Competing Visions
Barack Obama and Sarah Palin represent two different types of politicians. But they differ in ways that go beyond style. The survey must start with who they are. Only then can they be compared. Tom Junod at Esquire sees Obama as a rock star — a rock star from whom the spirits have unaccountably departed. “Now his gift has all but deserted him, and all that prevents the story from becoming tragic is his own apparent refusal to be affected by it.”
The more obvious conclusion is that what made the story tragic was “his own apparent refusal to be affected by it,” his inability to reconcile himself with a descent from Olympus. But it pays to see what Junod thinks the magic was. Junod believes that the magic was “him”:
President Obama, after all, was elected by virtue of his personality, which provided not only contrast but novelty, and was grounded in his near-perfect pitch when addressing audiences large and small. Sure, he was cool and cerebral, but he was also confident, almost cocky, because he had the power to summon inspiring rhetoric on command, which meant that he had the power to summon us on command. Though many Americans didn’t know very much about him, there was one thing that was never in doubt when we saw and heard Obama on the stump: his ownership of his gift. By the way he carried himself, we could tell that he had always had it, and because he always had it, we could be sure that he always would have it. How could we resist a man who simply by opening his mouth could move mountains — and who had ascended all the way to the presidency by staking his political life on his own eloquence? How could we resist a man who seemed so sure that we could not resist him?
“He” was going to save America. “He” was going to make the seas fall. “He” was going to make such music, conjure harmonies so overwhelming that even America’s enemies would come, drawn like animals to Pan’s pipe at once bewitched and converted. The whole success of the Obama administration hinged around the power of the Him.
The problem was that the skies did not open and only a very few were drawn to what in the end sounded less like piping than tootling. Jonod ends his entire essay with an insight that seems to come too late for the text. Barack Obama the Messiah is dead and the only way Obama can amount to anything is to try to become a decent, competent president. “He’ll never be Barack Obama again, now that he’s been rejected, and the oils of anointment are off of him. But Barack Obama — President Obama — can still be great, even if he has to sing someone else’s song.”
Sarah Palin, on the other hand, never presented herself as anything much. On the contrary, her chief claim to fame was that she was in some way very ordinary, a fact which horrified Richard Cohen, writing in the Washington Post, to no end:
The mind of the demagogue is a foreign country. It has a strange culture, enemies that only the natives can see, a passion about the ridiculous and a blowtorch kind of sincerity that incinerates logical thinking. On Sunday, the custodian of one such blowtorch was on Fox News. I am speaking, of course, of Sarah Palin. …
The fierce stupidity of this woman is hard to comprehend. It is the well from which she draws her political sustenance. … Katie Couric’s CBS, the network she thinks so unfairly skewered her by asking, for instance, what newspapers she reads. … The polls say she can’t win. I betcha Palin thinks she can’t lose.
Cohen thinks it is all about winning the presidency. Putting a Her in place of the Him. It never occurs to Cohen that Palin might think more in terms of helping her country “win” than in personally occupying the Oval Office. Cohen mocks the idea of serving one’s country. He wrote, “when Chris Wallace asked her about any presidential ambitions, she did not coyly say that she had not given the matter any thought. Instead, she said that if her party needed her, if her country needed her, if the need for her was truly great, then she would sacrifice her freedom of movement, the privacy she enjoys with her family – never mind their tabloid lifestyle and addiction to publicity – and give it all up and run for president.” Who in Washington’s cynical atmosphere could actually believe that?
It would be odious to compare Sarah Palin to George Washington but less of a stretch to liken Cohen to George III. Both knew high places. Cohen can understand kings. And George III also had a problem understanding why a man might not want to be king. Ann Althouse remembers hearing this excerpt from Paul Johnson’s audio book on George Washington. The British monarch was astounded at news that Washington had resigned his commission:
In London, George III questioned the American-born painter Benjamin West what Washington would do now he had won the war. “Oh,” said West, “they say he will return to his farm.” “If he does that,” said the king, “he will be the greatest man in the world.”
What does it mean to be the “greatest man in the world” if does not mean to be a king? To George III, kingship was something to be desired above all else, yet even he realized there might actually be something greater. Sarah Palin may actually lack what it takes to be a successful president of the United States. She may not have what it takes to be a queen. But she has in abundance what Barack Obama, who styles himself a “community organizer,” notably lacks. Palin has the ability to generate leaders other than herself. That quality was in evidence in the recent campaign when she successfully encouraged others, some of whom had never been in public life before, to throw their hats in the ring and run for office. And many of them won. Writing in the National Review, Palin found satisfaction in the achievements of others. That is the key attribute of a real “community organizer,” while the supposed Alinskyite, who is actually nothing like a classic organizer, was struggling with little apparent success to get beyond his “gift”; to get beyond himself. Palin wrote:
In the coming weeks there will also be a debate about the viability of particular candidates. Anyone with the courage to throw his or her hat in the ring and stand up and be counted always has my respect. Some of them were stronger candidates than others, but they all had the courage to be “in the arena.” The second lesson of this election is one a number of the candidates had to learn to their cost: Fight back the lies immediately and consistently. Some candidates assumed that, once they received their party’s nomination, the conservative message would automatically carry the day. Unfortunately, political contests aren’t always about truth and justice. Powerful vested interests will combine to keep bad candidates in place and good candidates out of office. Once they let themselves be defined as “unfit” (decorated war hero Joe Miller) or “heartless” (pro-life, international women’s rights champion Carly Fiorina), good candidates often find it virtually impossible to get their message across. The moral of their stories: You must be prepared to fight for your right to be heard.
“Anyone with the courage to throw his or her hat in the ring and stand up and be counted always has my respect.” But that would mean rivals. It would mean peers. It might even mean, God forbid, that someone else might be greater than yourself. So you will never hear Barack Obama say anything like this, at least not in earnest. On the contrary, he demonstrated, in the last campaign, a serene willingness to sacrifice every other leader on the altar of the vision — not the modest ambitions, the secret dreams of the common herd, but the unutterable vision vouchsafed to him “through the red soil of Africa.” Sarah Palin may never be president; nor fit to be. But that is irrelevant. The real difference between the two competing visions is what question they answer to. For most Democrats the 2012 elections will be about re-electing Barack Obama. For most members of the Tea Party it will be about taking back America.
And while Palin might be never be the rockstar Obama is, her vision may be greater. Junod understood that fact at the last and quailed upon the brink.
Barack Obama’s gift was so musical that one has to resort to musical comparisons to explain what might be left now that it’s fled him. Dylan was never Dylan after the motorcycle accident any more than Elvis was Elvis after the Army: what they didn’t lose they had to wrestle with, and no longer was the electricity effortless. It will be the same way for the president; hell, it already is, and has been for much longer than we’d like to admit. He’ll never be Barack Obama again, now that he’s been rejected, and the oils of anointment are off of him. But Barack Obama — President Obama — can still be great, even if he has to sing someone else’s song.
Sing someone else’s song? Betcha he won’t.






Compare Obama to any Rock Star, OK fine! The only Rock Star that I have talked to that is really smart is Mick Jagger.Some Rock Stars can’t hold a candle to the village idiot. Obama is educated but I think lacks in honesty and character. He is not the dumbest president we have had by a long shot but his isn’t at the top of the list either.
I must dance to the beat of a different drummer because I never saw Obama as anything other than a pathologically narcissistic asshole.
Same article by Sarah Palin:
John Podhorez called this political formulation: brilliant – a rare compliment from him.
Sarah Palin certainly has an entrepreneurial eye for political talent & a way with words that resonates with many citizens.
It would be nice to have her talk about interstate compacts … The idea is very viable as one of the few ways out of the coming deadlock in Washington, and needs a lot more visibility …
Barack Obama’s gift was so musical that one has to resort to musical comparisons to explain what might be left now that it’s fled him.
As I’ve said before, it’s no coincidence that Obama and Lady Gaga rose to popularity at the same time.
Sarah Palin puts people on her bus, rather than under it. And once they’re on, she doesn’t make them sit in the back.
Her new video captures what Wretchard noted: “Palin has the ability to generate leaders other than herself.”
Basic theme: “We’re gonna do this together!”
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/04/video-this-is-our-morning-in-america/
your twisting my melon, man
“but he was also confident, almost cocky, because he had the power to summon inspiring rhetoric on command”
WTF? All this time I thought he was using a teleprompter. Silly me! I never felt any tingles, which makes me biased, I suppose. Toward the end I would channel surf when the Obomination appeared. Trying to find an insurance commercial, where the liar on the screen was at least a professional.
“Sarah Palin may actually lack what it takes to be a successful President of the United States.”
Don’t understand this, W. Why the put-downs of a person who was not even on any ballot? It seems rather like the kind of sophisticated, back-handed compliments which we have become used to hearing from token “right wing” media types.
So which is it, W? Have you finally succumbed to the siren call of acceptability to the still-dominant left wing? Or are you seeing something that eludes lesser minds such as mine?
I would argue that the most recent “successful” President of the US was Reagan, using any objective definition of the word “successful”. And the one before him was Eisenhower. Successful Presidents are thin on the ground. However, the current occupant demonstrates that neither talent nor experience are necessary to “be” President.
Josh, you’re not supposed to tell. At least this week. Last week it was OK and it might be OK, next week.
This week, we don’t ask and you don’t tell. Pity really. I liked being able to walk up to people and say; “Are you a fag?” They always say no, even if they are holding hands with a calamite while wearing a T that says “Bacha Baz”
8. stoicheion
Yes, everything you said to the 10th power!! The zerO couldn’t string together 10 coherent words when he was speaking off the cuff. All we heard was “uh, uh, …”uh……….uh. And the teleprompter….I keep thinking He’s watching a tennis match in extremely slow motion.
How can a person be anything other than dumb if he is beguiled by the illusory concepts that he espouses?
Obama is a character, commanding only attention, like a rock star. Palin has character, like Reagan did.
Without being immodest, I’m going to claim to have a decent ear for music, especially the music of the English language.
Mr. Obama has never struck a chord to which I could respond. I find his purported eloquence platitudinous, heartless and cold; his allegedly ringing phrases, jejune and banal; his so-called soaring rhetoric insipid and — more often than not, when one really thinks about its content — absurd.
His arrogant demeanor, his carelessness with the dignity of his office, and the impression he gives of never having humbly reflected on any serious question unmediated by boilerplate ideology, combine to make him one of the least likable individuals who has ever strutted upon our national stage.
I suppose that makes me a racist.
Jamie Irons
The Obama magic is gone.
But the anti-capitalist elite message of “tax the rich” (hate? kill?) is still alive and well and kicking, especially in academia.
Richard (Wretchard?), I think you’re misunderestimating Palin’s Presidential abilities, altho, like Hillary, her negatives are very very high. But her ability to push others, and encourage others to be Tea Party leaders, is likely to be a Big boost for Reps in 2012.
Only if she chooses to lead & create a Third Party will there be any such conservative Third Party of note — and that’s the most likely path for Obama to get re-elected.
So I doubt it, very much.
That’s the first praise of Palin that’s made any sense to me.
As to Obama’s rhetorical skills, that has always left me puzzled. He seemed to me to have no skills whatsoever. I took it that I was not the intended audience.
Anyone actually grounded in the Alinsky tradition will readily recognize the distinction between an “organizer” and a “leader”; and still more the slight taint which attaches to the phrase “leader-oriented organization”. Creating an organization built around a charismatic person who does things ‘for’ people is a cardinal sin. Finding a person who can articulate and focus the group consensus is the beau ideal. In more rigorous parlance, the leader must always be the agent of the principal, never the principal himself.
Calling Barack Obama an “Alinsky organizer” has always been a slur on Alinsky. Obama is nothing of the sort. Ironically, Sarah Palin, in her own independent way, comes far closer to the ideal of the person of the moment, the enabler of ideals. Her speeches are about ideas, maybe not her own ideas, perhaps the ideas of traditional America, but they are about ideas.
Her masterstroke was resigning the Governorship of Alaska, a move which was universally adjudged by the MSM to be a blunder. They think in terms of prestige, persons, positions. She understood that the key requirement of the moment was the ability to articulate ideas without restraint, to encourage leadership outside of party constraints. She gave up the governorship for freedom of maneuver. And it was more than a fair exchange. This was followed pursuing a two track media strategy. She used Twitter and Facebook and she got on Fox. This allowed her the option of lateral movement. If Fox closes her down, there’s the Internet. And probably Fox doesn’t close her down because she has the Internet. They have little hold on her.
All this ambiguity and freedom will disappear once she instantiates herself as a candidate. This will mean a need to “go along to get along” because she’ll necessarily be part of a ticket. Her freedom of expression will vanish overnight. Her perceived neutrality and independence will likewise degrade. She will give up all the things she has proven to be good at for a role she may, or may not be, good at.
Sarah Palin the candidate may well have fewer moves than Sarah Palin the kingmaker, the ronin, only beholden to the wave. I think it is important to realize how much of Palin’s power comes from the fact that she has to ride this wave, has to have her ear to the ground, must be in tune with a different drum of history. It’s not entirely her we are hearing, but what she can sense. Like Anteus, she gets her power from the earth, from being outside the airless royal court. But once she gets swept into the circle of the fuddy-duddies, the danger of the cordon sanitaire closing around her is great.
My great hope is that Sarah Palin may resist the temptations of office long enough to realize that there are sometimes greater things in life than to be President, and have the strength to grasp that bitter cup with both hands until she is sure her job is done.
It’s bizarre that the genius Cohen calls Palin “fiercely stupid” while celebrating a President who believes spending the country into oblivion is sound fiscal policy. It’s like the elite bright-eyed hordes descending on DC for the mockfest last weekend. They looked to me like folks who couldn’t change a tire or unplug a toilet, but they are loaded down with glibness and every crackpot leftist theory long repudiated in the real world.
I’m with those who never saw the magic in the Resident. Great orator? Nah. Just a too clever by half frat boy with a tan. History won’t view him kindly.
A HYMN TO THE HIM
There’s another difference between Palin and Obama. Palin never spent a billion dollars on a five day vacation. Does the Him care that we are outraged that he is using the US Navy to take a couple thousand of his friends on vacation at our expense? No he does not care. He likes zinging us. He likes giving us the finger. Will the Him sing someone else’s song? The Him will not. The Him has his own song. He is zingin’ in the reign.
I’m zinging in the reign
Though it’s raining in the Singh
What a glorious feeling
The wonders I bring
I lower the seas
I temper the breeze
I’m zinging in the reign
Yes we’re here in Mumbai
Just my dear wife and I
We’re just like most people
We like living high
Then we’ll visit a mosque
Tea at friendly kiosk
Just zinging in the reign
For just millions a day
We will laugh and we’ll play
‘Cause it isn’t our money
It’s not us who will pay
The Navy’s on hand
Just to see that we land
Just zinging in the reign
The day after Sarah Palin made her appearance on the national stage (in Dayton, I believe), I was talking to some female Democrat friends and they were telling me about the ethics complaints in Alaska against the then Governor Palin. I’d been impressed with her handling of the gas pipeline deal and did not consider her a light weight. So I said, “Of course. They’ve got to destroy her quick. She’s a real outsider.”
