Over Detroit
An incident previously described as a passenger setting off firecrackers on a Northwest Airlines flight between Amsterdam and Detroit is now being referred to as a possible terrorist attack. Fox News reports that a passenger tried to ignite a powder aboard the aircraft and was said to have been acting under instructions from al-Qaeda.
A male passenger reportedly linked to terrorist organization al-Qaeda ignited a powdery substance prior to landing on a Delta Airlines flight to Detroit Friday. The suspect is believed to be Nigerian, Fox News reported. …
The suspect, who suffered second-degree burns, told federal investigators he was directed by al-Qaeda, though authorities are questioning the veracity of that statement, ABC reported. A federal situational awareness bulletin noted that the explosive was acquired in Yemen with instructions as to when it should be used, ABC said.
The FBI was on the scene, Detroit office spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold told NewsCore. Berchtold declined to comment on the reports of a terrorist connection.
Earlier the BBC had described the event as involving “firecrackers”.
A passenger on board a transatlantic Northwest Airlines flight set off firecrackers as it was arriving in the US city of Detroit, the airline says. The blast caused panic on board the Airbus 330, which had flown from Amsterdam in the Netherlands. Several people were slightly injured.
ABC News now says the suspect was on a “no fly list” and that the powder he was trying to ignite was concealed taped to his leg. A syringe of chemicals was said to have been added to the mixture.
The man was apparently already on the government’s no-fly list of suspected terrorists, according to a senior intelligence official.
“The subject is claiming to have extremist affiliation and that the device was acquired in Yemen along with instructions as to when it should be used,” a federal situational awareness bulletin stated.
The suspect told authorities that he had explosive powder taped to his leg and used a syringe of chemicals to mix with the powder that was to cause explosion. This is of concert because it is a method of mixing that is consistent with terror techniques.
MSNBC, citing an airline source, says that a passenger jumped the man as he was trying to light the powder after two other passengers noticed him in the act. “Two people noticed the attempt and a third person jumped on the man and subdued him, an airline official told NBC News.” Additional reportage from Metro Detroit suggests the suspect had actually managed to ignite something before the passenger jumped him. The incident which took place around Row 16 was in the area where economy ended and business class began, if this seating layout of an NWA Airbus 330 is accurate. Metro Detroit wrote:
Syed Jafry of Holland, Mich., said people ran out of their seats to tackle the man. Jafry was sitting in the 16th row when he heard “a pop and saw some smoke and fire.”
Jafry said there was a little bit of commotion for about 10 to 15 minutes. He said the way passengers responded made him proud to be an American.
Passengers Richard Griffith of Pontiac said he was unaware of the incident until departing the plane. He said he was sitting in the back of the plane and did not “see or hear anything.” His wife and daughter, who had been waiting for him at the airport since about 11:40 a.m., said they saw a person they believe to be the suspect being transported from the airport. Dawn Griffith said he was “young looking” and was handcuffed to a stretcher, with his hands bandaged.
The area around Row 16 appears to be slightly forward or above the wing. Some versions of the Airbus A330 have a large central fuel tank around this area. A special article in the Daily Mail about the loss of another Airbus A330 — Air France 447 — highlighted the safety concerns over a “vapor filled central fuel tank” and the vulnerability of the Kapton wiring in this fly-by-wire airplane. A diagram of the fuel system of the A330 is shown below. Source: IASA
Ed Block, an American air investigator, has long been trying to draw attention to the dangers of some wire types. It was he who found the evidence of the likely cause of the disaster on TWA Flight 800, a Boeing 747 that blew up off Long Island in 1996, killing all 230 on board. He concluded the problem had been short circuits, or arcs, that ultimately led to sparking in the vapour-filled central fuel tank. …
On every model built until at least 2006 – Airbus won’t say if new aircraft are fitted with it now – it employed ‘aromatic polyimide’, better known by its trade name, Kapton. The next Atlantic disaster after TWA 800 shows why Block is concerned: the loss of the Kapton-wired Swissair Flight 111 off Nova Scotia in 1998, caused when its entertainment-system wiring caught fire. … In 2005 Nasa announced its space shuttles would not fly beyond 2010, partly because each contained 140 to 157 miles of Kapton. Worse, there was no reliable means to detect whether hidden lengths of wire were already damaged, and hence prone to arcing – an event which can produce temperatures in excess of 5,000°C and the spewing of red-hot copper ‘beebies’. …
Who knows whether al-Qaeda was aiming to damage the most vulnerable area of the A330? As more information comes in the reported facts may be clarified or changed. After all, the incident was originally described as a “firecracker” disturbance. But if initial reports settle down around the narrative, a number of questions suggest themselves.
- Did the security systems and procedures fail? How did a man on a no-fly list bring explosive powder and a syringe full of chemicals onto a plane from Schipol airport?
- Was the airplane saved only the vigilance — some might call it vigilanteeism — of a passenger? After the Flying Imams case, it has become legally dangerous to presume too much. In this case the passengers appear to have acted on their instincts.
- Does the incident suggest that a wave of attacks has been planned over the Christmas and New Year’s holidays?
NPR says the FBI in investigating and that “White House spokesman Bill Burton said President Obama had been notified of the incident and was monitoring the situation.” Reuters adds:
Obama spoke by conference call with national security advisers and then he “instructed that all appropriate measures be taken to increase security for air travel,” Burton said. “The president is actively monitoring the situation and receiving regular updates. There is currently no change to his schedule,” he said.
Update
More details have emerged in the WSJ. The suspect is Abdul Mudallad, a 23-year-old Nigerian national. He attempted to detonate the device just as the aircraft began lowering the landing gear on its approach to the runway. Contrary to earlier reports, Mudallad was not on a “no-fly” list, but nevertheless figured in a number of terrorist databases. He was subdued by a male Dutch passenger.
