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Rep Pete Hoekstra blinks out a message to the public by raising a series of loaded questions in a Fox News interview.
- Has the al-Qaeda franchise in Yemen made a strategic decision to attack the United States?
- The Ft Hood shooter was also connected to Yemen, “is there a pattern”?
- Is US intelligence failing to connect the dots?
- Is the White House stonewalling on inquiries by the House?
- Is al-Qaeda evolving techniques to “get [weapons] into other environments where they can do significant damage”?
Byron York recently wrote that President Obama has responded to the NWA incident differently from the Hasan case at Fort Hood. For one, the President did not hesitate to call the aerial attack terrorism, unlike the Fort Hood incident, where despite the obvious Islamic extremism of Major Hassan and his connection to Yemen, the public was warned not to “jump to conclusions”. This time Obama was worried, but was keeping the reasons for concern to himself. Byron York writes:
The White House messaging on the Flight 253 affair stands in stark contrast to its handling of the massacre at Ft. Hood, Texas in which Obama, on the day after the killings, cautioned the public against “jumping to conclusions” about the murders of 13 people, and then, a day later, declared that “we cannot fully know” accused killer Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan’s motives. Now, the administration is openly using the T-word.
But it appears the White House’s press outreach has been more extensive than its outreach to actual officials in the government. “They’re keeping information very tight, in terms of not giving it to Congress,” says Republican Rep. Peter King, who has been on television frequently in the hours since the incident. “There are not too many details coming out.”
In his appearances, King, the ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, has been described as having been “briefed” on the issue. It turns out he has been briefed, but not by the administration. “When I say ‘briefing,’ these are people on my staff who are in contact with people in the government agencies,” King says. So far, King has had just one contact with the administration: a phone call from Homeland Security deputy secretary Jane Holl Lute, who told him about airport security measures. Beyond that, nothing. “As far as all the other details I’ve gotten, they came from sources that we have in the government,” King says. “I understand the Democrats are getting the same treatment, so it’s not a partisan thing.”
King’s talking points, including his suggestion of an investigation, are too similar to Hoekstra’s to be coincidental. The obvious working theory to cover this narrative is that there’s a worry among some Republicans that something big is in the works and the President is either sitting on it because he doesn’t want to tip his hand to the enemy, panic the public or — if you’re a conspiracy theorist — let on that the intelligence apparatus is in a shambles. It may in fact be a combination of all three.
One possibility is that busy bees have been building information firewalls again. If that has happened, the databases and their schemas may have diverged and it will take time to sync them back again, provided someone wants to. The internal report on the Fort Hood incident may have scared the living daylights out of President Obama, and it may be the reason why he reacted more quickly to the NWA incident. If he knows there’s a window of relative vulnerability until the worst of the problems can be put right — assuming there’s anything wrong to start with — then until that time Obama will be as nervous as a long tailed cat in a roomful of rocking chairs
Probably the most worrying indication that the dots aren’t being connected are reports from Britain that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab had been barred from Britain after the UK border agency determined he was re-entering to attend a diploma mill.
Abdulmutallab was from a privileged background. His father, Dr Alhaji Umaru Mutallab, was until recently the head of First Bank of Nigeria and had been a government minister during the 1970s.
Abdulmutallab studied engineering for three years at University College London. His father said yesterday that he had lost contact with his son after he left London in November last year.
He attempted to return to Britain for a six-month course in May this year but was refused by officials from the UK Border Agency.
“He was refused entry on grounds that he was applying to study at an educational establishment that we didn’t consider to be genuine,” a Whitehall official said.
Another hearing will be held on Monday in federal court in Detroit and bail will not be considered until a separate hearing on January 8.
But it would not be inconceivable that the British were worried about something else besides the unlikely possibility that this wealthy young student who roomed in a multi-million pound mansion wanted to overstay and live on the dole. Maybe the UK had access to the American databases naming Mutallab as a shady character or they had additional reasons of their own for keeping him out. Considering that Britain is home to many radical Islamists it would be interesting to speculate what reasons spurred the Brown government to close the door in his face and whether they communicated these concerns to the USA.
Only a week ago British authorities warned that a Mumbai-style attack was coming to London. Hoekstra’s warning that al-Qaeda may be seeking access “to other environments where they can do significant damage” was foreshadowed in this Online Times report:
Scotland Yard has warned businesses in London to expect a Mumbai-style attack on the capital.
In a briefing in the City of London 12 days ago, a senior detective from SO15, the Metropolitan police counter-terrorism command, said: “Mumbai is coming to London.”
The detective said companies should anticipate a shooting and hostage-taking raid “involving a small number of gunmen with handguns and improvised explosive devices”.
The warning — the bluntest issued by police — has underlined an assessment that a terrorist cell may be preparing an attack on London early next year.
Most of the casualties in a Mumbai style attack will be inflicted in the first half hour, before an effective police response can be mounted. The British were worried about the time it would take for the SAS to rush from their barracks to save an unarmed British public. Parts of the United States, especially areas designated “gun free zones” might be as vulnerable as London.
The Met is understood to be struggling to draw up effective plans to deal with the challenge of mass shootings followed by a prolonged siege with terrorists prepared to kill their hostages and themselves.
In Mumbai, many victims were killed in the first half hour of the attack. The Met is concerned that it will be much longer before the SAS, which has traditionally dealt with terrorist sieges in London, would arrive from its base at Regent’s Park barracks.
Patrick Mercer, chairman of the Commons counter-terrorism sub-committee, said the threat was “very real”.
The threat may indeed be very real. Sooner or later that harsh realization may come to those who thought the War on Terror was over.
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And we citizens pray and prepare. It’s going to be a historic year, 2010. Those of us who have not taken Papa Ray’s advice might be advised to review their priorities. What’s your worst possible scenario?
“The threat may indeed be very real. Sooner or later that harsh realization may come to those who thought the War on Terror was over.”
Did you mean “those who never thought there was a “war on Terror”? That this is all a criminal matter for the police to deal with?
We need to make them so frightened that they leave us alone.
Sam: When I first read that “we need to make them so frightened that they leave us alone,” I figured that the “them” you were referring to was the terrorists. But as I think about it, and in a different dimension, maybe the “them” you are referring to is our government?
Iread that the nigerian guy’s father warned the US that his son was prepearing something
now in this article, we can see that Al Qaida has infiltrate Europe
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6435
I’m not surprised, AQ said that it would change its strategy, the jihadists don’t need to recruit among their poor muslim population, but among the well integrated muslims in western world.
They have all the time, while we are urged by concreted results
an interesting article from Yemen Times
http://worldmeets.us/yementimes000026.shtml
War on US is clear
Anyone who does not expect a major terror attack in 2010 is a fool.
To continue to say that it’s not a war for and by islam for the subjugation of the infidel world is criminal.