There’s been no lack of trying. She’s had a target on her ever since. Then last Spring she put targets on 20 Democrats and 18 of them fell in the Fall “shellacking.”
The same media that trashed her treasures Obama. As his many short comings become apparent, maybe the Public will take another look at Palin (the media was wrong about him so maybe they are wrong about her).
The Democrats ran not just a negative campaign, but a downright vicious one full of personal attacks on their opponents. The Republican negative attacks were aimed, for the most part, at the policy and performance of their opponents. Democrats aimed theirs, for the most part, at the person. Governor-elect John Kasich in Ohio weathered such attacks because most voters saw them as politically motivated.
Unfortunately some Republicans validated these sorts of attacks against the “Tea Party” candidates. Voters figured if even the Republicans call these candidates extreme, it must be true. Then after helping the Democrats defeat these candidates, these Republicans blame the candidates. If Lindsey Graham had echoed what the Democrats said about Kasich, he would have lost by the same margin as Christine O’Donnell. Whatever happened to “Thou shall not speak ill of a fellow Republican.”
Wretchard at 5:16, I think you clearly expressed the reality of the Sarah Palin opportunity and threat. If she becomes just another political operator pursuing a series of strategic moves in order to achieve and become, to achieve victory in nomination and election to become the holder of the highest office, she throws away all or most of what she may be able to truly achieve. By laying the groundwork for the emergence of a new political climate and a suitable Presidential candidate, she may achieve great things. But turning her quest into Sarah for President throws away all that potential, and likely will descend into bitter partisan and class warfare.
I’m with Peter Boston, Stoich, Jamie Irons, and rhhardin on this one.
I was not seduced by Obama’s so-called rhetorical gifts—gifts which he’s never been shy about attributing to himself, by the way. He seems to think that if he simply gets in front of an audience and “acts black” (i.e., if he apes the soaring brogue of a negro Baptist preacher), that he will have the simpering chorus of white Dufflepuds eagerly yup-yupping everything he says and eating out of his hand. His only talent was for playing the put-upon black man, plucking the heartstrings of white liberal guilt despite having been to some of the finest schools in the land and making more money than 95% of the white population. Receptivity to this sort of public persona has been carefully prepared by 40 years of Hollywood agitprop and “Black History Month”-style catechesis in public education, until several generations of Americans have been taught to believe that every time a black man says something in a sonorous tone of voice, his utterances carry the same spiritual authority that Moses had before Pharaoh. If we want to understand Barack Obama’s strange appeal to men like Chris Matthews, we need only look at the black male personas crafted by the mass media over the course of his lifetime. A Fourier analysis of Obama’s “music” yields the following principal waveforms.
1. The dominant frequency is the lilting rise and fall of an MLK mini-me, albeit distorted by a persistent whine in the upper register.
2. Major harmonics include a Lionel Jefferson-type ironic smartass and a Martin Lawrence-like racist undertone.
3. Nonlinear variations in intensity cause him to percolate and burble like Clarence Page on The McLaughlin Group.
4. Advanced component analysis indicates that Maya Angelou was reciting something in the background.
This isn’t going to cut it anymore. Americans now know that our first black president is also our first Affirmative Action president, even though they would never be so gauche as to say so out loud. But even the charge of racism is not acting as the deterrent it once did: the situation has become too comical for that. A president must be able to do more than oscillate between the postures of persecuted black solemnity and Jim Crow goofiness that made Barack Obama the darling of fiction-saturated white liberals and mal-educated suburban college kids. If we really want to face foursquare the catastrophe of the Obama presidency, we must also face down the absurd excesses, grotesque falsifications, and political hijinks of our hideous racial spoils system—for that is what created Barack Obama. Honesty with respect to race, the novel idea of judging people by the content of their character, is what will bring him down.
How could we resist a man who simply by opening his mouth could move mountains — and who had ascended all the way to the presidency by staking his political life on his own eloquence? How could we resist a man who seemed so sure that we could not resist him?
Oh boy, the Pontius-Pilate-ness of it all. Junod tries to abdicate his personal responsibility for being a dupe (dope?) by (a) camouflaging himself in a first person plural, and (b) claiming that TOTUS was irresistible.
Thing was, tens of millions of Americans did resist & were not duped.
Know that saying about how you can’t cheat an honest man? (not literally & universally true, but it has a point: greed makes a person more vulnerable to being played for a sucker) Well, same principle going on here. Every single dupe who fell for this con man needs to take a hard look inside & ask what it was in *them* that made them vulnerable to being played. With some it was just sheer greed, wanting something for nothing (Peggy from Florida: don’t have to worry about putting gas in my car, etc etc). With others it was silly sentimentalism & moral vanity — the desire to feel good about themselves for having been part of electing the first black POTUS; the appeal of a narcissist to other narcissists, ironically enough. For Obama it was always and ever about Obama. For tens of millions of these dupes, it was always and ever about their own emotions. Pulling the lever for O was shooting up with the Happy drug: “Look at MEEEEEEEE, I’m part of all this historic wonderfulness!”
There was never any magic. Just greed, sentimentalism, and vanity.
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BTW I have never gotten why the “what newspapers she reads” thing is such a BIG deal with the Palin critics. It always seems to get spun as, “she won’t say what she reads, therefore it must mean she can’t say, therefore it must mean she doesn’t read, the gobsmacking moose queen dummy.” My recollection of that episode from the Couric interview was that Palin’s initial answer was that she read a lot of everything, and when Couric pressed for specific titles, Palin actually did name a few, albeit quite reluctantly. What came across to me from that exchange was that Palin appeared nervous about being set up by the question. Were she to cite, “I read the Wall Street Journal, National Review, Human Events and Investor’s Business Daily,” Couric’s reply would have surely been, “WHAT??? Only publications that reinforce your ***own*** point of view? Shouldn’t you be reading across the entire spectrum of policy & opinion?”
And if Palin had tried to say that she did read the occasional TNR or Atlantic piece in addition to the publications listed above, Couric would still have slammed her: “So how can you really be familiar with the positions of your political opponents if you only read them ‘occasionally’?” In other words, no answer other than “Sure, Katie, I read [rattling off of half a dozen liberal and lefty journals]” was going to be deemed the “proper” answer, and the “proper” answer in the mouth of Palin would have rung immediately false.
IOW, Palin sensed the question was a trap and initially tried to be as vague as possible, in order to not leave herself open to the “narrow-minded parochial wingnut” slur. But that vagueness was turned against her, too, and she became, in the eyes of the left, the STOOPID & ILLITERATE narrow-minded parochial wingnut.
So does Katie Couric make herself as equally familiar with conservative & libertarian journals as she does with left-liberal publications? Does she give equal time to reading National Review, Reason, City-Journal, Human Events, Commentary & the American Spectator as she does to Mother Jones & Rolling Stone (the two likeliest to be on her level, IMO). One can safely bet that she does not. Because almost nobody does this. There are only 24 hours in a day. What limited time a person does have for reading, especially in-depth material, one is going to dedicate mostly to reading things written by one’s ideological friends.
The other thing at work in Couric’s question was snobbery. To the ruling class, their intellectual vanity is served by name-dropping about who and what they read. Remember David Brooks getting all tingly when he got into a discussion with Obama about Reinhold Niebuhr? Note how the discussion starts. It starts with *Brooks* saying he asked Obama “out of the blue” if Obama had ever read Niebuhr. To which Obama replied “I love him. He’s one of my favorite philosophers.” And it was off to the geek races. If you’ve ever seen those episodes of “Frasier” where Frasier and Niles out-snob one another in some back-and-forth rhapsody over Cheval Blanc 1961 … well, that’s what it must have looked like when Brooks & Obama got to talking about Niebuhr. Oh, the Promethian illusion! Oh, the humanity!
But why play the snobs’ game on the snobs’ court? By dropping journal titles & philosopher names in response to Katie Couric’s question, a conservative pol is merely dancing to the lefties’ tune, like an organ-grinder’s monkey.
Refusing to dance got Palin labeled a moron.
I would love to see what Chris Christie would do with such a question.
Can you even imagine Sara Palin saying that if she was elected President then people around the world would see who she is and then regard the USA in a completely different way? And that would change everything? We would not have to study war no more?
I can’t imagine that. No one is that stupid. Oh, well, One is.
But Sara Palin does present a danger, of sorts. If people look at her, see her as she is, what she has done and what she believes. And if they conclude that such a person can never become President of the US because of attitudes of the Elites, then they must ask inevitably themselves what that means to them personally. And the answer will bring the final and irrevocable disenfranchisement of the very people this country simply cannot afford to lose. The Right can’t lose them because they are their most important base. The Left can’t afford to lose them because they are the plowhorses that enable all those other groups a free ride.
In the end we may have to elect Sara Palin as President not because she is the best possible choice but because the consequences of not doing so would be too horrible to contemplate.
“How could we resist a man who simply by opening his mouth could move mountains — and who had ascended all the way to the presidency by staking his political life on his own eloquence? How could we resist a man who seemed so sure that we could not resist him?”
That one person could enthrall another seems to be a common human trait. Revivalist preachers, advertising campaigns, politicians and confidence men all seem to have the knack of manipulation. Or is it manipulation? Do we, as a species, simply crave that ‘tingle up my leg’ and invite the opportunities?
I’ve never thought of myself as a resonant cavity before, but Winston Churchill sure could tingle my spine.
RWE: ‘In the end we may have to elect Sara Palin as President not because she is the best possible choice but because the consequences of not doing so would be too horrible to contemplate’
If we drag her in kicking and screaming she could ligitimately maintain her freedom of maneuver.
I’m with W#17: much of Palin’s effectiveness would be lost as a candidate. I’d much rather see her continue as a gadfly, cheerleader, talent scout, den mother–all that stuff. Maintaining her freedom of movement she can be of greatest help to us all.
Like others above, I can also modestly state that from the beginning I saw O as a phoney, narcissistic anus; in fact, I looked up the definition of narcissistic just to be sure.
But, no–don’t tie ol’ Sarah down as a candidate ever again.
These people just flabbergast me. If you actually read Junod’s article, he goes on and on listing Obama’s sheer wonderfulness, and essentially winds up with “so how could this possibly be??” Then, there is a link to an election night column from him, where he goes on and on about how unutterably awful the Bush admin was, looks at the night’s results, and plaintively cries, “so how could this be??”
Remember, he is smarter than the rest of us. Just not smart enough to posit the most basic answer to his question – “Maybe my premise is wrong.”
Duh.
It’s the blind stupidity of our “smartest” that’s gonna kill ‘em.
In my professional life I have been around many very respected and influential people – prominent attorneys, medical school admission directors, officers of financial institutions, owners of medium size businesses. They had one thing in common – a knack for getting competent, talented people to enthusiastically work with them and for them. I suppose many of them were very, very smart but they never let that become a signature.
Ronald Reagan said “It’s amazing what you can accomplish by letting others take the credit”. Profound!
Sarah Palin seems to have that knack.
The Obama administration is an example of a new type of government: rule by mediocre leftest speech writers. That’s why they get the support of mediocre pundits: they belong to the same tribe. We need a word for this new sort of government. Rhetorigarchy? Rule by Rhetoricians. Hackistocracy? Rule by a class of political Hacks.
I think the Gerhard Schroder government in Germany early this century had many of the same aspects: spout off now, let the media declare you a genius later. Schroder hung out with radicals and terrorists and pushed the idea of the red/green coalition. He then posed as a member of the “mainstream” to gain power. Blamed Bush even before Obama blamed Bush. Probably still blames Bush. Now works of Putin. OK, maybe not directly…
http://www.answers.com/topic/nord-stream-ag
It’s all good. He’s a Socialist.
I read Google News every morning which means I read over 200 newspapers every day in the US alone. Thanks to Google traslate I read newspapers from over 60 countries in 45 different languages. I especially like the Czech papers and the Hong Kong cartoons.
I’m sure Palin reads online news aggregators. Only a narrow minded, idiot leftie relies on a single paper.
The LA Times describes the latest brain-wave of the political consultants. “Obama Goes for Broker”. The President will hold meetings with both Republican and Democratic legislative leaders so that he literally moves to the middle. Not the middle of the political spectrum. The middle of the table.
It’s a trap. The atmospherics and procedure of such a meeting would be stacked in the Democrat’s favor. The President, not Boehner or whoever, would chair this meeting. He would effectively be Speaker of that ersatz House and set the agenda. The Republicans would walk out of the meeting with agreement stuffed in their pockets and no freedom of action at all.
What the Repubs might do is offer a different format. “Let’s bring the Governors in”. “Let’s bring Bernanke in so we can ask him questions.” Chances are the President’s not going to like that so much. But the GOP would be on fairly good footing. Congress has the power of the purse. The first to find out is how much is in the purse.
Sarah Palin is Paul Revere. She’s the voice that reached the TIPPING POINT, and brought ordinary farmers to Bunker Hill.
Right now, the republican party is filled with young bloods who won their races. They’re not going to cow-tow to the senior members. Not if they want to survive, and reach goals on par with Chris Cristie, in New Jersey.
Plus, among the “young bloods” are the very Tea Party People that won MOST of their races this year. Not all? True. But where else did you ever see Karl Rove exposed?
Where else is it possible that the “write-in” candidacy of Lisa Murkowski is based on a SHAM?
Oh, you don’t expect books to come out of this, huh? Well, I do. And, if nothing else Sarah Palin can sell books!
Now, if you look at a map, in all the red states there are enough voters willing to go to the polls, that the few states the democrats own are all very liberal ones.
You also don’t talk of Meg Whitman’s failures. But nobody accounted for those who have hostility to eBay. And, who hate Paypal. Plus, a week before the elections, Carly Fiona was re-hospitalized. Yes. I think that gave Boxer an advantage.
As to what the republicans have? Harry Reid’s still in the senate. But I’ll bet there’ll be LESS comity than ever before. Just guessing, but 2012 should favor the republicans. Look. They have Marco Rubio who will be a rising star.
And, on TV? Sarah Palin contributes to Fox. And, maybe, someday they’ll have on Karl Rove … and Christine O’Donnell. Wouldn’t viewership go up? What about AFTER she publishes her first book? So few states are blue. Wouldn’t you like to learn how Karl Rove helped Coons? Murkowski? Hm? Ready to forget so soon?
I am going to violate Godwin’s Law, but in reading Junod’s piece I kept thinking this is almost exactly how millions of Germans viewed Adolf Hitler ca. 1940. And, how Hitler viewed himself.
But we are supposed to take Cohen seriously, that Palin is a demagogue?
No, Obama is the demagogue, Palin is (just) at worst, a populist politician.
I agree AND disagree (Does that make me a Liberal?).