The passenger was identified by authorities as Abdul Mudallad, a 23-year-old Nigerian national, according to Rep. Peter King, a New York Republican who is the ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee. The device was technologically advanced and potentially devastating, Mr. King said. “This was not a firecracker,” he said. …
Stephanie van Herk, a passenger from the Netherlands who was in seat 18B, said the Northwest plane had lowered its landing gear when she heard a loud bang. At first she thought the plane might have gotten a flat tire, but then she said saw a flame leap from the lap of a man sitting in the row behind her in the window seat, 19A. …
Mr. King said the suspect’s name did not appear on any of the terrorist watch lists maintained by U.S. authorities, but that the Nigerian national did turn up “hot” in other terrorism-related databases maintained by intelligence officials. … The man told investigators that he was given the device by al Qaeda operatives in Yemen, where he was also given instructions on how to detonate it, the U.S. official said. …
Once passengers realized the suspect’s pants were on fire, they called for water, according to Ms. Van Herk, her sister, Dominique van Herk, and their cousin, Celeste van Herk.
The man was pulling his burning pants down, Stephanie van Herk said. She and several other passengers got water from the galley and the man was doused with water. Then a male Dutch passenger jumped on the perpetrator, Ms. van Herk said.
Once the man was subdued, he was taken to business class and his hands were bound, she said. A few moments later the plane was on the ground, and several security officers boarded the plane and took the suspect away, she said.
Seat 19A is right over the wing and near the fuel tanks as shown in the diagram above, taken from an NWA passenger guide to seating on an A330. The shaded area represents the swept-back wing. Presumably, Mudallad timed his actions to coincide with the lowering of the landing gear, which signified that the airliner was over Detroit. Had his explosives worked correctly, the Airbus might have crashed into the city itself with incalculable results. Yeman, as some may recall, has been the scene of the “secret war” against al-Qaeda featured in several recent posts on the Belmont Club. Just as the press has said that such and such an attack has been a retaliation for “Iraq” or “Afghanistan” or “Gaza’ — pick a place, it might be a mistake to think that this incident represents a retaliation for “Yemen”, because by extension it would be “Obama’s fault”. In reality, al-Qaeda declared war against America long ago for very general reasons. That war isn’t over, however certain political organizations wish to believe it.
Considering that Mudallad was only tackled by the brave Dutchman only after his pants were on fire, and presumably after he had activated his malfunctioning device, the salvation of the flight owed a lot to good fortune. Santa was on the plane on that occasion. But he may not be on the next.
Update 2
Still more details emerged. The suspect is now believed to be an engineering student in the University College in London who originated his flight in Nigeria and transited through Amsterdam. The conflagration in his trousers apparently ensued as he was trying to inject chemicals into the container of powder taped to his legs. The suspect now denies any connection with al-Qaeda. The LA Times reports:
The suspect — an engineering student at University College of London, according to ABC News and NBC News — began his trip Thursday from Nigeria and caught the flight in Amsterdam. It was not clear Friday whether Mutallab underwent security screening in Amsterdam or merely changed planes there.
It also was uncertain Friday night whether the suspect had ties to a terrorist organization or had attempted the attack on his own, authorities said. Despite earlier reports that he had claimed a connection to Al Qaeda, Mutallab denied any such link in later statements to FBI agents interrogating him, the anti-terrorism official said.
“Right now he is saying he was not part of an organization or a coordinated effort. I want to caution people from jumping headlong into the Al Qaeda link because it’s a very murky area,” the official said.
The suspect smuggled a powder aboard the plane in a container taped to his leg, the official said. Covering himself with a blanket to hide his actions, he used a syringe to inject a liquid into the powder, and a fire resulted from the combustible mix, according to the official, who did not identify the materials.
Meanwhile, the Washington Post says President Obama has received briefings from his counterterrorism aides. However Homeland Security said it would not raise the alert level, although passengers “may notice additional screening measures, put into place to ensure the safety of the traveling public on domestic and international flights”.
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So the obvious question, why was he on the plane if he was on the “no fly” list? Good on those passengers. This is the age where we all have to be alert. We are all Marshalls now. When I first read about firecrackers, I thought, whaaat? Thank God they failed again, unfortunately we won’t always be so lucky.
Merry Christmas to all.
“The suspect, who suffered second-degree burns, told federal investigators he was directed by al-Qaeda, though authorities are questioning the veracity of that statement,”
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No doubt a ploy to insure that he will enjoy the best legal defense that the American Taxpayer can buy.
Merry Christmas from the Religion of Pieces…er Peace.
I guess we are really lucky that since January 20, 2009 that there is no such thing as Terrorism, or war on its practicioners. Further that Al Quada is no longer a threat. Otherwise, that might have been yet another “unprecedented” event.
Buraq Hussein Obama has been saved from a profound political embarassment that it would have taken the efforts of the entire government controlled media to counter; by the simple fact that Al Quada’s ordnance department has severe quality control problems. The Annus Horribilis 2010 is starting early I see.
Subotai Bahadur
No Sky Marshall on this flight ?
“No doubt a ploy to insure that he will enjoy the best legal defense that the American Taxpayer can buy.”
Or a bid for the attention of the University of Michigan’s Fast Track Tenure Committee.
“No Sky Marshall on this flight?”
I’ve heard that they are not on every flight, although my knee-jerk reaction would be that flights from Europe (and especially “Little Hezbollah” cities like Amsterdam) would receive priority attention.
“So the obvious question, why was he on the plane if he was on the “no fly” list? ”
Because the list is only enforceable in US airports. We request that overseas airlines/airports cooperate, but most of dhimmified Europe doesn’t.
Hussein has ordered, from his $4000/night retreat in Hawaii, a complete investigation to INSURE fright safety.
I meant flight safety.
MERRY CHRISTMAS to all BCers near and far.
Bohemond @ 10: Isn’t the US airline *allowed* to enforce a no-fly list? Don’t you think they might want to?
Sounds like an individual nutjob, mostly because it failed, but al qaeda is pretty amateur from top to bottom so who knows, start by assumng the worst.
Not that the enforcement is much better than amateur …
Color me naive but wouldn’t Northwest Airlines operations have had a passenger list for that flight? Or a passenger list for any flight destined for U.S. soil, for that matter. And having such a list, would they not be able to check it against a “no fly” list BEFORE a plane reaches U.S. air space?
Or doesn’t their internet connect reach to Amsterdam?
