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It’s over. The American experiment is over.
In a hundred years we’ve gone from a nation where desire for liberty was the dominant force to one where desire for government guarantees of income, status, and comfort is the dominant force.
Cloward-Piven is NOW. The fiscal cliff is NOW. The regulatory cliff is NOW. Weimar inflation…almost NOW.
We’re just another Western European style socialist sh!thole. France on the Pacific.
I wish things were different – but they are not.
You will recall, Wretchard, that I did think very strongly that Obama would win, for reasons that I will not bother with now. Your title of this post is “ahead” and now it is time to pick ourselvess up and look ahead. The next 4 years are going to be very hard indeed, economically, militarily, politically, and every other way.
Yet, now is not the time for despair.
As long as we Americans can remember and act in the spirit of our Founders, as long as we can remember the wisdom of the Judeo-Christian faith, as long as we can continue to believe in America and the things this country stands for, all is not lost. We are facing a dark and terrible storm, and the future in the near term will be grim. I do not deny that and I do not underestimate the magnitutude of the tidal wave of problems coming towards us.
We can expect no help from our fellow citizens who have chosen to become welfare Lotus-Eaters for Obama. Very well. We can still remember who we are, keep our faith and love of country alive, and do what we can to stop or alleviate the worst of what is to come. We can hold Obama responsible for his actions, and offer a better way.
I have loved America all my life and I love her still. I am not prepared to allow her to become another Greece or worse. If I cannot stand against the tide I can at least do what I can to keep things from getting worse for as many people as possible. I am no starry-eyed Pollyanna, quite the opposite really, but despair is not an option.
Wretchard, a request. Could you put up an inspirational video or two? Something like the song “Men of Harlach” from the old movie Zulu perhaps?
At the Elephant Bar:
Bob – Wed Nov 07, 12:54:00 AM EST:
Guess I might as well read back through all the EB comments where I was told none of it matters anyway, they’re all dicks, just one giant big political party with two meaningless wings with funny animal symbols, no light between them at all.
Deuce – Wed Nov 07, 12:56:00 AM EST:
Oh, it will matter. Four years of Obama un-plugged.
Doug – Wed Nov 07, 04:23:00 AM EST:
The Justice Department will keep him under tight reign.
…just like the New Black Panthers.
Doug – Wed Nov 07, 04:25:00 AM EST:
His new hard-won flexibility w/Putin will put Yoga Instructers across the country to shame.
Previous commenters here, Rufus, and Desert Rat (I now refer to him as Deserter Rat) are celebrating:
Rufus Wed Nov 07, 03:03:00 AM EST:
Other big winners would include (but, not be limited to) all those with a medical condition that will now be able to purchase health insurance, and all those young people that will be able to afford a college education.
“Yeah, I so wish I had been saddled w/$100+k of debt out of college.
Woulda been blessed with the freedom of so many more choices of what to do with my life.”
I view Obama’s victory as the victory of the Religion of the Left over traditional families.
His most reliable voters are the victims whose children fill our prisons.
Chris Christie showed the true value of bipartisanship. This year Obama won and next year he’ll lose.
Oh, I should mention that one of my predictions from last spring was for a regulatory Tsunami after the election. It should put Sandy to shame. I never quite predicted a Romney win because not many Democrats around here (NE Ohio) had changed their outlook. Well, they will now get what they want “good and hard.”
#2 re: “now is not the time for despair.”
Interestingly, hurricane Sandy crashed ashore amidst the battle for the country. A sign? To be sure!
Like our nation, NY and the east coast were given fair warning, time for folks to pick up their very lives and head for the mainland. A clear choice given – turn and live, or stay the course and risk death and destruction! The mindset of NYers was “stay the course.”
“Storm? We’re not worried about no stinkin’ storm! We’re New Yorkers! We’ve been through storms before. We’re a big city, big enough to survive 911. We define America and its strength! We’ve been here all our lives and we ain’t goin nowhere!”
Weather Prophets warned them, but to no avail. The storm hit with fury. Staten Island was inundated. The Jersey shore smashed. Whole neighborhoods burned. And now the aftermath- grocery store shelves empty, gasoline scarce, electricity still out, ATM machines can’t deliver on all those electronically deposited checks, looting, rape, and the universal cry to the govt to come to the rescue, because this just shouldn’t be happening here in the Temple city of America!
Sandy came to us right at crunch time for the nationin, amidst the struggle on which way to go as a nation. Head to the mainland, or simply believe everything will be fine? Voters in last night’s election, like New Yorkers, chose the latter. Alas! Now another storm is bearing down on the east coast, bringing colder temperatures and more desperate conditions.
There is a colossal storm coming, and voters said, “Eh, Obama’s cool and we’ll be fine. Besides, now we get to smoke pot too! Hooray!
Our 586 BC moment is fast approaching, but we’ve got Obama! There’s no reason to despair!
As the Greek poet once sang, “Those whom the gods destroy, they first have reelected.”
It’ll be interesting to see how the economy and unemployment numbers fare in the next few months. In my case, I’ve just bought a new Les Paul guitar and, with this crossed off my bucket list, I won’t be making any large discretionary purchases (other than maybe the odd piece of antique furniture at estate auctions) for the indefinite future. I’ll be henceforth concentrating on savings and paying down existing debt.
I suspect millions of other Americans will also be socking away savings and reining in spending. If I were a merchant, I’d be terrified right now. I’ll wager a case of Leinenkugel’s Red Lager the upcoming Christmas shopping season will be the worst in years. With Taxaggedon looming, few folks–outside of Obama’s circle of good-time buddies–will be in a mood or in a position to acquire big-ticket items. New hiring–already slow–will slow even more to the point of catatonia. I wouldn’t be surprised if U3 unemployment moves back up to at least 9-10% next year. If erstwhile Obama voters think it’s hard to find a decent job now, I reckon they’ll be in for a truly nasty shock next year.
Even movie attendance will be down drastically. Who the heck will be able or willing to spend $50+ for a night at the movies that indirectly supports the same Hollyweird crew that helped reelect Obama and impose gay marriage in several states? I think a lot of Red Staters have already decided they will no longer support an industry that’s antithetical to everything they believe in. In Obama’s parlance, that’ll be their “revenge vote.”
Last night was very disappointing, but the 2014 campaign also begins today. And I think we’ll do much better the next time around.
A small consolation is that Obama will be reigning over the problems he created in his first term. Blaming Bush will become ever more ridiculous. Actually, the tipping point for the US was reached in 2008 when O was first elected. It’s been downhill since then. The 2012 election was the first post tipping-point presidential election. The outcome should not surprise anyone. From now on, the slide into despotism will pick up speed. The takers and our foreign competition will be thrilled at how quickly the Great American Experiment can be dismantled.
Interesting statistics on some polls that FNC reported:
1. Over 40% of people said that Hurricane Sandy influenced their vote.
2. 52% of the people said that they thought the country was on the wrong track.
It is easy and correct to say that No.1 proves that at least 40% of the people are idiots. But here on the East Coast of Florida, after Sandy passed by and before the storm hit the Northeast all kinds of people – from private citizens to government officials – were looking at the destroyed beaches and saying the Federal Government was going to have to come save them. People with waterfront property were looking at the waves lapping at their wall, the dunes that are now gone, and saying they were helpless and needed FEMA to come rebuild 80 miles of beaches.
It wasn’t because Obama looked Presidental stepping over debris and shaking hands, it was because they have come to believe in Sandy Clause.
As far as the 52 % saying we are on the wrong track, it is clear now that a significant percentage of those mean that Obama’s wonderful new vision was not being implemented fast enough.
There are two bright spots in all of this.
First, I was so impressed by the activism. I have never had local people, from my immediate neighborhood, come by and ask who I was voting for and hand me material to encourage me to vote Republican and support the Tea Party. I plan to go to their homes, shake their hands, thank them and tell them that if there is anything I can do for them to just let me know. I made a couple of new friends.
Second, this election means that Leftism, Socialism, Communism, call it what you will, in the USA will die, and very probably die violently.
Another thing the poll said is that 50% of the people blame Bush for the economic situation rather than Obama.
Looks like Reverend Wright was correct about the chickens coming home to roost.
The goods life has triumphed over the pursuit of the Good Life. Perhaps the destruction of the illusion that universal suffrage could ever lead to anything other than pre-violent civil war or worse will lead to something Better..someday.
I fear that there is a strong possibility that the foreign enemies of the Republic will save us from the domestic ones but at a terrible cost.
Apostasy leads to chastisement. Remember the dems booed God at their Convention. God does. Get right with your maker and pray a lot. It has begun and hopefully the elect (read Christians) will be spared.
I believe Republicans have entered into a new gorilla war that will be quite viscous and unnatural for those who do not adapt. You must adapt. No more Mr. Nice Guy.
“I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.” – Matthew 10:16-23
We can’t be Christ – but we can learn. I would change that last part to be “be as shrewd as snakes and appear as doves.”
Well if you wanted to get away from the rat race all you could move to Colorado and open a pot store now. A victory for personal freedom and liberty.
Of course you will need to cover health care costs for you and your employees. Then there are all of the environmental and health department regulations to deal with and corporate and personal income taxes are going up. There will certainly be a hefty sales tax. The banks dont want to lend money so you will have to spend all of your retirement savings to get started. There will proabably be legal challenges from the feds so the law could get overturned any day and you could lose the whole investment. The greenhouse where you grow the stuff will need to be inspected by the FDA. EPA, and State and Federal agriculture and buy the appropriate licenses and certificates. You will also be required to put in solar panels to offset the CO2 footprint.
Aw heck. It was less hassle when it was illegal and people did it anyway.
He was born in the summer of his 27th year,
coming home to a place he’d never been before.
He left yesterday behind him
you might say he was born again,
might say he found a key for every door.
When he first came to the mountains
His life was far away
on the road and hanging by a song.
