Enemy At the Gates
The New York Times says that budget chief Peter Orszag is leaving his job next month, “making him perhaps the first official to leave the Obama cabinet and removing a major player from President Obama’s economic team. ” But will he be the last? The NYT says Orszag has decided to give his future personal life some attention. “While the president recently urged Mr. Orszag to remain, the calendar for drafting the next budget weighed in favor of Mr. Orszag’s leaving sooner. So did Mr. Orszag’s personal calendar: He is getting married in September.” That Orszag had recently advocated deficit reduction instead of more stimulus spending suggests that he looked at both the prospect of defending the budget and his bride — and chose the bride.
In recent months, Mr. Orszag, 41, has espoused deficit reduction strategies in administration debates against those who pressed for more stimulus spending and tax cuts to keep the economy from slipping back into recession.
The Wall Street Journal says that President Obama needed someone to put together the crucial 2011 budget and had pressed Orszag to decide if he was the man for it. “The president had wanted a decision from Mr. Orszag before the fall, when the administration will begin the arduous process of putting together the fiscal 2011 budget amid some of the greatest budget pressures in modern U.S. history.”
Already, administration officials have begun vetting possible successors. One, Gene Sperling, a director of President Bill Clinton’s National Economic Council and a top aide to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, has been cleared to take the position of deputy budget director, but uncertainty about Mr. Orszag’s departure date had frozen Mr. Sperling’s move. Along with Mr. Sperling, White House officials are considering new names, including Laura Tyson, a former top Clinton White House economist and dean of the University of California’s Haas School of Business; Robert Greenstein, director of the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities; and Rep. Artur Davis (D., Ala.), an early supporter of Mr. Obama’s White House bid who recently lost the Democratic nomination for his long-shot campaign to be Alabama’s first African-American governor.
According to a source familiar with the deliberations, Ms. Tyson’s name has surfaced because she is seen as a confident, credible spokeswoman for White House economic policy as the record budget deficit moves to perhaps the most prominent spot in the president’s domestic agenda.
The WSJ seemed to suggest the president was preparing a “Washington Monument” defense in the face of Republican pressures to cut the deficit. An unpalatable menu of choices has been prepared for presentation to Republicans against a November loss by the president’s party. “A bipartisan White House commission is considering ways to tame the deficit, and will report back after the November midterm elections. … The commission is looking at cuts to discretionary spending and entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare, as well as an overhaul of the tax code that would simplify taxation and bring in more revenue.” The idea was he would dare the Republicans to choose from these menu items and impale themselves upon his policy cheveux-de-frise.
If, as expected, Republicans grab more seats in Congress in November—or even control of the House of Representatives—the president plans to push them to make good on their own promises to tackle the budget deficit.
The implication was that Barack Obama would try to hold on to his big-government gains and dare the GOP to come against his prepared defenses. But Orszag will evidently not conduct the defense. Why the sudden loss of faith? Ross Douthat’s op-ed in the New York Times may provide an insight into Orszag’s sudden reluctance to fight a rearguard action against the expected Kesselschlacht along the banks of the budgetary Volga. Douthat argues that in the face of trillion dollar deficits and a declining economy, some liberals are having second thoughts about whether they are the wave of the future. Douthat writes:
At work in this liberal panic are two intellectual vices, and one legitimate fear. The first vice is the worship of presidential power. … The second vice is an overweening faith in theory. It’s now conventional wisdom among Obama’s liberal critics that the White House has been insufficiently ambitious about deficit spending. …
Maybe in some parallel universe there’s a Congress that would be willing to borrow and spend trillions in stimulus dollars, despite record deficits, if that’s what liberal economists said the situation required. But not in this one. …
Yet the liberal drumbeat continues. … But it’s here, with the looming fiscal crisis, that the more legitimate liberal fear comes in. Liberals had hoped that Obama’s election marked the beginning of a long progressive era — a new New Deal, a greater Great Society. Instead, from the West Coast to Western Europe, the welfare state is in crisis everywhere they look. The future suddenly seems to belong to austerity and retrenchment — and even, perhaps, to conservatism.
In this environment, the rage against Obama for not doing more, now, faster, becomes at least somewhat understandable. It’s not that he hasn’t done a great deal for liberals during his 18 months in office. It’s that liberalism itself may be running out of time.
And it’s not just the budgetary commanders who are flagging. Even the military commanders are acting funny. Today Reuters carried the extraordinary story of General Stanley McChrystal’s apology for an interview given by his aides to Rolling Stone magazine basically dissing his commander in chief as being unprepared. McChrystal said, “I extend my sincerest apology for this profile. It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and should never have happened.” It’s a little late for that. Rolling Stone reported McChrystal as accusing the top US diplomat in Afghanistan of “betraying” him and said he had been disappointed to find his commander in chief unprepared when he finally met him at the White House.
Marc Ambinder at the Atlantic is perplexed. “What I don’t know is which of McChrystal’s aides thought it would be a good idea to let his senior staff speak on background to Rolling Stone (!) of all publications, venting McChrystal’s frustrations and their own.” He somewhat pointlessly suggests this incident will hamper McChrystal’s campaign in Afghanistan by undermining his relationship with the president. But the real story is why things suddenly seem so odd, why Washington suddenly seems like the isle of Cthulhu where geometric laws no longer hold.
But there may be more strangeness, if possible, to come. The AP reported rumors that BP was considering filing for bankruptcy following Tony Hayward’s cancellation of an appearance at an oil industry conference. It quoted an analyst who said BP’s exposure to Gulf cleanup costs could drive the company under. Jay Tea at Wizbang argues that the government is acting like it doesn’t want to solve the oil spill problem.
Instead, we have an administration that seems hell-bent on destroying BP. Hell, last week they extorted a $20-billion-dollar shakedown out of BP. And, cynically, the primary motive wasn’t to get that money, but to secure the federal government’s first dibs on BP’s assets should they file bankruptcy in the US. This was the same move the Obama administration pulled with GM and Chrysler — bypassing the normal rules of bankruptcy and screwing out the other creditors.
We need an easing of normal restrictions and limitations, freeing up all parties concerned to react swiftly to the impending slow-motion disaster. Instead, we have the Coast Guard turning away skimmers for inadequate life jackets, states being blocked from building berms due to long-term environmental impact concerns, foreign vessels and offers of assistance and expertise being ignored.
What’s going on? These successive events are so extraordinarily suggestive that pundits are at loss to interpret them within the normal framework of commentary. It’s like trying to describe a madhouse. Tea gives it a try. He calls the strange atmosphere the “scent of fear.” Tea uses the oil spill as an example. It would seem from oil industry commentary that the BP spill may yet develop into a blowout that “could scar — and economically cripple — the US for a very, very long time.” The entire underwater oil and gas bubble could pop like a giant zit and become as close to a Hollywood disaster as possible in real life. So why are both the administration and BP acting as if nothing very serious were happening? What does it mean when people are yachting and golfing when they should be panicking?
Tea suggests a framework for deciding whether upon watching chiefs of staff threatening to resign, budget directors heading for the matrimonial door, and Special Forces generals giving interviews to Rolling Stone to excoriate the President to conclude we are still in Kansas. How do we account for the void between the falling masonry and the unconcern of the Washington establishment beneath? Is it mere “cool” or something else? What we need, Tea thinks, is an equivalent of Glenn Reynold’s “bullshit meter” that works with insane situations. He writes:
I’ve always been enamored of Professor Glenn Reynolds’ oft-repeated aphorism: “I’ll believe there’s a crisis when the people who say there’s a crisis act like there’s a crisis.” It’s a great BS detector, but it has some corollaries that I’m finding truly terrifying.
What does it mean when those people say there’s a crisis, I agree that there’s a crisis, but they refuse to act like there’s a crisis?
1) The disaster isn’t as bad as we all think it is, and the Obama administration knows that.
If that was true, then their “never let a crisis go to waste” response is understandable. Heinous, but understandable. This is an opportunity for them to push their agenda, and push it hard.
2) The disaster is as bad as we think, but the Obama administration doesn’t realize it.
This would be entirely in character with this administration. They are the Peter Principle writ large: they have been promoted past their level of competency. They simply can’t grasp that this disaster is a game-changer, so they are simply playing the game that they have played all their lives. Not because that’s what they think is best, but because that’s all they know how to do. “When your only tool is a hammer, all your problems start looking like nails.”
3) The disaster is at least as bad as we think, if not worse, and the Obama administration knows it.
If that is the case, then the only explanation that makes any sense is that they believe that the whole thing is a lost cause, that it is pretty much an unstoppable catastrophe, and they’re figuring that since we’re all pretty much fucked, they might as well get theirs before it all goes to hell.
4) The disaster isn’t as bad as we think it is, but the Obama administration doesn’t realize it.
That’s the fourth possibility of my little 2×2 matrix here, but I give it very little weight. It’s the most Pollyannaish of the possibilities, and fits in with the first part of “hope for the best, but plan for the worst.” I only include it here for the sake of completion.
The key to developing a proper insanity meter may be the following metric. If the public response to manifestly serious problems continues to be unserious; if policy makers unfailingly resort to changing the subject, staging PR extravaganzas, massaging the message, seeking celebrity entertainment and doing similarly bizarre and irrelevant things, then it becomes progressively less likely that we’re still in Kansas. It’s just your t-test. How long can you believe things are still normal despite mounting evidence to the contrary? And just where we are now is anybody’s guess. It’s a long way home to Aunt Em. With the enemy at the gates the only way out is to just follow the Yellow Brick Road.
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Maybe all of the lying he has done has dragged Mr. Orszag down.
My goodness; the man whom Rahm Emanuel of previous BC post credited with “making nerdy sexy” is getting out of the White House for reasons related to his “future personal life”? Must have had a complicated Father’s Day, having fathered a child out of wedlock last year just before getting engaged, according to the WaPo.
“The romantic drama heightens the mystique surrounding President Obama’s youngest Cabinet-level appointee, who, in a city full of wonks, enjoyed a brief unlikely reign as Washington’s most eligible bachelor before his engagement.
Something about those Harold Ramis-in-’Ghostbusters’ looks, on a 6-2 marathoner’s frame, inspired Internet fan pages like Orszagasm.com. ‘He made nerdy sexy,’ Rahm Emanuel told the New York Times last year.”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2010/01/peter_orszag_just_engaged_ackn.html
Nice to know that Obama’s inner circle and Cabinet contain such devoted family men. Interesting to speculate who will become Obama’s Friedrich Paulus. (We all know how Paulus turned on Hitler by refusing to fulfill his expectations of “honorable” suicide; “I have no intention of shooting myself for this Bohemian corporal.”)
I wish the Keynesian economist would get to work on something really useful. Like, maybe a perpetual motion machine?
Hey Wretch, glad you touched on the Rolling Stone article. I’m hoping to read it when it comes out. Do you have any plans for a full post on afghanistan soon. Some of the comments at Hot Air from former troops paint a dire picture regarding rules of engagement. I’m too young to remember Vietnam firsthand, but it seems as if the problems are similar. It seems as though we are fighting with one hand behind our back. Of course, one need only to look at how long it’s taken for us to reach this point in Afghanistan. 8 years is a long time. I think if the war planners made winning the top priority rather than international approval, the bulk of our bravest would be enjoying summer BBQ and family instead of slogging through that backwater hellhole. I’m not a warfighter though. Just a civilian who served a couple years in the navy. But I’ve worked long enough to know that politics usully screws up anything good given enough time. If you’re not in it to win it, don’t commit. That’s a pretty simple strategy. I reckon the hard part is tactical even though our boys make it look relatively easy from the cheap seats. Also, I guess this gives more credence to Michael Yon when he says all is not well over there. Anyway, I’m looking forward to the views of you and all the posters here at BC. Times are tough my friends, but chin up because the worst that can happen is you’ll die, and then you won’t know about it anyway.
My bet is on Gen McChrystal to be the first. There is just no way possible for the two of them (the general and his boss, Obama) to continue to work together. The fall out is not patch-able with an apology or beer summit.
Question: Why the timing on RS article? Maybe Gen McChrystal knows in advance he’s going to be made the scapegoat in Afghan? So the left (media included) can continue to put blames on anybody else but Obama, and his comprehensive new Afghan stategy after months and months of dithering?
Looks like the quality for a candidate in O’s admin is purely political views, not expertise or anything else.
sigh.
another Jew getting ready to abandon dhimmi status, not to mention a president destroying Israel?
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how about Geithner, wasn’t he supposed to be the first out the door?
that will leave, who, Axelrod, and Hillary’s grandmother?
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here’s the thing. WE’VE GOT WORSE PROBLEMS. Remember that little ol’ financial meltdown from last year? Ever see act IV of a horror movie? Bernanke has been piling corpses in the back room for two years now, and they may come back to life at any moment seeking revenge. Orszag has probably seen the storeroom, hundreds and hundreds of horribly mangled bodies AND THEY’RE STILL MOVING! In the night, he hears a gong, or is it distant thunder, and it’s getting louder, and it’s coming more often, and it rings for he.
It rings for he, and we.
#6 Josh
AND THEY’RE STILL MOVING!
Do you know the classic Bob Hope definition of a zombie from the 1940 film The Ghost Breakers? It’s a keeper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAIpI8IxgFs
Obama’s henchmen – each one of course long noted for personal reliability, faithful allegiance, homage, devotion; steadfastness, truehearted dependability, reliability, trustworthiness, sense of public duty, dedicated commitment; historical patriotic fealty, and such.
Of course, the real skills of this pack of thieves and perverts consist of their collective and individual mastery of the concealment of their true intentions and actions.
Chicago, remember?
Corrupt Heinous Infectious Crummily Atrocious Gang Obama
My prediction is that the true dimensions of the collapse of Obama’s own administration will be revealed with the same abruption as, say, that of the financial markets before the election. After all, concealing the imminent disaster allowed the looters like Raines, Gorelick, et al, to continue sucking the corpse dry right up the very last moment. The ghouls and vampires comprising Team Obama will continue to draw their fat salaries while quietly circulating their CVs and discrete inquiries about, oh, employment opportunities tied to immunity deals…
Possibly reckoning that Obama will not be in any position or mood to grant Presidential Pardons in ton lots as did Rectum-in-Chief Clinton.
Orszag and Emmanuel were seen recently dancing and singing the Kesselschlacht song, to the tune of We’re In The Money, that old 1930s Depression favorite.
We’re in the cauldron
The boiling cauldron
Our backs are to the river
We’re gonna die
I voted for the bright man
The right man
For me
But now I see the bright man
Was only blowing smoke and mirrors
We’re in the cauldron
The boiling cauldron
And we won’t get out of it
Never, I fear
Their gay frolic was interrupted by Axelrod, who sternly reminded them, to the tune The Good Ship Lollipop,
On the good ship H Barock
It’s a short trip to the chopping block
Where the Ton Tons play
At Macouting on a chocolate bar
With a whimsical smile and a dainty pirouette, Axelrod soft shoed out the door, leaving Orszag and Emmanuel confused and humiliated. To their consternation Obama entered, eyes cold and lips thin. He sang,
I’ll be dead when you’re glad, you rascal you
I’ll be dead when you’re sad, you rascal you
In November I’ll be dead
But when all is done and said
You’ll be dead before then, you rascal you
He stormed out, turning out the lights. In the dark, Emmanuel and Orszag hugged each other, for they knew the end of the story. They slipped out of the darkened White House, humming softly an old Willie Nelson tune. Turn Out The Lights, The Party’s Over.
Walt…
How do you do it!
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The Emperor is not for turning or learning.
His nic is Ever-Wright.
‘Government in exile
A government in exile is a political group that claims to be a country’s legitimate government, but for various reasons is unable to exercise its legal power, and instead resides in a foreign country. Governments in exile usually operate under the assumption that they will one day return to their native country and regain power.’
With the obamanation acting as if they are in abdication, do we need a national government in exile to be prepared to lead when the current beloved regime fails in its’ responsibility to protect and defend the free world?
[Does the term free world even exist any longer?]
substitute ‘foreign state of mind’ for ‘foreign country’
8 & 9 Mad Fiddler and Walt
Maybe the Kesselschlacht Song needs to be followed by a rousing chorus from The Pirates of the Gulf:
With Cat-Like Tread
Upon our prey we steal
In silence dread
Our cautious way we feel
No sound at all
We never speak a word
A fly’s footfall
Would be distinctly heard.
So stealthily the pirate creeps
While all the country soundly sleeps.
Come friends from old BP,
Truce to navigation
Take another station
Let’s vary piracy
With a little burglary . . .
With cat like tread
Upon our prey we steal
In silence dread
Our cautious way we feel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSpOZ9OcWT8
[note chorus of cowed and ineffectual police in the background]
This is what a large organization looks like when the situation suddenly veers into unknown territory and the leadership cannot adjust.
Think Stalin the first week or two after Barbarossa began. Think Weygand and Gamelin the day Rommel crossed the Meuse. Sort of going through the motions, giving the appearance of doing what they’ve always done, but really in a daze. They keep hitting the screw with a hammer because a hammer is the only tool they ever used and it’s the tool that got them there, but they sort of know it ain’t right and they sort of know they should be doing something else, but they don’t have a clue what.
Which is totally to be expected from a President and entire administration all of the same background and interests, and an ideology that is so largely fantasy. No true diversity, diversity of interests and ideas and experience, where someone in the room could say, “I was through something like this 20 years ago and here’s what I learned…”
People at BC speculate that Obama wants to tear the country down. I don’t know about that, tho I am sure his vision of what the USA should be is vastly different from most of ours, and that would explain a lot.
Not sure it matters, tho, because what’s happening would be happening regardless.
As I’ve said before, the really scary shit hasn’t started yet, but will in the next year or so. Foreign bad actors are watching all this and if there was ever any doubt, there is none left—quick, bold actions will paralyze this Commander-in-Chief better than would a decapitating first strike, because he will still be in the way of anyone else (Biden? Pelosi? Byrd?) taking charge.
We are in very deep trouble and haven’t even recognized we’re near an iceberg.
I find myself ever more pondering the deep Chinese concept of the emperors holding of the ‘Mandate of Heaven’. The words explain themselves pretty well, but it basically covers not only the competence of a ruler, a regime, a nation…. but luck, as well. In essence, are the Gods with you, or not?
Many an evangelical would say (probably not incorrectly) that our highest leaders (in the US) and most certainly our culture, has “turned it’s back on God”. More Eastern minded might talk about where our “karma” is. And the Chinese would speak of that Mandate.
Either way, it all adds up to the same — I suppose with all there is a non-scientific, supernatural element to it, so take it as you gets it.
But the question stands: Does this President…. does this country now have the “Mandate of Heaven” that we really seem to have had for 200 plus years? Do we have it now? Do we now have the “spirit” (another ephemeral, somewhat supernatural concept) that we feel this nation has always had?
Anyone out there looking around and feeling confident that we do? Anyone?
And if we have lost the Mandate, lost God, lost Karma, lost our spirit….. why and how did that happen?
Questions that keep me up later and later it seems, lately.
Send in the clowns: are you ready for President Unsafe-At-Any-Speed?
“Ralph Nader denounced President Obama’s lack of leadership on Monday and said he was leaning against, but would not rule out, a 2012 presidential bid.
In a radio interview with liberal activist Mark Green, Nader said that Obama had resorted to ‘mealy-mouthed, well-composed rhetoric’ on the BP oil spill but hasn’t backed it up with real action, like banning BP from doing business with the government. . . . ‘Would LBJ not be able to get [legislation] through when he had 59 Democrats and an independent? [Obama] doesn’t know how to deal like LBJ did. He doesn’t have that fervor,’ Nader said.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/104501-nader-blasts-obama-wont-rule-out-2012-run
It’s months of dithering in Afghanistan, weeks of inaction on the Gulf spill, but for Obamacare or stimulus/bailouts/spending it was hurry hurry hurry. The desired destruction can call for either dithering or hurrying, depending on the situation.
Perhaps Emmanuel and Orszag just never were 100% committed to the hope and change, i.e., the revolution.
On the Peter Principle, I see no signs of Obama’s competence at lesser jobs.
Instead, I think it’s a media crisis: the soap narrative no longer works on the rubes still watching TV.
Obama’s situation is just an unintended precipitate of that.
“he looked at both the prospect of defending the budget and his bride — and chose the bride.”
Our money or his wife?
“cheveux-de-frise”
RACIST!!!1!
f47 (#11):
Parliamentary systems usually spawn “shadow cabinets”.
“The Shadow Cabinet (also called the Shadow Front Bench) is a senior group of opposition spokespeople in the Westminster system of government who together under the leadership of the Leader of the Opposition form an alternative cabinet to the government’s, whose members shadow or mark each individual member of the government. Members of a shadow cabinet are often but not always appointed to a Cabinet post if and when their party gets into government. It is the Shadow Cabinet’s responsibility to pass criticism on the current government and its respective legislation, as well as offering alternative policies.”
It could be argued that the lack thereof is a weakness of the American system. (In fact, I fully expect this to be argued pro and con.
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Andrew (#14):
Our neighbor Victor Davis Hanson speaks of Hubris and Nemesis.
On a more general note, I tend towards optimism, and have hope that the situation will eventually (dear boy…) somehow get sorted out. But should it not, I will go to my grave with ill will towards those who were self-righteously convinced that Obama wasn’t much worse than an imperfect McCain, that the amount of damage he could do was limited, and that the country would then rebound to a new Reagan. It might yet pay off, but heck of a gamble, given the stakes.
Interesting: Roger Simon looks at Rahm and the other defectors as a sign that Obama is tired of being President:
“Ever since viewing his depressing and disconnected ‘energy’ speech last week, I have been mulling whether Barack Obama actually wants to be president anymore. That was an address given by a man who looked very much like he didn’t want to be there, didn’t want to continue. He appeared slumped and worn, as if he aged eighteen years in eighteen months. His demeanor was oddly distracted. . . .
Members of his cabinet are rumored to be deserting him — or he them (as if this made a difference). Most Americans despise his health care plan, which he enacted despite their opposition. The Gulf is still leaking, with no end in sight. And no one, certainly not the president, has an answer to our financial woes. And there is no reason to expect it is not going to get worse.
So what does this mean that POTUS hates his job? On the extremes, he could have a breakdown (as blogger David Thomson has predicted) or simply quit. Neither of these things are likely to happen, though they certainly are within the realm of possibility.
More likely he will stumble on, spending as much time as he can on the golf course or on vacation. Meanwhile, the role of the presidency will begin to diminish. More people will disregard his wishes. If the Republicans win big in November, he will retreat further. This man is not a fighter, because he has never had to fight. He lives in a very close, protective bubble, among people he has worked with for many years, most from Chicago. That will only increase as the wagons circle. . . ”
http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2010/06/21/does-barack-obama-want-to-be-president/
Perhaps it’s the Edmund Fitzgerald “all over again,”
Aircraft accidents are events that more often than not occur suddenly – sometimes without warning – such that the flight crew on the aircraft may never actually know the source of the problem. More often than not, around 70% of the accidents are attributable to pilot error and depending upon the rapidity of the accident, the occupants may or may not be aware of the exact time when the aircraft ventured past the point of no return – when in retrospect it was always “there”. For those aircraft where the primary error contributing to the accident results from some judgment error, it may be clear to the pilot what he did, or failed to do, just before his “Aw shit” epiphany. Some accidents caused by structural failure, may have the pilot struggling against some unknown problem and without the knowledge of what actually failed, may cause the pilot to apply the exact opposite correction, leading to an aircraft attitude from which he cannot escape.
Additionally, there may be small but contributing “existing circumstances” that in and of themselves cannot cause disaster, and may not themselves rise to perception as dangerous conditions. Notwithstanding, dangerous conditions arising as singular voices, sung intermittently, may never pose a substantial threat; but over time they can worsen a predicament and together form a chorus that morphs with changing conditions into a cacophony of destruction. While we normally equate dramatic and tragic accidents with speed and violent impacts, there are some occasions where many causes can contribute to a much quicker and more horrendous accident than could ever have been expected. The story of the Edmund Fitzgerald sinking on Lake Superior in 1975 appears to have had just such a tragic and swift end:
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/fitz.html
“Factors contributing to the sinking:
“Raising the wintertime load line.
“When a ship is filled with cargo, there is a level at which the ship rests in the water. This level is referred to as the load line. The height the load line is set is a function of season and determines the weight of the cargo the ship can transport. Between the time of her launch and its sinking, the SS Edmund Fitzgerald load line was raised 3 feet 3 1/4 inches, making her sit lower in the water. This increased the frequency and quantity of water that could flood the deck during a rough storm.
“Leaking Hatchways
“The ore was loaded through hatchways located topside. On October 31 routine damage was noted during an inspection and were [sic] scheduled for repair after the 1975 shipping season. The hatch covers were not sealed properly and were therefore not water tight, thus allowing water to enter the cargo areas. Once water entered it could migrate throughout the hold. There was no way to determine if flooding was occurring in the cargo bay until the ore was saturated, much like a sponge. Throughout the storm the ship was probably taking on water in the cargo hold though the hatches. Increased water loading, and the lower load line, made the ship sit lower in the water, allowing more water to board the ship. Eventually the “bow pitched down and dove into a wall of water (storm tossed high seas) and the vessel was unable to recover. Within a matter of seconds, the cargo rushed forward, the bow plowed into the bottom of the lake, and the midship’s structure disintegrated, allowing the submerged stern section, now emptied of cargo, to roll over and override the other structure, finally coming to rest upside-down atop the disintegrated middle portion of the ship” (Marine Accident Report SS Edmund Fitzgerald Sinking in Lake Superior).”
Reading that account of the probable demise of the Edmund Fitzgerald, a couple of thoughts jump out. The Skipper of the ship was incredibly seasoned (over 40 years of experience) with many voyages over the Gitche Gummee (Lake Superior), in all kinds of weather. Perhaps he actually knew what was happening, but gambled on hope to reach safe harbor before the end came. The Edmund Fitzgerald was, after all, a Titanic like – can’t sink – ore carrier. But perhaps also, the non-water tight hatches were simply forgotten in the calamity of the storm and the lowering in the water simply went unnoticed due the storm’s ferocity. But two things should have been checked knowing the state of the ship’s condition – the flooded cargo hold and the raising of the load line. Perhaps both were checked, but perhaps also the embarrassment of that initial oversight of so seasoned a Captain, may have prevented him from admitting the reality of the error to himself (and the Coast Guard) until it was too late:
Continuing…“This sequence of events would lead to a rapid sinking, with no time to make a distress call or attempt life-saving operations. The conditions of the recovered lifeboats support this in that they appear to have been torn from their storage racks.”
Upon reading that account, now failing to remember what led me to it, I was struck with an epiphany that revolves around the current financial, natural and war difficulties and the apparent over-reach of the Obama administration in the speed at which he is attempting to change the government – without proper oversight and, well…without permission. And to that point but perhaps even worse, is similar to what might have happened to the Edmund Fitzgerald. What is it that may be known by Obama, Emanuel and others that they simply cannot admit, or refuse to do so? Worse, that for which they are intentionally planning, without a clue as to the true eventual outcome.
Reading the tea leaves and having an Ouija Board moment perhaps derived all too soon, I was startled by the question that came to me: How fast might the Edmund Fitzgerald of America…sink? How close may we be to a precipice that we are unwilling to acknowledge, with momentum too great to arrest?
And whom else, if anyone, might have had a deliberate hand in this outcome?
And God help us if we were attacked during this miasmal funk. We would be rudderless.
I think Roger correctly senses a something that is not quite right. We’ll eventually find out what exactly is the matter. What is worrisome isn’t the possibility that a President can have problems functioning. The Constitution anticipates that. What’s worrisome is the deer-in-the-headlines response of the institutions which would potentially work out these situations. It’s disturbing that General McChrystal should criticize the President openly. Military men should not do that. But if the civil institutions (the press, the Senate and political institutions) are unable to 1) clarify; 2) reassure 3) act in a timely fashion then you will have more incidents that inevitably damage the system.