With great reluctance I’ll yield to the spirit of the season and avoid mentioning the difficulty of finding pieces of a blown apart airliner in most of the urban areas of Detroit. But I was tempted.
the dirtbag in chief will never do anything. if he isnt muslim then he’s just a simpleton. he’s not at war with the scum but they are at war with us. he doesn’t get it that its his Job to protect the citizens of this nation. what a treacherous dumb guy we got stuck with, and all the character of a bedbug.
How long before the usual suspects accuse the passengers who jumped the guy of being racists and “acting stupidly”?
For want of a nail, the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe, the horse was lost.
For want of a horse, the rider was lost.
etc.
We need our security efforts to be successful 100% of the time. They need their efforts to be successful only 1% of the time to cause damage.
The reporting on this says a lot. Fireworks? Not sure if the Nigerian’s admission of links to AQ are for real?
Minimize the danger of really dangerous things like terrorism and a nuclear Iran. Maximize the dangers of things that are not, like global warming and the alleged “health crisis.” That seems to be the technique and so far it seems to be working.
As I have often asked, “Is this how Dark Ages start?”
This incident is completely inexplicable given the Admin’s decisions to close Gitmo and to treat the terrorists as if they were U.S. Citizens, with access to the U.S. civil justice system.
One can only assume that the Left’s concern over those two issues is because they that they represent the main source of Islamic anger with the U.S., given that the announced plans to get out of both Iraq and Afghanistan as well as not support the Anti-radical protesters in Iran.
Yes, this incident is inexplicable – if you accept the Obama worldview.
This incident is completely inexplicable given the Admin’s decisions to close Gitmo and to treat the terrorists as if they were U.S. Citizens, with access to the U.S. civil justice system.
One can only assume that the Left’s concern over those two issues is because they that they represent the main source of Islamic anger with the U.S., given the announced plans to get out of both Iraq and Afghanistan as well as not support the Anti-radical protesters in Iran.
Yes, this incident is inexplicable – if you accept the Obama worldview.
#10,Bohemond
An American air line flying into an American city, and we have no say about the no fly list? Somehow I find that difficult to believe. This was a screw up…almost a Royal screw up.
Why don’t these sub-humans go to the lavatory to set off their bombs? Are they that ignorant?
The Empress is going to fly soon (dang — I’m not going with). I’ll probably hear a story about her being hassled and perfume being confiscated or similar.
There is a movement going on to prohibit those on the no-fly list to be further prohibited from possessing guns. What a crock, genuine terrorists get on anyway and some poor schmuck who POed some congressman is on the list and gets hassled for it.
Was the passenger who “jumped” him an American, or a Yurpizoid? I’m guessing the vigilante probably was NOT a Viking.
(Nigerian means the perp is black. A black muslim … oh lord, let the accusations of racism and anti-Muslim-ism begin now, starting with Rev’s Sharpton and Jackson holding hands with CAIR.)
As I understand it, a sky marshal is good against folks who wave weapons or attempt to leave their seats in a threatening manner.
A sky marshal is of little use against a quiet, seated, suicidal passenger who does something equivalent to scratching his leg.
I’ll bet Row 16 passenger X wore baggy pants and a mixing system that contained no metallic parts. He boarded at an airport where the threat of terrorism seems very remote and the screeners go through the motions, but never get pro-active.
I will bet that during his long flight he fidgeted and knocked something loose or out of alignment.
Too complicated a delivery system, too simple a delivery man.
From what I can tell, Schipol airport is one of the stricter places. So given the multiple failures this person may represent, my guess is that the Feds are going to be looking for inside help. They are going to have to come up with a theory of how a person on a no fly list with suspicious chemicals on his person could get aboard.
Maybe it just happened. We all know that security isn’t perfect. But I’m sure the investigators are going to be looking at a bunch of angles.
CNN reports:
The White House is calling today’s Northwest Airlines incident an attempted terrorist attack.
THe metal detectors detect metal. Gunpowder taped to the leg with a vial of liquid accelerant would only be detected by a pat-down and chemical Explosives Trace Detection (ETD) systems. Since this person was screened overseas I can not speak to their protocols. In America TSA conducts physical pat-downs on people who can not go through metal detectors, because of pace makers usually but anyone can request the pat-down. Some people are selected for Special Screening because they are on a list or randomly. If a Behavior Detection Officer, they are rare in America, the rule in Israel and should be everywhere, was around and they had seen this guy then he almost certainly would have been flagged and pulled for additional screening. The ACLU fights physical pat-downs and most security procedures. Efforts to send all passengers through ETD walk through puffers have failed as the machines proved unreliable.
If the US CBP was doing pre-screening at the point of embarkation, they do in some but not most places, then they might have encountered the guy. Customs very rarely does physical pat-downs for an inspection not incident to an arrest, far less then TSA does. They are not screening for explosives but for visas, drugs or other smuggled valuables and admissibility to the United States. Customs should be put in charge of TSA in America, changing from Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Officers to Customs Immigration and Transportation Control Officers (CITCO) with the TSA reverted back to being Screeners.
Richard Reid should appreciate that al-Qeada considers the near anniversary of his effort worthy of repetition. It would be interesting if the bomber here had intended to make an attempt on the 22nd, Reid’s anniversary, or was the plan focused on Christmas day.
You know what? I don’t care if obama calls every line perfectly from here on out. If his handlers tell him to play it differently (think Daley’s editorial yesterday, taking him to task)…and he responds for the sake of his own hide, I don’t care. We know who he is and what he is. He’s been as exposed as any fraud has ever been, so I really don’t care what he has said or not said from Hawaii.
I PRAY that the JCs are having meetings on behalf of America that nobody knows about.
I have trouble comprehending the mindset of the fools surrounding him that they think it’s a wonderful thing to come and tell us all that he’s “monitoring the situation”. Oh, goody. Of course, if he tried to act like he really cared and wanted to use American muscle to protect us (like George W. Bush did by simply taking a breath) he would look incredibly foolish.
I suspect that’s exactly what he’s doing with Major Hussein Hasan of Ft Hood fame as well, monitoring…..in between the getwell notes he sends him.
sounds like a case of ‘stress’ to me.
Nothing to see,
Move along.
HOW MANY TERRORIST ACTS HAVE WE HAD SINCE BIG O GOT TO POWER?
