One of the standard reasons advanced whenever a terrorist attack occurs is that the Islamic world “hates us” for some reason or the other. An far simpler and more direct explanation is that terrorist attacks are fueled by their sympathizers in the West. They attack the West because they are given the tools to do so. Christian Caryl in Foreign Policy describes this process in great detail in his article Londonistan. Caryl asks how the UK became what Nigerian Nobel Prize winner Wole Soyinka described as a “cesspit” of Islamic radicalization. Soyinka accused Britain of harboring, in its arrogance, all kinds of venomous intellectual pets which it felt free to unleash upon lesser breeds without their Law of Accomodativeness.
“England is a cesspit. England is the breeding ground of fundamentalist Muslims. Its social logic is to allow all religions to preach openly. But this is illogic, because none of the other religions preach apocalyptic violence. … “This is part of the character of Great Britain. Colonialism bred an innate arrogance, but when you undertake that sort of imperial adventure, that arrogance gives way to a feeling of accommodativeness.”
Caryl’s answer is more prosaic. He argues that Britain is a cesspit because that’s where the money is: in the form of grants, the dole and celebrity. It’s a extremist-friendly place so Islamic extremists go there and learn all kinds of radical things. No mystery at all.
Haras Rafiq, a British Muslim who founded a think tank to combat Islamic extremism, worries that a big share of the blame goes to his own government. For decades, he says, Britain tolerated plotting by domestic Islamic radicals as long as they targeted other countries, often ones in the Middle East. “We gave them freedom to preach violence and extremism — [as long as] they were preaching it abroad and not in the U.K. They used that freedom to take over community organizations, mosques, TV stations,” he says. “They’ve been building capacity for their viewpoint.” He describes the radicals’ techniques as strikingly reminiscent of those of 20th-century communists and fascists. The Islamists have also mimicked the Irish Republican movement by using ostensibly non-violent political groups to covertly radical ends.
Once the cesspit “capacity” comes into existence it becomes a potent threat-in-being which the host is compelled to manage. One way to do this is by directing radical energies outwards or trying to buy them off. Either way the cesspit just gets deeper. The same dynamic may now be at work in the Obama administration’s relationship with Iran. Having let the Iranians, in the name of engagement get so far along on the road to developing a nuclear weapon, it becomes increasingly difficult for them to stop it now that it has built up momentum. Just like a rock which has been allowed to roll downhill, the time when it can be easily stopped is long past. Using the brake now becomes dangerous and the only easy strategy left is to simply keep steering the rapidly accelerating object around the playgrounds and schools in the hope of averting a complete disaster.
Ed Morrissey, writing in HotAir says that Obama can’t confront the deficit because too many people are on the gravy train for it stop. Even if the President tried to slam the brakes on it he would have the devil’s own job trying to convince his own party. So what he’s going to do is increase the deficit and try to buy his way past the opposition with backroom deals. Obama’s riding a bronco that he can’t get off.
What about Iran?
In the case of Iran the administration may be so invested in engagement that there’s really nowhere to go if they are to avoid writing it off as a dead loss. Michael Goodwin in the NY Post says that if Israel informed the US that it was about to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities, President Obama would probably exert pressure on them to hold off while he gave it ‘one more try’. But that was the policy road which created the crisis in the first place and the delay would build rather than reduce the accumulating tensions.
He would notify world leaders and probably try to get China and Russia to lean on Iran to agree to a halt in enrichment. He might even warn Iran himself that the attack was coming unless it stopped enriching. Above all, we can be certain he would try to buy time to avoid a showdown, which is exactly what he has been doing for the last year. That, by the way, is the same feckless policy that has produced this nightmare scenario.
The bigger a radical cesspit London becomes the more grants are likely to be handed out there. Like a firestorm it becomes a blaze that eventually stokes itself. Iran might be the same way. History is replete with examples of problems that have just been kicked down the road leaving an increasingly harder job for everyone who followed until the problems simply flared up and consumed the host. Whether the problem is a growing radical Islamic community in London, or a budget deficit, or Iranian nuclear ambitions, politicians normally avoid bringing matters to a head until unforeseen events force them to confront it. Maybe a crisis is really just another name for a long-simmering problem that politicians can no longer avoid.
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There are certain signs that should show when this crisis become acute.
Saudi oil parked in tankers outside Hormuz.
Anti-missile batteries to the UAE.
Double coverage by our carrier task forces.
Rise in the oil futures market.
Anything else?
A Marrocan friend(who is no more a muslim believer) put that video on Twitter, “what does this a*hole makes in GB”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayRUJJW9ZdE
If this jihadist had hold the same discourse by us, the anti-terrorists brgades would have trapped him, but apparently he is free in UK
One of the most fascinating things about the financial crisis is that while many people knew something of the sort was building no one knew exactly when the dam would burst. In 2007 Paulson said,
Paulson clearly thought the worst was over or he was dissimulating. But I think not. Most people kept thinking, “it’ll happen someday, but not tomorrow”. When the actual tomorrow came, when the deadly date occurred everyone was surprised on the day. Almost everyone knew that a Japan was probably going to start something in December 1941. Yet when that fatal Sunday dawned it was still a surprise.
My guess is that nobody actually knows where the break in the trajectory is, whether we are talking about a second financial collapse, a new mass casualty attack or a problem in Iran. Edward Luttwak has a sarcastic article in the Daily Beast making fun of the CIA prediction that an al-Qaeda attack will come someday, somewhere.
The point is cover your ass. As for the rest of your anatomy, your face is your bumper.
With apologies to De Morgan
Great radicals love other radicals, they have their backs and incite ‘em,
And those radicals embrace other radicals, and so on …ad infinitum.
Until those great radicals themselves, in turn, incite grander radicalized nations;
While these again incite greater still, and greater still, until complete annihilation.
The first question is how has this come about?
This is like the question “Why are ivy Leaguers more successful?” Are they successful because what they learn makes them successful, or are they successful because the screening process is so selective the schools get the cream to begin with, or are they successful because they’ve instantly networked with all the movers and shakers of a generation?
Do the jihadists learn to be nasty by coming to England and they learn neat things, or because if you can get by in England you have been screened and have the skills to apply your nastiness anywhere in the West, or are they drawn to England because it is the place for nasties to go for camaraderie?
Why are they welcome in England? Is automatic British citizenship awarded to anyone born in a former colony? Quebec, I’m told, has a similar program that makes it easy to get Canadian citizenship for anyone born in a former French colony, Morocco, Syria, Tunisia,…
On not seeing the tipping point (a la Paulson): I’m reading The Quants, about the math types who ran the big hedge funds. Besides his florid adjectives, the author points out that none of these eccentric, against-the-grain bright fellows saw the crunch coming. One was even about to launch an IPO!
I believe the reasons the UK has harbored so many terrorists for so long was based on a terrificly misguided notion among the “experts”. They admitted millions of Muslims into their midst believing they were providing safe haven for “dissidents” from extremely oppressive and brutal Muslim regimes. In a hideous way, this was true, but in a very twisted fashion these Muslims were not “dissidents” in any cultural sense familiar to the West. Many of the Muslims seeking asylum over the last 3-4 decades from various Islamic tryrannies are advocates of even more brutal, ferocious, and barbaric forms of Islam than those under which they claimed to suffer. For decades the erroneous assumptions by Western elites, politicians, and “experts” on Islam has promoted the nightmarish lie that we were protecting “Islamic freedom fighters” from arrest, torture, and death in those Islamic nations.
Once arrived on our shores, those millions of Muslim fascists benefitted tremendously by generous social support programs in the West. They have been further abetted by Saudi, Gulf, other Jihad nations like Iran who provided money, infrastructure (building of mosques, stipends for “Islamic scholars” at Western academies, Islamic think tanks, PR firms, Muslim Jihad charities, Muslim lobbying outfits, subsidies for the Hajj, scholarships for Muslim students in Academies, salaries for Imam/Jihad coordinators, etc)
Ten thousand beachheads have been established for Islam on our infidel shores, footholds from which to wage Jihad. These Western pols, academics, media figures have woefully miscalculated in their assessments, and they have led us deeply into the Jihadi Jungle we now find ourselves trapped within. They have betrayed the West, and sowed the seeds of our destruction. Rather than facing the consequences of their titanic blunders regargind Islam, rather than stemming the tide of Jihad which is slowly engulfing us in blood, those same Pols, media, academics, and Islamic “experts” are applying ever thicker coats of whitewash, troweling on the BS, repeating their nonsense about the “Religion of Peace” and “a Great World Religion Hijacked By Extremists”, and the Jihad continues unabated.
There is plenty to be furious about the poisonous arrival of Islam in the West, but I must say hearing a UK Muslim “reformer” or a Nigerian “nebel winner” suggest that the UK was somehow happy to see their imported Jihadis attack others as long as they didn’t attack the UK is downright poisonous — I believe this is propaganda designed to deflect infidel attention away from where it properly belongs: squarely on Islam and Muslims.
This is projection. This ploy is the one employed by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and other Jihad terror nations. It was idiocy and cravenness in the West, not some fondness for Jihad which made this predicament. But I guess when a “Nigerian Nobel Prize winner Wole Soyinka described [the UK] as a “cesspit” of Islamic radicalization…”, one might think of such a thing as a Black calling the Kettle Pot. I’m sure most Nigerians would be all around experts in the study of cesspits, and especially Islamic ones. The same hypocracy must be laid on “Haras Rafiq, a British Muslim who founded a think tank to combat Islamic extremism…” He too blames Britain and suggests that they happily harbord terrorists as long as the UK was not the target. This lets his precious Islam off the hook – furthers the lie that the “extremists” are “hijackers” of Islam, rather than accurate manifestations of genuine Islam. This line is always the same from the so-called “reformers” of Islam – Islam is never to blame – Muslims are never to blame – it is always the “infidel” civilization which is to blame for Jihad, or the “infidel” government, but never Islam – never Muslims themselves.
One or two additional thoughts.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Isn’t it easier to watch radical Islam if it thinks its safe in England?
From time to time there’s a great clamor “why haven’t we killed Bin Laden?” as if that would put a stop to all the world’s terrorist problems. I’d like to think we have an idea where he is and we watch him like a tethered goat.
I wonder if there are places where we can watch aspiring young idiots and catalog them for plucking later.
“On one hand, we’re supposed to “celebrate” our differences at the same time as it is racist and taboo to recognize that any differences between groups of people exist at all. This is hardly logically coherent, which is why Multiculturalism can only be enforced by totalitarian means… We are told to treat cultural and historical identities as fashion accessories, shirts we can wear and change at will. The Multicultural society is “colorful,” an adjective normally attached to furniture or curtains… We should remember that this view of culture as largely unimportant is essentially a Marxist view of the world (unnatural government enforcement of “equality” between all things which are naturally and self-evidently unequal)… We never had a thorough de-Marxification process after the Cold War, similar to the de-Nazification after WW2, and we are now paying the price for this. Many Marxist ideas have been allowed to endure and mutate, such as the notion that culture is unimportant or that it is OK to stage massive social experiments on hundreds of millions of people… But Marxist ideals of forced equality can only be enforced by a government with totalitarian powers, and will thus inevitably lead to a totalitarian society. There is no “enlightened Marxism,” and the idea that there is has ruined more lives than probably and other ideology in modern history. Marxism is an organized crime against humanity.” Fjordman
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2125/print
A thought experiment. Let us imagine an alternate reality in which EVERYTHING is the same EXCEPT Islam does not exist. All the people who are Muslims in this reality are … Buddhists or Christians or Bahai or Jews or something else in the other.
Would London be a cesspit of jihadist terror?
The answer is no. The same fawning worship of power, violence, and anti-Western culture would still be there, but not the means by which a tolerated violence grows.
London is important not because somehow it magically transforms Muslims from nice, decent, law-abiding chaps who hug trees and love the infidel and buy the world a coke, or a pepsi, but because it allows the TRUE expression of Islam, outside of the political control of the native authorities, to take form.
If it was not London, it would be Somalia, or Pakistan, or Indonesia, or the Philippines, or Malaysia, or India, or the Sudan. It was, at one point, we will recall, Afghanistan. Yes it is important as a matter of political hygiene to use Wretchard’s cesspit metaphor, to clean out London and not allow pretty much ANY Muslim expression (since you cannot take the Jihad and Sharia out of Islam or Muslims).
But that won’t solve the problem.
Ultimately it is accepting the wisdom of Robert Frost. “Good Fences make good neighbors.” I would not want Frost for love poetry (Pablo Neruda is preferable there) but for public policy, the flinty New Englander knew the ins and outs of human nature better than Neruda. The West needs fences strung around it. With only those agreeable let in, and then only in small numbers. To maintain social cohesion if nothing else.
Obama if he knew that Israel was about to attack Iran, would himself launch an attack on Israel to stop it, and would certainly retaliate by attacking Israel. He and Samantha Power, his national security advisor, who mused about invading Israel to destroy it and install Hamas, have made that clear. Israel like the Jews in Europe in 1939 will have to decide to go out fighting, or simply try and buy another day before being slaughtered anyway.
I have no doubt US forces in the Gulf have standing orders from Obama to shoot down Israeli jets heading towards Iran. Or missiles for that matter. Orders that of course will be obeyed. This is just one of the costs of electing “the First Black President.” In that he acts like one (the notorious anti-Semitism of the Black Community given full expression, Sharpton-Jackson-Farrakhan-like). It was no accident that a Southside Chicago pol like Obama found fellowship with Rashid Khalidi, of the PLO.