Palin has talent. She CAN be elected POTUS. If conservatives had done better in CA. she would be a shoe in. Remember, as bad as it was for the Socialist/Democrats in the House, it was MUCH MUCH worse on the State and Local level. That will translate into many many EV’s in 2012. Remember, it will be Republicans counting the votes in 2012, thanks to this election. Absentee ballots from the Military WILL be counted. Corpses won’t. Labor Unions won’t be anywhere close to the ballot boxes.
So Sara has a leg up on the pack. Plus Steele likes her, or appears to. And all those people that were crying for his head 4 months ago are busy polishing the glass in the trophy case today. Steele will get at least two more years, if he wants them.
Although I wouldn’t be surprise to see the Obomination ask some Republicans to serve as Cabinet officers. That way he could claim he was reaching out while burying them in a back room. Steele would be ideal for that.
Call me naive again, but I think that if Sara’s family says, ‘please don’t run Mom’ she won’t.
Liberals ALWAYS call you stupid when you prove they are wrong about anything. It is a reflex action, sort of like the dog and the bell only less savory.
I don’t see Sarah Palin running for President in 2012 (although I am looking forward to having the privilege of voting for her again someday – just like I hope to get the opportunity to vote for Bobby Jindal one of these days). I don’t think that “the next campaign” is the way her mind works. Everyone is forgetting that her history is of a woman who makes deliberate decisions that fit the needs of the future – no one “embraces change” with the legitimacy that Sarah Palin does. She is not shackled to yesterday’s best plan, she’s attentive to new information and is not surprised by the unexpected.
She neither runs nor holds office for her ego – she has been a candidate only at those places and times that running for office made sense as a movement toward repairing something broken. Her history proves her integrity: she stays always focused on making things right.
So when, as Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil & Gas Conservation Commission, she found that it was not sufficient to combat unethical behavior within the industry when questionable activities and ethical disinterest were rampant among the Republican party leadership, she did the ethical thing: she first resigned, and announced why. Then she filed good-faith complaints against those who were engaged in shady dealings.
And the minute she determined that the most fixable break in the Alaska Governorship was the incessant filing of complaints against her in effort to push her off of the public stage, she elegantly and simply fixed two problems at once by doing the smart thing.
Just the way the Roadrunner would take a simple step to the right at the very last minute, and watch in bemusement as Wyl E. Coyote jumped right off the cliff.
The political class twittered that her resignation would be the “end of her career”. They had no clue what her career was. I’ll say this: it wasn’t – and isn’t – “being a politician”.
The media wanted to censor her, ridicule her, play her for a chump. From the White House Press Corps to JournoList, they bent their ethics to try to keep their “access”. She took a simple step to the right and made a Facebook page. Suddenly even the President was spending time explaining why he wasn’t going to take advice from Sarah Palin.
There’s access – and there’s access.
Sarah Palin has the kind of access the ordinary American is born with. That’s why she terrifies the Progressives. She’s untouchable, and she is proof the species is not only not extinct, but is alive and thriving. A person whose self is whole and inviolable. Who can’t be manipulated. Who doesn’t seek favor from those who set her up for a fall and then are angry that she’s unaware of their ridicule – and she wouldn’t be interested even if she were.
Sarah Palin’s interest is not in “Being First Woman President”. Her interest is in fixing a broken government. And she will never have to throw her hat into the ring again to do that. I hope she will – but if she does, she will only do so when it makes sense from inside her own home and her own head and her own heart as the right time and the surest means of fixing the broken stuff she’s interested in fixing.
Napoleon once said he could make men die for little bits of colored ribbon. Somewhere along the line politicians in Washington discovered you could get journalists to do nearly the same thing by paying them in ego points. Invitations, little coffees, calls on the cell phone, accreditation. Let them get a little glimpse of power. The marble staircase, the uniformed guards, the security elevators, the bodyguards in tuxedos. Nickel and dime stuff and yet this forms the core of the most corrupting influence there is.
But that’s not all. Make them feel they’re part of some great pure and crystalline cause. Let them in on the secret and enlist them in the crusade you’ll get some of them to be your acolytes for life. The tragedy is this: “the mediocre leftist speechwriters” have been had. They’re no more in control than fleas on a dog. They’re going to be used by the players and there isn’t a damned thing they can do about it. The game is set up that way. The players have their own secret councils, the ones that count and there ain’t no passes or invites into those coffee klatches unless you’ve got real money, real power to get past the bouncer. Speechwriters don’t count.
The only way a “mediocre leftist speechwriter” is going to get real power is going outside. That’s where Palin is. But it’s cold and lonely out there and at least, Palin had independent stature and perhaps the means to see her through. As the MSM industry frays, however, the smarter guys are going to realize that there’s no future in that line of work. Not for most of them anyway. And that’s where life can begin.
Obama Goes for Broker
It could work. The precedent is the US judicial system, where an impartial arbiter judges two adversaries. Of course that’s not Obama’s leftard idea of social justice, but being a law student and all, he may at least have heard of it. Obama has already proven worse than useless as an executive, so why not promote himself to Caliph, er, justice?
But back to the original topic, I just don’t get it, has nobody today heard the news that all politicians lie? How did this messianic frenzy get off the ground? My only guess is that the average IQ must have declined to somewhere south of 70, probably as a result of microwave radiation from cell phones.
Personally I would like to see Palin become President. I believe her heart, mind and soul are all in the right place. I believe her instincts and gut are spot on. Not flawless. But where they need to be. Mrs P has all the qualities to be a successful President, IMHO. She is humble and “smart” enough to know that she will need the advice and help of others to govern successfully. Her brief time as Governor of Alaska showed that she focuses on priorities and has the ability to reach consensus and get things done. Whether or not the American people would give her the chance is another question. But thing to remember is she is only 46. Plenty of time for her to win hearts and minds. One quick story of how this is happening on the ground as we “speak”. One of my co-workers out here the land of fruits and nuts (CA) is from Ohio. Traditional union/Democrat kind of guy. Big on worker and healthcare issues. A year ago someone mentioned Palin and his response was “I can’t stand that lady.” Fast forward to this year. Again Palin’s name was brought up and this time the reply was, “I really like her. After all the crap that’s been thrown at her and she just keeps going. One gutsy lady.” I am quite sure that there are legions of folks just like my co-worker that Palin over the last two years has earned their respect. And isn’t that really what we want in our leaders? Someone we respect. We may not agree with them, or even like them, but we want to respect him or her. Something that Barry O has never understood. Mrs P does. I hope some day that Sarah Palin is at the podium and a reporter stands up to ask her a question and says, “Madame President…….” Has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
One more thing: the Left has never understood that Sarah Palin is the Obi Wan Kenobi of American politics. “If you strike me down I will become more powerful that you can possibly imagine.” Every attack against her only seems to make her stronger. It is amazing to watch.
My great hope is that Sarah Palin may resist the temptations of office long enough to realize that there are sometimes greater things in life than to be President, and have the strength to grasp that bitter cup with both hands until she is sure her job is done.
I love you for this paragraph, Wretchard. To my mind, she has already demonstrated her resistance along with a keen wisdom unconcerned with slights from her supposed superiors. She brings serious fear to our opponents and they do a poor job masking that fear in ridicule.
Keep on keepin’ on, Mama Grizzly!
Wretchard @32 writes:
This is exactly what the Republicans need to do, over the next two years.
In fact, the Republicans have been blessed by winning the House, and not having a majority in the Senate — thus they don’t have the false illusion of power that wining both houses would bring.
This makes the reality much easier to recognize, the house can’t do much positive, only negative (don’t fund as much of the government, don’t enact new programs like Cap & Trade).
This therefore gives the Republicans a real opportunity to leverage their true power they won in this election.
As many have written elsewhere, the gain at the state level (14 legislatures, 680 seats) is much more massive (overall) than what happened in congress.
Thus, its in the House Republicans best interest to bring in the lever of the states and use it against Obama.
John Boehner is running for the office of speaker of the house & has posted his governing plan for the speaker.
If you read his article, you will notice the strong emphasis on decentralization away from the office of the speaker.
Now the House Republicans, have to take that one step further, and decentralize to the states …
In fact, if they do so, they might lose the moniker of the ‘stupid party’…. Hope springs eternal!
Obama had no ‘vision’; he had a PR campaign. It was all about the public’s vision of Obama, not Obama’s vision for the public. I hope Palin won’t do him the honor of running against him in the next election. She’s a really young woman, politically speaking, so what’s the rush? I would rather see Hillary face Obama in a power struggle for control of the Dem nomination and kick him to the curb. Or, as some have suggested is likely, some scandal will blow up in the next two years and Obama will resign in disgrace, and Hillary will be the de facto nominee. He is not a worthy opponent for Palin, and she has many, many years to sit back and let her power accumulate as her enemies and detractors fall on their own swords. Someone like Romney could easily win in 2012 and it would be no loss for her. She’s a general and time is on her side.
Great riff tonight.
The great Jim March once wrote:
There is something different about having responsibility for an organization, a social system. You think when you’re put “in charge,” that you can pretty much do what you want. But once you’re in the pilot’s chair, you find out that acting just as you wish is a sure-fire way to drive people away – good people, anyway. You’re soon left with sycophants and toadies who tell you what you want to hear, not the truth. And before long, the truth walks up and smacks you in the face.
That is what happened on Tuesday to the President. After exercising terrible autonomy over the last two years – ramming unpopular legislation through Congress for the sake of a hoped-for historical legacy, playing dozens of rounds of golf, vacationing 4 times during the summer, “I won,” living large at the WH, etc. – the power was drained away. No social system can tolerate autonomous power. All leaders must learn it, or fail. But sometimes it takes decades before such a “teachable moment” occurs.
Every night, my grandfather (L1) used to come home from work and pour himself a scotch and water at his bar adjacent to the dining room. A tall, lanky German carpenter by trade, he had a knack for organizing projects and people to get things done. The scotch helped him unwind, take the edge off.
Anyway, above this bar, he had a sign that looked like it once hung in a Bavarian biergarten, with a message that has stuck with me over the years:
Indeed.
L3
a knack for organizing projects and people to get things done.
On that score, Pete Hegseth notes that six of the new Rs are military veterans:
“On Tuesday, six Iraq and Afghanistan veterans were elected to Congress (and possibly seven, if Jesse Kelly pulls out his race in Arizona’s 8th district). All six (seven) of them support victory on the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan and a hawkish national-security posture overall. The impressive list of warriors:
– Lt. Col. Allen West (FL-22) – Iraq, Afghanistan, & Gulf wars
– Lt. Col. Steve Stivers (OH-15) — Iraq war
– Capt. Adam Kinzinger (IL-11) — Iraq & Afghanistan wars
– Col. Joe Heck (NV-3) — Iraq war
– Maj. Tim Griffin (AR-2) — Iraq war
– Col. Chris Gibson (NY-20) — Iraq war (4 tours)
These warriors — and the two pro-victory Iraq veterans already in Congress (Duncan Hunter and Mike Coffman) — constitute a formidable new Victory caucus in the House. All eight (or nine) Iraq and Afghanistan veterans — an infantry-squad-sized element of Republicans — speak with special authority on very important issues facing the next Congress, especially winning the war in Afghanistan, winning the peace in Iraq, preventing a nuclear-armed Iran, and ensuring that the Pentagon has adequate resources to project American power and preserve American interests around the world.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/252476/new-victory-caucus-congress-pete-hegseth
And the Mama Grizzly’s son did a tour of duty in Iraq.
Whiskey has written an extensive analysis of the recent election at his blog:
The Election Results: Go Hunk, Avoid Women
Read the whole thing. He is saying that conservative women can’t win, because the majority of women won’t vote for them. It mostly applies in urban and suburban areas, less so in rural places. For example, a conservative woman can win a congressional or gubernatorial race in a more rural state, but not a statewide race where there are large cities and suburban areas. And probably not a national race, where the blue states count for a lot of electoral votes.
It’s a pretty dark and depressing analysis, and I’d love to see someone refute it. Not just disagree with it, but actually offer evidence to refute it. Somebody said here the other night that women voted against Christine O’Donnell 61-36. That’s pretty lopsided, and frustrating to me, since as a man, I’m happy to support a female candidate with good values and principles. In my opinion, Sarah Palin is far and away the best candidate for President in 2012. But if Whiskey is right, if she runs, she will lose.
I’ve been linking that article everywhere I go, because I think his thesis needs to be discussed. Ideally it should make its way to blogs that are mostly frequented by women. I don’t know what those blogs are, though.
The mark of great generals is how they handle retreats. In this Washington was second to none. It takes both great military skill and great force of character and leadership to keep an army together in a retreat and Washington basically retreated all the way to Yorktown where he accepted Cornwallis surrender. Pretty nifty feat.
Likewise great political leaders are marked out by how they handle their defeats. DeGaulle, Churchill, Deng Xiaoping, Lincoln, Truman, Reagan all suffered stinging political defeats and years in the political wilderness during their careers and were able to come back because the possessed mental toughness, had the courage of their convictions, but more had the ability to learn from their mistakes and change course without changing principles. Some men define themselves by the aura of the office and others give their aura to the office. I guess we will find out which it is going to be with Obama. This is the first real setback in his political career or life for that matter.
Junod embodies the left, which thirsts after the momentous, the legendary, the transcendental; that he and his fellow travelers stood still and didn’t rush laughing for the exits while Obama spoke about ‘the seas receding’ shows their desperation for a politics beyond politics, something ineffable, otherworldly, transcendental. Rock stardom. That is why they hate Palin, an intelligent, beautiful woman rooted in the commonplaces of family, church and the humanly achievable.
I find this quote from Montaigne ‘On Experience’ more than apt (hat tip: Harold Bloom, “The Western Canon”):
“They would put themselves out of themselves, and escape from being men; which is folly; instead of transforming themselves into angels, they transform themselves into beasts; instead of elevating, they lay themselves lower. These transcendental humours affright me, like high and inaccessible cliffs and precipices; and nothing is harder for me to digest in the life of Socrates than his ecstasies and communication with demons; nothing so human in Plato as that for which they say he was called divine; and of our sciences, those seem to be the most terrestrial and low that are highest mounted; and I find nothing so humble and mortal in the life of Alexander, as his fancies about his immortalisation. Philotas pleasantly tweaked him when he congratulated Alexander by letter concerning the oracle of Jupiter Hammon, which had placed him amongst the gods : ‘Upon your account, I am glad of it, but the men are to be pitied who are to live with a man, and to obey him, who exceeds and is not content with the measure of a man.’
…It is an absolute and, as it were, a divine perfection, for a man to know how loyally to enjoy his being. We seek other conditions, by reason we do not understand the use of our own; and go out of ourselves, because we know not how there to reside. Is it to much purpose to go upon stilts, for, when upon stilts, we must yet walk with our legs; and, when seated upon the most elevated throne in the world, we are but seated upon our own rump. The fairest lives, in my opinion, are those which regularly accommodate themselves to the common and human model; without miracle, without extravagance.”
Stephanie @ 42: “She’s a general and time is on her side.”