But the strings already broken
and he doesn’t really care,
it keeps changin’ fast, and it don’t last for long.
It’s a Colorado Rocky Mountain High,
I’ve seen it raining fire in the sky
The shadows from the starlight are softer than a lullabye.
Rocky Mountain High, …in Colorado….
Rocky Mountain High.
I believe the doom and gloom predictions are a bit premature. I strongly suspect that after the results of yesterday most of us will continue to lead reasonably comfortable lives for the forseeable future. Look at Europe for the model of how things will be because the United States is now headed down the same path.
What does that mean? Chronic elevated unemployment, demographic decline, and continued massive expansion of the welfare state. None of those things in and of themselves will lead to this nation’s demise, but in time there will be a reckoning for their combined effects. Once again, look to Europe. They are many years further along in this process. Will there be unrest and dissolution or do they simply continue to fade away with a collective whimper? I strongly suspect that their fate will ultimately be our own.
My big takeaway from this election: most, nearly all, conservatives pundits were wrong. The experts failed: they misread America. What a bunch of maroons.
The lyrics to taps…
Day is done, gone the sun,
From the lake, from the hills, from the sky;
All is well, safely rest, God is nigh.
Fading light, dims the sight,
And a star gems the sky, gleaming bright.
From afar, drawing nigh, falls the night.
Thanks and praise, for our days,
‘Neath the sun, ‘neath the stars, neath the sky;
As we go, this we know, God is nigh.
Sun has set, shadows come,
Time has fled, men must go to their beds
Always true to the promise that they made.
While the light fades from sight,
And the stars gleaming rays softly send,
To thy hands we our souls, Lord, commend.
Well I’m stupefied. I had hoped that the ascendancy of the Socialist Left would be checked through the admittedly imperfect agency of Romney/Ryan and a general Republican sweep. Those high hopes I had Tuesday morning clearly were not based in reality. So, what exactly is the reality that steam-rollerd me and the conservative / constitutionally minded people? The Demoralization (hat tip to Yuri Bezmenov, Google it.) is much further along than I had thought, and I was not optimistic to start with. Destabilization is well advanced and looks likely to proceed at a faster pace with little in the way of impediment. Crisis, we know, is coming, there was never any real hope of averting it at this late date, but we might have softened its unfolding somewhat; now it will fall upon us with full, agonizing rigor. The real catastrophe will be revealed in the subsequent Normalization.
It is only at that stage that the victory of the Left will be revealed as a Pyrrhic victory, though, as with the Soviet Union, it might take a while. For the Left, the war is never over, there are always counterrevolutionary and revanchist elements to be discovered and destroyed, a necessary condition for totalitarian control. That is the control that the Left has always sought, and which they will imagine they will then have using the organs of State Security and information control; Orwell’s “boot on a human face forever.”
The Left waged a successful clandestine long war against the principles upon which this country was founded. I, and like minded individuals, will have to wage a similar long war against the principles of totalitarianism. The question is not, “Will the totalitarian State collapse?” It will. It’s own dynamic will insure it. The question is, “What principles will guide the rebirth?” I pray God to have the courage to wage that struggle so that the principles enshrined in the Declaration and the Constitution will once again stand triumphant, though I am unlikely to see that day.
Well, I expect the rectification of the Vuldrini to get underway, and soon. Gozer the Traveler will come in one of the pre-chosen forms, probably as as a large and moving Torg. This will be followed by the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, and a new form will be chosen for Gozer: that of a giant Slor. When that happpens, many Shuvs and Zuuls will know what it is to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you.
Yes, Gozer the Traveler. He will surely come in one the pre-chosen forms!
Also, Republicans do not have a vision that appeals to young people and newcomers.
The difference between the demographics of the crowds at the election night headquarters was striking.
It is probably true, as Peter B. writes, that the goods life has triumphed over the pursuit of the Good Life. Maybe there’s some way to frame the Good Life more appealingly and imaginatively. But someone smarter than me would have to do that.
I suspect the current deficit-spending fantasy will continue until it runs out of money. Europe will get there before we do. But Europe, for all of its socialism, is in many ways much more conservative than the U.S. For example, the strong family structures in Spain ameliorate high unemployment. Traditional habits of modesty and frugality keep Denmark going.
Welcome to the New American Century: Venezuelan style!
Oh, and here’s a memo to those who would blame Baby Boomers for our current misfortunes (as well as those to come). Post-Baby Boomers, Gen X and Millennials, voted overwhelmingly, 60-36 percent, for Obama (who is also, needless to say, a post-Baby Boomer). They effectively handed Obama the election. Kids, I hope you’re proud of yourselves today.
Wretchard has made some observations about the things we thought were true which have proved not to be so. It might have been Mark Twain who said something like — it is not the things you don’t know which hurt you; it is the things you know that just ain’t so. With that in mind, here are some preliminary (and probably “wrong”) numbers, since the denizens of this blog seem to be by-and-large quantitative people.
Reportedly, Obumble got about 59.6 million votes (including the usual dead & illegals); 4 years ago he got 69.4 million — a huge drop in enthusiasm for Teh Won, which comports with the perception that most of us were getting.
Romney reportedly got 57 million votes, down from the nearly 60 million votes even pre-emptively surrendering John McCain eked out 4 years ago. And the population of the US has grown by millions since then. No evidence in that vote tally of widespread enthusiasm for Romney — which again comports with the impression most of us gained, where so many Romney voters were saying that he was not the candidate they really wanted to see.
It looks like not enough citizens were prepared to hold their nose and vote for a candidate they did not enthusiastically support.
The silver lining in this is that it indicates we should not give up on our fellow countrymen (although maybe it is time to give up on a whole lot of our fellow countrywomen). Looking at votes cast over many election cycles, it seems that there are tens of millions of Americans who will come out and vote for someone who is an unabashed conservative (Reagan) or who proposes to rip the heart out of the Federal misgovernment machine (Perot). But those people need someone to vote FOR; they will not come out to vote AGAINST someone, even a dangerous incompetent like Hussein.
Nixon’s ‘Silent Majority’ is still there. They stand and wait for a positive small government message carried by a credible messenger. The challenge for those of us who have not given up is — how do we give them something they can support?
Now is not the time to give up.
KIn@ 24′s analysis basically says what we all feared of a RINO – he couldn’t deliver the base and he didn’t.
It’s time for a new party if the Republicans can’t get it together. No more mamby pamby RINO’s. We were told we had to get the moderates. Well, we lost because we didn’t get conservatives. Boehner has to be told – no more compromises. No more continuing resolutions. Shut down the government if we don’t defund Obamacare, cut regulations and cut taxes. And drill, baby drill.
It also means – as I have harped on many times- start telling the full truth – no more of this evasion of the difficult issues. People will respond to Leadership. The PUBs and Romney simply refused to lead.
All it takes is will.
Stanley Kurtz at NRO-Corner: “Republicans nowadays tend to write off academia as silly and irrelevant. Meanwhile, our colleges and universities have been quietly churning out left-leaning voters for some time. Not all graduates go along, of course, but many do.”
Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine. Republicans are anti-intellectuals. Sorry, but it’s true. They disparage higher education and scholarship. Partly they disparage it because of all the rent-seeking and absurdity therein. They complain about the chump-change going to NEH, NSF, NEA, etc., instead of influencing the guidelines and even creating new funding institutions. If conservatives allotted all of the campaign money spent this year to foundations that supported serious, conservative scholarship, we might get back to at least a 50-50 split of higher education political identification and generate serious ideas that appeal to young people. Grant money talks. Why do you think Middle East money establishes endowed chairs and programs? Why do you think Soros pours endless funding into the Open Society program?
Funding of academic research is a lever that moves the the political world. It’s time for a march through the institutions.
But Republicans don’t have a clue how to do it.
I don’t think we lost because we didn’t get conservatives. We lost because too large a percentage of the electorate were distracted from the real issues of import, or chose to ignore them.
Will alone will take you places. Will coupled with knowledge/truth will take you the RIGHT places. We need both to proceed in the right direction.
#23 – a quibble – “baby boomers” – generally the year range is those born 1945/46-1962/64 …. Obama, born in 1961, IS – by the numbers, at least – a baby boomer – at the edge.
SBW @ 17: My big takeaway from this election: most, nearly all, conservatives pundits were wrong. The experts failed: they misread America.
I think it would be more accurate to say conservative pundits (and mere advertisers, whom pudits of all stripes closely resemble) are in the same business as journalists generally: give the readers what they want to read. People like what they like to hear and they don’t buy what they don’t like to hear as readily.
Here’s a note I left on the Wall Street Journal’s site a couple hours ago, in response to their article, “Tough Loss Leaves GOP at a Crossroads”
Consider these phrases [from the article]:
“the party’s brand”
“to learn to appear more inclusive to minorities”
[Republicans'] own cast of Hispanic leaders . . . haven’t been sufficient to change the party’s image”
Apparently it’s all about the quality of advertising. Nobody seems to consider that the absorbtion of our politics by the advertising business and all its terms and methods is a hazard in itself. We just spent (somebody did; not I) the largest amount ever for this election, and see what we got. Advertising works by simplifying,conceiving people as demographic categories, then competes by giving them engineered stimuli to get predictable results—the more stereotypical, the more predictable, the more successful people in that business consider themselves. No wonder we have less, not more feeling of common cause with each other.
This is not in our interest as a people. Instead of free speech, we have only bought and sold speech. Instead of thought, we have conditioned reactions. Very profitable I’m sure, for the practitioners. Thanks, buds.
“Republicans do not have a vision that appeals to young people and newcomers”
Should be easy to fix: promise sexual liberation; free food, medical care, and education. No sense promising freedom, the dignity of work, the contentment of family, etc. They don’t want that. Give ‘em what they want.
Of course there was little reason to vote for Demo-lite (that is, Republicans) in the first place*. The Republicans should change. Let the contest between the Hard Left and Harder Left begin.