The system is supposed to ascertain the facts discreetly, rationally and consensually. It already seems to have failed the a priori quality control task. But it still has an a posteriori role. If the the President is fundamentally competent it is the duty of the system to reassure the public this is so. To tell the doubters they’ve got it wrong. But so PC-shy, compromised and yoked to the system have the gatekeepers become that there is no clean rag left to tidy up the dirty rags. It’s not just the President that is going down in flames, but the whole pyramid that generated, validated and nurtured him.
Where are the unimpeachable voices, the respected judges, the sage professors, the holy and wise men, the men above suspicion who can look inside the Holy of Holies and say … thus? We have abolished them. In their place we’ve installed reality show contestants, celebrities, freaks, and talking heads. You wouldn’t take kewpie doll from them. With the system in that condition, stasis results and we’re only going to get more McChrystal incidents.
And if it so happens that the President, as Roger speculates, has a breakdown or manifestly gets in over his head, where are these sages who can depute themselves into the Oval Office and persuade the President to do … thus? Or are we in a situation where only the strict letter of the law, as exercised by the Senate, will decide all? Once the lawyers get in on it, the odds get slimmer.
Whatever happens from here on to the end the major blame must fall on institutions like the media. While we don’t know what ails the President completely, we know what afflicts some parts of the media to a nicety. You can reasonably predict the steady of the turning of the coats, the feigned awakening, the fake realizations that are far more sickening than the pitiful sight that the President may present. It’s called opportunism. How long till certain former ‘conservatives’ who style themselves anti-Christianists proclaim that they’ve suspected all along? No, please. Spare us that.
Obama did not afflict the country like some Biblical plague. The establishment brought him on themselves.
Nor should we be surprised that having precipitated the catastrophe on themselves that this same elite will lack the wit to pry the hatchet from their skulls. After all if they were smart enough to fix this, why the hell weren’t they smart enough to see it coming? Logically I can only conclude that they’ll act with as much competence as they’ve shown they don’t have.
The Left has the remarkably ability to chew off its own arm to preserve that inner, shrieking beast. It will throw the last of its spawn into the flames to keep its miserable memes going, and it will probably do so now. Society will have gained nothing if they can dispose of their problems by turning their backs on Barack Obama. This has to finish and not be heaped upon one man. That’s the original definition of a scapegoat. The meme which falsely states that we should give up our freedom to the elect must be pinned to the spotlight right until the end. Right until it drives a stake through its own heart, by its own volition, by its own self-hatred. We must either learn of our own accord or we will have only postponed our doom to another day.
i’ve always wondered how they were going to sack capitalism and yet hold onto the union pension money invested in the capital markets. in fact there’s no way to flip the system to something new and not lose the unions a whole lot of their member retirement money. that’s why i’ve been so worried –there’s no midle position, a middling can’t be done, meaning the attack on the old system must *either* fail on purpose (which would make the attack worse than pointless –in fact it’s de-facto where we are right now, neither here nor there, standing on one leg with hand cupped to ear and grim-set jaw, watching the uncertainty becoming more every day obviously a drag on everybody including the unions’ income), *or* the plan is civil war –which would vaporize equity values (including union pension funds) to the point that the plan could only be to eliminate the bourgoisie and nationalize its stuff –iow, Lenin revolution all the way.
Really, it has to be one or the other.
Really, the plan has to be one or the other –either this massive debt dollar depression clusterf**k or they’ve got to pretty quicklike find a way to get the red states under lock and key.
if #1, then who is gonna feed and maintain the unions? They can’t farm, they’ll need helotes.
if #2, then there’s a war planned.
Either way, there’s a dark spot unfilled –there must be a third party, with ability to absorb a favored demi-aristocracy of skilled and productive, as well as the ability to neutralize the red staters and rurals. A war might look like it’s between nations but actually be the global ”connection” breaking out the housekeeping tools.
Cities and nuclear weapons fit like hand and glove; cities contain the costly needy as well as the masonry that knocked down would need a national effort to rebuild –the survivors will have a fifty year steady productive job.
And the conspiracy people (i guess incl me, tho i like to consider this line of thought as better forewarned than struck dumb) keep accusing the recent Bilderberger meeting in Italy of discussing that very thing. oh, and the attendees –so many involved in this spate of accidents that began with with the real estate prices in USA going parabolic about six months before the 2006 election, when the ‘good’ info marked the Dems as taking both houses, and running right thru to today and the BP people.
Anyhoo, maybe that’s why we feel so weird and out to sea –sensing that the world overlords are having these ‘people are the problem’ thoughts.
It wasn’t so long ago that people were golden, valuable, creators of new markets and economic activity. Ten billion is not too many people for a world with that attitude –esp with the tools we now have to fine tune trade. Look at ”overcrowded” India –with no more density than New Jersey. somehow this dreary hopelessness has settled upon us like fine gray ash that we’ve lost the will to brush off and go put out the damned fire, wherever it is.
“The Left has the remarkably ability to chew off its own arm to preserve that inner, shrieking beast. It will throw the last of its spawn into the flames to keep its miserable memes going, and it will probably do so now. “
As I have said many times here, leftists can never admit error of any kind, ever, because their worldview and memeset cannot survive even the smallest hint of being perceived as imperfect. If Obama set fire to a busload of second graders, most Obama voters would cut off their own hand with a plastic butterknife than say anything negative about the act.
Thank you, Wretchard, for saying much better in a few words what I have been saying many ways since 9/11.
Your words explain why the left could never name Muslim extremists as a great evil when the tosers came down – that would mean that their fixation on the evil white male CHristian heterosexual capitalist (a haterd which defines them) would be challenged). Why the NPR-listening left considers a few skinheads with a couple thousand bucks between them (admittedly very bad people) a far greater threat to our safety and society than millions of oil funded and well organized Islamicists or marxist academics who are heavily funded by tax money and possess the bully pulpit of university lecterns, Why the emasculation of Hollywood and television and music and literature was permitted to reach the state it has today, Why the left gives permission to people of low intelligence and competence permission to go about thinking that they are MENSA material if they only parrot the talking points (understanding optional). And so on.
It is clear that Obama and his inner circle have achieved epic failure in terms of leadership and competence. It is even clear to many in the machine. But admitting to less than perfection is the proverbial card being withdrawn from the rest of the house, causing collapse. They won’t do the hard thing and admit error, necessitating a rethink of the memeset, until the world is in flames, and maybe not even then.
And yes, to use your words, the stake has to be driven through the heart of the beast. The next center/right president and congress must exact retribution and possess the courage and language skills to do what George Bush senior failed to do – kill the beast. Defund, defame, and destroy, using the bully pulpit.
Good post, sir.
Someone famous once said; “Never attribute to malice what can be accounted for by incompetence.” or something like that.
Frankly, I doubt that Berry has it together enough to accomplish anything involving malice. He is just your standard, garden variety Marxist, which mean he has never gotten beyond the Dogma. That doesn’t mean he isn’t dangerous. Malice is always more limited in scope then incompetence.
The real danger will be in late September, early October. Back in April, the Donks thought they would lose a few house seats and maybe 1 or 2 Senate seats. Now it is looking like those of us predicting the house would flop were correct. It is also looking like 4 or 5 Senate seats are in danger. The big one being ‘dirty’ Harry, of course.
The donks are getting worried. If 2010 turns out to be 1994 or worse, Obama won’t be President this time next year.
It is no accident that Chicago style politics are illegal. Obama has broken enough laws to make impeachment a snap. Conviction will depend on how many Democratic Senators are feeling twitchy about their chances in ’12. From the number of rats leaving the ship, one has to wonder about the water level inside the hull. Unemployment will skyrocket once all those census takers are back on the street. Competing with this summer’s crop of graduates.
It will be looking pretty grim for “the one” in about 60 days.
His only chance of surviving will be to find an emergency serious enough to allow him to declare martial law and take over the government. It’s been done before. In Germany, Venezuela, and Iraq just to mention a few.
Then the question becomes, “Will the citizens stand for it?”
If they do, then America is toast. If they don’t, we have a civil war.
What with the Military falling apart because DADT has been revoked, Obama would be a fool to give all those unemployed combat vets a cause. Did I mention incompetence being more dangerous then malice? Mix them together and you have a toxic brew.
speaking of having enemies at the gates,
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/archives/14765-Invitation-to-join-Friends-Of-Israel.html
and
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10372558.stm
“Gen McChrystal summoned home” –how typical. Obama should have ignored the RS article. But no, he’s got to “kick ass” –stoopid stoopid stoopid –
and
http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/asia/US-Funds-Used-to-Pay-Afghan-Warlords-96865469.html
did someone mention, air of unreality?
Obama plans to “an unpalatable menu of choices… for presentation to Republicans against a November loss by the President’s party”? Clinton tried that in 1995; it didn’t work. The public swallowed the Republican cuts without flinching; people are much more willing to make sacrifices than the political class believes.
If the Republicans are handed control of Congress in the fall what they could do is immediately pass a balanced budget simply by passing the 2007 budget, which is when expenditures more or less matched the tax revenues being brought in today. Passing a balanced budget amendment would be popular, too, and should have been done years ago. And if they really want to impress everyone and cement their control for a very long time, they should also pass a term limits amendment, and make a big deal about ending the obscene gerrymandering that makes half the elections in the country a joke. The main point they need to make is that the Republicans are the party that wants to behave responsibly, and wants to shift power from the self-interested political class to the people and the states.
The Big Zero knows he has over-spent the economy and needs someone to take it out on. It’s clear the budget is in going down the toilet. The untimely departure of Orszag is not a surprise.
I believe the Big Zero will bleed the military dry then cut and run in Afghanistan. He needs for money from the military to subsidize his vote buying schemes. Besides the Rolling Stone article here are some more indicators of the Big Zero’s plan bleed the military to death and take the money:
Email from a NCO:
[After] Receiving mortar fire during an overnight mission, his unit called for a 155mm howitzer illumination round to be fired to reveal the enemy’s location. The request was rejected “on the grounds that it may cause collateral damage.” The NCO says that the only thing that comes down from an illumination round is a canister… Returning from a mission, his unit took casualties from an improvised explosive device that the unit knew had been placed no more than an hour earlier. “There were villagers laughing at the U.S. casualties” and “two suspicious individuals were seen fleeing the scene and entering a home.” U.S. forces “are no longer allowed to search homes without Afghan National Security Forces personnel present.” But when his unit asked Afghan police to search the house, the police refused on the grounds that the people in the house “are good people.”
See: Rules of Engagement too Prohibitive to Achieve Sustained Tactical Success
BY Herschel Smith
http://tinyurl.com/269gapg
Perpetually Useful Headlines; a proposed collective series.
1. Psychic Arrested: They Didn’t See It Coming.
Orzag’s successor? I’m hoping Barney Frank will step up and work with Joe Biden. Then we can call it “Frank and Beans” economics.
l/30; –the admin began attacking Karzai almost the instant it took office. Now Karzai has got the message and our soldiers are catching hell. What a stupid, ignorant, bunch of fools –that is, if they wanted to win. Otherwise, simply hire Holbrooke and Hillary, and just sit back and watch America take one in the belly. This is the bunch that *love* how Vietnam turned out. And, jesus Lord, we put them in office, and they control the war effort.
Big News that is swept under the carpet by the cascade of little news.
In Oakland an alliance of Islamists, Communists and Anti-Semites backed the West Coast Longshoreman’s Union in refusing to unload an Israeli ship. The West Coast Longshoreman’s Union has been a known subversive threat to our national security for almost 100 years. Their efforts to impose on behalf of foreign interests a radical agenda goes back to the days of the IWW (Wobblies) and for decades the government factored in the need to prevent their efforts to frustrate military operations in the Pacific.
Now the dance is coming to an end and all the characters that were waiting in the shadows are coming out.
I hear you buddy. But, 51.0999% of the public voted for this idiot. I did not. I think that 51% wants another Vietnam – and they may get it.
@32 Salt Lick, speaking of Barney Frank and Fannie Mae, let’s dust off the TNOYF’s Cuckoos nest and the housing crisis denial session:
http://tinyurl.com/4gxytj
Buddy, Rosinette and Sgian Dbuh:
I think the three of you have all the ingredients for The Recipe (flashback to “The Walton’s” there).
The whole idea of a crisis to overshadow and dilute the monetary mess is exactly what the foot dragging in the gulf of Mexico has been about. Problem is, the numb, general populace is beginning to add 2 and 2 together and recognizing how solutions could have been implemented much sooner. Analogy: the potato salad has sat out too long.
This necessitates yet another crisis to draw attentions, but when the lights pan to the next ring of the circus, will it be the act that the ringmaster expects? That’s where the break in control will happen, where the card – counters messe up and it all falls down. Rosinette, I’m all but certain that none of these silky handed metro’s have ever been in a real crisis and the unraveling will only pick up velocity from there.
Sgian, that’s where the physic starts. A nice dose of castor oil to purge what ails. Unpleasant, but a necessary beginning, where with a bit of luck and Providence smiling our exceptionalism will again carry the day.
Buddy, the union monies be damned. They put their chip on the table the same as the rest of us, I hope it wakes them up to what they’ve been feeding all these years. The ones it doesn’t flip, well, we don’t want them anyway.
First of, thank you Wretchard for the Stalingrad reference on this, the 69th anniversary of the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. One can mention that Stalin was the last man on Earth to trust Adolf Hitler but all honest Belmont Clubbers have to acknowledge the fact that 80% of all the Axis killed or captured (including 70% of German casualties and one million demoralized Japanese killed or caught in 1945) occurred on the Eastern Front. D-Day and all the rest as we know it short of mushroom clouds over Berlin or the war ending in 1947 would not have been possible without Russian sacrifices.
Second, this is what happens when you have a President who does not want to be another LBJ and a top commander who does not want to be his Westmoreland again fighting a guerrilla enemy on his home turf with unlimited resupply of materiel if not manpower from a country we dare not invade directly (Pakistan, instead of Mao’s China or the USSR). We can swarm Pakistan’s tribal areas with UAVs just like we bombed the Ho Chih Minh Trail but I’m not sure that’s gonna work.
In the end Afghanistan was the training camp for the people who attacked us but it was never their recruiting heartland nor was it their source of money or ideological center. Rumsfeld was slammed for saying Afghanistan didn’t present enough targets but he also happened to be telling the truth, and he was also right that he had to go to war with the size of all-volunteer military we had and if he’d resigned someone else would have done the same.
It’s looking more and more that Obama has been a fad, like the Hula Hoop or Pet Rocks or the Tulip Bubble.
His popularity and the general and specific way people as a group, the media and the culture have acted toward him have all the features that sociologists associate with fads, and many of the features that economic historians and financial writers associate with market bubbles.
Of course it’s a little different to be left with 3 hula hoops in the garage, versus an empty suit (or worse) as a President with 2+ years left in his term.
No matter the fall out, because we all know the Big One(s) hasn’t happened yet, I find myself less and less able to absorb all these changes, less and less able to anticipate and cope with the frantic speed.
In the end, there is only Faith, Family, and Friends to sustain myself. There won’t be too much else left.
Buddy @ 24 – sounds like he’s been listening to some Alex Jones about the Bildebergers wanting to get their war on. Except Iran doesn’t seem like enough, and the NoKos already have nukes. So who’s left to play?
“What’s going on? These successive events are so extrordinarily suggestive that pundits are at loss to interpret them within the normal framework of commentary.”
What going on is what the Administration thinks is Business As Usual. But it ain’t.
These young radicals and bureaucratic acrobats are used to creating crises. They define them and thus manage them. They are the only ones that can manage them, because it is like playing “Simon says.” And only they get to be Simon. The crisis ain’t fixed until they say it is.
So they assume that it’s just another case of figuring out how to work with Simon. One approach is to ignore him and say “You’re not Simon, I am.” Another is to find out what he Really Wants and Cut a Deal. Shoot for Dick Cheney and settle for Scooter Libby. And as a side benefit, Fitzgerald, about to be fired for cause along with 7 other Federal prosecutors, gets to keep his job.
But this time it’s not a guy in a rubber suit doing Godzilla among some HO scale buildings. It really is Godzilla.
They are like smooth talker in “Die Hard” figuring he can cut a deal with the terrorists and get everyone back to the party before the caviar gets warm. “Hey, booby, I’m you’re white knight!” Only this time the guys across the table are not some corporate raiders looking for a fast buck. They are Viking raiders looking to some heads to decorate their boat.
“What I don’t know is which of McChrystal’s aides thought it would be a good idea to let his senior staff speak on background to Rolling Stone (!) of all publications, venting McChrystal’s frustrations and their own.”
Hopefully, it represents the attitude of a vast majority of our military.
And, the GOP leadership forces Barton to apologize for TELLING THE TRUTH about the BP shakedown. Someone on FoxNews argues it not a shakedown because BP volunteered the money.
Rolling Stone Mcchrystal Article
Ledger @ 30:
The magazine story shows that McChrystal is also facing criticism from some of his own troops who have grown frustrated with new rules that force commanders be extraordinarily judicious in using lethal force.
A few weeks ago, according to the magazine, the general traveled to a small outpost in Kandahar Province, in southern Afghanistan, to meet with a unit of soldiers reeling from the loss of a comrade, 23-year-old Cpl. Michael Ingram.
The corporal was killed in a booby-trapped house that some of the unit’s commanders had unsuccessfully sought permission to blow up.
One soldier at the outpost showed Hastings, who was traveling with the general, a written directive instructing troops to “patrol only in areas that you are reasonably certain that you will not have to defend yourself with lethal force.”
During a tense meeting with Ingram’s platoon, one sergeant tells McChrystal: “Sir, some of the guys here, sir, think we’re losing, sir.”
McChrystal has championed a counterinsurgency strategy that prioritizes protecting the population as a means to marginalize and ultimately defeat the insurgency. Because new rules sharply restrict the circumstances under which air strikes and other lethal operations that have resulted in civilian casualties can be conducted, some soldiers say the strategy has left them more exposed.
June is on track to be the deadliest month for NATO troops in Afghanistan since the war began nearly nine years ago.
Washington Post
The Post already has Obama’s back!
It seems like there are no closed systems left, and that is wresting from everyone’s hands the ability to manage what’s happening. No more closed borders for nation states, closed info loops, even the contained ideologies and political categories are breaking down.
The left has always been fundamentally about control: of the individual, property, the levers of power. For one (big) thing, its materialist roots entail a world view that denies the existence of anything beyond the natural world, even individual consciousness and free will when you get right down to it.
It’s no wonder they’re fracturing along with their efforts to manage this increasingly open system we call life on earth. But this is one big can of whuppass, and it’s not just being opened up on them. Always Right @ 39 is, in this case, right; faith in particular is going to play a big role in how this turns out.
Wretchard states:
The Left has the remarkably ability to chew off its own arm to preserve that inner, shrieking beast. It will throw the last of its spawn into the flames to keep its miserable memes going, and it will probably do so now. Society will have gained nothing if they can dispose of their problems by turning their backs on Barack Obama. This has to finish and not be heaped upon one man. That’s the original definition of a scapegoat. The meme which falsely states that we should give up our freedom to the elect must be pinned to the spotlight right until the end. Right until it drives a stake through its own heart, by its own volition, by its own self-hatred. We must either learn of our own accord or we will have only postponed our doom to another day.
I wish you wouldn’t hold back like that.
They say there is no such thing as a stupid question, and my usual comeback is, that’s correct: there are only stupid questioners.
But having said that, Mr. Stupid here wants to know:
Why not nuke it?
Nuke the Post?
47. Reformed Trombonist…
I’ve read various explanations.
Perhaps Buddy Larsen can help us all on that one.
He’s our local source of expertise in the field.
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I thot he meant the blowout, but the Post is far more destructive!
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Washington Examiner
But they are especially angered by Ingram’s death. His commanders had repeatedly requested permission to tear down the house where Ingram was killed, noting that it was often used as a combat position by the Taliban. But due to McChrystal’s new restrictions to avoid upsetting civilians, the request had been denied. “These were abandoned houses,” fumes Staff Sgt. Kennith Hicks. “Nobody was coming back to live in them.”
One soldier shows me the list of new regulations the platoon was given. “Patrol only in areas that you are reasonably certain that you will not have to defend yourselves with lethal force,” the laminated card reads. For a soldier who has traveled halfway around the world to fight, that’s like telling a cop he should only patrol in areas where he knows he won’t have to make arrests. “Does that make any f–king sense?” Pfc. Jared Pautsch. “We should just drop a f–king bomb on this place. You sit and ask yourself:
What are we doing here?”
The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
I agree with Wretchard that Obama is not to blame for what is happening ALL BY HIMSELF. There are wheels within wheels, yada, yada, yada…. (you all know the drill).
However, I blame Obama for not seeing what was happening and being done to him and saying, “I oppose”.
I blame Obama for not standing and saying, “This is the greatest nation and experiment in the world,…ever. Let us work together to make it better.” And then doing it.
I blame Obama for not observing carefully the effects of the WH policies and making adjustments as needed.
I blame Obama for not considering that his children and his grandchildren will grow up and live in the nation that results from the current debacle.
I blame Obama for not growing and maturing from being a lightweight politician to becoming a solid, responsible statesman.
But when all is said and done, we as a people put Obama there. What a sad commentary on those who actively abetted this mess. May God forgive them, and I will continually pray for God’s forgiveness for the anger I bear towards them.
Walt – “We’re In the Cauldron”. One of your best. I’m afraid we’re all in the cauldron now.
The Washington Monument Defense? Talk about flawed strategy. The President proposes, the Congress disposes. Who is going to cry for Argentina if a new Congress proposes a two year pay freeze on federal salaries like Cameron has proposed in Britain? I earnestly hope that if the Republicans take back the House (the constitutional body with the power to propose revenue measures) they remember The First Rule of Holes.
PA Cat @ 7: Good point!
wretchard @ 22: This is a lovely screen of doom, but I do have some quibbles with the details.
Obama did not afflict the country like some Biblical plague. The establishment brought him on themselves.
Plague or not it’s in the Bible: Golden Calf.
It’s disturbing that General McChrystal should criticize the President openly. Military men should not do that.
Well, he *didn’t* do it openly.
But, I’m not sure that a little open disagreement wouldn’t be better, as long as it’s clearly understood that losing the public argument is losing the job, possibly with a dishonorable discharge. That was after all McCain’s solution to torture – make it illegal, and expect people to break the law as necessary.
The system is supposed to ascertain the facts discreetly, rationally and consensually.
Big systems are blunt instruments, expectations of smooth functioning of any kind are inappropriate. The wheels of fate grind slowly, but exceedingly fine, and all that.
Bloomberg is reporting that BP was trying to fill cracks in the well in February and told MMS on Feb 13, according to guvmint documents. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-17/bp-struggled-with-cracks-in-gulf-well-as-early-as-february-documents-show.html
I’m not an oil man, but others have apparently abandoned a well in similar situations. The Bloomberg article alleges that BP was taking the cheap, and dangerous way out.
It has also been alleged by others that BP was not following the applicable governing drilling codes, and was allowed to do so by MMS, ( I don’t know if this is true). As a design professional, I know the adopted code at the time is the minimum
” standard of care” by which you must follow. If there is an accident and someone dies, and you didn’t follow the code, you are on the hook for manslaughter. It’s that simple. So it would appear, if these allegations are true, that all those BP execs who gathered on the Deepwater Horizon prior to the blowout are in deep trouble, as well as possibly those at MMS that allowed ( if they did) sub-code methods to be used in a known dangerous situation.
The only way most bureaucrats would ever risk such a situation is either that they are paid off directly or more likely, if some one upstairs has over ruled them. And usually in a dangerous, life and death situation, it has to be pretty high upstairs. The rats, they may be a scurrying’ en because they know an ugly investigation is coming down.
Obama needs Orszag “to put together the crucial 2011 budget”? What about the 2010 budget? We still don’t have one. We’re not going to get one, either. Hoyer is expected to announce today that they’ve given up on it. What is a budget director supposed to direct in this environment? We’re already over the legally allowable debt limit we’ve recently raised and nobody has the stomach to raise it more. So, time has come to bury heads in the sand over budgeting and make it all go away. The reality is too unthinkable for free-spending politicians!
Cowboy @ 56: Yes indeed. No 2010 budget, if I was Orszag I’d be out the door, too. The US government is now officially in a state of collapse. Have a nice day.
Josh @ 54: That was supposed to be screeD of Doom.
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ps – speaking of doom, the ex-head of Shell, on Hannity yesterday, very informed and rational guy who has been making the rounds for the past few weeks, outlined the possibility that the relief wells might not succeed in shutting down the leak, in which case we would have to BLOW IT UP! That’s the first time I’ve heard informed opinion in favor of the explosive solution. He did not get into the odds of that working, or the downside if it doesn’t.
Why isn’t the GOP hammering the Democrats about putting off the budget until after the election?
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I wonder why “Kesselschlacht” was not used instead of “Shock and Awe?”
MSM answer:
Bush could not pronounce it.
An angry President Obama summoned his top commander in Afghanistan to Washington on Tuesday after a magazine article portrayed the general and his staff as openly contemptuous of some senior members of the Obama administration.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/world/asia/23mcchrystal.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
Unsk @ 55: Very damning article. Now, one can argue that BP was OK after all because they WERE shutting down the well, when it blew, and this was only an exploratory-only well from the start, if I understand correctly. BUT apparently they continued to take shortcuts even after the danger, had a compromised BOP, pulled out the mud too quickly, etc. Even while attempting the right action, continued shortcuts in the face of observed dangers, are below a standard of operation, as you say.
And I just too sadly believe that the top execs had no idea of the problems there, either they didn’t want to know, or the local ops management didn’t want to say, or both. This was expensive enough and risky enough that “you’d think” top management would stay informed, but when you’re a yachting type, well, enough said. As I have ranted about quite a bit on BC, poor management is the modern plague, and no doubt how empires fall.
Or is it the 2011 budget that we don’t have?
I was in an analogous situation once (on a small scale), I’d been trying for weeks to get the big boss’s attention the national trade show coming up, I’d done the previous one and had had to rush everything, so I wanted more lead time. He ignored me. I quit, for that and several other similar reasons. And then he said, “oh, but we were counting on you for the big trade show.” I think I literally snorted as my only response.
Josh,
I think it is standard practice to seal the well until later when production crew arrives.
I was amazed to learn that they use multiple shaped charges to perforate the casing and concrete to re-open the well.
Reality is always more complex than our immaginations.
59. mezzrow’s link:
“A senior administration official said Mr. Obama was furious about the article, particularly with the suggestion that he was uninterested and unprepared to discuss the Afghanistan war after he took office.
The magazine article, “The Runaway General,” quotes aides of General McChrystal saying the general was “pretty disappointed” by an Oval Office meeting with Mr. Obama, and that he found the president “uncomfortable and intimidated” during a Pentagon meeting with General McChrystal and several other generals.
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Little did the General know:
Obama has been focused like a laser on Afghanistan since day one.
He is an accomplished multi-tasking laser focuser:
The economy,
the oil spill,
Afghanistan…
etc.
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In case anyone missed it:
Rolling Stone Mcchrystal Article
I came upon this link almost by accident.
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Damn!
They got rid of the link to the PDF.
I’ll try to upload and link it.
Googling around the McChrystal news this morning … I say Obama’s best move at this point would be to fire his ass. Which, knowing Obama as we do, probably means he won’t.
I am reading The Book of Jeremiah again these days. The more I’ve learned about the history of that ancient time period, the more Jeremiah’s warnings and observations sound almost exactly like some of the comments posted here.
There has been some speculation by a reader on The Oil Drum that the subsurface casing is not only cracked, but is progressively failing. If the casing were intact, top kill should have worked. They were forcing mud down the bore but apparently losing the fluid into the surrounding strata, so top kill was abandoned. The reader proposed that the reason the remaining drill pipe was sawn off, even though it would increase the flow coming out of the Lower Marine Riser Package, is that it would lower the pressure of the escaping oil & gas on the damaged casing, and buy BP enough time to get their relief wells drilled. The conjecture is that if the pressure wasn’t lowered, the escaping oil & gas would eventually bore out around the casing, reach the sea floor and then be completely uncontainable by pretty much any means except skimming once it reached the surface.