The problem is that the West for decades, during the Late Cold War, and afterwards, had convinced itself that somehow history had changed and that by being “nice” and uber-PC the fundamental aspects of human character and history would be avoided. The wealth and power of the West bred laziness, helped along by the greatly enhanced position of women who brought their own worst along with best instincts to the fore.
Thus the West takes the love poetry of Neruda as its public policy, forgetting what it once knew of Frost’s “Good fences make good neighbors.”
Lest anyone think I am exaggerating, look at what Ed Driscoll on this site has blogged upon here. If anything this tends to support my spoils thesis on race relations and identity groups wanting “what is theirs.”
Only through suffering is the truth revealed.
“At the heart of multiculturalism is a lie: that all cultures are equally “valid.” To accept that proposition means denying reality – the reality of any objective measure of human freedom, societal health, and global population movement. Multiculturalism is not the first ideology founded on the denial of truth. You’ll recall Hermann Goering’s memorable assertion that “two plus two makes five if the Fuhrer wills it… It is secularism its self which is part of the problem, not the solution, since secularism is precisely what created the Euro spiritual/moral vacuum into which Islamism has rushed headlong… Post-Christian European culture is already post-cultural and, with its surging Muslim populations, will soon be post-European.” Mark Steyn – America Alone
“The advantage for the United States and, to a lesser extent, other parts of the English-speaking world is that Europe is ahead in the line, and its fate may wake up even the most blinkered on this side of the Atlantic… But the fact remains: Europe is dying and America isn’t…. So here’s a radical thought for Will Hutton and the Europeans: instead of calling for America to “join the world,” why not try calling on Europe to rejoin the real world?… here’s an ever more radical thought: why doesn’t “the world” try joining America?… A North Country non-gun owner might tire of all the Second Amendment kooks with the gun racks in the pickups and move somewhere where everyone is, at least officially, a non-gun owner just like him: Washington, D.C., say, or London. And suddenly he finds that, in a wholly disarmed society, his house requires burglar alarms and window locks and security cameras… it’s the Christian fundamentalists, Holy Rollers, born-again Bible Belters, and Jesus freaks of Godly America who are rational and skeptical, especially of Euro-delusions. It’s secular Europe that’s living on faith. Uncowed by Islamists, undeferential to government, unshriveled in its birth rates, redneck America is a more reliable long-term bet.” Mark Steyn – America Alone
But America lives on the same planet as everyone else and there’s a chance that eventually something will give. Maybe we won’t see it coming any better than the financial crisis, but with so much dry tinder around — teetering economies, extremist ideologies, powerful new technologies, nuclear weapons and delusional “world leaders” — how long before some spark sets something going?
I don’t think we can anticipate the spark of history to any great extent. The only long term response is to build up a lot of stored energy so that if and when a crisis does come there will be a rational and effective response. My worry is that the politicians are de-energizing the systems — eating the seed corn — to meet short term demands and when the real crunch comes there’ll be no reserves.
How about a voice of reason:
Dr. Thomas Sowell
I wonder if he could be persuaded to run for public office….?
Most likely not.
Papa Ray
Gordon @ 6: On not seeing the tipping point (a la Paulson): I’m reading The Quants, about the math types who ran the big hedge funds. Besides his florid adjectives, the author points out that none of these eccentric, against-the-grain bright fellows saw the crunch coming. One was even about to launch an IPO!
Do not assume that just because a quant was about to launch an IPO that he did not know a collapse was imminent, maybe he just thought he had more time. That’s the way these guys roll.
I caught Paulson’s act on Charlie Rose last night. I thought he was being mildly informative, until he repeated the – er, statement – that wretchard quotes above, that he thought the mortgage problems would be “contained”. Actually, he denied, to Rose’s amazement, that he saw “a problem” coming. That may be a literal truth, but a figurative lie. “Contained” is still a problem, and a big one. Just not nearly as big as it turned out. Both aspects of the statement piss me off majorly, that he could be so blind to the real problem, and so blase about even the lesser one. He even contradicts himself, because NOW he says the Chinese erred in demanding so low an interest rate for their money. No doubt he means for bonds, but the Chinese surely hold many billions of MBS as well, that Paulson and his buddies sold to them under false pretenses, even among “sophisticated” agents. The arrogance of Paulson’s falsity are at the core of this entire crisis, no matter Paulson’s earnestness and probable belief in his own good intentions.
So, to the topic.
Could we have seen it coming?
To quote the pomos: It is always coming.
To quote Jefferson: Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
We too famously coddled the Taliban when they were the enemy of our enemy in Afghanistan, as we coddled Sadam Hussein when he opposed Iran. As Gladstone’s British Empire famously backed the weaker of its opponents against the stronger. As Saruman backed the Dunlanders against Rohan. As Cortez backed the Tlaxcalteca (or they backed him) against the Aztecs. So, was it a special sign of British weakness to coddle some useful jihadis? I think not.
wretchard @ 13: I don’t think we can anticipate the spark of history to any great extent. The only long term response is to build up a lot of stored energy so that if and when a crisis does come there will be a rational and effective response. My worry is that the politicians are de-energizing the systems — eating the seed corn — to meet short term demands and when the real crunch comes there’ll be no reserves.
Quite.
And maybe the rise and fall of empires is a natural rhythm, too.
Stuff happens.
None have ever caught him yet
For Tom, he is the master.
His songs are stronger songs,
And his feet are faster.
w/13; –re ‘de-energizing systems’, for example, the system that has prevented world wars since 1945. Here’s the WSJ on the new treaty with Russia, all but a done deal. Midway through the article, is this sentence, with no referential context anywhere in the text.
But monitoring of a key ballistic-missile site in Russia, which ended in 2008, won’t resume, according to officials familiar with the accord.
Wonder what it means?
Please look at
‘Jihad and Genocidal Islamic Anti-Semitism in Shi’ite Iran (PJM Exclusive)’
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/jihad-and-genocidal-islamic-antisemitism-in-shi%e2%80%99ite-iran-pjm-exclusive/
I appreciate reading everyone on this site but don’t have the words to articulate my thoughts better than this article.
Buddy, Buddy, Buddy. You have the gift of sublime subtlety my friend. We know what it is. We know what it will do. We know how it works. We even know who controls it. We know how to stop it as well. What we don’t know is when… And without that knowledge we had best be just like an Eagle Scout.
Something is coming, and the fear is that that something will be unimaginably horrific. But the future, like the present, is ephemeral. There is more to life than life. Before the battle of Kadesh, Pharaoh Ramses II prayed to Re-Harakhty, Horus of the Horizon, while the Hittite King Muwatalli prayed to Mother Hebat and Warrunkatti. Caesar prayed to Jupiter, Hannibal prayed to Baal, and both Lincoln and Bobby Lee prayed to the God of their fathers. All of us, and all before and after us, briefly walk the sands of time before embarking on that long journey. Some believe that life’s journey ends in eternal life, while others believe it leads only to the darkness of the grave. Whether full of trials and travail, or all honey and roses, I believe life’s journey is the same for all of us; a short walk on the beach of the sands of time, before we meet He who made us.
Alone on the beach with the sky turning gray
The timeless sea murmuring low
Our minds try to reach out to the coming day
But deep in our souls this we know
That we are but one of the coarse grains of sand
That God in his wisdom has placed
On all of the beaches that make up the band
Of star worlds that His Son has graced
Alone on the beach with the coming of dawn
Our thoughts turn to God’s holy might
We know none will miss us for long when we’re gone
And walk down that path toward the light
The universe moves on without us it seems
As hard as it is to believe
The stars do not care for our hopes and our dreams
And its only ourselves who will grieve
Alone on the beach with our wonder to give
As the murmuring sea sheds the night
We know that with God’s grace we always will live
Safe and warm in our God’s holy sight
If London didn’t have Islamists, it would have been some other equivalent group. Both St. John Philby and Kim Philby betrayed their King on behalf of a foreign totalitarian ideology; the main difference between father and son was which idol each decided to worship.
Children are hardwired to sense strength and weakness. Likewise, barbarians sense weakness in any neighboring civilization. This weakness isn’t a “left/right” issue. Cultural defeatism can come in many variations.
When I say that “western civilization” is dead, I don’t say this out of a sense of defeat, but rather out of a sense of rebirth. We can build anew. Moreover, when refer to “western civilization” as dead, this is a flat-out challenge toward the Left to stop trying to destroy old institutions and try building new ones instead. Besides, when Nietzsche proclaimed that “God is dead”, Muslims didn’t hear his comment the way Europeans did. The Islamist reaction has been, “Your god is dead and ours is not. So now we will conquer you.” My reply is, “Yes, God died. And now He has come back to life.”
The twentieth century changed humanity, in some ways for the worse, in some ways for the better. In my estimation, Europe has changed more within the last century than in the previous three centuries combined. No longer can we talk of a civilization revolving around the Latin language – that is gone. The English language now reigns supreme.
Islam is an inherently opportunistic religion. It always has been. It always will be. Yet, our enemies are not terribly difficult to defeat. They are narrow-minded intellectual parasites who generally let their enemies do the thinking for them. They are nowhere near as bright as commonly supposed by American media and academe. Our enemies are just a bunch of rich frat boys. The reason why they fight is because neither Europe nor the Anglosphere bother to wage serious psychological warfare against them.
The reason why our enemies attack our monumental architecture is because they are attempting to destroy the psychological effect that our monumental architecture has upon them. Our monuments bother them. They attack our monuments to deter us from building any more in the future. The most sensible reaction to such a strategy is to build bigger imposing monuments and more of them. And yes, to our enemies, size matters.
“Those who ought to know better nourish our crazy dreams of resurrection and redemption; those safely beyond the borders of our madness underwrite our lunacies.”
~ Shiva Naipaul
“Journey to Nowhere”
That was written thirty years ago – we’re not ‘safely beyond the borders’ anymore, but every bit as obtuse as before and still at it…
We have ourselves to blame for this: politicians aren’t going to change unless we stop voting out those who are willing to speak the truth. It is going to take something catastrophic; hopefully it won’t be too catastrophic.
Events dear boy, events.
Harold Macmillon
Alexis, 20
Human liberty is the American monumental architecture; freedom of speech, press, assembly and religion more than bothers totalitarian Islam – it is an existential threat. They hate us because we are free – all totalitarian governments and cultures hate free people. Human liberty is the most powerful force on Earth because, along with love and creativity, it renders us in God’s image.
For the Israelis time is running out… and they know it. We’ll wake up to Fox News or CNN some morning in the “near tomorrow” reporting that “it appears that an explosion occurred in the earths upper atmosphere over the Persian Gulf”…The EMP bomb will be shaped to “mostly” take out all of Iran’s above ground and non shielded electronics. Will it become WWIII ? If the Russians and the Chinese decide to “not waste a crisis” then maybe. Or maybe, the non-Islamic world will silently applaud the Israelis while loudly denouncing them.
MC/2
Have watched your linked video. Chilling but not unexpected. I have reason to believe you live in or near Poitiers, and so have more reason than most to understand the threat of Islam, and what must be done to destroy it. My question is, are the French people waking to the danger of internal Islam, or are they more like the British?
Walt
@25 SIGINTEL
“Or maybe, the non-Islamic world will silently applaud the Israelis while loudly denouncing them.”
It has long been my contention that the Left not only expects Israel to destroy the Iranian nuclear capability but counts on it – it is as cynical and cowardly a position as can be imagined but I have heard many a self-styled ‘anti-Zionist’ proclaim (without a trace of irony) that any concern about Iranian nukes is merely a stalking horse for right-wing extremism because “the Israelis would never let it happen”
Didn’t both Marx and Lenin study in London before founding a new crime dynasty?
As for Obama, you need to realize that from his perpective everything is fine. CRA worked very well and all kinds of poor unfortunates got their own homes. And there were unanticipated side benefits as well. Large numbers of people for who the CRA was not really supposed to aid got the idea that buying an overpriced mansion or flipping houses for 20% gains was some kind of a right – and were P.O.ed when on Bush’s watch the party came to and end. And the economy tanked at such a time to sweep Obama into office and enable him to push government control of private industry.
Yep, it’s all going good. Nationalized Healthcare, the war as a courtroom exercise, gays openly in the military, closing Gitmo, every Leftist fable is coming true. And there is plenty of Design Margin left because there always has been.
Now as for that international stuff, you just need to keep it up and the Iranians will realize that It’s All About The O and get friendly.
Someone should do a poster with Obama saying “What Me Worry?” After all, he already has Alfred E. Neuman’s ears.
“But monitoring of a key ballistic-missile site in Russia, which ended in 2008, won’t resume, according to officials familiar with the accord.”
Buddy, I don’t know just what they mean but the Theater Missile Treaty (INF Treaty) allowed for monitoring of likely sites in the U.S. and Russia (e.g., Cape Canaveral) – and it has expired and won’t be renewed because the Warsaw Pact went out of business.
Alexis: …when Nietzsche proclaimed that “God is dead”, Muslims didn’t hear his comment the way Europeans did. The Islamist reaction has been, “Your god is dead and ours is not. So now we will conquer you.” My reply is, “Yes, God died. And now He has come back to life.”