I doubt that time is on the side of any US political figure. All it takes is a little more “Quantitative Easing”, more scrip-issuing by California, bankruptcy in New York State, or Lord knows what trouble in the rest of the world — and the game will be completely changed. Not for the better.
But it may not be too hard to say goodbye to a world in which Christine O’Donnell is reviled and Al Franken is Senator.
rickl #45
You might start with Helen Smith’s blog: http://drhelen.blogspot.com/. Smith is a forensic psychologist who keeps Instapundit in line in her spare time. She has a post up from Wednesday about the recent shift in women’s voting habits. She also has a blog roll that lists Althouse and the Anchoress, both of whom have a fair number of women readers.
Neo-NeoCon you already know about. I’d also recommend Sisu (Sissy Willis) at http://sisu.typepad.com/ and Dr. Sanity (Pat Santy) at http://drsanity.blogspot.com/. Dr. Sanity (a psychiatrist with a specialty in aerospace medicine) often posts about lefty women’s hysteria when confronted by conservative women. Hope this helps, good luck– and enjoy!
Read the whole thing. He is saying that conservative women can’t win, because the majority of women won’t vote for them. It mostly applies in urban and suburban areas, less so in rural places.
Yet Nancy Pelosi believes she still deserves to be minority leader, her recent defeats notwithstanding. ABC News says:
Pelosi is assuming a brand-loyal voting model that is almost impervious to performance or the lack of it.
Maybe we’re observing the effect of differential exposure rather than gender. Women may be in far more extensive contact with educational institutions, activist organizations, TV and mass media than men. They get the liberal medicine day in and day out.
They are also told who they should be like. These outlets give them “role models” like Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton and maybe Rihanna. By contrast men also have strong traditional professional role models which have not yet been wholly deconstructed. So there’s still some immunity there. Since the packaged culture is much more intensely marketed in urban, rather than rural areas, you would expect to see urban, formally educated women voting for the Pelosis of the world. One would expect men exposed to the same degree to vote Pelosi too. I don’t know. Maybe someone does.
If so liberal gender bias is not innate. It is just consequent. If you create other role models, like the Palins and the Fiorinas and combine that with rival memes, then the liberal dominance may wither rather abruptly. Basically you can’t convert someone away from a cult unless you’ve got a belief system of your own. For too long the liberals have had the field. A little competition could even it out.
#45 — It’s a pretty dark and depressing analysis, and I’d love to see someone refute it. Not just disagree with it, but actually offer evidence to refute it.
Not going to happen. More men than women work jobs that can be whacked, and men see the world differently. Women tend to work at schools, hospitals, insurance offices, etc. whereas men tend to be found more in industry.
My female neighbour insurance agent has, if you think about it, a secure job with a state mandated supply if customers. Nobody is supposed to drive without it. Me, I’m an engineer, and there’s no state mandate dictating that all of you buy what I invent for my company. Either my tean and I are clever and do well or my department or company folds. There is no state mandated security. Every single day, it’s possible competitor X can invent something that obsoletes our business overnight. Or the state can impose a rule that effectively puts us out of business. Result is the same: no job. Sure, I tend to make more income than insurance agents and teachers, but the downside is a lack of any security at all.
It’s not just women. The same phenomenon holds true for men who work jobs that are guaranteed one way or another by the state. Teachers tend to be democrats. It’s not the union that does it, nor is it academia; it’s the job security.
I live in a small town and it’s easy to see this phenomenon: for the most part the teachers and the hospital workers and those either in state jobs or jobs that are secured by state fiat? Democrat. Those running stores or commuting to their factory jobs? Republicans. I reckon what is true where I live is likely true enough everywhere: the more absolute security you have from the state in your job, the more likely you are to be a democrat. Are there exceptions? Of course. But that seems to be the general rule.
Now consider that more females than males have high security or state mandated jobs. What do you think the ratio is of people in the US that have ultra-secure jobs? We’re talking everything from direct government employees like the lady at the DMV counter all the way to insurance agents, nurses to cops to those who work for the utility monopolies. The answer is frightening; my guess is 50% or more.
Female candidates probably don’t do well because as your linked article suggests, the average female voters aren’t connecting to the republican message, which, when you think about it, fiscal conservatism is ultimately about job security. If you already *have* the superb job security state mandated jobs give you, what part of fiscal conservatism is making sense to you? Not much.
Now, combine that tendency with republican tendency to go unhinged with the social conservative agenda, and you have a fairly poisonous message mix that will *never* reach that part of the electorate who have that kind of job security. To that add the “women of colour” who voted someething like 80% for Jerry Brown in CA due to their thinking Whitman was ultimately a “seal the borders and get rid of the mexicans” social conservative.
As a lagniappe to a marvelous thread, here’s Claire Berlinski (via Ace of Spades) on the utter loathing of the English bien-pensant class for Margaret Thatcher. Reminds me of our commentariat’s reaction to Sarah Palin. (May we please stop calling them “elites” and go back to “snobs”? we’re only encouraging them. . . .)
‘When asked why intellectuals loathed her so, the theatre producer Jonathan Miller replied that it was “self-evident” – they were nauseated by her “odious suburban gentility.” The philosopher Mary Warnock deplored Thatcher’s “neat, well-groomed clothes and hair, packaged together in a way that’s not exactly vulgar, just low,” embodying “the worst of the lower-middle class.” This filled Warnock with “a kind of rage.”’
Loathing. Nausea. Rage.
Matt Beck nailed Obama’s rhetorical style.
Sarah Palin, “ronin.” That might just be brilliant.
I was never taken in by Obama’s supposed great oratory either. He always sounded like a two-bit impersonator trying to mimic a holy rolling preacher. It was all to artificial and staged for me.
It was also vague and open-ended. What was his only real claim to (personal) success before the 2008 campaign? It wasn’t any of his political victories – those were arraigned by the Chicago political machine (his opponents kept conveniently dropping out of the race at the best possible time for Obama). It wasn’t his brilliance as a Community Organizer – even Obama himself admitted he wasn’t getting anything done. Certainly his academic tenure was of no special note.
Nope, the only thing he ever did before his campaign that was a success was he wrote a couple of books. I know there’s some speculation the books were ghostwritten, but I’m willing to believe Obama wrote them himself, because his entire campaign was one giant author’s trick.
The trick of leaving the canvas mostly blank. Paint with broad strokes and let the reader fill in the blanks. The reader will fill the blanks in with what the reader thinks should be there. Want the leading man to be handsome and debonair? Don’t go into minute detail about his eye color, hair length, the cut of his jacket, or the shape of his face. The guy you describe in exacting detail might not be what your reader thinks of as handsome and debonair. No, just be general about it, write “He walked in the room and all the female heads turned slightly to follow him. He was handsome, and jackets seemed to have been invented for him to wear.” Your female readers will imagine that he looks just like what they think a handsome man ought to look like.
So too with Obama’s speeches. He didn’t describe much in detail, just said banal crap like “We are the one’s we’ve been waiting for” and people ate it up. Projected their own ideas, policies, and agendas onto him. He never said what sort of change he was promising, and his voters just assumed it was whatever change they wanted.
I think it marked an ebb in the intelligence of the American voter. People were vulnerable, having been let down by Bush and the GOP, and ready to fall for something. Obama had the right message for that particular moment.
And of course he didn’t deliver any of the promises they thought he’d made, because he never really made them, they just assumed he had. Now those people are standing around wondering what happened to the promethian giant they voted for. All they see now is a skinny twerp saying all the wrong things.
The skinny twerp saying all the wrong things is the same guy they voted for, but now he has to fill in the details and they don’t jive with what got projected. But “smart” people like Junod can’t accept that they were so damned foolish, so they have to come up with ways that Obama has wilted, shrunk, or lost some gift.
It’s a trap. The atmospherics and procedure of such a meeting would be stacked in the Democrat’s favor. The President, not Boehner or whoever, would chair this meeting. He would effectively be Speaker of that ersatz House and set the agenda. The Republicans would walk out of the meeting with agreement stuffed in their pockets and no freedom of action at all.
I have no doubt that any previous GOP Congress would have walked – probably sprinted – into that trap without a moment’s hesitation. The new one certainly might, but there’s a chance it may have just enough new members with brains and old members with grudges to refuse the offer.
Hmmm, should’ve been blockquotes around the first paragraph of 54. Dunno what happened.
Why bother chewing on this? “Barack Obama and Sarah Palin represent two different types of politicians.” The former is a crook, the latter has character, and there the story ends. Walt @19 gets the rest, fast.
Wretchard at #50: One would expect men exposed to the same degree to vote Pelosi too.
Yep– see Ed Driscoll’s review of William McGowan’s new book, Gray Lady Down, which includes an excerpt from the book:
“Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., the publisher [aka Princess Caroline's boyfriend, too], responded to a query from Okrent by saying that he preferred to call the paper’s viewpoint ‘urban.’ The tumultuous, polyglot metropolitan environment that the Times occupies meant that ‘We’re less easily shocked,’ Sulzberger said. He maintained that the paper reflected ‘a value system that recognizes the power of flexibility.’ But the cat was out of the bag. An authoritative voice at the Times had said, in effect, that the paper’s views—especially in matters of culture—were characterized by moral relativism and a celebration of the transgressive over traditional American norms and values.”
http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/2010/11/03/how-the-gray-lady-became-margaret-dumont/#comments
With the exception of MoDo, most of the Times‘s really annoying columnists–Friedman, Rich, Krugman, Herbert– are men. So there must be a fairly sizable male readership for this stuff. Per G.L. Alston at #51, maybe journalists think they have more job security than they really do. I wonder how many Dem voters (of either sex) are going to find their “secure” jobs axed in the next few years.
Whitman lost in CA for three very simple reasons:
1) Voters hate it when someone attempts to buy an election. It was Whitman 24/7 in your face with the ads. Rock rib Republican my whole life. In the voting booth nearly pushed the button for Brown because of it.
2) She gave no one a real reason to vote for her. Blah, blah, blah is all we heard out of her. No fire, no passion, no commitment to any concrete anything. It was straight vanilla claptrap. Then she pull a John Kerry on immigration. She was for it before she was against it. I really, really wanted a “Unacceptable choices. Do over” button in the voting booth.
3)My 21 year old son disliked Meg from the start. Said she reminded him of some old rich lady who has travelled the world, been there, done that and now is bored and wants to buy a really expensive and rare dog because she can. Ouch!
Same thing will happen to Romney if he is, heaven forbid, the nominee in 2012. Meg, btw, was his “girl”. And Palin stayed far, far away from Whitman to her credit. Wish she had done the same with Fiorina, who also ran a “I really can’t give you a good reason to vote for me” campaign. She should have been throwing haymakers 24/7 at Boxer. Milk toast doesn’t win elections.
I lurve Sarah Palin. The only thing standing between her and the White House is a voice coach. I’m convinced many people — especially intellectuals — cannot get past her Valley Girl intonation and pitch. Yet, what comes out of her mouth and off her keyboard is usually common sense, well thought out, and grounded in a respect for individual liberty. It’s Beethoven’s Fifth in content, but it’s being played on something like a hurdy gurdy.
Sarah Palin has gone from playing Boudicca to the role of dux bellorum. She doesn’t need an office or money or an organization to do that. Amazing.
“As the MSM industry frays, however, the smarter guys are going to realize that there’s no future in that line of work”
Absolutley. Then the problem will be keeping them out of bars and away from playgrounds. Maybe Journolist will morph into some AA type thingie.
Please note that Fancy Nancy is exhibiting 3rd world behavior. A big part of the reason the 3rd world is the 3rd world is because they disconnect performance from advancement. Strategypage has a good article on that;
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/articles/20101104.aspx
Socialists don’t advance thru the ranks by performance. They advance by knowing the right people. Keep advancing and live long enough and you become the right person, regardless of your performance. The Peter Principal without the pre-sort.
So Nancy will keep her position. Even after she leads the way to bigger loses in 2012. Republicans should smile and remember that you never interrupt your opponent while they are making a mistake.
The Democrats are choking on Nancy. Give them a few more helpings.
Do you really think, any of you, that it matters who holds the flusher of the toilet flushing you away? Conservatives and Republicans can do nothing to sponge up the $trillions of unbacked dollars that are going to kill your economy.
Foreigners will back your fake dollar only until the Chinese can convince its HOME market to consume its products. Once they do, they can afford to dump your dollars, buy gold and silver and demand that YOU pay in gold and silver if you want “cheap” Chinese goods. Once the Chinese demand gold from you, so will everyone else – including Israel. Your dollar will be worth less than toilet paper.
You have no manufacturing base at all, and you haven’t the capability of rebuilding one either.
Oh, you sad lot of fools!!
Ruvy — visit concessions, get yourself another beer, and watch the rest of us play the game of our lives.
*Flight to Varennes.
“But two years ago in London, Obama and his economic team were greeted at the G-20 summit as something akin to rock stars.”
“”The rest of the world is looking more like the tea party,” which wants to rein in government spending, according to Kenneth Rogoff, a former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund.”
“Obama Faces Chillier Reception Abroad”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/05/obama-faces-chillier-reception-abroad/
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*Flight to Varennes: Fear >
“The Flight to Varennes ****
Fear > The Flight to Varennes … Unfortunately for the King, the royal party made it only as far as the small town of Varennes. A man called Drouet, who was a local postmaster, recognized them.”
http://library.thinkquest.org/C006257/revolution/flight_to.shtml
I finally figured out what that talent of yours is, Richard. You are able to collate all this disparate data we’re immersed in and able to generate coherent signals out of it. Impressive is not the word.
You hit upon something which jaded as I am, I am resistant to consider; that the woman might be as good and as decent as I imagine, which is why so many Americans instinctually react to her, pro and con.
JFK, still held in high esteem by the left even though they’ve shifted way from many of his stances, said, “Ask not your country can do from you, but what you can do for your country.” The left has twisted that to be, “Your country knows what’s best for you, so shut up and let us do it.”
The idea that Sarah Palin is the real deal, someone who REALLY likes her country, and is REALLY as selfless about looking after as she seems has to both appall the Left, and set of every bulls*** monitor in their head. The post-ironic hipsters cannot comprehend the possibility of a pre-ironic:
“a passion about the ridiculous and a blowtorch kind of sincerity that incinerates logical thinking.”
Confronted with one, they think it MUST be something else, so they at turns see a simpleton or a scheming conservative Machiavelli playing at a role, but coming take their power for her own. In that sense, Cohen was on target when he says her mind “is a foreign country”. It truly is to Cohen, and to a great many others who simply cannot see what she sees and thus presume her insane.
This past Tuesday’s results, then, might then be explained as the Richard Cohen’s in office, unable to comprehend how the public were seeing their actions and their attitudes, ignored them as a mindless fringe, and thus had their heads handed to them. This continues as they do a post-mortem, thinking everything else was the reason except the possibility that they were wrong.
I hope that continues, because then it means more clueless behavior which will damage their cause.
This isn’t a simple question…because sometimes “to be a king” is to be “the greatest man in the world:”
And when such a man moves to the fore, it’s never mattered whether we called him a king or not – and it never will.