Single minded the leaders seek National Healthcare and single minded the jihadi’s seek death in great numbers and in spectacularly bloody ways.
One thing for sure a whole lot of folks are going to die because of these two groups of single purpose fanatics.
Y’all recall several years back when the USN intercepted that North Korean ship loaded with Scud missiles and then let it go?
Recall where it was headed?
Yemen.
Now why does Yemen need Scuds?
As for disarray in the Obama Admin, exactly how many of these incidents, how many times will Iran have to tell the West to stuff it, how many of these touch and goes on the runway of reality will it take for Obama to realize that we ain’t all gonna be dancing on that mountaintop singing the Coke song?
The Magic Negro has spread his munificent presence amongst those poor unfortunates who Bush so mistreated and every single time they have given him the one finger salute and doubled down on hatred.
If a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged, then how many muggings does it take to convert a full blown Leftist into at least a realist?
MC’s Debka link:
“2. Al Qaeda has clamped down further on its already tight secretiveness and the compartmenting of cells.
Network leaders and members – in and outside Europe, in such places as Afghanistan, Pakistan and Africa – are forbidden to communicate by telephone, whether cell or satellite, or use Internet lines such as email.
Connections are maintained by a small band of secret couriers who memorize coded messages and transfer them orally at destination without understanding their content, a safeguard against betrayal in case they are captured.”
Sam Hall #2 has it right. As the Romans said, “Oderint, dum metuant.” “Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.” Machiavelli said pretty much the same thing.
Love is nice. Fear is necessary.
I figure that sterilizing a few thousand hectares of perfectly good grazing land would be a polite way to make the point. If it’s not understood, and we are ever bothered again (as, sigh, you know is inevitable), well, we have the target list ready.
And, no, it really doesn’t eat my conscience to think this way. Merry Christmas.
“Considering that Britain is home many radical Islamists it would be interesting to speculate what reasons spurred the Brown government to close the door in his face and whether they communicated these concerns to the USA.”
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Perhaps he sent the info to BHO on a DVD with Euroregion Code, and Barry was unable to play it on the WH DVD Player.
Cap’n Rusty:
I meant the terrorists, but the government should also be worried enough about us to leave us alone also.
I am a Texan and I believe a rope and a tree can cure a lot of what is wrong with our society. As can the nuclear bombers at Dyess AFB where I grew up.
“The revelation of Abdulmutallab’s background has confounded terror experts.
Dr Magnus Ranstorp of the Center for Asymmetric Threat Studies at the Swedish National Defence College said that the attempted bombing “didn’t square”.
“On the one hand, it seems he’s been on the terror watch list but not on the no-fly list,” he said.
“That doesn’t square because the American Department for Homeland Security has pretty stringent data-mining capability.
I don’t understand how he had a valid visa if he was known on the terror watch list.“
When seconds count the police (SAS) are only minutes away.
“al-Qeada doesn’t take a holiday.”
Rust never sleeps.
One possibility is that busy bees have been building information firewalls again.
What is Jamie Gorelick up to these days?
The links between al-Qeada and Iran were denied and ridiculed by the Left. They are now becoming more certain. The Saudis have gone to some effort, and we must be careful since they do engage in sophisticated intelligence and disinformation operations themselves, to claim that Iran is backing the insurgents in Yemen who shelter AQ. Osama bin Laden’s family were living in Tehran under state protection and have recently fled to the Saudi Embassy. There are wheels within wheels here as they betray each other. Sometimes both sides are the bad guys.
Is there a Yemen linked network in America? There was a cell exposed in upstate NY a few years ago. The Somalis are very present and the public has not been warned of the threat hosted within that community. The presence of Black African Islamists from West Africa is something that the public is also completely unaware of. There are links between these groups and Europe. Who was this bomber seeing in The Netherlands, which mosque did he attend? Another key locus in their network is Milan. The foot soldier with the explosives is the simpler problem. The Imam who builds the network but who has no prohibited items on him is the harder problem that we must learn to intercept.
It is very hard for the average airport screener to identify these people. If they have a foreign man in front of them with a collection of pamphlets in arabic how can they know if these are harmless tracts urging wives to be faithful and children to brush their teeth or readings from the hadith that are used to justify jihad? We need trained translators and intelligence specialists at the airports. That is a very expensive and demanding program to set up.
Remember though that when the threat is flying in to the United States identifying them and stopping them is not something for US Homeland Security to do. In this case it was the Dutch airport security that should have caught the guy and didn’t.
“Yemen President Ali Abdullah Saleh blames Iran for stoking unrest in Yemen’s Shiite south, where there has been a movement for seccession. ”
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However US Homeland Security should have had him on the no-fly list, Lifeof.
…and his father’s warnings apparently went unheeded.
I can’t wait to hear Abdulmutallab’s story in his own words. It shouldn’t be long, since we have outlawed “torture” and now use those wonderfully effective yet gentle methods that had KSM singing like a catbird.
After all, Bush dumb, Obama smart, this should be all handled in a nonce. This Administration is going to destroy the myth once and for all that Democrats are weak on defense. (Look how brave they are, cutting the F-22, cutting missile defense, cutting Bush’s 2008 decision to follow his commanders’ requests for 60,000 new troops in Afghanistan to 50,000 and setting a ‘git outta Dodge’ date certain.)
Now that we have Senator “Christmas in Cambodia” Kerry heading out to Tehran to do a reprise of his visit with the North Vietnamese in Paris during the peace talks, we should be all set.
Let’s relax and let the smart people handle everything, we’ll be fine once we all have free health care and America can concentrate on the real dangers facing us, like global warming and our own evil history of slavery aka capitalism.
In a different, wiser world, John Kerry would go to Tehran and in due course be taken hostage. And then a different, wiser president would tell the mullahs to keep him.
Latest Rumor is the F-35 is next on the cutting block, Tony.
…even tho BHO admin used it as cover for cutting the F-22.
Eric Holder is in charge of devising illogical defenses.
“Justice was denied the victims of 9-ll for 8 years
(when my law firm contested cases at every step)”
And now they choose a New York show trial instead of accepting admissions of guilt and excuting the guilty.
I have seen no news about Major Hasan in the last month. Per wikipedia he is not talking to investigators. he has been charged with murder, but not treason.
And don’t forget, we have delayed the development of our new “bunker-buster” bombs, so we are less able to strike hardened targets in Iran.
I saw it speculated elsewhere that under Obama, if the attack is sucessful (Ft. Hood), we don’t know whether it is terrorism, but if it is foiled….terrorism!
Officials Point to Suspect’s Claim of Qaeda Ties in Yemen
The Nigerian man charged in a failed attack on a jet told investigators that he had obtained the explosives from an expert in Yemen linked to Al Qaeda. The suspect’s father had warned the U.S. about his son.