* Reagan promised to abolish the Department of Education. It’s still here. Not a single Republican since FDR has opposed the Left in anything but empty words.
TD @ 29: Apparently it’s all about the quality of advertising.
Yes, but I’m not as skeptical about it as you seem to be. It’s communications, and also it’s the thought, if any, behind the massage.
Only in the last few days, out here in la-la-land, did I get to see the “state of the art” Republican super-pac commercials as I guess a few national buys leaked in. What a bunch of watery crap.
Another thought circulating this morning is that Romney only pulled about 30% of the Hispanic vote. There are serious elements of conservativism in the Hispanic community, especially the legal variety who get to vote legally, tend to be very traditional and hard-working. If he could not reach out effectively and talk to them on American terms, he wasn’t trying very hard. I’m surprised he pulled even 30%, frankly, and I’d like to see some more analysis of that. But did Romney even reach out, I mean with a clear message, with any positive involvement with any working class Americans? No? Well guess what, they get to vote, and did so.
Finally, one last random note. I’ve tried to avoid watching Obambus last night and this morning but saw a bit, and it confirmed something I noticed in his last weeks of campaigning – the man has discovered the first-person plural! Someone must have drugged him and slapped him silly for about three days, apparently after the last debate, but he started saying “We” instead of “I” about three weeks ago, and abundantly in his victory speech. Well, good. Let’s see if there’s any substance to go along with the verbal change.
I wanted Sarah. At least she would have swung for the fences.
Was Obama actually reelected? Plenty of very visible vote fraud going on in Philly and other areas. The election was called with much of the vote still to be counted.
ErisGuy @ 30 said:
“Should be easy to fix: promise sexual liberation; free food, medical care, and education. No sense promising freedom, the dignity of work, the contentment of family, etc. They don’t want that. Give ‘em what they want.”
There it is! Socialism is the cure for all of mankind’s ills. Free government cheese for everyone! Happy, happy, happy!
What could possibly go wrong with that strategy?
Kinuachdrach @ 24 said:
“… Obumble got about 59.6 million votes (including the usual dead & illegals); 4 years ago he got 69.4 million — a huge drop in enthusiasm for Teh Won, which comports with the perception that most of us were getting. … Romney reportedly got 57 million votes, down from the nearly 60 million votes even pre-emptively surrendering John McCain eked out 4 years ago. And the population of the US has grown by millions since then. … It looks like not enough citizens were prepared to hold their nose and vote for a candidate they did not enthusiastically support.”
This is a perceptive analysis and consistent with my own observations that no one seemed enthusiastic for either Obama or Romney.
Kinuachdrach also said:
“The silver lining in this is that it indicates we should not give up on our fellow countrymen …. Looking at votes cast over many election cycles, it seems that there are tens of millions of Americans who will come out and vote for someone who is an unabashed conservative (Reagan) or who proposes to rip the heart out of the Federal misgovernment machine (Perot).”
The problem with this “silver lining” is that it is on the side of an enormous storm cloud. We need a competent President RIGHT NOW / TODAY and not 4 years from now. There maybe no America to restore by a future Perot/Reagan after Obama has hammered the nation into the ground. The DJIA is currently down by 319 points (no big surprise). People with money realize that the nation has put a pistol barrel in its mouth and pulled the trigger.
Like others, I am disoriented, not in Kansas anymore. How could it have been so wrong? Chik-Fil-A, those huge crowds, those long lines. Experts like Barone predicting a clear Romney victory (hell, even Dan Rather had a ”gut” feeling).
What happened? All these signals in so many places, interpreted by so many people—the voting ”underground” certainly wasn’t on the Republican side as it turned out.
One thing I’ve felt for a long time: we really need somebody like the late Lee Atwater, who knew how to play rough. No more patrician reluctance to hurt some feelings. Obama has been so vulnerable at so many levels I’ve been grinding my teeth at the McCain/Romney fear of going after him, at running an ”honorable” campaign, as if it were dishonorable to point your opponent’s weaknesses and flaws.
Another thought: think how long it’s taken Europe to get where it is—since WW II? Life there isn’t so bad at the level of the individual. We are huge comparatively and if we eventually get to be like Europe, I’ll be long gone.
But my grandchildren? Another thought: In 1988 I visited Czechoslovakia and was fortunate to have a guide who was a young man in WW II, did some guerilla action against the retreating Germans only to watch the Russians come in and take over.
He was talking about his son, a young university professor who’d only known Communist life. This son of his worked as little as possible, maximized his chances to get hiking, camping, etc and generally had no particular ambitions. He had also visited places like the USSR, Bulgaria, and E Germany.
”And you know what?”, said my guide, ”he’s happy. He thinks we Czechs have it made compared to those others and feels he lacks for nothing important.”
So … will that be—not us—but my grandchildren?
I’m wondering how many businessmen are going to go Galt and how many in the US military aren’t going to re-up?
For example, the strong family structures ameliorate high unemployment
Strong family structures consisting of 1.1 children per couple?
I have a few takeaways of my own that I’d like to offer.
1. To begin with, Roughcoat at #17 is right: the conservative pundocracy did us all a massive disservice. I predicted in an earlier post that Romney would win comfortably. I was wrong about that, but so were many of us, and also our esteemed host W, and Stephen Green, and Michael Barone, and Karl Rove, and Charles Krauthammer, and that supposedly infallible University of Colorado model, and…you get the picture. How did an entire narrative—and one espoused by the conservatives moreover, the supposed darlings of reality—go so far off the rails? I would really like to know what the hell happened.
I don’t quite believe the allegations of voter fraud. If that kind of fraud were happening on the scale necessary to throw the election, it would not be possible to hide it. Somebody, somewhere, would come forward and expose it, since there are still many millions of people who care about such things, and they would instantly laud the whistle-blower and bring action against the gerrymanderers. Nor do I fully endorse the “machine” thesis; from what I’ve seen of party politics, the machines just aren’t that efficient. No, I’m afraid the simple truth is that a great number of Americans simply formed in their heart a hard core of resistance and a determination to vote for Barack Obama, come hell or high water. I would not refer to them by Subotai’s monicker, TWANLOC; they are not nearly ideological enough to merit it. They are not motivated by anything as sophisticated as textbook Fabianism or the Cloward-Piven strategy, or even anything as fleshly and understandable as the lure of free government cheese (free government cheese is something they take for granted and they have never even contemplated its absence). They are motivated by pride and a love of self, along with total incomprehension of the material and metaphysical basis of the world around them. They are the “party” composed of stupid women, arrogant young men, sexual deviants, glutens, race-baiters, unemployable slobs, and in general any sort of no-talent putz with a chip on his shoulder. They vote for Obama because they are instinctively opposed to anything possessing quality and class. They are the Mexican mongrels of our society, figuratively and, increasingly, literally. I would simply call them the idiots. They are the perfect synthesis of everything connoted by the word “liberal.” These people are among us; everyone you meet on the street may be one of them. They will never be persuaded by arguments or even by kindly affection. They should be treated like the infidel, for that is what they are.
2. Getting back to the original point, I am disgusted by the behavior of the news media, and especially FOX News. It’s not just that they were worng about the election, it’s that all the talking heads on TV seem to live in their own little bubble were the news of the hour is treated with inappropriate lightheartedness. I’m sick and tired of this “conversational” style of reportage in which two or more people simply talk to each other in front of the camera, laughing and joking and yukking it up. I mean, there we were, with the fate of the nation hanging in the balance, and the newspeople are on TV flirting with each other, talking about what a late night they were going to have, making predictions about football games, etc. Like I really want to pay to sit there and watch them have a desultory convsersation. What is the meaning of the journalistic profession? Why in the hell do we even have such people? The 24/7 cable news networks with their cavalcade of opinion profferers, the whole red-state/blue-state convention, “heat maps,” election desks, election headquarters—are these not the highly symbolic body-constituents of an age that is tending towards oblivion? The whole thing has become a circus. It is symptomic of something deeply amiss in American culture which affects conservatives (if there really are any) just as much as liberals. I am convinced, now more than ever, that a true conservative would not even watch television at all these days.
3. Democracy—including it’s cousin, the representative republic—is an inherently flawed and stupid system of governance. This should have been obvious right from the very beginning. The only thing that makes a damn bit of difference in the world of facts, in the true political life of a nation, is good leadership, and good leadership is the same for everybody everywhere, just like the laws of physics. “Democracy” adds nothing conceptual to the basic necessity of getting things done, it only pollutes the process with ideology, sentiment, and vainglorious infighting tantamount to treason. Democracy has failed, will always fail.
4. In connection with 2 and 3, the two-party system in Ameria has revealed itself as a mental prison which must be torn down brick by brick. Americans live in a domestic policy fantasy land populated by two ogres named R and D, who are forever engaged in a wrestling match for the entertainment of their respective spectators. This wrestling match is what we now call politics, having forgotten alll the while that foreign policy was the real objective. Domestic policy only exists for the sake of foregn policy; exists so that there can be a foreign policy. And yet we treat it as if it were the very thing itself, the aim and summit of the political arts.
Sorry if this post is a bit stream of consciousness. I’ve been working almost non-stop since Sunday morning. I’m very tired and very pissed off right now.
BTW: best futures trading day of the year for me. Short, short, and more short. It takes some of the sting off to know that money is flowing from dumbf*ck American voter’s 401K to my brokerage account.
This clip sums up the day rather well…
I don’t see much hope for the future to stop us from our accelerating slide into a Third World nation. What will be the first new outrage from Obama II? A ban on fracking? Internet speech controls? A gun grab? Who knows.
While I like the notion of some sort of rebellion down the road, I don’t see it happening. Working and middle-class white people will be squeezed for every last drop of blood to support the giant welfare state of minorities and single white mothers. And they will go along with it. They will grumble as their taxes go up and up. They will mutter under their breaths as ever more regulations crush their business dreams. And life will become more and more grim and grey, Soviet style. But there will be no major upheaval or rebellion.