What people see with 9-11 and Muslim suicide bombers and a million people in India killed by religious riots at the time of Partition and Irish Catholics fighting British Protestants and Pat Robertson saying that God sent Katrina to wipe out the entire city of New Orleans because Ellen DeGeneris lived there is that God is not love. God is hate and war. So when you have the Islamic group in the UK called al-Ghurabaa declare, “Any Muslim that denies that terror is a part of Islam is kafir” (unbeliever) it does not serve to convert others to belief in the Creator or an afterlife with a bayt al-ridwan or garden of delights, it drives them far away, whether that God is called God, Allah, Yahweh, Jesus, Hubbard, or any of that sheet.
In February of 1972 I was hitchhiking from Dublin to Belfast. I got picked up by a gentleman — well, maybe not so gentle — on his way to visit his brother, who was interned by the British. At the time they could intern British subjects suspected of terrorism (the IRA bombing campaign was going full tilt at the time) and hold them for considerable time without trial. From talking to the brother, I gathered the Brits were not making a lot of mistakes in their choice of involuntary guests (“the boys” as he called them). They were Irish Catholics being interned, so there may have been a centuries long tradition involved.
I suspect a similar policy as regards Islamic terrorism would empty Britain of most of its Islamist militants real quick. They would probably move to Berlin or Hamburg and study flying, rather then spend time in a damp cell. Of course, there is no going back to the bad old days of 1972.
Related to this: “The same dynamic may now be at work in the Obama administration’s relationship with Iran. Having let the Iranians, in the name of engagement get so far along on the road to developing a nuclear weapon, it becomes increasingly difficult for them to stop it now that it has built up momentum. Just like a rock which has been allowed to roll downhill, the time when it can be easily stopped is long past. Using the brake now becomes dangerous and the only easy strategy left is to simply keep steering the rapidly accelerating object around the playgrounds and schools in the hope of averting a complete disaster.”
is this, from Winston Churchill:
“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. ”
We’re somewhere near the end of the quote
Wretchard @ 13: “there’s a chance that eventually something will give”
If I may be so bold — there is a gut-cinch certainty that eventually something will give.
What we don’t know is whether it is going to be a collapsing dollar/euro/yen, the onset of peak oil, the inevitable failure of government social security Ponzi schemes, a Black Death-like plague, the mother of all earthquakes, or …. What we do know is that the structure of our societies, around the globe, have become increasingly rickety. We live in a termite-riddled house, waiting for the winter storm.
I have wondered what it must have been like to live in the early 1900s or in the 1930s. Lots of people saw the problems growing, but they were not able to do anything about it. The difference today is that there are no clearly defined battle lines – no Kaiser building a navy to challenge the Brits; no Japanese raping Manchuria. Yes, Iran will wipe out Israel if it gets half a chance, and dominate the Middle East once it does so. But Iran does not seek to overpower Europe — Europe’s tribute will be enough.
It makes me wonder if the right course of action today is to accept that this wonderful world our forebearers built is doomed. We have finally built a world in which an ordinary Dane can afford not only to travel to Turkey for a long weekend in the sun, he can afford to have a second home there. And now it is all going to blow away.
We should be focusing on how to carry the seeds of knowledge through to the other side of whatever lies ahead. Because we know that humanity survived the 20th Century; humanity will surely survive the 21st. Since organized communities are more likely to survive than individuals, my bet is that the seed-carriers to the new world will be the US military and the Mormon Church. Which may be a very good thing for the long-term future of humanity.
Teresita, with all due respect (and let me preface by saying I mean that and have no interest whatsoever in convincing you of God’s existence) “people” may very well respond as you say but in doing so they are confusing the concept of a Creator with the behavior of human beings. I don’t see how you can deny the existence of a higher power and in the same breath grant some kind of spiritual legitimacy to any dangerous fool who comes down the pike just because he claims divine sanction for his deeds. If you don’t believe in God, so be it, but the lousy behavior of other people is really beside the point, whatever excuses they might make for themselves.
Iran DOES seek to dominate Europe. It has already styled itself the protector of Europe’s Muslims. As of course France had styled itself the protector of Lebanon’s Christians a near century ago. That is the purpose of ever-expanding missile ranges for its missiles.
To be able to nuke say, Winchester to make London an Islamic republic. Or perhaps Copenhagen. Or Poitiers.
The very next crisis is likely to be the bursting of the Chinese Real Estate Bubble, which is like Dubai squared. Though it might be a race between the EU’s Euro-meltdown. Portugal, Spain, and Italy are seeing huge yield rises as their bonds go to Greek junk status. Portugal has no political will to get an austerity budget to stay in the EU, nor does Greece, Spain, and Italy. Yet Germany and France will not bail them out. They’ll probably default and bring down the whole EU and Eurozone currency.
Politics making the financial adjustments impossible. That’s a presaged bit of what will happen when the Feds cannot continue to shovel money to make up for State shortfalls. Nearly every State cannot meet its budget, and they are all unwilling to cut spending (indeed they cannot thanks to the stimulus).
Mr Twain said:
“Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company”
He was a bitter old man at the time, having suffered many losses and succumbing to the temptation of Job: “curse God and die”.
There are some folks who are tone deaf to the Transcendental: there are others who come to an acceptance of it by Reason, others by Revelation. Different strokes for different folks, across the spectrum of humanity.
whiskey @ 10: Great thought experiment. Road not taken.
K/33; my bet is that the seed-carriers to the new world will be the US military and the Mormon Church. Which may be a very good thing for the long-term future of humanity
This whole dream . . . Was it wishful thinking? Was I just fleeing reality like I know I’m liable to do? But me and Edwina, we can be good, too. And it seemed real. It seemed like us. And it seemed like . . . well, our home. If not Arizona, then a land not too far away . . . where all parents are strong and wise and capable, and all children are happy and beloved. I don’t know. Maybe it was Utah.
(closing lines of Coen Bros’ “Raining Arizona”)
***
Eric Holder watch:
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/93250/
“Chiquita Brands International Inc., owner of the namesake banana label, must face a lawsuit accusing it of helping Marxist rebels in Colombia who murdered five American missionaries a decade ago. . . . The families accused the grower of prompting attacks on Uniban, the seller of Turbana brand bananas and plantains based in Medellin, Colombia, and soliciting the FARC to burn the competitor’s supplies and block its exports. Chiquita paid the FARC to intimidate labor unions and sabotage rival growers as a means of ’squashing competition and assuring defendants of an accommodating labor force,’ the families said. ” Interestingly, Eric Holder was representing Chiquita until he became Attorney General.
(bolding mine. Remember, this is the wing of the party that will not allow the Colombia Free Trade Agreement anywhere near the floor of the House –even to the point of Pelosi changing ancient house rules to effect same.)
not ”Raining” –”Raising” Arizona. (sigh)
Limpet6,
I wonder if there are places where we can watch aspiring young idiots and catalog them for plucking later.
1. Model UN
2. Congress (well Barney is young at heart)
3. in any elective course where Foucault is on the curriculum
My suspicion is that it might make more sense to identify wannabe thought police nazi mothers. They do tend to roost in committees. While the apple does sometimes role from the tree that is often the places to look for saplings or saps.
Kinuachdrach: Yes, Iran will wipe out Israel if it gets half a chance, and dominate the Middle East once it does so. But Iran does not seek to overpower Europe — Europe’s tribute will be enough.
I can’t believe you wrote that. Iran fought Iraq for eight years and it was a draw. We fought that same Iraq for three weeks and their army melted away into the population rather than get shot, and we found their Maximum Leader hiding in a spider hole.
Iran can’t “wipe out” Israel the instant they get their first nuclear bomb. First of all, they have to build more than one bomb, so they can test their design. Then they have to figure out how to miniaturize their design so it will fit on a missile or fighter plane, because Iran doesn’t have any big bombers.
Iran isn’t working on a thermonuclear “metro-area killer” but just a fission bomb, the kind we use merely as triggers for a fusion bomb. The Hiroshima fission bomb killed 70,000 people out of 300,000. That was a city made of paper. Israel has underground shelters. So cut that death rate in half. Call it 35,000 deaths per nuke. Suppose Iran manages to get five nukes through the IDF air force and missile defenses and hit the five largest cities: Jerusalem, Tel-Aviv-Yafo, Haifa. Rishon Lezion, and Ashdod. That’s 175,000 dead Jews out of 7.4 million. The nation survives. And they bring 100% of their military might to bear on Iran, now that the nuclear “taboo” was broached. The result of that will be an Iran that is in no shape to demand “tribute” from anyone, ever again.
Morton @ 7:
Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner! Best take down on truth I have heard in a long time. Islam is the spoiled 16 yo kid who has NEVER had to take responsibility for it’s actions. It is wired as either psycho- or sociopath – doesn’t matter – and simply cannot take responsibility. It will cast around as much as possible and never, ever grow up.
wretchard @ 13: “….how long before some spark sets something going?”
And the terrible if’s…..? Time is growing short I think.
Alexis @ 20: “Our monuments bother them.”
That is … astute. We are much too kind …. until it is time not to be. That time may be soon approaching.
I have said before it is time to reform the Irish monasteries … sort of. I wish I could publish my shot of the Upper Lough @ Glendalough. St. Kevin formed the monastery to protect and preserve the culture that was …. until it was time to bring it back into the light. As did St. Columba (Colm Cille) @ Iona.
I wrote the above before I read Kinuachdrach @ 33. Where is your Iona? Who will write the Book of Kells?
Ms.T – Iran just launched a mouse in orbit – while this sounds like a joke. They are working on rocketry to put weapons in space.
In addition, once Iran develops nucs – they’ll give them to hez or other terrs – then they have denyability.
I can’t imagine that Israel would launch a first strike on Iran unless it were in the throes of ultimate desperation, such as if they were convinced that Iran was definitely going to strike Israel, either directly (or more dangerously) via proxy in such a way as to make it politically difficult for Israel to defend itself.
The threat of proxy attack is actually destabilizing because it creates the possibility of a WMD version of a protracted attrition scenario, which Israel can never win. If it doesn’t respond to a proxy WMD attack, then the precedent for further attacks will be established. Now would such a thing as a proxy attack ever happen? I have my doubts, but there could be intermediate steps — dirty bombs etc.
Nonetheless, I don’t think Israel would take the risk except in the most existential of crises. There are too many imponderables. Having said that, there are too many cases in history when countries have simply miscalculated or accidentally created a crises from which there was no exit. World War 1 was a classic example, as was the Japanese attack on Pearl. What were they thinking, and yet it happened.
What would president Obama’s reaction to a British round up of radical Islamist’s and mullah’s? Would Eric Holder make the US court an extension of Certain other nations courts that file suit against the leaders of other countries for supposed crimes against humanity?
Pakistan’s major export for years has been its citizens, unable to get jobs or find a future at home. As citizens of the former pink empire, they were welcome in London and environs. Hindu’s were welcome as well.
Commercial properties are still not accounted for, And the amount of Pork in the Obama based TARP and relief acts is more than needed to sink any recovery.
Iran is so close to collapse that one wonders how it is holding on to power. Meanwhile Syria has guranteed Lebanon a new round of unrest if more of Hezbolla’s demands are not met. We need to stand firm behind and beside Israel now more than ever before, and we need to take out Iranian nuclear sites our own damn’d selves. The message that would send through out the world would cause most of the scheemers to pause at least if the president showed he had some thing more between his legs than a party favor.
Long war journal has Pakistan Army Chief breifing the world press about relations with Afghanistan post US and Nato involvement. Good on the one hand in that he tells the Pashtun they are not the only game in the NWFP, bad in that he tells the pashtun they are not the only game beyond the NWFP.
Excellent summary up of thoughts, Wretchard.
buddy larsen,
Is “Raining” Arizona comparable to “Wheeling” West Virginia?
What we need is a great feat of strength.
Au contraire! Now that you’re here with me, what we have is great strength of feet!
~ Robin Hood: Men in Tights
#41 RagnarD
Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner! Best take down on truth I have heard in a long time. Islam is the spoiled 16 yo kid who has NEVER had to take responsibility for it’s actions. It is wired as either psycho- or sociopath – doesn’t matter – and simply cannot take responsibility. It will cast around as much as possible and never, ever grow up.
Any resemblance to a US politician who is accused of being a Muslim is purely coincidental. I do note that people do get killed because of coincidences.
Subotai Bahadur
re: 37
so buddy…Holder was working for a MARXIST Banana grower.
c’mon…what’s the problem??
/sarc off
That New Orleans politician said that Katrina’s effect has been a huge improvement in the city’s education system.
Of course, he is correct. Our civilization is munching on our seed corn. The Climate Change idiocy resulted from our belief that humans can control the entire world and its beginning and its end. The USA is, currently, being run by people who have not thought a new thought since they ran their high school student council.
So, when the unpleasant surprise appears, I think it will be a good thing for our civilization. One straw in the wind? Imminent financial dissolution. Poverty. Oooh.
And think: 14th century Europeans survived the Black Death. One Third of Europe’s populations died in a gruesome manner. Whole regions were stripped of their people. And… they picked themselves up and planted anew. OK?
I have some sympathy with the Islamic criticism of my civilization. It IS decadent. It IS weak. It WHINES and COMPLAINS.
In the 1880s, THREE of my grandmother’s siblings died of diptheria in ONE WEEK. My grandmother got sick too, and was ill for a year afterwards. Her sister died of TB. Yet, whole swatches of half educated FOOLS refuse to have their children vaccinated against tetanus, measles and diptheria.