Mr. Abdulmutallab’s name was not unknown to American authorities. His father, a prominent Nigerian banker, recently told officials at the United States Embassy in Nigeria that he was concerned about his son’s increasingly extremist religious views.
As a result of his father’s warning, federal authorities in Washington opened an investigative file and Mr. Abdulmutallab’s name ended up in the American intelligence community’s central repository of information on known or suspected international terrorists.
Federal Criminal Complaint (pdf)
Times Topics: Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab
Had the explosive worked properly, there would have been nothing the passengers could have done…
“The suspect’s name was inserted last month into the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, or Tide. About 550,000 individuals are registered in the database. A subset of that is the Terrorist Screening Data Base, or T.S.D.B., which has about 400,000.
By contrast, fewer than 4,000 names from the T.S.D.B. are on the “no-fly” list, and an additional 14,000 on a “selectee” list that calls for mandatory secondary screening, an Obama administration official said. At the time Mr. Abdulmutallab’s name was recorded in the Tide database in November, the official said, “there was insufficient derogatory information available” to warrant putting him in the T.S.D.B., no-fly or selectee lists, and so he was not on any watch list when he boarded the plane bound for Detroit.“
Mark Steyn had it on-point: the victims will be punished further with increasing government scruitiny and intrusion. Air Canada is banning carry-on baggage and this will just be the beginning.What is the efficacy of these security penchant? Why not go back to the common sense approach of arming the pilots, profiling passengers, tightening up on clearence of airport personnel and relie on the passengers instinct for self-preservation.
West must change its strategy, too. Every military-aged man and woman should be able to open fire in seconds at every public place. London is especially vulnerable exactly because it is a huge gun-free zone.
In World War 2 we interned Japanese. In the nth generation of war we are inviting Somali’s and Yemeni’s to come and live with us. What is this all about? The US has a desperate need for cab drivers? This is insane. There are innumerable people from English speaking countries with valuable wealth generating skills that cannot come here and we are importing this detritus? I fear there will come a time when we’ll have to disallow British citizen’s entry into this country because of their relationship with failed states like Pakistan will make it untenable. From what I hear, it isn’t a foregone conclusion that any American can enter Australia, for the love of Pete. I probably couldn’t immigrate to New Zealand unless I had some specialty with animal husbandry. Our immigration laws are disrespectful of the American people and sacrifice their safety so the Achmeds of the world can come here and holiday? Take pictures of our monuments and infrastructure? Go to university and take chemistry classes? What is in it for the tax payer? Nada, nothing. Try any little bull sh!t in Mexico and they will deport your @ss in a heart beat. Our government hates us and wants us to die.
Current antiterrorism tactics are like the Maginot Line.
Doug, wrt the F-35, the most recent Aviation Week quotes SecDef Gates as saying we’ll eventually buy 2,400-500 of them. They are just looking at a new one year delay or so in test flights, oh, and we mustn’t waste money on a second engine builder, you see. Competition is just so disgustingly capitalist.
They sold us the F-35 as better than the F-22, when they are not in the same class, designed for the same mission and the former is not anywhere near as capable as the latter. Likewise, the Aegis/Standard system was sold to us as a cheaper, better alternative to the mid-course defense missiles that we have in Alaska and Vandenberg. These stories all make sense to people who know nothing about the subject. You know, a bicycle is much cheaper and greener than a tank, so why not make armored bicycles? See how easy it is once you free yourself of dumb old thinking?
Likewise, making friends with Tehran and forcing the Jews to give half of Israel to the the Palestinians should settle this whole imaginary “terrorism” business once and for all. One must always stop and think, as my liberal friend wrote to me after 9/11: What have we done to make them so mad at us?
One wonders if it would have been more efficacious to shine the big white light on the situation before the sun ever set over the smoking ruins of the WTC and the Pentagon and Flight 93 on 9/11/01.
Tony,
Competition and Profit are both evil.
That is a given.
The F-35 reminds me of the F-111, designed for multiple missions, superior at none.
“there was insufficient derogatory information available” to warrant putting him in the T.S.D.B., no-fly or selectee lists,…”
That’s rich. I’ve been through secondary three times on a domestic flight. Wouldn’t want to insult a potential Jihadi or look like we were “profiling”. What a load of crap.
We start with 550k then after a year and a million or more dollars we pare it down to 400k? Hardly seems worth it. If they want to come here so bad let them petition the state department. Do you think I can move and travel safely in Yemen? I doubt it. Any place that Americans cannot go safely should not have reciprocal rights to come here without a thorough screening and compelling cause. And if these people already on our shores will not pledge allegiance to the US they should be deported.
The F22 should have been kept in production if nothing else to keep the technology and the jobs alive. Aside from defense the US has exported its manufacturing capability “offshore”. What is GM doing for our economy or SEIU for that matter? The former is in a shrinking market and the later is not a wealth generator.
If the Obama administration is worried about these probes, one wonders why. Is it not their intent to bring the US to ruin in order to be able to rule the rubble? The problem is, I think, that they have a plan in place as to how it is all to go down. Al-Q’s activities do not fit into that plan and stand a good chance of derailing them altogether. If there is a devastating attack Obama will be forced to divert resources to deal with it. For a plan that is balanced on the edge of a knife, as this one likely is, outside forces could easily set it in disarray.
RWE: “If a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged, then how many muggings does it take to convert a full blown Leftist into at least a realist?”
The number is L over zero. In meatspace the Leftist dies secure in his knowledge that he is the winner…
oMan: “I figure that sterilizing a few thousand hectares of perfectly good grazing land would be a polite way to make the point. If it’s not understood, and we are ever bothered again (as, sigh, you know is inevitable), well, we have the target list ready.”
While this sounds good if you say it fast. The reality is that these folks do not see a problem with death. They don’t look at it as a deterent. When you are living a subsistance existance death is your constant companion. So no fear to be had there. Now the thing they will stop to protect is their “afterlife”. How do you take that from them?
Doug: You have a very quick wit! Nicely done.
LOTM: “What is Jamie Gorelick up to these days?”
Sir, may I have another please.
@ Sergey: In my wildest dreams that would be the reality of the world. Alas, Babylon is no more.
I wonder if everybody started flying EL AL, would the other guys get the message?
I believe our government is horribly compromised by Islamic moles and their friends. This developed under Bush, but I suspect an epidemic under Obama, Holder, Napolitano, H. Clinton, et al. I suspect they have been purging personnel who don’t subscribe to the treasonous “Relgion of Peace(tm)” propaganda and installing Muslims and Islamophiles by the bushel.
Let’s see in coming days if details start to trickle out as terror attacks mount, and God forbid, have more success like Hassan at Fort Hood.
Obama’s Light Unto the Muslim World thing is in tatters, but I suspect this malignant incompetent President will double down as he has on all of his other insane policy blunders. The secrecy from this WH is just as likely to be a desperate coverup of their catastrophic blunders as it is about external threat analysis about ongoing developments in the Great Islamic Jihad.