Thanks for a great article. And a special thanks for all the great comments! I haven’t had time to read them all, yet, but so far (I’ve gotten to #22) they’ve been great. I look forward to reading the rest, but I must dash off to work now.
Thanks all!
You know that Sarah Palin’s disdain for newspapers would probably be portrayed as hip and edgy and progressive if she hung out on the left. I can imagine how it would sound:
“Oh Sarah, you are just way ahead of everyone as usual Girlfriend. Those urban broadsheet dailies have been failing for years, and I would like to thank you for speaking truth to patriarchal power. Those reich wing squares don’t get it do they? Now tell us about your plan to keep the seas from rising!”
One additional thought on this…
What if one of the Left’s greatest weakness here is not comprehending, as King George, that Palin IS content to be a kingmaker and not the king? What if she is okay with being the stalking horse, the feint which draws enemy fire continually, while her comrades pour through the weak sections left in the line?
Could there be any sweeter revenge for Palin than to help completely devastate the Progressive movement in the United States, Presidency be damned?
I imagine Palin being surrounded by the enemy, their guns drawn, no escape, and being informed she’s been captured.
“Well, now, then that means me and your capital have something in common, dontcha’ know?”
I don’t mean to make this all about Palin. I am just beginning to see a more broader pattern of strategic action here. Whether it was organic or planned, it seems to be working damn well. Interesting…
because he had the power to summon inspiring rhetoric on command, which meant that he had the power to summon us on command.
I never found any of his words inspiring and could never understand the infatuation displayed by the crowds.
Now Wretchard, your #17, that was to me inspiring.
“One more thing: the Left has never understood that Sarah Palin is the Obi Wan Kenobi of American politics. “If you strike me down I will become more powerful that you can possibly imagine.” Every attack against her only seems to make her stronger.”
I told two of my liberal friends the same thing after they were mocking her about a year ago.
Who’s laughing now, boys?
Obama was, and is, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. I never understood the fascination. He sings a melodious tune, but the lyrics are meaningless.
Cohen might wake up and ask himself, honestly, what is so intellectually inspiring about the Washington elites? They can’t even balance a checkbook. The electorate has awakened. We’ve just begun to send these poseurs home.
Obama is portrayed in the liberal mind as this great highly trained prize fighter. The reality is the great prize fighter has a “glass jaw”—his own fragile ego, which until this time in his life has never really been challenged.
Rather than thinking of Obama as a prize fighter, think of him as the washed out character in the first “Rocky” film, the part played by Burgess Meredith. The old has-been prize fighter-cum-trainer visits Rocky and pulls out a packet of yellowed and dog-eared newspaper clippings as proof that he was once somebody.
Or, recall the Marlon Brando prize fighter in “On the Waterfront” who, realizing the corrupt life he had led, lamented, “I coulda been a contenda!”
With these in mind, imagine how pathetic Obama will be from now on, arguing to the world which has passed him by that he was a great lion of democratic values and that, but for supposed Republican obstructionism and a fickle public, he would have re-made the rough and tumble world into a liberal utopia.
On second thought, imagine Obama as post presidential Jimmy Carter reincarnated.
Pathetic.
Then, of course, we will always have the blind leading the blind.
Flight school students arrested
Concerns raised on antiterror net; 34 immigrants allegedly illegal
As this is written, the owner, an illegal alien, continues to do business and his illegal alien students are free on bond pending hearings (2015?).
In 2002, when my 11 year-old son’s rubber/plastic flip-flops were scrupulously examined by TSA, I knew the future would be filled with the surreal. TSA et al have not disappointed.
Sad to say, His Emptiness will continue down the path of incompetence and petulance. And he will be accommodated in this role, since this role fulfills the mission of his managers in Congress and the Administration, which will continue to portray him as a victim.
Peter Boston Wrote in post #2
“I must dance to the beat of a different drummer because I never saw Obama as anything other than a pathologically narcissistic asshole.”
Ditto here. I’m no savant but nothing about this administration surprises me.
Wretchard is it the animus of PJM proprietor Roger L Simon towards Sarah Palin, is that what pokes out in your peppering of your essay which otherwise marvelously lauds Palin with out of place gratuitous knocks of her?
Palin is no “odious comparison” to George Washington, she is in many ways a female version of that great man. Washington was not famous for his intellect, but rather for his courage, simplicity, boldness, equanimity, graciousness and persistence. All characteristics the two share. Both were born in areas which were frontier only a generation earlier, both happy in the frontier and in the city too. Both were great and constant communicators, dedicated to their family and loyal to their friends.
Palin would indeed make a superb President.
Palin has the opportunity to become her generation’s Limbaugh. That’s better than President.
Fact fix: Palin was born in the lower 48, but raised in Alaska.
Sara Palin lacks…what? I’ve heard this many times before-Would you care to mention a few of these lacks?
a woman in florida figured out almost 2 months ago that the obama bubble has burst:
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/sep/15/donna-joyce-latest-bubble-has-burst-the-one-as/
Sarah Palin may lack a lot of things to many people for many reasons.
She does have one important thing that I see, My Vote.
PA Cat at 44
Add Capt. Chip Cravaak to your list – Naval Academy grad w long career in naval aviation and a very very impressive individual. Did I mention that he is a very impressive man? He beat congressman for life Jim Oberstar in MN-8 an arrogant supporter of carbon cap and tax even though his district has iron mines, paper mills, manufacturing. Voted for Obamacare even though allegedly pro-life . Lives in a large home in Maryland. Takes the occasional bike ride in his district in MN to reconnect with us rustics and rubes.
IMO Cravaak’s victory is the highlight of the recent election.
“Sarah Palin may actually lack what it takes to be a successful president of the United States.”
Well, I’m glad right-wing pundits are starting to notice.
I would vote for SP in a second. Anyone who can coin the word ‘refudiate’ has my support.
But seriously, SP lives her values. Her life may be messy, but it’s real. BHO, in contrast, is all manufactured. Unaccomplished, unequipped for leadership, advancing through affirmative action, talking in banal lefty nonsense as if it was profound. The proverbial empty suit. Well, his party is over. I predict he will not run again.
By the way, the article and comments here are almost uniformly excellent. Another reason why pajamasmedia is a gem.
DD
Wretchard – #17 – absolutely right. Excellent analysis. That’s exactly what Palin did, freed herself to articulate and assist the groundswell of grassroots rejection of the Obama and Gang’s agenda.
That’s her role – not to be constrained by a role such as the presidency but to be the leader-of-the-people, someone who articulates, who publicizes, who supports and encourages the people to understand and know that they, not a Washington government, alone have the right to govern.
SL/59–I agree about Palin’s voice and have thought it for a long time. Watching her on Fox two nights ago I noticed again how nearly shrill her voice is and she also talks too fast, leaning forward slightly as she does so.
I suspect a good bit of this is tension, which would be normal for anyone coming before a camera but I’m a little surprised, given her degree in broadcasting, she’s not more aware of it.
A few years ago I read that Margaret Thatcher encountered the same thing early in her political career and was strongly advised to retain a voice coach, specifically to lower her pitch and slow her delivery. We all know the result.
The net effect is that Palin sounds like a chatterbox yet, if one reads her postings on the web and articles, the same content is revealed as pretty good stuff.
bvw #77, I agree. And like oldguy, I’d like to see some specific reasons why Sarah Palin isn’t qualified to be President.
I have a theory as to why so many women (and some men) don’t like her. Jealousy. Because she comes across as a sincere, what-you-see-is-what-you-get kind of a person – something really rare in a woman and increasingly rare in men. I think women in particular feel inadequate when they see Sarah Palin, because she isn’t faking it or playing a role. Women see what they could be (and aren’t), and they really don’t like it.
Bland alliterative rhetoric is not a vision. She’s never authored a substantive thought. It’s all “Gee whiz we should stop so much spending . . . golly wonkers I like a safe country . . . and all like that with the fresh drinking water and such . . . (refer to palm) . . . and the budget, too. So, yeah, we should be thankful for America.”
Vision? Not even close. She’s simply a pretty girl getting all the breaks, making a living off her looks. She’s the Ann-Margret of politics.
You fools want to imbue her with a vision, go right ahead, but I’m telling you this right now, you’re headed for a major disappointment.
The ancient Chinese Taoists felt strongly, through long observation, that Virtue is extremely powerful. And greatly underestimated. The Indian sadhu who wowed Hollywood many years ago, Yogananda, stressed in his very humourous autobiography the cumulative power of always speaking the truth. Sarah Palin is a devoted follower of the rabbi who impressed Pilate as a man with no guile. Sarah likes to say she’s “old school.” You bet she is. I noticed Sarah endorsed Tom Tancredo. Not long ago Tancredo was dissing the Thrilla from Wasilla. Sarah spoke up strongly for Juan Williams. Not long ago Juan was belittling the Arctic Fox. Joe Miller balked at declaring support for Palin as Prez, the Palins still have his back. Nicole Wallace, her former enemy, is now calling Sarah brilliant. Nothing amiss with comparing Sarah to Washington. George understood the astounding promise of America, and acted accordingly. Ben Franklin would have “got” Sarah Palin right off the bat. America is getting there day by day. Madame President in January, 2013? You betcha.
You know, the romanticism, the idealist irrationality of the Obama cult, the sense of The Grand Fight against All Evils, the notion of A Perfect World – and other similar messianic cults that reject reality and focus on the sublime is similar to that of Islamic fascism and jihadism.
I’m with Kinuachdrach @ 9 and oldguy @ 80.
Actually, Sarah Palin does NOT lack the qualities to be the President of the United States.
I can see the polling place where I would vote for Sarah from my house. I really can – it’s just at the end of my drive next to my woods.
Tom Junod at Esquire sees Obama as a rock star — a rock star from whom the spirits have unaccountably departed.
If you insist on using the rock star analogy for Obama, then he is merely the Milli Vanilli of politics. Let’s just “blame it on his brain…”
This is a really great article bringing out the contrasts between Obama and Palin, but I have to disagree on one thing: The idea that Gov Palin is somehow unfit to be president. More than any other politician, her speeches and articles have been grammatically picked apart, as if she has to pass some kind of school test to be deemed “relevant”. Her interviews with Couric and Gibson were edited to make her look bad, and unedited transcripts show relentless questioning, especially on social issue questions by Couric. She refused to accept Gov Palin’s answers. Liberal politicians are given a free pass for non-answers to similar questions.
If you look at Gov Palin’s record as Mayor of Wasilla and Governor of Alaska, they show a person who has the ability to work with people from both sides of the aisle and has a number of significant accomplishments including a much improved oil revenue sharing plan for Alaskans, and an agreement for a gas pipeline across Canada which will benefit all Americans. Compare that with Pres. Obama’s accomplishments in the Senate (?) and as community organizer, and who has better credentials for leadership of the US?
Palin may lack what is needed, and also may not lack what is needed. We don’t know at this point. I think it’s very clear that she would be better than Obama, but that is a very low bar to clear. (I’m just very thankful that he is such an inept manager, with no leadership traits. If was reasonably competent at working the system and managing others, we would really be screwed long-term.)
Here’s the thing. I have a Master’s degree, 34 years of experience as an educator, high school and college, at home and abroad. I’ve published over 100 articles in national publications. I read hours every day, pundits, classics, everything.
I’m not trying to boast here, just establish my “intellectual” credentials before making my point. And that is … how could anyone watch Sarah Palin’s interview with Chris Wallace and pronunce her fiercely stupid? I watched it and told my wife, “Paglia got Palin right: she really is smart. She has now learned the art of political rhetoric.”
Now if she is “fiercely stupid” then so am I. Either that, or I’m too damn partisan to allow my intellect to operate.
Of course, there is another possibility: Richard Cohen is the stupid one, the partisan one.
I’m choosing “C” for “Cohen.”
Tom Junod at Esquire sees Obama as a rock star —
Not such much a rock star but a pop star. Think Vanilla Ice. All marketing, not much real talent.
17. wretchard
My great hope is that Sarah Palin may resist the temptations of office long enough to realize that there are sometimes greater things in life than to be President, …
This is a truly surprising comment to hear from you. Whatever her other personal faults or qualities is it clear from even a cursory study of her public career that Palin ALREADY realizes this truth. The real question is whether she will be able to resist the temptations and corrupting influences of her public ascendancy and avoid losing that moral compass, as you alluded to in the second part of your comment:
…and have the strength to grasp that bitter cup with both hands until she is sure her job is done.
We shall see soon enough.
23. bogie wheel
The other thing at work in Couric’s question was snobbery. To the ruling class, their intellectual vanity is served by name-dropping about who and what they read. Remember David Brooks getting all tingly when he got into a discussion with Obama about Reinhold Niebuhr? … Oh, the Promethian illusion! Oh, the humanity!
Your example brings to mind the incident in the 2000 presidential campaign where George W. Bush was asked who was his favorite philosopher. When he answered “Jesus Christ. He changed my life.” the chattering snob class went into condescension overdrive.
Times like these remind me of the unparalleled reign of Elizabeth, daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn. The English seem to have a certain fondness of red-headed Celtic women. (Boadicea also comes to mind). Oh, she exercised a very capable mind, but that was less important than her allegiance to certain inner beliefs that guided her decisions. It seems likely that, like her father, she keep her own counsel regarding those core principles. Even William Cecil and Francis Walsingham were left to guess.
Was she a good leader? Based on results, one must conclude she was phenomenal. She inherited the ‘weak man of Europe’ and left behind the most powerful nation in the world, having defeated the Spanish Armada twice. What were those secret beliefs? Did she ever waiver or have doubts? Absolutely. Did she reject them? Probably not.
Unlike our current leader, she did not fail her country by misleading toward a fallacious ideology. She believed that when she had been spared from the Bell Tower, thus keeping her head, that she had a mission from God.
What matters for America is having the right goals and principles rather that inflated self-opinion and bankrupt philosophies. Palin would be a fine job, but there are others also. How can we know? Consider what she has already endured and what forces have been arrayed against her.
“Sarah for America!”
Indulge me one more comment and then back to lurk – always thought the Obama phenomena was straight out of Charles Mackay “Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds.” South Sea Island mania, tulip bulbs, the hula hoop, pet rock, various boy bands and teen heart throbs, internet stocks [e.g. pets.com], Lady Gaga, and myriad other such phenomena. The most expensive words in the English language: “This time it’s different.” Result is buy high and sell low. We are now looking at the aftermath of the political Obama bubble which has gone pop. Those inflated values will never be achieved again. Anyone still have that tingly feeling running up their leg?
No.2, Peter Boston. You took the words out of my mouth. I think more in depth analysis is a waste of time. I’d also add that I never saw him as ah-ah ah particularly ah-ah bright ah-ah ah-ah-ah either.
Like many others here, I would be happy to see Palin as President. She has the most important attributes: integrity, good common sense, and always the good of the country in mind. Wonkishness is way oversold. That’s why you have advisors.