2 plots in New York
4 dead policemen in Washington State
servicemen killed in Arkansas recruiting office
14 dead Servicemen and women in Ft. Hood(1 unborn baby)
and today’s attempt to blow a plane
Bravo to the Commies and Muslim lovers in power.
helloooo….at least President Bush kept us safe after 9/11
Went through Schipol almost a year ago to the date. Not one security check until boarding. Unlike US airports, where security is done after ticket check in and well before the gate. At Schipol, you check in for flight/bags, go through customs, and then you can roam the airport at will. No security until boarding time.
“The president is actively monitoring the situation and receiving regular updates. There is currently no change to his schedule,”
Wow! I’m relieved now. Oh, wait. TSA is still “screening” passengers, aren’t they? Would they be the same one’s who wanted to strip search an 80 year old man. Holder of the Medal of Honor, former governor of North Dakota, because he’d been ‘selected by a computer’.
Of course there is insufficient data at this point (at least publicly) as to what he was trying to do, I would guess that he was attempting to light some thermite. Although it is difficult to do it can be started by a mixture of potassium permanganate and ethylene glycol ( common anti-freeze for your car). That might account for the syringe. They are hypergolic– the reaction starts all by itself when they come into contact.
And, if there was thermite present and it had ignited, it would have burned right down through the floor, possibly into the fuel tank.
#31 Palinista
4 dead policemen in Washington State?
I missed the connection on that one, as horrifying as it was. One can’t blame Obama for every evil act in the world.
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A window in time. On the day we celebrate Jesus Christ coming to bring peace, joy and salvation to those who sit in darkness, a deranged follower of the homicidal moon god tries to kill more innocents . Of course in the eyes of the secularists among us all religion is oppressive and a threat to the world.
There might be a connection to these recent shenanigans in Yemen since the latest reports (though still very sketchy) are pointing to a Yemeni connection.
Aside to Palinista: Yeah, right — that Fort Hood dude joined the Army after finishing college in 1995, which means he was there all through Bush’s 8 years. Terrorism overall shot up a lot under Bush. Right wingers, though, like to not count 9/11 or civilian casualties in Iraq when looking at Bush’s record, which sort of reminds me an old joke: “Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”
Does anyone else find the prominence of one “Syed Jafry” in virtually all coverage interesting? I have now seen his name appear in at least six or seven separate online articles and have heard him interviewed on CNN, FOX, and a local Detroit station. He has been quoted gushing “how proud I am to be an American!” in several places already.
Curious.
Though this Muslim-sounding man (in both name and by his thick ME accent) had nothing to do with the take-down, didn’t have a very good view of the incident, provides vague imprecise data, and was one among hundreds of passengers, this is the man the media chooses to interview repeatedly?
Is news about this incident being stage managed to make a positive counter-impression about Muslims???
It’s early going on this one, but Richard Reid comes to mind. A joke in the early going: “He was trying to light his shoe? Ha!” Not so amusing when all the facts were in, though.
I do hope our petulant president wasn’t too inconvenienced by having to turn his attention away from the opulent indulgence of his vacation digs. Let him eat his waffle, and pray that others care enough to protect America.
Why is a Muslim from Nigeria coming to our country in the first place? Doesn’t he need a VISA from our State Dept. to board the plane and enter the USA? What business did he have here? And why would we grant him permission to enter? I mean, Nigeria? He was probably running email scams before he decided to join Al Qaida!
“4 dead policemen in Washington State? I missed the connection on that one, as horrifying as it was. One can’t blame Obama for every evil act in the world.”
I’m guessing that the intended connections are: (1) Obama chose to have close ties with unapologetic Stalinist terrorists, (2) Obama chose to spend 20 years in a hate-America/hate-white-people church, (3) Obama’s election spurred a rise in aggressive anti-white acts, (4) Obama quashed the prosecution Black Panthers guilty of racist intimidation at a polling place, (5) Obama says police who deal firmly with an out-of-control racist university professor are behaving “stupidly” because everyone knows that black people are angels and white people are devils.
Last spring I was in Toronto with family. The CN Tower was on the place to visit list, having never been in C-eh
before (I’ve been there on a previous visit). As we were in line to get on the elevator to go to the top we had to walk through a scanner that emitted a series of air puffs.
I concluded it was a sniffer of some sort attempting to sniff explosives of some sort. I notified the security person that my outer garment may have traces of gunpowder on it being something I will wear when hunting. They told me no problem and all went w/o a hitch.
I can not recall if we went through a traditional metal detector but maybe it was all built into one device.
I’ve never got the feeling Euro Airports did not take security lightly. Walk around Leonardo Da Vinci for about 30 seconds and you see guys walking with sub-machine guns conspicuously displayed. I never saw that at any other airport but at Heathrow I probably feel under serious scrutiny for two jars of spaghetti seasoning. They did not say anything to me about it, but they put them out in front of me and ran my camera through the X-Ray twice.
I spent a layover in Schipool back in ’98 and can not recall much about it other than a neat tour I took and the good bread from which their sandwiches were made from.
I’ve long ago concluded that some airports will make a conspicuous show of security and some do not. Not everyone gets busted for being naughty by an overt in your face confrontation with security. Behind the scenes inspections and low key question asking — all the while someone behind a mirror or a closed circuit monitor is watching your every twitch.
Radical Islam has been around a long time. The specific fatwa which led to 9/11 was issued against Wiliam Perry and Bill Clinton. It was in part, for Desert Storm. Operation Bojinka, the dress rehearsal for 9/11, was active for a long time.
The war was on for years before 9/11. In recent history it has multiple roots and Wright’s the Looming Tower is a good account of some of them. Speaking of Yemen, the Cole was was struck there. This came around the time of the Khobar Towers bombing and a whole bunch of other stuff that happened in the 1990s. The WTC itself fell on the second attack, the first was an attempted truck bomb driven into its underground parking garage.
I guess people can believe what they want about it all be George Bush’s fault. If that’s convenient for them to think, there’s nothing one can do. But the facts, alas are otherwise. Here’s a fearless forecast. Terrorism will not decline under Obama. I hope I am wrong about that, but I don’t think so.
There’s fantasy and there’s reality. The “just firecrackers” is fantasy. The murderous intent is the reality. Will they stop when NYC is a radioactive crater? Who knows? Who knows if they’ll stop even then?