When confronted with a reality which runs counter to his script, this sinister President shows he’s not capable of self reflection. Rather, he attempts to manage the PR, preserve his fervent fantasies, and sets about searching for scapegoats.
“Americans clinging to their guns and bibles” and “did I mention? He’s black!” when his electoral prospects were challenged…
“America is a Nation of cowards”when his Jeremiah Wright connections were finally discussed by the media (after his corronation, of course.)
No WoT — but if you’re looking for violent extremism, beware those Christian Fundies and returning Iraq War vets! Oh, and did I mention? TEABAGGERS!
There is a cancer growing in the heart of America … Muslim terror is only one of its symptoms.
Doug, the F-35 Lighning II comes in three versions, so I guess it’s supposed to replace the F-16 Falcon, F-18 Hornet and AV-8B Harrier. Hey, how come there’s no Petrels? Apparently, Northrup Grumman is working on a Next Gen Bomber, which is going to be both manned and unmanned, both bomber and recce, and we’ve gathered a lot of lessons learned on this topic from the Lockheed RQ-170 Sentinel. Lockheed and Boeing just teamed up to compete for the NGB. (But let’s not leap off topic here, as we so often do.)
and when you ask why shall these people be allowed to pass you get a quote like below of a poem as if it were the constitution to the world;
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
To which I add –
Send them back from whither they came
Let them play some other suckers game…
Bunch of rhetorical questions.
•Has the al-Qaeda franchise in Yemen made a strategic decision to attack the United States?
Of course, al qaeda everywhere has that as a permanent imperative.
•The Ft Hood shooter was also connected to Yemen, “is there a pattern”?
Obviously, the question is whether there is more to the pattern.
•Is US intelligence failing to connect the dots?
The dots spell “jihad”, have they discovered that yet?
•Is the White House is stonewalling on inquiries by the House?
I doubt it, Google has more info than the White House.
•Is al-Qaeda evolving techniques to “get [weapons] into other environments where they can do significant damage”?
Of course.
but don’t worry, on TV this morning Janet Napolitano, head of homeland security, says “the system worked as it is supposed to”, which Robert Gibbs echoed, before he pointed out, “Well, the systems are several years old.”
Jake Tapper, to his credit, asked Napolitano in response, “The passengers did the right thing, but people are wondering if the government did.” She just sat there and repeatedly patted herself on the back. Two useless hacks on TV. Crap, now Tapper asks McConnell, “These are Bush adminstration guidelines, are they enough?” Jake, I hardly knew ye. And McConnell is going on about Yemen.
Jake asks, “More security searches at airports?” McConnell says, “Makes sense.” Groan. We’re going to have to change in view of inspectors down to birthday suits and into airport-issue uniforms, to board a plane, where we will then be gassed into unconsciousness for the duration. Swell.
I’ve only flown once since 9/11, and the taking off of the shoes was both funny and irritating, once. Glad I don’t have to put up with this more often, the underwear inspections are going to be something else.
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JFS @ 29: The reality is that these folks do not see a problem with death. So, we do as oMan suggests, no problem, right? Repeated sufficiently, the issue is resolved. No problem, indeed.
But you know, that “death” stuff is just bluster. King Hussein showed that thirty years ago. He killed 10,000 or so and the other 3,000,000 suddenly behaved quite nicely. You just have to make the point clearly, the enemy is quite rational, just not as delicate as we like to pretend we are. It’s the anthropological tradition of a desert peoples, always have more people than resources, competition is fierce, jihad a good use of your defectives. Have to get beyond that to make the point.
While nbr. 30 hits the tips of the waves, they go much deeper than he had the time and space to describe. But I’m sure he knows of them. Thanks so much for your comments.
I was puzzled by the title of this blog post.
Until I read this:
Breton folklore holds that storm-petrels are the spirits of sea-captains who mistreated their crew, doomed to spend eternity flying over the sea, and they are held to be the souls of drowned sailors; sinister names from Britain and France include Waterwitch, satanite, satanique and oiseau du diable.[27]
My ol’ brain started wrapping it self about this, in an ever spiraling manner. Was it mis-treated or decieved?
Till I came back finally to Islam’s premises.
Which are clear if you have been studying it as I have for the last eight years.
Many things are going to happen, surprises we can’t even think of now and it is going to be a race to see how Obama and his backers facilitate and embrace and try to fool us while the forces that they should be fighting but instead are harboring and enabling do their dance upon the waters of our innocence and PC while sheltered in the ONE’s shadow and embrace.
Jeez, that sounds almost in league with some of Richard’s best. Naw…not close.
Well, time to take my two sweeties to Church.
Papa Ray
While nbr. 30 hits the tips of the waves, they go much deeper than he had the time and space to describe. But I’m sure he knows of them. Thanks so much for your comments.
I was puzzled by the title of this blog post.
Until I read this:
Breton folklore holds that storm-petrels are the spirits of sea-captains who mistreated their crew, doomed to spend eternity flying over the sea, and they are held to be the souls of drowned sailors; sinister names from Britain and France include Waterwitch, satanite, satanique and oiseau du diable.[27]
My ol’ brain started wrapping it self about this, in an ever spiraling manner. Was it mis-treated or decieved?
Till I came back finally to Islam’s premises.
Which are clear if you have been studying it as I have for the last eight years.
Many things are going to happen, surprises we can’t even think of now and it is going to be a race to see how Obama and his backers facilitate and embrace and try to fool us while the forces that they should be fighting but instead are harboring and enabling do their dance upon the waters of our innocence and PC while sheltered in the ONE’s shadow and embrace.
Jeez, that sounds almost in league with some of Richard’s best. Naw…not close.
Well, time to take my two sweeties to Church.
Papa Ray
Sorry for the double post…I’m not smart enough to know why.
Papa Ray
Remeber the tale about the bear chasing down a meal…
It is important to be faster than the next guy…
It seems like America has slowed a step…
Europe has police forces that have powers way beyond ours. They have limitations on individual rights that would keep the ACLU busy for centuries.
And, now, we have the nicest guy on the face of the planet as a beloved leader. Slow down and enjoy the scenery!!!
Who was this bomber seeing in The Netherlands, which mosque did he attend? Another key locus in their network is Milan. The foot soldier with the explosives is the simpler problem. The Imam who builds the network but who has no prohibited items on him is the harder problem that we must learn to intercept.
He visited Houston, TX in 2008, home to a large Nigerian community, notorious for Medicare/Medicaid fraud, and complete with an Egyptian-trained Imam at a Mosque catering to Nigerians. Who were his contacts in Houston?
Hasn’t Saudi Arabia been sending troops into Yemen and killing what they say are terrorists there? If it’s bad enough that the Saudi’s are going after them, then it must be pretty bad.