As Bill Whittle has pointed out, our government has grown around us like kudzu. I think that if our civilization has any worth at all, after the coming ‘surprise’ it will pick itself up and carry on. Or it won’t.
you’re right, shoe –i don’t know what came over me –after all, i buy my Che! T’s at Banana Republic –
LotM, for such groaners, there’s a bill to pay –i shall contact Billings, Montana.
Buddy, whilst I go get another glass of Sam’s Cola, tell me what you think of Ambrose Evans-Pritchards predictions. I told them to Eggplant a couple of threads ago. Presume you read them.
Kinuachdrach, #33: It makes me wonder if the right course of action today is to accept that this wonderful world our forebearers built is doomed.
Even that course lends itself to two conflicting schools of thought (which, I might add, would likely transcend political lines as we know them today). One is the one you and others here have alluded to, that we should start preparing to survive the coming collapse and then to start the generations-long rebuilding process. The opposing view is that we should just “live it up” and squeeze every last drop of enjoyment out of this doomed, wonderful world that we can before it all comes crashing down, for when it does we’re all screwed anyway. Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we’re all gonna either die, or wish we had died. (Not unlike the “living will envy the dead” mentality vis-à-vis the aftermath of nuclear warfare.) Clearly this is a dead-end strategy, but undoubtedly many people will embrace it precisely for that very reason.
Notice that I called these conflicting schools of thought, not merely divergent ones. The very existence of the “eat, drink and be merry” camp jeopardizes the viability of the “survive and rebuild” camp, and not just due to their obvious conflicts over resources and how best to use them. Everyone who embraces ED&BM is also one fewer person contributing to the efforts of S&R, who will need all the warm bodies they can get in order to maximize their long-term viability and chances of success. In other words, if ED&BM becomes too popular it may bring about not only its own extinction but that of S&R too.
Nobody here seems to have understood the point, which is actually quite simple:
If you will be their friend, then they will be your friend.
Which is why Schicklgruber felt so utterly betrayed on September 3, 1939. (And who can say he wasn’t justified?….)
Let me read more, Dave –all i know is he’s kinda panglossian, his critics say –but i’ll take a look and get back –enjoy yo co-cola, meantime –sandman orders i read Ambrose Evans-Pritchard on the morrow.
speaking of writers named Ambrose:
http://www.thedevilsdictionary.com/?A
(did the man understand the cynic’s mind, and how to speak to it?)
Okay Buddy, cure your insomnia fer a while.
Current market sell-offs look commensurate with them thar furriners having to ditch dollar assets to pay other bills.
(commensurate with some domestic difficulties too, darn it.)
I observed (just for example) dollar diving against the yen in late 70s. Stagflation here, Japan looked strong. Hence sell dollars to stash yen. Our big problem.
Then in 90s another apparent decline of dollar. But this time it was Japanese who could not pay yen-denominated debts
so had to sell dollar holdings. This time their big problem.
Don’t know what this go round means yet. But some places in Europe are making Fannie and Freddie look downright solvent. So we may be in better shape than we think.
“Critical, but none too serious.”
Subotai – Yes, the parallel is scary. And valid. The Zero’s continual blame of GWB for all things is rather grating. And somehow, the Liberal side of the country sees no issues with that. Hah! Yah think they may be afflicted with the same disease? I do.
Re: Thread at Misha’s house on Treacher – This is just more of the same that I think has been going on for a long time. Street battles this coming campaign season will be under reported me thinks. We have to keep and eye out for our like minded activists. Also, watch for co-opting of the TEA Party movement by agents provocateurs all across the country to disrupt and discredit.
O/T – I have been invited to the local GoP state gathering this month. Heh. I may end up being a cog in their machine. Maybe push them farther to the small gov’t and fiscal responsibility side. The state gov’t here is broke and not making progress fixing the issues in the legislature special session.
I had to laugh a while back at your comment that your home downtown was looking … more vacant than in the recent past. I seem to remember that as the natural state of things when I lived there. BTW, the class from the school is planning a 40th reunion for sometime this year. I may go.
Cheers-
I suppose you were trying to link me to the inimitable Mr Bierce. Which rhymes with Pierce. Which reminds me.
Here in town are John and Mary Pierce from the Philippines. They are both MDs. Guess that makes them a pair-o-docs, eh?
They have two sons. One of them is apparently named after the Father of Texas
and/or a certain town close to you. The younger must be your namesake. Yep, their names are Austin and Larsen. That makes you
an honorary ninong. Or is that ornery ninong?
Catch ya manana.
One of my long witty posts with film and historical allusions, G-d save us yes one of those, was swallowed by the beast. It is available here under the title "Design Margin."
We are very soon going to be in “interesting times”. In Europe, the admittedly small number of attacks on temples to Lucifer and riots against the cult of death increase month by month. Maybe, if we are lucky, the governments will no longer be able to contain those who hate the savages in our midst.
Or perhaps, some of the ocean of money available to Mordor will suffice to buy a nuke or two from some Russian army officer not paid for a year – or the Taliban will take over Pakistan – or Iran will get the nuke by their own efforts. And once available it will be used.
Just maybe, Western governments will see the logic of the Conjectures, and decide to go straight to the end game, and:
“At long, long last, the Free West decided that seven score decades of war were enough. And the machines long prepared, using the fruits of the minds of the West and at the cost of blood and treasure, awoke from their long sleep in their holes dug in the Great Plains and in the steel sharks swimming for ever in the lightless deep. Awoke, and released their fury, and the fires of stars and the death-scream of dying matter were unleashed upon the Enemy, and the umbrellas of agony and vengeance were unfurled, and a great part of the Enemy became smoke, ash and shadows seared into the stones, and then there was peace upon Earth – for a time.”
Matthew Arnold saw this coming back in 1867:
The sea is calm to-night.
The tide is full, the moon lies fair
Upon the straits; on the French coast the light
Gleams and is gone; the cliffs of England stand;
Glimmering and vast, out in the tranquil bay.
Come to the window, sweet is the night-air!
Only, from the long line of spray
Where the sea meets the moon-blanched land,
Listen! you hear the grating roar
Of pebbles which the waves draw back, and fling,
At their return, up the high strand,
Begin, and cease, and then again begin,
With tremulous cadence slow, and bring
The eternal note of sadness in.
Sophocles long ago
Heard it on the A gaean, and it brought
Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow
Of human misery; we
Find also in the sound a thought,
Hearing it by this distant northern sea.
The Sea of Faith
Was once, too, at the full, and round earth’s shore
Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furled.
But now I only hear
Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
Retreating, to the breath
Of the night-wind, down the vast edges drear
And naked shingles of the world.
Ah, love, let us be true
To one another! for the world, which seems
To lie before us like a land of dreams,
So various, so beautiful, so new,
Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;
And we are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night.
Ambrose Bierce, in “the Devil’s Dictionary”, linking, i think, maybe, that lucifer fellow referred to in FC’s #58, with the Muzz, allowing the donkey alone (with a certain specific canine) besides select humans into their heaven, and, of course, the donkey itself, and by extension (with but the barest smidgen of phenomenological empiricism), the donkey party.
(open quote)
ASS, n. A public singer with a good voice but no ear. In Virginia City, Nevada, he is called the Washoe Canary, in Dakota, the Senator, and everywhere the Donkey. The animal is widely and variously celebrated in the literature, art and religion of every age and country; no other so engages and fires the human imagination as this noble vertebrate. Indeed, it is doubted by some (Ramasilus, lib. II., De Clem., and C. Stantatus, De Temperamente) if it is not a god; and as such we know it was worshiped by the Etruscans, and, if we may believe Macrobious, by the Cupasians also. Of the only two animals admitted into the Mohammedan Paradise along with the souls of men, the ass that carried Balaam is one, the dog of the Seven Sleepers the other. This is no small distinction. From what has been written about this beast might be compiled a library of great splendor and magnitude, rivalling that of the Shakespearean cult, and that which clusters about the Bible. It may be said, generally, that all literature is more or less Asinine.
“Hail, holy Ass!” the quiring angels sing;
“Priest of Unreason, and of Discords King!
Great co-Creator, let Thy glory shine:
God made all else, the Mule, the Mule is thine!”
(close quote)
OT,Kirk’s leaving uses the Boston Globe to drum up a complaint about partisan politics. What was left out was the notice and the invitation, but that too smacks of Teddy’s style.
Wow, whenever the invitation went out to work on a bill in the formerly majority GOP house and senate, how much junk did the minority party insist upon to buy their votes until only the shell of a bill was good, the details all rotten to the core. Good riddance to this style of politics, and to Kirk the vestige of such flatulence, air thee well.
from that same dictionary dot com
MUGWUMP, n. In politics one afflicted with self-respect and addicted to the vice of independence. A term of contempt.
I would add the term
SMUGWUMP, n. In journalism (nee politics) one afflicted with self adulation and addicted to the avarice of monarchial government and jealous justice. (All of which words are defined in like jesting manners).
LOL –here’s another funny –then i’ll quit. please. no applause necessary.
DOG, n. A kind of additional or subsidiary Deity designed to catch the overflow and surplus of the world’s worship. This Divine Being in some of his smaller and silkier incarnations takes, in the affection of Woman, the place to which there is no human male aspirant. The Dog is a survival — an anachronism. He toils not, neither does he spin, yet Solomon in all his glory never lay upon a door-mat all day long, sun-soaked and fly-fed and fat, while his master worked for the means wherewith to purchase the idle wag of the Solomonic tail, seasoned with a look of tolerant recognition.
Whiskey
As of course France had styled itself the protector of Lebanon’s Christians a near century ago
Say, rather from XVIth century:
In the early seventeenth century, France obtained permission to protect Christian pilgrims going to Jerusalem, which provided a factual protectorate and the right to protect the Catholic people and their goods, and countries subjected to the Sultan, especially on Holy Places. From that day dated tradition, consistently maintained by all the regimes that France has known, the cause of the Christians of the Middle East.
The Treaty was open to other Christian nations. Some – England, Holland – obtained in the late sixteenth and early seventeenth century capitulations which granted them the same benefits. There was soon no more privileged nation, but in 1581, when renewal of the capitulations, an article stating that the ambassador of France would have precedence over those of all other sovereigns of Europe.
http://www.eliecilicie.net/capitulations_1535.htm (in french, you need a translator)
It’s difficult to have any empathy for the Brits who apparently have neither a sense of value about their cultural history or the will or courage to defend and preserve it. Much the same may be said about Americans, or at least the Progressives who seem intent on spiraling all of us into mediocrity or worse.
I cannot come up with any historical precedent where a society with overwhelming capability to defend itself from the clear and present danger of Islam has decided instead to cave into it. You have to totally ignore 1,400 years of history to get to this point. Amazing!
Great analysis as usual by W. The same thing is happening here but less in the open. Please read “Muslim Mafia”. The muslims have used our PC mindset to threaten our corporations, change what we see on TV, example the show “24″ no longer goes after muslims because CAIR complained. They have their own universities, seminary, and banks. One third of all chaplains provided to the military are provided by their seminary students. They provide PC training to our police, FBI. and TSA.
If the tea parties want to change the politics in this country I would suggest they plan for the 2020 consensus to identify the people by the following only, Americans, legal visitors or illegal visitors. Eliminate all these govt pc programs.
#26 Walt
I have reason to believe you live in or near Poitiers, and so have more reason than most to understand the threat of Islam, and what must be done to destroy it. My question is, are the French people waking to the danger of internal Islam, or are they more like the British?
Poitiers hasn’t anymore remains of the Maurs invasion, except some old ruins of the original site of gallo-roman Poitiers Castel, where it is said that the battle occured.
Otherwise, the environment isn’t different than in any other part of France, except the specialisation of goat cheezes, some old race of donkeys “le baudet du Poitou” that has as main characteristique that he is very hairy and rustique, some cooking specialisations of snails, “la soupe aux cagouilles”, some names like “Sarazin”, and dark haired population.
http://www.jardindemarie.org/article-22323458.html
about the threats of Islam, we still are in the actualities, with the “burqa” law on discussion, we know Islam for such a long time that we are aware of being firm on the defense of our republican values. I must say that people of the right and the left parties share thes values, apart some “intellos de gauche”, who are bizarrely french Jews too. As far as I am concerned, I am fighting these “smart” educated Muslins on Twitter, in intervening with counter arguments on their double language rantings, take the exemple of Tarik Ramadan, and you’ll get the characters, polite, cultivated, politicaly correct, but insidious, they infiltrate their indctrinement with humor, citations, but it’s about to grab pieces of our liberty,in demonstrating how unfair and xenophobe we are with the muslim population.
But you know me, I’m not afraid of jumping onto the pile
http://tinyurl.com/ybcg7su
The One will continue to kick the can down the road because there is nothing in his experience to make him do otherwise. And so the crises will come to us, inevitably, one upon the next. We just don’t know in which order–the dollar’s collapse, the Iranians’ attack on Israel, Chavez’ invasion of Colombia, the collapse of Pakistan and the ‘disappearance’ of its nukes, the bright flash that changes Manhattan’s skyline forever…
re:Limpet6, how has this come about? I would blame the great society mentality that the left is enamored with this equalization of all things consumable. These individuals are fed and housed for generations, taught no self reliance; imparted no sense of self-worth or self-respect, how could they possible be empathetic or sympathetic if their own sense of self is damaged? Be it a slum in Memphis, a trailer park in Peoria Illinois or a tenement row house in London, England, the effect is the same.