Five miscellaneous comments:
Isn’t it a relief to know that our airport security measures were posted on line recently?
Ironic that the terrorist was flying into a MI airport. MI is home to a very large Muslim population.
I don’t care what BO says. As others have already noted: We know who he is.
#31 – I would add the Jewish converst University of Binghamton professor who was knifed to death by a Saudi Arabian graduate student last month.
We need to close our borders NOW to all Muslims. That’s just the way it is. I realize not all Muslims wish to do us harm, but enough of a percentage of them do such that we don’t have the luxury of trying to figure out who’s who.
This makes one wonder how serious Obama is regarding American lives.
The Jihad attack at Fort Hood which Obama termed a non-terror attack.
Obama’s recent ‘Clinton style’ cruise missile attack on Yemen soil, the roll back of 9/11 surveillance rules, outlawing of terrorist profiling, allowing Gitmo terrorist to be given all the same legal rule as normal American citizens, Richard Ried and TATP shoe bombs and the list goes on and on.
Obama seem more interested in his own political survival than the survival of American people.
[A quick review]
“Reid was arrested on the ground while the rest of the passengers were bussed to the main terminal. Authorities later found over 100 grams of plastic TATP and PETN hidden in the hollowed soles of his black basketball shoes…”
Richard Ried
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Liquid explosives
http://tinyurl.com/y9xobja
Bojinka plot and Ramzi Mohammed Yousef
‘…He talked about the bombs. “Nobody can think that it’s… explosive”, he said, referring to the watches Ramzi Yousef planned to put on the airliners. He said that the nitroglycerin “which even you’ll put in the X-ray, you will never, nobody can” detect it.’
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Morton,
The chance *_ANY_* flight to/from Detroit will have an American of Arab heritage is nearly 100%. So the fact they were talking to an Arab on that flight is fairly innocuous.
Drive through the UP on highway 28 & highway 2. At some lonely crossroads village there is a little store called “Rashid’s Market”, Rasid is the last name one would expect up there.
Morton and Marcus, this is a target rich environment for surveillance. Why shake down Old Grannies of UK decent when scarce intelligence resources could be used more efficiently in this area? This guy was not a Mormon, Catholic or a Quaker. He had a profile. He should have been looked at more carefully. The race victim card doesn’t impress me. Profiling works.
Morton – You raise an interesting point. And while (as poster #46 points out) there is a large Muslim population in MI, there are certainly plenty of folks who are not. I also wondered a bit about the name and the coverage.
let’s not jump to conclusions per obama-kennedy
I will probably be moving back to the approximate Detroit area early next, and having come from there originally, I’m somewhat aware of the Muslim overpopulation there. Nevertheless, with a reported 277 passengers onboard to choose from, why this Muslim?, and why feture a Muslim who takes pains to say he’s proud of the take-down heroes, and “proud to be an American”? BTW for what it’s worth, I’ve read here and elsewhere that the hero is not an American but a Dutchman…
It will be interesting to see what new treatments travellers will be subject to after this gift of brotherhood from Islam.
Think of it: a few years ago a lone smelly Jihadi named “Richard Ried” boarded a plane with a few dollars in chemicals, and the West now spends tens of billions annually and squanders billions of additional man-hours screening and humiliating innocent infidels. We do this ostensibly to weed out the needle in the haystack terrorist. But it must be said we also treat everyone like a potential terrorist so Muslims can travel freely without ‘feeling’ singled out. Even so, there have been dozens upon dozens of cases where Muslims have acted provocatively to either test the system’s weaknesses, or claim victim status and t intimidate. Readers must underrstand these are ALL forms of Jihad.
It is now blatantly obvious security measures have failed, and but for some blessed luck or miracle, their Jihad failed today. Still, I must ask:
How much can civilization continue to spend and waste? How much more must we contort and abuse ourselves to accommodate Muslims thin skins, especially when our billions in security and billions more in lost time can be thwarted so easily, and SO CHEAPLY? The asymmetry of the financial and human cost of accommodating Muslims in the West blow my mind.
The astronomical imbalance between the cost which Islam incurs to terrorize, intimidate, and harass us, vs the costs we incur to ineffectually fight against their Jihad will bankrupt us.
Hilarious that the teabaggers are somehow blaming Obama for this dude’s crime. My goodness, we were attacked while Bush was in office and I – one of the biggest Bush haters out there – didn’t blame him for that. My God, to read some of these posts on Christmas of all days… I am saddened by the BS spewed here. “ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIM!” seems to be the cry…Timothy McVeigh was a Muslim? I thought he was a Baptist?
MarkieBee@52
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but if you run a correlation of terrorist incidents against ideology of perpetrators, you get a “hockey stick” graph in the last few years. If it’s good enough for AGW,…
Marcus Aurelius @ 42
Marcus, Marcus, Marcus, poor dear Marcus.
Toronto isn’t in Canada. Canada is the top part of North America that surrounds Toronto. Toronto is a Potemkin village constructed by white wine socialists as a facade to represent a version of Canada to unsuspecting foreigners.
It is A version of Canada, but it isn’t The Canada.
If I may put it another way, much of your political present is our recent past.
Re-establishing normalcy is still an ongoing process.
You’re a brave man to have ventured into the heart of darkness. I’ve not had the courage or inclination since 1984.
Besides, who wants to spend their vacation telling every second person to $@!&;;!off…for that, I could have just stayed in London.
Overflowing with the spirit of goodwill toward you and all good men, I remain
Heyyoukids
Trolls, go find some other sandbox to play in.
Like has been ably pointed out already, and EVERYONE here knows already, air travel can never be 100% secure. It sounds like this should have sent up a few warning flags (terror-connected foreigner on a one-way ticket) – but in order to have a secure system that would have caught this, well, i’m not sure I want to live in that world.
The best defense is a good offense. Sigint, NSA interceptions, infiltration, and digging a bunker in the Afghanistan desert and putting up a sign saying “Jihadis, please come here to die.”
Mort ask a good question:
“…the West now spends tens of billions annually and squanders billions of additional man-hours screening and humiliating innocent infidels… How much can civilization continue to spend and waste? How much more must we contort and abuse ourselves to accommodate Muslims thin skins, especially when our billions in security and billions more in lost time can be thwarted so easily, and SO CHEAPLY? The asymmetry of the financial and human cost of accommodating Muslims in the West blow my mind.”
