the violence and inclusion of the political wing of the IRA in the political process-the Good Friday agreement has worked for almost 20 years.
HAMAS is like the old IRA with a militant wing and a political wing-hopefully they will follow the path of the IRA and all parties in the Holy Land will end their death spiral of mutual hatred and revenge.
The clear winner in the cease fire deal was Egypt-what a surprise- Morsi is now a legitimate statesman in the eyes of the US, EU, Russia and the World.
Christians welfare must be closely monitored and protected in the Holy Land and the larger Levant moving forward.
It is time for Pope Benedict, the Orthodox,the Coptics and other Christian groups to demand their protection and for the US, EU, Russia and now Egypt to enforce the protection of Christians in the region
So it seems to me that since Oslo was signed, we gave something like 1.5 to 2 billion a year to Egypt and a bunch to Israel to buy them off so they won’t go to war with each other. In other words we bought off the two belligerents for 3-4 billion a year. Once the Mo Bro’s took charge of Egypt, they started pursuing their Islamic aims and the O administration keeps up the Chicago Way(TM) by buying Egypt (and probably Israel, too) off for a little while longer.
Nothing is going to change in Egypt but get worse. They cannot feed themselves, their tourist industry is in the tank; in short they are a basket case. Their business model severely sucks, as it totally depends on handouts.
We are buying off nations with money we do not have, accelerating our economic decline. Egypt and others are being rewarded for their bad and irresponsible behavior. The Islamists will do their dirty business again and again until they really mount a really existential attack on Israel, then the Nobel Dynamit Prize recipient will get his ME peace after ME neighbors get nuked. Way to go, O.
I find our govt pretty stupid, ideologically driven, and short sighted. Other than that, they have all the answers.
Thousands of new jobs needed!
More teachers! Better schools!
Well, to me this all sounds like the same political boilerplate that is hammered at us every election cycle by the “blank out” Party.
It would seem that even financial pressure on the New York Times is forcing them to use the same story template for the Middle East as they do for various political races. If only we could find some place where we could get all these needed teachers and new jobs. It’s puzzling, to be sure.
I think with all the slobbery love gushed forth for Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood, the next thing is to get them Illinois driver’s licenses and allow them to vote in Chicago elections.
What could go wrong?
AFP reports that “twelve rockets fired from the Gaza Strip hit Israel on Wednesday in the first hours that followed a ceasefire agreement ending hostilities in the week-long Gaza conflict, a police spokesman told AFP.”
It was never a case of if, but when Hamas was going to violate the truce. Now if Israel so much as sneezes in their direction they’ll put on a show worthy of a professional soccer player; the kind that can fall down at a moment’s notice to fake a foul and writhe in pain as if he were at death’s door. And then, when the foul on the other player is called on the basis of his shamming, the player gets up and runs off like a gazelle, none the worse for wear grinning from ear to ear. And then he does it again in the next half hour.
Basically Hamas is going to kill you from stress. From the suppressed rage of having to bear the sheer brazen effrontery of their behavior. But the fault does not lie with Hamas; they do it because they can get away with it; rather the blame lies exclusively with the chumps who keep believing them. Like the Republicans keep believing the Democrats.
You basically have to make a decision not to listen or even pretend to listen. The channel is poisoned. There’s not an ounce of truth in it any more. Why does anyone keep negotiating with Hamas? For the same reason they keep tuning into MSNBC.
The best thing one can do in that regard is simply mute the phone, like Nancy Pelosi once did when she was speaking with the President. Go watch Modern Families or something. It’s a better use of time.
Victor, tell us more about “many Christians (were) killed by Israeli munitions in the last 9 days.”
Hamas Christians, or just plain vanilla Gazan Christians, or what?
The “Good News” of Christianity
Is and was the alternative to tribal cycles of hatred and revenge in the Holy Land
In FM Lieberman there is a FM who no one wants to be seen with
-because
1/ Lieberman is a convicted child abuser-it is in the record
2/ He is a proven member of a US declared terrorist group-Kach-Kahane
2/ He is under indictment for corruption also involved- apparently with the Russian Mafia according to Israeli press reports
What is not to like?
No EU or US diplomat will talk with a convicted child abuser like Lieberman
If, poor ‘CHRISTIAN’ Victor won’t go away or be banned, the next best thing is to ignore him. No more comments from me regarding Victor.