But like some, I don’t think she can make it. For all the impact of alternative media, the MSM still has the ability to define people, almost at the drop of a hat. Some people manage to get out in front of the smear job and it never quite sticks. Others get branded by it immediately and can never shake it.
Fair or not, too many people have a sneering contempt for Palin. I don’t see her overcoming that. Maybe it’s because I live very near the foul, beating heart of the beast in NYC, but all during the 2008 election and to this day, Palin was a joke to people around here. You can always be sure of widespread agreement if you make some kind of crack about her, the viler the better.
This is where Whiskey’s analysis really strikes it. For the status obsessed urban centers, Palin is hopelessly gauche, even more so than Bush. Even though she’s beautiful and stylish, she was branded an ignorant rube and her two widely watched first interviews sealed the deal. It was a calamitous mistake on her part to step into that vipers den. Around here, any discussion of Palin devolves instantly into the Couric interview. “She didn’t even know what magazines she read!” “She can see Russia from her house!”
Whatever she’s done since doesn’t matter. It’s like those same two or three sound bites play endlessly in people’s heads, and nothing can dislodge them.
So running for the Presidency will be far too hard a slog, and she starts out way behind on the Electoral College count. Whiskey is also right that Liberal women despise her most of all (a great deal of it based on envy: she is not only sexier than most of them, she’s got a hot manly husband and she’s on TV all the time). Republicans need to go with a young, powerful male figure. The good news is we now have a bunch of them on the bench. I don’t know if they have enough time to marinate by 2012 however. Though something like a Rubio/West ticket might be just the thing.
If the Republicans run yet another old boy starched shirt country club hack, they will go down in flames.
Actually I no longer care whether she has what it takes to be a good president – I would love to see her elected just to watch liberal heads all over the world explode…which would be as much fun as watching John Boehner snatch the speaker’s gavel from Dame Nancy in January – stay tuned.
Meant to add to post at 103 that after getting burned in a bubble, now wiser but poorer investors often seek investments having real underlying value, or, to continue the analogy, a leader with underlying virtues and values.
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“Sarah Palin may actually lack what it takes to be a successful president of the United States.” Did Karl Rove write this piece? She has more of what it takes to be a successful president than any other 2012 wannabe!
zero has a problem that is allways going to dog him.
everyone has flaws.
thats reality.
his problem is not that he’s flawed, but that he has a hidden crack.
not just a flaw but something so fundamental that wont allow for the type of real vision and leadership needed to stay successful.
instead its like an amazing ship on the sea beautiful and loaded with fearsome ability,
with a rudder under water where it cant be seen that wont turn, jammed and cracked.
what good will all the rest do now that the course is in a different direction
engineer #83
Thank you for that addition to the list; I hope Pete Hegseth will take note too.
instead its like an amazing ship on the sea beautiful and loaded with fearsome ability,
with a rudder under water where it cant be seen that wont turn, jammed and cracked.
Interesting comparison; some of the “crew” have already jumped ship, as is well known. How many others will go down with Obama’s Bismarck?
At ‘cha Ruvy —
A message to you Ruvy: The US manufacturing base is still here, in its most elemental form. Like a mule kicks off a hard driver, our base has kicked off the leech class of management and unions of the last 40 years and is reconstituting and growing up from nigh-zero so the fancy Teds can’t as see it happening. But it is.
QE2 may actually boost it, too, and not for the sake of making a dollar cheaper, or for the sake of in-nation capacity, but for more earthier reasons: Dire Necessity. The same thing that created a massive canal system in the US in the three decades following the War of 1812.
Obama does not live within the real world; he lives within a ‘virtual’ world, a make-believe world that he probably moved into as a young boy when he psychologically moved into pathological clinical narcissism.
This virtual world, which he controls and authors, is made up only of people and issues that he feels he controls. He must control others or he, psychologically, feels endangered. He controls others by misinformation (constant lying), by emotional manipulation of fear and hope (the apocalypse will result if you don’t pass my Bills)..and, if you dissent, accusations of bias: racial, religious, political..and your lack of intelligence.
We can see his pathology by his naming those who might vote against Him as ‘enemies’, by his rejection of debate, by his insistence that He (and his World) are right and those who reject it are ignorant, befuddled, biased.
People keep expecting Obama to ‘get it’, to understand what is going on. But that’s an expectation of someone who is in touch with reality. Obama is not; he long ago rejected reality for his own world, a fictional world, where he and His Words alone control everything.
So, he feels that if he renames Islamic terrorism to ‘man-caused disasters’ or ‘overseas contingency’.then, Islamic jihadism will not exist.
Palin’s role is extremely important and is even more important, now, than a political role. She is the voice of the people. Sure, blogs and the internet can express the people, but her role as a public figure is to exponentially publicize the voice of the people. This is like increasing the sound by millions of decibels. She should not abandon that role to be President.
It is equally vital for the GOP to nominate their next presidential candidate from ‘outside the bubble’ of Old Washington. No to anyone from the past 2008 race; that includes ‘no’ to Romney, Huckabee, Gingrich..and Palin. Palin has a vital role that none of the above have. She is directly linked to all the voices of freedom of the USA. Not to GOP voices…but to all, GOP and Independents and even Democrats. She is apolitical. That’s vital. She should remain apolitical.
The next GOP nominee should be from one of the new bright young political minds – whether it be Cantor, Ryan, ..whoever…but no-one from the 2008 phase.
And leave Palin to her role – a role quite frankly unheard of and unused before in American politics – the voice of the people.
105) Peterike,
I agree – no matter how we would like the political system to work, “electability” needs to be considered when candidates are chosen. I think Palin has too much baggage (undeserved, in her case) to get past that in a Presidential campaign. Possibly being VP first would allow that, though.
I spent 45 minutes, carefully reading the article and all, repeat all 103 comments. Two points:
1. Are we talking about the same O’Bama who said, and I only supply a few of them: “I’ve visited all 57 States”? “Austrians speak Austrian”? “Europe is a country”? “Mexicans were here before America was even an idea”? Are we really talking about this fellow who’s just a fraud and nothing but a fraud, or some other non-existent “intellectually refined” BHO who only existed in the propaganda “media” for the gullible?
2. Sarah Palin, who this fellow O’Bama isn’t fit to shine her shoes, would have my vote if she would speak straight to the American people about some of the social challenges facing this country and especially islam and the illegals. The economic and fiscal issues are the same for all conservatives; it’s the social issues that will determine the outcome of both the GOP nomination and the 2012 Presidential election.
Wretchard @ 17 – Some look at history and see just the serpentine paths and machinations of mankind. Others see divine providence. Which is it? Forrest, Forrest Gump tried to explore that question. Certainly events seem to have contributed to election of an unqualified, petulant, self-deluded narcissist as President, simultaneously sweeping into power a majority in both houses. If the later, then discipline is not yet efficacious, for we are not decidedly transformed. That would mean a worsening catastrophe ahead. If the former, all bets are off because we are ‘on our own’. One radio jockey said it well, “if God doesn’t know how to get us out of this mess, then we’re in real trouble”. For my part, I do not doubt that circumstances could again conspire to sweep a humble person into a position to pull us back from the brink. Think Hadassah or Esther, if you will.
“And leave Palin to her role – a role quite frankly unheard of and unused before in American politics….”
Perhaps the best analogy to Sara Palin is not Obe Wan Kinobe but Sara Conner.
Warning everyone about the future, not taken seriously by the authorities, thought by some to be a terrorist and others or a nutjob. A gun toting momma grizzly that takes down great big shiny seemingly invincible political “machines.” Machines who, for all their power, never can seem to exterminate her.
And she even has son who is learning to be a military man.
Judgement Day is coming, but it will be on her terms.
Take THAT, James Effing Cameron!
Sarah’s complementing Ed Gillespie’s work well this year (he worked on state races). She might not be quite ready for President yet, though; right now, she’s kind of like a Konservative Kardashian-what’s her real job? She’s a celebrity? I understand why she felt she needed to resign in Alaska and all and I’m sympathetic, but the Left had a point in 2008 that she wasn’t experienced enough to be President (though it of course was a silly argument for them to make since she was running for the #2 and Obama, with a comparable amount of experience, was running for the #1 spot. We’re seeing how well THAT went.)
And Hillary’s toast: MSN’s homepage has an article about her possibly running for president in 2012, and the comments (at least the later ones) are ALL about…Sarah. Besides, Mrs Clinton earned a nasty reputation in DC for treating Little People like dirt–too many SS came home from work injured, having “taken one for the President”.
OT. I just saw (13:15 EST) a Drudge Report headline photo of an unemployment line. Admitting to some mild profiling, they all looked Hispanic to me. I wonder how legal they are? Maybe they would have gone home if 99 weeks of unemployment had not been available.
Just sayin’.
“he speaks well” that is so racist- ala Biden & REID- had any REP said anything as demeaning and patronizing they would’ve been run out of town
and it is also not true
if there was a drinking game to take a swig at every “UH” uttered by the ZERO- it would take less than 10 minutes to get soused
should they have said __ oh the black man can read? he is a good narrator?
UGH
Yes the biggest cirticism of SARAH is people don;t care for her dilivery her accent her gender
that is bigotry too
we need to get off the surface and see the character
good essay- Sarah has heart and sincerity – both anathema to the empty suit crowd who vote for the “look”
Rock star? Eloquence? I still don’t get it. Every speech I ever heard from him – the 2004 DNC convention to “yes we can” to “the day the oceans began to recede” to “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for” – always came across as a silly parody.
Watch Alfred Hichcock’s 39 Steps – there is a scene when the protagonist is fleeing his pursuers, enters a public hall where a political rally is occuring, is mistaken for the keynote speaker. In order to avoid capture he goes along and delivers a political speech about feel-good nonsense, which had absolutely no meaning at all then or since, and therefore a speech which could have been delivered by any politician of any ideological persuation in any society at any point in history, and yet communicate exactly nothing.
Obama isn’t a rock star, he’s Wierd Al Yankovich. His speech is not eloquent, it is as vacuous as the 39 Steps speech.
@ 101 epignosis,
There are a lot of Irish Catholics around the US; quite a few of us don’t think comparing Sarah to E1 is a good thing.
Is Mr. Junod the face of the new American electorate? Barack Obama was elected because Americans have become more enthralled with Rock Stars, those who have their public persona’s built by media sound bites, puff pieces and tightly orchestrated and edited videos with their true backgrounds hidden or falsified to bolster the image.
Anyone who listened to the warnings from those demonized by the Left and took just a little time to look at Obama’s past and his past associates had to be just a little bit skeptical under ordinary circumstances and certainly motivated to dig a lot deeper when it’s a political candidate who will be considered “the leader of the free world” being assiduously given the Rock Star treatment. But the reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, Tony Rezco, etc. (http://theobamaclub.com/_associates/ObamaAssociates.htm) and his determined refusal to release personal records relevant to his background and experience were all ignored by a media determined to keep the mantle they surreptitiously built intact. And Mr. Junod and all those whose common sense was overwhelmed by their own prejudices and one of the biggest cons ever perpetrated on such a grand scale pulled the lever that put their hero, their Messiah on the pedestal they allowed themselves to be convinced he deservedly belonged.
And Mr. Junod is still employed as a journalist at Esquire? In light of who now sits in the oval office why is this not a surprise. Mr. Junod and his ilk should be ashamed that he and other members of the vaunted fourth estate were so easily duped.
Peterike@105 (and others who have made similar points along with Whiskey) is unfortunately on the money. Which is a shame. Sheer intellect and an all-encompassing grasp of “current events” are not the only qualities needed for Presidential leadership. There are many management/coaching/leadership styles. Some Basket-ball teams win with a half-court offense, others with a fast-break style. Some football coaching philosophies favor ball-control; others a “field-position” style of play. “There is more than one way to skin a cat.” It was famously said of FDR that he: “…has a second-rate intellect, but a first-rate temperament.” Sarah P. would seem to fit in that category AT WORST.If it was good enough for the Donkey’s beloved God-like FDR it should be good enough for Sarah. Unfortunately, for all the reasons Peterike, Whiskey, et al., cite, her election may be well-neigh impossible.
(And I don’t mean to disparage her intellect, either. She may be no Einstein–but how many of us are. We should not let the perfect be the enemy of the “good enough.” And at any rate it seems that she has better gut instincts about the American character–indeed FAR better–than Obama. As well as hewing to a political philosophy–whether by instinct or by studious reflection–that not only comports with–is congruent with–what actually works–economically, culturally, politically–in real life.)
To #118 – you say that Obama had a comparable work experience to Palin??? No way.
Obama was merely a lecturer in a university for a brief year or so – and a lecturer simply follows the course outline. Then, he was a community organizer, a euphamism for a shop manager sending the workers out to do their pre-assigned tasks, and in the Senate – where he originated no policies, ran no offices, oversaw no taks force. Nothing.
Palin was mayor of a town and governor of a state, which included managing and devising the budget, developing policies, arranging interstate and other trade and operational agreements etc. There’s no comparison in experience. She has 10 times that of Obama.
But my point is that Palin has an exclusive role, unavailable and not open to any of the political people. She speaks for all the people – not just within one political party – but for the common, real people of America. That’s incredible – to have the people able to confront Washington politicians – of all parties – and tell them that it’s The People, not Washington, that have the legitimate voice in The American Way.
Sarah Palin’s got too much baggage? Stigmatized? Unelectable? What craven, self-fulfilling surrender to an army of morons this is. Katie Couric’s not baggage, she’s garbage, and so are the rest of them. Sarah Palin’s brushed all that crap off a long time ago and moved on. I suggest you “friendly” detractors do the same.
Palin, OK. Nice lady. Smart enough, I suppose. But not nearly ready. The common meme in 2008 was to compare her to Obama, neither was ready. It’s clear this was true of Obama. It’s not clear he knows how to learn. Palin – is obviously learning. She is far, far better in an interview now than two years ago.
But seriously folks, where does that put her?
Of roughly 150,000,000 adult citizens of the USA, she has probably move up from the 40th percentile to maybe the 60th. OK, argue it, say the 80th. Whatever. I’d take most any regular poster here on BC over Palin, even today. Wouldn’t you?
Her masterstroke was resigning the Governorship of Alaska, a move which was universally adjudged by the MSM to be a blunder.
It was also judged by me, at the time, to be a blunder, and I said so on this blog.
Oh well. I misunderestimated her and I refudiate my previous remarks made at the time.
Jeannette @ 122 – I beg your indulgence. May not be clear that the quality that was then and is now most important for leaders of a people in treacherous times is adherence to some fundamental principles rather than demonstrably fallacious ideologies.
CBS repeats the “enemy” idea.
“A humbled Mr. Obama, who termed the defeat a “shellacking” during a postelection press conference Wednesday, must now grapple with an emboldened and empowered political enemy with its sights set on undoing much of what he accomplished in the last two years – including an effort to repeal his signature achievement, health care reform, reports CBS News White House correspondent Bill Plante.”