I was in Hurghata, Egypt just after the first Gulf War. At any time of the day or evening, throughout the bazaar, there were throngs of able bodied men. Walking, sitting on curbs, sitting on steps, just milling listlessly about. Idle hands are the devil’s tools. US aid in the form of surplus foodstuffs enables these individuals to lull away the days planning mischief. Our own Christian values have been bent and sharpened for use against us, administered by people that do not have the moral strength to tell others no.
The bright side of this financial mess is that it’s going to necessitate a tightening of the belt. There will be protectionism and radical steps, but ultimately the waters will find their own level. In a micro… just at work yesterday I was at a meeting discussing our IT department, of which I’m a member. The enterprise views us (correctly) as cumbersome, inefficient and snarled by process and paperwork. Axes are being sharpened, the suggested solution? Cut the budget by 40%. This ensures the efforts that contribute to the enterprise (that would be the needs of paying customers)are met first and sufficiently.
The only part that worries me about the macro is that, unlike process jockeys in my micro example, who don’t usually riot and loot, the recipients of three generations of free food and shelter will react violently when this is taken away.
Gordon @ 6:
I’m a merchant seaman. I was working in the spring of 2007 and the coming collapse of the housing market, and it’s probable effects on large insurance companies and investment banks, was the topic of constant shipboard conversation — AMONG MERCHANT SEAMEN.
But somehow, none of the “smart people” saw it coming?
It is sad to say that England probably needs a new Cromwell in order to move forward – and by that I mean a man who is so sure of his destiny that the blood of thousands will not deter him from his purpose. A man who knows instinctively that the best answer to a crowd of protesters is massed 50 calibre fire, a man with followers who will eagerly kill anyone who dares to criticize them on the spot. Our culture has had times like this before, there is no reason we can’t go through one again. Men like this always know that it doesn’t take too many public executions – a few thousand, at most – before all effective opposition is silenced. Iran is displaying that tactic today, and China has always been good at it.
I also now think that London may be the first city taken out by a nuclear terrorist strike. Which will create the conditions for the type of regime I’ve described.
Do not think that I am saying this would be a “good” thing in any way – but I do think it could easily happen.
This is a pretty smart group: always feel I learn about as much from the comments as from the posts.
Does anybody see a way out of this blind alley the West seems to be in that’s remotely democratic? Is it hopeless?
I don’t just mean terrorism — I mean the whole ugly soup of terrorists, loony countries with nukes and the financial crisis — particularly the financial bind the US government is in.
Morrisey’s observation that “Obama can’t confront the deficit because too many people are on the gravy train for it stop. Even if the President tried to slam the brakes on it he would have the devil’s own job trying to convince his own party. So what he’s going to do is increase the deficit and try to buy his way past the opposition with backroom deals” — seems spot on, and true of most major problems the US confronts.
Spengler’s latest piece on the roots of the current financial crisis are pertinent too “. . .the sources of the crisis remain unchanged: the industrial world is unable to fund the greatest retirement wave in history at current returns. . .”
We are unable to find a way to pay for the debts that have been incurred or the promises that have been made. Can this pain (and dealing with the increasingly anarchic outside world) be dealt with and apportioned democratically? Or do we have to allow the whole system to crash and slag itself because nobody can find a political way to unwind the mess — that is, to emotionally or politically accept the idea this this isn’t 1990 anymore and the gravy train has passed?
No matter what garb you chose to dress islam in or what theories one picks to amplify it, it is the demographics that are the telling, the salient factor in the equation.
The following Youtube presentation spells it out. So have your theories and enjoy the badinage, but it is the demographics that spell our doom.
http://tinyurl.com/d7cnsa
To Quote from Wretchard’s post:
“if Israel informed the US that it was about to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities, President Obama would probably exert pressure on them to hold off while he gave it ‘one more try’. But that was the policy road which created the crisis in the first place and the delay would build rather than reduce the accumulating tensions.
He would notify world leaders and probably try to get China and Russia to lean on Iran to agree to a halt in enrichment. He might even warn Iran himself that the attack was coming unless it stopped enriching. Above all, we can be certain he would try to buy time to avoid a showdown, which is exactly what he has been doing for the last year. That, by the way, is the same feckless policy that has produced this nightmare scenario.”
First, we acknowledge this is speculation.
But it IS absolutely consistent with the spineless, craven, ass-licking behavior – much like a puppy’s submissive postures unto the adult canines of the pack – shown by the Titanic Brain of the Oval Office since his miraculous election.
It is, in fact, so clearly the most likely scenario should Israel confide its tactical plans to Obama, that they are sure to have anticipated such a response. Since the Israelis have never shown any tendency to suicide, the most prudent and probable course for them would be to NEVER TELL OBAMA WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO.
So my solution of nuking them isn’t going anywhere.
So who has a better answer? Unless you want sharia law and servitude for you children and grandchildren?
Yes, of course, let’s reason with them, certainly they will change their ways and adopt western culture, become Christians and drop their entire way of life……
You can’t dodge this bullet. We kill them or they enslave us. There is no middle ground.
Wretchard there are sound reasons for Israel to attack first. Iran has publicly boasted that Israel is a “one bomb state” and while that is exaggeration, nuking Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa, and perhaps a major Israeli air base would be enough to allow Syria and Hezbollah to wipe out the remaining Israeli Defense Forces. Remember, Israel has very limited manpower, and a surprise strike could be launched without warning at any time from Syria and Lebanon.
So Iranian possession of nukes is a direct and mortal threat to Israel. Once Iran HAS them, the incentive for Iran is to USE them. Wiping out Israel achieves two key objectives for Iran. First, it cements its control over the Eastern Mediterranean, which has been a policy objective since Khomeni. Second, it allow Iran to intimidate and dictate Gulf oil production levels (low) so that the World Price of Oil is high enough to allow the regime to stay in power.
Remember, Iran’s current regime is VERY shaky. It needs enough subsidies to keep the urban poor and rural poor, so far on its side, solidly in place against the middle class reformers. It recalls what happened when the Shah failed to do so, and how starting wars against adversaries allowed it to out-maneuver “moderate” domestic opponents.
The Iran-Iraq War is irrelevant in the age of nuclear proliferation. Iran is not going to send human wave attacks of basij (who are needed anyway to maintain control at home). Iran plans to nuke its way into regional and trans-regional power, essentially to replicate the Persian Empire, which stretched from the Danube to India. In a way, an eerie echo of Mussolini’s dream of redoing the Roman Empire (or Hitler’s plan for “Germania” if you prefer.)
This is why IMHO, Bibi Netanyahu, with no significant domestic opposition, has made repeated overtures to “settle” the Palestinian disputes on the West Bank, saying he had no preconditions, and was willing to negotiate anything. The Palestinians are not by themselves an existential threat, while Iran and its nukes launched from Syria, Lebanon, and perhaps Gaza, are. Iran wants to kill Israel as a state, and with nukes will have the means to do so. Even if Iran suffered Israel retaliation, Iranian leaders have boasted it would be sustainable (and would in fact kill most of their domestic opposition — the urban middle class). This is probably true as a matter of objective fact.
Israel, like Denmark, and other tiny nations, cannot sustain the loss of critical urban centers. Nuke Tel Aviv and Jersualem, or Copenhagen and Arhus, or Amsterdam and Rotterdam, and the nations of Israel, Denmark, and the Netherlands for all practical purposes cease to exist. That’s the downside of urbanization. Big fat targets in the age of nuclear proliferation.
Iran wants to do this, not just because Iranian leaders are “evil” (though they are), but because Iran MUST intimidate the Gulf leaders into expelling the US Navy and lowering production of oil to maintain power, and because Iran has imperial ambitions in the Eastern Mediterranean. There is no evidence these strategic objectives have changed, so Israel faces a simple choice:
Kill masses of Iranians and live, or do not and die.
Human nature has not changed. Over hundreds of years it is very stable. What HAS changed is the ability of small, resource/manpower poor states to use nuclear weapons to prevent being annihilated. This is what Israel’s nuclear arsenal is FOR. JUST such a situation.
That Bibi Netanyahu is serious about negotiating with the Palestinians, after the Gaza disaster, and faces no significant backlash from the right, should be a red flag as to Israeli thinking.
RagnarD in 41 said:
“it is time to reform the Irish monasteries.”
Could you accept a suggestion for a slight re-wording, to:
“it is time to re-constitute the Irish monasteries.”
Great Idea, anyhoo.
EJM/72, we’re not THAT screwed if if if we immediately instituted a two year payroll tax holiday, run out TARP against the rcpts gap, and repeal Stimulus –supply and demand both will get an immediate liquidity injection of a full 6% each with negligible static effect on the income statement –and an enormously positive dynamic effect on consumer confidence, mkt sentiment, and capital investment. This could start the balance sheet moving in the right direction, and make it possible to balance the operating account and begin to chip away at the debt.
(On the debt, remember that a dollar to pay old debt pulls a dollar from current circulation [[for this rough example, consider the interest input a wash, an expense vs an opportunity cost]] so more important than debt already formed is new debt being –or NOT being –formed and perceived to be formed –’spending’).
Next, but soon, reform entitlements by cutting benefits across the board 10% –while closing the gap in purchasing power with the harder dollar and lower inflation (which is not upon us only because the bailout print is not in circulation yet (see M2) but will be as soon as [if and when-Greece may put this off] the Fed Funds Rate goes up and flattens this carry-trade yield curve).
Do that, then take a breather & see what happens as the employment lag catches up.
Oh yes, one other thing –put the FBI on Medicare fraud –HARD!
We kill them or they enslave us. There is no middle ground.
I don’t see that. The only thing required to make Islam an insignificant anomaly is knowledge, and the right kind of knowledge that Islam “is not just another religion” is almost certainly increasing across the USA at least.
The impression I get from many European cities is that the authorities know that coddling an increasing Muslim population is suicidal but they do it anyway and do not seem to care. I cannot process how that could happen even in the PC era, but it does. That has not happened in the USA.
If the mucky mucks in the Muslim countries knew that the American public would force a military response to any terrorism exported from their borders they would prevent it out of fear of losing their own lives and status. That is the lesson of history. Islam becomes silent when the terrible swift sword is hanging over their heads.
Thanks to all for these amazing posts. I have to go rest and let my brain process all your well-ordered arguments and conclusions.
Jefferson woulda been proud of yous guys.
Gentlemen farmers, forsooth!
The agrarian ideal has evolved:
Now it’s gentlemen plumbers, programmers, grocers, sailors, soldiers, tinkers, etc.
EJM/72 [PS]; –the Dollar has had more blind dumb LUCK than it deserves in a thousand years –we’re spending $1.40 for every dollar we’re intaking –and the two numbers are pushing apart wider daily.
AS is right now, if anyone trusted the Ruble or the basket or the IMF trade unit, or if Euro wasn’t also fekked up, or if Japan didn’t have twice the debt/GDP ratio we have (plus a 1:1 ratio of worker to pensioner), or if Remembi was a central bank stand-alone rather than a Dollar peg –well, any one of those facts absent, and a death-spiral –open market long bond rates pulling debt cost higher than available income –IS probable.
(“luck” such as in “wow, i fell off a cliff and when i hit the ground it didn’t quite kill me” luck. IOW, ‘some luck’.)
Since we were into asses earlier, there is thi by G K Chesterton
When fishes flew and forests walked
And figs grew upon thorn,
Some moment when the moon was blood
Then surely I was born;
With monstrous head and sickening cry
And ears like errant wings,
The devil’s walking parody
On all four-footed things.
The tattered outlaw of the earth,
Of ancient crooked will;
Starve, scourge, deride me: I am dumb,
I keep my secret still.
Fools! For I also had my hour;
One far fierce hour and sweet:
There was a shout about my ears,
And palms before my feet.
81. buddy larsen:
This fleshes out part of the reason for the chastened look on Soros’s face at Davos when asked if he thought the dollar was weak.
Soros said the dollar was weak but all the other currencies were weaker. the exceptions were energy independent countries like Norway and Brazil—but their currency float was small and their value was already bid way up. so big money could not go their way.
The US dollar was the reserve currency by default.
However, I’ll bet that Soros learned this by way of testing the dollar in sept 2008.
On energy, obama’s advisors have recently told him he needs to get more into biofuels so as to meet the goal of tripling renewable fuel production by 2012. Last year biofuel production was cut in half while US gas reserves moved up from a 20 year supply to a 100 year supply.
EJM/72
Have you seen T Boone Picken’s TV commercials lately? He’s back at it on natural gas. And he is right. The USA now has the natural gas supplies to become a net exporter of energy. It could be done in five years or so by shifting parts of the US transportation system natural gas. The disappearance of the USA from the international oil consuming market would put a ceiling on oil prices…of what…about 55-60 dollars a barrel–or the costs of oil extraction from the gulf of Mexico. the low cost oil would be a tremendous spur on world wide growth.
Charles is right –Boone is right –the truth is, a few hundred wealthy parlor play-commies in the US government –the left wing of the Democrats –are standing on the oxygen tube of the entire world economy. (*cough*)lamposts(*cough*)
Might add, re the extended ‘what to do about terrorism’ discussion, that a fully-realized North American natural gas (‘natty’ in the industry jargon) industry –coupled with the brand new Russian eastern terminus (pipeline *free* of Muslim soverign territority) means that when USA sits down at the table with OPEC, it has something to say, rather than just listen. The corrosive effect on jihadi morale might be deep –might be VERY deep.