If this is the case, then things could actually be far worse than any of us think. The poster suggests that the entire Macondo Prospect oil field (1.5-2 billion barrels) could leak out over a period of years. Pray for a solid hit on the relief well as soon as possible.
At the recommendation of a poster here (would give credit but can’t remember who — y’all are all well-read and bright) I’ve been reading Leonard Pelikoff’s The Ominous Parallels. Pelikoff’s description of the Nazi’s concentration camps of a place where reason was deliberately eliminated sounds like a souped-up version of the current Administration’s seeming rudderlessness. Their only plan is action where action is not needed — pass the healthcare bill, pass the Cap & Trade bill, sue Arizona over enforcing the federal government’s own laws, spend money we don’t have, redouble efforts once goals have been lost. Conversely, when action is actually necessary the full weight of government bureaucracy is brought to bear to grind action to a halt. Preserve the Jones Act, enforce fire extinguisher & lifeguard regulations, demand an environmental impact study before dredging offshore berms. Cogitate for three months over troop deployments when action would seem to be necessary. Halt all offshore drilling for six months and then blame BP for the economic impact.
Whenever there is a choice between thinking and doing, our current President seems inclined to pick the wrong activity, at least from my worldview. This is at least consistent, he criticized the former Administration incessantly for in essence “doing” when it should have been “thinking” (Iraq) and “thinking” when it should have been “doing” (Katrina). I prefer to think that this is simply because of a fundamental worldview difference between myself and the President, I prefer to believe it’s not intentionally making things worse. Bobby Jindal is doing precisely what my worldview would suggest, which is to get all hands on deck and do everything that seems like it might work to intercept the oil and protect his state.
Barack Obama is doing precisely what it appears his worldview suggests — circumvent the slow court system (which he does not control) to extort money from BP up-front, and allow the slow bureaucracy to “work” when it comes to (not)helping the cleanup. To me, it is nonsensical, which leads to the suspicion that there is a motive that is at cross-purposes to helping the country as I know it.
There’s always the possibility of incompetence, and it’s a sad statement that I (and likely many of you) have to cling to that unpleasant explanation for the actions and inactions of our Chief Executive in order to forestall the much more worrisome conclusion that he really is trying to wreck the country.
Sent PDF to Wretchard.
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Scary stuff, Darren.
Haven’t read that yet at “The Oil Drum.”
I will now.
Darren @ 66: Great post, esp:
At the recommendation of a poster here (would give credit but can’t remember who — y’all are all well-read and bright) I’ve been reading Leonard Pelikoff’s The Ominous Parallels. Pelikoff’s description of the Nazi’s concentration camps of a place where reason was deliberately eliminated sounds like a souped-up version of the current Administration’s seeming rudderlessness. Their only plan is action where action is not needed — pass the healthcare bill, pass the Cap & Trade bill, sue Arizona over enforcing the federal government’s own laws, spend money we don’t have, redouble efforts once goals have been lost. Conversely, when action is actually necessary the full weight of government bureaucracy is brought to bear to grind action to a halt. Preserve the Jones Act, enforce fire extinguisher & lifeguard regulations, demand an environmental impact study before dredging offshore berms. Cogitate for three months over troop deployments when action would seem to be necessary. Halt all offshore drilling for six months and then blame BP for the economic impact.
I understand Obama’s backwards-think, I seem to be wired somewhat that way myself, and it can be useful, it can give new perspectives, BUT if one is wired that way one needs to recognize it and seek the ordinary, the front-forwards view, that everyone else is looking at, and that 98% of the time is the right view.
Obama the community organizer and (from notes here on BC) an *actual* mau-mau, doesn’t do doing. That should be obvious to all by now. This is a not uncommon personality trait. But, I guess it’s not PC to recognize personality traits these days, we are all the same, kumbaya. And the Marxist/Leninist/progressive/Rousseauian romantic view is that things take care of themselves, with the Obama/Reid/Pelosi/KOS/HuffPo addendum that all government actions by Republicans are evil, and all government actions by Democrats are good. Yeah right.
Here’s an interesting debate topic: IF the casing is leaking, IF the entire geological structure is failing – should BP be held responsible? There were some reports of cracking as the drilling was on the way down. I don’t grok geology or drilling to the extent of understanding the significance. Would any practices and prudent management have had any different results? I don’t suppose we expect anyone to give up at first difficulty – or do we? And if the worst happens – do we drop a megaton H-bomb on it and hope for the best? Or just set up one humongous set of skimmers and suckers and live with it, selling the oil, for the next ten years?
I tend to rely a lot on intuition for mental “gap jumping” and model-building. While this does speed things along, there are always those instances where the actual answer is counter-intuitive, and so your axis of advance is 180 degrees from where it should be. The answer to hitting a golf ball father is not to “swing harder” — based on physics this is the intuitive answer, but the real-world solution is to swing better, which often means doing the counter-intuitive thing. I am always fascinated by the counter-intuitive situation, in part because my initial and seemingly logical answer is often completely wrong. Right answers you get by guessing are rarely as instructive as a wrong answer where you get the opportunity to fine-tune your mental processes. These are especially valuable when being proved wrong doesn’t cost you anything.
The intuitive solution to the BP well is “plug the damn hole”. This may in fact be the absolute wrong thing to do if the subsurface structure is damaged or failing, which is why the counter-intuitive answer of cutting off the riser pipe and increasing flow may save the day in the long run. Either way, I will learn from what happens and reevaluate my positions as data comes in.
Intuition depends a lot on what you knew and what your biases were before you were confronted with the problem, and it’s safe to say that BHO’s knowledge base, preexisting biases and prior experiences are vastly different than mine, which may be why his intuitive answers and mine overlap rarely if at all.
People who were paying attention knew that liberalism was a failure 70 years ago, after FDR turned an ordinary recession into the great depression by following the path of liberalism.
From the git-go I’ve assumed that it doesn’t much matter whether He is a fool or a knave. However, the speculation about what He would do differently if He were intentionally trying to wreck the country is an interesting thought experiment.
Besides, “fool or knave?” can quickly evolve into a metaphysical discussion – “banality of evil” and all that.
Finally, as others have mentioned, the Statist (Leftist) elites, especially MSM, are the true culprits. Can’t express strongly enuf my true feelings towards them.
If it can be shown that cleanup and compensation costs would have been less had the govt not dragged it’s feet on various regulations, would the govt then be stuck with a percentage of the clean-up costs?
It wasn’t the New York Times that said that — it was their conservative Op-Ed columnist, Ross Douthat (the guy who replaced Bill “PNAC Man” Kristol), and like his predecessor, he’s an idiot. (Check the last paragraph.)
And McChrystal is another idiot: jawing openly about normal backroom military boy mouthing stuff to a Rolling Stone reporter of all people — WTF! Iraq was a complete clusterf*ck from end to end (and, yes, that includes the so-called surge), but I don’t hold the soldiers and their commanders responsible for that — they were doing what good soldiers need to do, following orders the best they could, including the generals STFUing about their opinions of Bush. Admiral Fallon had a much more mildly open disagreement with Bush’s policies, and he resigned, as he should have.
Obama comes into office and refocuses immediately on al-Qaeda and bin-Laden, as he should, and that’s when we get a numbnutted general not just shooting his mouth off about policy but also make snide personal remarks. Everyone knows what he should.
As far as the other stuff in the article goes, it’s just the same old, same old right wingery.
Obama focusing on al-Queda and bin-Laden? Immediately????
Or you utterly delusional?
Regardless, nobody in their right mind cares about Bin-Laden anyway. He’s not in control of al-Queda and hasn’t been for years.
BC, where you been, bud?
Man, there is so much good that your man is doing for this country,
like:
The Iranian engagement thing is working out great, just like he said
Looks like he’s whipped unemployment and has our economy roaring.
Laser focus on jobs, right?
The Oil Spill? Not his fault. Refusing foreign vessels to protect
Unions under the Jones Act? Delays in allowing Louisiana to build offshor berms? Let me get back to you on those.
I got my free health care!
Growing Federal debt at 15-20%/year in an economy growing 3%; we’ll
worry about that later. How much is a Trillion anyway?
He could get more done if the Dems controlled both houses of Congress:
just imagine!
Foreclosures are down and housing values are moving on up!
I’m so thankful for patriots like you who had the wisdom to elect
this man.
Either way, I will learn from what happens and reevaluate my positions as data comes in.
That, and survive your errors, and always keep moving.
That’s what gripes about Obama, as you point out, he stands still when he should move, and moves aggressively when he should move slowly or not at all.
… but in golf, I found that swinging harder is *exactly* what I did need to do, to hit the ball further. Sometimes things are just that easy!
Ashen – The Vietnam comparison is not accurate. U.S. combat power was only there in strength for about 6 years and they won. The loss occurred after American troops left – when Nixon and Congress betrayed the South by cutting off aid and not holding the North to the Paris Accords.
Something is very wrong in Afghanistan. Either McChrystal is being micro-managed from above with the ROE’s, or he has totally blown it. Either way, looks like he has lost it and needs to be replaced.
BC – Obama refocused immediately on al-Qaeda and bin-Laden?
Hmm… Too bad we can’t actually shoot members of AQ any more. As for Bin Laden, it’s well known he is living comfortably in Iran. Thankfully, Obama’s reset with the Iranians has gone so well that…
Okay, No need to worry about anything!!the political dipweed experts on “the View”…have it all figured out.
George Stephanaopoulos was on there today and everyone’s bad except pooooor Obama….so misunderstood, pukes.
When every I turn that program on , I remember why I don’t watch it
..Joy Behar should be made to move to Iraq…just on principle
I find it difficult to believe the folks on MC’s staff believed anything with Rolling Stones was off the record.. I hate that McChrystal will lose his position.
HOWEVER!!! Maybe McChrystal he should run for President in 2012
Yikes. New Rasmussan says Americans see Hillary as most qualified to be president, including Obie, and STILL both Dems as more qualified than any Republican candidate, including Romney.
We’re really in a lot of trouble, aren’t we.
Darren: holes have been plugged and abandoned (p&a’d) during drilling because of down-hole risk conditions; it takes something pretty dire, given the sunk (literally) costs, but it can be done. Then, if you can, you relocate and spud in again. The problem is, obviously, your first location is alsways the optimum one — maybe even the only one available, either for surface or downhole reasons. Also, you may lose either the rig or even the lease if you do that. So it’s not just a simple dollars/cents calculation from the operator’s standpoint.
jimbo@72/
Unfortunately the question: “Charlatan or Buffoon?” is not answered by choosing one or the other. Sickeningly, the ans is BOTH.
And God help us if we were attacked during this miasmal funk. We would be rudderless.
Obama and his principal staff would have to be removed from power fortwith. We have sufficient knowledge now to know he couldn’t handle such a crisis.
White House officials are considering new names, including Laura Tyson, a former top Clinton White House economist and dean of the University of California’s Haas School of Business
Tyson is the one who said (during her Clinton years) that “Americans are the most undertaxed people in the world,” or something.
“Obama has been focused like a laser on Afghanistan since day one.”
“He is an accomplished multi-tasking laser focuser:”
True. He can steal the taxpayer blind, “focus” on Afghanistan while accomplishing nothing, stare in bemusement at a huge oil leak off Louisiana AND play lots of golf all at the same time.
mememe @ 80: HOWEVER!!! Maybe McChrystal he should run for President in 2012
Or not:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/06/22/james-p-pinkerton-gen-stanley-mcchrystal-rolling-stone-truman-macarthur/
Why Obama Won’t Fire McChrystal
By James P. Pinkerton
Published June 22, 2010
| FOXNews.com
There’s something about presidents and Army generals with Scots-Irish surnames in wartime. President Abraham Lincoln had trouble with General George McClellan during the Civil War, Harry Truman had trouble with Douglas MacArthur during the Korean War, and now Barack Obama faces trouble with Stanley McChrystal during the Afghan War.
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In wartime, people naturally look to military leaders. McClellan, it will be recalled, was the Democratic presidential candidate in 1864, running against Lincoln. And for his part, MacArthur angled, unsuccessfully, for the 1952 Republican nomination, to take on his old boss, Truman.
But in 1952, Truman, a Democrat, found his own further presidential ambitions thwarted; political reality made his re-election impossible, and so he chose to retire.
And the new president was another Army general, a colleague of MacArthur’s–although a very different personality–Dwight Eisenhower. Ike was not Scots-Irish, he was Pennsylvania Dutch. And he was an easy winner in the ’52 election, serving two successful terms in the White House.
And let’s see, today there’s a prominent general with a Dutch surname, a proven leader, successful in war, still active in public affairs, whom some see as presidential timber. What’s his name? Ah, yes. Petraeus. General David Petraeus.
When Petraous and McChrystal were appointed, I predicted here that Obama intended to make them scapegoats. The goal is to eliminate particular potential political opponents and to reduce the reputation of the military in general within American political life.
McChrystal understands this, thankGs to Eikenberry’s obstruction and the WH’s very public criticism of Karzai. The eneral also sees his men dying for no good reason.
I think his statements in the RS interview were deliberate, considered, and politically aggressive towards Obama.
He will likely be fired.
If my predictions and understanding are correct, and recent events do support my hypothesis, General McChrystal has my deep respect.
Considering that well is at the bottom of the sea and large amount of oil there, it will become much, much worse than the following:
http://johnhbradley.com/pictures2.asp?var=070707darvaza
82. Megaera — I will certainly defer to anyone with more oilfield experience than me. Most of my experience is driving past pumpjacks here in East Texas, and most of the rest is buying gas. A tiny sliver is reading The Prize by Daniel Yergin.
From everything I have read about the current fiasco, BP underperformed in the care & preparation of this well, which led to the blowout and our current disaster. P&A after going over-budget in the first place seemed to be the last thing on their minds. Reading the log of events, it sure sounds like the people in charge got overly goal-focused and managed to miss the giant warnings that bad things were coming. Having been overly goal-focused at a point in my life during a misadventure with a ladder and a broken wrist, I am fortunate enough to have a titanium plate that reminds me of the peril of ignoring danger signs when you’re close to finishing a job. Dunno if dollars & cents were involved, or just focusing on reaching then endpoint to the exclusion of confounding data in this case. In any event, the pooch is well & truly screwed and we are 6-8 weeks from the next beginning of the end of the leak. Maybe the BP folks never had the benefit of failure to tell them to go slower.
69 & 77, Josh — Considering that BP spend upwards of $100 million to drill this well, they most likely knew the geology as well as could be known (I admit, this is inference). The La Brea Tar Pits are an Act of God, and one of the few things that BP cannot be blamed for. But in this case, it was BP (or Transocean, at BP’s direction) that put a nearly four-mile hole in the crust of the earth, and then did not follow best practices or from what I can read even industry standards in casing the bore. I don’t see how that’s not a sin of commission on BP’s part. They may have done this same procedure on other undersea wells and it worked, but that doesn’t mean it is a safe way to do things any more than the Space Shuttle taking off dozens of times before the Challenger exploded meant that NASA had a “safe” system.
My problem with golf is that I have professional-class clubhead speed (driver 115-125mph) with rank amateur-class control. I would play better swinging 2/3 as hard but hitting more consistently, but that is very hard to do, and hitting a soft 250-yard drive simply tells me that I could hit it 300 if I “really tried”. The one thing that will really screw me up on a golf course is hitting a dead-perfect shot. My longest drive was 311 yards on a 410-yard hole, I still took a 6. It’s hard to believe golf was invented by Scots and not some inscrutable Eastern civilization. If golf was Western, then more would equal better, but that does not seem to work out for me.
The Gen. McChrystal article is odd; You don’t become a general by reckless talk so it seems intentional. On the other hand, you would know how it would be taken by any senior officer (CinC in this case-much as it pains me to acknowledge it) so why apologize, back-track? I can only surmise he was looking for an exit that would allow him to quit without resigning his commission- IOW, retire and keep benefits rather than walk away. Curious.
#51 Programmer: Maybe you simply misunderstand his ultimate goal. I certainly can’t make sense of it unless he is intentionally trying to ruin the nation.
I would not be worried so much about a civil war if it was just red sate vs. blue state; The liberals would get creamed. But in our present era in which foreign nations and bad-actors are not limited by oceans, I worry about thugs-for-hire, mercenaries (fighting for the liberals so they don’t have to get their hands dirty, ew.) Maybe that is the plan that ushers in a New World Order. (Although I still like this Marine’s chances in a stand-up fight)
Regarding what message to send to the politicians, states should pass contingency legislation, VERY PUBLICLY, for how to secede, recall legislators quickly (including nullifying votes), and form rough coalitions with nlike-minded states. Is that going too far? Maybe but hasn’t the current administration already crossed the Rubicon?
“Some liberals are having second thoughts…”
That’s impressive.
There are actually liberals out there that have had TWO whole thoughts?
Must be pretty rare, ’cause I’ve never I’ve never met one.
Darren,
There are two known axioms about golf.
First, the rules of golf are designed to make a pointless activity incredibly difficult and inefficient.
Second, in the words of Mark Twain, “Golf is a good walk spoilt.”
But, it is your life – use it wisely.
Darren @ 90: They may have done this same procedure on other undersea wells and it worked, but that doesn’t mean it is a safe way to do things any more than the Space Shuttle taking off dozens of times before the Challenger exploded meant that NASA had a “safe” system.
But take that on an even larger scale. Maybe they and others have done this on thousands of undersea wells and it worked – without causing a geological catastrophe. And like the space shuttle – it will never be “safe”, no more than crossing the street is “safe”, there is always risk involved, and so it is not always culpable to act with risk. IOW, the worse the catastrophe, the less it might be BP’s “fault”. Y’know, like the supercollider and the odds it creates a black hole and eats the Earth.
Re golf, sure, everything’s a tradeoff and you always want what you haven’t got. I had great control going, so my next step was to swing harder. But swinging harder, lost the control. Yet, having control, my next step was – swing harder! Haven’t played for years now, tho, too busy yachting … joke.
81. MAINEMAN
RE the polls…we need a few good people…where are they? Surely we have at least one person!!! for conservatives and independents. Surely there is someone????
Where are our minds in all this? Hillary, a disgusting power driven person.
I don’t understand how Americans would feel the way the polls indicate!!
We have so much BS going on since Obama took office!!! I don’t want this country to be like England, France, Germany etc.
The Obama adm., has a malfunctioning BOP…
Clearly, the General has a judgment problem.
He voted for Obama, and allowed a Rolling Stone reporter to run loose around meetings.
Have people checked out the latest “Downfall” bunker scene with Hitler melting down over the vuvuzelas in the World Cup? Very funny.
But wasn’t copyright infringement preventing posting of such parodies of “Downfall”? Apparently yes and no.
Isn’t the time ripe for endless Bunker parodies of Obama, especially given the McChrystal flapdoodle, the Gulf of Mexico disaster, and the impending financial catastrophe? But there aren’t any Obama Hitler videos. But there is a vuvuleza parody.
There is a dog, and it isn’t barking.
#7 PA Cat – loved the Bob Hope clip. Looking at the comments I’d say it’s easy to over analyze Obama. The man is a fool – the fool on the hill. The Beatles wrote a song about that.
A malfunctioning Barack Obama President?!
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Y’know, things may be coming to a head right on schedule. Nuclear Iran, Gaza flotillas, gonzo generals who won’t fight and mouth off, oil spills that need cleanup, financial meltdown balloons inflating behind closed doors, Greece and Spain melting down in Europe, wack job jihadis building dud bombs in Times Square or burning their own crotches on airliners, Mexico narco-cartels taking over Arizona, Obama clowning himself further shutting down all drilling for no reason and being overturned by the first judge to hear it, health care legislation that will all explode the moment it is turned on, the president playing golf, golf, and more golf, all the Jewish dhimmis bailing from the administration, the MSNBC types giving up on the empty suit – because it isn’t radical ENOUGH.
(add to this list, I’m getting tired already)
A good time to be a Republican candidate, with November coming on.
Wow, only one Obama apologist. Things are looking bleak for the Democrats then. In the past 4 or 5 trolls would be spamming the board trying to drown out any common sense. Even they are running for cover now.
wh/88; i agree with you –the generals, and secdef gates too, are trying to hold in place and damp damage –i think deliberate damage –from CiC. These guys didn’t pop off to Rolling Stone idly –remember, they are accomplished players or they wouldn’t be where they are. We’ll know more if this blows up any more, further down the chain of command. imho anyways. I’m sure Obama would love to have a controlled military that would do *anything* he asked, but that pipe dream probably faded some months ago. The world really does go topsy when the enemy is maybe in the castle keep and that bunch at the gates is not the enemy but the relief.
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doug, can’t help you with the nuke-macondo –no experience –i imagine there’s loads of stuff on the net –stick with oil & gas journals and try to avoid the alien reptile invasion sites. Wellll, maybe give ‘em a quick glance, can’t hoit.
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mr X, no, i don’t follow alex jones, tho you have mentioned him before as a bad source, meaning he’s probably a good source –unless you want people to think that, in which case he’s a bad source…unless…oh stoppiT!
But, (sniff) i think & read on my own, undirected, if you can imagine that.
but tell me, why do you ridicule worries about nuclear war?
And where do you get info such as your first para above, where Stalin is an innocent trusting sweetheart, “the last man to trust Hitler”, and so forth?
Have you forgotten that when hitler invaded –and so made Stalin’s resistance an utter necessity –the Hitler/Stalin alliance was in full force? And that Stalin had already, under his Hitler umbrella, invaded Poland (at katyn murdering, en passant, the ancient Polish aristocracy), Finland, the Baltics, and the approaches to the Romanian oil and the Danube watershed?
of course i would not be so rude as to bring all that up had you not preambled your two good paras with that soviet boilerplate.
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DS/92 is right –if liberals seem to be having second thoughts, then what liberals are having is ‘first’ thoughts.
Josh:
“Here’s an interesting debate topic: IF the casing is leaking, IF the entire geological structure is failing – should BP be held responsible? There were some reports of cracking as the drilling was on the way down. I don’t grok geology or drilling to the extent of understanding the significance.”
I am don’t grok geology either, haven’t put eyes on the well head, don’t know what the geology looks like, but it appears that bad things could happen that might be unlikely but of dire consequences. It goes back to my risk=probability X consequences. I presume you are backtracking a little from your previous comments?
Josh-
“AM @ 200: There was some nutball report circulating the blogs yesterday to that effect, that maybe it would be like popping a balloon and zillions of barrels of crude would soon flood the entire Gulf.
Is there ANY history of that in the hundred years or more of oil drilling? I think not. Doesn’t mean it’s entirely impossible, just not very high on the list of things to worry about. Like the supercollider causing a black hole that swallows the Earth, or Obama showing up tomorrow with a sword and decapitating Biden.”
Geithner? Did someone mention Geithner? (me)
Geithner – going off-message:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.7a5d51a78d5d2cd026aaf0637654beb9.c61&show_article=1
US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on Tuesday said the US economy was “still going through an incredibly difficult period,” as he warned the impact of the crisis would be “lasting.”
Yah, it’s still on-message cuz they can blame it on Bush, or maybe Goldman Sachs, and is an excuse for more trillions in slush funds. But at some point, that doesn’t sell, no sunshine, no reelection.
AM @ 102: I presume you are backtracking a little from your previous comments?
Maybe a little, but nutball was talking like the whole thing was going to pop like a balloon.
What is likely at this point is a failed seal in the bore. The next step would be leaking into geological cracks and out adjacent to the bore. But we see tons of flow back up the pipe, so outside of a failed seal, we have yet heard no evidence of anything worse. Something where cubic miles of rock suddenly fracture and gigatons of oil pop up overnight – is still a long way from likely, … I hope!
Obama and his key advisors are Blagojvich Democrats and I mean that in all seriousness. Rahm, Obama, and David all helped the Guv get elected and this kind of bizarre behavior is sop for that weird alliance of progressivism and regular-democratic-organization politics that’s run Illinois for six years. As a State Senator who’s worked with them told me, they’re grossely immature men (and they’re all men save Valarie J.). God help the United States get through this…
josh and others wondering about wells being plugged and abandoned –the confusion is, it’s uncommon on production wells in known fields, but not uncommon on rank wildcats, where the only info is seismic. it boils down to casing programs and the fact that pressure and depth run together. Losing returns lowers hydrostatic column pressure (causing kicks, which if not killed become blowouts) so upper zones need to be ‘cased off’ as you go down raisingh hydrostatic pressure perforce. Starting the well with the really big casing diameters gives options of adding more casing strings to close off unanticipated (seimic unidentified) weaker ‘lost circulation’ zones –but it hugely expensive to cover outside chances, so the ‘engineering decision’ can sometimes lead to needing another string but having bit diameter already as small as it can get –so that well has nowhere to go, and has to be “p&a’d”. This, and plain old ‘dry holes’ is why ‘oil company tax breaks’ exist –to induce exploration via tax write-offs on unproductive –expensive –holes. The info adds to the national datdabase, so the tax treatment has a real ‘future’ benefit, in addition to the inducement to drill rank exploration wells. if the Dems weren’ telling outrageous lies about the oil indistry, people would focus on the bottom lines, which show the net profits –and see the oil patch is just a middling industry, returns on investment-wise. Somebody ought to tell obama’s brain trust to butt the frick out and go on back to the faculty lounge and wool gather where they can’t hurt someone.
“people are much more willing to make sacrifices than the political class believes.”
Especially when it is politicians being sacrificed!
I have not seen any speculation, or solid science, from geologists (forensic?) regarding when this type of oil flow, has occurred naturally in Earth’s history and what kind of results followed. It just does not seem likely to me this kind of event has not happened in the past due to earthquake, volanic activity or continental drift. Or are they avoiding this type of exploration on purpose?
When BelBamster the president held a great feast on the White House lawn for his socialites and nobles, he was drinking wine in the presence of the thousand.
When BelBamster tasted the wine he gave orders to have recitations on how he screwed the Jews, that all might revel together.
They all drank the wine and praised the gods of Corporate takeover, Cap and Trade, Green Energy, and Single Payer Healthcare.
Suddenly the fingers of a man’s hand emerged and began writing upon the plaster wall of the White House, and the President saw the back of the hand that did the writing.
Then the President’s face grew pale, and his thoughts alarmed him and his knees began knocking together.
The President called aloud to bring in the conjurers, the diviners, and the wise men of his cabinet, but none could read it.
President BelBamster was greatly alarmed, his face grew even paler, and his nobles were perplexed.
One was brought before him who could read the inscription on the wall, “a wingnut” they called him.
And the wingnut didst say to the President, “You have exalted yourself over all things, and pretended to be wise. And so a hand was sent, and by it this inscription was written:
MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN!
And this is the interpretation of the inscription:
MENE – God has numbered your kingdom and put an end to it!
TEKEL – You have been weighed on the scales and found deficient!
PERES – Your kingdom is now divided and given over to _________ ! ”
Then BelBamster gave orders, trying to get others to do what he should have been doing. Alas, many began to drop like flies with their exits and resignations, for none wanted to be the scapegoat. And so BelBamster made haste to the golf course, again! But it was too late!
And the mighty BelBamster didst fall in the polls with a mighty fall, with his kingdom in shambles.
Buddy,
I wasn’t messing with your mind about Alex Jones. You have to decide what he’s peddling that is credible and what is not. His overall narrative, that many Anglo-American elites would prefer the world to lose half or more of its population (if not necessarily through wars or starvation but rather sterilization), is not so crazy once one considers how much high level money has been tossed at the radical greens and neo-Malthusians for years – including from brother George Soros, who bought up a crapload of assets in the former Soviet Union dirt cheap — even as many locals emigrated or died off.
If you want, eugenics was all the progressive rage in the 1910s-20s, before Hitler took it up with gusto and made the movement go quiet for a few decades until genetic engineering and the hippies embrace of the (now discredited) book The Population Bomb revived its possibilities.