Muslim terrorists know how to use our legal system against us. It is in their holy book and their laws. They have waged actual war, economic war, legal war and psychological war against us. If Obama doesn’t realize this then he is a fool.
Obama doesn’t realize that they think their “law” is superior to our law and it’s now a war between sets of “laws.” It’s war of the most blatant type.
Obama should get out of his his smoke filled bubble in Hawaii and start acting like a CinC with some b@lls. He should designate this admitted agent an enemy combatant, get all the information possible information out of him and try him in a military tribunal.
We have the right to enforce our laws in our country. The enemy is trying to do the opposite. If Obama cannot or will not recognize this fact then he has no business being CinC. His job is to protect Americans not middle eastern terrorists. If cannot do his job then he should resign from office.
Schipol to Detroit strikes me as a travel route where passengers with Muslim names and features are less likely to be scrutinized. Familiarity breeds complacency and, in this case, contempt. Mudallad and his handlers knew the situation and played it well. That they are poor chemists working with unstable peroxide-based explosives is to their disadvantage, but eventually they will pull it off as the London bombers proved. Unfortunately, there is no easy solution to this dilemma in our current political environment–the PC crowd simply has too much power. I fear it will take another disaster before enough pressure builds on enough PC politicos to drop the PC absurdities that prevent effective screening, monitoring and interdiction. In the meantime–vigilance.
MarkeeBeGoode with the perfunctory “Timothy McVeigh was a Baptist” line of absurdity. Anyone at this point in time who fails to acknowledge that 99 and 44/100th percent of terrorists are Muslims is either stupid or a liar. Which is it Markee?
Hey, PC left/liberals– “Abdul,” Al Qaeda, trying to blow up a plane (again), etc.– can we start profiling now?
Why Markee, of course is a liberal and an Obama-lover, which means that s/he is both stupid *and* a liar. Need you ask?
In both the case of the Fort Hood and the NWA incidents, al-Qaeda is demonstrating a degree of strategic determination that is quite surprising. They are not trying to pick off smaller coalition countries but have run two direct operations at their core enemy’s homeland. At the same, both the Fort Hood and NWA episodes were “cheaper” operations than the multi-operative 9/11. They also had less destructive potential, though if the NWA aircraft had gone down in a crowded area there may have been hundreds or even thousands of dead and injured.
It’s a smart trade off: these types of attacks are better investments from their point of view. They have fewer moving parts and they can launch more attacks for the price of one, like a boxer who elects to jab rather than wait for the chance at a haymaker.
In both cases the attackers have survived. It’s interesting to consider whether this isn’t part of the operational plan. From al-Qaeda’s point of view, launching an attack inside America has certain attractions. For one, if the attacker fails or survives it means that there will be no tactical intelligence exploitation to speak of. Both Hassan and Mudallad don’t have to say anything to the authorities and any attempt to compel them to disclose information will immediately endanger the case against them. If Mudallad had tried this stunt in Yemen he would not be able to take the 5th.
Al-Qaeda is not manifesting any fear of America, or rather it is demonstrating that it understands how to play the game within the self-imposed limits of its adversary. To use an archaic expression from the Crimean War, the al-Qaeda are “under the guns” — attacking in places where American strength cannot be depressed sufficiently to bear on their targets. They will exploit every bit of politically correct dead ground there is and approach as close as they can in its protection.
And so far, they’ve been doing well.
The AQ had the defense beat in the NWA case. He was on the plane. He slipped past security. He activated his chemical device just as the wheels were being lowered for landing. Mudallad was like a basketball player heading for a layup only to have the ball catch on the rim. Had it not been for the unreliability of their chemical weaponry, the A300 might well have crashed on Detroit. And AQ would have been two for two this year.
Indeed, if you consider how obvious Major Hassan had been in the lead up to the Fort Hood attack, and when it is considered that Mudallad had a profile signature the size of a barn door, the inability of the defense to detect these attacks really suggests that the protective shield isn’t very good at all. The shield is bad because it is predictable. Like the Maginot line everybody knows where it begins and where it ends. The AQ understand political correctness, that Ardennes Forest of the 21st century and go right through it around the immobile mental forts of Homeland Security.
Detroit ought to thank its lucky stars for beating this one. But it’s possible that a third, fourth or fifth singleton is incoming — maybe it’s already enroute. Al Qaeda has shown it has the strategic discipline to keep trying and the smarts to seek out a weak point against a foe sunk in the stupor of denial. How long before the wheel of fortune turns and the enemy gets lucky and hits the jackpot?
Tcobb – I immediately thought thermite too. It takes about a kilo to breach a cabin.
As mentioned by some posters, surveillance in certain high density Muslim areas causes complacency and slip-shod performance. Of course, the enemy knows this also. He can use this known lax security to his advantage.
I hate to say it but, this guy is probably all lawyered up by now. We will get little useful information from the MSM.
To my main point – profiling works. The wise rancher doesn’t watch the barn walls he keeps his eye on the barn gate because that is where the animals get out and in. The same thing applies to security. Sure, there is a boat load of Muslims in Detroit and sure it is a big job to monitor them – but that’s they type of place that attracts terrorists – we just saw it.
If the enemy can only pull-off one act of terrorism here it will grind our air transportation system to a crawl. Then the entire US transportation system must be re-hardened causing billions in expenditures; even more money in lost revenue and long ugly search tactics by the government. Again, the enemy knows this and will use it to his advantage.
Sadly, Obama has allowed terrorists to our shores. We must realize that profiling is a fact of life. It happens in credit checks, background checks and so on. Let’s use it to weed out the terrorists.
Whatever Timothy McVeigh was he was not a good Baptist. The thing about jihadis is that by the nearly universal consent of the Ummah they are good moslems. Arguments may be made about their interpretation of certain passages in the koran or reliance on particular hadiths and the tactical appropriateness of a given action may be deplored or its impact on other moslems, as being less justifiable than the harm caused to infidels, may be condemned. Their goals, sincerity and conformance to the true spirit of the religion and their inclusion in paradise is not seriously disputed. In McVeigh’s case there is no equivalent theology that can be used to accept or even approve of his actions. Anyone who justifies the Oklahoma City bombing does so from a strictly secular perspective or according to the tenets of some cult that is farther from Protestant Christianity than Islam is from Nestorian Christianity.
