At the 1:41 mark, the members of Congress are reminded to comport themselves accordingly.
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Of course that only increased the drama of the moment, which Boehner used to the hilt by requesting that the members vote according to a call of the roll. Who voted for what is recorded here anyway.
| Ayes | Noes | PRES | NV | |
| Democratic | 219 | 34 | ||
| Republican | 178 | |||
| Independent | ||||
| TOTALS | 219 | 212 |
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At this point the dignity of the House would be matched by wheeling in a piano player wearing a straw hat and covering the walls with red velvet. The conduct of the Democrats has been so shameful and destructive of the basic fabric that any legal structure depends on as to weaken the entire fabric that Constitutional government relies upon. I expect the volume of tax receipts to crater for three reasons. First because the real economic activity will shrink. Second an increasing percentage of activity will be conducted inefficiently off the books. Third people will refuse to voluntarily send their money to Turbo-Tax Timmy.
Lewis of Georgia did well in speaking up for the retiring Republican and shaking his hand though.
I remember the dignity of the house.
Before the Clintons came to Washington, mostly.
Soon enough, we will have been a thoroughly ‘pussified’ nation of teat sucking, lazy, spoiled brats.
Our Military applicants will dwindle as people decide, “Why should I fight for this commie hell-hole?”.
The decline of America makes me sad in my heart, sick to my stomach and frightened to my core.
When the wonderful country that all other countries can only WISH to emulate starts trying to emulate countries that are going BANKRUPT by their socialist policies, we have, as a proud nation, as a proud people, as a people where others strive hard to immigrate to, become officially insane.
The bats are full-on flappin’ in our Statue of Liberty’s belfry.
The race-baiting Leftists will drain the blood of ‘evil whitey’ and any other ‘middle-class’ dry in their foot stomping ‘sincerity’ to ‘equalize’ the part of ‘society’ that already doesn’t pay for their ‘health care’.
Third world medical care and physicians here we come and if you’re white, get thee to the back of the bus.
I just wonder… Where will the ‘elites’ go when America’s best and brightest physicians leave? There is no other AMERICA to turn to for advanced health care and intelligent physicians. The idea, the VERY IDEA of a physician becoming a GOVERNMENT worker chills me to the bone.
Thanks, Commies.
In John Boehner’s speech tonight the dignity of the House took its last bow. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a civilization gone with the wind.
Dont give up the fight! Elect conservatives and throw all of the bums out. Repeal, repeal, repeal, then impeach, impeach impeach.
SIGINTEL #5: “Don’t give up the fight! Elect conservatives and throw all of the bums out. Repeal, repeal, repeal, then impeach, impeach impeach.”
It’s a nice thought, but I think you’re dreaming. Let’s face it, we’re screwed.
It just makes me ill. And the local United Methodist Church that I loved just got their last dollar from me. The corporate position of the United Methodist Church is support for the Health Care bill, including the ‘public option’ which will pay for abortion. If that info gets around, it may not be only my measly bucks. But who knows? It’s a big umbrella. Their general secretary cited John 10:10. I’m a devoted fan of the current Roman Catholic Pope. There are alternatives. But I confess, I’m heartsick.
Right now I’m sick unto my stomach. We had too close a glimpse at the sausage making. Deals and threats, threats and deals. I tell myself it isn’t over, I tell myself there is still a chance to stay the country from going down the road to serfdom, to borrow a phrase, to stay the country from going down that long socialist road that leads to the long sleep of death. It took Rome a long time to die; our death will be cleaner, for the barbarians are not at the gates, they are ruling the country. But I do not despair. To borrow another phrase, God looks after drunks, fools and the United States of America. I believe we will come through this, changed, possibly, in some ways, but not fundamentally changed, as is so ardently wished by our rulers. Maybe the pundits are right, maybe the Democrats will be severely punished in November. I hope so, but November is a long way off, and much can and will happen. I comfort myself by believing the left has just had its Austerlitz, and Waterloo is looming.
Nothing could be vainer
Than the plea by Mr. Boehner
To get the Dems to thinking
‘Bout a bill that was so stinking
That most people did reject it
But his plea, as was expected
Was rebuffed by those who heard it
And they voted as if herded
By Pelosi dressed in fancy
Clothing made for just our Nancy
Made it clear that any member
Who votes no will long remember
What it’s like to cross the party
So with cheers both loud and hearty
The Dems just destroyed the nation
Disregarding the oration
By distinguished Mr. Boehner
Their disdain could not be plainer
But the battle isn’t over
For the moment they’re in clover
But November will be here soon
They’ll be sitting in the rear soon
For no matter how they salve it
Angered people will not have it
Yes right now they’re quite the fed pigs
Pretty soon they’ll be the dead Whigs
Mark, you are hereby known as “formally the great one”.
#5 SIGINTEL
Dont give up the fight! Elect conservatives and throw all of the bums out. Repeal, repeal, repeal, then impeach, impeach impeach.
I do not advocate giving up the electoral fight, but I do not expect electoral politics to yield victory by themselves. It is one path, but I fear we are at the point where other means will be determinative. Then, repeal; most definitely. But instead of impeachment, the minimum necessary will be indictment.
As far as the dignity of the house, LOTM has a start. However you may compare our Congress and current political class with a “House of Negotiable Virtue”, you will be demeaning an honest whorehouse; where the transactions are open and aboveboard and honest value is exchanged for the customer’s own money.
In my younger days, I did all sorts of work to keep food on the table for my family. One of my second jobs was cleanup crew in a slaughterhouse. That jobsite was a paragon of purity and cleanliness compared to whatever is touched by the foul taint of the Democrats and RINO’s in DC.
Now I have to ponder how I am going to ask my doctor tomorrow if he will be in business much longer.
Subotai Bahadur
3. Delia:
Our Military applicants will dwindle as people decide, “Why should I fight for this commie hell-hole?”.
I’ve been saying for a long time that I believe that is part of the plan. Intelligent, patriotic young people will stop volunteering for the military. Eventually there will be a manpower crisis, and the government’s response will be to reinstate the draft. It will in part be a jobs program, since unemployment will remain sky-high due to socialist economic policies.
Slowly but surely, the military’s ranks will be filled with sullen, uneducated “youths”. Some of them may very well be gangbangers. They will be equipped, trained, and have the full authority of the Federal government behind them.
Then they’ll come for our guns.
I’m moving to Idaho. The Govenor’s name is Butch. Why Wretchard, are you interested in us and our insipidness?
11. rickl,
A black/hispanic militia ‘army’ to control the angry, disenfranchised ‘middle class’? Why not?
After all, why on earth would you need a ‘civilian army’ as strong as our military anyhow except for controlling the PEOPLE and not PROTECTING THEM from enemies both foreign and domestic?
The better reason still to usher in more ‘brown’ folks [read amnesty] to force/make ‘reparations’ by confiscating property of ‘whites’ who don’t have ‘skin in the game’ in order to give blacks and browns what whitey ‘stole’.
These commies in the WH think Chavez is the shiznit for a reason:
http://www.theslowbleed.com/economy/enough-ignoring-already-chavez-seizes-farms/
Glenn Beck touched on it:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543822,00.html
This isn’t just about a ‘class’ warfare any longer. This is becoming a full on ‘race’ war of what I can only describe as ‘epic proportions’ by the insidious racial preferences buried in the 0bamacare bill from hell.
I can bank on it when I say that some of the same people who cheered O.J. Simpson getting off for murdering his ex-wife are cheering for this bill’s passage.
America is being torn asunder by the race-baiting beneficiaries of stupid and gullible people who line their pockets thinking they are ‘doing good’ with their white guilt.
We are in a lot of trouble and trying to wake up the few remaining, drooling, leftist morons is appearing to be futile.
Let’s get over the idea that minorities ‘can’t’ be ‘racists’.
THEY ARE and we have one in the fricking white house.
STOP THE INSANITY.
WAKE UP
I remember the YouTube videos cropping up of students celebrating Obama’s election shortly after that terrible night. Tonight feels similar, and perhaps worse. The images of Democrats celebrating the vote reminds me of the thought I had back then, and subsequently shared with some friends…
Has there been a single time in human history when the sunset of a people’s freedom was not ushered in to sound of cheers? I cannot think of one.
But I am stirred, and I am restless, like never before. I hope this feeling remains and the fight never leaves me. I hope there are many more out there like me tonight.
Face it. There is not enough money in China, Russia, the Oil nations, South America, Africa, Europe, and the Americas COMBINED to pay for all the health care. Period.
So some will go without so that others can have more. Simple as that. Winners and losers did not magically disappear. They just got changed.
Every single White woman in America can have free, bi-annual breast cancer screening, and ovarian cancer screening, without taxes being raised. Just kick out all the illegals, and everyone who might even look illegal. Kick out the Welfare recipients. They’ll vote for it too, because the bottom line is someone has to go without. They don’t want it to be them.
There you go.
But it does not stop there. The new law also mandates your Doctor be Black or Hispanic not competent. The Dept. of Education must withhold funds to Medical schools and other institutions that do no promote Blacks and Hispanics. The only way to do this is standards so low that even the majority of Blacks (60% are Urban Core aka Ghetto) can pass. Right now according to the AMA, 4% of all doctors are Black, fitting nicely the amount of Black middle class population (5%). You can’t increase Black or Hispanic doctors without standards so low that you get … Michael Jackson’s Doctor.
Do you want the best Doctor, or the Blackest Doctor?
Next is the federal takeover of student loans in the new law. Loans go to those the Government chooses, which are Black and Hispanic. No (ordinary) White kids need apply (rich White kids don’t need loans). Basically this is the SWPL/Black/Hispanic wet dream — shut ordinary Whites out of college.
The ObamaCare Wars have just begun. Its about who wins or loses. SOMEONE will lose. SOMEONE will go without. SOMEONE is going to the back of the line and the back of the bus, standing up. Winners and losers are chosen by racial categories, based on Affirmative Action and the disdain SWPL rich yuppies, Blacks, and Hispanics have for ordinary Whites.
It will be either Whites winning, racially, as a group, or losing. There is no middle ground. No happy medium. No compromise. No soft solution. Nor can Whites abide being anything less than the dominant group, demographically. This makes Whites in the position of Israelis: having to kick out the Mexicans, who form the growing demographic threat to make them discriminated, second class citizens in their own nation.
Obama plans to win in November by instant Amnesty for about 20 million Mexicans here, and another 30 million. Through the same stuff he used on Health Care.
This just touched off the mother of all racial spoils battles. Add up the money. There’s not enough to go around. Someone has to get shorted on the cut. I agree, there is no possibility of this ever being repealed EVER. Because no entitlement EVER has been repealed. EVER.
BUT … it signals a racial spoils war. Someone will win, and someone will lose. Either Whites vote themselves first in line, exclude Mexicans by deporting the illegals, (and quite likely, all who just “might” be illegal) or they get the very dregs of health care, get excluded from education, while being expected to pick up the tab for everyone else.
Things were set in motion on September 18, 2008. I hoped that there would be some random element that may redirect the course, but so far, it is like a steamroller.
There is a possibility that Dems will let the elections go undisturbed, so the upcoming financial crash would transpire on the opposition’s watch and then they will sail in as rescuers.
Almost wish they went now a full throttle, so the mask falls off, for everybody to see, so for at least 2 generation their ideology would be thoroughly discredited.
No matter what, the damage has been done, but if they employ two-step-forward, one-step-back strategy, it may take longer for the recovery.
Long, dark times ahead. Not only for Americans.
Yes, there is always light at the end of the tunnel, even if you can’t see it now, it is there and you have to remember it.
Plan:
Hamstring the last bastion of resistance capable of defeating the communist horde. Achieve this by destroying its economy which is the heart of it’s strength. Wait a generation and the populace will be so dependent they will gladly forfeit that which their parents bequeathed them. If you want to beat the enemy, you have to think long term. Obama is one stone in a long path towards removing America from the path of communist dominance. You think Obama would ever bring back the draft? He’d sooner embrace Limbaugh and conservatism. He would delight if enrollment in the armed services fell. We’ve only 2-4 years to reverse this thing. I’m not hopeful. The only thing I’m hopeful of now is enough states rise together to convene a constitutional convention or secede so I have somewhere to live my remaining years in freedom.
Whiskey, the race centrifuge game is their stratagem and you are buying it hook, line and sinker.
The Second Coming
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
– William Butler Yeats –
Ashen,
Think laterally. The would try to undermine/destroy the economic base of the opposition (not yet resistance). But what you’ll see soon is a beginning of a parallel economy. It is inevitable.
word is that about 38 attorney generals around the country were on a conference call and decided to sue the federal government the instant the bill is signed by obama.
If you think this is a dead cat bounce remember that the Liberal Ninth Circuit Praises Limited Government with language that inclined that our rights come from God.
And tonight they broadcast the movie “300.”
Appropriate, isn’t it? They died to the last man at Thermopylae. For FREEDOM.
The new & improved banana republic (not a racial slur towards the ‘won’ btw).
Good grief.
So effing SAD that we as Americans are pitted against our own domestic enemies from within who have infiltrated every institution possible in our country in order to undermine EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
My blood is boiling.
Rush Limbaugh #9: “Mark, you are hereby known as ‘formally the great one’.”