Where Alex Jones goes wrong (and perhaps he has corrected for this somewhat lately by describing the Bildebergers as ‘running scared’) is attributing nearly all powerful status to the global elites, creating FEMA concentration camps out of thin air, and showing up at Tea Party rallies with a bullhorn to insult the participants.
As Wretchard keeps reminding us, no one is really in charge, it’s the image and memes that are faltering as that underlying reality sinks in. The global elites are pulling on all the old levers only to find like the great and powerful Oz that they don’t work.
I was hardly defending Stalin. Uncle Joe was born in Georgia and drew the border between North and South Ossetia for example, favorable to Georgians, which is another reason I found McCain’s ‘we are all Georgians’ statement so hard to stomach. American boys dying to defend borders drawn by Stalin? Screw that!
Just because Stalin killed in the mid single digit range (3-5 1/2 million murdered or starved in Gulags and Holomodor) rather than 20-30 double digit millions doesn’t mean I’m letting him off lightly, I’m just refusing to accept the exagerrated Conquest numbers because if they were true there wouldn’t be nearly as many people alive today in the former Soviet Union.
I was just pointing out how incredible was his faith that Hitler would not turn on him, or perhaps it really was a form of self-justification for Molotov-Ribbentrop. The evidence suggests the Soviets did prepare for war seriously, and examine the lessons of their Winter War defeat in Finland, and slow the pace of shooting their officers while promoting the talented junior ones. In any case even if Stalin hadn’t been determined to ignore the massive evidence of the German build up, there wasn’t an army in the world ready for the full brunt of blitzkrieg across a thousand mile front in the summer of 1941, and the Germans had plenty of little helpers in the form of the Romanian Iron Guards, Ustashe Croats, Italians and Spaniards for mop up duty, and later the SS volunteers and auxilaries from the Scandinavian and Baltic countries. This is why the poor little victims view of those countries doesn’t wash with me, only the Poles and maybe the Bulgarians despite being allied with Hitler can say they kept their honor in Eastern Europe, and again that was only after Poland picked off its own piece of Czechoslovakia.
Senators Challenge Pres. Obama on Rumors of Executive Order Amnesty
speakeasy, high pressure wells are produced “on choke” –engineering again, keep the formation pressured up producing naturaly as long as possible, for afterwards it has to be pumped –well suction-pumped –up, adding enormously to cost. Ergo, it’s hard to know where Macondo 252 would fit –prperly produced –in the big well pantheon –but on “full flow” (no choke) it’s surely the biggest discovery ever in the history of the Gulf of Mexico –and BP ruined it, profligately stupidly, inexplicably stupidly, as if it had been a ten barrel a week stripper in the west texas desert somewhere.
mr X, thanks for generous reply. yes, caught between death by fire and death by ice, little helpers often choose the least proximate, if there’s any choice at all.
Will “Worked in a senior leadership position in the Obama Administration” be a resume enhancement in three years?
I find it hard to believe that McChrystal is either that stupid or naieve. Surely there is something unseen happening here.
kaba, ask mrX –he’s a student of USSR history –it’s called a “purge” –only obama has to velvet-glove it, unlike Stalin, who could iron-fist it. neutralize the armed forces via ‘yes man’ field-graders.
For those of us without any prior knowledge of offshore drilling (or drilling at all): An Introduction To Offshore Drilling.
Josh, I agree that offshore drilling is never inherently safe. Any time you’re dealing with tons of psi and lowering anything a mile from a hovering drillship or platform, things can and will go wrong. The same applies to sitting astronauts on top of a small nuke’s worth of fuel and relying on controlled burning of it to put them into orbit, and not into pieces. There are risks to both activities, and both activities are worth the risk. If we have to rely on nothing more than wind, solar and biomass, half the country will freeze in the dark — so we need fossil fuels (or the stones to go nuclear and bravely reprocess our spent fuel like the French) and offshore is one of the places we need to go to get it.
The problem here is that it appears that BP did not follow best practices in the casing of the well. It further appears that they did not follow industry standards in things that Buddy Larsen has noted, like the “bottoms up” turnover of the drilling fluid, insufficient pressure monitoring, etc. There are unanticipated disasters that happen even when you do everything right, if the press reports are true then BP is not the victim of fate but the victim of their own neglect of known risk management procedures. If BP had done everything to the best practices of the industry and the well blew, then well, Stuff Happens. Doesn’t mean I don’t support offshore or even deepwater drilling. It does mean that there is a right way and a wrong way, and until there is a better way deepwater drilling should be done the right way. To date, it has. The BP well is an outlier and it is important to figure out why.
The closest corollary in oil spills is either Ixtoc I or the Santa Barbara spill in 1969. Both were in much shallower water. The Santa Barbara spill was caused by inadequate casing, the casing used was shorter than either federal or California standards (according to this source, the oil & gas came back up the well during a bit change, and because the casing was short it leaked around the casing and through fissures in the sea floor as well. Ixtoc I is a corollary in that the BOP failed and it was a GOM well that leaked a LOT of oil. Maybe Buddy or Megaera have examples of casing failures in other instances.
bl @ 112: it’s surely the biggest discovery ever in the history of the Gulf of Mexico
Is it? Just doodling the math, it’s on the order of a barrel per second, probably including gas. I haven’t the faintest idea where that places it on the size scale. My SWAG is that any gusher should be roughly in that range, but again, I haven’t the foggiest idea how long a gusher might gush, and this one is going on two months.
McCrysthal is saying what EVERY US military commander is feeling.
you people are mind bugling…
obama was handed a sh…hole of economy, two wars, blame bush
not him… btw I am no fan of him either
darren/116; now after internalizing a sequence of choices, maybe 5 or 7 of them crowded into the last couple days and accellerating into the last hours and minutes before the blowout, and how EACH one of them was out of the ordinary even on a routine production well but most incredibly ESPECIALLY on a well such as Macondo, and now after figuring the odds on 5 or 7 rat-a-tat inexplicables happening all at once in 5 or 7 separate frames (IOW, some procedure skipped should lead to that something’s consequences being hypermonitored), then, then, look toward the last line of defence, the BOP, and digest this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7842728/BP-oil-spill-leak-found-in-rig-weeks-before-blast.html
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Josh, my good hall monitor man, you have me there –there are for a fact many many higher-pressured reservoirs than this –for example, this one was controlled a under 13 ppg mud –i’ve been on jobs where 18.5 ppg barely did the job. What i meant was the 60,000 -100,000 barrels per day flow rate. i’ve never heard of anything bigger than 5,000 –tho i’m no student –i know the drilling part much better than the production part –in fact the two phases use different sets of crews, and we are –obviously –never at the same place at the same time –like the janitorial crew doesn’t clean the boardroom during a meeting, but later when the room is empty.
Speakeasy #108:
Several years ago a study showed that oil and gas exploitation offshore of the Santa Barbara County coast had actually improved the environment by significantly reducing the natural seepage that occurs there.
Of course, that is in an area that is very geologically active, given the Federal Government’s abject failure to develop a program to control plate tectonics.
In the Gulf, as I understand it, the deepwater rigs not only have to penetrate 5000 ft of water but then drill through 10,000 to 13,000 ft of seabed to get to the oil. And the area is not very active seismically. So it would seem very unlikely that much natural leakage would occur in the Gulf, but it does happen in some places.
Also, I see that while a seabed drillsite 5000 ft down is in the Deep category, drilling has been accomplished elsewhere at ocean floor depths on the order of 10,000 ft.
Drudge is reporting that McChrystal has submitted his resignation: “FLASH: According to an unnamed source ‘Gen. McChrystal has submitted his resignation’ – Joe Klein on Rick Sanchez, CNN… Developing…”
Up to a point, I agree with others – for a “Samson” strategy to make any sense at all for the doctrinaire Marxists, they have to have in place some other system or be prepared to accept a drastic and bloody spasm of depopulation.
Here’s the point where I tend to disagree with some posters. It’s only important to these bastards that their own safety is ensured.
History has shown abundantly that real Marxists have never hesitated vigorously to pursue programs that directly result in the death of millions of people.
Look at Lenin & the Bolsheviks, who used arrests, imprisonment, executions, “liquidations” of opponents ruthlessly to consolidate their new government.
Look at Stalin, who used murder, disappearances, and open programs of military extermination against the Kulaks and middleclass merchant farmers of Ukraine throughout the 20’s and 30’s. He then staged show-trials of his top military staff, executing something like 30,000 perfectly loyal and patriotic Red Army officers, not because they’d done anything, but to (1) cull any brilliant officers that might someday have sufficient following to oppose him, and (2) terrorize the survivors into ratting on their fellows and keeping a low profile.
Think of Mao Zedong, whose half-century of leadership of the Chinese Communists killed off something like 70 MILLION Chinese citizens in years-long spasms of fanatic youth brigade slaughter, mass trials and mass executions, utterly bungled and mis-managed forced agricultural experiments, and round-ups of “counter-revolutionaries” to be packed off to die in re-education / slave Labor camps. People’s Republic of China has acknowledged without embarrassment that for at least the last decade it has harvested and made available for sale on the international market, the organs of 10,000 and more executed Chinese prisoners EACH YEAR. An interesting detail that came out about four years ago is that PRC also harvests the SKINS of a number of freshly executed prisoners, processes them to recover the collagens, and sells the product to European cosmetics manufacturers.
For the chop, because they are just a bother to have to deal with:
Intellectuals (i.e., people who have read even so much as a “Classics Illustrated” history book)
Union organizers… Ironic, ain’t it. Communists love union organizers in Capitalist economies, on accounta they screw’em up so thoroughly. But anywhere they seize the reins of power, Communists exterminate any trade unionists and organizers. They do not tolerate unions or strikes under their governments. That’s a privilege only allowed under capitalism. Straight Marxist theory, guys. Under Communism, a strike is counter-revolutionary.
Educators – unless they parrot the Party Message at all times
Independent Journalists – ditto
Et cetera(You don’t need a long list!) Marxists & communists have no use for any survivors who question the right of the Party to make any decision whatsoever. Tough Cheese.
The behavior of Obama clearly shows he gives more import to his stinking golf game, or shutting down 42nd Street in order to take in a Broadway show, or enjoying a shockingly extravagant gourmet meal, than to actually spend thirty seconds trying to solve any of the current problems threatening the survival of our country.
But he’s ready to kick the asses of his domestic critics.
Here you see all the trappings of a tyrant.
We cannot assume that the parasites currently trying their utmost to screw up the country have any scruples whatsoever about the consequences to the great mass of U.S. citizens. They clearly DO NOT CARE. They only want to have absolute power over whatever remains after the man-caused disaster of their administration.
We see we are governed now by monsters.
Each of their contemptuous tramplings of legislative and constitutional procedures has been a test, to see whether the country has in it the courage to protest and resist.
We are failing the test.
Bullies, cheats, perverts, liars, embezzlers, rapists, murderers, thugs – more or less all sociopaths seem to continue their criminal behavior until they experience consequences in the form of punishment, reprisal, or imprisonment. Such people almost universally continue – even escalate – the vicious behaviors until circumstances imposed upon them force them to change.
PS, josh –whilst doing your doodling, keep in mind, pressure and volume are two different things –only mechanical backpressure can force the two measures into one. Open flow, high and low and pressure and volume form one o them 2×2 matrix thingies.
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Re, the general quitting –YES –that’s how it’s done. now he can talk. Now Obama may have some organization –the military –keepingt HIS ass in crisis mode for awhile –
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keep that shit up, mad fiddler, and you risk going stark raving sane –
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miriam @ 119; my dear, i wish you were right, i really really do.
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and, get david Petraeus a taster –now.
87. Josh
“There’s something about presidents and Army generals with Scots-Irish surnames in wartime. President Abraham Lincoln had trouble with General George McClellan during the Civil War, Harry Truman had trouble with Douglas MacArthur during the Korean War, and now Barack Obama faces trouble with Stanley McChrystal during the Afghan War.”
Aye, Laddie, A wee bi disagreement keeps the talk lang and bad mistakes provide a man wi’ quick experience.
Re: 119. miriam rove
Miriam – a question for you. At what point does the CURRENT president get assigned responsibility for his own actions, his own predictions and keeping his own promises.
Although he is an honorable man and a good commander in chief (who had the respect of the troops) I am not much of a Bush fan either. He is at best a very liberal republican. He started some unsustainable entitlements and did some economic damage. But Miriam no matter what you can say about Bush – he is gone. He has been gone for more than a year and he led neither house of congress for two years longer than that.
So, just to be fair, let’s give OBAMA the starting point of the day he took office. Heck – let’s even give him a little bit of downward momentum. When does at least the direction we are moving become Obama’s responsibility? Another year? Another 2… or 5? Obama promised that his policies would prevent unemployment from hitting 8%. We are at almost 10%. Sure Bush left us some debt. Obama debt dwarfs the combined debt of the entire history of our country combined. You could subtract Bush’s debt FROM Obama’s debt and it would still be unsustainable. Our traditional allies no longer trust us and our traditional enemies no longer fear us. We are seen as politically, economically and militarily weak and erratic.
So when – at what date on the calendar – does the responsibility for being president fall on the shoulders on the current holder of that office?
120. Buddy — My point exactly. Not one deviation from norm, but many. I didn’t say this was the Fickle Finger of Fate, this is a series of choices where decisions were made for “good enough” over “good”, or “I have an abnormal value and a normal value, and I choose to believe the normal value”, or “I know this is a common safety procedure, but we can skip it this time”. Like any great disaster, it is a series of mistakes rather than one single mistake, with an overriding need to get from Point A to Point B that provides external pressure to grease the skids. The Piper Alpha disaster is another great example of how small things in the right order at the right time become absolutely catastrophic.
The fact that one of the BOP pods was turned off was reported fairly early in the game. This data point and many others will be put together at some point into a narrative whole that petroleum engineering students (if the government allows any more of those to be trained) will memorize.
119. Miriam — How fortunate for BHO and his apologists that there will likely soon be a GOP Congress to replace GWB as the Chosen Scapegoat. Yes, the economy was not good, but then again, when does the President control the spending and borrowing decisions of individuals and corporations that constitute the economy? The President can primarily influence government fiscal policy, about 30% of the economy. This President has done so in a manner that increases the likelihood of increased interest rates in the future and either currency inflation or default. He will have doubled an already astronomical national debt and have nothing to show for it in four years. Whatever Bush’s faults, they have no bearing on the GOM oil spill. GWB is far from the White House, it is BHO who controls the executive branch that is alternately sitting on its hands or threatening criminal prosecution, whichever seems to best impair cleanup progress. BHO has been President for 18 months. I realize that you are no fan, but when BHO asked for the chair we all assumed he would sit in it with his Big Boy Pants on. Instead, it’s been a fun-house ride from the irrelevant (the Beer Summit) to the ridiculous (the Apology Tour, with all the benefits that has provided, a lawsuit by the federal government against a state that is trying to enforce federal law), with more of the latter in the last few months. All of this was so simple when he was a candidate, I wonder what has happened since?
PS: ‘Bugling’ is what elk do to attract mates.
What is the answer,
what is the answer,..
what was the question ?
– Gertrude Stein’s dying words
In this case the answers are;
Transparency – Start by making _all_ oil spill data public,
and extend the rule to all government planning;
They must show their work.
Subsidiarity – If the Feds cannot, or will not, address
a problem, they must let the states to try; AKA Federalism.
Use the Arizona Immigration Law trial as the precedent
setting case.
We don’t need another Hero, and we sure as _Hell_ don’t
want a Revolution; We need to keep building the grassroots
bottom-up political pressure on TPTB both by the Tea Party
and the more direct dissemination of truthful seditious
propaganda by way of the Web.
Miriam, “Bugling” is what the bugle boy of company B does. Although perhaps you are indeed “Mind Bugling” here, although in your case, your mind seems to be more of a Vuvuzela.
Dear GDT: how are you doing? your point is well taken. NOW is
the time for him to be accountable. but here my question
for you: if you honestly belive that he was handed
a sh…economy and two wars, how long do you expect him to fix
it?
on another note GDT you call Bush a liberal republican?
of all prtseidents we have had who identifies most
and best with your politics? I am thinking that you are
really to the right. you ahve also changed my view of people
on the right.. you are respectful and reasonable.
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I also got the impression that you too smoke cigars and\
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The President is responsible for the delta in effects with respect to his new policies. Everybody starts from a given. But we are always responsible for the marginal effect of our decisions. So the additional debt, the health care initiatives, the cap and trade effort, the czar system, the strategy in Afghanistan or lack thereof, the oil spill management, these are all President Obama’s.
And looking at the marginal effects alone the trends are not good. Consider McChrystal. The President is almost compelled to discipline McChrystal, perhaps relieve him, in order to assert civilian supremacy. But having done that, who will deny that the situation — the conflict between his ambassador and the military, the whole situation — reflects a failure of his own command? Being Commander in Chief cuts both ways. Nobody is allowed to buck you, but the buck stops with you.
Maybe the President should keep golfing, keep making big speeches, etc and appoint an executive committee of senior Democrats he trusts to do the real work. Biden and Bill Clinton, maybe. It’s a kludge, but the alternative is to continue with a leadership that probably doesn’t exist. I think Roger Simon is right in saying “Obama is tired of being President”. He’s tired of his toy but he won’t give it up.
Maybe the best alternative is for the President’s party to provide him with duct tape and WD-40 needed to keep the wheels spinning or at least from coming off. Otherwise the President will go through military commanders like Kleenex until he finds a big enough hack to be the equivalent of Janet Napolitano. That will solve the command problem by lowering standards to the level of Chicago. But it will also lose the war. The better way is to upgrade the President’s management system until it can tolerate approximate competence.
“In War, There Is No Substitute for Victory”
President Obama has summoned the Commander of US Forces in Afghanistan General Stanley McChrystal to the executive mansion to explain critical and dismissive comments the general and his aides made of top administration and Afghan officials.
See the New York Times version of the McChrystal story here: http://tiny.cc/9n1zp
McChrystal is in a situation very similar to that of MacArthur in Korea. He wants to win the war in Afghanistan but the administration won’t allow him to. He has issued an abject apology to the president for his remarks published in Rolling Stone; he should have resigned. MacArthur apologized to no one; he didn’t believe he was wrong.
Instead of the “limited war” restraints dictated by the Truman administration MacArthur faced in Korea, McChrystal faces the contraints of the “rules of engagement” as determined by the Obama administration.
As commander-in-chief, Obama has every right . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1748)
“Seven Days In May”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33x-vZZxwGI
But not today…May’s over. It’s June now. Whew!
Good movie. I remember the hairs standing up on the back of my neck all the way through. Scared the crap out of me in the 11th grade.
There is something very troubling for most American citizens and especially the military at the thought of “changes of command” outside of the electoral process.
A tad bit too “South American’ for most of our tastes, I’d wager. We have too much respect for the Constitution for that sort of thing to occur here. It just wouldn’t sit well and I “hope” our national character hasn’t “changed” all the much in 50 years.
And by that, I mean that there are still one Hell of a lot of us who still have the Constitution on a pedistal, as a seriously important bulwark against tyrany and an important catalyst in shaping our national character.
We still have others, of course, who do not value such naive leanings.
Don’t we.
Darren, early on there was a report that sometime before the blowout on a test of the annular preventer –expandable/retractable rubber seal, the last barrier in the BOP, it opens into the riser –was damaged via accidental ‘stripping’ the drillstring with the annular closed maybe a pull-thru of a tool joint (wider than pipe body). Rubber came off, and showed up on the shale shaker, and was shown to the chiefs by the mud logger, who was told to forget about it. So all these crazy deviations, centered casing, faulty-tested cement reservoir plug, lost mud from riser, mud-return volume-monitoring –in fact every single stage of the operation –were happening with a known compromised BOP.
let me repeat:
So all these crazy deviations (and i forgot even mention, the IBOP –where was the IBOP, the inside drillpipe one-way closure that prevents a so-called ‘drill-pipe blowout’? –that analysis has suggested also took place?), from uncentered casing, faulty-tested cement reservoir plug, skipped bond logs, questionable pressure configs waved off as unbalanced fluid column which could have been easily rebalanced with a bottoms up, lost mud from riser, little or no mud-return volume-monitoring or at least sudden reporting failure of same, four phone calls from drillfloor trying to shut in on seperate non-sequential unconnected complete fail of every single well-control redundancy–in fact every single stage of the operation –were being done with either or both transco and BP rig bosses knowing they had a non-operable under certain conditions BOP? and those certain conditions under which the BOP would not shut-in the well, were exactly the conditions being created on April 20? and this is all ‘bad luck’?
If so, then I’d say the Second Coming has well and truly begun, Praise the Lord.
PS, i’m failing badly to get this put into words –how impossible it is –i just can’t find the way to say it –words fail, words fail.
Mother Nature Burped.
BP is being victimized!
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Yon (in Thailand) does not expect to ever be embeded under ‘Crystal’s command.
Yet they spill their guts to Rolling Stone!
Not Wise.
Unless Petraeus is “demoted” to replace Stan, we’ll not get up to speed for six more months.
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CANCELLED: THERE WILL BE NO CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET THIS YEAR…
GOP getting up to speed.
“The President is responsible for the delta in effects with respect to his new policies.”
Ah, but I also hold him responsible for the effects of the failed policies he advocated and supported back when he was not President. For example, the Community Reinvestment Act. Back when he was nothing but your friendly neighborhood Community Organizer Obama clearly supported the CRA and surely applauded both its expansion and the financial gymnastics that were required to keep it all rolling.
For anyone to hold Pres Bush responsible for the CRA and its impacts – when Bush tried to a least reduce the excesses and was shut down by those who are today Obama’s staunch supporters – goes far beyond intellectual dishonesty and enters into the area of insanity.
Buddy #134: Is it true they miswired the blowout shutoff valve and could not have activated it even if they had permission to do so?
Darren/127; you mention Piper Alpha –that was a sequence which began with a sloppy changeover from outbound and inbound crew. a valve was left in a wrong position, it led to a rogue flow, which human error compounded, but the killer was the fire fed by two feeder lines which the operators would not shut in due to lack of orders. What bothers me about it was that it was Occidental’s platform –Oxy is never far away from trouble, wherever disaster strikes. And the unionizing of UK platform hands, which was going nowhere despite Oxy’s support, was then after the fire quickly done, and the brand new union first order of business put in the strict crew-changeover procedures that in breach had been blamed for the disaster. This is how the story has been told to me –it could be propaganda, i have no ‘feel’ having done no research.
bl @ 124, 134: PS, josh –whilst doing your doodling, keep in mind, pressure and volume are two different things –only mechanical backpressure can force the two measures into one. Open flow, high and low and pressure and volume form one o them 2×2 matrix thingies.
Righto, but the (compromised) BOP provides just such a choke – as far as we know! Darren is afraid things might rupture even if the BOP could be closed. Mebbe, but probably not. The simplest explanation is still a simple, single mode of failure, cement seal failure for whatever reason under a lot of pressure. Which would only cause a failure under the long string of BP corners cut that you describe.
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Now, what about the BOP for Afghanistan? Chunks are flying now there, too. Indications are being ignored. Best practices are not being followed. Withdrawals of troops, not mud, ahead of time. Pressures are great. Corners are being cut. And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Kabul to be born?
w says: Maybe the President should keep golfing, keep making big speeches, etc and appoint an executive committee of senior Democrats he trusts to do the real work.
He has, he has. Emanuel and Axelrod and Jarrett and Rev. Wright, Pelosi and Reid and whoever runs his teleprompter. As a community organizer he would never, has never, got his fingers dirty. He sees it as delegation, not dereliction. Small vocabulary error, you know how spellcheck is. A community organizer never delegates, he agitates. And, apparently, golfs.
RWE/137; i’m hearing that some sort of rewire (actualy a surface actuated relay, i think but am not sure –the reports are so vague) was done. nobody has any hard data on it, apparently. maybe it’s too hot, and under legal lockdown.
i realize what we’re talking about here is crazy. but so is what LEH and AIG did in their 18 month impossible-to-justify leverage run up –crazy. So is what the whoop thru of Stim was –crazy. So was healthcare, held under a trillion by just leaving entire sections in invisible bizzaro world for long enough to tote up a sound bite –crazy. all the bald-faced lying –crazy. telling senator Kyle the border control is hostge to amnesty –crazy. Then you look at the stakes of cap and trade, and maybe the blowout ain’t so crazy. just another crisis that got completely the frik out of hand because these guys are friken mobsters who don’t think past their noses.
If there weren’t so many unsavory connections among BP, the admin, soros, the center for American progress, brazil, the Podesta brothers, and on and on –including ‘mr BP’ Lord John Brown and his culti new age bilderberger weirdness, and his leadership of the Royal BigBrother society of UK. All crazy –and all right here on top of us.
“blame bush not him…”
No I’ll blame dumb asses who demanded responsibility and got it. And when exactly do they take responsibility for terrorizng the productive half of the economy of for anything else for that matter? Well, apparently never. Blame it on the other guy. Real mature. Maybe piss another 11 Trillion dollars down the hole ought to do it.
I thought my previous comment would attract much more fire; no complaints.
Sgian (#20):
I’m reminded of a famous short piece explaining why a plane crashed at take-off. Can anybody provide me with a link or title?
There is much ruin in a nation, but at some point, you might be left with nothing but momentum. Wile E. Coyote discovered the perils thereof. This has happened to many great countries/cultures. It will happen again. But not just yet, eh Lord, please?
wretchard (#22):
Let us hope that the reaction to the situation you’re describing is a clean sweep of the individuals involved, and not a throwing out of the civil institutions along with the bathwater.
Rosinante (#27) and others:
Clark’s Law: “Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.”
Regarding impeachment, the GOP will have a difficult decision on its hands should it re-take Congress. Is it obvious that they should try to impeach Obama?
maineman (#48): “Nuke the Post?”
Heh.
programmer (#51): “I blame Obama”
Your very own J’accuse!
“May God forgive them, and I will continually pray for God’s forgiveness for the anger I bear towards them.”
That somehow reminded me of Buckley: “Meanwhile, I am practicing yoga so that at church on Sundays I can develop the power to tune out everything I hear, while attempting, athwart the general calisthenics, to commune with my Maker, and ask Him to forgive me my own sins, and implore him, second, not to forgive the people who ruined the mass.”
Rosinante (#107):
Heh. On a more somber note, I am reminded of the well-known WW1 poem by Wilfred Owen.
“McChrystal is in a situation very similar to that of MacArthur in Korea. He wants to win the war in Afghanistan but the administration won’t allow him to.”
Propaganda. First comparing McCrystal to MacArthur is like comparing the pitcher on the last place little league team to Nolan Ryan. MacArthur is a genuine military genius, one of the best the USA has produced. McCrystal has never commanded in battle until Afghanistan.
Second, Afghanistan is NOT Korea, the Southern Pacific or France in WW1.
I’ll be really glad to see McCrystal gone. His plan is dangerous, extremely so. While some risk is necessary in war, it should be balanced by reward.
Afghanistan in not Vietnam either. It can be another Battan, if handled poorly.
Max logistics support thru the only airport that can handle big cargo aircraft is about 100,000 troops. 3/4′s of those would be used protecting the supply lines. So we are looking at about 25,000 actual shooters. Not enough for a clear and hold strategy.
The Manual calls for over 600,000 troops to do a clear and hold;
http://docudharma.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=15978
The only way 600,000+ troops can be supplied is if the Russian supply them.
DO you really want that?
Right now, Logistics (supply) depends on Pakistan and Russia. That is how the 140,000 + NATO troops are being fed. If the Paki’s and/or Russia cut off the supplies, then we will see almost 100,000 Americans captured. If they are lucky. No bullets, no food, they better hope the Jihadists feel like taking POW’s. Suppose AL Qaeda offers to trade them for nuclear weapons? Then they start beheading 3 or 4 every day.
What then? My point is there is nothing in the ‘stan worth dying for. The mission there has always been to prevent AQ from using it as a training, staging and R&R area. That can be done with Marines, Special ops and Air power. Supplying small teams by air would be easy. So would protecting them. Stay mobile, find terrs, kill them.