An interesting article
Palestinian ambassador tells Israeli counterpart: Hamas must go
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2012/11/palestinian-diplomat-told-israeli.html#links
Anti-Christian Violence in Muslim World
BU prof: recent spate spotlights longtime problem
‘“Non-Muslim communities have become endangered species throughout much of the Islamic world,” Christian human rights advocate John Eibner wrote in the Boston Globe last month.
From mobs torching churches in Cairo, to massacres of Christians in Iraq and Egypt, to last winter’s assassination of a Christian Pakistani cabinet minister, and the beheading of a Tunisian Catholic priest, jihadists are committing violence in a “toxic culture of extremist Muslim supremacy,” Eibner wrote.
BU Today asked Elizabeth Prodromou, a College of Arts & Sciences assistant professor of international relations, what’s behind the uptick in anti-Christian violence taking place amid the uprisings against authoritarian regimes in the Middle East, known as the “Arab Spring”?
Prodromou is a vice chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, a watchdog panel appointed by the president and Congress to monitor religious repression globally. The commission recommends “countries of particular concern” for religious intolerance to the State Department for possible sanctions, although only one country, Eritrea, has been sanctioned in the commission’s 13-year existence. It also keeps a watch list of countries that are tipping toward oppression.’
I had a friend, a Palestinian Christian, one of our company employees, who used to live on the West Bank. He became really concerned when Hamas became big on the scene. He described them as nut cases. Once several of them came to him and said that first they will go after the Jews, then they will come for him. He decided to take his family and leave. So he did, and he and his family are contributing citizens of this state. Christians do not get a very good deal in the Palestinian controlled territories adjacent to Israel.
It was never a case of if, but when Hamas was going to violate the truce.
Sure, and their sense of both humor and honor forces them to violate the truce the moment it is declared, I think this is SOP. Israel just shrugs.
But don’t worry, Israel doesn’t value this agreement worth a feather, either, but if it gives both sides an excuse to stop the fighting today (and to extort money from the US and international community), then selah.
Israel reacts to actions, words from the Palestinians are worth nothing, they don’t have the social coherence to live up to them, some clique always wants to break them now.
Geez Louise, I think Morsi just enraged North Korea, the worlds leading exponent of foreign aid extortion. The Norks now have competition. Watch the new industry blossom as several sad sack countries start a war and then accept payment to pretend to make peace. After the first payment all they have to do is start up the war again and have the NYT publish where the IMF should send the check for the next payment.
Now, if I dump garbage on my street and demand payment from City Hall to clean it up I could make out like a bandit… Oh wait, they’ll use the law to punish me. Funny how the Arab terrorists get rewarded by our own governments for being jerks but if we act like jerks, the same governments punish us.
What’s up Doc?
Darn, they could have waited for Hillary Chamberlain to get back waving her scrap of paper and declaring peace in our time.
Hey Guys, Peace Reigns!
So why not celebrate on this Thanksgiving Day with a Peter Sellers film festival?
Start with The Mouse That Roared
Then The Pink Panther
Then Being There
And finish with Ursula Andress http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW_kMtut25M
I was thumbing through the recent National Geographic agitprop.
In its folds we see absurd photo ops and tales of woe.
No reference to Hamas, weapons or islamism, imagine that!
The photos and squibs would leave the low information reader to think that Israel does not permit food to enter Gaza.
Further, it is put out that the tunnel builders are just enterprising merchants making their way in the world.
But what’s really on point is the TIMING. Who ever worked this article up managed to synch it with the rocketry. Now that’s timing!
Nat Geo is now a tool of the islamists.
41 Blert, you nailed it! NatGeo is another fine institution taken over by leftist Water Melons (green on outside, red on inside), and Global Warmists.
National Geographic, History Channel, Discovery Channel occasionally have some good stuff on them. Now it is big foot, Nostradamus, and UFO stuff sandwiched between Alaskan State Troopers beating the crap out of dope smoking hippies, pawn shop, bike building, gold mining melodramas. Bleech.
I am getting ready to throw a 17lb bird into the oven while figuring how to finish the stuffing, two pumpkin pies, green bean casserole, mashed potatoes and gravy, candied yams, fruit salad and more after I run to the store. All for myself and my ailing mom. Everything looks like it was cooked by a derelict. I don’t know how my mom used to do it.
Happy Thanks Giving one and all!