And since the white Conservative now definitively can no longer win at major elections, there is no route via politics either. And I suspect that changes will be afoot that will make elections more a formality and coronation and less a contest.
All that said, I’m also burnt out on politics. Since George Bush it has been nothing but an endless battle with the forces of Mordor, and they continue to win and win. Common sense, rationality, even reality no longer matter. All that matters are appeals to emotions and status and tribes (except for whites, who are not allowed to be a tribe). In that battle, we lose.
I might also add that given their thumping, Republicans will be nice and friendly to Obama and there will be no more investigations, no more talk about Benghazi, no Fast and Furious, no investigations of vote fraud. Nothing. The Repubs will be clinging desperately to their little mini-thrones, more grateful than ever for the scraps they get while the Democrats devour the carcass.
I don’t know if I’m going to be visiting here quite as often as before. Frankly, given the horrors to come, I’d rather live for a while in a media bubble where Obama is the greatest thing ever, because I can tune all that out. I don’t know if I want to really know what’s going on anymore. There is too much despair down that path.
So it’s head down for me. Less time reading blogs, more time reading great literature or watching (mostly non-Hollywood) films. Playing with the dogs. And the hell with the rest of it.
Mr. Obama’s support among women becomes clearer when you consider gender and marital status. While non-married women are overwhelmingly supportive of the president, 67 to 31 percent, married women favor Romney by a 10 point margin (54 to 45 percent).
This pattern is apparent not just in the national polls, but in many of the swing state polls as well, including Florida, Nevada, Ohio, Virginia, and Wisconsin among others.
A similar pattern emerges when gender is considered along with race. Whereas Mr. Obama enjoyed overwhelming support among black and Latino women, white women supported Romney, 56-42 percent.
In addition to non-married women, other key components of Mr. Obama’s constituency were young people, racial and ethnic minorities. These are the same groups that made up much of Mr. Obama’s voting block four years ago. In 2008, for instance, 66 percent of young people age 18-29 supported the president, just six percentage points more than this year.
(18-29 year olds see socialism more favorably than capitalism:
Thank you, NEA and our Colleges.)
Similarly, in 2008, 95 percent of blacks supported Mr. Obama, compared to 93 percent this election cycle. This pattern is repeated among Hispanics, who in 2008 supported Mr. Obama over John McCain 67-31 percent and this year came out in even larger numbers, 69 to 30 percent.
Rufus – Wed Nov 07, 11:57:00 AM EST Slept like a baby.
I’m happy, Quirk. The things I believe in won.
(money for nothing)
This is the end
This is the end
My only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I’ll never look into your eyes…again
Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need…of some…stranger’s hand
In a…desperate land
Lost in a Roman…wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah
If the country descends into economic and fiscal calamity, Republicans will be blamed. Just as Old Europe had the Jews to kick around when things went very bad, modern America has the Republicans, and, specifically, the Tea Party. Don’t expect a large portion of the American public to connect Obama and his fiat rule to what looks like a coming catastrophe.
Two years is a long time in American politics, but I still think that — as a result of a severe downturn in an already ailing economy — Democrats will regain the House in 2014. 2015-16 will be 2009-10 all over again. THAT is when and where America will get swamped.
I am torn. Born with a “quest” gene that I have tried to cultivate my entire life, it is unnatural for me to give up. Yet I see little but darkness ahead and feel very tired. The words of A. E. Housman express my outlook now.
Now hollow fires burn out to black,
And lights are guttering low:
Square your shoulders, lift your pack,
And leave your friends and go.
Oh never fear, man, nought’s to dread,
Look not to left nor right:
In all the endless road you tread
There’s nothing but the night.
Going Galt is against my character, but it is very tempting. Perhaps an even better model is to emulate Noah and set aside aspirations of being Moses. Time to shrink ambition and focus on preservation of that small world that may, four years, four decades, or four centuries from now can re-seed and re-populate a redeemed world.
For the present, my despair is enormous. The consciousness of reasonable people is shifting left. My liberal colleagues see The New York Times as centrist, while my leftist colleagues see it as conservative. Otherwise reasonable professionals of my acquaintance described Romney as an extreme right winger and Obama as center-left. What words would they use to describe someone most BC’ers would see as a true conservative? Calibration on the political spectrum has shifted so far to the left that Constitutional Government is now perceived as right wing.
And what to make of my fellow co-religionists who profess great love and concern for Israel and yet twist themselves into pretzel shape to convince themselves that Obama really has Israel’s interests uppermost? Add to that the sheer intellectual dishonesty and sophistry that passes for commentary and reason, and I am left speechless.
This was a hinge election. Like 1980, the fate of America in the world was on the line. This time the citizens (and perhaps non-citizens too) made the decision differently from 1980. Perhaps we have changed that much in 32 years. Those who chose the course we are now on will be the loudest complainers when it all goes wrong. Another poet, Yeats this time, expresses better than I can what I feel now.
A sudden blow: the great wings beating still
Above the staggering girl, her thighs caressed
By the dark webs, her nape caught in his bill,
He holds her helpless breast upon his breast.
How can those terrified vague fingers push
The feathered glory from her loosening thighs?
And how can body, laid in that white rush,
But feel the strange heart beating where it lies?
A shudder in the loins engenders there
The broken wall, the burning roof and tower
And Agamemnon dead.
Being so caught up,
So mastered by the brute blood of the air,
Did she put on his knowledge with his power
Before the indifferent beak could let her drop?
It is entirely appropriate that the young went big for Obama.
First: it is, of course, the natural state of naive, idealistic youth to be liberal. Many will never grow out of it.
Second: if you are going to be sodomized, it evidently helps for you to relax your nether region in order to make a receipt where you normally make only shipments. The youth vote might also well be explained by this:
“When you put this study together with other studies about what kids call sex, most kids do not call oral sex and anal sex ‘sex,’ ” said Blum, who called the study’s report of more than one in 10 teenagers having had anal intercourse “surprising and quite high.”
This is the youth vote. Open wide, kiddo. You’re gonna love this.
michael hawkins@18: Thank you for that. I spent years of my youth working on staff at a Boy Scout camp, we sang that song several times a week and I never even knew it has more than one verse. It’s even more poignant than I thought.
General thoughts: years ago I read “Atlas Shrugged”. I thought it was a WONDERFUL novel and cautionary tale. Our leadership and apparently over half the electorate has elected to think of it as a how-to manual. Well. Where from here?
As I said, I worked at Boy Scout Camp. I’m an Eagle. I tried to enlist in the military in the run-up to Iraq 1 in 1990 and was disqualified on a medical. Still, nobody loves this country more than I do…though I know that many here love it as much.
If you had told me even 7 or 8 years ago that I would outlive the US, I would have either made lewd suggestions about your parentage or started to fit you for a straitjacket. Now, I have already bet my 401K that, though the US may or may not end per se, it will not be recognizable from what it was in the early 2000s and before ever again.
For my part, I plan to continue loving God and my family, in that order, above all else. The country no longer ranks among my concerns except perhaps as a future adversary. I wish it well. I know in my heart that is a futile wish. As soon as it starts to take more from me than I can countenance, I will move to another country where there is either freedom or at least the possibility of fighting for freedom and renounce my US citizenship. My wife, daughter and parents are the only things holding me here now…my parents are in their late 70s and I can take my wife and daughter with me. Soon I’ll be able to maneuver if I must.
I will NOT live in an unfree country indefinitely. I will not live in a country where the putative “leader” takes for himself the right to kill or disappear citizens without due process. I will not, moreover, live in a place where people are willing to throw away our collective birthright of freedom for Free Stuff. No.
So I’m in a “between” kind of spot. My image of the world has shifted radically, and it’s just sinking in right now. I’m doodling with some potential plans. I’m doing some physical training and organizing all our stuff. I’m getting passports for my wife and child. I’m paying off debt and getting my house otherwise in order. I really don’t know what comes next for the country or for me personally…but I have a feeling that my family and I will be much better off prepared than not.
And while I won’t stop commenting on BC and elsewhere, I think my participation in the whole ongoing blogosphere discussion will likely taper off. I obviously have nothing to say that many others much care about and I suspect my beliefs will soon be very much “out of style”, so why bother?
God, I’m asking you in advance to forgive me for the shadenfreude I know I will feel when the consequences of Obama’s presidency become clear to those that voted for him. It will not be me at my best and I don’t want to feel that way, but I’m feeling so beat down that I don’t think I’ll be able to help myself.
The Republicans lost because they bailed out the banks.
They let the banks privatize the profits and share the losses.
The Republicans lost because they do not embrace a non corrupt capitalistic and free market system.
The game is rigged and the Republicans do nothing about it.
I voted with no heart for Romney.
The government tentacles have reach out and rendered this nation dependent
on it. America has lost its soul, its will and its values…
Clean up congress, punish white collar crime and stop printing money.
Two things I am resolved to do:
(1) Never to buy anything touched by the hands of a member of the UAW union.
(2) never to vote for Chris Christie for any office higher than dog catcher.
Stiff upper lips are all right, hang in there for four years and get ‘em next time is all right, but it is not the next four years that concerns me, it’s the next 40 years. I won’t be around to see it, but my grandchildren will, and it concerns me greatly, even frightens me when I think of what the country will be in forty years. Forty years seems a long time when looking up at it, but when looking back, forty years is the Nixon landslide of 1972, when I was in my forties. So it is not such a long way off at all. What principally concerns me is the Supreme Court. There are three 80 year olds who are going to be replaced by Obama, and he is not going to nominate a moderate, he is going to nominate and seat three hard left justices, and the Court will be the mechanism whereby the Leftist revolution is completed, and the only question is will that revolution be soft left socialism or hard left Marxist dictatorship. I can even imagine Obama running for a third and fourth term, regardless of the 22nd amendment to the Constitution, which the Court could conceivably rule unconstitutional on the grounds it was punitive in nature, which it was. Not a stretch by any imagination, because the Left knows no restrictions on its activities or agendas. Does the rule of law mean anything to Obama? Ask the Chrysler bondholders what they think of that. I hope I am as mistaken in this as I was in believing Romney would temporarily at least stop the bleeding, but I am not overly optimistic. I believe it will be a long time before the United States returns to any semblance of a Constitutional Republic.