There’s been a mistake here: I’m not THAT Mark Levin. I’m just a guy named Mark Levin who reads this blog and decided to throw in his two cents worth. I’ve never even heard the THAT Mark Levin’s program. I don’t normally comment on these things, so I didn’t think about being mistaken for “the great one”, who I’m sure is still great. I’ll come up with a moniker if I ever do this again.
#14 Urban B:
From my quick survey of the blogosphere, I think millions of others feel like you. America does not want to accept the bill, and the fight is on. People are openly talking about repeal, impeachment, secession, revolution, you name it. The Obama administration and the Congressional Dems have just royally pissed off a majority of voting Americans. If they were tarred and feather and paraded through the streets, more than half the country would stand up and cheer, and that is a very dangerous position for any politician to be in. One age of America has ended tonight, but another age is beginning. This time, we are standing up.
Twobyfour, please elaborate a little for me if you would. Explain this ” parallel economy” and how it functions.
Why would think you that resources are not going to be divided by race. How would a Black President do anything else?
There is not enough money to go around. Period. Therefore White people will have to get to the back of the line and get, basically nothing for Health Care and Education. It is in the LAW! Preferences for Blacks and Hispanics in Med School and every other health care aspect. As if the vast Black and Hispanic Underclass can furnish without drastic lowering of standards health care workers. Which means those not connected and powerful die because of hacks promoted by virtue of race.
You don’t like the fact that people cleave by race (because, in fact they do and always will). Well, sticking your fingers in your ear and shouting real loud is not going to change reality. There is NOT ENOUGH MONEY. Period. That means race-based winners and losers.
Who does AA hurt? White kids. Blacks and Hispanics with lower grades and test scores get preferential treatment, admissions, and scholarships. While White kids scrape by with whatever is left. That model now extends to health care and student loans as LAW.
I’d like a fantasy world of limited government and race-neutral policies and government NOT giving out the goodies. But that’s a fantasy like World of Warcraft or Charmed on TNT re-runs. What matters is reality. Someone is going to win, and someone is going to lose. This is painful reality.
We have what we have. Socialism FOREVER. That being said, I MUST HAVE A WINNER because being a LOSER means I die of some horrible condition/disease while resources go to winners.
Because there is not enough money. There will NEVER be enough money.
ObamaCare will NEVER EVER EVER be repealed. The BEST that can be done is be the winner. That’s all.
Women, btw, and primarily White women, make up the majority of Medical School admits and graduates now. I think close to 60%. Targeting them with the message that they will have to give up their place so a Black or Hispanic less qualified than they can have their spot is … VOTE WINNER for White Women. So too are messages about being denied breast or ovarian cancer screening and treatment to give health care to illegals or Welfare recipients. It is a formula for electoral success. Take 90% of the White vote, and you you have 60% of the population voting.
That is enough to DOMINATE. Vote yourself goodies and the other folks none. That’s spoils politics. That is ALWAYS spoils politics.
If you made me Magic Emperor of the Universe I’d reverse ObamaCare. But living in the real world, not a character in Charmed or WoW, I offer a real, proven, viable solution to destroy Democrats and make socialized medicine at least a winner for the majority population. Because 90% of 66% of the population (White) = 50.94 %.
You can never get rid of ObamaCare, because once government picks winners and losers in health care, running it, the vested interests are too powerful. NHS in Britain, Australia, Canada, and everywhere else is a joke. Pathetic. But the only play is to cut the pie with bigger pieces by including people out.
I would like to make a request of our most gracious and excellent host, Mr. Wretchard. Please if you will, lay out a theory of how a new revolution starts and is ultimately successful. The parameters of the game are the same as the environment we find ourselves in today i’m America. What would it take, in your mind. What sort of strategy would need to be followed? Manpower requirement? Logistics? What are the best geographical areas to take and hold? Any thoughts on this would be most entertaining and enlightening.
I remember a Church History teacher to said that the history of the Church was one of ups and downs that ran in cycles of roughly 200 years. From a low point of despair and suffering came a rekindling of faith with a new insight. That was followed by struggle and ultimate vindication of the new vision. Then the new vision becomes dominant and becomes the institutionalized old vision. That is followed by corruption, decay and decline. From this a spirit of renewal rising from the ashes starts the cycle over again.
I believe that Nations too have their cycles. Some, lacking the strength and vision to recreate themselves, collapse, perish and are subsumed into other Nations. We, the United States, is clearly in a down cycle; that does not mean that we are finished. The seeds of restoration and regeneration are among us. Yes, we will be changed, how we have no way to foretell. What will rise from rubble of this debacle, and from those further defeats we will inevitably suffer; I don’t think this is either the worst or the last; is unquestionable. We are Americans. We’ve done this before and we’ll do it again.
Oh, and as for this dog’s breakfast of a system that is being foisted on us, I mean the overarching ideology, I’m sick of calling it “Socialism”. When I was a lot younger than I am today, we called it Communism. “Socialism” sounds respectable, even though it’s not. “Socialism” lacks the overtones of evil that is at it’s root, branch and fruit. Communism is where we’re headed, and no mistake.
Please Mel at #12, don’t move here. Not that I don’t like ya, we just got enough now.
Think Philadelphia, or some place back east.
A country as large and complicated as the United States basically runs on consensus and widely shared legitimacy. Things happen largely because people are in the habit of cooperating. The biggest danger the administration faces is that it may have destroyed consensus permanently. Why permanently? Because the death of consensus changes the nature of the game to a zero sum contest. Once there are only winners and losers, divisions tend to last a long time and there’s no money left to square the account.
In the coming months a number of crises will successively loom. Health care “reform” will have to go through the senate. Major states are bankrupt. Major entitlements are bankrupt. There may be another dip in the economy. How will the President meet these challenges with his popularity so low? With the Speaker’s popularity conspicuous by its absence? How if the AGs sue? How if the markets tank when they open tomorrow? How if there’s a tax revolt? What will they do if there’s no consensus, and worse, if there’s no money?
In another time there would be enough reserve in the system to reconcile the rival political and demographic interests. Enough pie to make everybody happy enough to bury the hatchet. But what if there’s no pie left? Consensus is hard to restore under those conditions.
The design margin has long gone and there is no reserve buoyancy left in the system. That at a time when challenges — insoluble ones — are coming thick and fast. Even if the President is convinced he can force things through he can’t force enough through to govern. The real problem with a “permanent majority” built on bribes is that runs out of energy and money to stay on top. It’s uneconomical. With consensus gone the difficulty of accomplishing anything becomes prohibitively high.
There are indications that he’s going to tackle immigration “reform” next. That’s another transfer payment at a time when there’s nothing much left to transfer. So what happens? One safe prediction to make is that the process of governance will become increasingly difficult. That means that a number of crises — financial certainly, constitutional and international possibly — will probably have to be faced with a degraded national political consensus. America’s enemies will be surely be alive to the current problems.
The health care “reform” bill will probably increase the uncertainty in possible outcomes by a large factor because the system has never been here before. It’s terra incognita. There are no sure things any more. The best of times and the worst of times.
I’m sick of my Lutheran Church. I disagree with the Theology and the Christology, and I can’t stand the politics. Only the singing I like. And the sharing of the peace. And the lady the other Sunday who said she was in my mom’s brdge club, I had forgotten her.
Ashen, a.k.a. black market. Back in old country (at the time Czechoslovakia), the regime tried to squash it, but due to the number of people involved, it was not possible, after 2 decades (1960-1980, at the end of 50′s, small business was essentially gone), they did not see any way than to live with it for the last 9 years they had at the helm. The parallel economy tried to fill the gaps that were created by the central planning system. Food production predominantly, clothing, services, medical/health. Some of it was supported by “reverse-nationalization”, of course, given that some items were available only in trade between firms.
If you wanted a plumber, you did not go through official channels (and be put on a waiting list). You looked him up from the list that circulated amongst peers and had him there the very next day. While people pretended that they were working and government pretended paying them, when working “privately”, they worked hard and were paid well, cash, and out of radar range of the taxman.
It would probably have a somewhat different form in US, but one way or another, it is coming.
I agreed substantially with Wretchard’s analysis @32 – even before he wrote it! Although my langauge was a bit more melodramatic, I think we see eye to eye on the big picture. The following comes from a very intersting thread you might want to check out at John Reilly’s site.
“In response to the question “now what?”- I think the answer is that health care reform is well and truly dead, and the Democratic Party with it. Bear with me on this. Even if something passes, it will be so distended, so unpopular, so illegitimate, so economically ruinous, and so unenforceable that it will simply be ignored. Washington has reached the point where it is too convoluted to go on functioning anymore. The Dems cannot proceed with their agenda, and this will be true no matter what happens legislatively. They can sign the bill into law if they want. They can carve it into the stone of Mount Rushmore, spray paint it on the National Mall, and sky write over Texas with a fleet of B-52s, but the American people will never accept it. And since we know both Houses of Congress will revert to Republican control in 8 months, the president will be left without any ground to stand on. Then we’ll watch him melt down into full-blown Farquaad mode, stomping around and ordering everybody to pay attention to him. But ultimately the Obama administartion will have to face the reality that they can no longer form a working government. The wheels in Washington will stop turning; and amid a darkening financial storm and a steadily growing murmur of popular unrest, the man will be forced to resign – before the end of his first term – if only to keep the Social Security checks coming. Perhaps Hillary Clinton will be allowed to keep the chair in the Oval Office warm until 2012, but at that point I doubt the Democrats will even advance a serious candidate for president. Beyond that there is an historical discontinuity through which no prognosticator can see, but we may be talking about a new constitutional convention.”
Whiskey,
Why would think you that resources are not going to be divided by race.
I think no such a thing. On the contrary, that is what is more than likely to happen.
But they (them) want you to react exactly the way you do. That is the thing I am trying to explain to you. They dictate the rules of the Chess game and you are accepting their rules, even though you know the game is rigged. But what if you refused to play their version of Chess and started to play Go instead?
Matt Beck,
I wish I could be that optimistic as you are. See, they did this even that they must be aware that it means they forfeited their seats. It does not square, does not add up.
So,
A) They think they can pull of a fast one and remain in majority (undocumented aliens reform).
B) They presume that things will go south during the next 2 years and even if GOP gains a majority in the House, the tanked economy will make them unpopular and they will simply plug in where they were interrupted, with their setup in place.
Someone did shot the economy on 9/18/2008 on their behalf, who is to say it can’t be redeployed.
Twobyfour I didn’t know u were from Czech. Interesting. I’m assuming you grew up there or…? If you did, how long did u live there and what did u do for a living?
And Wretchard, awesome post dude. Heh
Why would think you that resources are not going to be divided by race.
The biggest losers under in a loot-and-distribute system are the poor. Unemployment among young blacks is astronomical. It won’t improve, no matter how many fake jobs are announced in the papers. No increase in schools delivering fake educations and makework programs promising bogus jobs will change the fact they’re still fake. All dysfunctional systems ultimately become press release machines announcing one new program after the other which are all the same ones inflated in different ways.
What’s a revolution like? Most finish up eating their own children. The more millennial it is, the more its consumes its young. There’s only one formula for a successful revolution and it’s in the Declaration of Independence: it’s the one that promises only to leave you alone to fulfill your dream.
Detroit is a perfect example of what this kind of so-called favoritism produces in the long run. Finally everyone just wants to get away from the dream. Get as far from it as they can. Except in this case there’s no place to escape to. In the end a crisis produces a totally new breed of leadership rooted in the current conditions that will supersede the older models and make completely original alliances. There will be many new black leaders in the future and none of them will sound like Jesse Jackson or Barack Obama.
“We” get the government we deserve.
When “we” voted for a guy named Barack Hussein Obama, we asked for it.
What, next.
“What’s a revolution like? Most finish up eating their own children.”
chilling
Ashen,
Yea, grew up there, 1954-1984.
Many things. From a laborer in a chemical factory, construction, to teacher, mainframe operator and programmer (cobol). But beside that, I was in ceramics, paintings restoration, building small kilns and making fashion jewelry. That was a source of real income for me (1980-1984). Without that, I wouldn’t be able to afford a 2-week trip to Yugoslavia (my and wifey’s ticket to the West worth of 6 months combined income) and a backup plan (material for a hot-air balloon, another 8 months worth of combined income).
Twobyfour
I had a buddy in high school who, along with his mom and stepdad, escaped from Czechoslovakia. Dated his sister for a bit and I visited Prague in ’94.
So, you can imagine… I effing hate lefties for a good reason, yewbetcha.
But there is nowhere to go anymore. They spread like a virus. So, my only choice is going into an anti-virus biz.
What about Texas?
What about it?
If TX remains a part of the USSA, its goose is cooked. Or OK, or any conservative majority state/county. But I think that the 2 species (humans and chiroptera lunaris metrosexus) may need to go separate ways, until CLMs go extinct due to their reproductive habits and parasitic nature–they would have to be content with sucking dry their own, meanwhile.
Wretchard — Most Black folks would argue, honestly, in private, that they have indeed won. Is not the President Black? Do not Whites pay welfare for Blacks (and Hispanics)? Do Black and Hispanic people starve? Indeed obesity not starvation is the number one health concern among those populations. Do Black and Hispanic people not have many, many, many children? Do not Black and Hispanic women live in what amounts to Hypergamic paradise, being able to have children by the most thuggiest men, who often land in prison? Did not Rihanna sing a hit song “There’s a Thug in My Life?”