No need to waste lives and treasury trying to build a nation out of various tribes and a bunch of mountains.
Below is a link that was given to me by telephone from one of the old hands in the energy business down here in Texas, who is also a long time friend. He said he saw it on an “Oil Drum” comment thread but they had already been discussing what would happen if BP goes down.
“A bankrupt BP is worse for the financial world than Lehman Brothers was for exactly the same reason.”
From the post with the article:
I would recommend everybody read this article by Pedro because not only did Jim say it is that important, my long time friend did too.
Wheels within Wheels. Negligence, Greedy idiots and Obama and Co. sure are doing their best to knock them all off.
Papa Ray
The guys over at freerepublic have tracked down the definition of “natural born” as the founders understood it to an edition of Vattel’s “Law Of Nations” in french. They have pulled up a letter by Ben Franklin that makes mention of Vattel. Franklin mentions that all the people in Congress ie the people writing the constitition– had read Vattel.
The money quote from Vattel reads:
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
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[My bet is on Gen McChrystal to be the first. There is just no way possible for the two of them (the general and his boss, Obama) to continue to work together. The fall out is not patch-able with an apology or beer summit.
Looks like the quality for a candidate in O’s admin is purely political views, not expertise or anything else.]
This is the normal approach of most dims. They define performance as doing the right thing politically, not actually getting the job done.
Vietnam was a major cluster f–k, but johnson was no way as bad as the terrorist in chief and johnson for the record was a disaster in my view, but obama is way more incompetent, unless his objective is to loose the war to protect his fellow muslims.
Just for the record, the quoran says that any child born of a muslim parent or parents is a muslim. Hmmm, wonder where that leave obama, but then he acts muslim when it really counts so he is what he is I guess.
Though retired military, I am for leaving the middle east as obama won’t fight the war, he will just provide fodder for the muslims. They will be attacking us at home very shortly I bet.
OS @ 147: My bet is on Gen McChrystal to be the first. There is just no way possible for the two of them (the general and his boss, Obama) to continue to work together. The fall out is not patch-able with an apology or beer summit.
But Karzai is sticking up for McChrystal.
Sad that Yon’s been warning of an outcome like this in Afghanistan for over 5 years.
…ignored more than responded to.
here we go, linked from drudge:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138210
Iran Offers to Rescue Obama from Oil Spill Mess
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
Iran has offered to help solve the massive Gulf of Mexico oil spill and extricate U.S. President Barack Obama from the mess that has caused his already sinking popularity to drop even further.
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No doubt Adam Gadahn will show up with bales of goat hair to help soak up the spill as well.
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Also that McChrystal has offered his resignation.
There are ultimately two separable issues in the McChrystal situation. The first issue is civilian supremacy. The second is competence of command. The necessary corollary to civilian supremacy is the duty to competence. And the greater the Presidents have been, the more easily they have reconciled these principles. Reagan famously said he would sleep through an operation because he had competent men to direct it. Roosevelt chose competent men to direct World War 2. He did not imagine himself, despite his extensive naval background, a real commander.
It seems like the pros were laughing at the President behind his back. Direction from the top was considered ludicrous by those in the field. Of course, maybe it was simply McChrystal and no one else. But if the feeling is widespread and there is consensus that national command authority is stuck in fantasy, then moral hazard attendant to simply dumping dissenters is that you deprive yourself of a real feedback loop. Which raises the subsidiary question: did the President know the true feelings of McChrystal towards him? Or has it come as a surprise. If it is a surprise then the feedback loop is truly broken.
However that may be, it is dangerous to simply run down the list until you find somebody who is willing to carry out the given policy no matter how many misgivings the pros may have about its feasibility. Self confidence is one thing, but most of us have the sense to know that when we go to the doctor or the consulting engineer we ignore their advice at our peril. Just now they are complaining about how BP “disregarded” the signals. Well, McChrystal is a signal. The solution is not simply to kill the instrumentation switch.
miriam:
So you’re here too, now. Lovely.
“you people are mind bugling”
You’re going to have to wake up at some point.
“obama was handed a sh…hole of economy, two wars, blame bush not him… btw I am no fan of him either”
1. As wretchard politely pointed out, Obama is not being blamed for the hand he was given, but for how he plays it. Is Obama improving the situation or not? Feel free to present a contrarian case that Obama has made things better.
2. As a long-time reader of this blog, you no doubt remember that Bush was hardly spared criticism during his presidency. And yet when Obama, a year and a half after his Ascent, gets criticized, you, who claim not to be a fan, insist that we continue blaming Bush. And this in a post addressing the scandalous lack of a budget and the Administration’s post-spill behavior, two issues entirely unrelated to Bush.
“on another note GDT you call Bush a liberal republican? … I am thinking that you are really to the right.”
Do you remember the “No Child Left Behind Act”? Do you remember the “Medicare Modernization Act”? Do you remember his position on illegal immigration? Do you remember the growth in discretionary spending? Are you aware that in US politics, a foreign policy of interventionism has been more a liberal position than a conservative one?
GDT (#126): “So when – at what date on the calendar – does the responsibility for being president fall on the shoulders on the current holder of that office?”
Why, when the current holder’s name becomes “Romney, “Palin”, etc of course.
Or when things start turning up roses, but I can’t in good conscience recommend that you hold your breath.
Darren: “How fortunate for BHO and his apologists that there will likely soon be a GOP Congress to replace GWB as the Chosen Scapegoat.”
Can you imagine what a setback it would be for the Administration if that didn’t happen?
134. Buddy
I think we are saying the same things to different degrees. I do not believe this was luck, this was poor decision-making. I think you believe the same thing. What I am saying is that big disasters are rarely caused by a single bad decision. For things to really fall apart there is usually a long chain of little mistakes that culminate in disaster. I think this is blowing you away in particular because you know so much about how oil drilling is supposed to be done, and as a result your better understanding of the process and technology is making the evolving story clearer to you than to the rest of us. And not in a “Big Oil Bad” crayon-thinking kind of way, but from a technical, reasoned and seemingly unending series of “WTF!” moments as you find out more. I had not heard about the annular preventer until you posted. It seems clear that the BP well deviated significantly from SOP, my armchair interest as an amateur systems analyst suggests a range of possibilities:
1. This was the stupidest bunch of people ever put on a ship and sent to spend $100 million-plus of private money to drill a well.
I doubt this, because they were sent to spend $100 million of private money to drill a well. These are good-paying jobs, the industry is safety conscious because people can get killed even if things go well, and these jobs are not easy to get. So the “everybody was stupid” theory is pretty much a non-starter.
2. The workers knew they were being asked to do things wrong, and management insisted they continue to do them wrong.
This happens frequently. The KAL Flight 801 that crashed onto Guam is a good example of this. The culture at KAL did not permit junior officers to contradict senior officers. Everybody but the pilot knew the plane was going to fly into the ground, the junior officers could not state clearly enough for cultural reasons that the plane was going to auger in. If this is the case, then Transocean bears responsibility as well as BP for not having a system whereby their workers could report concerns regarding what appear to be a series of major operational failures. We’re not hearing a lot about that. This is a plausible theory.
3. NASA Syndrome writ large — We have done this before without incident, therefore, we can do it again
I would assume that like any complex technical endeavor, things will go wrong in the drilling of deepwater wells. It is entirely possible that some of the things that went wrong on MC252 have gone wrong before, and those wells experienced no mishaps. Rather than learning the lesson that “we got lucky”, the institutional lesson is “well, we can do without that if we have to”. My intuitive supposition is that there are a certain number of relatively minor mistakes that can be made, e.g., damaging the annular preventer, some flaws in the cement, going without spacers, going ahead with questionable pressure readings, etc. Most likely, nearly every well has seen some kind of error like that made without incident. There is a margin of error, while those mistakes reduce the margin of error, any one or maybe even two have not resulted in a well that exceeded the margin of error for catastrophic failure. The Deepwater Horizon suffered/permitted enough errors to eliminate their margin of error. Because nobody is really incentivized to compile a litany of stupid mistakes and present these at the end of a project that is over-budget, it’s possible that nobody really understood how far out-of-spec the MC252 well was. I don’t think anyone on the drill floor knew the well was going to kick, knew were running an exceptionally high likelihood of dying and decided they would swap mud for seawater anyway. A lot of errors were made, but because people rarely compile and expound on their errors, nobody had the whole picture and knew what the likelihood of failure was. This is a chain of events culminating in disaster, but that’s kind of how disasters work. They are cultural and systems failures.
Maybe the shortest chain I have seen in an air accident was the Helios Airways Flight 522 crash. One switch was not properly positioned on takeoff, and left the cabin open to depressurize. The audio warning was misinterpreted by the crew, and by the time they figured out something was wrong they were too hypoxic to correct their mistake.
The DC-10 crash at Chicago in 1978 was yet another chain-of-events disasters. American found a cheaper way to service the DC-10′s engines, a way that unfortunately led to unseen damage in the engine mount. On takeoff, the Flight 191 lost the port underwing engine and part of the control surfaces. This by itself wasn’t terminal — the DC-10 can fly just fine with 2 engines. What made it terminal was the pilots doing what they were told to do — slowing down in order to gain control was what the solution for an engine-out takeoff. If they had firewalled the other engines, they would have had a chance, but by slowing down they stalled the left wing and crashed just off the O’Hare runway. The DC-10 had a “stick shaker” to tell them the plane was about to stall, but the pilot’s stick shaker was powered by the now-missing port engine. That was a combination of maintenance error, design error and doctrinal error. Not one pilot who tried in the simulator could land a DC-10 with the port engine out and the same wing damage at the recommended speed — they all spun in.
BP owns the well, BP owns the problem as far as I am concerned. The problem is that things can and do go wrong in complex undertakings, but it’s not very often that they culminate in disaster because systems are often over-designed and can tolerate some faults. This is a huge screw-up because despite all the designed-in margins of error, BP managed to supervise the exceeding of those margins. Fail.
119. miriam rove
you people are mind bugling…
obama was handed a sh…hole of economy, two wars, blame bush
not him… btw I am no fan of him either
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Ok miriam rove, whatever you say. Here’s a suggestion, click your heels together three times, and repeat after me, “there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home”!
Btw, the last two years of Bush’s term was when this country started “going to hell in a handbasket”. You do remember which party took over the congressional purse-strings in January of ’07, don’t you? That’s correct, the sleazy Democrats have had control of the House of Representatives for going on 4 yrs. now. Blame Bush? Uh, no!
‘ Obama Replaced Churchill Bust With Mag Cover of Him Walking on Water ‘
http://www.thefoxnation.com/politics/2010/06/22/obama-replaced-churchill-bust-mag-cover-him-walking-water
The Wons’ mindset?
#147 Old Sarge: The problem is, if you quit, the muslims have a PR coup and all that entails. If you stay but are not fighting to win, you have a Vietnam. The only solution, now that we engaged them, is to win decisively. Of course that means killing a lot of muslims which we don’t seem to have the stomach for- at the executive level anyway.
BL…
Perhaps some research ought to be done WRT shorts/ puts on BP and the price of crude by the relevant executives calling the shots.
Their collective judgement brings to mind the Exxon Valdez.
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Budgets for a deep water exploratory well are always a WAG, by definition.
Bringing in the elephant even if it cost another $50,000,000 would still be a feather in one’s cap.
1,500,000,000 bbls / $ 150,000,000 still means a finding cost of only $ 0.10 per barrel!
Because the production receives inflation adjusted returns — today’s price floats around $ 75/bbl — the return on expenditure once it became obvious they’d hit big should have driven EVERY consideration.
Darren @ 153: So the “everybody was stupid” theory is pretty much a non-starter.
Didn’t Forrest Gump write the book on this: “Stupid is as stupid does”.
I’ve seen too many big projects staffed with the cheapest possible talent and/or ignored by senior management as it went off the rails.
For example, how about today’s White House?
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w @ 151: However that may be, it is dangerous to simply run down the list until you find somebody who is willing to carry out the given policy no matter how many misgivings the pros may have about its feasibility.
Nobody is doing that! They are scouring the country for the best qualified to pull us out of the quagmire, didn’t you get the memo?
RE: McChrystal
It appears that COIN is failing in Afghanistan. This was my first thought when the issue broke, consolidated by some of the practical skepticism I read here. A two-way failure shared by the D&M of DIME.
McChrystal put all his chips on a COIN strategy. The State Dept was doing – I don’t much know – maybe holding Karzai’s hand. Holbrooke and Amb Eikenberry may be permanently discredited by this episode as well (a notable “tell” if one or both retires suggesting that the admin’s “inner circle” recognizes failures of State Dept as well.)
But mostly I think we’re looking at a failure of COIN – at least in Afghanistan (aided and abetted by near complete absence of effective State diplomatic efforts – such as how to handle the mercurial Karzai). COIN may be resurrected – in other venues – just not there. Going forward, very complicated.
The Yellow Brick Road? It’s hard to find under all that oily muck.
Wretchard (131): “But it will also lose the war.”
Everybody note that Wretchard said it here first.
There is something rotten in the state of Denmark. This whole episode has an ineluctable cheesiness about it. Something smells like mackeral. From the prickling in my thumbs, I know something wicked this way comes. My bones ache, and my ears are popping. Weirdness is afoot. Things are just not right. This picture is cockeyed.
I can’t explain it, but I know it’s the beginning of the end.
One thing that may explain the seeming madness of, well, everything since Obama showed up is that the O is playing a far deeper game than we realize. So deep, indeed, that we’ve only begun to sniff out the depth and vileness of the muck.
Such an idea has the benefit of explaining everything while providing explantion for nothing. But it sure does FEEL right.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704853404575322800914018876.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
Eliot Cohen says McChrystal, though a hero in Iraq, needs to go now – but his arguments almost convince me of the opposite.
Almost.
me @ 158: w @ 151: However that may be, it is dangerous to simply run down the list until you find somebody who is willing to carry out the given policy no matter how many misgivings the pros may have about its feasibility.
Nobody is doing that! They are scouring the country for the best qualified to pull us out of the quagmire, didn’t you get the memo?
Calling John Galt! The President wants to speak with you! The President wants you to lead us!
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65. wildiris
Jeremiah? Good suggestion. All of us with a tether to the Bible are not only thinking your suggestion is a good one, it is an essential one; even more so today. I just finished Daniel and it was good for me – it lead me away from my natural tendency to furrow my brow, paw the ground, engage, and then sometimes act intemperately.
It warned me of just who is in charge, and it ain’t me or Teh Won.
There are two lessons here. For Mr. Obama it is the imperative of taking charge of this war and owning it—reshaping the team waging it, and communicating a resolve that, alas, one doubts he actually feels. Failing that, he owes it to the soldiers and civilians we have sent there to liquidate the war and accept the consequences for our country and the region.
Cohen is basically arguing that the President can’t competently or determinedly prosecute the war, he should up stakes. Now I thought Afghanistan was a “war of necessity”. If it is, then defeat is not an option and it would seem to me that if the President cannot win a “war of necessity” by his own definition, he must resign in favor of someone in his party who can.
The contradiction at the heart of this is that winning cannot be made contingent on insubordination. If the only way to win a war of necessity is to mock the commander in chief, the dilemma is either win the war and break the principle of civilian supremacy or uphold civilian supremacy and lose the war.
119. miriam rove
“you people are mind bugling…”
Thank goodness you were here to add some cognitive cowbell…
Obama, the Lemming-in-Chief, is charging full speed ahead into the abyss that awaits Liberals.
I wish him Godspeed!
Got lifevest?
My take:
http://www.bloggybayou.com/2010/06/mcchrystal-crisis-its-opportunity-vice.html
Cheers
Dunno, but some might be interested by this Stratfor analyse
Germany and Russia Move Closer (must read)
http://tinyurl.com/28yt9gj
McCain is on Greta’s show, looking beyond sober, saying he has ‘…every confidence in the military side of our effort, but I’m very very worried about our diplomatic side…Richard Holbrooke….” and his voice trailed off. Holbrooke has scared me to death from the beginning. i won’t say more, i’m already on too many crazy streets.
darren, thanks, you and Josh are good ‘bigger picture’ guys. i don’t think y’all are examining the middle ground context, tho –if big picture is philosophical about human nature, and little picture is well-drilling technique, then middle picture is obam admin and BP connection re the Obam fundie transformie Amerikkii
BL…
You realize that Holbrooke is being snubbed by EVERYBODY over there for carrying the Obumbler’s water?
It’s not just McCrystal!
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BTW, I predicted that the Emperor’s policy had run off the rails in the Club weeks and weeks ago.
All the Karzai smears were the ‘tell.’ He’s the scapegoat.
I wonder what Don Rumsfeld’s take on the McChrystal situation would be…?
The war in Afghanistan is a useless war, and the way we are conducting it now is an exercise in idiocy. We went to war against Afghanistan because they supported the people who were responsible for 911. And now it has become a politically correct touchy-feely to win the “hearts and minds” of the Afghans even to the extent of making it impossible by ROE to effectively make any progress whatsoever.
Crap and bullshit. What we should do is to isolate a mountain in Afghanistan and turn in into a crater with a nuke. Invite politicians from Iraq and Pakistan as well for the event. And then tell them: we are leaving and your lands belong to you. We have come and we have been merciful in our victory. But if we have to come again it will be to exterminate you and everyone who lives in your lands, just like we have done to this mountain. No mercy, no bargaining, just death. It is your choice.
170. Marie Claude
‘Stratfor analyse Germany and Russia Move Closer (must read)’
Another knife in the air for the jugglers?
I doubt that our socialists in Washington will offer any objections.
174. Tcobb
‘… isolate a mountain in Afghanistan and turn in into a crater with a nuke. Invite politicians from Iraq and Pakistan as well for the event. And then tell them: we are leaving and your lands belong to you. … No mercy,no bargaining, just death. It is your choice.’
Totally Agree
Yah, look, IF Obambus fires McChrystal, it will be the first time in his administration, maybe the first time in his life, he’s made an active decision beyond himself (ok he decided to marry, he decided to run for president, he decided to have that bushwacker drink, …). So, I guess he won’t.
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bl, I continue to refuse to believe Obama knows what he’s doing in any way, shape, or form.
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Tcobb, I agree with your demonstration, though actually, mountains are tougher than that and nukes not as powerful as we sometimes imagine, and the Islamic mind pretty resistant to demonstrations. Even so, even so.
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Holbrooke is an empty suit.
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Dwesson445 @ 173: I don’t know that Rumsfeld was ever much on actual field operations and ROE. Regarding the political situation he might have an opinion, but the Rummy we know from Dubya’s time, was already sort of running on empty, attempting mostly good stuff, but maybe not the kind of guy to go to on hot issues.
144. Rosinante
Wow! I bet you wish you were still a 4-Star and hadn’t retired early!
Don’t get mad, I’m Navy so I don’t know any of what you speak. But it does sound awfully harsh.
Speak more on this and train us up.
Marie, are Russia and Germany as close as they were in ’39? Remember how they split up Poland? Then 18 months or so later Germany invaded. They got really close in a place called Stalingrad.
Germany and Russia have been killing each other for over a thousand years. Traditionally, when they declare eternal peace it means one of them is about to attack the other.
While the Red Army is a shadow of it’s former self, the Wehrmacht no longer exists. Not even in the re-named version. Not that there is any worry about Russia invading Germany. The Red Army has the same problem today that it had throughout the cold war. Getting thru Poland.
Gelb argues against changing McChrystal
Politico ^ | 6/22/2010 | Laura Rozen
Tea leaves? Leslie Gelb is a good friend of several key administration officials derided by Gen. Stanley McChrystal and his staff in the Rolling Stone piece, most notably perhaps Vice President Joe Biden, who along with Gelb, opposed the Afghanistan surge.
But despite those ties and strategic policy differences, Gelb argues against another change in command in Afghanistan in this Daily Beast column, which starts off with an analysis of why the military basically doesn’t trust Democratic presidents:
If Leslie Gelb of CFR says it, it’s probably wrong.
… though apparently he’s sort of supporting Israel on the recent flotilla business.
Obama’s malicious incompetence with ”date certain withdrawal” is equivalent to pinning a bullseye on every friend we have over there, starting with Karzai –and he knows it better’n anybody. If we can’t prosecute on “conditions-based withdrawal” we ought to scoot home now, and get busy building Fortress America.
MC –hell of an essay –can’t say it’s any surprise –Putin is fluent in German, an old East Germany KGB expert –and what we see happening is said to be his lifetime goal.
Papa Ray –another eye opener –and it could be another planned blow to western systems. These nation-sized corporations are for all practical purposes nations with social-network rather than geographical borders. Too big to fail is expressed internally by boards of directors unmoored to the vast shallow sea of stockholders. Stockholder revolts just don’t happen –tho they could. yes Exxon holders and GE holders make speeches but they don’t much organize.
Problem is –i only savvy this fuzzily –an EPA regulation that puts a thousand dollar per barrel fine on spills –this could simply transfer all of BP to the EPA, on the rough & dirty face of it. but that’s too big to happen –it would bring down the British economy for starters.
EPA has another fiendish reg –something about boilers –it’s in a Frontpage article –Doug can find it if he’s around tonite –
TCobb 174: demo nuke? A bit humane for some of us, but OK. Absolutely agree with the message.
And there’s the asbestos saga to look at –every company that touched it went banckrupt in the endless claims. if BP draws any indictments on the criminal investigation, people will start seeing an asbestos replay –and stockholders will get crushed. Just too big, too big, too many dependant stockholders in a giant that can be brought down by a half dozen people, like a corner grocery store.
#174 TCobb . . .
This is my viewpoint as well. The Mohammedans should fear us, especially in places where they think they can waste the lives of American troops. Don’t muck with Americans.
That’s my basic foreign policy. We can be nice, or we can be vicious. They should fear us.
McChrystal Balls
London Times ^ | June 22, 2010
But even General McChrystal’s warmest supporters (and there are many) never credited him with skill in public relations. One general close to the President told The Times, with affection, that “Stan McChrystal is probably the best pure soldier that America has produced for years. But he’s been living in a Special Forces bubble for decades, he can’t deal with the media.”
President Obama has summoned General McChrystal to the White House this morning. His spokesman refused last night to confirm that the general’s job was safe. The Commander-in-Chief is fully entitled to give his general a dressing-down, for insubordination and for poor judgment. But it would be a profound mistake to fire him.
General McChrystal, the architect of the “surge” of US troops now reaching its peak, has produced the first coherent Afghan military strategy. That has enabled Nato to put more effort into building alliances, and into encouraging good government. To withdraw him now would be to throw away hard-won gains at a crucial point.
It would also be to dismiss the weight of his criticism. Many of his gripes are legitimate.
184. Promethea
We are the only people that nuked someone, looked at our results, and then nuked them again…
Know what? I still like us.
Lot of interesting stuff here. Sgian Dbuh, excellent work on the Edmund Fitzgerald. I heard the Lightfoot song in my head as I read. It was a wonderfully terrible analogy you made; it probably applies to 1) the Admin 2) The US economy, 3) world affairs in general, considerably as a result of Obama.
Josh, good points. I think some of the dhimmi Jews are starting to grasp what some of us got the first time we read about and saw Barry – this is the first ideological, committed Jew-hater in the US Presidency for a long time. Nixon couldn’t hold a sweaty, ski-jumped candle to Obama on that. It is also a positive sign, if so, if we can extrapolate. Partly it’s heat they may get from others in the community. I hope so.
Darren, ‘swinging better’ is not really about swinging slower. How do we know this – and I’m actually only a Driving Range golfer, still – from the pros’ swing speeds. The key to an effective golf swing, besides the hitting the ball flush with a squared clubhead (more or less) is rhythm and the backswing-downswing time ratio. The proper ratio is about 3-1 in time units; anything else suggests problems. ‘Swinging slower’ usually translates to a slower backswing, which helps keep the club on line and the body aligned for the downswing. Then, rapid acceleration is in fact desired and essential.
What must accompany this, though, is 1) the club coming through at a good angle, which depends on the position ‘at the top’ being reasonable, which is related to a coherent (slow) backswing; and 2) the ability to throw the club/unleash the forces of acceleration, which is related to a relaxed grip.
Many players both grip the club too tightly and throw their alignment off by an awkward, too-fast backwing.
The other thing about Mr. Budget quitting, apart from all his pregnant friends, is that just maybe he really does see that the economy will explode – not implode – as a result of massive spending to come, macroeconomic trends, the Gulf problem, and the massive damage to international economies to be caused by the war that Obama is guaranteeing will happen.
BP has a huge position in just about everything — including the Syn-CDO market.
Also the CDO market and various insurers… ( E&O policies on the Directors, etc.
It now is becoming apparent what a fiasco this is to global pension funds. Every retiree gets a piece of this …. sandwich.
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BL, BTW, if the EPA determines that the company acted criminally ( as they define it ) then the fine alone is $4,300 per bbl. The fine is on top of all other liabilities. BP is going to have to partition the corpus else it becomes a corpse.
CDS rates on BP unsecured debt are exploding upward. She’s already deemed a CCC credit by the market. Moody’s and peers are downgrading BP as fast as they politically can.
BTW, Anadarko Petroleum (APC) is being led to the slaughter, too. They are minority owners: plenty of liabilities without control. Expect some nasty cross-suits, too.
And now Bob, after much cogitation, will present you with his policy prescription for the Afghan theater. Remember, you are getting the benefits of an encyclopedic knowledge, a frightening intelligence, and top-secret clearance.
Are you ready?
Here we go:
Counterinsurgency or a fixed withdrawal date. Pick one.
Larry @ 187: I think some of the dhimmi Jews are starting to grasp what some of us got the first time we read about and saw Barry – this is the first ideological, committed Jew-hater in the US Presidency for a long time.
Oh, I don’t think Obama has anything really against Jews, or apes or dogs. Not like he does against the British, anyway. Maybe that’s the problem with Israel, it’s too British.
hahahahahahahah
blert, I keep telling myself that BP has dealt with difficult situations before and will pull through here, I still have better feelings about BP than I ever did about, say, Citibank, or even GM. BUT Hayward really is a donkey, and that Swedish meatball wasn’t much better. I can’t see that agreeing to the $20b shakedown was a good idea. And yet, maybe they can still pull it out? After all, Obama is coming out as bad from this as they are. IF they can kill the leak by August, I think maybe they survive. I still take the technoid view of things. And BP will still try to spread the blame back to Transocean and other contractors and partners, and for cleanup problems back to the feds, including this Jones Act fiasco. May also depend on how the cleanup does go, how the bacteria do, even how the hurricane season goes. How is it we have still not had testimony from the workers on the rig? OK, don’t answer that.
Considering the ownership of Occidental Petroleum (large chunk owned by Gore & family) I’m surprised no Belmont Clubber has researched and posted Occidental’s relationship to BP, and the likelihood of Occidental inheriting loot from BP’s dismantling.
so $4.3k/bbl if criminal x 25k bpd spill x 65 days = 7 billion dollahz to date. jeez, carole won’t get any browner, she’ll only get redder.
hard to even imagine what the other deepwater projects are gonna face insurance premium-wise. Gawd, we’re so screwed. Louisianians are in shock –i mean, disassociative personality-splitting shock –oil economy gone, seafood economy gone, marsh gone, coast gone, everything gone, moratorium crushing with unreasonableness after 50,000 wells without anything near like this happening, 600 deepwater wells without trouble –if obama had been pres on 9/11/01 i guess he’d have had every tall building in the country torn down –’until we are sure about safety’.
oh, these horrible people –nazis rose up from the dead –what did we do to deserve this — i mean, besides failure to strangle it in the crib .
josh, blert, per wondering about crew statements and background stock movements, here’s a start (website i found on search, so, y’know the drill –grain o salt, but may be a grain too much –judgement and fact-chasery SOP).
http://the-raw-deal.com/?p=2733
I have always stood behind the goals in Iraq and Afghanistan and still do. But I will not stand behind the civilian and military commanders who impose rules of engagement that put our troops in unnecessary jeopardy. This idea of handing out medals for showing “courageous restraint” under fire (trust a Brit to come up with that one) is just about the last straw. If this is the mindset running the show these days, then I say bring ‘em home, every last one of ‘em. I will not see them sacrificed on the alter of their command’s political correctness and incompetence. We’ll just have to deal with any future terrorist problems in the sector with other, and no doubt less delicate, means.