What’s over is the Republican Party. Apparently many small “c ” conservative Americans view Republicans as “The Nasty Party” and cannot bring themselves to vote Republican. Maybe it’s time to build a new conservative party that speaks Conservatism in a language that 21st century Americans understand. Just voting against Obama and what he stands for doesn’t work.
This is deja vu for Canadians. President Trudeau is in power now facing a confused disparate bunch of “progressive conservatives” who many Americans really dislike. I thought that Romney ran a competitive campaign but he wasn’t good enough. He will now get a ton of undeserved criticism and blame.
None of this is good for Canada but it’s a disaster for the U.S. It’s time for American Conservatives to back off, heal wounds and start looking at how Conservatives in other countries have responded to defeat. It’s a spiritual death. After that comes the spiritual rebirth. Competition hurts only when you lose.
Excellent post. I share your views, sentiments, and emotions. Especially what you said in your last paragraph–about visiting blogs less often, and playing with dogs. “Roughcoat,” btw, is a type of border collie. I have a roughcoat border collie (female) and we won a sheepherding championship in the Midwest this year. I’m going to spend a lot more time with her, working on our herding skills.
Addendum to my earlier post: What we saw in this election is the transformation of USA to Esau.
English Standard Version (ESV)
Esau Sells His Birthright
29 Once when Jacob was cooking stew, Esau came in from the field, and he was exhausted. 30 And Esau said to Jacob, “Let me eat some of that red stew, for I am exhausted!” (Therefore his name was called Edom.[a]) 31 Jacob said, “Sell me your birthright now.” 32 Esau said, “I am about to die; of what use is a birthright to me?” 33 Jacob said, “Swear to me now.” So he swore to him and sold his birthright to Jacob. 34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and lentil stew, and he ate and drank and rose and went his way. Thus Esau despised his birthright.
We crossed the electoral Rubicon on November 6, 2012. The majority have sold the birthright they inherited from the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution for their government benefits. Unfortunately we will all reap the consequences.
I think I remember reading your story about BEMs way back in the early 60s. Is that possible?
The way I see it is that no political party or politician can succeed without the pre-approval of the MSM. Romney could not get his message out to even conservatives let alone independents or patriotic democrats. Everyday I’d hear “well, what is Romney’s energy policy ?or what not and they’d act suprised that he had a comprehensive policy that he’d been touting. But none of his message made it through the disinformation campaign. There is no getting a message through a country that is fixated on pop culture. We as a people will believe what we are told to believe plain and simple.
Nobody was “enthusiastic” for Romney because they want to hear it from George Stephanopolis or Chris Matthews, or from a 18 year old highschool girl and that is not only vain it will never happen. Never. That bar is too high and there will never be a candidate who could live up to that kind of ignorant conservatism. Conservatism died last night because conservatives are a bunch of fractuous morons who will not support any candidate who is currently alive. Reagan is dead and he would have been slaughtered last night guaranteed.
Find another country.
AP @ 47:
Everything you learned as a Scout, and everything that you are doing now to teach those principles to our future are what will be the salvation of America, if there is one in the offing. The current course is unsustainable and when things do fail, who will be left to take the helm and steer the proper course? The young leaders that you are fostering today will stand out among the sea of listless, helpless mediocrities that our society is churning out. Teach them how to steer a vessel, if you will, plot a correct course, and stand serene in the face of great adversity.
Never, ever, EVER give up the fight.
Rush is ranting this morning.
As well he might, but the problem is, there’s really nothing to say.
Get ready for a lot of breakage, and start looking towards 2014.
b @ 53: What we saw in this election is the transformation of USA to Esau.
Only, who exactly bought it?
I wonder if this is how Chief Joseph felt when he surrendered to Miles.
They won it. It’s time to make them own it.
For the first time in modern history, my state, NC, has a Repub governor, a Repub House and a Repub Senate. The numbers will allow them to pass whatever they want. I feel good about my state’s prospects.
I see the feds as illegimate. It’s easy for them when they pass a law and everyone just falls in line and obeys it. It’s a bit harder when citizens have to be forced to obey it. When’s the last time we forced these tyrants to bring us to heel? The answer is never! Practice these lines: 1) No!; 2) Hell, no!; 3)Come down here and make me!; 4) I’ll call you to discuss it when I get back from Cabela’s.
Re #59. dlsada
“I see the feds as illegimate.”
It is irrelevant what you or I see. They will now go after 2-d amendment, disarm the population and their “illegitimacy” will become moot. They’ve already circumscribed the 1-st one over some amateur video.
For me the choice between O and R was an easy one, though I have no illusions that either has a magic potion. What we got is more Obama, Mr. Narrative, which is not sustainable and has to produce the desired result or eventual implosion. Romney would have faced the same circumstance and, at best, would have turned the steering wheel of the ocean liner. I voted for him because I think he recognized the folly of the current policies, though again, I think any path taken that does not rely on gambling the future is going to be hell.
I think the US has over the decades dug a hole for itself. Obama and his team, by kicking the can down the road and thereby masking the extent of the structural problems from the American public (with a stupid/compliant MSM), convinced a majority that the good times are just around a couple of corners. IMO, either it works and somehow real, sustainable jobs come back – which I doubt – or it gets ugly. It’s ugly now for many, but so far the safety net is holding. When that unravels – when gov’t revenues don’t add up – that’s when the SHTF.
I’ve long thought that the change America needs will comes only when enough people are hungry and cold. We’re not there yet, but keep going down the path we’re headed, I think we’ll get there. I hope not . . . but sometimes there’s no other way.
A sad day. Sad in that there will be no change in leadership, and sad that so many of my fellow citizens are so easily bought.
AM @ 55: “Reagan is dead and he would have been slaughtered last night guaranteed.”
Maybe. The big message from yesterday’s election is that Ten Million US citizens changed their minds. Four years ago, they voted for Soetero; this time, they stayed home. That is progress!
43% of US citizens chose not to vote yesterday. That is more citizens than voted for Soetero.
No, what this election tells us is that the Institutional Republicans are not giving people a real choice. There is a very large number of people who want to see smaller less-intrusive government — probably a majority. And if the Institutionals won’t convincingly offer that choice, those people stay home.
To mangle Churchill — we have not lost; we have simply not begun to fight. Will we ever?
On the topic of enthusiasm:
There is no enthusiasm because there is no vision and no ethics code.
On one side they increase taxes so they can redistribute and create a dependent permanent and loyal victim class and on the other side (both sides really)they redistribute the losses and keep the profits. Both methods bankrupted the country. No accountability! No rules! No ethics….The government is not trustworthy. Maybe we got the government we deserve?
If you read it in the 60s you must have picked it up in a dentist’s office. It was published in May 1957. I mentioned it in Richard’s post ‘A Thing From Our World’ and was directed by commenter “Impeach Obama” to a link that displayed the mag’s cover and contents page, which in turn led me to a site that had it for sale, so I bought it, having somehow misplaced my copy years ago. The wonders and joys of this site are a never ending source of amazement.
I haven’t yet seen mentioned the obvious: there is a war going on between an aggressive, hegemonic secularist theology and Christianity. Both the secularists and Islamists are insisting on a global califate, so we are opposed by both.
Either the Christian substrate for a virtuous culture has existential significance or it is just another belief system. A good many of us in this country think better of it than that. We consider it a representation of a broader and tangible reality, one that transcends even this world. The earliest Christians, the Jews, seem quite confused about it all but seem to have mostly opted for apostacy.
At any rate, the matter before us is how to stand up for that true, eternal reality and diligently oppose the seductions of the world, for each of our good and for all of His holy church.
The choice now is not between this tactic and that tactic but between two cultures, one of life and the other of death.
And resistance will entail, first and foremost diligent witnessing to the faith. This will be difficult. Not only because so many of us have become desensitized to insidious violations of the good, true, and beautiful but also because, for at least some, it will mean some kind of martyrdom.
The Catholic therapist in CA must help a client with unwanted same-sex attraction by assisting him/her to combat it and, thereby, face criminal charges and loss of license.
The Christian business owner who is morally opposed to abortofacient drugs will have to refuse compliance with Obamacare.
We will all need to get up and leave when an immoral movie is being watched or a conversation that adheres to the culture of death is underway.
An unjust law is no law at all, but simple rebellion is easy and not likely to be successful. It will be adhering to the just that will be difficult and most essential in the long run.
I think what this election says is that there are millions and millions of people that don’t trust our government – either Dem or Pub – one bit. And they have a pretty good argument. Who could trust either Buraq, Nancy, Harry, Joe or Mitch MicConnell? Forget about the collectivist Dems – The Pubs credibility these last 7-8 years has not been exactly solid as a rock-they have been the cower, pander and cave party all too often.
Me thinks to win the Presidency, the politician on the right has to lay out a credible vision with sufficient detail as to how he or she is going to fix our problems. And that vision, must not use the same out fuzzy allusions that our politicians have danced out of time and again. Mr Fuzzy – Mitt Romney didn’t really do that. He only gave you a few sound bites that hinted that he might go in the right direction. That ‘s it. Very little substance. We were expected to fill in the blanks. Obviously that did not convince those millions of voters who don’t trust our government. So he and a lot of Republicans lost.
“Me thinks to win the Presidency, the politician on the right has to lay out a credible vision with sufficient detail as to how he or she is going to fix our problems. ”
Somebody just did that as plain as the nose on your face. Excruciating detail short of implementing policy. More socialism or more capitalism. Capitalism lost plain and simple. You cannot see anything when you are wearing MSM colon goggles. Total substance. Shouted it out from the rooftops and all you saw were squirrels.