To be blogged under the title “Debunking the McVeigh Analogy.”
#58 – Thanks for your post. Ditto to it.
MarkieBee@52 uses the pejorative of “teabagger”. Now, we need to own this. So Markie, are you the teabagee?
Sorting passengers for additional screening by the use of a trained Behavior Detection Officer (BDO) works. That does not mean that universal screening, including elderly men and girls who look like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm, can be abandoned. Terrorists are not only young men from the Middle-east. Members of other groups, especially Europeans who can blend in, are targeted for recruitment. Forty years ago the Palestinians learned how to seduce European girls and then give them a going away present to take on the plane. Just look at the movie “The Battle of Algiers” to see how over 50 years ago they used European looking girls to smuggle explosives past a check point. The film is fiction. The lessons are true.
To be blogged under the title “For Universal Screening.”
The argument about “McVeigh the Terrorist” falls apart immediately upon seeing that there has been exactly ONE Timothy McVeigh. One. Now lets count the number of successful and failed terrorist attacks that have been credited to Muslims. Let me know when you’ve finished counting.
A kilo of explosives that is. And it requires a casing. Thermite, not so much.
Obama should get out of his his smoke filled bubble in Hawaii and start acting like a CinC with some b@lls.
According to the folks over at Ace of Spades, it appears that the first version of the story in the WaPo was edited to obscure the fact that Teh Won was not notified about the incident until about 3 hours later:
First version: President Obama, celebrating Christmas in Hawaii, was told of the incident about three hours after the plane landed, officials said.
Revised version: The FBI is investigating the incident. President Obama, celebrating Christmas in Hawaii, was informed about it, a spokesman said, and he asked his aides to ensure that all measures are in place to provide security for air travel.
Ace himself comments, “[A fellow blogger] points out the possibility of multiple attacks, possibly requiring fast reaction. So why was the President allowed to snooze in Hawaii undisturbed?
I’m trying to not get too partisan about this, but it sure seems to me that this evidences a casualness about terrorist incidents that seems pretty dangerous.”
W said:
And it is predictable mainly because our betters worship at the altar of Political Correctness. All that needs to be done to interrupt the potential terrorist flow is stop randomizing spot search criteria and start targeting the logical subjects. But we try to be “nice” about it, so avoid using effective means. Isn’t the definition of ‘Insanity’ wobbling around in there somewhere?
70. PA Cat: Also, somewhere in one of the earlier versions of this story – but after the guy was subdued and arrested – the [Yahoo, I think] news report ended with this disclaimer: “No motive for the attack could be immediately determined.” I almost choked. Meant to save it but company arrived and I became distracted.
Permanganate:
I like the theory that permanganate was involved as an ignitor. Typically glycerine is the other reactant.
Permanganate / glycerine is used as an incendiary in aerial forest burning operations. Squirt glycerine onto permanganate in a small container – say a ping-pong ball – and drop it. After a few seconds it catches fire.
Now that is not going to do much to burn through a cabin floor, so I am betting that there was a more energetic material waiting to be ignited. There are a number of powdered metals that react with permanganate and can produce intense heat and/or explosion. For instance permanganate and aluminum powder will deflagrate (explode) with incredible energy. Other mixtures may react more slowly and produce an intense heat.
Perhaps there was thermite involved there as well (Aluminum & iron oxide)
Considering that Mudallad was only tackled by the brave Dutchman only after his pants were on fire, and presumably after he had activated his malfunctioning device, the salvation of the flight owed a lot to good fortune. Santa was on the plane on that …
LONG LIVE THAT BRAVE DUTCH MAN!~ a display not of Dutch courage but of real courage by a real Dutchman. BRAVO!
As per an eyewitness account, a passenger aboard the Detroit bound flight, a timely intervention by a Dutch passenger on board the flight may well have saved the day for the 273 passengers and 11 crew members.
as per an eyewitness account, a passenger aboard the Detroit bound flight, a timely intervention by a Dutch passenger on board the flight may well have saved the day for the 273 passengers and 11 crew members.
He that the Dutchman lunged at the suspect just as he was about to blow up the flight mid – air and quickly subdued and isolated him. BRAVO Mr Dutctman!
Then a male Dutch passenger jumped on the Nigerian terrorist on the Northwest Delta jet, van Herk said.
Then a male Dutch passenger jumped on the perpetrator, Ms. van Herk said.
Markie: There’s a lady at the counter.
WATERBOARD HIM NOW
“The film is fiction” Lifeofthemind@67.
Actually, I believe I am correct in saying that the film “The Battle of Algiers” is relatively historically accurate, but the lessons are certainly true, and the film is a handy quick and dirty intro to terror and counter-terror. An dense but good book on the period by Alistair Horne:
http://www.amazon.com/Savage-War-Peace-1954-1962-Classics/dp/1590172183/ref=tmm_pap_title_popover_0
Seasonal Greetings to all.
Once again, the “American Ostrich” mentality that seduces and deludes this and past administrations is fully evident. It is not that all Muslims are terrorists, but it is factual to say that Islam promotes a religious/geo-political system of beliefs that seeks to dominate the world, eliminate all other religions, and replace all secular law with sharia. Even the so-called “moderates” subscribe to these beliefs that the Koran teaches. Thus, it is time to end the idiocy within our borders via the US Supreme Court. There is a valid argument that Islam has no standing as a “religion” and that its adherents are subversives who seek to overthrow our country, as well as those countries that are not yet dominated by Islam.
LOTM @ 64.
A superbly relevant point, well made. I’m saving this one off. You really go to the heart of it here.
Sky Marshalls?
Are you joking?
Have you seen the doughnut eaters that are TSA agents?
If they were on board, they were stoned from Amsterdam and drunk from the freebies the stews give them.
Where have you been? These slugs are from your Government!
There are two holes in security
1. The metal-detector he stepped through at Schipol
2 The US visa system.
Winston.
Obama’s approval ratings are in free-fall.
Here’s my conspiracy theory.