The left has been howling about Afghanistan becoming another Viet Nam since 2001 (before, of course, Afghanistan became the “good” war and Barack Obama became CinC). Well, it looks like they may finally get it. I already lived through one Viet Nam. I stood behind the goals there, too. And look how that turned out.
Glen Beck last night had an interesting time-line that involved George Soros investing $900 million in a South American Oil company (Petro Bras, I think) a couple of months before Bernake loaned $2 billion to that same company just after the first stimulus was effected(sorry, didn’t take notes).
Then the Deepwater Horizon blew….then Obama put a 6 month moritotium on drilling in the Gulf.
Wow! How convenient!
The next two issues were as follows:
1. The company we loaned $2 Billion to needed the money to finance a drilling operation, not 5,000 feet down, but 17,000 feet down. Weird. We are financing a deep water rig that deep while putting a moratorium on those here of only 5,000.
2. A moratorium of 6 months will take the 33 moveable rigs now in the Gulf to more productive areas in the Western Africa and Eastern South American areas (and the crews that operate them). Maybe they will be leased by the Chinese Comunists – IN THE GULF OF MEXICO. The expected loss of American jobs estimated last night was about 650,000.
Latest word from Gov. Bobby Jindal today is that he is expressing concern that those rigs will be moving to the Petro Bras company partially owned by George Soros.
Anyone making those decisions knows those estimates. But doesn’t give a rat’s latissimus about them.
Seems totally intentional to some observers. Looks to me like someone is intentionally trying to decimate the states of the Deep South.
Hmmm, now why might an African American President want to do that?
Rosinante. Unfortunately, after Putin had succesfully and with just an one stroke, managed to get rid of the entire Polish civilian and military leadership, Poland’s new ridiculous “liberal-democratic” regime decided to demilitarise Poland completely.
In such a case, even a weakened Russia or Germany wouldn’t have much problem with moving their decrepit militry machines across that country.
There would be some benefit of such a scenario, though; The Poles are most patriotic when enslaved.
Othervise they tend to waste their energy on internal quarrels over peanuts.
But so do THE YANKS! He, he, he…
MF 192; i’ve mentioned it several times. starting with Oxy getting Phibro for two bits on the dollar a few months ago, courtesy Obama’s pay czar, due to a trader in London who made $100 mm (“too much”) creating the binge which collapsed the non-abnormal bid in the oil futures mkt of summer 08. this guy had come to Phibro from BP, natch, and now he’s at Oxy –the London Citi sojourn being just long enough to clock the USA taxpayers on their own dime (as Citi –phibro’s erstwhile owner –is ”ours” now). Oxy also stepped into Love Canal just long enough to act as the villain for carole browner’s 500 billion SuperFund ripoff –which set up the raft of enviro toxic cleanup companies now making hay cleaning up the gulf. And Oxy and BP are swapping properties at this minute in Colombia and pakistan. Oh shit it just goes on and on, i’m not scratching the surface here. Elk Hills –just search [ Elk Hills Gore Occidental ] –search [ Occidental KGB Gore ] for an eye opener –or [ chiquita holder colombia oxy bp ] –
191. Josh
How is it we have still not had testimony from the workers on the rig? OK, don’t answer that.
Too bad. Dicn’t you hear? They were on the MTA. Pity. they will “never return.”
Signed by Sens. Grassley (R-IA), Hatch (R-UT), Vitter (R-LA), Bunning (R-KY), Chambliss (R-GA), Isakson (R-GA), Inhofe (R-OK), and Cochran (R-MS)
If the crew at 1600 thinks this will fly, they really have flipped their corks over there.
Do you ever get the feeling the people in Obama’s own party are starting to hate him?
Sukie…
“Captain Smith…
We’ve got FREE ICE….
Yes…
Somehow we’ve been ‘chill’en….
Don’t know WHERE the ice came from…
LOUD, don’t you say…”
BL…
Too much truth is ruining my sleep…
My reality.
Wake me up when it’s over.
i know, blert –we keep finding the footprints and baying like houndogs but what good is it, might as well tune out and go fishin’.
Buddy, I was feeling as depressed as you. Then a clear voice came to me saying;”Cheer up, things could be worse.” So I cheered up and sure enough
things got worse.
Remember what Hannibal Smith said: “Things always look the darkest right
before they go completely black.”
Won’t you join me in that time-tested therapy: “When in fear or in doubt, RUN IN CIRCLES, SCREAM AND SHOUT!”
And remember what the old Johhny Reb said when he saw an atomic blast: “I don’t care what Lee is going to do, I’m gonna surrender!”
You feel any better now?
hey thanks, dave. Now i’ll sleep like a baby –wake up evry two hours crying and peeing on myself.
Well I’m off to slumberland myself by now. Was something else I was going to tell you. When you start to get old, three things happen. First is you lose your memory.
Wish I could recall what the other two are.
Hey, those folks in the Runaway Scrape had it darned near as bad as we have it now.
Guess we will pull through after all. St Rita says to count your beads. Works every time.
ahh, short term memory –the other day i went to a doc about it, told him i was having trouble with short term memory. he asked me, “how long have you had this problem?” I answered, “how long have i had WHAT problem?”
Wonder why R.E. Handy had no county named after him? –when Deaf Smith and Captain Karnes both did?
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http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2438-Open-Contempt-Will-The-Judiciary-Sit-For-It.html
(snip from Denninger’s piece)
WASHINGTON – Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said Tuesday he will issue a new order imposing a moratorium on deepwater drilling after a federal judge struck down the existing one.
Salazar said in a statement that the new order will contain additional information making clear why the six-month drilling pause was necessary in the wake of the Gulf oil spill. The judge in New Orleans who struck down the moratorium earlier in the day complained there wasn’t enough justification for it.
That’s an open act of contempt of court.
The administration had its opportunity to argue it’s case. It failed to persuade, in no small part because it filed it’s brief containing the “report” in which it intentionally cast in false light the statements of several experts that were consulted.
The Judge properly saw through this and ruled against the administration.
The administration has a right of appeal and to ask for a stay on the judge’s order.
It does not have a right to ignore or circumvent the Judge’s order, irrespective of the fraudulent device it might choose to employ to do so.
We either live in a land where the judiciary is the place you go for adjudication of disputes or we live in a Kingdom with a self-appointed ruler and King.
Which is it?
District Judge Feldman is now compelled to hold Ken Salazar in contempt of court for willfully and intentionally evading his lawful order.
Salazar said in his late Tuesday statement imposing a moratorium “was and is the right decision.”
It doesn’t matter whether you believe it was the right decision or not. You were overruled by a court of law.
(end snip, see link for proper emphasis & floormat, uh, format)
where Sukie Tawdry came from
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very short, very clean and clear video illustrating BOP blind shears, and shuttle valve
We are dying in Afghanistan to make it safe for the drug lords, one of which is Karzai’s brother. That’s why Karzai wants Obama to lay off Stan.
Josh: They are scouring the country for the best qualified to pull us out of the quagmire, didn’t you get the memo?
Obama is looking for a war czar? The irony.
177. Sgian Dubh, read the link. URL?
The numbers there are calculated from the handbook Petraeus helped write. It is a consensus of opinion that 20 troops per 1,000 citizens is the MINIMUM needed to fight the type of insurgency we are facing in Afghanistan. McCrystal helped Petraeus write that manual.
Logically, that means either he doesn’t believe what he helped write, he thinks he was wrong, he thinks he has found a way to do it with less OR he knows he won’t get 600,000 troops at once, since the USA doesn’t have that many and his plan is to ‘rock soup’ it.
Rock Soup is the technique used in Vietnam. Start with a small number and then increase it a little at a time until you are finally where you need to be. It is a time honored military solution to the problem of getting adequate force levels out of the politicians. Mission creep is another term.
So McCrystal KNOWS he needs 600,000 + troops. By his OWN calculations. He also knows he can’t get 600,000 troops. So one has to ask why he is going thru with this dog and pony show?
BTW, the snide crack about 4 stars demonstrates a certain lack of information about military history. You seem unaware of the FACT that most of histories foremost military writers had little if any military (combat) experience.
Clausewitz was an adie-de-camp who was never close enough to a battlefield to smell the gunpowder.
Bernard Fall was a journalist and the creator of the ‘soft’ approach used by the USA’s COIN operations of today.
Sun Tzu, who is credited for the oldest book on military maxims ( a LOT of controversy over that. It is far from resolved as a point of military history) seems to have been a court follower.
Very few Generals add anything to what is loosely termed ‘military science’. That is because rising to the rank of general requires conventional thinking. Conventional thinking doesn’t produce advances in anything.
McCrystal is a dective. He would be great in a CSI type thingie were instaed of arresting some one, the JDAM them.
One of the reasons McCrystal is so popular among the Left is he feeds their delusion that terrorism is an act of crime, NOT an act of war.
Gates has the same problem. He really wants to be the Director of the FBI, not Sec of Def. So by treating a global war as a crime problem he gets to act out his fantasy.
Read that URL. While war at the tactical level cannot be reduced to columns and rows and put in a spreadsheet, it can be treated that way at an operational or strategic level. On a tactical level, it’s the men that matter. Once you get above that, it’s ALL about logistics.
T/209; –but we can’t leave and let the Tongs have it –the genovese & gambino would shit bricks –or not, as it were. holbrooke would be humiliated again, the story of his miserable wretched life.
200,000 skeletons
& Just what is the World Record Long Range KILL for Gen.McChrystal’s Snipers in Afghanistan ??? Obama is a TRAITOR!!! :X
170. Marie Claude
Dunno, but some might be interested by this Stratfor analyse
Germany and Russia Move Closer (must read)
http://tinyurl.com/28yt9gj
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yeah I read it. if so then it doesn’t look like the germans see any future in fracking gas in the ruhr.
Michael Yon Life was good before I went to Iraq. But after three friends were killed during the GWOT, and my growing mistrust for the media and for the US Government/Military, I quit traveling the world and went to war. The United States was in peril. I am American. Today, I do not trust McChrystal anymore than some people trust the New York Times, Obama or Bush. If McChrystal could be trusted, I would go back to my better life. McChrystal is a great killer but this war is above his head. He must be watched.
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My words:
(McChrystal’s staff kicked yon out of Afghanistan–perhaps the same staff that enabled the Rolling Stone article. McChrystal’s media guy who arranged the Rolling Stone interview resigned.)
Prelude to Obama’s future?
Kevin Rudd, Prime Minister of Australia and an Obama lookalike, has announced that he is being challenged for his job by his own party
It’s the same story. Wild promises undelivered. The Change failed to meet the Hope. Dreams colided with reality.
Now, the aftermath. Hell hath no fury like a leftie scorned.
ADE
Afghan leaders voice strong support for McChrystal
Miriam Rove # 130
There are a whole lot of points to respond to here – and I am going to try to keep this from becoming a private conversation within this thread.
1. The issue is not when he should “fix” it – the issue is when he should accept ownership of his position. The constant blame of a previous administration is both un presidential and counterproductive. One must assume that Obama wanted the job and did due diligence as to what he was getting into. On the day he swore in – the job became his.
2. The issue is not when he should “fix” it – the issue is when the direction will change. Things have gotten worse under Obama’s watch – and they are getting worse faster. I am not looking for a magical “all better” date – just perhaps a day that was better than the day before.
3. The issue is not when he should “fix” it – the issue is if he has the core skill sets to make any progress at all. This is Obama’s 1st leadership position. Virtually all previous presidents came to the table with a generation or more of senior level management experience. Obama has literally none. BHO also seems to fundamentally misunderstand the concept of macroeconomics – where wealth comes from and how it is created. He seems to believe (mistakenly) that if he prints more money – he has more money. (BTW – I am not going to get too long winded on this topic in this forum – but I wrote a paper on the topic called “Macroeconomics for Dummies” back in 2003 – I believe it is floating around the internet if you are curious). Anyway – Obama’s economic policy borders on suicidal. We simply can not sustain this level of debt. When we are to the left of France and China lectures us on spending – you know we are moving in the wrong direction. Bush was bad – Obama is 100 times worse.
Finally – I don’t like the terms “right and left”. They are too vague. I am a Conservative. Conservative vs liberal are extremely easy to define. They are both simple statements of quantity of government. As a Conservative I believe in a Conservative amount of government. I believe that government causes far more problems than it solves and I believe that “need” does not in and of itself justify government action. I believe that Government “getting out of the way” is the solution to many of our national problems.
Let me share a quote with you:
“Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
Have to get to the office.
GDT
Go to the Rolling Stone home page and look at the top rotator. You’ll see a picture for the McChrystal story. If it doesn’t automatically move to the picture for the next story, click on the right arrow. You’ll see the Left’s vision of the ideal military.
Just finished Lewis Sorley’s A Better War, about Creighton Abrams and the post-Tet Vietnam war. The change in emphasis from enemy to population you’re supposed to be protecting is what the author says was the difference between Westmoreland stomping around with 600,000 troops and making little headway, and Abrams drawing down yet dealing far more significant blows to the VC and NVA. It didn’t get much into the Phoenix Program or the other efforts to decapitate (literally, if necessary) the VC infrastructure, but it was included as part of the plan.
What I found interesting was the corollary between population security as Abrams’ goal in 1969 and population security being Petraeus’ spanking-new strategy for The Surge in 2006-7. Considering that population security is the goal of McChrystal’s COIN strategy, it could work if it were done smart enough and hard enough. McChrystal still has a Cambodia-analogue in Pakistan, and it’s really hard to kill off a guerilla force when they have an arbitrary line beyond which they can retreat and you cannot follow. The French couldn’t do it, the US couldn’t do it initially and the 30km incursion into Cambodia in 1970, while helpful and probably buying the RVN an extra year, was insufficient. Predator drones won’t eliminate the safe havens, either.
The question before the press is “Should the President fire McChrystal?” In other countries, the converse question is also a legitimate concern. It is a useful aphorism that “military coups occur when the military culture is more effective than the civilian culture”. I don’t think this is the time to worry about Stan McChrystal pulling a carbon-fiber knife on the President and declaring himself the New Maximum Leader, civilian control of the military will survive an effective combat leader being discharged by an ineffective governmental leader. But the civilian side needs to catch up, and fast.
OT,
More Blago tapes coming out. Not sure what the prosecution point is. From what I heard it sounded like Obama asked for Valerie Jarrett to get the Senate seat and Blago was saying that if he did he would dead meat in Illinois politics so he would need a safe harbor job. Blago’s aide then suggested that he play up how he had helped advance Obama’s agenda when making his pitch for a job. Neither of those, especially the asking for himself based on his loyalty in taking a political bullet and advancing the liberal agenda, sound illegal.
Blago has a point here, this makes Obama look worse than the Governor.
To be blogged under the title “Upstate Gratitude.”
miriam:
Bush left Obama a mild recession and two wars that were going well.
Obama’s bumbling made both situations much worse.
Why don’t you for once learn something before spouting off?
OT – Just an amusing anecdote I found on the web.
Light reading.
I find a parable in this story, but perhaps not every one will.
programmer
If the only way to win a war of necessity is to mock the commander in chief, the dilemma is either win the war and break the principle of civilian supremacy or uphold civilian supremacy and lose the war.
But ‘mocking the commander’ is a strange, extreme way to win a war. Certainly it’s not the only way. So the dilemma here is a pleasant exercise, but hasn’t much application in the long run.
This isn’t Justinian failing to support Belisarius, but it does bring reminders. And Belisarius wasn’t shackled by such rules of engagement, either – though he preceded General Petraeus by 1500 years in understanding that he’d win operational support by honorable treatment of indigenous populations.
programmer, I don’t grok. story tracks IT circa 1972, I came into the field soon thereafter, and I don’t know what moral or technical quality grabs ya about it, other than an ineffable quaintness of when we were all much younger.
223. programmer Some of us still use machine code from time to time. When one has to roll-their-own processor in an FPGA, the only way to get it going initially is with machine code. After that, in my case, I have a generic assembler program that will take a mnemonic to machine code look-up table and use it to turn an assembly source file into an executable program. There are several important lessons for life contained in your story, but I’m not sure which one applies to this thread? I would be very interested to hear your take on the story.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38911.html
reports McChrystal left white house today after brief meeting and ahead of a strategy meeting he would be expected to attend.
i hope they have the meeting on tape, we’re only going to hear Obambus’ side of it.
A special forces general and a thinker and Obambus in the same room, … someone would have to fold bigtime. I was thinking it would be Obambus for his own good, but to make that work he’d have to wrap it in process and etiquette, … but I suppose neither party here is big on that. Obambus open his big mouth with a joke about lipstick on a pig, and the general would be out the door before the echoes died. If the report is accurate, betcha that’s how it went. Even if Obambus’ intention was to keep McChrystal, if McChrystal would just kiss his ring. Betcha.
Orzag does not want to be blame for running this country to the ground. The question is did he get is golden parachute.
I had something written up about McCrystal’s “comments”, but decided to leave a link to this:
“McChrystal Goes Rogue… Again!”
Which approximates what I wrote, but also that I truly believe that the General has reached the point of where he thinks that the war is going to be lost because of not only the lack of support and self defeating ROE from Obama and his handlers, but mainly from the rest of our government, especially our inept State Dept and the disappointing facts that several of NATO have stated that that they are going to abandon Afghanistan soon.
He knows that the chances of any kind of win, went out the window or at least severely damaged when our State Dept lackey criticized and marginalized the President of Afghanistan and THEN we had to have three levels of brass to get approval for air or arty. The mistaken notion pushed by the media is that the General is the one who is behind this reduction of air and arty and restricted ROE. Not exactly true. His aim was to reduce civilian deaths but NOT by reducing the protection and support of our troops to the reduction of the use of air and arty to the level it has been. That has been pushed by the Afgan Government and our State Dept. as well as NATO brass.
Yon foretold and tells of this and I have my sources too. There is quite a lot of discussion of this out of the sight of media or even on the net.
But this is the problem with the military and always has been. The implementation by the lower brass to an order given from the top. I saw this repeatedly in my little war to where we even had to have unit identification of the enemy. Not just that they were enemy forces but who the hell they were.
Stupid? Well, not near the most stupid I could tell you of.
As far as the rest of my opinion on Afghanistan, I left my comment HERE on this earlier Belmont Club post, before the ROE changes, for anyone interested. Just beware it is a little longish…kinda like this little war in a far off place where our Warriors are enduring hardship, stupid leadership, and being told to not fight but just to make friends and not get into any situations where there might be contact with the enemy around civilians.
Does that sound familiar? If you were in VN it will be very familiar. We won that fight only to have our politicians lose it for us and millions of innocent civilians.
Is it about to happen again?
Papa Ray
P.S. For what it is worth the Afghan government (what little and corrupt that it is) is against Obama sacking the General. Consider that and take it for what ever you think it is worth.
“One upside to this whole kerfuffle is it might further open up the debate on what the Pfc Warrior was quoted as saying yesterday
“Just what the heck are we doing there?”"
Ans:
Providing cannon fodder for the Military/Political PC Complex.
i have a feeling this is ultimately a white op to do several things: present a pretext to the public for remaining in afghanistan longer than 2011 drawdown, reorient ‘mcchrystal’s strategy’ in some way, give obama some cred among the rougher foreign interested parties involved here. i think the idea that mcchrystal and his team talked freely around an unknown rolling stone 20whatever yeard old reporter is absolutely ludicrous. it did not happen. this administration and this country is in some deep f_cking sh_t when it comes to afghanistan, and the collective They risk the political power of this country, big time, if they have to readjust too often. a very, very mildly insubordinate general who may remain advisor outside the media’s view is a tiny and useful casualty by comparison. the enemy is not necessarily at home in the white house, although the enemy may have helped the white house and various other institutions to be honeycombed in the present way. like any other asset, these people are sent only knowing 75% of the story: obama was sent to f_ck up, not to rule. i think they’re in scramble mode; that’s what all the conspicuous silence is about. things are not going well. a “rolling stone expose” is a good little move to accomplish a few things.
just a hypothesis and what it smells like to me. obama, pelosi, reid, axelrod – the more i watch them the more i think these people couldn’t seriously conspire their way out of a paper bag. but now there’s no one above them to clear the way, lend a hand up, get rid of a meddlesome rival. these people know how to do nothing but politics – which is bullsh_t – and enjoy various species of nepotism. of course – because what’s important is that their self-confidence remains, child-like, up to the task of simply being who they’re portrayed to be. but the world is way way out of wack for them as a result of their hothouse climb, which they have not earned in any way, and there is no chance of their being able to run it straight, let alone manipulate it. no – i think the big crisis is around the corner, and it will come from outside.
I can tell you that McChrystal putting in his resignation is part of his visit to the POTUS. This meeting wouldn’t be convened at all if B.Hussein Obama hadn’t already made up his mind, despite what he says on TV.
If I were McChrystal I would have resigned a long time ago. I couldn’t bear to watch heroic comrades die for cynical political self aggrandizement and political capitol.
As an American I find it physically repulsive and mentally incapacitating at the very thought of fighting for such limited vision and principle.
More over, I actually proclaim that Americans are being INTENTIONALLY SACRIFICED for socialist political advancement and idealistic social justice by our government.
SO, … NO DECISION at all on McChrystal, or at least no announcement?
And meanwhile, headline that the containment cap on the BP well was just knocked off by a submarine and it’s now gushing uncontained again?
What a day.
in 30 minutes, Obam on TV –
if o will resign, the world will boil out into the streets in joy
I guess he was watching the world cup.
SO, he’ll get on the TV and vote present?
Josh and wildiris:
Thanks for your observations.
There are many patterns in that small vignette. One is, to me, an existential one.
“If a program can’t rewrite its own code,” he asked, “what good is it?”
Is it possible that someone can say to themselves, “If a person can’t change their own path, what good are they?”
What about generals? Are they only programs, or are they programmers?
Another small parable, at least for me:
After he finished the blackjack program and got it to run, (“Even the initializer is optimized”, he said proudly) he got a Change Request from the sales department. The program used an elegant (optimized) random number generator to shuffle the “cards” and deal from the “deck”, and some of the salesmen felt it was too fair, since sometimes the customers lost. They wanted Mel to modify the program so, at the setting of a sense switch on the console, they could change the odds and let the customer win…[snipped out]…Mel finally gave in and wrote the code, but he got the test backwards, and, when the sense switch was turned on, the program would cheat, winning every time. Mel was delighted with this, claiming his subconscious was uncontrollably ethical, and adamantly refused to fix it.
Even generals have a subconscious, if you are of the ilk that even believe in the subconscious as being real.
And of course, at the last, very simply, programming was a lot more fun (for some of us) in the olden time.
Maybe he wants to announce that the victory over Algeria has “made shooer” that America won’t lose to Algeria?
5 Year-Old Ukranian Boy Slaughtered Like a Goat By Radical Islamist
A 5-year-old Ukrainian boy was slaughtered by an alleged religious fanatic as he played in a sandpit with his friends, Pravda reported Tuesday.
The stranger strolled up to little Viktor Shemyakin before pointing to a tree and saying:
“Look, there is a bird up there.”
When the youngster glanced upward the maniac plunged a knife into his throat, Pravda said.
The June 18 killing has threatened to ignite tension in the town of Dneprovka, in Ukraine’s Crimea region, after it emerged that the 27-year-old knifeman was a suspected Muslim fanatic, the Russian online newspaper reported.
The victim’s three-year-old sister Lena Shemyakina and her five-year-old friend were among a group of young children who witnessed the horrifying attack.
Viktor’s mother, named only as Angelina, heard their screams and ran out of the house to find her child lying in a pool of blood.
“The man screamed Allahu Akbar (Arabic for ‘God is great’) when killing the boy, “said a shocked local. “The kid was slaughtered like a goat.”
It’s funny: in Iraq they were so worried about ‘force protection’ they wouldn’t go outside the wire. Now it’s the other way around. Wish they’d make up their mind.
I still say all this nation-building, enable-them-to-take-over is wrong. Do it like the Army in the Indian Wars: chase, harass, cut off the buffalo and water holes, raid, and give them no peace. We won’t get ‘em all but they can’t settle down and plan another 9/11. As for the civilians, let ‘em live the way they wish.
It kills me to say it: Biden was right.
Is it time for a Soldiers March On Washington?
My prediction – war in August. I hope that I’m wrong.
There Will Be War
http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/21/iran-nuclear-israel-war-opinions-reza-kahlili_print.html
It appears rather obvious to me that most of you folks have not even read the Rolling Stone article.
The media sure makes it seem that the General said those things but when/if you read the whole article, you’ll likely decide it’s a teapot tempest. I know the top guy is responsible for the goofs of his subordinates but to attribute this directly to General McChrystal is insubstantiated.
239+: And we could supply the whole thing by air instead of convoys (getting blown up) all the way from the Arabian Sea or down from ***-stan.
“though he preceded General Petraeus by 1500 years in understanding that he’d win operational support by honorable treatment of indigenous populations.”
Your source sir? Oman records Belisarius as a typical general of the period, which means he killed all the natives he could catch. IIRC, he slaughtered entire cities during the Italian campaign. I’ll see if I can find an on-line source. Here is an URL to the chariot riots;
http://www.ponza.org/belisarius.html
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“In 532, he was the ranking military officer in the imperial capital of Constantinople when the Nika riots (among factions of chariot racing fans) broke out in the city and nearly resulted in the overthrow of Justinian. Belisarius, with the help of the magister militum of Illyria, Mundus, suppressed the rebellion in a bloodbath that is said to have claimed the lives of 20,000 people.”
Another point of fact, one that isn’t as obscure, is that Belisarius died a blind begger after trying to overthrow the Emperor and failing.
The strategy of making them your friends and they will stop trying to kill you is a theory. I have challenged military “experts” to show me where it has worked. None were able too. I got tossed off “Small Wars Journal” for being so bold as to want evidence for that pie in the sky liberal fantasy.
No, the current approach in Afghanistan has no chance of success. Regardless of who the general or President is. That is because the logistics to support the number of troops needed isn’t there.
The Pakistan Army has just a bit more the 600,000 troops. Low tech Army, so that wouldn’t be enough.
The Iranian army is estimated at 350,000. Low tech, lower then the Paki’s.
Together, they might be enough. Getting them on our side would be ALMOST as difficult as creating a nation out of Afghanistan.
No, we send in Force Recon or Special ops teams and provide them with Lavish air support. Build a big fort to act as bait and kill terrs.
Leave the ‘gani’s alone. If they join forces with the terrs, they are terrs and get killed with the rest of the terrs.
This approach ( AKA bug hunt) will involve no more then 10 to 12 thousand troops and a 200 Aircraft, mostly fighter bombers.
Casualties drop to single digits per year and the mission of denying Afghanistan to the terrorists is accomplished.
Rumor is Petraeus will replace…
This could get interesting.
Wasn’t Petraeus already theater commander and McChrystal’s superior?
Why then would he need to be “nominated”?
Well, this was the right decision, from Obama’s perspective. I’m surprised he got it right.
Rosinante, don’t forget that Theodora probably deserves much more credit for the response to the Nike riots than Belisarius does – he just followed her orders, for she had more pure nerve than any of the men in command had that day.
The death toll was probably far over 20,000 – maybe as high as 50,000. But without it, Justinian’s reign was over.
It’s an interesting object lesson in how best to deal with an entrenched ideological group that is bitterly opposed to you. For anyone who says “well you can’t kill them all”, well, yes you can. Justinian and Theodora did.
Obama is babbling on and on and on.
Wrong.
It’s Petreus? Whatever happened to “General Betray-us”?
It occurs to me that McChrystal could have been relieved of command without dismissal – and for that matter, what *is* his status now?