Until John Stewart says it you wont hear it. None so deaf as they will not hear.
It is increasingly harder for any candidate to make an argument for conservatism. This is an effect from entitlements. As they grow, they do establish dependencies and hooks among the electorate, each one making opposition increasingly harder. This is what FDR understood when he dared any politican from then until the end days to try to take away Social Security. Try it, and you’d be easy pickings, tarred and feathered as a heartless monster who hates people.
By 2016 ObamaCare will be a going concern. This is the grand daddy of entitlements, the Holy Grail of the left since FDR’s own time. It will be very hard to get rid of. The arguments of the day will be whose got the better patch. And they will remain as such, as we’ll be stuck forever trying to perfect it. It will never deliver as advertised, and that’s actually not a bug but a feature.
Look at what happened to conservatives in Europe as these national health care systems were adopted. Conservative movements withered on the vine, with the parties on the right becoming essentially the same as the parties on the left only proceeding a bit more cautiously.
This is a big part of why I say we’ll never again vote for an American president, not as we’ve previously understood American presidents. We’ll be voting for a manager of personal cares (health, retirement, education, the list will grow – housing, etc). This constitutes a whole different relationship between the citizen and his government that has previously been the custom in the United States.
Once upon a time, long, long, ago in a place far, far away our local governments wished to accomplish noble tasks that were beyond their ken. They quickly amalgamated into regional organizations that offered state governments an opportunity to achieve great things through funding that heretofore had not been possible. Seeing this wondrous opportunity before them, the federal government chomped the bit, copied the states and leveraged through their funding the goals that they wished to achieve.
Local voting would henceforth affect only those who would control the flow from the cornucopia; likewise with state and federal voting. It matters little who holds office, it is that the cornucopia flows, not to whom or for what purpose, simply that it flows is paramount.
It is only when suburb, county, city and state are willing to forgo the taxes paid to wider area governments that self-determination will thrive.
Those who need government hand outs voted. Those who wanted responsible government did not buy the words. They saw too many bailouts and money printing from both sides. Enthusiasm gap? or reality gap?
Sorry Annoy, ain’t buying that crap. Romney didn’t say a word about QE. Not a word about the lack of budgets. Not a word about our phony Treasury auctions. Not a word about Wall Street Machinations and scams. Not a word about derivatives.
He did talk about regulation to his credit – but if you looked at his 59 point program – he was mostly interested in onliy reversing Obama Regulation – nothing more. It was all the easy stuff. Not the hard stuff – the stuff that really matters.
A birdie with a yellow bill
Hopped upon my windowsill,
Cocked his shining eye and said:
“What’s that in the road? A head?”
Robert Louis Stevenson via Axel’s treehouse
This constitutes a whole different relationship between the citizen and his government that has previously been the custom in the United States.
We ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. Wait until 21 million health care related workers are unionized by legislative or executive fiat. With “union dues” automatically deducted from every health related payment made by the Feds and transferred to the SEIU, or somesuch, the probability of a Republican, or whatever succeeds the GOP as the loyal opposition winning an election is zero.
It’s Game Over in this lifetime at least. It’s not the end of the USA but it is the end of what we may have thought of as America. Fact is that we did not lose very much in this election. The American Dream has been history past for years, as early or as late as 2000 depending on how you see it.
We can describe what’s going on and comment on it until hate speech laws make even that exercise an adventure, but nothing is going to change until the culture changes. Anti-Catholic, anti-Christian legislative animus concurrent with a tsunami of sharia friendly measures will shrink the Remnant to a blessed handful.
“Wait until 21 million health care related workers are unionized by legislative or executive fiat.”
A conversation that will take place in the near future:
Unionized ObamaCare Worker: “Sorry. We can’t do anything for your grandmother. She doesn’t meet our criteria for a pacemaker. Here are some pills–take her home.”
Concerned Family Member (pulling out a pistol and sticking it in the worker’s face): “Would you mind giving me a second opinion on that?”
Hispanic voters? Take on Luis Guitierrez’s position on “Anchor Babies” straight up.
1) Do NOT visit the sins of the parents on the children. They did not break the law to get here, their parents did.
2) Accept his premise that they should go “to the back of the line”.
3) Point out that male Baby-Boomers got drafted and sent to the rice paddies of Vietnam without ever having been given the chance to vote. They did not “earn” that right until they reached 21. (Under a Democratic administration’s draft policy! Nixon ended the draft and gave 18 year olds the right to vote!)
4) So the back of the line is age 25, one presidential cycle after reaching 21.
5) Offer full citizenship to anchor babies when they reach the age of 25.
6) Deny the right to vote to the parents of anchor babies. They brought them here as a gift to America, so we make the rules. As criminals can reside here, but cannot vote, ever.
7) If they don’t like the deal, they can go back home.
Quotes for today:
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.
Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.
Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities… because it is the quality which guarantees all others.
There is no such thing as a good tax.
I’ll make one firm prediction – more Executive Orders.
Obama has shown little reluctance to issue executive orders that fly in the face of existing legislation and exceed the bounds of his powers under the Constitution, properly read. No DREAM act? No cap-n-trade law? With the Senate remaining in the hands of Reid, Congress is stalemated and impotent to stop the president’s assuming greater and greater powers. Reid has already shown that a lack of a Congressional budget is not a barrier. The House is powerless.
SCOTUS has shown itself toothless under Roberts and a retiring conservative will make it a pawn for Obama. The third branch of government will be as ineffective as our divided Congress.
Even the military will be gutted. Already our overseas troops are disenfranchised by bureaucratic snafus. With sequestration, every officer will be afeared for his job and will toe the Obama line.
I see too few and too weak remaining institution barriers, no real checks and balances, to stop Obama from doing whatever he wants.
The situation resembles the late Weimar Republic where the next to the last block to Hitler’s rise was a senile Hindenberg. Once Hindenberg rolled over, Hitler terrified the Pressian officer corps by hanging a few generals based on trumped up charges.
I fear for our Republic. Someone reassure me – what’s to stop Obama?
Annoy Mouse @ 67 said:
“Somebody just did that as plain as the nose on your face. Excruciating detail short of implementing policy. More socialism or more capitalism. Capitalism lost plain and simple.”
Free government cheese is the “monkey trap” for modern democracy. No amount of explanation will deter people against voting for more free government cheese. Take a look at what is happening in Greece should you have any doubts. Greece is bankrupt and doomed but the people are rioting in the streets demanding more government cheese.
I would remind you that Nicolae Ceauşescu was elected to new 5 year term as Commie Party Secretary General on 24 November 1989. He was executed by his own elite paratroopers 25 December 1989.
Some thoughts amidst the sturm und drang:
There’s lots of Romney hate going on. In the present circumstance not even Reagan would have won yesterday. Consider: for a populace terrified of economic conditions and conditioned to expect the Government to help out-and I’m not referring to the free-cheese slackers-Romney was the radical candidate. Perhaps he should have been more specific in his proposals, such as just what he would do to kick start a recovery, but I’m sure the campaign also knew that any specificities would have drawn overwhelming fire from the Obama campaign and its media surrogates. So, Obama was the devil they knew and Romney was the monster under the bed.
Many, including me, were misled by the enthusiasm at Romney/Ryan rallies and the polls showing strength among independents. Where did they go? Why was turnout for Romney 3 million less than for the far-worse McCain in 2008?
Many have wished for a better candidate. Would any of the clowns who opposed Romney in the primaries have done better? No. Could we have had better candidates? Perhaps, but they chose not to present themselves. Given the choices on offer, Romney was clearly the least offensive.
I heard on Fox last night that a frightening number of voters made up their “minds” on Election Day. I suppose this is not unusual. But consider: The image of Obama and Christie all hugger-mugger had the effect of removing considerable doubt about Obama’s fitness (and, I predict, Christie is finished as a force in Republican politics).
Why did Romney not make an issue of Benghazi? While I would have wished for this I expect that the calculation of his campaign was that any benefit would have been outweighed by the storm of criticism that would have had adverse impact on a voting public kept mostly in the dark about it.
What do we do now? Hunkering down with beans and bullets may be emotionally satisfying but can not have a positive ending. We have to work for the long term, undoing the rot of decades and generations of indoctrination. We can start by teaching our children to question what they hear in the Government schools; review their texts, question them about their lessons, and give them a truer version of American history, economics, world affairs, and so forth.
We can also limit contact with Leftists in our personal and business lives. In the mega-Church my Mother-in-Law belonged to, members actively sought out other Christians to do business with, for example.
We will not give up on our moral understanding just to court the debauched among us.
We can decline any discussion with Leftists unless there is a persuadable third party present.
We can refuse to support the Government-controlled media and its allies in the entertainment world. Don’t give to PBS pledge drives, for example (I never do…).
We should support alternative organs of arts and opinion. Talk radio is insufficient; it only preaches to the already committed.
I’m sure others among you have more and better ideas. Please opine.
“Greece is bankrupt and doomed but the people are rioting in the streets demanding more government cheese.”
And just wait until the collapse is total. Turkey very publicly wants to restart the caliphate. Greece was once a Turkish possession (one of the few that Islam failed to keep permanently). Do the math.
“Why did Romney not make an issue of Benghazi?”
I would think this obvious. A media that’s willing to lie by omission for Obama isn’t going to report on what he says about Benghazi (it would be like the speech never happened), and would likely refuse ads containing references to it. Fox was doing some reporting on it, but that made no dent in Obama’s armor.
“No, I’m afraid the simple truth is that a great number of Americans simply formed in their heart a hard core of resistance and a determination to vote for Barack Obama, come hell or high water”
That wasn’t the issue. We knew how many people would vote for Obama. What we didn’t know was how few people would vote for Romney.
Good post, thanks. The American electorate (and the people they represent a giant sample of) are markedly different from those of, say, 1980, which many conservatives used as their analogous election.