And isn’t it nice that Saudi Arabia will go after and kill terrorists, while Pakistan can’t be bothered.
With few exceptions (and none that I can think of right off hand) the US airliner terrorists have all been foreign nationals. Uh–does anybody else see a connection here?
We can profile people traveling at airports in regards as to whether they might be transporting drugs, but we can’t profile them when it comes to identifying potential terrorists. This boggles the mind.
Are we recruiting our Homeland security people from the insane asylums?
My recollection of PETN, the core material of Primacord, is that it does not initiate by heat, i.e. it burns rather than explodes. We always used a blasting cap to get it going, which were usually electrically initiated but could be heat ignited for small jobs.
So was this guy incompetent or did some one set him up with a bad rig? The non-metallic components, we are now told, were concealed in his underwear but he needed a blasting cap or some other device to give the PETN enough of a “rap” to set it off.
A blasting cap isn’t very big and presumably could be concealed in the carry on luggage, although it might show up in a thorough search of the bag and should certainly trigger the metal detector if carried on his person.
It sounds as if this was an attempt to use a non-metallic device to set off the PETN, (i.e. something went “pop” but nothing went “BOOM”.
I also note that that the perp was sitting pretty far back on the wing, so the fuel lines might not have been as endangered as first thought. On the other hand, if the plan was to simply cause an explosive hull breach, why not set it off in the lavy?
Finally, what’s up with the story from the two Michigan attorneys that they saw the perp at the airport with an older man, trying to get him on the plane without a passport? How can you have a visa without a passport? Or, was the problem that he had “lost his papers”?
This is fascinating in a sick way.
I listened to some “Liberal” radio the other day on Sirius.
Yep, military cuts, they are coming. All to balance the budget, so higher taxes too, see the deficit will be the next big crisis (and they did a pretty good job manufacturing that crisis too).
These guys went on and on about how “worthless” a bomb is, how it’s resources wasted, and if it even is used it destroys resources.
EVIL EVIL EVIL, that’s the military industrial complex. It needs to be eliminated, like all those strategic weapon platforms we waste all that money on. Maybe that’s why Obama has cut off funding the maintenance and upgrades.
And of course they scrapped the F22, and next the F35, just think of all the social programs you could feed with that money. All the hunger, all the homelessness, all the illness, why you could fix it ALL if you just scrapped the whole military.
It’s a one world revolution, we don’t need any of these “security” items now.
We could ensure permanent poverty and government dependency with all that money!
They used Eisenhour’s 1953 “Chance for Peace” speech for some of their arguments.
” Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.
It is some 50 miles of concrete highway. We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.”
YEP, it’s criminal to continue any production of war making weapons.
We must outlaw all guns, ammo, and even remove such evil evices from our security forces, police, and the like.
I guess it’ll end up being Obama’s “Civilian Security Force” (AKA ACORN with our confiscated weapons)that will be the only ones armed.
When Obama does pass legislation for us to turn our guns and ammo in, it’ll be ACORN and SEIU that will be “collecting” them.
#42 Tcobb:
“Are we recruiting our Homeland security people from the insane asylums?”
In some cases, but most of ‘em are just doing their “job”…which means that they “go through the motions”. Pause a minute and give pity to those poor schlubs, wilya?
They probably realize, better than any of us, what kind of utter bullsh*t some of the screening guidelines and policies are. They are little more than armed sentries without ammo.
Our greatest weakness lies in about a ten-mile radius centering on the Ellipse in Washington DC. Hopefully Al-Qaeda will be dumb enough to use their WMDs to strike us within that zone…before anywhere else gets hit, let it be there.
Because when it’s politicians and media and lobbyists and bureaucrats whose bodies, (or those of their families), that are stacked up and carted away in refrigerated trailers, then those clowns might finally wake the f*ck up and get serious about this business.
Either that, or they’ll all be vaporized, which will get them out of our way.
And then we can settle our external enemies’ (and their enablers’), hash…but good.
Tcobb: “Are we recruiting our Homeland security people from the insane asylums?”
No. Government Schools.
RE: AWM @44 — You have identified the invisible subtext for why it is “advantageous” to encumber the economy with cap and trade and health care “reform” and stimulus packages, all of which will reduce GDP and divert resources to more and more entitlements. If we impoverish the economy it will be easier to argue that we can’t afford our expensive military.
RE: LOTM and others — The bad guys are probing and probing and probing for weaknesses. If one puts one’s mind to it, one can surely think of many low tech ways of causing enormous chaos. The Mumbai style is merely one. Destroying freeway interchanges, major hospitals, shopping malls — these are but a few of the key low tech vulnerabilities.
One might think that AQ would wait another 7 years for America to weaken further, and strike big time after the next administration takes over. But discerning their mind is beyond this humble psychiatrist.
Meanwhile, as so many have already noted, we are all paying the price. Please forgive the repetition of Churchill’s famous dictum with which I am sure you are all familiar.
“If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
46. No. Government Schools.
Law schools.
I have observed the Thousands Standing Around. The best and most charitable term to describe the average agent is ‘drone’. Daschle must be proud.
Here we go again: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581232,00.html
This tentative report however does not indicate in any manner this event was serious — sounds closer to a grumpy drunk. Stay tuned.
Back to the subject, the threat may or may not be imminent, but I think Ft Hood or Mumbai is the model. Not limited to a military venue, but applied to malls, schools, ballgames, any target rich environment. Cheap, high impact, very, very efficient in spreading terror.
After 7 or 8 events, blowback will be horrendous. National Guard active. Carry permits very popular. Baraq pleading for calm. Not pretty.
35. Josh:
Now that is the perfect beaurocratic response to this situation. Nigerian security, Ductch security and American communicaitons; the whole proces was followed, from point A to point Z, to the letter. Every I was crossed and T dotted. At every point along the line the system worked “as it is supposed to” and yet this man was on a plane…ove a US city…with a bomb…and had to be stopped by a civilian…which, quite frankly, is the last thing any of us should ever want to happen.
All this adds up to one big epic fail.
Another incident…
New Emergency at Detroit Airport
Plane With Same Flight Number as Christmas Day Incident Lands, Requests Emergency Assistance
By RICHARD ESPOSITO and MICHAEL S. JAMES
Dec. 27, 2009
A flight from Amsterdam with the same flight number as the one that had a “terrorism” incident Christmas day landed at Detroit Metro Airport today and requested emergency assistance, officials said.
Flight 253 requested emergency assistance because of passenger’s behavior.
“Northwest Airlines alerted TSA to a disruptive passenger on board flight 253 from Amsterdam to Detroit,” a statement from the federal Transportation Safety Administration read.