What does it matter if Blacks and Hispanics don’t find good jobs if they can “g it up?” Live off Welfare, transfer payments, the thug life, and so on. They still have cars, trucks, consumer electronics, and lots of food. Black and Hispanic women have more kids than White women (or Asian women). So what if Detroit is a disaster, falling down? That’s someone else’s problem, a result of “racism.” Just ask them. They’ll tell you.
I’m not trying to be obnoxious (or a Paul Anka maniac here). But I don’t see how Blacks and Hispanics are anything other than winners, and Whites anything but losers here.
Nor do I think that Blacks can or ever will change in the US. Cultural failure once embraced can never be changed. Black people elected: William Cold Cash Jefferson, Marion Berry, Kwame Fitzpatrick, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, and many others in the hall of Shame. I don’t see even the possibility of change (i.e. mass starvation in the Black community leading to desperate changes). Heck IRELAND did not change after the famine, it was the same failed culture there as before (and Ireland is still a failure).
What will change is White attitudes towards Blacks. The end of White Guilt, pretending things are not so, the willingness for Whites to fund Affirmative Action, Welfare transfer payments, and so on.
Obama’s play is to simply make 20 million Illegal Aliens here instant citizens, and import another 30 million more as instant citizens. Permanent Black-Hispanic majority to extort/transfer money from the White population. It also means PERMANENT DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY. FOREVER.
That is his design margin. Unemployment figures? Stock market? Bond Rating? HE DOES NOT CARE. HE is the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT. Think he will EVER give up power? This guy? He’s hated Whites all his life (he and his wife never socialize with Whites, his privilege).
Obama is KHOMENI. He does not care … because he plans to rule by decree. As America’s Vizier. Khomeni did not care when he sent half of Iran’s male children to clear minefields as human wave attacks.
Obama is not culturally American, could care less about the nation (too many White people who he hates). He’s playing by Khomeni rules.
Time to play by the same rules. Mass action against Dems. Target people with publicizing dirty, nasty secrets. Target Dem politico friends, family members, campaign supporters, and all. Legal scorched earth — sunshine into every nasty thing, the “Trig Palin” rules, for every Dem politician without exception. Define EVERY DEM politician at EVERY LEVEL as corrupt, nasty, icky, with their family even worse. The treatment Sarah Palin got. Through viral Youtube videos, postings, photos, and so on.
Twobyfour — there is no getting around a racial showdown. What, pretend race does not matter? Of course it matters. It matters if America is transformed to majority non-White. Which means every White guy faces basically (if they are not super-rich) what Epic Bearded guy faced on the bus in Oakland. A black thug(s) deciding to beat him up with the Black women cheering him on. Or Hispanic. Plus official second class citizenship and discrimination in everything. Right now Whites are still the majority.
Obama plans to change that ASAP.
The winning argument is pointing out what happens when Whites are the minority. Not Colors of Benneton but a racially based beat-down ala Reginald Denny, as an official second class citizen.
This is not chess. This is not checkers. This is brutal, attrition political, cultural, economic, and social warfare. And they would not have it any other way.
Title 4 of the USC provides:
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
This morning, my flag will be hung upside down. I only fly my flag on designated holidays. I live on a busy road.
This is only the beginning of the beginning, folks.
Whiskey, sigh…
Obama’s play is to simply make 20 million Illegal Aliens here instant citizens, and import another 30 million more as instant citizens. Permanent Black-Hispanic majority to extort/transfer money from the White population.
Yes, I agree that is the plan. With one modification-from a productive population.
So, how do you propose to circumvent it? It is an end game already in script, you said it to yourself–or the way I see it you bought into it. Thus, whites have no chance.
But, if you forget the skin color for a moment, you would be able to see that the division is, in reality, not racial.
Blacks and hispanics mix like oil and water, BTW.
It is cultural and ideological clash. Disregard the differences pushed by racial hustlers and you’s be able to see that about 40% of hispanics are allies. Blacks, probably 5%. Though, the upcoming train wreck may change that figure dramatically. A majority of orientals are also allies.
I hope that there aren’t that many people thinking like you do, because you are setting yourself for a fall. The game is rigged and you accept the rules of your opponent.
And yes, it is a warfare and the opponent has you where they want you to be–you are an easy prey, by accepting their rules, you will lose, guaranteed. They count on you.
So, how to counteract them? By revealing their plan. What it their plan? 2-class system. With a tiny ruling elite that would oppress everyone equally. At that point, any racial differences would be a moot point. Factual serf is a serf, regardless the amount of melanin. But they would squeeze this factor for what it is worth. And they count on you that you are a subscriber.
Whiskey, SWPLs are whites too, I forgotten to add, and yet they are as far from me and my catholic hispanic or protestant oriental conservative neighbor, as if from another planet.
How do you fight the urge to re-make the earth? It’s not as idle a question as it may seem. You can make the case that all human history is the chronicle either of those who would cast in the world their image or those who aim to simply endure. Sometimes they are the same people. How many who began in the hope of building a new future are in the end content to simply see the next day? And how many who wanted nothing more than the same patch of earth found themselves reluctantly changing everything, so that even what they loved was lost to view?
What brings every Caesar and Napoleon down to earth is the law of unintended consequences. The script never quite plays out the way its written. And that is where the men of no particular destiny — none at least which they have arrogated to themselves — have the advantage. Unencumbered by vanity they see that freedom means above all a liberty from their self-imagined fate.
This matters because success in a crisis often depends on the ability to perceive possibilities much more than the ability to impose one’s will. Where men of ambition seek to mold the world, a man with more humility might ask, ‘what world is struggling to be born?’
A real rebel, as opposed to the bureaucratically badged revolutionary with a roadmap all in hand, is trapped by freedom. He can’t go home because he’s going home already. The Founding Fathers crossed their Rubicon when they realized they didn’t really know where they were going. All they knew was that was that they would give their lives, fortune and sacred honor to get there. That’s what it means to be in the Life, to find yourself almost without memory on a wide field with the sun rising in the far distance.
@12. Everyone will watch a train wreck. They can’t help it.
To everyone who says, “screw it, we are screwed.” Did those Bastards of Bastogne give up? NO they did not. Did Chesty Puller and his Devil Dogs go willingly into the night? NO they did not. Did the boys of war give up in the fight for Ramadi? NO they did not!
We the people who sent these boys and girls off to war OWE THEM THE RESPECT AND DECENCY TO DO OUR PART HERE AT HOME!
We the people of this land will not let this stand! We will fill the ballot box and if that course of action is perverted. WE will open the ammo box!
Now some will say “all that is is keyboard commando talk.” To them I say, May your chains rest lightly on your shoulders.” James F. Sanders.
That’s what it means to be in the Life, to find yourself almost without memory on a wide field with the sun rising in the far distance.
That is very much how I feel, wretchard. You, who’ve actually risked your life as a rebel, know the realities we face ahead. You know that sun rising ahead won’t be easy to reach. So please continue to counsel us. I’m just stumbling along for now, bringing whatever I can to the fight. And I’m assuming it will become the primary focus of the rest of my life.
With constitutional Slaughter House back-ally methods and Saturday night deals the Big Zero got his bill passed. I would guess this would portend how he will pass all of his wasteful bills.
Quite frankly, this type of political midnight dealing is a gross abuse of political power. I don’t believe there has been such an outrageous abuse of political power in the last 60 years. This reeks of Huey Long’s strong arm tactics. Those days were wrong and gone – and they should say gone. Let’s hope it doesn’t end like Huey Long.
http://tinyurl.com/yb4h262
In another video, Boehner mentions that they dropped in a 300 page ammendment @ 3am!
More of the same.
uh, what’s a “SWPL” ?
Standing by. I have a sinking feeling we’re running off the tracks now.
I recommend printing off your county or local area child sex offender registry before it quits working. It’s got helpful rap sheets and photo id’s. A good place to get started.
I hear you JF Sanders, I’ll be dammned if I roll over and throw away all that was gifted, bought and paid for by those greater, selfless people.
Whiskey @ 47
A fine example of the target-rich Democratic field you point to is Allen Boyd of Florida’s 2nd District. Although he sits on the Appropriations Subcommittee and should have not sought farm subsidies from legislation that he affects, he has received exceptionally large subsidies for his farming operation. His son was arrested for human trafficking on the Mexican border. His wife of 40 years recently filed for divorce. Boyd is a real POS who voted yes last night.
The diminution of medical services due to the changes Whiskey describes is real and it will happen. There will also be other factors brought to bear. Medical crisis looms 1-3 years out.
I’ll quote a response of mine to another poster at the Rantburg site. The commenter said that there would be no changes to the number of doctors.
Here was my response:
Kelly, it sounds to me like you have a lot of animosity/contempt towards the medical profession. Perhaps you’re glad the bill passed? Yes there are some rapacious docs who will stay purely for the money, but many will, in fact leave.
Doctors WILL leave, but in most cases, their leaving won’t take the form of an immediate shutting of doors. When socialized medicine swept Europe in the late 1800′s-mid 1900′s, many of the doctors did in fact leave the profession, the pattern was reasonably similar in each country.
It will go something like this:
1. Some of the older and most experienced docs will, in fact, simply shut down their practices. Probably around 5-10%. Many others (probably another 10%) will retire considerably earlier than they would have otherwise, probably as soon as their retirement is funded, instead of working another 10 years when they are at the peak of a lifetime of medical wisdom and are at their most useful to sick people. So not only are doctors going to be leaving, but they’re taking the best the profession has to offer with them. Proportionately, this is even worse than 20% of random doctors disappearing.
2. Other docs will alter the business plans of their practice in ways that will be the equivalent of retiring, particularly if they already have plenty of money/investments saved. For instance, they will cut back the number of days they work, stop taking new patients, become non-insurance practices, become boutique practices, stop doing emergency medicine, get into cosmetic medicine, etc. In essence, this removal from the general treatment modality we’ve come to expect is the equivalent of the doctor retiring from full service.
3. A certain percentage of current med students will drop out, realizing that they can never recoup the money or attain the standard of living in the fashion they imagined after 4 yrs of school and 3-10 years of internships/residencies due to the government setting their fees much lower than a free market would dictate. Except for the affirmative action students, med students are among the very brightest and hard working there are, and many will (correctly) see their talent wasted in a field where their income and opportunities and freedom are limited. There will be other places where they can apply their talents that will provide much greater opprtunities for elevating themselves. They WILL opt for those instead.
4. For the same reason, a VERY LARGE percentage of the very highest quality potential med school candidates – particularly those who do not come from wealthy families – will never even apply to med school, knowing that it is a bad deal and that with their brains they can do much better elsewhere. This will cause less-qualified applicants to be accepted, meaning more students flunking out, or incompetent doctors graduating, the end result either way being fewer competent doctors.
The final end game will be that kids from independently wealthy families who are extremely bright and have the desire to be doctors will do so, and pretty much everyone else applying to med school will be far less qualified than what we’ve become used to seeing – lesser kids who won’t mind accepting a much-reduced salary than current doctors and crushing debt because the ultimate income is still more money than their brains and talent would allow them to make anywhere else.
The overall number of doctors will be less, not more, and many if not most of the new graduates will be less qualified and less competent. Also, take into account the fact that competition for other fields – engineering, business, law – will become much more acute, because people who otherwise weren’t competing for those spots and who are highly talented will now be vying for those areas.
Is all of this mercenary? Some is, perhaps.
Yet who can blame the doctor who sees his neighbors voting in a government which curtails the doc’s salary so the same neighbor can have lower health care costs and is outraged enough to leave his profession?
Who could blame the doc for coming to the conclusion that the neighbor who would use the government as a bludgeon to force doctors to make less money so that said neighbor could have more doesn’t deserve high-quality health care, period?
I know I couldn’t.
” Immigration Reform” is next This will be for the last time again after is was done by Reagan. Congress lied then and will do it again. How can you give millions of law breakers a pass and expect society to have any standard of behavior. I don’t remember Ike’s Operation Wetback but I think all illegals from everywhere should have to leave and return legally BEFORE they can start on a path to become citizens.
The 14th amendment was not intended to do what is is doing now and it may be time to change it as part of ” immigration reform ” If you think health care is expensive, limited and bad with Congress action yesterday, just wait. It is only the beginning.
Bob @33. Only the singing I like. And the sharing of the peace.
Ugh. Those were two things that, to me, signaled the demise of the Catholic church in America. The singing became insipid nonsense, treacly guitar-strum songs about helping the poor. Yikes.
And the “peace be with you” nonsese. An overtly Commie agit-prop moment delivered right in the middle of the Mass. It was all downhill from there.
Who aint a slave? Tell me that. — Herman Melville, “Moby Dick”
I was raised with a prejudice against healthcare workers, amplified in my college years by a know it all put down of professionals ala BHO.
Every experience I have had since then proved how wrong I was.
Doctors are extremely competent and hard-working.
Nurses are Angels.