79. Peter Boston
Your answer makes me question whether you even looked at the presentation.
Tell me, anyone , how do we escape the demographics we are confronted with?
If you haven’t watched the video you can’t begin to respond rationally. And it’s not just this video , you can get this information from almost any demographic world source. Their numbers are inescapable without preemption.
El Jefe,
The answers on how to start are pretty simple. And unless at least some of these actions are instantiated
immediately, it won’t matter.
- Declare the US to be in a State of War. Re-instate “You’re with US or against US!” Re-invigorate waterboarding. Expand Gitmo.
- Shun Islam
- Secure the borders. Begin mass deportation of illegals.
As John Galt suggested, firing all the government workers is the first step, because the bureaucratic class must be brought to heel. Ronaldus Maximus did not eliminate air traffic controlling by firing all the striking operators. He then hired back most into a reformed occupation.
Of course any number of those gov’t incompetents riff’d then swells the ranks of the unemployable, for most of whom there are ever fewer jobs forthcoming.
- Public service unions need to be banned, against their will. Especially so, when their pensions are going to get cut by 75%. They truculently operate lots of basic stuff around the US. Labor strikes. But given a warfooting, we can call it what’ll be – sabotage.
Criminal prosecutions for lots of pols on bribery charges, graft, corruption et al, requires gumption.
The longer we wait, the harder the surviving and rebuilding. At what point is the knowing destruction of our economy, which then by necessity destroys our military defense capabilities, just when is this called treason?
As many here point out, the incumbents are desparate to keep their rent franchises and they’re armed-up and they control most media. So the future looks fraught with danger on lots of fronts, like it or not.
88. geoffgo
Great ideas but I don’t see how they have any decernable effect on islam out populating all of Europe and Canada and the USA within 50 years?
So I ask anyone out there…look at the you tube I put up http://tinyurl.com/d7cnsa it’s only seven minutes but sufficiently outlines the challenge and then tell me how we address this islamic tsunami?
And after you watch it tell me of a greater challenge the west faces going forward. It ain’t oil. it ain’t food, it’s freedom…how do we hold it?
More on the economy:
zero-private-sector-jobs-created-since-1998
Mark Steyn, to my knowledge, was the first to bring attention to the demographic imbalance between Europe and the Islamic world. Your recent discovery does not add any meaningful information.
The numbers qua numbers when viewed are alarming, but like every statistical trend the assumption is always that the rate of change will never vary.
I am hopeful to confident that the rate of change will in fact change and that the the civilized world will not disappear in a whimper. Civilization has faced far bigger threats from Islam in the past when Islam was much stronger and the civilized world much weaker.
Russia, for example, now has a positive birth rate. The Orthodox Christian world has a long track record of keeping Islam within its borders and I do not think that will change.
#65 Peter Boston:
“I cannot come up with any historical precedent where a society with overwhelming capability to defend itself from the clear and present danger of Islam has decided instead to cave into it.”
Answer: The rise of the Marxist Left. It has been the radical left’s unrelenting assault on our history, our culture, our laws and our institutions that has left us (more accurately,our elites) so demoralized that we lack the will to defend ourselves.
“Civilization has faced far bigger threats from Islam in the past when Islam was much stronger and the civilized world much weaker.”
Yes, good point but I don’t recall Muslims having access to NBC back in those days, nor being able to travel great distances in just a few hours. Nor them being of the same appearance and having the same language and accent as their enemies so as to infiltrate and cause mayham. There are other differences but none so important as their increased knowledge and access to WMD.
And as we all know only rednecks, hillbillys and Christians have large families and that liberals and progressives have small broods or no children at all. I suggest that we turn Planned Parenthood loose on the Muslims as a new front in the WOT.
Now for some listening pleasure:
POLITICALLY INCORRECT JAZZ SOUNDS
Scroll down for more.
OH, I forgot the Latinos. They being mainly Catholic might benefit from PP intervention also. Of course all of this is backed by Obama’s present administration who see the world’s population as the cause and increased danger to this planet and it’s little furry and crawling inhabitants.
Papa Ray
#71: in London there is the Temple, wherein rests the body of the Greatest Knight of his time: William the Marshal. The Temple has already been ravaged, first during the Reformation, then the Blitz (which by the way did a marvellous job of slum clearance.)
Anyway, the trouble with this weakling silly Britain, reduced to tattiness, is that it has had such a magnificent history.
Thus, I would be so sorry to see it blown up. On the other hand, William the Marshal might disagree with me there. He was a proud, responsible man who was an excellent warrior.
Being on Wretchard’s site, one has to notice that he is originally Filipino (yayyy Filipinos, great people, there are a lot of them in the Yukon!) and now lives in Australia. Both are outliers of the American Hegemon. If the US does not get its house in order, and Mark Steyn’s dark predictions come true, well, the outliers will have a truly awful time.
As to the Book of Kells: I think copies of the US Constitution, allied with its other founding documents, have a good chance of surviving in the rubble.
I do not deny the threat or the ability of Islam’s soldiers to create mayhem but neither am I pessimistic about the end result of the war between Civilization and Islam in the long run.
As I said before the best weapon against Islam is knowledge. Once the average Westerner learns what Islam is really all about he reacts with revulsion and vomits it from his land.
The colossal stupidity of Western leaders, including the top rung of the Obama administration, is distressing but we know even from the brief experience of the last few years that thought and outcomes can change quickly.
“Once the average Westerner learns what Islam is really all about he reacts with revulsion and vomits it from his land.”
I’m afraid that it seems to be working in the reverse of what you said above. It appears that Islam is being embraced by many westerners (including America’s prison populaton) and of course our multicultural progressives. Look for more Muslims in our local, state and federal government and in our educational system.
It is only your average church going, gun clinging, radical that despises Islam in America.
Also back in the good old days, Muslims didn’t have Facebook or YouTube.
Nor the Internet for their world wide propaganda.
Papa Ray
Papa Ray
As an historical aside Islamic theology has much in common with early Gnosticism. I suspect that if the comparative research were done it would appear likely that Mohammed was influenced by the Naj Hamadi texts.
In the short term it may get much worse because if Obama-Holder get their way then jihad will get 30 minutes of international prime time every day. I cannot help but think that New York was chosen for exactly that reason. What goes on between those rather large ears?
IMHO Western speakers should describe and explain Islam in terms of sharia. Most people will roll their eyes if you come at them with any anti-religious message but everybody understands what it means to have their daughters screwed and brutalized by the local imam.
Buddy,
Like I have said, the Russians aren’t just going to sit back. Their financial papers all have quotes on the implications of the NA gas glut for Gazprom. In fact, I think putting an anti-Russian spin on the U.S. newfound gas bounty is counterproductive, since the Russians will want to buy in to the North American market sooner or later. Back in 2006 they were making noises about Gazprom jumping into the consortium that would build the Alaska gas/trans-Yukon pipeline. Now that’s unprofitable, they might just start trading and go from there. If Total can do it so can they.
I’m not sure I’m reading any answers on how to handle the demographic FACT that NO culture has ever been able to recover after dropping to a 1.3 fertility rate. The rates that are in Europe are all below that. Repeating what was pointed out there is NO economic model that gives us the answer so that narrows the choices, n’est-ce pas?
Also it matters not a wit if Mark Steyn or Dr. No, or Hopalong Cassidy first pointed out the problem it nonetheless remains the 800 pound gorilla.
So once again I ask how do we remain free when sharia is a demographic inevitability should we allow it too continue on it’s current course?
Or do we just take a run out powder and accept it, throwing away a few centuries of Enlightenment and our freedoms?
Do you really believe that researchers can say to a scientific certainty what the birth rate was in 14th century Italy or France? What was the birth rate of all Europe during any of the bouts of the Plague? Demographic FACT notwithstanding European culture did survive. What about the 30 Year War? There are still Germans so far as I can tell.
The demographics are compelling but subject to the same kind of “scientific” flim-flam that we’ve seen from the environmentalists lately.
By the way, China has bought at least one zinc mineral mine in northern Canada.
#101: Peter I agree, the younger women I know seem to have 2 to 4 children, and they are NOT heavy duty Christian either.
However, back to China and northern Canada:
PetroChina now owns a 60% interest in the 2 key projects of Athabasca Oil Sands Corp; in Nunavut, China Minmetals has majority control of “Oz Minerals”; in Labrador, Wuhan Iron and Steel Corp has committed to buy 50% of ore produced by Bloom Lake Iron Ore; Jien Nickel has bought majority stake in Nunavik Nickel mine; Yukon Zinc is now called “Wolverine”, and is China owned; the Skukum Mineral District in the Yukon is purchased by China Mining Resources; and Yukon-Shaanxi Mining Inc has purchased 14.6% of Selwyn zinc in Howard’s Pass, Yukon
6 of these moves occured in late 2009, and 2 of them in mid 2008.
Oh well, the Americans will not dirty themselves by grubbing around in a nasty old mine, will they? Note the Athabasca Oil Sands, by the way: NE Alberta, now 60% owned by Chinese investment. Hmmm. The environmentalist have been VERY upset by all that black dirt, all that ugly scenery, and have been lobbying for the US to “Turn Away” from this Eeeeviiillll.
Marie Claude/67
Thank you for your response. I admire the way you defend yourself and your country when called upon to do so, and in a foreign language yet. I firmly believe you when you say you are not afraid to jump on the pile. The pile, however, (the number of Muslims in Europe) is getting bigger by the day, and when they achieve majority status they will use your own democracy to vote themselves into power and you out. When that happens, the current population of Europe, including France, will be second class citizens, not allowed to vote or own property in their own country, their churches outlawed and turned into mosques, your daughters will not be allowed to go to school, and many other things you will not like. If you have not already done so, please read Mark Steyn’s America Alone. EUrabia is almost there, and when it happens it will take much blood to take back the land of your fathers. Jump on the pile, Marie Claude, and get your fellow Europeans to jump on the pile with you, or in less than 50 years France and Europe will be no more. The fate of Europe is not inevitable, not if people now are willing to fight for it.
Walt Erickson
Mr X, it’s not as if anyone could isolate Gazprom even if someone wanted to –it’s what, ten times bigger than Exxon and Shell put together? And who would want to –they’re in deals all over the world already with western companies. You’ve hinted at some problem two or three times now, as if there’s already some resistance –why don’t you clue me in?
You do realize that Occidental has bought Phibro from Citibank, right? So, Russia already has a strong voice among the western ‘majors’ –just as UK, Holland, and France have forever, in BP, Shell, and Schlumberger –all longtime principal operators in the USA –plus Russia is now building foreign reserves in Canadian dollars over Greenbacks, so Canada and Iraq both will ‘make’ everybody work together –or so it has been so far. so, i really do not get the conflict to which you allude –sorry –i’m not up to date –
demographically, Islam is taking on the appearance of a virus. As people react to its darker nature some will succumb but more should weather the storm and develop a new immunity to its supposed charm…,
…,Eh…,If only people and populations really worked that way.
I don’t know that the conjecture will or can be avoided, Habu, I do think that until it is absolutely imperative, it ought to be avoided.
Populations have a resilience that has not yet been tested on a grand scale. The pronunciations of that video link are not settled science, but neither can its dire message be ignored.
I do not believe Islam as a religion is the reason for the rise of so many persons, but it is the excuse people use. It teaches its adherents to accept the psychologically needed mechanisms which allow such nonsense and excuse bad and vile behaviors. These Jihadi are not sons of Abraham, nor dutiful sons of their own mothers. What they are become instead in the quest for immortality and life with everlasting virgins are the slaves duped into dhmitude to fulfill some twisted power hungry brokers wet dream.
Now, If some how that message could be gotten across then we would be able to celebrate like we did at the end of the second world war, from which celebration me and at least six of my nearly nine siblings were begotten.
Besides, any pulse bomb would force kids to find some entertainment other than video games. So like wild game management it is about population control, not at all about birth control.
Habu @89:
As I’m sure you know sir, the days of mass wave attacks are long in the past. Cluster munitions, fuel-air bombs, and nuclear weapons don’t give a sh!t about how many Jihadis assemble on the battlefield. So long as they aren’t among us, and are an external threat, we can easily elliminate them. What we lack is the will. That’s a different issue.
The world now has over 6 billion souls. We got by fine, better I believe, when there were less than 2 billion souls on the planet. Most of the first world nations are limiting population by choice, and as the youtube video pointed out, they have rapidly decreasing numbers.
If we can just exlude the third world hordes from first world nations, we can let them stew in their own crap. If they choose to perpetuate ignorance and overpopulate beyond the carrying capacity of their lands, that’s largely their problem and choice to do, or not.
It may be too late for some European nations. Stein wrote about this in depth in America Alone, and it’s a recurring theme on the Gates of Vienna blog.
Once Muslims take over parts of Europe they’ll turn those places into sh!t holes just like the nations their ancestors came from. Other European nations may see the writing on the wall and take the drastic measures necessary to preserve themselves which will certainly include expelling 95+% of their Muslim populations and never admitting any new Muslims at all. That’s harsh and biggoted, but that’s the reality.