“The flight landed safely at Detroit International Airport at approximately 12:35 p.m. EST without incident,” the statement continued. “The aircraft has been moved to a remote location for additional screening. TSA and law enforcement met the aircraft upon arrival, the passenger is now in custody.”
What, me worry?
Napolitano says that this incident is an example of how the system is working perfectly. This job is so far beyond Napolitano’s ability that you have to wonder about the intentions of the people who selected her.
KA @ 53: The perp was stopped by incompetence, device failure, by the time the passengers intervened it was already over, as far as I can tell. Still well done, he could have had backup, and in such situations I suggest SOP should be to break all four limbs and cover him in pork fat, I guess we want his head still attached and intact for questioning. After which it should be detached and mulched, or perhaps inserted in a Paveway and delivered precisely to the Qaba in Mecca.
The public response is an epic fail, to *brag* about being confused and useless pretty much pegs the failometer. Napolitano might as well step down now, before she drags down Obama with her. Gibbs is a useless twit, but he’s in a position where useless twitdom is more or less assumed.
But the failure itself is a failure of strategy, I repeat again we lack the technology to stop these kinds of attacks. Only behavioral and ethnic profiling is going to work at all well, and that’s only marginally better. We still don’t have the technical details on how it was *supposed* to work, but assuming the chemistry is correct, they could repeat it tomorrow with more effect.
The top admins in the Federal Government are incompetent and corrupt as are most Congress creatures.
It is very hard to make a stable effective small bomb that will bring down a large aircraft from where he was sitting.
This is an excuse for more screwing around with business air travel and more fat salaried government bosses.
The corporate bosses fly in their executive jets and avoid all the hassle but the grunts are treated as peasants. Even VP’s for IBM have to travel Coach for international meetings.
The majors charge for checked bags but cut back on baggage staff.
The West is limping to poverty.
Liberals/Dems/Media/Obama/Feminists WANT to cut defense to nothing so they can SURRENDER. Heck the Left has been trying to surrender for DECADES. To anyone. Because fighting empowers: nerdy defense engineers, 99% of them men, soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines, plus generals and defense contractors.
Instead of tragically hip, post-feminist writers and commentators and magical Black guys (apologies to Spike Lee) who have rainbows and unicorns pop out of their behinds.
This is why Obama WANTS an attack. He’s disappointed it did not succeed. Not because Obama is a sneering, cartoon of evil, but because he wants to surrender. Obama got plenty of transition briefings, on the danger of AQ, what threats had been thwarted, how near they came.
His reaction: conduct a purge of the CIA, prosecute those who poured water up KSM’s nose, bring KSM to trial in NYC under civilian rules, order Gitmo closed, dump Jihadis like a post-Christmas clearance sale, demand more Gorelick walls, define terrorism as a “man caused disaster,” excuse Major Hassan’s jihad, gut missile defense, grovel in front of Iran, kiss the Saudi King’s ring, and bow like a Muslim subject, make apologies to the Muslim world in a major speech, embrace the PLO, cut troops his Afghanistan commander requested, say he does not believe in victory in Afghanistan, define a hard exit point for Afghanistan, and more.
I can’t keep up with all the surrender-minded things Obama has done.
This is because Obama WANTS AND NEEDS a MASS CASUALTY ATTACK ON THE US. The larger the death toll, the better for him. So he can, abolishing-suspending all or part of the Constitution as Lincoln did, usher in a new era of peace and understanding by punishing those who are evil (White Americans according to his racial-hatred filled Black Nationalist background) and erasing America’s “evil” culture and history in favor of good, Indonesian-flavored Islamic rules.
Obama wants a mass attack to succeed, so he can rule by decree, using the continued threat as means to surrender, impose some form of “Sharia Lite” rule with speech controls, and more, aimed solidly at his (and Dems/Media/Left/Feminists/Elites) REAL ENEMY: the White Middle Class!
He has done everything in his power to make this happen. He’s not nervous Wretchard — he is anxious to make it happen! Waiting for his chance to rule by martial law like his heroes Chavez and Castro and Mao (whose image hangs in the White House Christmas Tree). Hence, relaxing playing Golf Christmas Day while the aftermath of the terror attempt plays out.
In this I think Obama has miscalculated. The military will remain faithful and do their duty, but they have limits: they swore an oath not to Obama personally, but to the Constitution. Obama suspending great parts of it to force a defacto surrender to Islam and AQ will create open revolt among most of the military, including commanders in the field and lower levels of the Pentagon (careerist JCS men will go along to get along). Governors, State Legislatures, and the people of the Mountain West, Mid-West, South, and swing states like Ohio and Pennsylvania will all be in open revolt against Obama if he does this (suspend the Constitution and surrender to Sharia Lite). California, Oregon, Washington, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, every other place in New England, Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota, Maryland, Delaware, Rhode Island, will all of course being filled with non-Whites who loathe America and the White Middle Class, allied with Elite SWPL folks who do the same will of course back Obama to the hilt.
Obama is a man born and raised a Muslim. Who grew up in Indonesia as a Muslim, and then Hawaii in a non-White and hostile to American values background. There is nothing in his life, background, choices (Rev. Wright), ideology, written statements, books, speeches, and so on to suggest that he genuinely wants to protect America or its White Majority population. That he wishes to defend America, or that he will abide by election results other than one man, one vote, one time (as Islamists did in Iran and elsewhere).
Obama is not even John Kerry, or Jimmy Carter, or Bill Clinton. He is a man filled with racial hatred towards the majority population, contempt for America’s traditions, and at a minimum a cultural affinity for Islam. From the very start of his administration he has done nothing but hamstring attempts to stop mass casualty attacks on the US projecting weakness that invites attack, knowing from his Muslim youth that this invites attack.
Thus I reject Wretchard’s thesis that Obama’s Admin is nervous about coming attacks. Rather, I believe he and they look forward to them, as they can “use a good crisis” to rule forever by decree and create their Pol Pot-like Utopia (or Jonestown if you prefer).
Since we’re inching closer and closer to profiling, both in the un-War on Terror and in Healthcare, is there any way to put everyone who voted for Obama (which you just know the healthcare mavens already have lists of) on planes carrying Muslims / Arabs / Africans, and everyone who did not vote for Obama on planes that exclude the aforementioned set of humanity? It would be like condo / apartment complexes that have two pools: one for kids and one for adults.
I’ll bet even if you raised fares and made them more expensive, people would be willing to pay extra for the peace of mind in knowing there will be no guy with a whispy beard and dilated eyes sitting next to you. And it would be interesting watching the Obama-voters make up their minds whether or not they want to walk their talk about brotherhood and unclenched fists.
P.S. Another option, if Muslims simply *have* to travel about the United States, is to let them use Pelosi’s plane(s). How may taxpayer-funded planes is Congress tying up now, for one itty-bitty Congresscritter at a time?