#60 Peterike
Agreed about the horror of “folk” masses. At my church the women singing and strumming were frustrated coffe house singers. They weren’t singing for God, they were singing for themselves.
I see tax revolts in the near future. When the orders go out to start collecting the money to pay for this monstrosity how will anyone escape it? And now the government is going to hire 16,000 more IRS agents, and are buying shotguns as well? What does that tell you?
This will not end well.
The Republican Party will not will win a governing majority of either the House or the Senate in the next election unless and until it commits to repealing this health care bill.
Bart Stupak capitulated. An executive order means nothing. It can be rescinded the day after it is signed. I cannot stress enough the necessity of supporting House Democrats who voted against the health care bill. Remember Rahab!
President Obama has pulverized every source of internal opposition within the Democratic Party. There is plenty of resentment against his rule but few if any Democrats have the nerve to oppose him. This is particularly the case if Republicans target House Democrats who voted against Obama!
The Republican Party is in crisis. Yet, the Tea Party is rapidly becoming a powerful buttress for the Republican Party. The Tea Party is forming an uneasy alliance with the Republican Party establishment, to the point where outside observers can’t tell the difference between the two.
The Democratic Party is also in crisis. The more that is gets identified with the crimes of the Obama administration, the less likely it will have a long-term future. There are three main options open. The first is to follow the route of the Republican Party when it replaced the Whig Party as the principal opposition to the Democratic Party. The second is to replace the present leadership of the Democratic Party by constitutional means.
The third and most dangerous option is to weather the storm and wait until Obama is out of office to run a concerted campaign to force Obama supporters out of positions of leadership within the Democratic Party. Unfortunately, Obama supporters may become so entrenched within the organization that it becomes impossible to internally challenge their power. That leaves the first two options.
If the Republican Party can show that it can use Reconciliation next year to repeal the health care bill, it will then be possible to start over on health care legislation in a manner that doesn’t internally polarize the United States of America.
In psychology, we sometimes say that a patient, assuming they have the capacity for change and recovery, will have to get worse before they get better. This is when the conscious awareness of the underlying conflicts is lacking, which tends to make the process of unearthing them, and the birth of new awareness and potential, very messy. In the old days, in fact, the psychoanalysts would counsel their patients to sit tight for awhile, not to quit their job or their marriage until the seas calmed down a bit.
This is where we are, I think. It will be easy to lose heart,jump ship, go off half cocked, particularly now. But we need to keep our eye on the ball. This is about the tortuous, winding path of freedom and the expansion of human understanding, which must include spiritual progress to be meaningful.
The adversary is formidable, as if the 100 million deaths last century left any doubt, and we have been asleep so as to let the nihilists in through the open back door.
Putting this evil back in its place will be very difficult, but we certainly have what it takes, and they are going to help a lot. To quote from “The Big Lebowski,” “These men are nihilists, Donny. They’re cowards.”
Wretchard is right to point out that they are building a tower of destruction. Not only is their plan antithetical to everything that’s ever been learned about natural law, but they are self-loathing, self-destructive cowards. And by “they” I mean Whiskey’s collection of self-inflated fools, those who have bought into the leftist/liberal fantasy.
It is a fantasy and, as such, must run up against reality sooner or later, and it kind of feels like that is happening as we speak. What we need to do is help them destroy themselves, which they will, and help build awareness and replacement structures so that the new shoots start to sprout as quickly as possible.
I think Whiskey and 2X4 are both right regarding the racial spoils game. That conflict will have to play a role, and this is no time to turn the other cheek. But the new way, if it is to be new, will have to move beyond that. Why, for example, can’t the Catholicism of the Hispanic population become a basis for joining arms against abortion?
And I would not underestimate the degree to which this may, in the long run, to turn out to be about abortion. That has been an odious millstone around the neck of American culture, along with the associated deteriorating sexual morality, for near half a century. It’s probably not a stretch to say that a country that sanctions the murder of its most innocent so that potential mothers and fathers can do what feels good cannot go on for very long as it is.
Buncha glad handin’ sacks of shit up there in DC if ya ask me.
Stupak:
Pro Life before he was Pro Abortion.
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Repeal Obamacare
“Electing just any Republican is not the answer. We’ve seen what happens when we send Republicans to Washington who don’t truly believe in the principles of freedom. They abandon their principles, lose the trust of the American people, and leave us with Democrats controlling Congress and the White House. “
Where is Nullification when we really need it?
How do you fight the urge to re-make the earth?
In self or others? I mean, the answer is the same in either case: drugs.
Politically? Two things.
One, get out in front of the parade. “NO” is not an answer, I will say it AGAIN, “You can’t beat something with nothing”, even if something is suicide. Seriously, look at a suicide counselor (about which I know almost nothing), but don’t they emphasize the positive? They don’t just say no, they divert the flow.
Second thing, the rhetorical key to saying “no” as effectively as possible is to emphasize what will be lost. Human nature is to hold onto things, change may be good, but 80% or so will be very hesitant to any change when they KNOW it involves certain loss of the old.
But how do you fight megalomania? How do you fight fantasy? How do you fight a child at the control of a bulldozer?
Keep the child off the damned bulldozer in the first place.
Sure, the Democrats “won” last night. But what have they won? They’ve basically won a patch of scorched earth that used to be 17% of the U.S. economy. Indeed, it seems that Obama’s idea of victory is “We had to burn the village in order to save it.”
The political climate in DC through the summer will be absolutely toxic and the GOP will undoubtedly initiate political trench warfare that will make Ypres and The Somme look like Boy Scout jamborees. And Obama likely won’t be able to again pull his “Blazing Saddles” routine by holding a gun to his head while telling Congressional Democrats, “Vote my way or my presidency gets it.”
Heck, if Lord Zero does that again, a lot of Democrats will shrug and mutter, “Go ahead and shoot.”
MarkJ, I disagree. They won. They will happily do it again, and again, and again. What else will these idiots pass, before November?
Until and unless the Republicans retake at least one house, the madness should only increase.
Well, the kids are at school, not knowing of the crisis, nor should they. They need to think for now at least that everything is OK. They may find out sooner than I want.
I was up most of the night talking on the phone and by e-mail to the members of our “group”.
We have scheduled an all hands meeting two weeks from now. But we did work out some basic positions to bring to the membership.
The first one is to double down in our efforts to dislodge all democrats from our communities and our state (Texas) that are in any government position or in a position that endangers our goals. This means a lot of work personally for all and some measure of personal treasure, for years.
The second is to determine just how much civil disobedience we can get away without going to jail. Luckily we have several lawyers and CPAs to help us with those questions. In fact we have the whole range of talent/experience/proficiency in our group. Except I don’t think we have anyone who has held a public/government position in the last ten years.
We have all been practicing living and working in a shadow economic world for sometime, where money is seldom seen or exchanged. Where barter is king. Many have it down to a fine art and pass on this knowledge to the rest of us.
Most have moved to areas that are deemed safer than most and all have prepared for hard times.
All of us are practiced and proficient in keeping two sets of books so to speak and keeping our business to ourselves. Secrecy can not be over emphasized when you are bucking the systems, or intending to.
We all understand that money makes the world go around, but we are determining which world gets our money and our combined efforts and talents and just how much.
If you are so unlucky to not have a large group of friends and want to try and do what we are doing, just remember this. You most times never know who a real friend is until they have came forward to help you when everything in your world was going to hell and most were against you. Pick your friends wisely and treat them as you would want to be treated.
Friends, Family, Country and your belief in a higher power are what will enable you to survive in hard times.
The country part now is crumbling but there are millions of Americans who will not crumble, but will prevail against all odds.
Find them and work with them for your family’s sake. It is time to take a position, to pick a side and commit to it.
Papa Ray
#65 maineman
“And I would not underestimate the degree to which this may, in the long run, to turn out to be about abortion. That has been an odious millstone around the neck of American culture, along with the associated deteriorating sexual morality, for near half a century. It’s probably not a stretch to say that a country that sanctions the murder of its most innocent so that potential mothers and fathers can do what feels good cannot go on for very long as it is.”
It is NOT a coincidence that the number of abortions since Roe v Wade is almost exactly equal to the number of illegal immigrants that have come here.
In essence, a statistical majority of American women did not want the drudgery of changing lots of diapers and raising lots of kids when they could stay young and unencumbered and promiscuous by aborting the “excess”, so they aborted them and we imported foreigners instead to fill the work force.
Maybe after today people will start taking the writings of folks like Whiskey as something more than an angry rant. He’s right often enough that we should pay attention.
Good post, maineman.
Barack Obama has a gift. He has told us so himself, and he is right, but he errs in supposing that his oratorical skill will enable him to fool all of the people all of the time, and over time he has, in effect, unmasked his own party as a conspiracy on the part of a would-be aristocracy of do-gooders hostile to very idea of self-government in the United States. There is no need for me to review the record of the Obama administration and the Democratic Congress in the last fifteen months. It is enough to say that, in an administration that promised transparency, everything has been negotiated behind closed doors in a manner suggestive of tyranny and that, in an administration that promised to distance itself from the lobbyists, every major bill has been written by them and is loaded with special deals that give new meaning to the old phrase “corrupt bargain.” The stimulus bill, cap-and-trade, healthcare reform: with these Barack Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid have brought home to the American people, as never before, the tyrannical propensities inherent in the progressive impulse. Thanks to them, everyone now knows that there is no such thing as a moderate Democrat.
“Hope and Change: Had Enough? by Paul Rahe at BIG GOVERNMENT
I haven’t seen it mentioned recently, so I will volunteer who we really have to thank for this health care bill:
AIG. Citibank. Alan Greenspan. IOW, Wall Street.
Huh?
Because of the financial meltdown, and Paulson going to Congress for a trillion dollars, and getting it. That licensed trillion dollar servings of pork. We got another trillion dollars in porkulus. We got another Cthulu only knows how much in funds spent by the Fed, probably OTOO two trillion. So, another trillion for health care? At last, something for the people!
But mostly, they broke the seal on the trillion dollar level of spending.
Thank you, Paine Webber.
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Now here’s the rub – hey, why not? I don’t suppose I’m entirely against spending a trillion dollars over ten years on improved health care. I think the present system stinks, and is falling apart, emergency rooms closing, average levels of care barely acceptable, and yes the insurance companies could use further regulation, they do cancel people with long-held policies on the way in for surgery, the stories are true. I don’t even mind it competing with more porkulus funds. I just want it done honestly and competently, and this bill doesn’t even BEGIN to qualify on those scales.
Immediate citizenship and wholesale amnesty for the illegals through so-called ” Immigration Reform” can only happen with the help of Republicans. We cannot let Lindsey Graham or McCain or any other stupid Senate Rino play ball with our Dictator Wannabe President. They need to be told in a very serious way that any Republican who even works on any bill with that A-hole will be tarred and feathered and run outta town. They need to told in no uncertain terms that if Obama and his goons are allowed to go much further toward dictatorship there will be likely a violent revolution and there will be roving gangs in the streets looking to slit the throats of traitors potentially like Graham who capitulated. I’m not encouraging violence and that is not a threat, it’s just a reality.
That said however, unless the Senate Republicans capitulate, the Democrats and Buraq are dead meat in November. Next year, if they have the balls, the Republicans can then defund tons of welfare progams and other programs including Health Care, that are central and necessary to the Democrat Spoils system. I’m thinkin there will be huge Republican majority in the House next year filled with angry men and women who will not be a mood to continue the spoils nonsense.
By then the economy will have completely tanked. Discretionary spending this quarter has already nosedived, and this healthcare nightmare will force many employers to push the less necessary employees out the door. Plus it is the largest tax increase in history which will further depress already anemic spending. And I wondering if the Catholic Church will follow through on it’s threat of closing it’s hospitals which are only a mere 25% of the total in America, many of which serve exclusively the urban poor. There will be many more unemployed in the near future and I doubt few will have sympathy for the welfare queens who helped bring us down.
This is a real crisis. One of my biggest worries is that Buraq and his masters want near total economic destruction and wide spread violence to occur so they can declare martial law and grab complete control.
maineman – To quote from “The Big Lebowski,” “These men are nihilists, Donny. They’re cowards.”
Just a slight nit mm but the quote was from the little Lebowski!
Whoops, it was Walter Sobchak.
Sorry Dude!
Our host in 32: “The real problem with a “permanent majority” built on bribes is that runs out of energy and money to stay on top.”
When the money runs out, switch to a violence and loot based economy, see ‘Lenin and his machinegun regiments’ and ‘the rise of Feudalism’.
When there isn’t enough loot to go around, start cutting down on the number of people you have to share it with, see ‘Stalins purges of the “Old Bolsheviks”‘, ‘Mao’s Cultural Revolution’, or ‘Pol Pot’
Ursus Maritimus
Keep a close eye on shenanigans from Emanuel and the other Brownshirts/street agitators. They won’t suffer overwhelming electoral defeat in November without stealing every election in sight. Anyone who believes they willingly sacrificed their careers for altruistic reasons is out of their mind. These folks are venal, corrupt,demented and power crazed. Most of them are utterly unprincipled with no moral compass. Anything to keep them in power and enrich them is fair game. What sort of Reichstag fire will we see in the fall(no doubt set by a Tea Party activist in place of a convenient Jew… it might even be the one that called Barney Frank a fudgepacker or some such thing). These people are gutter rats and gutter fighters, the Marquis of Queensbury rules no longer apply.