But I’m guessing he more or less politely told Obama where to stick it.
j/247; agree –he stood there and dissipated ‘decisive’ with the repetition. just loves to hear himself emote –he can’t help it –
leave ‘em wanting more,
not leave ‘em in a snore.
Obambus the Merciful should have let McChrystal soldier on. That would be thinking out of the box.
Rosinante: Your source sir? Oman records Belisarius as a typical general of the period, which means he killed all the natives he could catch. IIRC, he slaughtered entire cities during the Italian campaign.
Balderdash, sir. Source is largely Procopius & Ian Hughes. Belisarius’s first Italian campaign succeeded precisely because he didn’t ‘slaughter entire cities’. Rather, he made clear to his troops that they weren’t to be looted or mistreated, and by that policy was able to move freely northwards without concern for revolt behind him. He had done likewise in Africa just previously.
“well you can’t kill them all”, just get them all into the Hippodrome and it would be easy.
All the way back to Homer (with a big punctuation at Vlad the Impaler’s place) the ploy works –kill the bastids at the big reconciliation feast, works every time!
Now it appears that General Petraeus has been placed in (demoted to?) General McChrystal’s hot seat. He has played the role of Belisarius once, very well, in Iraq. But Belisarius in his second Italian tour had far less support from the Emperor than in his first, and I shall venture to say that General Petraeus (whom GWB supported strongly) faces a very similar situation with our new media-created Emperor. If said Emperor does not replace the two civilian representatives who two-blocked General McChrystal, one will wonder what sort of boulder has been lashed to the back of General Petraeus. Will he be expected to chant “I will work harder”?
Sic Transit McChrystal.
It is interesting to note that He is not defenestrated for having criticized or undermined or opposed any specific Presidential or administration policy, merely for showing less than wholehearted personal respect for the person of Obama.
Even as I agree with the principle of the military serving the civil government, this only makes sense as McC’s deliberate career-ending confrontation intended to call attention to Obama’s utter incompetence.
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/101691/
don’t miss this –Instapundit marshalling the stinky little army of slurs that also just got fired. esp see the ”look whose bacon” vid –
Rosinante/Buddy/Doug,
I saw many comments ago Rosinante said the only possible source for more troops into Afghanistan would be Russia or China. For the former it’s been there done that in the 1980s, they don’t want anymore and they have enough problems with former Soviet Central Asia what with the Kyrgiz/Uzbek riots. Russia’s Ambassador to NATO Dmitry Rogozin has openly said he thinks the U.S. is going to bail out on Afghanistan in the next few years leaving Russia (and maybe the CSTO with China) holding the security bag when the Talibs start expanding across Central Asia. Remember these guys think their fathers beat Little Satan, and if they beat the Great Satan they can easily expand the Caliphate and overthrow those vodka swilling guys in Bishkek and Dushanbe. Rogozin doesn’t think we have the staying power to last any longer than the mighty Soviet Union did in Afghanistan and said so in his New York Times op-ed several months ago. But in the meantime if we want to keep trying where they failed there’s money to be made on U.S. logistics for Afghanistan whether it’s in Russian Railways to Kazahkstan or in the Antonov air cargo biznis.
As for Doug’s comment the Crimea is probably the most pro-Russian part of Ukraine, where many people resent being forced to learn the Ukrainian dialect (they don’t regard it as its own language) in schools and Mayor Luzhkov of Moscow is basically the honorary mayor of Sevastapol. So Crimea although officially inside Ukraine’s borders is more like an exclave of greater Russia, perhaps more Russian nationalist than Kaliningrad surrounded by the Baltic states and Poland.
Due to the slowdown in construction across Russia the Russians already sent (either through deportation or just drying up visas/jobs) nearly a million CIS guest workers, whether legal or semi-legal home (echoes of a million Mexicans self-deporting due to our own housing slump – Russia is no. 2 behind us in the number of legal and illegal immigrants due to its long and porous land borders with its former Soviet republics). Plus, Russia’s army of 1,000,000 men currently only exists on paper. Even with all the college students and young professionals under the age of 27 who have done their reservist stints to avoid the horrors of dedovshina (look up what that sadism means) and starving on the equivalent of $200 a month, I doubt Russia could muster 300,000 short of another Barbarossa. The actual active duty Russian army that could conceivably be ready to deploy or fight anywhere is probably not much above the Weimar 1920s level of 100,000.
The 10,000-strong 58th Army that went into Georgia was the cream of the Russian crop, made up mostly of kontraktiki (guys who had signed up voluntarily for 2 to 4 years) and even those guys had a tough go not due to serious Georgian resistance but their logistical line through the Roki Tunnel and a Russian air force in even worse shape than the Army. For obvious reasons the bulk of Russia’s best military and paramilitary troops have been based in the Caucuses since the late 90s. But Putvedev’s attempts to drastically cut back the units that only exist on paper and that have been a black hole of corruption for years have been resisted by the top brass. Why do you think Russia has to buy its UAVs from Israel and its amphibious ships from France? The generals in Russia have openly dismissed their defense minister as a ‘furniture salesman’ since that’s how he started out with his biznis career in the late 80s/early 90s.
Now about the Chinese and what they would do about Afghanistan and its implications for Xinjiang, I don’t have a clue. But if they want to take over those lithium fields in Afghanistan with Dragonwater or whomever (PLA in civilian uniforms like in their African colonies), as far as I’m concerned they’re welcome to it.
I have heard even conservatives on right-leaning talk radio in the U.S. say they’re wondering why we are still in Afghanistan if the ROE are basically telling our boys not to fight and McChrystal has been fired for standing by our corrupt opium dealing brother SOB Karzai and wanting to aggressively prosecute the war. This one call in conservative says the Left thinks we’re there for money or natural resources, so what if they’re right, because it seems like we’re not there to win.
210. Rosinante
Sorry man, it was late and I was teasing. Unartfully.
I appologise.
Thanks for the response tho, mate.
[sic] I overstated what the average Russian conscript gets it’s probably on the order of less than $100 U.S. if they are living in the barracks.
Oh how nauseating. There’s Obama in all the photos with Petraeus giving his tight lipped, I-am-SO-the-President faux serious look. Grim he is, like Ben Grimm, and “it’s clobberin’ time” at the White House Corral.
Obama mouths the following, that McChrystal’s comment “undermines the civilian control of the military that is at the core of our democratic system.” Har! The “core of our democratic system”? As if Obama gives a rat’s fuzzy patootie about our democratic system! As if that very “core” he speaks of were not what he has been oh so busy gnawing away at, like the stinking rat he is, hoping to topple the entire edifice.
Meanwhile, MoveOn-dot-Whores disappears the Betray-Us ad from their website. Whoda thunk it? As always, the vermin work best in the dark. The vermin scurry about in thin secrecy — oh you can see them if you look, but why would you want to look? It’s not a pretty site. It’s disturbing, really. So we turn our eyes. We turn our eyes away from the vermin that are biting at our ankles, drawing blood every day, spreading disease.
The vermin are positively swarming around the almost dead corpse. And what scares me is that corpse is the United States of America.
Where is our Pied Piper to lead the vermin out of town and over the cliff, to vanish them forever from the face of the earth?
#43. Doug
RE: the Rolling Stone Article
Not my original thought [drat], but one I read elsewhere.
The Rolling Stone Article is probably thousands of words long. It is fairly small print, multiple columns per page, multiple pages. The Arizona law enforcing Federal immigration law is 3 pages, large print, double or triple-spaced. Guess which one has been read by pretty much everybody in the White House, EOB, and the Cabinet? And which one no one will admit to having read? Guess which theater of operations is characterized by a desire not to bring the full force of the US to bear, and which theater that the US government wants to have the Feds re-enact a replay of Sherman marching through Georgia?
Two thoughts that are mine. First of all, it may have been McChrystal’s intent to be fired, because he may not be happy at being the scapegoat for the coming American defeat [already in the cards, since we are scheduled to cut and run next year]. He may have taken the job out of duty, but now realizes that he will not be allowed to avoid defeat; and not want to openly run away by resigning. Second, one has to fear what PC, Blue Falcon, staff-weenie Obama will appoint to replace McChrystal, when he does finally get around to thinking about the actual war again [about December].
#56 Cowboy
The decision of the Democrats NOT to do a budget has implications. I explored some of the ideological ones as they relate to the role of the power of the purse of the Legislative over the Executive in a post elsewhere. In short, all the Democrats have reverted to a pre-Magna Carta political theory and the Executive is no longer accountable to anyone.
There is another set of implications, though.
1). By refusing to do a formal budget for the Fiscal Year beginning in October [in violation of Federal law] they avoid the legal necessity of the mandatory budget deficit projections for the next 10 years being released before the elections, if such take place. Which means that the real numbers must be truly horrendous, and the downside of concealing them must be better than the downside of revealing them.
2). The downside of concealing them will be shown in the auctions for Treasury Bills. Already warnings have been issued by ratings agencies about American sovereign debt. The only things keeping the charade going are the Federal Reserve monetizing the debt [The Fed buys T-bills, which keeps the T-Bill auction demand up, and interest low. The T-Bills are used as collateral/fractional reserves to allow issuance of more Federal Reserve Notes/credit; part of which will buy more T-Bills], and the fact that functionally there is no interest being paid on T-Bills now as investors are buying them for safety and not return. They believe that we have not yet reached the tipping point to have a risk of default, like Greece, Spain, etc.
If there is not an official Federal Budget subject to independent analysis at all, eventually the market is going to suspect the worst. Investors are going to demand a risk premium on the interest rate. One factor in the Federal debt, is that it has to be regularly re-financed on a regular basis, not only the parts of the old debt that comes due every few weeks, but also the new deficit spending we are embarking on, Trillions a year. A 1% increase in interest rates will start a snowball effect, immediately. Perfect storm time.
#91. SpeakEasy
Regarding what message to send to the politicians, states should pass contingency legislation, VERY PUBLICLY, for how to secede, recall legislators quickly (including nullifying votes), and form rough coalitions with nlike-minded states. Is that going too far? Maybe but hasn’t the current administration already crossed the Rubicon?
This is a wonderful idea, and in our role as a “Committee of Correspondence” it is one that we probably should be pushing. It reminds me of a law that was proposed in Arizona during the Clinton administration. It said that if the Federal government infringed or voided the Second Amendment, that certain consequences would follow.
a) Arizona’s Congressional delegation would return home.
b) All Arizona military personnel [active and reserve] would be called home as soon as practicable.
c) The Governor of Arizona would issue a summons to all other state governors for an immediate convention to discuss what to do.
It got out of committee, but did not pass the full House. It is perhaps time to revisit the concept, adapting it to current events.
#97. aardvark
Isn’t the time ripe for endless Bunker parodies of Obama, especially given the McChrystal flapdoodle, the Gulf of Mexico disaster, and the impending financial catastrophe? But there aren’t any Obama Hitler videos. But there is a vuvuleza parody.
There is a dog, and it isn’t barking.
Absolutely, but there should be no surprise. The largest outlet, and politically the only effective one, for such posted videos is YouTube. YouTube is owned by Google. Google is already notorious for making videos, postings, news items, etc. hostile to Obama and Democrats in general, disappear down the memory hole by erasing them from the Google archive or playing with the ranking so that they do not come up on search. There are still a bunch of Downfall parodies available, but only the ones that have become notoriously effective in their effect against the Left are deemed to have copyright problems.
#123. Mad Fiddler
The obvious implication is that if and when they go beyond the bounds of what is acceptable under the law and Constitution, they are beyond the protection of the law and the Constitution. Chicago Rules may work both ways.
Subotai Bahadur
A lot of people here don’t seem to get it. To a progressive and enlightened society the purpose of an army is to make the enemy love us. This can be accomplished in many ways. One way is to let them kill off a goodly number of our soldiers as this will boost their self-esteem, and as we all know people with high self-esteem are more likely to want to be our friends. If this means sending our soldiers out with nerf-ball guns to get this done it is but a small sacrifice. After all, most of those soldier types are basically just rednecks who need to be tossed out of the gene pool anyway so they can be replaced by third-world types who know how to respect their betters.
Another way is to give money, food, and other support to the enemy and people who aid them while the war goes on. How can you fail to love someone who sends you a check each and every week just for the simple reason that you exist?
Using an army to inflict force upon an enemy is just so crude and unenlightened. Its a throwback to the dark ages.
I have delivered this wisdom to you. Drink deeply of the Kool-Aide children.
Listen, peterike, this administration more than any other exemplifies
The Rule of Law and Transparency.
This is the core mission of these selfless public servants.
Frivolous criticism of this magnificent enterprise serves no purpose.
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Very Busy in Subsea Robotville
Tuned in just in time to see ROV grab a cable and loop it around the cap as it rises to the surface.
Also pics of dispersant injection, ugh.
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262. Subotai Bahadur…
You remind me of my pet peeve:
Since when was government prevented from taking any action unless it was part of some COMPREHENSIVE reform, or system?
What about small, incremental changes, sometime to include actual improvements of the law?
We should have a law banning any bills longer than the US Constitution.
Congress should also be required to prune existing regulations prior to giving birth to more of same.
The net effect would have to REDUCE the total volume of Federal Bilge.
Question on Oil spill. No one seems to comment about the 60 Minutes interview of the person on the oil rig when it blew and what happen prior to the explosion. This interview explains in detail events that occurred. The man is very lucky to be alive. This man as far I know has not been interviewed by anyone else.
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/oil_spill_video_60_minutes_int.html
IMHO McChrystal saw the end game next summer and put this in motion so he could walk away and not be blamed for losing the war.
#242. Gordon
239+: And we could supply the whole thing by air instead of convoys (getting blown up) all the way from the Arabian Sea or down from ***-stan.
With all due respect, the bulk of supplies for a force in combat is POL [Petroleum, Oils, Lubricants]. And I do mean bulk. Looking at our consumption rates in Afghanistan [and we supply the logistics for pretty much the entire multi-national force], the mass and bulk of POL’s, and the amount of airlift capability and its condition [rode hard and put up wet for too many years], I submit that such is not remotely feasible.
Subotai Bahadur
Mr X, i thought this article, and the quoted passage which points up the tactical nuke gap between Russia and NATO of i think about 100 vs (est)7,000, extremely interesting. Your characterizations of a small Russian military being synonymous with a weaker Russian military, are a bit out of kilter with the thrust of the article, which casts the reduction in size as an increase in fighting power.
And of course the current roll-out of [F-22 equal?] brand new 5G Sukoi fighters, brand new heavy air transport fleets, next-gen ICBMs and family of little brothers, four 22,000-ton Mistral class amphibious combat-assault “command-force-projection” naval vessels, the new training emphasis on the non-com core of a small mobile “US Marine-like” army with the best available weapons and tech, et cetera and so forth, and the generalized modernization of which mr. Shlykov speaks, all paint a considerably different picture than that of a run-down rump of the former mighty USSR.
In fact, it looks to me like a force which could take say Saudi Arabia, in two days, if the USA had a president who might not object too much, or be playing golf those two days, either one.
And of course, if they CAN do it, then they don’t really have to, just the readiness will firm up the bid under everything Russia has for sale –including “peace”.
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http://en.rian.ru/valdai_op/20090914/156124823.html
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“…the military ought to be not necessarily prepared for a large-scale war, but certainly ought not exclude it completely from its planning. And for the time being nukes are the replacement – and mostly tactical nukes, because strategic nukes are a political weapon. The tactical nukes are actually the replacement for those reserves, dozens and dozens of reserve divisions in case of something happening. It is not considered a real threat at the present time. But when they speak about Chinese spread or NATO spread, you cannot just dismiss it as something impossible. Still, in the planning and they ask: “Are you ready to respond to a large-scale Chinese attack?” Of course, those small brigades of 3,000-4,000 men would not be serious force compared to the Chinese. So what about the nukes?
That’s the old tactic of NATO against the Soviet Union, when it had an overwhelming conventional power in Europe. NATO was relying on nukes. That’s not a new project, just takes over the old NATO approach to…
Q. The Soviet army?
A. Well, yes, there is nothing new under the moon…
(end snip)
Of course, in the same way that NATO anti-missile defense becomes offensive under the other condition –this has been Russian doctrine and the argument against Star Wars from the beginning –this same argument would have to apply to that tac nuke doctrine which in the article is referred to as ‘defensive only’. Right?
“just get them all into the Hippodrome and it would be easy.”
I’m picturing an SEIU sponsored political rally at Candlestick Park.
I’m surprised he didn’t have the SS shoot him in the back as he walked out the ‘house. “Bye, sukka…”
That’s what Saddam would have done. Er, sorry, wrong. Saddam was a man, not a butler. He took care of business himself.
He’ll put in his retirement papers…it’s what we do.
#262. Subotai Bahadur
I don’t disagree with your analysis but I fear there is another sinister dimension to it as well. A budget bill will appear out of nowhere, another thousand page monstrosity, and there will be cries of urgency that it must be passed at once. And buried in that bill will be laws that would cause outrage if they were proposed by themselves. Cap and trade, Comprehensive Immigration Reform, –who knows.
I fear that the budget bill, when it comes, will essentially be a Trojan Horse. When it comes to the economy or foreign affairs the Dems are drooling idiots. When it comes to political tactics they are masters who should never be under-estimated.
I think that the evidence of insubordination that General McChrystal is being accused of is bulconguava. How many of the quotes in the article are attributed? I think that this whole episode is designed to get General Petaeus in Afghanistan to be there when the air goes out of the Afghanistan balloon.
It is designed to put him in an untenable position so that when the President gives the order to evaculate Afghanistan, that we will leave with the same stench, acrimony, and slaughter that accompanied our departure from VN. Of course, if that happens, we will take a lot of casualties but as far as the left goes, “Who cares? They’re just grunts!” Even if the departure is semi-orderly, the best thing that could result is that the Commanding General will be discredited.
Why is that “good?” Well, it’s not good from my perspective, but man, what a delicious way to eliminate a very popular man from running against you in 2012? Duh.
All you need is the Pakis and the Russians to close the spiggot. I’m feeling some bad JuJu in the offing.
Buddy, your wish is my command:
Utopia will have been achieved when we all become zero emitters.
Zero Emission Nirvana.
One can argue, and Lisa Jackson’s EPA surely will, that getting the government involved in energy efficiency – i.e., how boilers are run – can affect the amount of potentially toxic emissions a facility puts out, but that’s a very thin argument, especially when the rule in question already contains draconian limits. Energy efficiency requirements are rather a backhand way of achieving the Obama administration’s goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, without having to go through the tiresome process of addressing “climate change” directly. Further, we’re only talking about industrial boilers here. The EPA is still formulating MACT rules that will affect the big, electricity-producing utility boilers that are far more significant in terms of size and greenhouse gas emissions than the industrial sector.
Can there be any doubt that this radical EPA will ask the power industry to accept equally unachievable limits and submit to even more government control? As far as this administration and progressives are concerned, the disaster in the Gulf is justification enough for every excess that Big Government can dream up.
SB/266–I wasn’t thinking of current manning levels, rather a much smaller SpecOps operation. I’m aware of the huge needs for large numbers of troops.
mr X/258 (cont’d); Another scenario involving the Mistrals: the ongoing strife in Nigeria, in the Nigerian delta which produces the Saudi-quality light sweet crude which makes up 40% of USA oil imports, gets amped up using a smidgen of the mafiya share of poppy money filling the cellars of St. Petersburg, and the western powers are too distracted, either by the vulnerability of the BTC pipeline or by the bleed in Afghanistan and the Gulf of Mexico, hesitates while photos of Lagos machete murders flood the world press, and a sober, responsible, security-capable Russian fleet has to intervene and stop the killing. Result, Russia takes big seat at OPEC table, USA is asked to leave the hallway outside the meeting room and please wait in the lobby downstairs –or maybe the street outside the building. soon enough, there’s one oil trading desk in the world, and it’s in Moscow. All western wealth moves East. Voila!
Eventually, from tattered broke California and USA, Russia buys real estate from Bering Straights to Russian River, and thus we find out why every Russian leader from Gorby & Soros to Medvedyev this very moment, loves to go to Frisco first, and woo the locals living there on former russian colonial territory, before the kaiser messed it all up –the kaiser, really sort of Amerikanski sort of fellow. Voila!
It’s no mystery WRT the Mistrals: Venezuela.
Putin & Co want to send Monroe packing.
In a high power conflict they’d be throw-aways.
274. buddy larsen
You’re right. If President Obama is good at “never letting an emergency go to waste,” just think with the Russians are implementing today, for tomorrow.
The Russians would make Obama and his cohorts look like pikers by comparison.
It is starting to accelerate…
Darren @ 220
I read Sorley’s book about eight years ago, I think, and found it fascinating. The definitive work on the Phoenix Project is “Ashes to Ashes” by Dale Andrade about 20 years ago. Still available on Amazon but became a very hot commodity several years ago and is priced accordingly. I would love to revisit his book in light of the debate over strategy in Afghanistan, but the person to whom I lent it before my last deployment left the unit and took the book with him. Not sure that I am ready to pony up the money for a new copy for myself, but recommend this book highly.
Anyway, for what it’s worth….
Highlander
My first thought was maybe this is why Petraeus collapsed, when, a couple weeks ago; during the congressional rump roast. He knew it was coming.
doug, thanks for finding the boiler info –ain’t it nutz –first the huge 20 year IPCC long-con set-up –which then gets BLOWN to HIGH heaven –and and the smoke clears and my god, the Green Godzilla is still coming!
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& oops, forgot piece de reisitance of #274:
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=15592
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agree with Subotai and others that no article in Rolling Stone should occasion what we saw happen the last two days –it’s all out of proportion –yet, we accept it –truth is, we’re being conditioned –
Louisianians are now deliriously happy to win a small temporary judicial victory over one layer of the fifty layers of ruin suddenly enveloping them like an invasion from outer space.
There is a historical parallel, if you’ll forgive my invoking a certain Deutscher Oberster Kommandant…
When the NAZI assault on Stalingrad had been thoroughly blunted and the Red Armies were within hours of capturing the remaining 270 thousand troops commanded by Friedrich Wilhelm Ernst Paulus, Hitler by radio from his hidey-hole promoted him to the rank of Generalfeldmarschall. (At the same time, he promoted a bunch of his doomed troops, thinking this would steel their will to continue resisting to the last man… What a GENIUS!)
Hitler did not want to allow Stalin the satisfaction of parading a captured German commanding general. He assumed that Paulus would show his gratitude for the promotion and avoid embarrassing his precious Führer und
Reichskanzler, by choosing suicide rather than capture.
Paulus had watched his troops do their duty to the end, despite Hitler’s willingness to sacrifice them needlessly rather than allow any sort of withdrawal to more defensible ground. Contemptuous of the man he called “a Bohemian corporal,” and true to his Roman Catholic faith, he refused suicide, and told his troops not to deliberately expose themselves to death from Russian snipers.
Mind you, that’s not meant as an admiration of a NAZI; it’s meant as an example of the manifold stupidity of a Tyrant, willing to waste the blood of his nation to glorify his own purposes.
Gotta wonder how long McChrystal’s replacement will put up with watching a gutless puke of a CinC deliberately piss away the lives of good men and the treasure of a once-great nation before he walks away in disgust.
How long before Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn get to see millions of their countryfolk gathered by truckloads into the concentration camps Ayers has said he hopes to have built for them?
Has this really become a nation of lambs?
McChrystal’s comment “undermines the civilian control of the military that is at the core of our democratic system.”
‘Scuse me, what? I know that in my time in the military I and my fellow swabbies didn’t hold our political masters in deferential awe. Or if we did it was an awe of unusually scatological overtones. Not that we went around spreading fertilizer about the command structure and the idiocies they spawned among those not among our own band of brothers.
I further recall that even in the Great Patriotic War against Germany and Japan the grunts didn’t pop out of their bedrolls exhorting each other to love and honor the glorious leader Roosevelt, or Patton, or Nimitz, or any of the brass. We’re Americans, damn it, not a pack of mass brainwashed commie heads. The American fighting man has, as I read it (I stand to be corrected), always known of the weaknesses and foibles of their superiors and freely groused about them. Morale has to be REALLY bad for soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines *not* to bitch about the parentage, intelligence and competence of the brass and the civilian leadership. It didn’t mean, and doesn’t mean now, that mutiny is in the air, nor that orders won’t be obeyed to the best of ability nor that individuals or units are on the point of defecting to the enemy.
What unutterable bull$h1t.
As this keeps getting worse and worse, I remember back a week or 10 days ago to General Petraeus fainting during a hearing.
It was dehydration, right?
slightly o/t
Bureaucracies live forever.
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/categories/28-The-Culture,-Culture,-Pop-Culture-and-Recreation
It was a partially digested SitRep.
Indications are that Issue Reflux is the basic malaise.
this is painful, but it points to the west’s *fundamental* faith-hope-charity shortfall, which is opening humanity to a less-free political system, to whatever extent freedom is not properly handling responsibility. Chinese authoritarianism accompanying Chinese investment and assisted hands-on projects across the African continent could almost be seen as a biological system order response to the western companies with the oil properties in Nigeria. i know that’s far too sweeping a statement and an unfair sentiment, but that’s the point –it moves product, and will so long as it can.
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=15592
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Within days of the Ibeno spill, thousands of barrels of oil were spilled when the nearby Shell Trans Niger pipeline was attacked by rebels. A few days after that, a large oil slick was found floating on Lake Adibawa in Bayelsa state and another in Ogoniland. “We are faced with incessant oil spills from rusty pipes, some of which are 40 years old,” said Bonny Otavie, a Bayelsa MP.
This point was backed by Williams Mkpa, a community leader in Ibeno: “Oil companies do not value our life; they want us to all die. In the past two years, we have experienced 10 oil spills and fishermen can no longer sustain their families. It is not tolerable.”
With 606 oilfields, the Niger delta supplies 40% of all the crude the United States imports and is the world capital of oil pollution. Life expectancy in its rural communities, half of which have no access to clean water, has fallen to little more than 40 years over the past two generations. Locals blame the oil that pollutes their land and can scarcely believe the contrast with the steps taken by BP and the US government to try to stop the Gulf oil leak and to protect the Louisiana shoreline from pollution.
“If this Gulf accident had happened in Nigeria, neither the government nor the company would have paid much attention,” said the writer Ben Ikari, a member of the Ogoni people. “This kind of spill happens all the time in the delta.”
“The oil companies just ignore it. The lawmakers do not care and people must live with pollution daily. The situation is now worse than it was 30 years ago. Nothing is changing. When I see the efforts that are being made in the US I feel a great sense of sadness at the double standards. What they do in the US or in Europe is very different.”
“We see frantic efforts being made to stop the spill in the US,” said Nnimo Bassey, Nigerian head of Friends of the Earth International. “But in Nigeria, oil companies largely ignore their spills, cover them up and destroy people’s livelihood and environments. The Gulf spill can be seen as a metaphor for what is happening daily in the oilfields of Nigeria and other parts of Africa.
“This has gone on for 50 years in Nigeria. People depend completely on the environment for their drinking water and farming and fishing. They are amazed that the president of the US can be making speeches daily, because in Nigeria people there would not hear a whimper,” he said.
It is impossible to know how much oil is spilled in the Niger delta each year because the companies and the government keep that secret. However, two major independent investigations over the past four years suggest that as much is spilled at sea, in the swamps and on land every year as has been lost in the Gulf of Mexico so far.
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yeh –i kno this info is compromised by being from a lefty site –so is this thoughtful melancholic by Naomi Klein –but we conservatives have got to focus away from the pinko train behind the left’s new April 20 locomotive –there IS room to fix some things together, in the old way.
For another example, Iran’s oil minister has offered help in the BP spill –so far as i can tell, we are just laughing at the idea. heck, why not take ‘em up on it? What if that would start something –good? Like, no war with the mullahs? wow, talk about pack ‘em into the pews on Sundays, if the GOMspill is da Big Guy intervening to stop nookooler armageddon –and we kiss it off for a cheap laff at the idea of Iran helping solve the BP spill ? ha haha –cosmic !