Let me add that a Bombay-style attack is most likely in Times Square on New Year’s eve. You have tens of thousands of people assembled, most of whom cannot exit quickly. The sheer size/mass of the crowd makes it nearly impossible for the crowd to quickly exit the square, with only a limited number of possible exits.
Yes, there will as always be an alert and heavy police presence. But that will be IT. Once the police are neutralized, and they need only be neutralized on one side of the square, the press of the crowd itself will kill. As anyone who read of the tragic Who concert in Cincinnati can attest.
My guess is that there will be some incident or disturbance to draw the police off elsewhere, about 1 to 1.5 hours before the ball drop. Pre-positioned snipers hidden in the buildings around the square (to assault the police). An attack from one end of Times Square (likely the South) with grenades and AK-47′s, aimed at maximizing the carnage during a time of celebration. Probably some hostages taken also, and some killed, with drawn-out demands to free KSM.
The attackers likely will be “clean” i.e. non-Muslim looking men, who are European converts, radicalized already, or Chechen Caucasians, or SE Asian Muslims. They will have a support network of safe houses for escape and evasion, and a flight plan in place. The biggest coup is not merely upping the death toll from 9/11, but parading the perpetrators on international TV who gloat they got away with it and are untouchable (Iran, Pakistan, perhaps?)
I believe such an attack could be carried out by no more than thirty people, and perhaps as few as twenty armed men. With various compartmentalized support folks doing things like renting offices, houses, buying vans, cars, warehouses, and so on. The only tricky thing would be smuggling in the explosives and firearms, which IMHO would follow Mexican drug routes and perhaps piggy-back on them. The Zetas are dangerous, fear no one, and have expertise there, besides doing anything for money.
This is the AQ style, spectacular, on live TV, bringing fear and helplessness and rage, and showing that the West MUST surrender (which much of it already wants to). We would see the View, and Oprah, and other women’s daytime talk shows “explain” the “rage” that Muslims felt and how we evil Americans were responsible, how we must “reach out to the Muslim world” and suchlike.
We cannot rule out of course possible assistance and cooperation by either/or Pakistan’s ISI and Iran’s IRGC. Both of which would like to “test” the US responses with a deniable spectacular to see if nuclear intimidation could work as well.
Remember, this terrorism is not a “one and done” event — it is a process by which angry young men unable to form relationships with women are funneled into a murder machine by cynical, power-seeking adventurers using technology to become literally comic book villains, against a passive, weak, feminized and surrender-prone West. Eventually one of these things will break, most likely the surrender-prone nature of the West as the elites are simply given the French Revolution treatment. [Which, on the record, I deplore -- the Revolution wrecked France for two hundred years.]
“When Obama does pass legislation for us to turn our guns and ammo in, it’ll be ACORN and SEIU that will be “collecting” them.”
They’ll be collecting bullets AWM. Tyrants don’t worry about enemies overseas. They worry about them at home.
Walt on The Price Of Success.
Fire Napolitano [Jonah Goldberg]
Understandbly, the White House is trying very hard to get out in front of the would-be Christmas bomber story. The head of the Department of Homeland Security isn’t helping.
I watched her on three shows and each time she was more annoying, maddening and absurd than the previous appearance. It is her basic position that the “system worked” because the bureaucrats responded properly after the attack. That the attack was “foiled” by a bad detonator and some civilian passengers is proof, she claims, that her agency is doing everything right. That is just about the dumbest thing she could say, on the merits and politically.
I would wager that not one percent of Americans think the system is “working” when terrorists successfully get bombs onto planes (and succeed in activating them). Probably even fewer think it’s fair that they have to take off their shoes, endure delays and madness while a known Islamic radical — turned in by his own father — can waltz onto a plane (and into the country). DHS had no role whatsoever in assuring that this bomb didn’t go off. By her logic if the bomb had gone off, the system would have “worked” since it has done everything right.
Napolitano has a habit of arguing that DHS is a first responder outfit. Its mission is to deal with “man-caused-disasters” afer they occur. It appears she really believes it. If the White House wants to assure people that it takes the war on terror seriously (a term Robert Gibbs used this morning by the way), they could start by firing this patently unqualified hack.
Here she is her own words, RealClearPolitics.
58&60 whiskey
You are in fine form today. I love the way you don’t mince words and cut right to the heart of truth, even though you know many will just discount it. You keep trying to get the truth out there and you should be commended and I have done so many times.
In case some of you think that what he (and I and others) have been writing for the last few years is somehow overboard, bombasitic or even lunacy. I will repeat what I have said many times- “You are part of the problem”.
I will repeat that I am not going to take chances with my family (I’ve even moved to a more secure location) because I know that our government can not only not protect them but is being set up to where they can’t. And because many won’t because they are in on the deal and if not active precipitants they are willing bystanders.
Most out of pure ignorance and progressive brainwashing but many others because of greed and a deep hatred of America.
Things are not what they seem to the average Joe or even the intertube hoppers. There are forces at work now that would be deemed too crazy to make a movie or write a book about.
The threat is real, this is real life, not some stupid argument and wordsmith party.
Papa Ray
Is there any connection between the recent TSA disclosure of the passenger screening manual and the recent attack(s)?
Napolitano’s response was that the disclosure of these security procedures were an old version and that it was due to a third party contractor.
Now that is leadership…
Probe of USS Cole Bombing Unravels
A week after the Cole bombing, President Bill Clinton vowed to hunt down the plotters and promised, “Justice will prevail.” In March 2002, President Bush said his administration was cooperating with Yemen to prevent it from becoming “a haven for terrorists.” He added: “Every terrorist must be made to live as an international fugitive with no place to settle or organize, no place to hide, no governments to hide behind and not even a safe place to sleep.”
Since then, Yemen has refused to extradite Badawi and an accomplice to the United States, where they have been indicted on murder charges.
Other Cole conspirators have been freed after short prison terms. At least two went on to commit suicide attacks in Iraq.
“After we worked day and night to bring justice to the victims and prove that these Qaeda operatives were responsible, we’re back to square one,” said Ali Soufan, a former FBI agent and a lead investigator into the bombing. “Do they have laws over there or not? It’s really frustrating what’s happening.”
To this day, al-Qaeda trumpets the attack on the Cole as one of its greatest military victories. It remains an improbable story:
how two suicide bombers smiled and waved to unsuspecting U.S. sailors in Aden’s harbor as they pulled their tiny fishing boat alongside the $1 billion destroyer and blew a gaping hole in its side.
President Barack Obama is beginning to look out of his depth
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ya think?
Whiskey
I’d love cut some heads
you’re right this is war with invisible men
“The 9/11 Commission Report”, pp. 195-6 tells the story of a time long, long ago in a place far, far away, just after al Qaeda’s latest act of war under Clinton against the USS Cole, 12 October 2000.