Stupak never intended to resist the regime:
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/03/21/video-stupak-has-lied-about-healthcare-vote-all-along//#pageTitle
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47. whiskey
You are So right, as in correct.
Next steps are to follow T. Jeffersons advice and water the tree of liberty.
Rammer sponge
Solid shot! Load
Ram it home
Take out a vent pick and poke a hole in the powder bag. Each round has a powderbag attached which when lit, explodes and sends the projectile down range.
Prepared a friction primer and attached it to his lanyard
Pull lanyard
Fire.
Or are we still convinced that “reason” and “continued dialogue” with the unalloyed left that hates whites and wealth and this nation as a whole is the best way? You are simply feeding the left more rope which they will use to hang you with.
obama was a mistake that is now tearing this country apart similar to what ocured prior to the Civil War, and costing trillions upon trillions of debt we will never get paid off.
It’s time to get some things going downrange and a little revolution every now and then isn’t a bad idea. Let’s roll.
I submit that one possible result of the healthcare bill’s passing is that the health of Americans (and possibly of many others) will improve. Which may sound insane, but bear with me.
The healthcare industry in the USA (and elsewhere) is actually nothing of the sort. It is an illness industry, depending for its existence on plenty of people being sick – the only possible exception to this is acute trauma care. In addition, the drugs and surgery paradigm that currently constitutes most of medicine is of extremely recent vintage in historical terms.
However, there are a lot of Americans (my information is that they are actually in a small majority) who rely on healthcare methods such as osteopathy, naturopathy and herbal medicine (much of which has clinical evidence to back it up) for their requirements – and the more chronic the illness the more this applies.
For an illustration of this, try to find a doctor who has a “conventional” medicine CURE (not palliative treatment) for chronic osteoarthritis. If you can. For natural practitioners, it’s easy.
Why is all this relevant? Well, simply because if the knives-and-poisons methods of “conventional” medicine become more difficult and/or expensive to get then many people will turn to safe, effective treatments that also cost less. And also pay more attention to their lifestyle, thus making it less likely they’ll get sick in the first place.
Annoy Mouse, on the topic of slight nits – The Dude would *never* be known as “the little Lebowski”!!! This is The Dude we’re talking ’bout, man!
The “other” Lebowski, maybe. But probably just The Dude.
And remember, even in the face of national health care, The Dude abides.
(Walter, on the other hand, would be goin’ ape shit about right now)
Right now I’m sick unto my stomach. We had too close a glimpse at the sausage making.
It stopped being a sausage factory in 2007. It is now an intestinal tract.
Therefore, the end product is no longer sausages.
Every single White woman in America can have free, bi-annual breast cancer screening, and ovarian cancer screening, without taxes being raised.
Uh, Whiskey . . . . whe’re you been on mammograms? Don’t you recall the medical powers-that-be (was it the NIH? I don’t recall), recommending fewer mammograms? It was the first shot across the bow on rationing. Don’t get so wrapped up in your agenda so as to get certain realities skewed.
83. Fletcher Christian:
FC, this has nothing to do with healthcare. No one haas read the bill etc.
It has everything to do we how this nation will remain free from a developing oilgarchy shamwallowed with an “election” every few years. The Federal government , now the largest employer in this country is like a black hole, sucking into it our freedoms, our choices and our money in amounts approaching Stalinist Russia.
Healthcare, they might as well have called it “collectivization”
Who does AA hurt? White kids.
Also East Asians, and, eventually, South Asians (Indian subcontinent), once the bureaucrats take a look at that subgroups superior SATs.
Papa Ray
Your response to the appalling change in culture, the problem extends far beyond the administration of one man, is the future that will rescue America. The conservatives have always been at a disadvantage because our core principle of live-and-let-live does not withstand the early assaults of the always better organized left. That’s just the way it is.
Call it a retreat if you would but the only realistic shield against an intrusive government bolstered by the bully boys supplied by the government unions and freeloader NGOs is to drop out of sight into Communities of Character. I applaud you for already getting far down the road in that respect.
We would all do well to make a greater effort to form those kind of associations.
39.Wretchard wrote:”Detroit is a perfect example of what this kind of so-called favoritism produces in the long run. Finally everyone just wants to get away from the dream. Get as far from it as they can. Except in this case there’s no place to escape to. In the end a crisis produces a totally new breed of leadership rooted in the current conditions that will supersede the older models and make completely original alliances.”
This is happening in Detroit. New leadership is in place, how effective they will be remains to be seen, but they are there. The old leadership is discredited.
It was Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy (what an approprite name!) who responded to Kilpatrick’s protests by looking into the camera and simply saying “No man is above the law.” And she nailed him.
For those less than satisfied with the postmodern bending of their denomination I suggest that you take a look at the Orthodox Christian churches. There is no difference between Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc.
No Reformation. No secular Enlightenment. Every Orthodox bishop can trace his line of succession directly back to one of the original 12. Most of the liturgy practiced today was written in the early 4th century.
It was a surprise to me to discover an ancient anchor that has held fast from Rome to Istanbul.
#82 Habu:
Not to disagree with the basic premise at all, other than perhaps to prefer double-shotted cannister [remembering please to remove the powderbag from the second cannister round before loading] against infantry; but I crew a muzzle loading 12 lb. Mountain Howitzer for fun. I cringed.
You have two implements ["rammers" never ramrods], with two ends on each. There are a worm, a wet sponge, a dry sponge, and a rammer. The order of operations you gave means you lose body parts.
Short form:
Gunner [position #1] blocks the vent with a thumbstall so using the implements does not fan any smoldering embers.
Worm first to remove any smoldering pieces of powder bag from the previous round.
Wet sponge to extinguish any embers.
Dry sponge to remove excess water
The round the Gunner called for with the fusing he called for is presented for his approval, then taken to the muzzle where it is rammed home.
Gunner takes aim with a Hausse Pendulum sight directing the laying of the piece. Sight is secured after laying.
Then proceed as from the vent pick above.
3-4 rounds a minute sustained fire with a full trained crew and good people pulling rounds and cutting fuses at the caisson or limber.
We trained from the original manuals. What you sometimes see the Park Service do, is not always regulation and can be downright dangerous. Loading anything but the first round without using worm and both sponges means that the round could well go off prematurely and send the implement in use, plus the hands/arms of the crewman handling it downrange. The funny thing, is that our unit [and all re-enactors] were barred from bringing and demo-ing a howitzer to a National Park we appear at, because they had their own “professional NPS crew” [college kids who have a couple of hours of drill before they become "professionals"] who scared the hell out of us.
Other than that, agreed. Democrats are no longer our countrymen, and have not been for some time.
Subotai Bahadur
Every Orthodox bishop can trace his line of succession directly back to one of the original 12.
I doubt that. That is a long way back.
And I don’t think there was 12 anyway, the number is a reflection of the twelve tribes.
There was just a bunch of people, and they were very creative bunch.
It’s like a ping pong match. The ideas get bounced around from the Jewish writings to the New Testiment, and back again. There is hardly an idea in the New you can’t find a hint of in the Old.
Back and forth, back and forth.
The Transfiguration, that’s the whole myth in a moment. The cosmic dance.
I think if we stay with some good singing, not guitar, and sharing a little peace, we be best off.
And I don’t want a revolution in America.
I want to vote the bastards out.
6 million conservative voters went missing the night of November 4, 2008. They were thinking, “This will teach the Republicans” when they chose not to vote. Now they see that they put their country, their ideals at risk. They won’t make the same mistake again. Then there are the independents that voted for a change and hope that things would/could/should be different. The blinders have been ripped off. They won’t be fooled again and eager to make good their mistake. Finally, there is the tea party movement. Folks that have never involved politically before are joining the battle. And do not appreciated being called names by the liberals and media for exercising their rights. Think 1894, my friends. The change come November will be historic. The opposition to what just transpired in Washington is fired up and motivated to show up at the polls.
Wretchard,
I do believe a little of Thomas Paine lives somewhere in your soul my friend.
#26 “Matt Beck – People are openly talking about repeal, impeachment, secession, revolution, you name it.”
This is fuel for the Tea Party’s bonfire. Remember, the States can amend the Constitution *without* Congress. Before secession or revolution, middle-America will call for a Constitutional Convention and put the Feds on a very short leash. Only if this effort flounders will more extreme measures gain favor.
*IF* abortions become federally funded where’s MY ‘choice’ to not have my money transformed into blood money?
None. Zilch. Zip. Nada.
Not only do I want the ‘right’ to murder my babies but I want YOU to pay for it.
*bangs head against keyboard*
Thanks, Annoymouse. I couldn’t come up with Walter’s name, so I was forced to just refer to the movie title.
Meanwhile, how about a little more Walter: “Say what you want about the tenets of socialism, Dude. At least it had an ethos.”
People are discussing cannon-loading procedures already? The Democratic Party attacked this country in 1861, and it’s doing it against now.
The difference is that in 1861 the democratic party-south was filled with people aching for a fight. Democrats today are so feminized as to be laughable: not much fight there. The Democratic Party delenda est.
Whole thing absolutely stinks.
Sarah Palin has a good article up on her facebook.
UPDATE from #10.
As I mentioned above, I talked to my Doctor’s office this morning about whether he would be staying open after the vote last night. The answer was:
“We are praying that we are going to be able to, but keep in mind that a large number of our patients are Medicare. We just don’t know.”
The tone of voice was NOT optimistic. His is one of the larger practices in our town.
Hope, change, etc.
Subotai Bahadur
from Sarah Palin’s article–
The Medicus Firm: Media
The Medicus Firm Physician Survey: Health Reform May Lead to Significant Reduction in Physician Workforce
What if nearly half of all physicians in America stopped practicing medicine? While a sudden loss of half of the nations physicians seems unlikely, a very dramatic decrease in the physician workforce could become a reality as an unexpected side effect of health reform.
The Medicus Firm, a national physician search firm based in Dallas and Atlanta, conducted a survey of over 1,000 physicians to determine their expectations as to the impact of health reform on their practices, income, job satisfaction, and future career plans. In discussing career plans as part of the recruitment process, physicians have increasingly expressed apprehension and uncertainty regarding health reform’s impact on their practices, and The Medicus Firm wished to investigate this trend further. Additionally, the firm wanted to determine how doctors anticipate health reform to affect physician supply and the quality of medical care nationwide, as these are issues that will directly influence the physician recruiting industry. These factors are in addition to health reform’s more obvious impact on patients and providers of health care services. A total of 1,195 physicians from various specialties and career levels in locations nationally completed the survey.1
The results from the Medicus Firm survey, entitled “Physician Survey: Health Reform’s Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical Care,” were intriguing, particularly in light of the most recently published career projections from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). The BLS predicts a more than a 22 percent increase in physician jobs during the ten-year period ending in 2018. This places physician careers in the top 20 fastest-growing occupations from 2008 to 2018. Meanwhile, nearly one-third of physicians responding to the survey indicated that they will want to leave medical practice after health reform is implemented.
“What many people may not realize is that health reform could impact physician supply in such a way that the quality of health care could suffer,” said Steve Marsh, managing partner at The Medicus Firm in Dallas. “The reality is that there may not be enough doctors to provide quality medical care to the millions of newly insured patients.”
It’s probably not likely that nearly half of the nation’s physicians will suddenly quit practicing at once. However, even if a much smaller percentage such as ten, 15, or 20 percent are pushed out of practice over several years at a time when the field needs to expand by over 20 percent, this would be severely detrimental to the quality of the health care system. Based on the survey results, health reform could, over time, prove to be counterproductive, in that it could decrease patients’ access to medical care while the objective is to improve access.
As I listened to idiots defend this monstrosity the only thing I could think of was this metaphor: They are standing on the Titanic defending the Iceberg.
I don’t understand what was going on with Stupak. If he was really anti-abortion then why did he accept that executive order from Obama? Was it simple stupidity or did Pelosi have a gun to his head and he needed a fig leaf?
I find myself wondering whether Stupak always intended to vote for Obamacare and the abortion commentary was simply noise? What was the political advantage for Stupak in doing this? Truth to tell, I don’t see any advantage.
Was there some hidden tactical advantage in making Obamacare “appear” to not have the votes until the very last minute? Again, I don’t see the advantage. Maybe(?) this was simple stupidity.
jason gray @ 103 said:
“They are standing on the Titanic defending the Iceberg.”
We’ve already struck the iceberg and 5 of the 14 compartments are flooding. Keep in mind that the water is almost freezing so you need a flotation device that keeps you and your family above water.
Two by Four –
The way to fight the sudden importation of about 50 million net illegal aliens as instant Citizens (Just add water!) is not appealing to Blacks. Blacks would if they could push a magic button wiping out every White guy on the planet even if it made them materially much poorer.
Rather, it is to take Andrew Sullivans and Tina Fey’s playbook. What both did was make Sarah Palin and HER FAMILY, seem so “icky” that the vast majority (of women) view her with disgust. Sure the cost to Andrew Sullivan was high, but so what? He’s not Obama. And Tina Fey is even more popular now.