When push comes to shove many non-Muslim Europeans will either fight, or flee to America. The U.S., Australia, Canada, and New Zealand already benefit from some of the most productive and well educated Europeans fleeing to Albions seedlings in order to better enjoy the fruits of their labor instead of being taxed to pauperhood and otherwise stymied by their native governments at every turn. This will accelerate.
Eventually the entire Islamic endeavor will collapse when the funding goes away, which will happen when the world is no longer buying oil from the Mideast, or it will come down to the often predicted “final” war between East and West.
Without backing and propoganda supplied by Mideast petro-dollars many of those immigrants to Europe would end up converting to different religions, or more likely being socialist secular humanists within a generation or two.
These conditions really could only occur in a perfect storm of European post enlightenment, with Europeans having lost their faith, confidence in their culture, and having become pacifistic enough to allow warlike immigrants to pour, unopossed, into every European nation. At the same time, one of the most violent, virulent, and backwards religions on the planet found itself with enormous new found wealth in a now unimaginably permissive international environment. Where once excess money wouldn’t have enabled cultural domination in such a way, in the new pacified, guilt-ridden Europe, money was king because violence, was now unthinkable! Before Flander’s fields, and the horrors of the Holocaust, Europes nations probably would have retained their pride of culture and would have never let things get out of hand to begin with.
Most European nations were disasters as colonial powers, but the British did a proper job of it. They brought reason where there was superstition, industry and science where there was subsistance farming, and philosophy and better governance to countless places that had only ever known despotism.
The world would be a better place if the British Empire had waited another century or two before losing it’s nerve! And the U.S. probably wouldn’t be cleaning up messes in Afghanistan or Iraq today!
Well enough of my long aimless rant!
What to do about it:
Deport all Muslims back to the Mideast or Northern Africa.
Don’t allow any Muslims to immigrate in.
Establish real border security.
Stop buying anything from the Muslims.
Stop selling them weapons and high tech knowledge or equipment, and stop educating them in science and engineering.
Let them drown in their own sh!t.
Nuke any substantial threats out of existance.
Encourage every non-Muslim PRODUCTIVE member of western civilization to have at least two, but not more than three, children with incentives. If productive members of society want more than three children, that’s their business, but all the additional expenses are on them! Stop perpetuating the current societal meme where raising children is uncool, harmful to mother Earth, and debilitatingly expensive.
Alternatively, pick up the mantle the Roman Empire let fall sixteen centuries ago. Wage war on our enemies for real and win, using the tactics that have been succussful throughout all of history. Give honorably retired military folks land grants to repoppulate the now empty former Muslim lands and turn them into new colonies peopled by Americans and our allies.
Yet another alternative is for America to achieve energy independence. Follow most of the steps liste above, and leave the Islamists to the tender mercies of the Chinese who don’t have many alternatives to Mideast oil. I’m certain they are capable of taking care of the problem!
Any of the three solutions will work, if we just have the will!
Someone mention China? Well don’t forget to mention South America
“t teaches its adherents to accept the psychologically needed mechanisms which allow such nonsense and excuse bad and vile behaviors.”
You mean like the ones coming out of our prisons?
Could be.
Papa Ray
AR/107; re ‘go Roman’ –we’d have to sink everybody else’s navy now while we still can, the just charge a fee to use the sea. 20 carrier battle groups would do nicely. Then we can lay back and eat grapes and drink wine –yowsa!
PR/108, South America? Take a look at Obama pal Bill Ayers’ speech at the World Education Forum in Caracas, Venezuela, a couple years ago:
http://billayers.blogspot.com/2006/11/world-education-forum.html
Well as long as we’re wandering away from the Jihadis of London and bemoaning all things global I draw your attention to this recent article from the Financial Times editorial page.
Problematic supply of rare earths will escalate into a crisis
Published: February 3 2010 02:00 | Last updated: February 3 2010 02:00
From Mr Byron W. King.
Sir, Javier Blas (“In their element”, Analysis, January 29) explains the chemical basics of the rare earths issue. He also highlights the Chinese lock on total world output of rare earths, 93 to 97 per cent, depending on where you get your figures. Another point bears further comment. It’s not just “mining” rare earths ores that’s the problem. If obtaining rare earths were as simple as blasting ore, there would be little that’s newsworthy about the matter. There is a lot of rare earth ore out there, if you know where to look. The key to understanding how rare earths fit into modern technology is to understand the downstream processing deficit outside China.
Rare earths processing is rarer than rare earths. Rare earths require a complex series of chemical extractive steps to bring the raw ores to the form of useable oxide, or final-stage metal. Processing rare earths is far more complex than, say, extracting gold or silver from ore. There are currently no processing facilities in the west for extracting the high-end rare earths in industrially useable quantities.
Molycorp’s locale at Mountain Pass, California, has facilities on site that can bring raw ore to basic and intermediate stages of processing. But then the goods must make a trip to China for the final upgrade. Even the highly vaunted Japanese lack large-scale facilities for final processing, to refine rare earths to the required 99.9999 per cent pure state. (Sad to say, a mere 99.9 per cent just won’t cut it for many applications.) In the past 30 years, the Chinese have strategically made the necessary investment in rare earths processing facilities. No one else outside China has done so.
Why? Well, the Chinese made a conscious effort to drive foreign competition out of business along the way. Meanwhile the west, with its overwhelming belief in “free trade”, has placed its faith – and bet its farm – on long-term Chinese willingness to sell rare earths to eager buyers outside the Middle Kingdom.
Now we learn that Chinese output of rare earths is allegedly in shortage. Hence exports of rare earths from China have declined steadily in recent years.
One solution, of course, is for western companies to move their factories to China and become part of the national allocation system. How convenient.
The real answer to the problem is for western governments to place strategic priority on assisting private industries to rebuild a rare earths processing industry outside China, with capability to refine these exotic elements to final stages.
Can this happen? After all, most western governments are highly occupied with bailing out their banks and housing markets. Can they break away, and devote time and funds to rare earths?
Right now, the future supply of rare earths is merely a problem. Eventually, it will become a crisis.
Byron W. King,
Looking thru Habu’s YouTube contribution, the question that strikes me is how can the average Islamic family afford to raise 8 kids, particularly on European prices. Given the poor education level of most of these immigrants, I can’t believe that many of them are financially self-sufficient from there own efforts. I presume that there is some sort of Euro welfare component to that equation. So how does one turn off the money tap to turn down this demographic trend?
If you can’t expel a virus from your body, the next best approach would seem to be some attempt to starve it.
apropos – what to do about the ‘religion of PEAS’ – they’re full of gas [from garbanzos],laughter is the best medicine.
I-Slam is not a religion, as we know it, unless you consider baal worship. Laugh at their silly garb and behaviors – they won’t be able to take it. We need to SNL them.
Haven’t said it here in a while:
Slaughter now or slaughter later.
Slaughter later = slaughter more.
Well, I see no real consensus that the problem exists in the first place from some contributors even given the fact that we’re not in the 14th century but rather a bit further along in understanding fertility ratios and, via history, know which cultures have been able to come back from being down 1.3 in the late stages, which is NONE, ZERO,ZIP,NADA….. Fine that approach works right up until the time the SHTF…then it’s too late.
Let me also point out that islam , after democratically taking over NATO countries will either have to be expelled or we’ll be forced by treaty to defend them….that and the whole cornucopia of goodies they’ll inherit before they fire up the Uday chipper shredder for the infidels. But if ignoring the data saves your brain, go for it.
107. Armageddon Rex after his self described rant comes up with the formula I’d most closely associate with (apologies AR if that taints you with the others here)
The simple fact that AR is willing to go to the wall to stop the 8 children born to muslims vs. the pitiful 1.3 that most Europeans and the waning US fertility rates are producing is a great start in admitting that just about all other problem pale in comparison to what is coming toward us in the next score years.
To those who think the entire thing is simply a statistical anomaly unsupported by research and current factual data …..good luck, you can be first in line for the infidel hell we’ll all end up going through should anything but a Malthusian solution kill off a few hundred million islams.
#75 Habu wrote:
“So my solution of nuking them isn’t going anywhere…
So who has a better answer?”
I do. Sigh…
But first I have to say that anyone who proposes the death of millions as some kind of SOLUTION(!) is not thinking; he is reacting. Reacting is what we – homo sapiens – are really good at. Kill! kill! kill! Nothing is easier for our species. We need thought, Habu, not first reactions. Any talk of killing millions at a blow just to show ‘em who’s boss is…Habu, painful as this might strike you, the thought is not original with you. It is everyone’s first thought – or rather our first visceral reaction. But because we are human beings perhaps we can foresee that wiping out millions at a blow might be the beginning of a new definition of what it means to be human. And not necessarily a good definition at that. Death will find a way or life will find a way. The eagerness with which you promote the Death scenario disturbs me.
So let’s talk solutions:
1. Disengage from Middle east oil, NOW. Promote nuclear power; get cracking on our own and friendly sources of new drilling. Research Methyl hydrate on the ocean floor, shale pits, natural gas – whatever – just get the heck away from the embrace of Islamic oil.
2. In our civic engagement with Muslims in America or the west, get serious about requiring Muslims to help stomp out jihad or death dealing fanatics among them and in the common weal. During the cold war authorities made reasonable efforts at not allowing out and out communist sympathizers to gain positions of infulence or power.
These would be more than reasonable motions towards securing our culture and free civic way of life. Trouble is, we have no leadership. But unless we get some real leadership we may well blunder past reason and into the unreason of death and destruction; but at least we will have tried.
…and then there’s the old school, which says it isn’t the Islam at all, but the Marxism:
(snip)
In a Soviet text on Communism by Kharis Sabirov, we read: “In the course of its emergence and evolution a communist formation passes through three basic stages: (a) the period of transition from capitalism to socialism; (b) socialism — as the first phase of the communist formation; (c) full communism, as its highest stage.” According to Sabirov, “It is impossible to deprive the deposed bourgeoisie [i.e., middle class] of its privileges and advantages immediately. This can only be done in the course of a relentless struggle by stamping out the sources of its might and power step by step. [bolding mine] Once the bourgeoisie is removed from power, it feverishly starts finding schemes for restoring capitalism. The nature and content of its schemes and the ways of carrying them out, change as the socialist revolution becomes more established.”
Here is the true “demise of the liberal capitalist system” — at the hands of Marxism.
(end snip)
Amity Schlaes (author of ”The Forgotten Man”) is on Kudlow show as we speak, saying the Depression was made far worse by uncertainty of the future (as we know, ‘uncertainty’ –from banker to pol to boss to worker to homeowner –is the barrier to our climbing back into the required economic animal spirits) and that FDR flip-flopped continually, trying this program or that program, lowering and raising this tax or that, regulating and unregulating this sector or that, and that it was fear of this random arbitrary sequence that froze business initiative. She says that the rationale was always the same thing, to ‘take active measures’ to ‘get the country going again’ –but that the effect was precisely the opposite, and that in this way the normal business cycle was driven into the Depression FDR needed to effect his socialist vision of government. Was it deliberate? She doesn’t say she can see inside his head, only that the thing was mighty peculiar clockwork. Was FDR willing to look helpless (“poor Franklin is having the devil of a time with the economy”) in trade for kneecapping every sign of strength before it could take root?
Is this what Obama is doing? Letting us chuckle at his dooflessness, in trade for the room to use uncertainty (“he has NO idea what he’s doing!”) to grind down the national power ‘step by step’ as per the snip quoted above?
I mean, there’s a plan or idea floated about weekly, usually completely contradictory of another from just prior. just the latest swoon, the SP500 @ 1150 rising when he uncorks the ‘bank tax’ idea, and starts the capital formation back down –before Greece — to today 1065. He’s done that sort of thing at least a half dozen times –and like the ‘bank tax’ the notion as often as not fades away never to be heard again. But the market will have been turned, and longer term mistrust and fear augmented.
I think the answer is obvious: hell yes that’s what’s happening.
Habu
The idea of nuking ‘em all and letting God sort them out isn’t really that good. For one thing it is a waste of expensive technology and no one is really sure of the prevailing winds on any give day.
Look at the Iran and Afghanistan situations. The combined US and British casualties wouldn’t even show up on a bar graph of the total casualties. Moslems are killing Moslems wholesale. Actually do have the perfect storm as long as we keep this fire stoked.
Another thing to contemplate is that statistics on Moslems are hinky. By law in many of these countries, everyone is Moslem whether they like it or not. They’re ricebowl or cous-cous bowl Moslems. The minute the enforcers disappear and an easier more comforting faith shows up, they’ll turn.
I wouldn’t reject a program that brought Wahabbis to tragic and mysterious ends. That would be very cost effective, but ALL Moslems, well, they’re not all Moslem and we can sell them stuff. MTV and iPods has probably corrupted the future youth of Islam almost as badly as they have corrupted ours. It is simply a race as to which culture collapses first.
We just have to avoid propping theirs up. We must put strings on all help. We must encourage all intellectual undermining of Wahabbism.
Just to recap..
Obama and his henchmen are breaking the American bank and putting the Republic in Bankruptcy.
China is gaining (or already has) control of most of the earth’s minerals and rare earths plus much much more under corporations that don’t fly the Chinese flag. Also lets not forget that they have doubled (some say tripled) their defense budget.
Islam is out breeding us and has been sucking on western tit for the last fifty years and is about to suck the UK and some other countries dry. To put it modestly they don’t like anyone or anything that is non-Islamic. They say that 10% of them want to kill us right now and that number is increasing yearly. The other percentage just wants us to be their tax paying slaves.