Clarke recalled that while the Pentagon and the State Department had reservations about retaliation, the issue never came to a head because the FBI and the CIA never reached a firm conclusion. He thought they were “holding back.” He said he did not know why, but his impression was that Tenet and Reno possibly thought the White House “didn’t really want to know,” since the principals’ discussions by November suggested that there was not much White House interest in conducting further military operations against Afghanistan in the administration’s last weeks. He thought that, instead, President Clinton, Berger, and Secretary Albright were concentrating on a last minute push for a peace agreement between the Palestinians and the Israelis. Some of Clarke’s fellow counterterrorism officials, such as the State Department’s Sheehan and the FBI’s Watson, shared his disappointment that no military response occurred at the time. Clarke recently recalled that an angry Sheehan asked rhetorically of Defense officials:“Does al Qaeda have to attack the Pentagon to get their attention?”
I keep forgetting to leave this link for any interested observers.
ICT-The International Institute for Counter-Terrorism
Founded in 1996, the International Institute for Counter-Terrorism (ICT) is the leading academic institute for counter-terrorism in the world, facilitating international cooperation in the global struggle against terrorism. ICT is an independent think tank providing expertise in terrorism, counter-terrorism, homeland security, threat vulnerability and risk assessment, intelligence analysis and national security and defense policy.
I use this site (among many others) in my continuing education program on the dangers to my family. I believe in knowing as much as I can in order to make good decisions.
Someone needs to devote a website to the Dangers of the Obama Administration and it’s backers (if only we knew who they all were).
Breitbart is doing all he can, He has commited to opening up new websites in addition to Big Government and Big Hollywood.
Papa Ray
Hey Whiskey, in case you missed it, Abdulmuttalab is the son of a wealthy Nigerian banker and former government official. In London his place of residence was a family mansion. He could more than afford to marry and I daresay he would have had a huge choice of candidates, many suitable to his family as well. If there are any sexual motivations at all behind his terrorist vocation, it might be that he is a homosexual with deep self-loathing. May I suggest a cure of gay porn and massage parlors to go with the bacon bits? Or counselling from a Gay community outreach group. But then again perhaps his motivations originate elsewhere.
As for your fantasy of a Times Square massacre, I guess the various police forces in and around NYC have absolutely no informants at all and are as dumb as a wooden post, and spend their days and nights twiddling their thumbs and crossing their toes. Please recall that the Mumbai terrorist attack was staged from a hijacked boat and that the police who were in initial contact with the terrorists did not have reliable effective firearms (or the training to react effectively), and hence were massacred when they tried to stop the terrorists. Completely different scenarios.
Josh @ 35: You got me right. “JFS @ 29: The reality is that these folks do not see a problem with death. So, we do as oMan suggests, no problem, right? Repeated sufficiently, the issue is resolved. No problem, indeed.
But you know, that “death” stuff is just bluster. King Hussein showed that thirty years ago. He killed 10,000 or so and the other 3,000,000 suddenly behaved quite nicely. You just have to make the point clearly, the enemy is quite rational, just not as delicate as we like to pretend we are. It’s the anthropological tradition of a desert peoples, always have more people than resources, competition is fierce, jihad a good use of your defectives. Have to get beyond that to make the point.”
If you drop a demo bomb and they fail to get the point, you work down the target list until enough of them are enjoying Paradise that you can resume a civilized life. You will be aided in this work by the fact that most of the Islamists are not stone-cold fanatics and will be highly motivated to rat out or take out those in their midst who are bringing down the hurt. It will be messy but war is like that. And since we’re in it, I figure we should do everything we can to win it.
Everything.
By the time police reacted it would be too late to help hundreds or maybe even thousands.
If they have any intel that is solid they would just call off the Times Square celebration. Then the terrorists have still won, just in a different manner.
And even if not on person was killed (except maybe for the terrorists) if there were wide spread panic and fear, the terrorists have won again.
OH…as far as Abdulmuttalab’s sex life, he is ruined as far as being a normal man. Islam instills such a backward primitive attitude in Muslim Men (those that practice Islam and are believers) that some can’t hardly stand to be in the same room alone with a woman. The only women that they can have relations with are women that are whores (soiled, spoiled women) and they never would marry those. You should do some reading, it is a pitiful thing to be so afraid of and at the same time despise women as so many practicing Muslims are.
But no surprise as they are raised from little boys in that atmosphere and teaching.
That is why Islam has strict rules about women and any interaction with women especially their wives.
Papa Ray
When it comes to plugging a few holes in Homeland Security and holding back the flood of Muslim Terror, FEAR NOT! Janet Napolitano has her fingers in the dike.
Islam teaches fear of and contempt for women, fear of sex outside of marriage, fear and hatred of homosexuals. Shia square the sexual circle by having the 2 hour marriage contract. They really do think that their god is such a dunce as to fall for that. It isn’t done to avoid the degradation of the women. They are still whores. It is done to get around the expectation that sex in marriage is more likely to get you into paradise. Of course that leaves an out for the use of infidel captives but they tend to be in short supply in an islamic state. In Europe they are in plentiful supply and rape gangs are reportedly common in Sweden now.
To be blogged under the title “Squaresville.”
74/LOTM,
My point was that, contrary to what Whiskey was asserting, Abdulmuttalab was almost certainly not deprived of a wife or of sexual relations with women. His father is from reports a wealthy and influential banker and is after all his father. So his sociopathy is not due to despair over a lack of a wife, nor is it due to grinding poverty.
Atta’s hatred and disgust of women is even more remarkable. If most muslim men were like him there would be no muslims after a few generations — and voila no conflict with Islam.
Perhaps Atta, Abdulmuttalab and other Islamist terrorists were motiveted by self-loathing due to being gay in a very gay-intolerant society. In any case, mocking them as homosexuals might be a useful way to discredit them. Or not (don’t know much about how that would play in the minds of potential al-quaeda recruits).
Also: was he on drugs or did he take local anesthesia? Being impassive with a fire at your groin seems to me impossible without help. And of course there’s the castration allusion — how was he to service those virgins without the parts? Maybe that way he wouldn’t have to…
Morton, I just know you didn’t mean to suggest that Janet has dyke fingers.
NahnCee,
Wrong Janet. Wrong Administration.
Simone BC,
We are not in conflict. The flawed nature of Allah as a god in Islam is something I have mentioned before.
40: JBean: He visited Houston, TX in 2008, home to a large Nigerian community, notorious for Medicare/Medicaid fraud, and complete with an Egyptian-trained Imam at a Mosque catering to Nigerians. Who were his contacts in Houston?
Is there any connection to the arson running rampant in Houston? Hmmmm.
Another dot to connect?
My first guess is that crime sprees in Houston could indicate the presence of former Katrina refugees. It would be a stretch to find a link between that mob and Nigerians. We have Texans in the Club, do any of them have info on this?