The answer is to go after, HARD, Nancy Pelosi, Barack and Michelle Obama, Bart Stupak … AND THEIR FAMILIES. Go after them like Andrew Sullivan against Palin. Like Tina Fey.
I want to know if any of Pelosi’s kids was arrested, if so what for, any allegations of domestic violence, any dirty, embarrassing, icky, nasty, or simply humiliating secret — put it out there. Or any semi-credible allegations.
I want to know if Obama’s kids have said racial epithets against Whites or Asians or Hispanics. If they pose with Farrakhan. Or even any credible allegations. If Michelle Obama is fooling around. If Barack Obama is fooling around. Or any credible allegations. ANYTHING to paint their family as icky, undesirable, low-class, racist, stupid, or vile.
What is this? SCORCHED EARTH. Total Political Warfare. In case you didn’t notice, this is what was done to destroy Sarah Palin. Bob notes Palin has a “really good Facebook comment” but that’s pathetic. Its not on CNN, NBC, CBS, FOX, Good Morning America, the View and so on.
Which means we have to fight twice as hard. Dig up anything semi-credible and put it out there. Who cares if you are slammed? The point is to turn the cultural and social terms of the debate. Make it about “Is Obama really Gay?” (ala the stuff on the National Enquirer which I have seen several times). “Are the Obama kids racists?”
The other side did not observe any niceties about Trig, or Willow, or Bristol Palin. Letterman called the latter two out and out whores along with Sarah Palin. To the delight of his audience. This makes most women and many men tune out Sarah Palin’s criticisms.
We don’t have the media. So make that a strength. Make the most of being below the radar, and do what can be done to define Obama, Pelosi, Stupak, and others as disgusting, vile, trashy, “racist,” stupid, venal, and embarrassing.
What is at stake? If you get health care or not. If you will be a discriminated, second class minority in your own country suddenly.
Eggplant – there is a clip floating around the web from a year ago where Stupak basically says, of course he’ll vote for a health care bill but he has to hold out as long as possible on abortion in order to look good to the people back home.
But he always intended to cave – that’s now obvious. It was just Kabuki theatre – it was all a stunt to make you and the rest of the plebians think he had some “ethics” when in fact he never had any. And that’s why Pelosi could push for this so confidently – he must have told her months ago that he always planned to cave at the last minute. There was never any contest here – that was just a game for your benefit. The fix was in a long time ago.
Which is why Stupak was seen in the bar last night drinking with the other dems and whooping it up. Yep, that’s the sign of a man who was “severely conflicted.”
Whiskey is already recommending “Scorched Earth” tactics. Well, how about first going to the state legislatures and DEMAND they pass resolutions of Nullification? The basis would be the 10th Amendment. At least let the DC would know that people out here are getting very perturbed. I’ve heard that some state AGs are already talking about a suit in the courts. How likely is that to succeed?
http://firenancypelosi.com/
(81. herb) shared the link about Stupak’s dishonesty. Here it is again for those of you who missed it from above:
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/03/21/video-stupak-has-lied-about-healthcare-vote-all-along//#pageTitle
“What brings every Caesar and Napoleon down to earth is the law of unintended consequences. – Wretchard”
That is the main thing. The U.S. Government is launching a ship it know cannot float, the hull is rotten to the core, and has insufficient life boats for half the passengers.
This thing is going down.
The Social Security, Medicare, Education, and $Trillion’s of other entitlements are not going away. The bill for health care will come at the same moment when the bank for the former is empty.
If Ecomomic theory and experience means anything, the net result of this huge resource and asset grab will be less resources and assets. Less investment, less jobs.
I have two brother’s in law here in California – professionals in government jobs or related agencies. They just got their “pink slips”, their furlough notices. When they return they will work 37 hour weeks. What the private sector has been experienceing for more two years is just hitting them for the first time in their adult lives.
Yes – unintended consequences. What does the SEIU do when they get more jobs but there is less money to pay for them? What do THEY do – the protected class – the one’s collectively making almost $80K per person on average, what do THEY do when their livelihoods are at stake?
What will my children’s generation do when they’ve been jobless for 2, 3, 5 years? My daughter gave up a “Hooters” job when she graduated EARLY last December, to take a brief vacation and try her luck in Florida (i.e. anywhere but Kalifornia) with her Marine boyfriend. She is still unemployed, with no government safety net. She and my son face a LIFETIME of higher tax obligations, reduced spending power, but most importantly, sharply reduced opportunity.
Unintended consequences.
What will the millions of men and women who’ve fought for 4 years or longer (and my daughter’s boyfriend just did), and now come home – not to the properity of 1946, but to the stagflation of 1930?
Revolution?
Well, my friends, wait just a minute there. REAL revolution will mean a generation destroyed, wealth lost, and with no guarantee – of anything. As a former serviceman and always loyal American, I’ve asked myself when if ever “is it 1776″ again? And the answer has always come as “When my vote is meaningless, when there is no chance of political change or reconciliation, when the Constitutional rule of law is completely abrogated”.
We’re a long ways from that point, though as 1989 and something called U.S.S.R. proved in many of our lifetimes, things can reach critical mass rather swiftly. However, we are at a point where, if there is truely a majority of Americans who care about a Constitutional Republic, the rule of law, the bill of rights, they will have to enage themselves into the political process. If there is not a majority left in this country who will support the Constitution, who are for “LIfe, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (and property)” above all, then what’s the point? Would an armed minority force it’s will on the majority. Not a conservative minority, that is for certain. That’s not who we are.
There will be serious, probably dire economic and social consequences coming long before this socialist thing is implemented which Obama and his party have no clue is coming.
My most immediate fear is, as Richard is hinting at, that we’ve tipped the balance into a serious economic depression. Businesses will react immediately to the pending changes, even if implementation is years away. From this point on, the private sector will be thinking “economic survival” and preservation, not expansion, growth, or profits. There will be no new jobs. Employment will contract.
I think it’s inevitable. I think personally, that I need to act to ensure that there is simple food on the table and a roof over our head in the next half dozen years.
Politically? I’m just looking for a competent leader.
Let’s roll!
Whiskey,
Pictures of Barry’s nude mom circulated and nothing came of it.
Meanwhile, Larry Sinclair’s (someone who was ‘intimate’ with Barry in more ways than one) website kept getting shutdown:
http://larrysinclair.org/
http://larrysinclair.com/
Not to mention all of Barry’s other cretinous past associations (Rev. Wright/Bill Ayers etc.), the MSM will keep the subversives in the dark for as long as ‘needed’ to ‘fundamentally transform’ America.
Revolution?
Well, my friends, wait just a minute there. REAL revolution will mean a generation destroyed, wealth lost, and with no guarantee – of anything. As a former serviceman and always loyal American, I’ve asked myself when if ever “is it 1776″ again? And the answer has always come as “When my vote is meaningless, when there is no chance of political change or reconciliation, when the Constitutional rule of law is completely abrogated”.
We’re a long ways from that point
I agree with Old Salt.
The last thing I want to do is fight my fellow Americans.
All this talk of revolution is sinful.
VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT
wws @ 106 said:
“there is a clip floating around the web from a year ago where Stupak basically says, of course he’ll vote for a health care bill but he has to hold out as long as possible on abortion in order to look good to the people back home.”
My question still stands: There was no advantage for Stupak himself to engage in this stunt. The folks back home now know he was insincere about the abortion issue. From the standpoint of his own political standing, Stupak should either have remained quiet about the abortion issue and simply gone along with the rest of the Democrats on Obamacare or else stood fast on the abortion issue until the language within the actual bill was changed.
Given this was Kabuki Theater, where’s the payoff for Supak? I don’t see it.
Given this was some sort of tactic to make Obamacare look like it was in doubt until the last minute, what was the political advantage? I don’t see it.
Again, I’m inclined to think this was simple stupidity.
Delia @ 110 said:
“Not to mention all of Barry’s other cretinous past associations (Rev. Wright/Bill Ayers etc.), the MSM will keep the subversives in the dark for as long as ‘needed’ to ‘fundamentally transform’ America.”
Obama as President is a consequence of our disfunctional MSM (he is their creation). The MSM will not seriously oppose Obama until after it is clear that he is going down in flames. It’s nonsense to expect the MSM to trot out any skeletons from Obama’s closet. The MSM will do everything in their power to suppress such stories.
What might be a useful line-of-inquiry would be gathering information for a bill of impeachment. However that approach only works if the Democrats are swept from Congress in November. I see no advantage in impeaching Obama if he is not later convicted by the Senate. Impeachment without actual removal from office causes the nation more harm than good.
I understand no one knows what is in the bill,but what happens to the VA in this clusterfoxtrot? I get pretty crappy care now, so it can’t get too much worse. You wanna bet?
Fellow Americans? Hardly. These of the mindset best expressed when the latest “transformers” hottie professed a desire for N Korea to burn the flyover states out of existence? These 4th and 5th generation tax eaters who would strip you and leave you for dead faster than I can type it? These politicians who decry our finest overseas as rapists and murderers?
Vote the bastards out? The game is rigged, the deal salted. An illusion of a former blessing now dead from neglect. You have better odds at the carney booths at your nearest county fair.
How many of you “resonable” people are we going to have to wait on? What will finally tip the bucket for you? The immigration fiasco that’s pending? When you finally get to the point where you’re standing in line for bread? When your victory garden of cherry tomatoes and blue lakes is confiscated?
Who is going to champion you? These same Republicans that had the bully pulpit and both sides of Capitol hill for what, 5 years running and did nothing? Politicians all… an annoited upper class of nepotists. Guily by association at the least.
I’m no idiot, I won’t be your John Brown, if for the simple fact that I don’t trust you to raise my kids for me were I gone tomorrow. I can only save so many sheep, and I’ve already sworn to do my all and best, but some of you had best wake up and start hauling the line with me real soon. Take Papa Ray’s advice to heart… figure out where you’re going to stand because when it comes to all or nothing (and it will) it’s going to be important to you.
Habu, I sort of agree with you but one perhaps ought to look for the silver lining of every cloud. The silver lining here is improved health for a fair number of Americans, no longer being poisoned and sliced up for the sake of doctors’ new Porsches and pharma cartel profits; as an aside, the latter group have been responsible for more restriction in health care options than any Democrat or group of Democrats ever has.
In any case, the argument is lost. The argument was lost when you (Americans, not you personally) voted in the empty suit. The argument was lost before that, when the choice became a choice between a geriatric zealot and an anti-choice theocrat on the one hand, and an empty suit and a crooked lawyer (assuming there is any other variety!) on the other. The argument was lost before that, when America allowed incompetent leftist bigots to take over the educational system of the USA so ensuring a generation, perhaps two, of people who had and have no hope of understanding the issues. The argument was lost before that, when all qualifications for voting rights were removed. Possibly, I could go further back. But is the point made?
ah grow up, fool.
We are nowhere near a ‘revolutionary situation.’
Thank Christ.
You may think it sexy, but it is nothing like that.
Tain’t sexy atall.
To kill.
Nothing at all like that.
And, we might lose.
And we have all the tools at hand to change the situation.
You are a young fool, grow up.
Move.
Go to Canada.
Go to Vegas, get some sex, read some good books, idiot.
Read about China. And the millions of dead.
Don’t go off the rail. You are living one of the best life’s possible.
THINK!
109. OldSalt:
111. bob:
So neither one of you agree with the prevailing Enlightenment philosophy at the time of this nations founding, to say nothing of the entire history of mankind, that ALL types of governments eventually enslave the population they rule .
Well I believe that the Founding Brothers knew all about the Enlightenment far more than either of you do and they, I am confident would not have put up with what is currently going on in this country.
Go back and read the indictment in the Declaration of Independence. Read the Secessionist Declaration from South Carolina.
http://tinyurl.com/gp36p
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Don’t become “fellow travelers” on the Road to Serfdom.
Where do you intend to stop and make a fight of it as our Founders did? There is only so much “leveling” of a society before it ceases and becomes a pulverizing grinding on the populous.
The Socialist Democrats have crossed the legitimate line marking the citizens God given rights and those dictated by the state and are now carpet bombing this country, taking over businesses and now an entire industry. They won’t stop by their own virtue. They MUST BE STOPPED.
It appears you two would stand on the sidelines yelling “Let’s all stay calm” while the orphanage burns down ….not me brother ….to arms.
Why don’t you read these two books I got in the mail today— Carol Zaleski “Life In The World To Come” –and “At The Hour Of Death”–Osis and Haraldson.
You are a fool, dreaming of some sexy revolution.
It’s not like that at all.
A moron.
J@75: I just want it done honestly and competently, and this bill doesn’t even BEGIN to qualify on those scales.
The Republican position of “let’s do it, but do it right” was criticized as political code-speak for “let’s not do this at all” so instead we will pass “something” as better than “nothing”. As soon as I heard that I knew the players weren’t serious about health care reform. My man Rudy was on CNBC this afternoon making his usual sensible and lucid! points. (HCR sold as a crisis but reform won’t take effect until 2014.) My contribution (in addition to the budget neutral nonsense – don’t ever speak to the American public like adults – just not done in polite politics): the tax on union “Cadillac Plans” was replaced by a 3.8% tax on investment income – no compromise, just a flat replacement of funding source. Guiliani also makes the point that while the so-called Public Plan was dropped, this bill is still a “move in the direction” of socialized health care, speaking of which…
A@64: If the Republican Party can show that it can use Reconciliation next year to repeal the health care bill, it will then be possible to start over on health care legislation in a manner that doesn’t internally polarize the United States of America.