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/05/obama-acknowledges-failures-says-leadership-isnt-just-legislation/
121. Mario Sanchez wrote: “Obama isn’t a rock star, he’s Wierd Al Yankovich.”
Mr. Sanchez, I fully understand the point you are trying to make, and I agree with you. But this is just the wrong analogy to use. Weird Al Yankovic is an extremely talented musician and parody artist who has been entertaining audiences for more than 30 years. He is the highest selling-comedy act in history, with millions of devoted and descriminating fans. Just look at the talent evinced on tracks like White and Nerdy or live performances like Yoda, and you’ll see what I mean.
#89. Your Sensei
So, is Sarah as bad as these guys, your heroes no doubt?
http://www.hootervillegazette.com/dumbdemocrats.html
126) Carl,
You go into an election with the electorate you’ve got, not the electorate you’d like to have. It’s reality, deal with it.
Tarnsman @ 58 said:
“And Palin stayed far, far away from Whitman to her credit. Wish she had done the same with Fiorina, who also ran a “I really can’t give you a good reason to vote for me” campaign. She should have been throwing haymakers 24/7 at Boxer.”
I’m very disappointed that Boxer won. Fiorina did a lousy job of running Hewlett Packard when she was CEO and it’s not surprising that she bungled her campaign against Boxer. To add insult to injury, there were Republican candidates who could have easily beaten Boxer but they were defeated in the primaries. It’s always the same story: Any candidate who can beat Boxer in the general election always loses in the Republican primary.
MaxMBJ @ 97 said:
“how could anyone watch Sarah Palin’s interview with Chris Wallace and pronounce her fiercely stupid? I watched it and told my wife, “Paglia got Palin right: she really is smart. She has now learned the art of political rhetoric.” Now if she is “fiercely stupid” then so am I. Either that, or I’m too damn partisan to allow my intellect to operate. Of course, there is another possibility: Richard Cohen is the stupid one, the partisan one.”
Richard Cohen is a moonbat. It says something about the MSM that a common moonbat can be an influential journalist. Something I like about Sarah Palin is she drives the moonbats insane. This is highly entertaining but is it necessarily a qualification to be President? The US economy is in the toilet and we’re close to having a major war against the Islamic world. Although I greatly enjoy watching the moonbats jump up-and-down in mindless fury, I would rather see a peacemaker as the next President. Someone who could pursue a conservative agenda without triggering a socialist backlash. I do not know who that person is but I do know it isn’t Sarah Palin.
stephanie @ 42 – One should not ignore the courage and determination displayed by Palin, in view of the overwhelming opposition. Battered, but not disillusioned or discouraged, she remains on the field. Most would have behaved like the Imperial Guard at the gravel pit, “La Garde recule. Sauve qui peut!”. People will come to see, as Patton used to say, that “the acid test of battle brings out the true metal”. There is a depth of character in that woman that should not be lightly dismissed.
By the way, to bring back something from an earlier Belmont Club post, MSNBC has just put Keith Obermann on unpaid leave. Seems he contributed to some Democratic political campaigns and they think that imperiled his objectivity.
Personally, I’m shocked, shocked….
PELOSI STILL CLUELESS AND POWER-HUNGRY
Somewhat OT:
Pelosi still wants to be minority leader in the House, according to Commentary
I sure hope so. I can’t think of a better gift to the GOP and the rest of us than for San Fran Nan to continue being a cow in a china shp.
Tooting my horn briefly, I said at the time it was a great idea. Then I listed the reasons.
Changing topics (que tywlight zone theme), With New Mexico in the (R) column, it is almost time to try the State Contract idea. Let Arizona and New Mexico write a State Compact to stop illegals from crossing the border and create a states militia that co-operates in that endeavor.
That will put the cat among the pigeons. It will be great fun watching the establishment run around in little circles baying at the moon when they figure out that the Citizens can do without them if necessary. 33 States are needed to call a Constitutional Convention. How many will be Republican in February? Can Democrats count that high?
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Sara was beating off the Establishment single handed. Then she took over the Constitutional Convention movement. That would keep her focused in the right direction and attract the eyes of the enemy( hey, Obama said I’m the enemy and I’m good with that. Proud even.) Getting them to watch one hand while the other does the deed is an old and reliable technique.
Watch the Establishment when they figure it out. Funeral homes will be offering specials for judges and politicians that went into cardiac arrest.
Morticians will be calling their Lexus guy. Coffin makers will be hiring. The Economy will rebound.
We now return control of your television.
@epignosis,
s’fine, I’m just thinking you don’t want to make that particular comparison part of any campaign literature, etc. (They say Pope Alexander VI did a great job streamlining the Vatican bureaucracy, don’t they? But maybe you wouldn’t want to make that comparison with someone you like lol)
@125 ETAB, National political experience between the two were relatively comparable in 2008 imo. Not your opinion, too? That’s fine with me; work on her campaign, then! I’d vote for her again in November but not necessarily in May (against Newt, Romney, Huckabee, etc? I’d vote for her in a heartbeat, no doubt. Against Daniels, probably. Pence, Christie, Jindal, Bachmann? hmmm maybe not, but I think Christie needs a few more years, too)
Don Rodrigo @ 137 said:
“Pelosi still wants to be minority leader in the House … I sure hope so. I can’t think of a better gift to the GOP…”
My thoughts also. It appears that The Left is in denial (too much Hope and Change). This is excellent news. Please stay in denial until 2012 then they can be annihilated.
Eggplant @ 134 – Methinks the moonbats will oscillate whenever you have a conservative receiving attention. Maybe I’m alone here, but the war has already started, not of our choosing. What remains is the declaration of belligerents and determination of theaters. A torpedo has struck the economy and damage control is underway. The decks are littered with dazed souls who are confused and in disarray. The Captain has been declared unfit, but a suitable replacement is not on the bridge. We are evaluating our resources and formulating a plan of action.
There is now an apparent contention for global resources of fossil fuels and strategic minerals. Replacement of the $ as the reserve currency may occur, but only after the majority holders have sufficiently divested. Russia is not reluctant to influence the price of a barrel to adversely impact our economy. China dissents, but only because, for the time being, it’s their money that we are using. OPEC is not a friend, but is quite fond of $. A nuclear capable Iran may have something to say about that.
Please stay in denial until 2012 then they can be annihilated.
Or “denialated.”
I’ll give that one to Sarah Palin for free.
Off topic but not really. With Pelosi running again, this effectively prevents the Democratic Party from regeneration. The old guard in control will remain in control and prevent new ideas and people from having any relevance.
The ‘time-out’ period for the GOP has been absolutely vital for the GOP party, which, along with the emergence of the people, via the Tea Party, has enabled the GOP to begin to restructure, redefine and regenerate itself with new people and principles.
Not new principles but an acknowledgement of the basic principles of the US – from which the GOP had, during its Washington power phase, strayed. This public acknowledgement of the basic fundamental principles on which the US was built – has been the role of Palin, alongside the Tea Parties. An absolutely vital period of regeneration. Now, it’s time to put those principles into policies.
With Pelosi et al still in power, (and the loss of so many moderate Democrats) this prevents the Democratic Party from regeneration and locks it firmly within the iron control of its radical socialist power brokers.
I completely failed to detect the aura surrounding Obama the Rock Star. I just didn’t see him as a Messiah, as so many apparently did. It amazed me that after observing Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, and a host of other major and minor El Jefes through the years, people could *still* allow themselves to be swept off their feet by yet another guy standing on a podium and telling them what they want to hear. I thought people today were more distant, calculating, even cynical about their politicians. Yet there still seemed to be any number of Omega-monkeys out there who would gladly follow this new Alpha male. This was extremely frightening in a Nuremburg kind of way.
I hope we never have another election like that while I’m alive. And I’m glad the sheen has rubbed off the Messiah. Americans shouldn’t fall into cults of personality.
Bugs @ 144 said:
“I thought people today were more distant, calculating, even cynical about their politicians. Yet there still seemed to be any number of Omega-monkeys out there who would gladly follow this new Alpha male. This was extremely frightening in a Nuremburg kind of way. I hope we never have another election like that while I’m alive. And I’m glad the sheen has rubbed off the Messiah. Americans shouldn’t fall into cults of personality.”
Obama’s election was a national disgrace. It should not have happened in America. I mainly blame the MSM because they invoked Goebbels’ propaganda method of ceaseless repetition. However the American people should have seen through it. I guess that’s were Obama’s skin color became a factor. Conservatives should have anticipated this and produced a black presidential candidate before someone like Obama became a threat. Doing so would have immunized America against a dark skinned demagogue. Unfortunately, it’s easy to see this only with 20-20 hindsight.
Eggplant #134:
“I would rather see a peacemaker as the next President.”
Not me. I want a war leader. It probably is not feasible to expect to “bomb the American Left back to the stone age” but I still think we should try.
They were no less outraged and treasonous during Reagan. They are not getting better but worse.
Maybe in Calif y’all gotta get along with the moonbats but the rest of us reject that option.
To quote from one of Robert Heinlein’s best works:
“Puppet masters, the free men are coming to kill you! Death and destruction!”
RWE @ 147 said:
“It probably is not feasible to expect to “bomb the American Left back to the stone age” but I still think we should try.”
There are too many moonbats (the Gramscian thing has succeeded). You’d have to kill over a third of the population to be rid of them. Maybe it will boil down to a civil war but I’m hoping instead that the moonbats simply starve to death.
SP, even holding the positions she does, would be considered a remarkable woman were she a Democrat. Even were that so, she would raise the hackles of the Left because she is the embodiment of an American archetype. She is La Mere Sauvage who powerfully defends her home, children and community. In an age and among idealogues which seeks to devalue and destroy these things I should wonder that instant war should break out?
Damn, that’s an akward sentence.
Here is the essence of the many conversations I have had about Presidential qualifications and greatness.
Liberal friend: We need a President who is articulate; someone who can speak; not an inarticulate one like Bush.
Me: Oh, then I guess if you are looking for articulate, you must think that Reagan is the best President since World War II.
Liberal: No. What I really meant is that someone had to be intelligent.
Me: Well, if we are looking at intelligence, I guess you think that Carter, with his PhD, and Nixon, and maybe Clinton were the best Presidents since World War II.
Liberal: No. What I really meant is that someone had to have charisma.
Me: Oh, so I guess you must think that JFK is the best President since World War II.
Liberal: Kind of. I want someone who can really put their program through Congress.
Me: Great. Then you must think LBJ is by far the greatest President since World War II.
Liberal: Actually, it has to be someone who knows how to get along with leaders from other countries.
Me: Ah, now I understand. You think Eisenhower was the greatest President because he was able to coordinate the Second World War and get all of our international allies to pull in the same direction.
Liberal: Actually, I want someone with plenty of experience in all phases of government.
Me: Then you must think George H. W. Bush was the greatest President since World War II. He had been in Congress, Head of the CIA, Vice President, all before winning the Presidency on his own. Or maybe Ronald Reagan, who served two terms as Governor of California. Or maybe Richard Nixon, who served in the Senate and as Vice President before his election.
Liberal: You just don’t understand.
Me: Maybe so. Harry Truman was even less articulate than George W. Bush, yet you think he was great. Ronald Reagan was even more articulate than Obama yet you think he was horrible. Eisenhower was a master administrator and universally respected internationally, with a proven track record of bringing squabbling armies together, yet you think he was worthless. Carter and Nixon had very high IQ’s but you think they were mediocre or even bad Presidents. LBJ was a genius at putting programs through Congress yet you dismiss him as a warmonger.
I think I am beginning to understand the liberal mind. Makes a lot of sense to me, doesn’t it?
Sooooo; All Sarah has to do is say she’s half black, and she’s just as qualified as Barry Soetero?
There are more crack dealers more qualified for president of The United States, than Barry Soetero. And many are in prison.
Amy Winehouse has more managerial experience than Barry Soetero will ever accumulate in his entire useless life.
Barry Sotero accessed where he is today, because people were confused; They thought he had some innate intelligence; All doubt has been removed; He has NONE.
As far as competing visions go its on where you place the emphasis. Shall it be on the wrapper or the contents? There are people who are convinced that you can sell dead rats to people if the box just has enough ribbons and bows on it. Hell, a fortune was made with the “pet rock” phenomenon some years ago. And then there are those people who focus upon the contents. I am reminded about what Henry Ford said when asked about putting out Model-T’s in different colors, to which he supposedly responded: “people can get them in any color they want–so long as its black.”
With Obama its all about the wrapper. With Palin its about the contents of the package.
For far too long in the political landscape all the focus has been on the wrapper and little to none on the contents. There are all those gorgeous political packages out there and almost universally all you get when you open them is a dead rat even if the package proclaims it contains chocolate cake. I for one am tired of getting dead rats as presents. I think a lot of other people are as well.
Its been quite some time ago, but Hunter S. Thompson derided the TV “journalists,” as not being worthy of being called journalists. I think his term for them was “meat puppets,” people who were pretty on screen who only had to have the intelligence to read from a teleprompter in some semblance of real time.
The disease has jumped from the journalist species to the politician species, like flu can from chickens to pigs. We have the real people, and then we have the leper-like meat puppets.
Obama is terminally infected with the meat puppet disease. Without heavy and constant teleprompter life support therapy (and maybe even with it) his political survival is in jeopardy.
Pray for the meat puppets. But what you want God to do for or to them is purely up to you.
@148 eggplant,
It’s almost as if there’s a consensus among Americans that there are too many liberals, though: conservatives want them to change their minds but liberals just want to kill themselves off. Contraception, abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, ESCR, you name it, if it kills or prevents baby liberals, the libs are for it. Of course, once you run out of new liberals, you start running out of voters; in order to avoid losing elections, they have to come up with fake voters. I think if we focus on cleaning up the voter rolls, we’ll find that they’ve been very successful in killing themselves off so that they won’t win many more elections.
robrott: I have to agree Palin has and Reagn had charcter and integrity. I love their WYSIWYG demeanor and despise the phony, policially correct behavior of the Washington “elite” from both sides. I find it disturbing that many of the left can be so slimy, especially, around election time. As a side not most of t hem are lawyers who can’t balance their own books and don’t believe those who have to do so.
I ahve a great deal of repsect for Sarah and woould vote for her if she were nominated but I think I would like to see Alan West make a run at it.
Bugs, you’re assuming those poor rubes back in the 20′s, 30′s and 40′s were unaware that Hitler, Mussolini, et al were no damn good. I’ve done the same thing, I’ve watched film of Hitler ranting on stage, spittle flying from under that ridiculous mustache and his combover flopping around like it had a will of it’s own. And I’ve thought “my God, what a marooon. People suere were gullible back then! Good thing we’re more sophisticated today. A clown like that wouldn’t get anywhere now.”
And then I read some contemporary accounts of those distant El Jefe’s, and guess what? Lots of people back then thought they were clowns too! Lots of people back then shook their heads and said “nobody can take that guy seriously.”
And yet other people back then praised the clowns, rhapsodized about how wise and caring and dynamic they were! Here was the leader we’ve been waiting for!