I wonder how many “Coexist” bumper stickers you see/sell on the ME streets.
[heavy sarc]
Seems to me I bump into them (coexist or the peace sign) on every other car here in Biden’s home town.
mp @ 40: So why not celebrate on this Thanksgiving Day with a Peter Sellers film festival?
Good but find time for:
Alice’s Restaurant
… and as an alternative to “The Pink Panther”, how about “The World of Henry Orient”!
You and your chimpanzee minky.
Happy Thanksgiving All!
“National Geographic, History Channel, Discovery Channel occasionally have some good stuff on them.”
Moonshiners has to be ATF… Whale Wars was the FBI… all of National Geographic is CIA in my opinion. Let’s also mention South Park while we’re at it — debase conservatives and propagandize simultaneously. It’s brilliant.
“Now it is big foot, Nostradamus, and UFO stuff sandwiched between Alaskan State Troopers beating the crap out of dope smoking hippies,”
Not many countries can make a show out of state police arresting natives for using the vices they gave them. It takes a special sort of media to do that, one less free than anything seen on CCTV. Although, the UFO stuff may be related to that Alaska program… Someday we may all be like natives grappling with the dangers shown to us.
Josh @ 45 – Or we could also add Dr. Strangelove
But speaking of winning “hearts and minds”, who would you rather have pick a woman’s wardrobe, the Islamic religious policemen who favor burkas, or the woman herself, who might favor wearing a man’s shirt http://tinyurl.com/axwcfg8 ?
I’d put my money on the woman winning a fair election! The only faction likely to vote for the “fashion police’ would be the radical feminist bloc, led by the Three Valkyries!
Why doesn’t the West tell them to get all the money from the Saudis? They’d impose much tougher conditions than Obama or the Euroweenies. They should get nothing from us unless they strictly keep the peace with Israel, the one service Mubarak did to earn aid from us.
Happpy Thanksgiving to our host and the Belmont Clubbers. I’m declaring my intent to take this day as originally intended. May you enjoy the day!
THANKSGIVING 2012
Some time ago, Fourth of July
I thought Thanksgiving Day
Was distant so I did not try
To get out of the way
Of speeding days and speeding nights
That raced by all unseen
Then Labor Day of all the sights
And then came Hallowe’en
The days and months leapt over all
As what the heck I said
We’re at the end of one more Fall
The trees asleep, not dead
Bare branches on deciduous trees
The leaves piled up in drifts
The conifers just stay and freeze
And women think of gifts
And head out for the Christmas shops
Except, oh by the way
When wives and moms pull out the stops
On this Thanksgiving Day
Happy Thanksgiving
Walt Erickson
MP @ 45: Or we could also add Dr. Strangelove
Oops, not “Henry Orient”, I meant, “A Shot In The Dark” which came … *after* Pink Panther? Has Kato jumping Clouseau at every opportunity. So many movies came out at the same time, 1963-64, and … I need to go buy disks on all of them, I guess.
Of course “Dr. Strangelove”!
36. Alaska Paul
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There’s a larger narrative here. Read the research of historian Antony C. Sutton, or watch his video interviews on YouTube. Also, read the research of Eric Jon Phelps, or watch his video interviews on YouTube. There’s a very interesting narrative that develops when one connects the dots. It’s a narrative that I am more and more starting to seriously subscribe to.
Historian Antony C. Sutton details the sponsorship of both the Nazis and the Soviets by the Skull&Bones Secret Society. In his research, it becomes very clear that without US sponsorship (financial, technical, material, etc.) both Hitler and Stalin would be unimportant nobodies, and that the US orchestrated both WWII and the Cold War by sponsoring its supposed enemies from start to finish.
Eric Jon Phelps in his research and synthesis of other writers’ research, documents the involvement of the Vatican and the Jesuit Order in world affairs. Phelps makes it very clear that Islam was established by the Vatican/Rome as a proxy army in Rome’s war against the “Heretics” — people who refused to accept Roman Catholicism. These include: Orthodox Christians, Jews, Pagans of various creeds, and others. The Vatican/Rome gave the Jihadists money, weapons, training, propaganda, and permission to attack Roman cities and towns to genocide whole communities without the Roman Army interfering to protect these Roman citizens. (Sounds familiar? This is exactly what is happening to the Orthodox Christians and Jews wherever the US and al-CIA-da is involved. See: Iraq, Egypt, PA, Serbia, Syria, etc.)