I don’t see repeal. (As an aside, I heard a legal analyst state that repeal was not possible, but I don’t want to argue that point except to note that legal obstacles to repeal are already being defined, depending on who you believe.) What I do see – and the public will “see” very little of this – is ten years of amendments to reallocate the funding mechanism depending on who is in power. So if you’re confused about the original 2700-page bill, wait until the amendments start rolling in. I fear it will be a boondoggle of enormous proportions – because the Dems insisted on Something Now instead of Substance Later. Wait for the amendments…..
Unless Congress gets cleaned out with the same alacrity and dispatch attending the military dust cloud that erupted post-Fallujah when suddenly a small army of retired generals started to circulate the news hour with Books. The fringe Republicans in Congress are gone. The fringe Democrats are next. Evan Bayh strikes me as either a bellwether signifying the odds of successful Dem Party rehabilitation – or a ballsless wonder who never belonged there in the first place.
I agree with YKWYA – very tough decade ahead.
Habu, for Christ’s sake, we’ve all got two cars, and garages, and homes, and shit, what’s to fight over?
Habu, I love ya, but I think you are just bored.
Find a hobby.
I’m getting older too, and it is a bitch, a real bitch, I take comfort in I can talk with my wife, and read some good books.
There might be LIFE AFTER DEATH!
121. bob:
“There might be LIFE AFTER DEATH!”
Yes, and those lives shouldn’t be burdened by the parasites who will surely collapse America when we are gone and in the grave.
And what are we going to replace it with?
A Prince?
I might go for that, after all, it is what my aunt recommended.
Just as long as I can keep my property.
But I am dubious, and would rather rely on the deeds at the Court House.
GL @ 119:
Exactly right. And accurate. If you want to do it right, say what is right. No indirection.
If the Republicans had chosen ONE feature at random and said, “Let’s do this ONE feature now and others later”, they might have beat this back.
Rookie errors.
Can’t anybody here play this game?
[old guy's lament, famously Casey Stengle, 80yo famous manager of the Yankees, when in his later days he was coaching the hapless Mets]
Look, Delia, women don’t have to get pregnant. It’s really mostly up to you. I don’t like the bill, I hate it, I will vote Pub like I always have, we will kick Minnick out, you girls have some responsibilities too.
Are we in a revolutionary situation?
Not by a long ways.
20 Ways ObamaCare Will Take Away Our Freedoms
J@124: If the Republicans had chosen ONE feature at random and said, “Let’s do this ONE feature now and others later”, they might have beat this back.
Judd Gregg told Joe Kernen during one of his many interviews on CNBC that his staff submitted an alternative plan to Rahm Emmanuel – a plan that contained the interstate policies and tort reform. No response. I have “heard,” but can’t confirm, that [one of] the alternative Republican plans did not include coverage for pre-existing conditions, which of course is a deal-breaker.
Something funny happened on the way to the quorum.
My view? The Republicans remaining in Congress strike me as fairly straight shooters (with the exception of this “pre-existing conditions” maneuver). The White House crew shut them out of the process, with a lot of help from the legislative crew led by Pelosi who needs to go I think.
That is pure speculation, but something happened to kill the Republican approach to reform. The best they were able to accomplish was elimination of the Public Option.
To Be Continued.
Al- Doug, I’m readin’ “At The Hour Of Death” Third Edition
by Osis and Haraldson.
I suspect that most of the posters at BC are boomers. I am.
It may be silly to point fingers at a generation but on the other hand who would question the wisdom, bravery and courage of our Founder’s generation?
There you have it. This whole mess happened on our watch because the supposed “good” men among us did nothing while evil had its way and prevailed.
Does that mean that those of us who believe that a society operating on Judeo-Christian principles will provide a richer and more humanized common good for all than the secular welfare state have an extra measure of responsibility to try and make it so? I think so.
ObamaCare is a bust-out whose economic logic was well illustrated in GOODFELLAS.
You gain control of executive power…
You then tap the institution’s complete credit capacity before vendors and creditors realize that there is absolutely no prospect that the tab will be paid.
In the meantime, your crew strips every asset in sight and then leaves the joint in flames.
Hugo has been busting out Venezuela for years.
Anytime a Gonnabee is given a true executive position you can bet he’ll destroy the institution and himself.
Drug and alcohol addled interview responses indicate that his vices are still being held back from view by the MSM as much as possible.
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One should expect collapsing tax receipts at all levels…
One should expect mega-insolvencies among the TBTF financials — they fail anyway…
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Government/Progressive meddling in the market is destroying price signals.
K-Street payola is destroying voting signals.
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If you noticed, ObamaCare has a provision whereby the State Bank of North Dakota is being given a license to meddle in the student loan market by way of Federal guarantees without limit.
AA thusly has been given a jolt of steroids.
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There is so much in ObamaCare that it can only be compared to the Enablement Act of Weimar infame.
The language of the bill provides sweeping powers of executive meddling in the economy, in education and the finance thereof…
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Matchless illegal immigration is a double edged weapon for BHO. If he whips it out he is dooming his brothers to second-class minority status. Obviously all of the AA policies will be spread to the Hispanic block; and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus will displace the CBC.
Already West Coast inner-cities are seeing mass remigration back towards Atlanta by the brotherhood. As this trend continues, black politicians will simply fade from the national scene as the generation passes.
125. bob:
“Look, Delia, women don’t have to get pregnant. It’s really mostly up to you.”
ZOMG! I didn’t realize I could impregnate myself!
The douche abides.
I’m glad my husband got a vasectomy since he enjoys sex a lot more than I. Especially if I can get more and longer enjoyment out of eating a plate of well prepared Sushi than I can out of a few seconds in the sackola. You boyz act like giving birth and being pregnant is somehow ‘nothing’. Your ‘quickie’ might mean a woman’s ’9 months’ of pain and misery. And some of ya men-folk, ya wonder why women look at sex as a ‘chore’? lol
As much as abortion sickens me, men who self-serve in the sack are just as sickening. It takes TWO to make an ABORTION. The disgusting and self-serving sex crap goes two ways. Men bitch and cry about child-support payments for frick’s sake. Talk about a bunch of Nancy boys.
AND, a ‘revolution’ has to start by changing minds and taking responsibility for our children’s education.
Just watch home-schooling be totally outlawed next.
Ignominious @107:
“I’ve heard that some state AGs are already talking about a suit in the courts. How likely is that to succeed?”
Not very:
“…This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding….”
Article VI, United States Constitution
As you can plainly see by reading the excerpt for article VI above, “…Judges in every State shall be bound thereby “…the Laws of the United States…shall be the supreme Law of the Land;…”
It’s made even clearer in the Federalist Papers that the founders intended Federal Government law to be very limited in scope, effecting only those very limited areas specifically allowed to the FedGov in the Constitutuion.
They also intended that the small number of FedGov laws would be superior to any countermanding State laws.
So, the Constitution says, as the founders intended, that FedGov law preempts State law.
The problem now is that the FedGov has gone far beyond the founders intended roll in nearly every way imaginable to them, and in many ways they could not have possibly imagined, to become Leviathan incarnate, and a far more egregious supressor of liberties and natural law than King George III ever was.
For the next several years, remedies are much more likely to be found from the barrel of a gun or at the ballot box than in a U.S. courtroom.
I find it hard to believe that ACORN is disbanding.
(to return under another name?)
120. bob:
Habu, for Christ’s sake, we’ve all got two cars, and garages, and homes, and shit, what’s to fight over ?
Bob, you’ve got so much to learn. What’s to fight over?
At Valley Forge many, many of those who stayed with Washington and the Army had NO clothes. Most had no shoes, yet they fought so you could make an ass out of yourself with the above comment, one of the shallowest I have ever read on this site.
I could go through all the battles fought , the cemetery at Arlington and Normandy but no doubt you would be impervious to believing we owe anything to the past generations that sacrificed all they had for one ideal…freedom.
Your eructation’s are a testament to your Richard Cranium Syndrome that is obviously blocking any understanding of the Bill of Rights and the Fourteenth Amendment which attached the Bill of Rights to the States.
Bob, it’s you who needs to step back and take a long hard look at whose shoulders you’re world was built on and then slip quietly into the night.
To all you gloom and doomers, remember there is one man (along with four others) in the United States that can put an end to the nonsense. John Roberts. You know, the Chief Justice of Supreme Court. You know, the one that just recently put the President of the United States on notice that he as the head of the third branch of government, the one that has the final say in all matters, didn’t take too kindly to the treatment of the Court during that last State of the Union. Mr. Obama has made himself a mighty enemy. Mr. Roberts gets to decide on his own judgement/whim what cases come before the big bench. Several state AGs have announced that they will file against this bill as soon as it is signed. Do any of you doubt for a moment that the Chief Justice won’t find that they have standing? That the law will not be brought before the Supremes to be judged on its constitionality? Given the exemptions given to several states at the expense of the other states there is no way it passes muster, let alone the mandates that apply to individuals. The best Obama can hope for is a 6-3 decision against him. But even Stevens and Ginsburg might have to vote against given its how unconstitutional this new law is and manner in which it was passed. And if the wise Latina has any sense she won’t want being the one vote in a 8-1 decision. Yep, Obama pissed off the wrong man. And to stick the knife in even further, Mr. Roberts will have Justice Thomas write the majority’s opinion. Null and void. Deader than six feet under.
Doug @133
My understanding is that Acorn is reflagging…
BHO has opened up the $$$$$ gates to eka-Acorn in any event.
Obamacare is repealable, and it’s a good bet it will be.
As Ace at Ace of Spades points out, this con job has a very small constituency that already votes Dem, and this monstrosity will be very expensive for everybody else. It’s almost like a suicide pact for the Dems unless they can rig all future elections. It is not Social Security or Medicare that have a large influential constituency. This is only for the victim class.
The constituency against this thing will be huge and will be hurting bad. There will be new high taxes on medical device innovation and the productive work effort, and there will be no catastrophe healthcare insurance policies anymore. All policies will be cadillac and expensive, !0k per person, 20K per family minimum and sure to rise quickly. However, because as Karl Denninger points out, it will be much cheaper to dodge the insurance and pay the fine for most people ( at least 1/5 the cost), insurance companies will quickly go broke because all pre existing conditions must be covered – same price for everyone at a soon to be government set price. So only mostly those with serious life threatening conditions will be paying insurance. Doctors will also likely flee and hospitals will close because this is just Medicare/Medicaid abuse on steroids.
Aside from the issues that trust in government has been completely destroyed and there is an implication in the Dems’ actions that there will never again be any real elections anymore, the real rub for healthcare is can this thing be repealed fast enough before the entire healthcare industry as we presently know it, is completely destroyed and ruined?
Bob: Unfortunately, revolts generally aren’t engaged in, or concluded, by those who don’t believe they are in a “revolutionary situation”.
Anyway, regarding the video: Begging your pardon sir…But there is more “dignity” to be found in a Nevada wh*re house.
Like many of you, I spent all day yesterday watching the debates via C-Span and today reading and listening to various voices. For me, last night’s vote was this generation’s shot that will fundamentally change the nature of the United States. Unless it can be repealed.
Amongst the many insults of last night, Obama and Pelosi’s claims that “Tomorrow you will wake up knowing you are insured.” My understanding is we will be taxed (beginning in six months?) and no benefits for four years. Six months brings us very close to the November elections – might be an excellent reminder to those who forgot March 21 by that time. By the way, I don’t buy Acorn’s insolvency – I think they’ll come out under a new name.
In addition to some of my previous comments of primary importance is our indivdual freedoms. They are usually lost in tiny increments over time. But another waits for Bob and us all….massive inflation.
I recommended a book several weeks ago This Time It’s Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly I am now concluding the 400+ page, heavily documented magnum opus and the conclusion of the authors Reinhart and Rogoff are not pleasant.
Their exhaustive research shows that this time is NO different and that hyperinflation is headed our way. I’m not talking about a simple fact like a 1970 dollar being worth only 3 cents today, I’m talking worldwide financial collaspe…..read the book and decide whether obama adding debt we will not be able to service will lead to peace and freedom or the inevitable slaughter coming on a worldwide basis.
Bob, I hope you have a good pair of shoes and some broadleaf trees for hygenic maintenence.
“White Riot” — The Clash
White riot – I wanna riot
White riot – a riot of my own
White riot – I wanna riot
White riot – a riot of my own
Black man gotta lot a problems
But they don’t mind throwing a brick
White people go to school
Where they teach you how to be thick
An’ everybody’s doing
Just what they’re told to
An’ nobody wants
To go to jail!
White riot – I wanna riot
White riot – a riot of my own
White riot – I wanna riot
White riot – a riot of my own
All the power’s in the hands
Of people rich enough to buy it
While we walk the street
Too chicken to even try it
Everybody’s doing
Just what they’re told to
Nobody wants
To go to jail!
White riot – I wanna riot
White riot – a riot of my own
White riot – I wanna riot
White riot – a riot of my own
Are you taking over
or are you taking orders?