The praise back then came, as it does now, from Leftists. Human nature doesn’t change. There have always been those willing to be taken in by gesticulating loons who promise to end some imaginary oppression and bring about some half-baked utopia. And they’re always the same sort who get taken in too.
Not ever leftist leader who comes along is the next Hitler, Stalin or Mao, but I guarantee you that the next Hilter, Stalin or Mao will be a leftist leader.
This country is split into two sharply divided settings but in a polka dot type manner: the fifteen or so inner cities of the largest metro areas comprise the first setting (the Blue-Obama), and the rest of the country constitutes the second setting (the Red-Palin). These fifteen or so inner cities of the first setting are mainly located in the NorthEast-MidWest corridor, as well as the Pacific Coast corridor which wraps around along the US-Mexican border and reaches the Gulf. This is the setting of the left; the second is the setting of the right. The so-called “independents” reside in the suburbs of the inner cities (the land of the RINOs and DINOs).
The cultural (economic, social, religious, and of course political) differences between these two settings have been growing over the past quarter century or so; they have been living under an informal separation agreement since Clinton, tenuously glued together by the “independents.” There will come a point, and it’s not a question of “if” but of “when,” that these two settings won’t be able to coexist within a single national framework and the “independents” might have to decise where they really stand in this division. Let’s hope that the divorce will be amicable.
exhelodrvr @ 133
An electorate’s no monolith. It’s one thing today, another tomorrow. A candidate has to work it.
“I must dance to the beat of a different drummer because I never saw Obama as anything other than a pathologically narcissistic asshole.”
Amen. Anybody who read Freddoso’s book (The Case Against Barack Obama) and/or who followed Stanley Kurtz’ excellent, in-depth reporting on Obama and Bill Ayers and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge in 2008, knew just what a subversive, sneaky, self-important, bald-faced lyin’ sack of sh*t Obama is.
White guilt + moral vanity = temporary political insanity
The arithmetic just changed on Tuesday.
I never got the supposed appeal of Obozo. I saw him as nothing but an empty suit on whom his followers projected images of their own liking – a classic case of pubescent infatuation.
I don’t think Sarah Palin will ever be a candidate for anything again, especially for President. Palin understands only too well the hatred that she inspires and, I think, really and truly understands how harmful she could be to any other Republican candidate if she were to be on a ticket. Palin will be much more effective as the Team Member that she appears to be happy with. Maybe when we elect the next Republican President she might consider joining the cabinet in the newly created Department of Common Sense. But I think for now she is much more valuable to the party as a party activist.
Wretchard said: (I am answering without reading 150+ comments)
You cannot seriously believe that she does not have what it takes. Seriously? Well, maybe you do.
Nope, you seem to. Just wow. And here is why you are oh so wrong and you say it yourself, wretchard: (My comments in () )
“…her vision may be greater.” Oh, it is, it is. It is the vision that us bitter-clingers share. That vision of the “shining city” on that hill that is the USA. Discount us real middle Americans who get up and go to work every day in your own myopia. We are p.o.’ed and ready to revolt.
It looks to me like Palin plays things by ear. It takes some serious inner balance to do that.
I have not seen anything in
Palin’s behavior that would suggest that she
has any other plans than to
to run for president. That is something or some
or someone would have to stop her. I have not
seen anything like that. I have
not seen a better “Man” than Sarah. (Kudos to her hubbie.)(Except for maybe Christie.)Next up for her
is a big reintroduction show for
herself and Alaska.
I read whiskey’s piece. Its thought
provoking as usual. This made me wonder
if that’s not why O’reily shows up
on the View or Sarah’s daughter goes on dancing with the stars. Curiously, I don’t think there’s
anything about Whiskey’s piece that
Palin doesn’t understand–from her own personal
experience. She doesn’t seem to be the sort to make the same mistake twice. Further, she’s
not going to not learn from women
who lost in the midterms. That is,
judging by the article she wrote linked to above.
I do think that she would stay out of presidential sweeps
if there were someone of sufficient caliber for whom
she could perform the role of strange attractor.
But so far I’ve seen no one. So her strategy
for running will likely be to play the public
role of the strange attractor. That term, is
taken from the chaos theory.
Its something a bit different than obama’s running
strategy of the blank slate.
Sarah P. is La Pasionara of the Patriots. “They shall not pass!”
We’ll see if the lies told about her still stick two years from now. A great deal of the dislike of her is class loathing: the venomous snobbery I heard from New Yorkers in the advertising agency I work in (which is now pitching a huge new agency for the “Islamic world”) was actually frightening. It wasn’t distaste; it was hatred.
JMH #154:
The book “Liberal Fascism” describes how Mussolini was the darling of all kinds of people in the West before WWII. Cole Porter even praised him in a song.
On the other hand I heard a high school teacher describe how she sat in class and listened to Hitler’s response to FDR’s entreaties. She said they did not understand a word but knew what he was saying really meant.
Bill O’Reilly
Coasting to the Left
Here’s my question: If this week’s election returns demonstrate that the vast majority of the country is moving to the right, why do the West Coast and the Northeast continue to embrace liberalism, especially when it has led to economic disaster?
Both California and New York are on the verge of bankruptcy and, according to Forbes magazine, are hostile to business by way of high taxation and strict regulation of commerce. California currently owes $158 billion, and New York is holding $60 billion in debt. But Sen. Barbara Boxer in the Golden State and New York Sens. Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand, all big spenders, won their respective races easily.
Boxer is a classic tax-and-spend liberal who never met an entitlement program she didn’t want to vacation with. So why did she coast on the Coast? The answer has to be that the “where’s mine” culture has taken deep root out west; people want stuff from government, and deficits be damned.
In the Atlantic states north of the Mason-Dixon line, it is union power and Democratic machine politics that hold sway. In Philadelphia, for example, it is all liberal, all the time. Even Ben Franklin couldn’t move that bunch. New York City politics and Boston politics are similar — Democrats dominate the union vote and most ballots in the inner city.
So while the rest of the country has thrown the big-spending rascals out, the liberal power structure holds on in select areas no matter how dismal the economy is. In his press conference after the Democrats got hammered, President Obama showed some humility, but he also knows that come 2012, he’ll begin with 86 electoral votes courtesy of California and New York no matter what he does.
Thus, the United States is not really united anymore. We are now a nation of coalitions. The tea party movement is largely supported outside the big cities, while the progressive base is mostly urban. If you listen closely to what the two groups are saying, there is no common ground at all. The president says he wants to work with his opponents and find policies that all can embrace. Does that seem likely to you?
Politics should be a performance game, and for many independent-thinking Americans, it still is. When Obama was inaugurated, 70 percent of the folks were behind him. But less than two years later, about 45 percent approve of the job he’s doing. That’s because the economy is still a mess despite a massive amount of government spending. Obama says his economic vision saved America from another depression, but that’s impossible to prove. It’s like saying John McCain would have been a better president.
If Boxer can win re-election based on her economic vision, then Joy Behar should be appointed secretary of state. All Americans should vote for problem-solvers and people who have proved their ability to improve the country for all of us. I know, I’m dreaming.
164. Charles
The Democrat Party has been in control more than four years; They OWN the entire economic situation.
Does any of them look like they need any money?
Anybody who read Freddoso’s book (The Case Against Barack Obama) and/or who followed Stanley Kurtz’ excellent, in-depth reporting on Obama and Bill Ayers and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge in 2008, knew just what a subversive, sneaky, self-important, bald-faced lyin’ sack of sh*t Obama is.
The first tip-off I had about Obama’s (lack of) character was hearing Jill Stanek describe her encounter with him when she was testifying before the Illinois legislature, and he was then a state senator.
A (former) friend of mine who had spent their entire career in academia was contemplating voting for Obama. Obama’s “law professor” (itself a distortion) mask gulled said friend into thinking Obama was a familiar type, no different in temperament or philosophy than the professors said friend worked with every day. “Okay, but how many unrepentant domestic terrorists do YOU count in your inner circle?” I asked. My warning about how radical Obama really was went in one ear & out the other.
Then came the Rev. Wright episode. Then Bittergate. Then “spread the wealth.” Then “Jive Turkey.”
I didn’t read Freddoso’s or Kurtz’s books but I heard them give extensive radio interviews at the time.
The point is that there was an abundance of information out there for anyone who had their eyes and ears open. This is not to let the MFM off the hook. They bear a lion’s share of the blame here. But every individual voter is responsible for how he or she votes and for the consequences of that vote. That requires casting an informed vote and making a consistent effort to get and stay informed.
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From WaPo, November 21, 2008 (*AFTER* the election … thanks, putzes!):
Of his job interview with the Illinois senator, Gaspard recalled Obama saying: “I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.”
Coming from a guy whose entire career consisted of running almost nothing but his mouth, Obama’s stratospheric self-regard might seem, well, a tad misplaced. But there does seem to be one thing he is better at than anyone else on this planet. And that is holding a might-ee high opinion of Barack Obama.
Now imagine that same line coming from Sarah Palin’s mouth. Or Ronald Reagan’s. Or Winston Churchill’s. Or Abraham Lincoln’s. Or George Washington’s. Or Ben Franklin’s. You can’t imagine it, can you? Not from a single one of them. Not even from Franklin or Churchill at their cheekiest.
Exactly.
Obama has convinced himself that he out-experts the experts. What shot do we slobs in flyover territory have of un-convincing him that he knows better than we do the gnarliest details of our lives, wants, and aspirations, right down to our shoe sizes and pet peeves.
He knows all, sees all, divines all.
Can’t we just put a turban on him and call him Carnac the Magnificent?
Just get him the aitch away from the levers of power.
159. elba liava
Palin understands only too well the hatred that she inspires and, I think, really and truly understands how harmful she could be to any other Republican candidate if she were to be on a ticket. Palin will be much more effective as the Team Member that she appears to be happy with.
Maybe so. “A good point guard knows when to pass the ball.”
I would dearly love to see Palin run and win in 2012. But Whiskey’s analysis is keeping me awake nights. We only get one crack at 2012, and we damn well better get it right. We cannot afford to make a mistake.
165. Cybergeezer
Both Whiskey and Oreilly are talking about NYC, NY and coastal California basically. But they’re coming at it from different angles.
James Buchanan had served in the House and the Senate. He had been Secretary of State and Minister to both Russia and Britain. He had also turned down a nomination for the Supreme Court. By resume alone he was probably as qualified as anyone who has served as President. And yet his administration was a disaster that made the Civil War all but inevitable.
Sarah Palin has the unique ability to recognize talent in others. She is also perfectly willing to give credit to others without feeling diminished or threatened. She has a healthy BS meter and recognizes the difference between good advice and BS.
Most of all she has an innate love for America and Americans.
I just can’t imagine anyone believing her to be unqualified.
I stipulate that I would take Palin over Obama in a heartbeat, but other than that I have little interest in her. Wretchard makes a reasonable case for her good work as an independent conservative leader, and I agree that her resignation as governor of Alaska did free her to use her fame to the country’s advantage (as well as her own). Tolerating eight years of Bush mumble-mouthedness leaves me without an appetite for Palin’s honking, however. I don’t dislike her, yet, but that could be entirely the result of the ready availability of the remote.
On to Obama. He doesn’t care about losing the Congress. It only signals to him a shift in strategy. It was something he could have reasonably anticipated, or even desired, and he is more than ready. He’ll be more dangerous now, not less.
Any attempt, at all, to grasp Obama within the normative terms of American politics will only make him stronger. For starters, he is uninterested in individuals. He is a revolutionary narcissist, and that should make anyone who understands what that represents nostalgic for a mere psychopath like Bill Clinton.
I will submit as proof (of my thesis that Obama cannot be grasped within the normative terms of American politics) Stanley Kurtz’s new book ‘Radical-in-Chief,’ in which he precisely captures the radical network from which Obama springs, a network where deception (a la the Popular Front method of the 1930s) is the very matrix in which strategy is formulated.
For instance, the relationship with Ayers was longstanding, deep and compatible, and I conclude from the facts presented by Kurtz that Ayers was the less radical of the two. Obama simply lied about it.
Obama moved into power in a mist, a mist of total deception, where black was white and down was up, and Kurtz has dragged him out of that mist with a masterfully detailed forensic pathology. Still, at that, I believe that Kurtz captures but a quadrant and that there will be even more to see. But the goal for Obama was always to just get the power, and with that power he quickly laid in a generation’s worth of damage. He has poured sand and glue into the gear box of America’s extended order, whence all of our prosperity is generated.
He did not come just to conquer, but to destroy. He doesn’t care a whit about the elections. He’ll make sure to be done with the job the next two years, and if the country is sufficiently beaten into submission to want him back he’ll just laugh and do it again.
“A good point guard knows when to pass the ball.”
Can anyone imagine Barack Obama saying that about himself?
Obama shoots hoops mainly to burnish his “street cred” in the ‘hood, whereas Palin was an actual basketball player on a championship team in high school. I’d love to see her and Odoofus play a game of one-on-one. It would be comedy gold.
It would be good to look back at Washington’s personal ideal Lucius Quintulus Cincinnatus.
Cincinnatus, after serving as Consul in BC 561, retired to his farm until called back as Dictator at times of national crisis. Both times he took decisive action to remove the threat, and then returned to his plow.
Sarah Palin strikes me as being struck from the same mold; which is why our political caste like Junod and Cohen will forever fail to comprehend her.
@Stergeye #172
That is Lucius “Quinctius” Cincinnatus, and he lived from 519 to 438 BC. He served as Councul in 460 BC. However, your example is very appropriate.
He won’t sing anyone else’s song, and he can’t be great, because to be a great American president (or a great American of any stripe) you must believe in and love America.
#174 Goes deeper than that. To be a great President you have to insire your fellow citizens; making them see and feel the dream that is “America”. Only been a few of those and they are on Mount Rushmore. Probably should be a fifth, but the liberals would fight tooth and nail to prevent Ronald Maximus Reagan from being placed there.
Obama, and the left in general, are essentially narcissistic. They are convinced that with a flick of the hand they can control the oceans, eliminate poverty, and turn terrorist lions into lambs. All that stands in the way of the glorious future are the great mass of yahoos who have been duped by greedy fatcats handing out narcotizing trinkets like bibles, SUVs, and shotguns.
The way to defeat a narcissist is to outflank him.
All narcissists think that they are masters of empathy and understanding human emotion and motive when in in reality it is their principle weakness. This creates a huge blind spot.
If you follow Sun Tzu’s advice “where you are strong appear weak, where you are weak appear strong” it is easy to trap them in their own egos. A narcissist would never concede to weakness and always wears the shiniest armor atop the whitest horse when doing battle.
Sara Palin serves as the perfect foil for Obama. Her folksey tabloid life, humble background, and commonsense views inspire hatred and disdain from the left. She blinds them. She makes herself a target and just keeps rolling. They cant see how dangerous she and the Tea Party are to them because it would be impossible for such simpletons to be motivated by anything serious.
It has not occured to Obama and the progressives that there is anything wrong with their agenda, they think they just need to polish up the act so they can keep doing what is best for us.
Spindok