Eric Jon Phelps also argues, and quite convincingly in my opinion, that the Commies, the Nazis, the Jihadis, were/are all Vatican controlled at the top and used by the Vatiacn to advance a false dialectic and an agenda of genocide. Phelps examines who were the main victims of WWII and other wars throughout history, and shows a consistent pattern. Namely, a persecution and genocide of “heretics”.
It’s interesting to note that the Skull&Bones Secret Society is an offshoot of the german Illuminati Order which is a Jesuit organization.
After watching the program ‘Max Keiser: Fat Cats Spy On You E251′ ( http://youtu.be/Iu156DguEIE ), I did a Google search to ascertain the demographic make-up of the richest of US counties, counties that are primarily fed by the CIA/military complex. The vast majority in all these counties are ROMAN CATHOLIC. Coincidence? I don’t believe this is a coincidence. Especially when one considers that the CIA controlls the media and the propaganda outlets always and deliberately put forward a false narative of events concerning Israel, and have a very very long history of constant and persistant focus on Israel to purposely incite the region to war.
Happy Thanksgiving all.
@Charleswhite: What will China say to Timmy wanting unlimited printing? No more dollars from you, we have enough toilet paper. We want your coastal oil drilling rights, the ones your government has NOT been issuing since the BP spill. We want all that newly snatched federal and state land and the gas and other minerals under it. We want farmland.
That’s what China will be saying. But then again, they aren’t lending much anyway. The bulk of the money the government has been “borrowing” is made by accounting trickery between the Treasury and the Fed. Basically they are already stacking up Monopoly money, but the trick won’t last too much longer. Honestly I’m surprised the whole thing hasn’t collapsed already.
If memory serves, there is nothing in the Constitution allowing the US to give money to other countries. I think it was also one of the first real Constitutional crises not long after Washington left the Presidency. One of the first Presidents tried sending money to another country and there was nearly a new revolution over it. Rightly so. Most of the countries we give money to are either hostile to us or just barely friendly as long as the money keeps flowing. And now there’s Obama who wants to make the US we welfare check provider to the world.
“Mr. Obama has also offered $375 million in financing and loan guarantees for American companies and banks that invest in Egypt and a $60 million investment fund for Egyptians to invest in new enterprises.”
Notice how some of us refuse to say President Obama – rightly so.
I’m sure American companies and banks are just lining up to invest in Egypt….
52. akmofo
I thought that you were a little over the top
but now i don’t know what to think -
against the backdrop of Hamas killing and maiming people indiscriminately and with the large number of dead in Syria –
Israel calls ahead and warns Gazans to keep away from missile launch sites. Hamas fires missiles in the vicinity of hospitals, playgrounds and schools.
The mind boggles at what hate there is in Rome as well as Hamastan.
The Vatican on Gaza: Israel is a Baby-Killer”
Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, President of the Vatican Council for Culture, commenting on the war between Israel and Hamas, delivered a severe attack on the Jewish people: “I think of the ‘massacre of the innocents’. Children are dying in Gaza, their mothers’ shouts is a perennial cry, a universal cry”.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162368#.UK7IF9ewVad
akmofo – Please, please, please tighten that tinfoil hat.
The idea that the Vatican controlled the Nazis, the Communists, and/or the Jihadists has got to be one of the silliest things going.
I hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving, btw.
This forum is being hijacked by morons.
So we give billions to both sides of the Israeli-Muslim war. Even better we launder half of the money through bankers that no doubt take their cut no matter if the money is repaid or not.
Sounds great for everybody but us.
“Can we just get along?”
No, we cannot just get along. Life has been too easy for most of us in the west and our wealth has led to corruption and dissipation. With frontiers, there are avenues for the vigorous, the impatient and the adventuresome to escape the stultification and stagnation of the endless queues forced upon us by our betters.
So here we are with our 5 foot television screens watching Snooki as those amongst us who revel in poking their noses in the affairs of others, redirect us for a healthy fee, from one endless queue to another.
As we too patiently and futility wait for our new directions, some among us use their otherwise useless and unused elbows to preserve their space in queue while our leaders from both parties pack us into the box canyon of homeland security, swat teams, transportation security, hate crimes and hand outs, is it no wonder that irritation and obnoxiousness are our only available form of self-expression?