Are you going backwards
Or are you going forwards?
White riot – I wanna riot
White riot – a riot of my own
White riot – I wanna riot
White riot – a riot of my own
But what are you going to substitute for the admitedly messy system we’ve got? Is Mrs. Rodgers down the street not to be Republican committee captain anymore? Some kind of dictatorship? Nobody wants that. Nobody is going to fight for it. We have to vote them out.
Eggplant: Here’s a counter question for you. Why did the scorpion riding on the back of the toad sting him in the middle of the stream they were crossing? Listen closely: there are no elected pro-life Democrats. To believe otherwise is to believe in unicorns. Stupak was doing his part to maintain a certain fiction, and then he came home to roost. Why the charade? Again, I refer you to the scorpion.
On the Catholic Mass: Yes, the craptasticness of the Novo Ordo was a disaster. I love the lesbian folk-singer tie-in, it is so approps. Long live the Latin Rite, and go find one.
On the Revolution: sign me up, and I’ll take the hot one over the cold. I’d rather be out on the street with a gun in my hand than cowering behind the door when the lawyered up G-Suits arrive with Kangaroo Kourt doKuments. I might stand a chance in the first case. Not the second.
On the Obamacare: You’re kidding me. What irony such poison is passed off as a health measure. Refer to the scorpion, again. On Tuesday they say, after Obama signs this turkey into law, the largest tax increase in American history (according to the CBO) will take effect. Later, the Bush tax cuts will expire. You heard that Smoot-Hawley was bad, didn’t you?
Habu
“Their exhaustive research shows that this time is NO different and that hyperinflation is headed our way. I’m not talking about a simple fact like a 1970 dollar being worth only 3 cents today, I’m talking worldwide financial collapse…..read the book and decide whether obama adding debt we will not be able to service will lead to peace and freedom or the inevitable slaughter coming on a worldwide basis.”
We don’t need to read the book, though it might pound home what we already have figured out by reading select web authors and financial figures.
In case you or no one else has noticed I and others have been telling everybody that “bad times are coming” or some variation of that and asking everyone to prepare for these upcoming times and problems.
You need to know that I have not spent, bartered and begged survival stuff for the last two years just on a whim or because I am crazy or stupid.
For example buying a multi-fuel generator is not something I would do unless I thought it necessary and a good investment. They are not cheap.
I would not spend money and go in hock to move to a different place on a whim or just to be one of the “in” survivalist crowd. I’m a practical, frugal guy and always have been.
But my voice, your voice and thousands of other voices telling people to prepare is falling on deaf ears or ears that just do not believe in what we say or just resign themselves and their families to faith.
Which is stupid and irresponsible, in my opinion.
Also…China is going to go down the tubes in the next very few years, they might want to annex California to bolster their economy. I say let them have it and choke on it.
Papa Ray
I’m talking about resurrecting the purpose of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and cleansing from the system the Federal governments intrusion into the affairs of each state thus restoring to it’s proper place the Tenth Amendment which has lost all meaning under our present situation. This is the incremental loss of liberty I talked about earlier.
Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
I fully realize to many it is atavistic to quote the Constitution or reference the notes on it (Farrand) , the Federalist papers etc. but brother we are a long way from original intent and the nexus of all power is now the Federal Government. That was not meant to be.
“The tree of liberty needs to be refreshed every now and then with the blood of patriots and tyrants” T. Jefferson…..November 13, 1787, letter to William S. Smith, quoted in Padover’s Jefferson On Democracy, ed., 1939.
Let us begin with the tyrants.
#142 bob
Voting them out is contingent on the existence of free, honest elections. Everything about this regime has been about ignoring the rule of law, the Constitution, and the accumulation of power outside the norms for this country. The very same politicians who for generations have dedicated themselves to smarmy, insincere pandering to retain power; have devoted themselves to deliberately attacking, insulting, and doing a very good job of pissing off the very voters they once pandered to. This is an anomaly. People act in characteristic ways, unless they have a new motive.
I’ve done a whole bunch of investigations, and I have put people in prison based on keying in on the anomaly.
What motive would cause what is, as Mark Twain said, “the only native American criminal class” [Congress] to act so outside of normal parameters.
It will either be reward; which can be delineated as either power beyond what they have now [and what they have now is a pretty good gig], money, or pleasures of the flesh [sex in various forms, drugs, etc]. There is a fourth possibility, ideology; which has other implications.
Or it will be fear of punishment. That can be removal of the power, money, or pleasures of the flesh they have. It could be threats to people or things that they love. It could be threats to their lives and health. Or it could be threats to an ideology that they love.
Or it could be the fact that they suddenly know that they have immunity for anything that they do, and they can act with impunity.
This is complicated by the fact that we are dealing with 59 Senators and a majority of the 250+ Democrat Representatives, almost all of whom are directly complicit. When you are dealing with numbers like this, there is always going to be a number who are, if not totally satisfied, are at least content with their current access to power, money, and pleasures of the flesh. And the amount of resources to bribe that many in whichever coin, and keep them bribed [these are politicians, after all] would be not inconsequential.
Once again, for punishment, that also involves a tremendous amount of resources, and there is the further complication of that with that many outsized egos; someone would have talked or acted to try to remove the threat. That does not match the facts on the ground.
The fourth possibility I mentioned, ideology, would tend to cause them to act consistently as a group; creating a voluntary conspiracy rather than a bunch of nervous individuals. Further, since they are acting consistently over time; one can postulate that there is a plan, which implies a planner or planners, and director or directors. That motivation could easily be ideology. In fact, that seems to lead the probabilities.
If a group of politicians are acting consistently, and deliberately, counter to every other action for generations, it means that someone has considered the reactions to that inconsistency, and knows that a mickle irritated electorate is going to get rid or the politicians at the first opportunity. And indeed, in all of the off year elections, especially those where Obama personally intervened, they have gotten various sensitive body parts handed to them. The most likely explanation for the continuing attacks on the sensibilities of the voters, despite this, is a belief that they are immune from the voters in November. The only possible immunity is something that either stops the vote, rigs the vote, or prevents the replacement of the politicians by elected successors.
Voting them out would be good, and working like hell to do so is indicated. But faced with the situation we have, it would be idiotic to assume that electoral politics will be successful, or even allowed to operate. At that point, consideration of tactical and strategic options in the event of the failure of the electoral system only makes sense.
And no, I am not a nice person. I am a cynical b*****d whose faith in the innate goodness of mankind, and even the human status of politicians, has to be measured with a scanning electron microscope. And I have learned that when I what I call “cop sense” makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck; there is something severely wrong that is just out of sight. Those hairs have been standing up for quite a while.
I hope to vote them out. However, neither hope nor change have worked out all that well lately.
Subotai Bahadur
bob does seem to be genuinely unhappy about the course of events, but unwilling to follow the logic to its infelicitous conclusions.
This underscores the problem facing the country.
It has been seen before, when a fascist regime in Germany began a deliberate program of extermination against those it had defined as a threat, or simply undesirable.
6 million + Gypsies, intellectuals, union shop stewards, communists, Episcopalian priests, Baptist pastors, Catholic priests & nuns, Lutherans, Presbyterians, homosexuals, feeble-minded, infirm, bed-ridden WWII veterans, and another 6 million + Jews, rounded up, transported by train to camps, gassed, shot, worked & starved to death.
Bill Whittle described his horror and disbelief seeing pictures of columns of civilian Jews being lead to be shot and thrown into pits by a handful of armed soldiers. He recalls asking his father, “They outnumbered the soldiers. Why didn’t they turn on them and overwhelm them?”
His father couldn’t answer.
Whittle speculated and surmised and wondered about this, and came up with one of his brilliant articles pondering. It all seems to boil down to the dreary conclusion that the people exterminated by the NAZIs simply could not believe that such barbarity could be happening, right up to the moment that the muzzle of the rifle was placed against the back of their head.
Well, we have the benefit of knowing – and thank you Mr. Whittle for making this point – that in the last century, more people have been murdered by their own governments than have died from attacks by foreign aggressors.
How many tens of millions of soviet citizens were liquidated by Stalin in the four decades of his reign? How many Chinese starved, shot, butchered by the enforcers and fanatics of Mao? How many Vietnamese re-educated to death by the regime from Hanoi? How many Cambodians killed by the Khmer Rouge, and Pol Pot? In Uganda during the long butchery of Idi Amin, bodies floated down the river through Kampala more or less continuously. In fact, most of the new member nations in the U.N. since WWII seem to have been established on a mountain of corpses by thugs and bloody tyrants.
And these murders usually were perpetrated against a population that had earlier been dis-armed by its government. The 800 thousand Tutsis murdered in Rwanda were mostly slaughtered with garden tools, while UN troops with rifles withdrew to safety.
And you think it can’t happen here?
Wake up.
“Elect conservatives and throw all of the bums out.”
Conservatives will conserve Obama’s gains, just as Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan conserved FDR’s, LBJ’s, and Carter’s gains.
The Republicans must demonstrate they are serious: in one state the Republicans control, abolish the state income tax. Otherwise I’m staying home in November.
Old Salt: There will be serious, probably dire economic and social consequences coming long before this socialist thing is implemented, which Obama and his party have no clue is coming.
OR, they fully comprehend the outcomes they seek and they’re very adept. They have a plan. If that’s the case, optimism defines wishful thinking. Intentionally wrecking the economy naturally leads to collapse, less civility, and the need for ever more frequent interventions by gov’t forces imposing marshall law. Either to put down civil unrest by the underclass for crimes against the increasingly unprotected haves, or to put down legitimate revolt by the productive class. Likely simultaneous in many locales, so it’ll make little difference to the “justifiers.”
Look for 25% actual unemployment rates for the private sector to become obvious by election time. And NO NEW JOBS TO BE HAD.
Massive reductions in tax collections at all levels, both because of worsening economic conditions, and because people stop paying, will instigate massive layoffs in gov’t at all levels. Anger everywhere. That’s their plan. But, if it doesn’t work this time, they get full-boat taxpayer-funded retirements and amnesty from prosecution.
Aragorn: “…but it is not this day. This day we fight. For all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you, stand Men of the West.” (Return of the King)
Does going Galt and Men of the West prepraring for the last stand mutually exclusive?
Working within the system and going Gault can be done at the same time. Which our group has and is doing. Speaking of that, I just ordered more water tanks and water purifiersfor our fall back Redoubt. Everybody was willing to kick in and get it done.
Scanning the posts here I am gratified (but not pleased in the conventional use of the word) to see others recognizing the fact that there is more going on than what most think. If you go back to some of my earlier comments from 08 and 09 (all over the net) you will see that I was saying the same things about (questioning) how they think they will not be punished by the voters or at the very least warning everyone what ACORN and affiliates had done and were involved in.
AND please don’t be fooled by the news and notion that ACORN is done, disbanded and disabled. That is just a smoke screen of disinformation.
We know that democrats and their backers take advantage of a crisis or manufacture one if they need to. Watch for that come election time or even before.
Things are not right in river city nor elsewhere. I can’t point to any one thing but like Subotai Bahadur, Mad Fiddler, Habu, Rex and others we know things are not exactly as they appear and that something bad goes there.
Prepare yourselves and your families.
Papa Ray
Papa Ray,
Thanks for the advice.
I imagine myself, like typical Americans, always thought there is still a chance to avoid all these upcoming unpleasantness. And 50% procastination habit, no doubt.
Even as I read from previous years (since 07) the dire warnings on this webpage and other places, there is this side of me thinking “No Way we will come to this!” I am remedy-ing that, hopefully it is not too late.
(Sigh!) I have yet to fully convince the other half always_right that this is all going to crash down around our ears. The rationality behind the ‘optimism’? “I’ve survived the Carter years before.” Even though I said ‘You survived the Carter years as a kid, not as an adult with responsibilities.’
By the way, Wretchard initiated this post with this note:
“At the 1:41 mark, the members of Congress are reminded to comport themselves accordingly.”
Mark, 1:41
“And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him I will; be thou clean.”
Seemed to relate to the situation at some level…
“Y Jesús, teniendo misericordia de él, extendió la mano, y le tocó, y le dijó, Quiero, sé limpio.”
146. Subotai Bahadur
Yes.
Look at how many elections Democrats were KNOWN to have stolen BEFORE 2008. Look at the last Minnesota senatorial election! The sick thing is that every one of us [here] knew before the charade began that Franken would eventually be declared the winner. We knew that somehow Democrats would find enough votes to pass Obamacare at the last minute.
It won’t matter how people vote in November. Enough Democrats will be “deemed” winners to keep us from regaining control of the government.
What will be Obama’s Reichstag fire?
If Mosab Hassan Yousef can be moved to reconsider hatred and choose the path of Jesus Christ, there is another reminder to have faith in the ultimate triumph of the right.
Oh, Reichstag fire, don’t you mean unnecessary war in Iraq? That was Bushs’ Reichstag fire, Why do you lie about the Minnesota election? The cleanest state election wise in the Union, you COUNT the votes and the one with the most votes wins. In democracies power changes hands and sometimes you win, and sometimes you loose,
and sometimes your meme is full of crap
wretchard,
(points up)
This is why I think you should go back to closing a thread down after 72 hours.