We can start by teaching our children to question what they hear in the Government schools; review their texts, question them about their lessons, and give them a truer version of American history, economics, world affairs, and so forth.
As a parent you can certainly do that, but consider this: things are often so bad that the kid(s) would be subjected to harassment, and you will be called in for a “consultation” (browbeating).
While “taking back” the public schools and other institutions seems an admirable goal, alternate schooling might make sense for some. However, I have to confess that a majority of people who object to what’s happening in the culture and ideology war don’t have the means or time to do that. Such people would need powerful, effective advocates in their corner.
The Republican congress failed the American People. Why did they not fight the bailouts, the QE, corruptions, Solindra, Benghazi….?No heads rolled, no accountability, no fights or very minimal. They lost the election for Romney. They discredited the Republican Party!
We need to buck up. It will get better.
The American experiment is not over. The tree of liberty is just mighty thirsty. The problems we face cannot be fixed by the Federal Government but by the the sovereign states. It will be as costly as our first civil war but the conditions have changed quite a bit. Look at the red states and blue states and ask where the food is grown. Where do we have a great deal of oil?
Oh no,it isn’t over- it has barely begun.
You’re entirely changing the historical facts: Hitler co-opted the Prussians BEFORE Hindenburg died — by killing off the SA threat — and Earnst Rohm.
His failing health was obvious to EVERYONE.
It must also be surmised that Adolf assured the Staff that he would promptly restore the prestige — and budget — of the German Army ASAP.
The later antics were immaterial to NAZI control of the German Army. He already had it.
What the forced ‘scandal’ achieved was the insertion of an extreme supplicant in Keitel. ( aka lakeitel i.e. the jackal ) Keitel’s role was to provide the dictator with dirt on the Staff — the kind that would cause their ejection from polite society/ the officer ranks.
(What Heydrich did for the SS and the NAZI party — Keitel was doing for the German Army.)
Here in Florida they now report that overall voting turnout was lower than in 2008. Our county managed a 70% turnout, which appears to have been unusually high, just as in previous years.
So there was no doubt a lower turnout for Obama than in 2008, probably in part due to displeasure of the Obama voters and in part because 6% (CNN data) to 7% (Frank Lunz data) of the 2008 Obama voters chose to vote for Romney this time. So clearly Romney did not energize that many Republican and Independent voters.
The idea being pushed by the MSM is that Romney became inextricably entwined with the “radical” tea party. But in fact Romney was the least attractive candidate to the Tea Party. I came to like and admire Romney, but from the very first I never thought he was radical enough to get the job done.
So while the Dems and MSM (which is like saying Al Queda as compared to the Taliban) claim Romney was damaged by being too close to the Tea Party, in fact he was not close at all. He did not inspire the Tea Party but at most was accepted by them as the far better of the two options. In 2008 there was no Tea Party, so today’s Tea Party types voted for McCain then or did not vote at all. Today the Tea Party types had a defined ideology to follow and Romney did not measure up that well although Ryan did.
SCOTUS has shown itself toothless under Roberts
Both Roberts and Christie have shown the same pathetic, obsequious behavior towards Obama. That is one of the reasons why America has been captured by the Left. Their betrayals were crucial in helping re-elect our most dangerous president ever.
The problems we face cannot be fixed by the Federal Government but by the the sovereign states.
Good point, but one problem: As much as half the budget of each state (on average) comes from federal money “redistributed” to the states for anything from Medicaid to environmental issues and other stuff in between. Washington has most states by the financial short hairs.
“They are not motivated by anything . . . as fleshly and understandable as the lure of free government cheese (free government cheese is something they take for granted and they have never even contemplated its absence).”
Matt, your eloquence and insight usually impresses, but here you are smashingly, overwhelmingly wrong.
“Free government cheese” covers a lot of ground, including, most significantly, the freedom from anxiety about income stream, via government guarantees of the same. This is the single biggest factor in Obama’s win, and anyone who believes otherwise is either either misinformed, missing the point, or lacks any real analytical skills.
I cannot believe you can miss this.
Amoral people have the sense to know that times are tight and so will trade everything they have (like the “Esau” commenters’ point) for relief from the anxiety surrounding the possibility of even a minor diminution of their income. In Obama they see the guarantor, the bailer-outer, and the champion of the idea that if the government has to take your neighbor’s last red cent to make sure you get yours, so be it. Like the guys in the ’30′s who worked on WPA projects etc., who continued to support FDR even though the economy wasn’t improving because at least they had food and a place to stay, these miscreants and half-humans have sunk to the level of cannibalistic animals.
Unfortunately, these same people are also, almost without exception, so horribly math challenged or without future time consideration that they cannot imagine a time when all of the neighbors’ money is gone too. You correctly aknowledge this when you write:
“They are motivated by pride and a love of self, along with total incomprehension of the material and metaphysical basis of the world around them.”
So here we are. Barone, for all his faults, warned us of the Obama thugocracy. We are now France on the Pacific, Venezuela on the Gulf, and Zimbabwe on the Atlantic because people of all races and genders have become the footsoldiers of the thugocracy.
Re. # 77. Whitehall
“Someone reassure me – what’s to stop Obama?”
Sorry, not much except the 2-d amendment and about 20mil people with firearms for now. But within 4 years they will take care of that.
Everyone seems focused on the economic impact of Obama’s win. But this is only one of many areas to be concerned about. Also to reflect on is Iran’s nuclear weapons, Syria and what he mean in his message to Medved? Just to name a few more…
It seems many are saying that the conservatives and other right leaning people and pundits were plugged into their own ‘echo chamber’ and failed to gauge the mood of the electorate.
To be better prepared I have followed some left wing sites but have trouble with following a conversation on them, to name two: HuffPO and Daily Kos. Maybe they are not the best. Can someone advise a serious left wing site to follow, as it is always good to see both sides of the story. Thanks.
no mo uro
don’t cry for France, c’est la vie en rose
BTW, it seems that the Republican party has hard time to get the office, most of the time it’s won by the Democrats
Try ABC, CBS, and NBC. They are as serious as they are progressive shills.
After Chris Christie and Obama’s schmooze fest, I started wondering just what it was that Chicago and New Jersey shore had in common. CC likely got an offer he could not refuse.
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but so many people got this so wrong, there needs to be some info out there still hidden. Even down ticket Democrats were running away from Obama, and yet he comes through, with just enough votes in the exact places it matters.
Someone else saw it coming…..
90 @Don Rodrigo
It is puzzling that nearly any time the conservative/libertarian agenda just might win back a small bit of ground on the national stage, it’s almost always thwarted by a “conservative” turncoat at the last minute.
rwe @ 89: I came to like and admire Romney, but from the very first I never thought he was radical enough to get the job done.
RADICAL? He was left of center even for a traditional Republican. Romneycare?
This is what we have to expect, as of immediately, as of last night, of the MSM, they will now move FURTHER to the left and into fantasyland.
The MSM is insane and rabid, and will now be much worse, expect network news to resemble MSNBC, if they don’t simply add a hate minute for George W. “Emanuel Goldstein” Bush. But it just doesn’t matter, cuz the numbers are the numbers, and the numbers are done, finished, gone. The country and the world are now run by Mr. Bernanke, until and unless his voodoo powers fail.
Frank Luntz was on the Hannity radio show this afternoon, I assume he’ll be on the tv show tonight, with an excellent analysis of things. A few points I recall:
* Nothing wrong with a conservative message, but it has to be put right, for example don’t advocate “capitalism” because nobody knows what you mean, instead advocate “economic freedom” which is more Main Street than Wall Street. This has to apply double to Romney, who was always going to be associated with banksters of one kind or another.
* Hardly any voters decided their candidates by any issues!
* The exit poll question that correlated best with votes was about “Which candidate cares about your problems”.
* Romney had to reach out more to establish that connection.
Coming up roses, eh?
What will your tax bill look like next year with your new PM in place? How much entrepreneurship and innovation will occur in France for the next few years?
BTW I read your article about Nixon/Bush. Thank you for posting it. Interesting factoid, but I’m not sure what to conclude. Your thoughts?
What to do next?
You guys need to network. Get into physical proximity. Pool resources. Find a suitable red state that is likely to defy the federal government in the near future, or ready to secede with a good chance of going it alone, with enough agriculture and industry to be self-sustainable.
I don’t think Texas is the answer. Maybe North Carolina.
Last post on this thread.
A buddy of mine in Illinois (who has numerous health problems) sent this to his son’s leftist parasite Obama-loving public high school teacher:
“While you may be happy this morning, I have received a death sentence. It costs too much for Obamacare to keep me alive. Even 2 years before the tax is fully enacted, I have received 60% less care while paying 4 times more for what I got. The amount I have to pay for Medicare will make my Social Security Disability check the amount of one lunch at McDonalds.
This morning, I suggested to my wife that we move to Canada. Surprisingly, she said OK. I will miss talking to your goose stepping Socialist students. I will aim over their heads when they invade my pristine lake as Obama the Hun tries to take over the known world. I just hope that without medical care to keep me alive, I don’t live to see it.
Don’t be surprised when he abolishes term limits, fractures and burns the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, becomes ‘benevolent’ Dictator for Life and beyond. He and his buddy Putin will lay waste to our concept of civilization. It kills me that my kids and grandkids will have to try and survive this apocalyptic happening. May God, NOT ALLAH, have mercy on our souls.”
65 and 70 came closet to how I feel about the situation, today. While personally optimistic, I am very pessimistic about the culture. Pop culture has been ugly and almost unrecognizable for some time now and it’s only going to get worse.
There’s still too much wealth in the country for us to slip immediately into a third world, but the slow slide will continue.
Those of us in the minority who believe in traditional, American values will just have to learn how to live with a secular, rainbow colored United States.
After the Bush/Gore fiasco I thought: now the GOP will get serious about cleaning up vote fraud. I thought– we’ll go back to paper ballots, get rid of motor voter, push for sensible ID laws, make sure absentee voting is for those truly in need, cleanse the rolls of dead people and felons. Except for John Fund, there was silence.