What’s it to be? Are we going to create new settlements within our solar system? Will the Titan Moon Trading Company mine methane from its namesake? Or will we turn our faces to the insurmountable wall of curing obesity amongst our poor while providing contraception to our hedonists?
@ 58. R Daneel
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The facts are there for you to examine them. But you’ve been emotionally programmed to only accept the standard Vatican/CIA government mafia propaganda lies that they programmed you to accept. You refuse to look at the documented facts, you dismiss the conclusions, and then you attack others who overcame your emotional bias and propaganda programming.
Here’s Antony C. Sutton’s wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton
His bibliography is there. Familiarize yourself with his research and then get back to me and tell me where it is lacking.
@ 57. impeach 0bama
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The more you examine this narrative, the more inescapable it becomes.
Wretchard @ 31 wrote:
‘You basically have to make a decision not to listen or even pretend to listen. The channel is poisoned. There’s not an ounce of truth in it any more. Why does anyone keep negotiating with Hamas? For the same reason they keep tuning into MSNBC.’
Agreed, the channel is poisoned.
But refusing to listen to them seems close to abandoning the public square to their poisonous rhetoric. That’s not a comfortable solution, I would think.
Many conservative commentators promote ‘standing up’ in resistance, vocally countering the poison. Can the poison be countered and challenged without having to exchange rhetoric? Can we fight a pig in the mud without getting muddy? Can it be challenged while still being avoided?
I’d like to see some modern-day prophets emerge in the public square, who forthrightly proclaim (with credibility) the Word of God: ‘Thus sayest the LORD: …’ , bringing the nation to repentance and renewal.
Best regards, Peter Warner.
I call bullsh*t on Victor’s ludicrous claim that many Christians were killed the last 9 days by Israel in Hamasland. I’m sure the homeland of militant Islamofascists is just teeming with vibrant Christians. Whatever remnant of the church was in the Arab world has been decimated by the Muslim monsters,
60. Mad Fiddler: “This forum is being hijacked by morons.”
No sh*t.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Had a lovely TG with our Lefty in-laws yesterday (politics was not part of the conversation).
I have a hard time figuring out what these people are thinking, but there seemed to be a sense of uncertainty, confusion, perhaps depression in the air. As if they were thinking, “Ha Ha, we sure stuck it to those stupid Republicans on election day…but why does that iceberg seem to be getting closer?”
Radag @68
I’ve noticed the same sort of hesitancy and confused demoralization with the [few] lefties I’ve bothered to deal with recently.
Despite the wall of smoke and mirrors the PIO brats of the left have thrown up to protect camp fever-swamp, their hapless minions can almost make out the outlines of reality’s landscape through the fog. They can’t quite see the wasteland the active hand of their neglect has created yet, but it’s a start.
No matter how wrong and strong they try to pretend to be, many of the dazed and confused victors are personally discovering that money and life aren’t nearly as certain nor as sweet and light as it is/was purported to be by all their proxy life definers; who are still living high on the hog scraps from their masters’ tables. Up is feeling rather down, and they can no longer even see the incongruent corner that Recovery was reportedly just around…The telescreen ‘recovery’ is lost amidst the rubble of the last four year plan – Which is the same as their new and already disproved four year plan.
“Avanti comrades!”
So it behooves those who bitterly cling to God and country to keep snapping the attention of those whose eyes are furiously wide shut away from the frolicking red squirrels and back to every ghost of consequence the starry-eyed dreamers manage to catch out of the corner of their eyes. Remind them that there are more immediate mouths to feed than the gaping maws of blue metro bureaucrats and our [other] insatiable enemies across the world.
Anyway, the last few times a progress pimp or true [blue] believer has tried to shame me into the comfy embrace of their brain bug collective -or browbeat me into silent acquiescence- I’ve found some success undermining their great wall of voodoo by asking them to whip out their handy dandy calculator app to divide 16 trillion by the number of net taxpayers so that they might meditate upon their ‘fair share’ of the money that must be extracted, borrowed, and otherwise inflated to negate the already spent portion of the ruling class burden of ‘tolerance’ and diversity…Remind them that money -be it earned or owed- is just a convenient representation of labor that must be done, and remind them too that wars on math and gravity cannot be won by inflating hot air balloons when all the fuel’s been spent or regulated away.
Yesterday I thanked the good Lord for what I still have; today and tomorrow I bear witness to the fact that Thermodynamics is a merciless b!tch.