Now is where I’m supposed to say something like “we are so screwed” or “where do you go to give up”.
Well, I would and never will say those things. I’m too old to run and Texan’s don’t run in the first place.
We fight and we win.
Papa Ray
PS, Jami Dimon, JPMorgan CEO and major power, said –right after Obama’s ‘bank tax’ remark –that Obama had said nothing about it to him at all prior –which is outrageous in the way those things are done –policy always seeks prior knowledge of what the big boys reaction will be. When Dimon’s comment hit the financial news, it was about the same as saying that either we had saved the banks for nothing, or that Obama was trying to freak the biz community. Either way sucks to hell unless you’re a marxist trying to break the country and have it look like an accident (or Bush’s fault).
Habu & Geoffgo,
The primary reason that the Muslim-v-NativeEuro birthrate ratio is important is the idiocy of the Euro-Left-Progressivists who obstinately refuse to consider that the Muslims will conform to the sheep model of the cultures that host them.
So long as host nations refuse to acknowledge the problem, no solution is possible. Same is true because of political correctness in USA.
The only solutions to the approaching demographic tipping point(s) are utterly irreconcilable with the TRANSNATIONAL PROGRESSIVE worldview.
The OFFICIAL PARTY LINE: Muslims are already officially designated authentic other victims of White-Euro-Colonial-Oppression, which is WHY Europeans are obliged to welcome them into their cultures and share the wealth which after all, was stolen from them by colonial pillaging for centuries.
Of course, this is a bunch of CRAP. Let’s remember that for a number of centuries before 1500, it was Arab slave traders that purchased black African slaves from black African traders, to sell to countries outside of the African continent. All my reading indicates that most Africans sold into slavery before about the time of the 1861 War of Northern Aggression ended up in that predicament from (a) capture in raids and battles by rival Africans, and (b) Reductions in inconvenient population and troublesome cousins by relatives.
If anyone can point to documentation showing ANY significant actual slave raids conducted by White Europeans before the 19th century, I would be very grateful. (Of course, I acknowledge the sustained atrocities done by the Belgians and other colonials once the Europeans did get their claws in…)
Current growing contradictions between Socialist-Marxist goals for ALL the EU member governments (on one hand) and the crumbling overburdened economies of Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain, may lead to a grudging reevaluation of the sacred status of those bovines.
On the other hand, Progressivists are such admirers of Stalin, I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up exuberantly slaughtering the government employee and union protesters rioting in the streets. It sure worked for Stalin. Remember the Kulaks.
“Gentleman, we have to save our Phoney-Baloney JOBS!” – (thanks to Mel Brooks, “Blazing Saddles.”)
DAS …your proposals …risible
1.disengaging ..oil etc…how’s that gonna slow their fertility rate and increase the fertility rates of European countries that have already fallen below the number that NO culture has ever recoverd from?
2.Civic engagement? Please review the main tenets of islam…conversion,death or dhimmitude..civic engagement ..pleese.
Limpet6…muslims may be killing muslims but they’re still outproducing the wests population by a factor approaching 8x. Strings on all help? You’re missing their MAIN objective which is to establish a world wide Califate…they have no interest in dealing with infidels on an equal basis.
Perhaps you can walk them back from their objective but somehow I don’t think you’ll have much success. The US has been fighting these people since this nation was founded and islam has been at war with all other religions since it’s inception.
So since Europe will be muslim within a very short time and islam has shown the entire world nothing but aggression since it’s beginnning I believe a Ben Franklin quote fits here nicely regarding your hope….”Hope dies farting”
gotta run .. thanks to all
Habu
Oh, I have no problem fighting Moslems, I just think it is however more efficient to focus on the whackos. Mind you, I did accept a Rumsfeld Fellowship to the Hindu Kush in ’02 and won the coveted Anaconda Award for living in bombed out buildings under tarps without the benefit of a manned perimeter.
I’d say during most of my life, no one in the West ever gave much thought to the Moslems. In those days they simply weren’t on the radar and they spent their lives in squalor. They lived their lives in isolation and thought everyone had it as bad as they did. Things now have accelerated and we’ve lost the ol’ geographical buffer.
I think it hit them more than it hit us. Satellite dishes, cellphones and computers accelerated the decline of traditional Islam or it acceleration their appreciation that they were very much a loser culture in rapid decline.
Most just thought to themselves, “Inshallah,” but the renegades who couldn’t get wives because the big money guys got dozens, decided they’d test Allah. They decided to play Nova and either go out it a big blaze of light, or inspire Allah to help them overthrow the West. In either event, they’d get an answer and perhaps in time to save that sorry philosophy passing for a religion that kills all that is positive. That’s when we felt the 9/11 acceleration.
Sure I’m not the least bit fond of the Islamic religion. I used to laugh when black basketball players took Islamic names. Didn’t they know the great slave traders were Arabs? In Afghanistan the Taliban used to throw acid in unveiled girls faces and used to rocket little girls schools. No bragging right in any of that. What jerks.
They aren’t producing much of anything. And as long as we don’t legitimize Sharia in our world and allow them to have enforcers, they’ll assimilate in a generation if for no other reward than Jimmy Dean pork sausages.
Islam can be understood as a pyramidal structure; similar in most respects to Nazi Germany. At the bottom are the masses of ordinary Muslims (ordinary Germans in the ’30s and ’40s) who form its bedrock and sustenance. The tip of the pyramid (tip of the spear) are the murdering jihadists as well as the conventional police and military forces of Islamic Nations (Nazi Gestapo, S.S. and Military forces). The middle is the key to the whole thing – totalitarian Sharia Law (Nazi Law). Establishment of the totalitarian legal system is goal of both the base and the tip, and it is the glue holding the pyramid intact. The whole purpose of Islamic Jihad, including the events of 9/11, is the establishment of their Sharia legal system – worldwide.
If we focus only on fighting Islamic Jihad we will ultimately lose the war because they will slowly make inroads into our Constitution (as do American Marxists with their “Living Constitution”); ultimately replacing it with an Islamic Constitution subservient to the Koran and Hadiths. President Bush only waged war on Islamic Jihad, and you can see we are not winning. We need a President and Congress to declare Islamic Sharia Law illegal, and at the same time proclaim the American Declaration of Independence as the supreme un-amendable moral law of the land – higher even than our supreme amendable secular law – the U.S. Constitution. We must fight ideological and political war – just as our founding fathers. We need a Constitutional amendment which defines treason, in addition to waging kinetic war against the United States, as waging ideological/political war against our Declaration and Constitution.
We must also wage ideological/political war against our internal Marxist counter-revolution. This too will require Constitutional amendment. We will never defeat totalitarian Islam without first (or simultaneously) defeating American Marxism.
1. Term limits for Congress and Supreme Court
2. Limit Federal taxation to 10%
3. Balanced budget requirement
4. Congressional 2/3 override over the Supreme Court – just as Congress has 2/3 override for Presidential vetoes
5. Repeal the 17th amendment
In the meantime States should enforce the 10th amendment by incremental takeover of all un-Constitutional Federal social programs such as Social Security, Medicare and Education – all of these government powers fall to the States under the 10th amendment. Federal social and education programs are not only unconstitutional, they are the tools of Marxist class struggle which in the end brings Marxist Oligarchy – which in the end is not much different from an Islamic Oligarchy.
“And as long as we don’t legitimize Sharia in our world and allow them to have enforcers,”
Strange you should say that since the United States Taxpayer is now the owner of the Worlds largest Insurance Corporation (also known as AIU Holdings, Inc) or AIG who is being sued by an American Marine., According to the lawsuit, filed by the conservative Christian Thomas More Law Center, at least a portion of AIG’s $40 billion federal bailout has been used to support Sharia-compliant financial products. The suit claims that violates the First Amendment’s establishment clause..
AIG is the largest underwriter of commercial and industrial insurance, and AIG acquired American General Life Insurance in August 2001.
And according to other AIG news and rumors that is just the tip of the U.S. involvement in Sharia and other dealings with Islamics.
Did you know that if you ask the average American about the above they won’t have the foggiest notion of what, where, who, or actually anything about it. Even some of my friends who knew a litle about AIG didn’t know about the Sharia connection, and were foggy on what exactly “Sharia” had to do with money and investments.
And as you know The Kingdom is up to their necks in Sharia.
If you goggle this stuff you will find mostly just comments by blogs and maybe an article like above. But no real depth to them and nothing on the record by the principles other than above. It is a big mystery and the media won’t touch it at this point.
If ever.
Papa Ray
Habu, infant mortality rates must be included in the calculation, to reflect any real effect of total fertility rates on world population and the effect of declining birth rates per female on long term populations since at least the time of Louis Pasteur.
Additionally, non marital fertility rates increase to fill the void of a lack of males no matter the religion. The problem with the video version of events is it lacks modern era samples or recognized standards from which to draw a reliable conclusion. It does not mean it is wrong, but in my mind it does cast doubt on the inevitability of the 1.3 or die rate. Given our current culture I guarantee I have been doing my part and encouraging my kids to do theirs, within marriage and within means.
The problem is the means don’t always match the projections, and the projections rarely anticipate alternate outcomes. Culture can be changed, from one generation to the next, and among an immigrant population former cultural roots disappear with the next. Cultural norms involve the ebb and flow of more than two or three streams.
I don’t hear any fat lady singing, so I don’t feel the urgency to resort to the use of a “fat man” just yet.
The sun on the meadow is summery warm
The stag in the forest runs free
But gathered together to greet the storm
Tomorrow belongs to me
The branch on the linden is leafy and green
The Rhine gives its gold to the sea (Gold to the sea)
But somewhere a glory awaits unseen
Tomorrow belongs to me
Now Fatherland, Fatherland, show us the sign
Your children have waited to see
The morning will come
When the world is mine
Tomorrow belongs to me
Habu @ 115:
I’m honored to be so associated.
I don’t think of myself as bloodthirsty, or looking for trouble, but I am prepared to go out fighting. With regard to Islamists or any other totalitarians, if they want to enslave my family, or me and I perceive the least action on their part in that direction, I’ll kill them, and won’t lose any sleep over it.
I believe my nation should have the same values in protecting its citizens, our rights, and our republic.
PR/126; not $40bbl –between $85bbl and $188bbl, according to the most reliable sources to be found in goog and bing searches on [ aig bailout cost ]
and i’m all but 100% certain not a single pfennig of it was a surprise to about –according to Ralph Nader –120 dirtbags.
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cjm/128; –here’s that song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUwpLyIDIJw&feature=related
buddy @ 63: I find my dogs better people than most people. Ready to forgive my transgressions immediately whether or not I forgive theirs. Always glad to see me. Always grateful for their daily rations and consume them with enthusiasm. As a friend of mine said, “Angels with paws.”
cjm,
People are always confusing the song from Cabaret with the Horst Wessel.
There is a lesson in this, two Jews in America wrote a better Nazi anthem than the Nazis did.
Walt
http://comments.americanthinker.com/read/1/532612.html
uh, Habu, your shema doesn’t work by us, our demography hasn’t the same logic as our neighbours’, we have the highest birth rate of Europe, (95% due to Nationals, 5% due to muslim immigration) knowing that the 2nd and the third generation of our Magrebin Nationals don’t make more children than an average Gallic’s, this is the result of a birth policy dating from the fifties, famililies are helped to raise from 2 to 4 children, also because our educational system is free until high shcool and still cheap for university (except for the “grandes écoles” that are a reserve for the “aristocratical” elite that govern our country), these immigrants are allowed to improve their position in our society, thus then they control their birth rate to benefit of our society of leasures and of consumerism. ISn’t it bizarre that that only the poors make more children than the average, idem for the poor gallics !
If we carrry on this groth, in 2050 we’overpass Germany’s population by 5 millions, so guess which western country will lead EU politics then (numbers of souls count for representing a country in Brussels, so it’s another way to lobby there, (this also why we don’t want Turkey in, already, Turkey is with Germany the most populated country)
http://1000gifs.free.fr/France/population.htm (if you can read this article, you’ll understand what I mean)
La France accueille des immigrés depuis bientôt 150 ans. Dans la deuxième moitié du XIXe siècle, alors que la majorité des migrants européens se dirigeait vers les pays neufs en cours de peuplement (Etats-Unis, Canada, Argentine, Australie, Brésil…), la France était la seule des vieilles nations à compter sur son sol un contingent important d’étrangers : ils étaient plus d’un million au moment du centenaire de la Révolution, en 1889, et beaucoup ont été naturalisés à cette occasion.
So the problem that we are facing with Muslims is more due to the global war on islamists terrorism and their proselytism among our muslim population, up to the eighties they were quiet and moderated.
We have to stand firmly to the new requests of the radicals, that don’t want to assimilate but create confusion and that a fashist government comes into power. While many countries in Europe became fashist between the 2 WW, we were the country that still ruled mere democraty. Problem is fashism drives to conflict, may-be this will be the necessary stage that we will have to live to get rid of these adjuncted extra elements and principles that aren’t of our original republican and or kingdom foundation
Ragn/131; –loyalty –no substitute under the sun, hey?
LotM/132; that’s outrageous! Next thing you know, they’ll be writing Christmas carols
My advice to Israel is that when they make a phone call to President Obama about Iran, the first sentence should be “We have just ….” as opposed to “We are about to ….”