Either the GOP are naive or something worse, and they don’t care about any citizen’s rights.
Reading many of these posts and reviewing the numbers I am left with a question for which I have no good answer. Why, if the population has grown and the passionate enthusiasm to crawl over ground glass to defeat Obama was true, and if Romney was getting crowds of 30,000 while Obama was getting crowds of 2000, why was Romney’s vote total lower than McCain’s in 2008? It is hard to believe that there was even less enthusiasm to vote for Romney (on an absolute basis) than there had been for McCain. It makes no sense at all. Not even the explanation that Romney was less than a perfect candidate (he was still better than McCain) or that Romney didn’t inspire great enthusiasm among conservatives (surely he was at least as much an option as McCain had been).
Anyone have a good explanation?
The seniors did not come through for Romney as they did for McCain. Why? Maybe because McCain was older and a war hero. I’m sure there were some who just couldn’t get past the Mormonism. Plus, quite a few of them are no longer with us.
For those of you contemplating the possibiliy that the US will end up, after some decades, as a European style welfare state peopled with lotus eaters, let me reassure you that it ain’t gonna happen that way.
Why won’t it?
It’s elementary really. There will be war first.
(possibly with Islam, but don’t quote me on that)
Europe has had the luxury of peace on the cheap courtesy of uncle sam. Who is going to guarantee that kind of security with out cost for the US?
Nobody that’s who. Ergo as security spending declines then security will degrade for the US until eventually people snap out of it or are swept away by hostiles (see also: the three conjectures). … or … if we do devolve into a welfare state it will have to be of a different flavor than the European variety. It will be of a sort that still maintains a way to cover its own security expenses.
I’m probably preaching to the choir here, but any one is delusional (ie. liberal) who thinks that some day all the global boogymen will come in out of the cold and it will be all subshine and lollipops all around the world on that great day.
Individual humans can change. Human nature can’t. Therefore all past ages have been perilous. The curent age is perilous now. And, barring the much anticipated return of the good Lord Jesus in person, it’s only reasonable to expect more perilous times in the future.
North american real estate is too valuable for the despots of the world to leave it in the hands of defenseless lotus eaters. Someone will have to stand the post or we all go quietly into the the night.
A favorite quote from Lincoln before his time as president … “As a nation of free men, we must live forever or die by suicide.”
National suicide is an option for the US … A European socialist welfare-state isn’t.
“Anyone have a good explanation?”
Yeah, fraud. Consider Philadelphia, for example. GOP election watchers were being thrown out of several districts. That hasn’t happened in previous elections, as far as I know, so I must ask: what acts did the people doing the expulsion want hidden? Sure, the GOP guys were let back in, but so what? Whatever needed to be done was done by then.
109 Bob Smith – another thing that concerns me is the signals folks like Cutter were sending even before voting began – about not worrying. They were confident they had the necessary votes. Better polling? Trying to keep the troops rallied? Who knows. But, we will never know, or fix it unless we fight back hard. That, I am afraid is something we conservatives simply don’t do…
what I understood from the article is that you should get in use to lose the elections unless there’s a strong personality for runing, and probably a better economical context. It wasn’t appropriate to push ahead a richissime Romney, whol look like a insult to people who lost their jobs, homes… a few years ago. Also it seems that Obama has the WS people support, like Hollande has too. Since Hollande is elected our national Debt is bought at negative interests.
And he isn’t promoting a strong austerity, as recommanded by the IMF right now, for it ruined Greece, spain, Portugal, Ireland, and soon Italy, if Monti carries on his cuts.
“How much entrepreneurship and innovation will occur in France for the next few years?”
not to worry, our guis still have ideas
Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin…
batman @ 106: “Anyone have a good explanation?”
Well, no, not really. Here’s an idea to try out: The GOP has never come to terms with how much damage was caused, and HOW that damage was caused, by Vietnam-style wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I live in rural New Hampshire, a loose collection of small towns. Like small-town America everywhere, the casualties from the IED war in Iraq and the “friendly fire” war in Afghanistan come from us. Every little town lost irreplaceable local heroes – police chiefs, high school teachers, star athletes, etc.
There grew a substantial anti-ground war faction among the grass roots of the small-town GOP. Obama’s drone war had, and has, substantial appeal to those people (not as much as nuke the site from orbit would have, but close).
Romney made two critical choices early on. One was, don’t attack Obama personally. “Nice guy, not doing the job”. His only shining moment, one which might have won the election if used as a building block, was the seemingly spontaneous line “I’ve been in business for thirty years and I have no idea what you’re talking about” in the first debate. THAT turned things in the right direction.
The second critical choice was to accommodate the GOP interventionists. Interventionists are important in the GOP but I cannot tell you how many people said to me “not another war” as a reason to vote against Romney or not to vote at all.
The sad part of that is that Romney was a weak interventionist if he was one at all. If he had stuck to building a bigger Navy (jobs, jobs, jobs) it probably would have worked out, but neither he nor Ryan had deep foreign policy experience, and they associated with enough Bushite interventionists to keep some people home on election day.
Republicans who put up George Bush “miss me yet?” billboards have done a lot of damage.
And yes, I know that allowing Obama to return is a catastrophic mistake. But in our system, you get two choices, plus abstention, at the end, and too many Republicans and independents chose door #3 this time.
Romney’s loss signifies that the approach of doing the right thing in our society is a losing proposition at this point. This isn’t a civil engagement between groups that disagree, it is a political war and one that the Republicans have tried to play by Marquess of Queensberry Rules while the other side treats it like a street fight.
If we want to win in 2014, if we want to win in 2016, we need to treat this like the street fight it is. If the other side tells a lie, we dig up bigger dirt on them or tell a bigger lie. If the press (included in the other side) refuses to report on something or is particularly vindictive (Chris Matthews..for instance) we dig up whatever dirt on their lives we can find and make it public. The punch back twice as hard was a nice idea, but we need to punch back and punch below the belt.
There are people who spend a lot of time modeling and running prisoner’s dilemma systems. The ones that seem to work all do variations of “tit for tat” .. if the other side does it, you do it until they stop. We are so far behind at this point that we need to do a helluva lot of tat until we are even.
I still think that there are 4 things that we need to make clear to voters that they get an advantage from the republican party – Spending, Military/foreign policy, libertarian pragmatism and social concerns. All of those work together and are necessary for our country and all of them are likely to explode under a second term Obama administration. The key is to make the message clear for libertarians and social conservatives that by working within a states rights view of the country they can each get a lot of what they want (being left alone for the most part or at least able to influence local concerns).. otherwise they can get pretty much nothing. Of course, without spending and a working economy nobody gets anything.
But no rational arguments work in the current framework. we aren’t debating an honest opposition. Until we implement tit for tat on a massive and really heartless way, we have no hope of having anything other than a street fight.
Re my comment in #80, about who you patronize: Received this list in my email this morning:
Price Club/Costco donated $225K, 99% went to Democrats
Rite Aid donated $517K, 60% went to Democrats
Magla Products (Stanley tools, Mr. Clean) donated $22K, 100% went to Democrats
Warnaco (undergarments) donated $55K, 73% went to Democrats
Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia donated $153K, 99% went to Democrats
Estee Lauder donated $448K, 95% went to Democrats
Guess, Inc. Donated $145K, 98% went to Democrats
Calvin Klein donated $78K, 100% went to Democrats
Liz Claiborne, Inc. Donated $34K, 97% went to Democrats
Levi Straus donated $26K, 97% went to Democrats
Olan Mills donated $175K, 99% went to Democrats
WalMart donated $467K, 97% went to Republicans
K-Mart donated $524K, 86% went to Republicans
Home Depot donated $298K, 89% went to Republicans
Target donated $226K, 70% went to Republicans
Circuit City Stores donated $261K, 95% went to Republicans
3M Co. Donated $281K, 87% went to Republicans
Hallmark Cards donated $319K, 92% went to Republicans
Amway donated $391K, 100% Republicans
Kohler Co. (plumbing fixtures) donated $283K, 100% Republicans
B.F. Goodrich (tires) donated $215K, 97% went to Republicans
Proctor & Gamble donated $243K, 79% went to Republicans
Southern Wine & Spirits donated $213K, 73% went to Democrats
Joseph E. Seagrams & Sons (incl. Beverage Business and considerable media interests) donated $2M+, 67% went to Democrats
Gallo Winery donated $337K, 95% went to Democrats
Coors & Budweiser donated $174K, 92% went to Republicans
Brown-Forman Corp. (Southern Comfort, Jack Daniels, Bushmills, Korbel Wines, Lenox China , Dansk and Gorham Silver) donated $644 K — 80% went to Republicans
Sonic Corporation donated $83K, 98% went to Democrats
Triarc Companies (Arby’s, T.J. Cinnamon’s, Pasta Connections) donated $112K, 96% went to Democrats
Pilgrim’s Pride Corp. (chicken) donated $366K, 100% went to Republicans
Outback Steakhouse donated $641K, 95% went to Republicans
Tricon Global Restaurants (KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell) donated $133K, 87% went to Republicans
Brinker International (Maggiano’s, Brinker Cafe, Chili’s, On the Border, Macaroni Grill, Crazymel’s, Corner Baker, EatZis) donated $242K, 83% went to Republicans
Waffle House donated $279K, 100% went to Republicans
McDonald’s Corp. Donated $197K, 86% went to Republicans
Darden Restaurants (Red Lobster, Olive Garden, Smokey Bones, Bahama Breeze) donated $121K, 89% went to Republicans
Heinz Republicans $64,000 Democrats $21,300! John Kerry’s wife’s company!!!
Traveling and/or dining
Hyatt Corporation donated $187K of which 80% went to Democrats
Marriott International $323K, 81% went to Republicans
Holiday Inns donated $38K, 71% went to Republicans
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