The Nigerian headache is due to ethnic/ tribal issues over the oil windfall.
Attempts to repair various wounds have resulted in kidnapped crews, time and again.
The kidnappings are a semi-effective way for the Ibo IIRC to ‘tax’ Shell and others.
European structured national boundaries are the root of the troubles. The colonialist mindset put three tomcats in a bag and then kicked it.
hmm Buddy, Mr x
as far Mistral is concerned, there isn’t a definitive agreement, because Russia also wants a transer of tehnologies, that doest come into the option.
Putin: «Nous savons fabriquer ce type de bateau, une coque nue n’a pas d’intérêt pour nous, nous voulons de la technologie», indiquait-on vendredi dans son entourage, sans exclure les systèmes d’armements, «si les experts considèrent que cela est nécessaire». Des discussions techniques sont actuellement en cours dans le cadre de ce que les militaires appellent l’«établissement des besoins». Paris rechigne toutefois à ces exigences qui, si elles étaient maintenues par Moscou, contreviendraient aux déclarations de Nicolas Sarkozy, qui a promis, en mars dernier, que la vente des navires se ferait «sans équipement militaire»
Putin: “We know how to make this type of boat, a bareboat basis has no interest for us, we want technology, indicated on Friday by his entourage, without excluding weapons systems,” if experts consider it is necessary. ” Technical discussions are currently underway in the framework of what the military calls the “state of needs. Paris, however, is reluctant to these requirements which, if maintained by Moscow, would contravene the statements of Nicolas Sarkozy, who promised in March that the sale of ships would be “without military equipment”
http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2010/06/11/01003-20100611ARTFIG00712-mistral-poutine-maintient-la-pression-sur-la-france.php
funny this Brit Mail article of 2007
In six years, the occupation has wrought one massive transformation in Afghanistan, a development so huge that it has increased Afghan GDP by 66 per cent and constitutes 40 per cent of the entire economy. That is a startling achievement, by any standards. Yet we are not trumpeting it. Why not?
The answer is this. The achievement is the highest harvests of opium the world has ever seen.
The Taliban had reduced the opium crop to precisely nil. I would not advocate their methods for doing this, which involved lopping bits, often vital bits, off people. The Taliban were a bunch of mad and deeply unpleasant religious fanatics. But one of the things they were vehemently against was opium.
That is an inconvenient truth that our spin has managed to obscure. Nobody has denied the sincerity of the Taliban’s crazy religious zeal, and they were as unlikely to sell you heroin as a bottle of Johnnie Walker.
They stamped out the opium trade, and impoverished and drove out the drug warlords whose warring and rapacity had ruined what was left of the country after the Soviet war.
That is about the only good thing you can say about the Taliban; there are plenty of very bad things to say about them. But their suppression of the opium trade and the drug barons is undeniable fact.
Now we are occupying the country, that has changed. According to the United Nations, 2006 was the biggest opium harvest in history, smashing the previous record by 60 per cent. This year will be even bigger.
Our economic achievement in Afghanistan goes well beyond the simple production of raw opium. In fact Afghanistan no longer exports much raw opium at all. It has succeeded in what our international aid efforts urge every developing country to do. Afghanistan has gone into manufacturing and ‘value-added’ operations.
It now exports not opium, but heroin. Opium is converted into heroin on an industrial scale, not in kitchens but in factories. Millions of gallons of the chemicals needed for this process are shipped into Afghanistan by tanker. The tankers and bulk opium lorries on the way to the factories share the roads, improved by American aid, with Nato troops.
How can this have happened, and on this scale? The answer is simple. The four largest players in the heroin business are all senior members of the Afghan government ? the government that our soldiers are fighting and dying to protect.
When we attacked Afghanistan, America bombed from the air while the CIA paid, armed and equipped the dispirited warlord drug barons ? especially those grouped in the Northern Alliance ? to do the ground occupation. We bombed the Taliban and their allies into submission, while the warlords moved in to claim the spoils. Then we made them ministers.
President Karzai is a good man. He has never had an opponent killed, which may not sound like much but is highly unusual in this region and possibly unique in an Afghan leader. But nobody really believes he is running the country. He asked America to stop its recent bombing campaign in the south because it was leading to an increase in support for the Taliban. The United States simply ignored him. Above all, he has no control at all over the warlords among his ministers and governors, each of whom runs his own kingdom and whose primary concern is self-enrichment through heroin.
My knowledge of all this comes from my time as British Ambassador in neighbouring Uzbekistan from 2002 until 2004. I stood at the Friendship Bridge at Termez in 2003 and watched the Jeeps with blacked-out windows bringing the heroin through from Afghanistan, en route to Europe.
I watched the tankers of chemicals roaring into Afghanistan.
Yet I could not persuade my country to do anything about it. Alexander Litvinenko ? the former agent of the KGB, now the FSB, who died in London last November after being poisoned with polonium 210 ? had suffered the same frustration over the same topic.
There are a number of theories as to why Litvinenko had to flee Russia. The most popular blames his support for the theory that FSB agents planted bombs in Russian apartment blocks to stir up anti-Chechen feeling.
But the truth is that his discoveries about the heroin trade were what put his life in danger. Litvinenko was working for the KGB in St Petersburg in 2001 and 2002. He became concerned at the vast amounts of heroin coming from Afghanistan, in particular from the fiefdom of the (now) Head of the Afghan armed forces, General Abdul Rashid Dostum, in north and east Afghanistan.
Dostum is an Uzbek, and the heroin passes over the Friendship Bridge from Afghanistan to Uzbekistan, where it is taken over by President Islam Karimov’s people. It is then shipped up the railway line, in bales of cotton, to St Petersburg and Riga.
The heroin Jeeps run from General Dostum to President Karimov. The UK, United States and Germany have all invested large sums in donating the most sophisticated detection and screening equipment to the Uzbek customs centre at Termez to stop the heroin coming through.
But the convoys of Jeeps running between Dostum and Karimov are simply waved around the side of the facility.
Litvinenko uncovered the St Petersburg end and was stunned by the involvement of the city authorities, local police and security services at the most senior levels. He reported in detail to President Vladimir Putin. Putin is, of course, from St Petersburg, and the people Litvinenko named were among Putin’s closest political allies. That is why Litvinenko, having miscalculated badly, had to flee Russia.
I had as little luck as Litvinenko in trying to get official action against this heroin trade. At the St Petersburg end he found those involved had the top protection. In Afghanistan, General Dostum is vital to Karzai’s coalition, and to the West’s pretence of a stable, democratic government.
Opium is produced all over Afghanistan, but especially in the north and north-east ? Dostum’s territory. Again, our Government’s spin doctors have tried hard to obscure this fact and make out that the bulk of the heroin is produced in the tiny areas of the south under Taliban control. But these are the most desolate, infertile rocky areas. It is a physical impossibility to produce the bulk of the vast opium harvest there.
That General Dostum is head of the Afghan armed forces and Deputy Minister of Defence is in itself a symbol of the bankruptcy of our policy. Dostum is known for tying opponents to tank tracks and running them over. He crammed prisoners into metal containers in the searing sun, causing scores to die of heat and thirst.
Since we brought ‘democracy’ to Afghanistan, Dostum ordered an MP who annoyed him to be pinned down while he attacked him. The sad thing is that Dostum is probably not the worst of those comprising the Karzai government, or the biggest drug smuggler among them.
Our Afghan policy is still victim to Tony Blair’s simplistic world view and his childish division of all conflicts into ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’. The truth is that there are seldom any good guys among those vying for power in a country such as Afghanistan. To characterise the Karzai government as good guys is sheer nonsense.
Why then do we continue to send our soldiers to die in Afghanistan? Our presence in Afghanistan and Iraq is the greatest recruiting sergeant for Islamic militants. As the great diplomat, soldier and adventurer Lieutenant-Colonel Sir Alexander Burnes pointed out before his death in the First Afghan War in 1841, there is no point in a military campaign in Afghanistan as every time you beat them, you just swell their numbers. Our only real achievement to date is falling street prices for heroin in London.
Remember this article next time you hear a politician calling for more troops to go into Afghanistan. And when you hear of another brave British life wasted there, remember you can add to the casualty figures all the young lives ruined, made miserable or ended by heroin in the UK.
They, too,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-469983/Britain-protecting-biggest-heroin-crop-time.html#ixzz0riwpBFTJ
MC, do you believe that the Taliban were ever *really* suppressing the drug trade? They’re not now –and that’s for sure, unless you can believe that tens of thousands of NATO witnesses are being fooled or co-opted. So, either the original story was always a plant, or the Taliban have had a major change of heart. If the former, which seems most likely, then who was the planted story meant to fool, and why, one wonders.
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Blert/286; i get that part –what i was trying to get at was –how long going forward will it be until some power exploits the instability in their favor? For pointed example,look at how long the messy Tamil Tiger rebellion went, years after year, until one day the PLA decided to get involved, and in a year it was over and done, even the losing side can now get back to normal life. PLA lined up on the gov’t side, armed the forces to the teeth, and drove it to conclusion. The west, and the democracies, had been for years giving the war the Pali/Israel treatment, humanitarian aid for everybody, lots of tsk tsking. Upshot, war forever.
Too facile a thumbnail treatment?
Teresita (#209): “Obama is looking for a war czar? The irony.”
The irony is that historically, leaders like him make the rise of Czars more likely.
Rosinante (#210):
Regarding your Biblical 600,000 figure, keep in mind the concept of defeat in detail. That would require the civilian leadership granting one some time, though.
“a CSI type thingie were instaed of arresting some one, the JDAM them.”
Hey, that sounds like a winning formula for a TV show!
Mr X (#258):
For the sake of completeness, I’ll note that India has some interest in Afghanistan. (Some articles on the subject can be found; I have nothing to contribute myself.)
Tcobb (#263):
All you care about is guns! If everybody in the world had a poppy instead of a gun…
Dave and Buddy, can I join your comedy team? Here’s my audition:
Doctor tells a guy: “I have bad news. You have cancer, and you have Alzheimer’s.” Guy sits down in shock, and eventually says: “Well, it could be worse.” Doc says: “Could be worse? How?” Guy answers: “I could have cancer.”
Based on all of the foregoing and other evidence I will not adduce here, I am so done with A-stan. They do not deserve a drop of American blood. Bring them home now. The strategic solution is: opium warlords doing their usual business, fine, it’s a poor excuse for an economy but it’s theirs. And fundamentalist terrorism? If restricted to their domestic market, again, no problem, it will drive their system to figure out what they truly want and can afford under local constraints. if not so restricted, i.e. it comes back over here, then (a) deliver demo nuke of some hapless mountain to show we can and we will vaporize them if they try to impose their quarrels on our people; and (b) if (a) is not persuasive, then use a good chunk of our older inventory to produce a fat cross-section of neutrons and consequent gamma radiation. TFB.
Buddy, at least this Brit journalist believes it, uh since english speaking papers are relevant, I don’t see why he would lie more than the others, thanks God it wasn’t written by any French though!
Buddy Larsen @289: sounds right to me. The worst case is where both sides in a fight are propped up half-heartedly by outside sponsors. The original dimensions of the conflict are lost (there is a “natural justice” in letting the adversaries, unassisted, fight it out; and letting the stronger prevail). Instead there is some arbitrary “balance” based on exogenous calculations of interest that don’t pertain to the original dispute, but to some derivative of the dispute, to some opportunists who use this dispute to work as a proxy for their own dispute. If that second-order dispute produces equilibrium, it (a) does not reflect any consensus among those fighting on the ground and those whom they victimize; and (b) does produce a prolongation, irrational and cruel, of the original fight for unrelated agendas. My vote? Shut it down.
264. Doug
Congress should also be required to prune existing regulations prior to giving birth to more of same. The net effect would have to REDUCE the total volume of Federal Bilge.
I’ve suggested elsewhere a Constitutional amendment that would require Congress to repeal two laws for each new one they pass.
Carly Fiorina: a good step 1 is cheap and easy: every gov’t spending unit keeps the cash journal on the web.
MC, i think you and the author of the article missed the most interesting part of what he wrote. it is a fascinating geopolitical blind spot, that.
Back to BP (as nearly as I can tell, this hasn’t been posted earlier; apologies if it has): according to Tyler Durden, “Guest Post: Obama Administration Knew About Deepwater Horizon 35,000 Feet Well Bore, Green-Lighted And Fast-Tracked Project”:
According to the Wayne Madsen Report (WMR) sources within the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the Pentagon and Interior and Energy Departments told the Obama Administration that the newly-discovered estimated 3-4 billion barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico would cover America’s oil needs for up to eight months if there was a military attack on Iran that resulted in the bottling up of the Strait of Hormuz to oil tanker traffic, resulting in a cut-off of oil to the United States from the Persian Gulf.
Obama, Salazar, Chu, and Gates green-lighted the risky Macondo drilling operation from the outset, according to WMR’s government sources.
WMR learned that BP was able to have several safety checks waived because of the high-level interest by the White House and Pentagon in tapping the Gulf of Mexico bonanza find in order to plan a military attack on Iran without having to be concerned about an oil and natural gas shortage from the Persian Gulf after an outbreak of hostilities with Iran.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-obama-administration-knew-about-deepwater-horizon-35000-feet-well-bore
#297. PA Cat
Perhaps, but I doubt it. The very idea that the Obama administration would attack anybody bends off into the Twilight Zone. If safety checks were waived I suspect it was payback for political contributions and military considerations had absolutely nothing to do with it. But it is a good cover story.
Fake and inaccurate.
Dear PA Cat,
Your #297 refers to a leaked story that, coming at this late date, reeks of fabrication. More likely planted than leaked.
Please!?! A Secret Plan to prepare for contingencies in case we attack Iran??????From the president who soiled his diapers for two weeks while a handful of teenage pirates terrorized a major U.S. commercial vessel and its crew? You seriously expect me to believe that piece of limp pork fat has been secretly seeking ways to ATTACK Iran while publicly licking at the hands of Achmadinejad like some whimpering puppy?????
Sorry, but if he actually believes his assertion, Mr. Wayne Madsen – who guest-posted that piece at ZeroHedge.com – has his cranium wedged in an unlikely orifice. Because, in any case, the U.S. has PLENTY of oil in much more easily accessible locations. The problem is NOT that we lack oil.
The problem is that we have allowed the doctrinaire anti-capitalist, and certifiably insane eco-fanatics to hobble our country’s entire oil industry.
The United States government (federal nor state) have not licensed the construction of a new refinery in the continental U.S. since 1976. Okay, that doesn’t mean previously existing facilities have not been modernized or enlarged. But the fact remains that we do not have enough refining capacity to manufacture the gasoline we use – we have to import REFINED GASOLINE because we do NOT have the refining capacity to supply domestic demand.
Look, even if we suddenly find a miraculous way to convert every single vehicle on the roads to full-electric, and a break-through in photovoltaic cell manufacturing technology allows us to make every single home fully able to use sunlight to heat and cool itself… How do we make the hundreds of millions of tires for all the vehicles we drive?
What are the raw materials for fertilizers to grow the corn to make into ethanol?
What are the raw materials for the fibers we wear- Nylon, Orlon, Aramid, Kevlar, Acrylic wools,
Hmmmm… What sticky dark substance do we get from the ground that provides raw materials for lubricants, waxes, pharmaceuticals, food wrappings, packaging, mylar films, drinks bottles, bin liners, Naugahyde fabrics, Formica surfaces – polyvinyl chloride, melamines, phenolic resins, polyethylene, polystyrene, butyl rubber, polycarbonate shatterproof windows????
Think about all the products that are made from petroleum – that is, from high-molecular-weight long-chain polymers.
Truck & auto tyres & hoses
electrical wire insulation
pill bottles, water bottles, cookware, teflon coatings
refrigerators & freezers, coolers, ice chests
computer parts
padded dashboards
inflating safety airbags
breathable cold-weather fabrics
syringes, laboratory flasks, thermometers, blood pressure cuffs
protective gloves
firefighter protective gear
aircraft parts
gears that don’t need lubricating
non-conductive posts for electric fences
Insulated doors & windows for homes
teething rings, absorbent diapers, cribs, strollers
nursing bottles & nipples
replacement parts for human hearts
Osmotic filter material for artificial kidneys and salt water desalinization
combs, hair brushes, tooth brushes, doggie chew toys
Try to imagine what our world would be like if we had to make all those things by carving tortoise shells and elephant tusk ivory again.
Cripple the oil industry, and there’s a lot more that will have to change than just cutting down on your discretionary jaunts to the movie theater and burger drive-through.
Ah Wayne Mad-sen. What do you expect from (to quote Mike Myers in So I Married an Axe Murderer) a Lyndon HitLaRouchie? At lease David Goldman stopped drinking the koolaid a while ago.
And as for Buddy’s hint about taking Nigeria, Saudia Arabia…why in the world would Russia want em’? There isn’t enough oil in Siberia? And if they want Alaska back like Zhirinovsky joked about a few years ago, when are they gonna build that Bering bridge?
I certainly did not say a smaller Russian military would be less effective. Quite the contrary. I just meant the present numbers and strength are not awe inspiring.
yeh –the story makes no sense –we have the strategic reserve, and it’d take far past the Iran nuke window to get Macondo producing properly anyway, and the slipshod procedures of April 20 have nothing to do with the sort of waivers that might be granted. You can’t grant a waiver against slipping on a banana peel (esp if the grantee wanted to slip and draw disability). Madsen is being victimized by his lack of tech grasp, and by a story probly planted to build a “conspiracy-theory nuts try to link Admin to sabotage” meme.
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the pricing power, mr X, the pricing power safe behind the rocket forces, a redoubt from which even the chinese will have to cooperate as far as the eye can see. At last, proof against a fifteenth (or so) Moscow burning from attack across the 360 degree sea of land.
Buddy – I have no idea how Madsen supports himself or where the LaRouchies get their money, besides the contributions of working cult members. Old Lyndon like Maharesh Yogi probably has plenty of real estate bought with the contributions of people wanting a new Bretton Woods/new FDR everything. Hell, Obama bungling NASA ensured that a LaRouch candidate won the Democratic primary in NASA’s district, since the LaRouchies want to go to Mars and actually build infrastructure. Those two things are good but their idea of financing it by just having the Fed print $5 trillion or so seems likely to create inflation.
All the LaRouchies I see tend to be semi-employed or out of work college kids.
Fiddler (#299):
You’re quite right, but I do object to you calling Obama a “piece of limp pork fat”. Do try to have some sensitivity for the man’s religious beliefs.
Incidentally, the incredible usefulness of petroleum is why I support switching to nuclear etc energy; it’s a shame to literally burn such a useful product if we have viable alternatives.
Mr X, buddy:
Russia indeed has no need to capture foreign oil fields. It wouldn’t mind, though, if it just so happened that certain developments led to increased tension in those areas, obviously causing an increase in oil prices.
Mr X (#302): “their idea of financing it by just having the Fed print $5 trillion or so seems likely to create inflation”
Indeed. But if we’re applying Helicopter Economics anyway…
Bob, MrX, i have a feeling we are inflation proof for the nonce. M3 is collapsing all over the west and Japan at about 5%/yr rate, for a year or two now. This is d*e*f*l*a*t*i*o*n. AKA “economic shrinkage” –debt is especially bad, as it gets paid in dearer dollars. Notice how people keep talking about the lack of credit? Lot of it is lack of demand, as the sensory vibe of deflation wafts through the land. Some soveriegns are not gonna make it, likely. But remember, re Argentine and Russian debt defaults, the ”haircut” was used –bonds don’t get erased, the coupons get clipped –in half probably. Small savers get the wipe if they’re in bonds or financial markets, bigger holders get the haircut, but the stubble is more valuable than it was as more of less.
Fox was carrying a story, a young black lady from SE Texas i think, a Larouche backer, who won her primary –as a DEM! she wants Obama impeached, and the UN run outta the USA.
Marie Claude: Taliban; Al Qaeda et al were concerned that an oversupply of opiates would depress the price of opium-based drugs. So they paid top dollar for a bumper crop one year and secreted the supply in certain safe havens.
Then they leaked the supply a little at a time to the usaual suspects. While they were doing that, they ordered the farmers not to produce any more opium. Once the cache was exhausted the terrorists once again ordered a maximum crop.
All of which has been SOP for quite some time both in Afghanistan and in VN.
And of course in both places those whom the media said were really responsible were those that were on our side. Our enemies were really clean and trying to get people away from drugs etc etc etc.
And as I have said repeatedly here on BC and elsewhere: Solution is to buy the opium and convert it to petroleum. Yield is almost three barrels per acre. I understand that to be using only the opium buds and without microbe enhancement, which enables use of the entire plant for conversion.
The necessary polydethermalization units are known and Seabees and Engineers know how to make copies explicitly designed with primitive conditions in mind. Secret to success will be making the units run on electrical power generated without using petroleum itself. Not difficult.
Once the program is up and running, see if a variety of rapeseed can be made to grow on that terrain as it is the one crop whose oil yield is superior to opium. If so, farmers will be happy to grow it instead.
Sell the resultant fuel to the locals with the cash proceeds going to other agricultural/animal husbandry projects in the area.
Oh me, oh my. When will the powers that be manage to extract their fifth point of contact from their third point of contact.
Buddy about that M3 decline and resultant deflation. A little while back one lone genius was predicting just that while everybody else assumed inflation.
Modesty forbids my mentioning whom that genius might be.
dave, yes, i remember –but i had already predicted that you would predict that. i forgot to mention same, but i did make a note of it, i have it right here, or will in a minute or two.
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dave, three barrels per acre as an oil sub would make an acre cash-yld of $225 at today’s oil price. Dunno what the poppies-for-heroin cash yld per acre in dollars to the farmer is, but i bet it’s ten times that $225 at the least –
BL…
The astonishing thing is how little of that value gets to the grower.
EVERY YEAR the planter comes up short…
And gives over his 3-year old daughter to the wholesaler.
Breaking the wholesaler’s contractual leverage ought to be pursued.
IF such were possible…
Then everything might be possible.
It almost reminds me of the old ‘Untouchables.’ In episode upon episode the Untouchables discover that they can’t stop ordinary citizens from being compromised by the drug lords.
To a disturbing degree, it’s the Al Capone logic that we fight. This is NOT such a war of belief as a war of $$$$$$$$$$.
At one time I had data on how much Afghan farmers were paid for opium compared to wheat. Significant difference. However, farmer did not come anywhere close to
getting heroin price. Could have paid them top price for the opium and (as I recall) not had more than $20 bucks a barrel total operating costs.
However, even if my calculations were way off and things ran at a loss, we the taxpayers foot the bill for cost of capital and the boys on the ground get some change. Our portion will almost assuredly be less than trying to eradicate the crop.
Like the old Sutler’s Store, profits went to the Sutler but the easing of costs went to the taxpayer.
with which to conduct civic action ops.
well, if we hired drug lords to design the system –the a to z of it on both sides of the law, vertically and horizontally –what they’d come up with would have to be just about exactly what we got. think about it –what would they change?
like blert blerted, a war of $$$$$$$$$$. cut that off and see what happens, thats the phase one. as it is phase one for taming DC –stop the money, then wait and see. nobody knows if the dire predictions are true, or if the precise opposites are true. Social laboratories are part of governance, let fifty approaches bloom and wait and see. that’s the only way to find the truth –can’t find it brainstorming and hoping for an Edison bulb to manifest in a toon bubble if and when the right idea comes along.
buddy @310 “as it is phase one for taming DC –stop the money, then wait and see”
Been there, done that. “Starve the beast”, David Stockman, Howard Jarvis – it was a great idea – in 1978.
We did not anticipate the Great Compromise of 1986: GOP gets tax cuts, Democrats get to print and borrow as much as they want.
Decisions are made (ultimately) by elected officials. The electorate will not tolerate real spending cuts, as has been proven over and over, in New Zealand first, then in the UK, decisively in the US in 1996-98.
We are screwed.
#123 We see we are governed now by monsters.
Precisely. I wish more people had your understanding. I have written on this subject. These monsters have an agenda and the ideas that animate them have a pedigree. They are Killers Without Conscience, and there is only one way this can end.
The only LaRouchian idea I like is to build the 50 mile bridge from Alaska to Chuhotka so Sarah Palin really will be able to see Russia from her house. It would only take 20 to 25 years, employ directly 10k and indirectly 30k people, boost global demand for steel and concrete, and cost maybe (even with the Sochi style cost overruns into private hands on the Russian side) $60 billion. Chump change compared to bank bailouts and long term economic return from having real Eurasia energy and cargo trade by rail with the Americas (eventually one could complete the last leg of the Pan-American highway and railway so Patagonia to Siberia). The only objections I see besides cost is fear of a Red Dawn scenario with the Chinese hordes coming across but a single MOAB would blow the span so not really a big deal.
http://powip.com/2010/06/big-oil-maneuvering-and-vestiture/
Puh-leeze don’t miss this one (ht instapundit) –unified domestic field theory, or, say, “ObamaZonaBlowOut”
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WD/312; –i wish you were but am afraid you’re NOT hallucinating –there are internal drivers to these things. hell, this is the 20th century Murder, Inc. –*how* it works.
An idea, no boundaries, the power to drive to the end of the logic. It’s inevitable actually, if not stopped by some gross barrier.
Read a nyquist true-blue Jeremiad, The Oracle (here’s a snip):
According to Edmund Burke: “Nothing is more certain, than that our manners, our civilization, and all the good things which are connected with manners and with civilization, have, in this European world of ours, depended for ages upon two principles; and were indeed the result of both combined; I mean the spirit of a gentleman, and the spirit of religion.”
Since Burke’s time, modern intellectuals have overthrown the spirit of a gentleman and the spirit of religion. Every structure, every religious precept, every honored tradition, came under intellectual attack. God and country were targeted. Religion and patriotism were targeted. The main surviving ideals of our day are those of leveling, equalizing and taxing into penury. Envy is the Holy Grail of our intelligentsia, and the annihilation of all values is their ultimate end.
“What I relate is the history of the next two centuries,” wrote Nietzsche in The Will to Power. “I describe what is coming, what can no longer come differently: the advent of Nihilism. This history can be related even now; for necessity itself is at work here.” Nietzsche knew what was coming because he understood the radical intellectuals of his day. Nietzsche called them “the tarantulas,” the “secret revengeful ones,” envious preachers of equality whose ambition is tyranny. Nietzsche even foresaw the day when Marxist professors would advance his writings for the sake of their own malignant cause. “There are those who preach my doctrine of life,” Nietzsche explained, “and are at the same time preachers of equality, and tarantulas.” Do not be fooled by them, he warned. They preach life in order to harm life.
The madness of the tarantulas permeates the broad world, with nihilist Russia as their goad. The death of 100 million in the 20th century was merely a foretaste. The call of envy assures that the noblest are slandered, that the greatest are demeaned, and the prosperous brought to ruin. America is in the crosshairs of this grand metaphysic. The world sinks into socialism because nobody knows the secret of defending what socialism was devised to annihilate. We’ve come to think that economics will save us. We know how to make money, after all. As long as the shopping mall regime continues, who cares about the rest? But our economic principles, warned Burke, developed under the protection of aristocratic and religious ideals. Economic science will not survive the decline of aristocracy and religion. “With you,” warned Burke, “they all threaten to disappear together. Where trade and manufactures are wanting to a people, and the spirit of nobility and religion remains, sentiment supplies, and not always ill supplies, their place; but if commerce and the arts should be lost in an experiment to try how well a state may stand without these old fundamental principles, what sort of a thing must be a nation of gross, stupid, ferocious, and, at the same time, poor and sordid, barbarians, destitute of religion, honour, or manly pride, possessing nothing at present, and hoping nothing hereafter?”
We can, like Dostoevsky and Nietzsche, see “what sort of a thing” is coming. We need only consult the same oracle they did.
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(read the beginning and the conclusion, at the link)
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mr X/313, –by the time the bridge is finished, the hungry hordes with club and torch may rush the span not from east to west but west to east –