With just a few commie-security agents, this kind of attack could have been tacitly let happen WITH Obama’s approval.
Remember how President Bush’s ratings were sky-high right after 9/11?
Maybe Barry hoped something like another terrorist attack from the sky would do the same for him. And as an added bonus, the Democrat controlled Congress could pass whatever draconian legislation Obama wanted in the next month or so all the name of increased “security.
Think about the benefits to Obama. Maybe this was an “inside” job.
This Nigerian is NOT a “terrorist”!!! He is a “man-caused disasterist”.
Another attempted “man-caused disaster” by a Swedish grandmother.
DHS’s “additional screening measures” had better start including rational, logical profiling.
The Western world would have been spared a lot of grief had Tod Beamer and his little band of patriots failed.
This device must have passed through multiple airports, perhaps in checked baggage. Seems like a bit of profiling would make the screening process a bit more effective, eh?
So, how are we doing, now that all the world loves us because we elected Obama? Well, by 1979, Jimmy Carter’s similar love-us-and-we’ll-love-you tactics were costing us one country per continent by year. President Obama’s abolition of the global war on terror etc. has resulted in:
1: We scrap our missile defense, Russia announces a new ICBM program;
2. Obama offers Tehran the open hand instead of the closed fist, Obama’s year-end deadline to halt nuke development is met with a pledge to build TEN more nuke enrichment plants;
3. Obama bullies into a meeting on fake global warming measures, and the next day China announced the world is out of money to buy American debt;
4. One Million Taxpayers show up in Washington D.C. on 9/12/09 and Obama calls us “teabaggers”;
5. By the end of his first year, Obama has worse disapproval ratings than Bush did after 8 years of concerted/contrived/contumacious disparagement of Bush by Dems, the media and our Euro-allies.
The country is in the very best of hands….
TSA is a joke.
True story. This summer my 18 year old son walked right onto two US planes through US security with a large switchblade knife in his bookbag carry on.
The knucklehead had forgotten about it when he packed.
Needless to say Israeli security found it before we boarded ElAl for the trip home. Thankfully they let him get on the plane with us. Here they would have been required to lock him up but Israel relies much more on judgement and skill and does a far better job. Here it is all about writing a bunch of rules and then hiring people who couldnt cut it at WalMart.
The professionalism is obvious the first time you meet an Israeli security agent. These are people who are highly trained, obviously proud of their skills and jobs, believe in their mission, and are mostly totally covert. You probably will not even know you had your first security check, just answered a few innocent questions from the attractive young lady helpfully checking paperwork as you wait for your boarding pass.
Thank goodness this bomb fizzled and the passengers acted quickly.
Spindok
Yikes, and double Yikes, you all (well most of you all) are living in a history denuded landscape.
1) Obama has waged a very determined predator war on the Jihadis (ask the Pakis who are very pissed about that)
2)Credit to the President who ordered the Helicopter borne assualt last month in Somalia which capped a biggie in Al Quaida
(what you did not hear about that on fox?)
3) He also ordered the predator strike on the “imam” who was in contact with the Fort Hood shooter, while HE may not have been at home when the Predator came knocking, some 26 of his closest buds were killed
It’s ok, just keep watchihg FOX
that way your world view can feed your misinformation filled worldview
Yes I am an Lib, Yes I voted for the President, YES he got 6 million more votes that McCain THAT is called how one runs a democracy with popular vote
You may now return to your regular programming
TomDem55:
If it makes you happy, go ahead and pretend that symbolic half-assed measures actually accomplish anything besides PR, a return to Clinton’s feckless missile war.
These AQ bastards are completely fungible: kill one ‘commander’ today, tomorrow they’ll have another. Obama doesn’t have the nadgers to wade into the snakepit and sanitize it; instead he sends half the troops we need and ties both hands behind their backs.
Wow, Tom, who’d a thunk it? Obama personally sat at his joystick directing predator strikes. He probably isn’t really in Hawaii, but in deep cover actually jumped the jihadi on the plane and then snuck off in the post incident confusion. It couldn’t have been military operatives doing what they’ve been doing for several years ,targeting terrorists all over the Muzzie world. It was the new culture of resistance fostered by Rock Obama.
His decision to bring KSM to NYC is just subterfuge so he can continue to resist their advances.
Thanks for the enlightenment, Mr. Harkin , or would that be Mr. Hayden?
My wife and I are both on the no-fly list. We’re both fifth generation Texan, grew up in small towns, are retired military and currently hold special identifier security clearances above TS. We have very common American names, we’re white, 64 and still have Texas accents. We do get to fly, but we get inspected more than other passengers.
We haven’t tried to get off the list, because we supect it would be an endless hassle and only serve to alert incompetent bureaucrats to our names and make it more difficult for us to fly.
The no-fly list protects no one.
Jerry @ 72
I think you post may cause an AHHH Ha moment in our enemy ranks. Why would you instruct?
Which Symbolic half measures are you speaking of? the pushing the Pakis into actually making WAR on the AQ adn Talibs ????
or the actual attacks on the folks who are trying to kill us? or the Afghan Surge?
And he did not send half the troops we need, he sent DAY ONE the troops the commander on the ground had requested from the previous administration,and had NOT Gotten for 18 months… THEN he actually THOUGHT about the NEXT request and filled it with MOST troops the Ground Commander HE installed had requested!!
YES the AQ are bastards and as a LIFE LONG Liberal Irish American Democrat I WANT them DEAD as well….
and for trangbang68
No I don’t expect the CinC to personally operate RPVs, I don’t think that President Bush did either, do you? perhaps he did while spending MORE TIME ON VACATION at this “ranch” in Crawford than any other American president.
KSM comes to NYC to be subject to American Justice, just like the other assholes who bombed the WTC the first time, THEY were caught by OUR justice dept. and under President Clinton were prosecuted and jailed for life….that’s how a functioning democracy works, RULE of LAW
you remember that?
I see that the trolls are happy with the accomplishments of this administration of communists, black supremacists and jihadists:
- offending America worlwide by stating that we torture prisoners (SAME line of alqaeda, BTW)
- promising to close Gitmo,
- promising a trial IN NEW YORK to the war criminals who have organized September Eleven
- cutting weapons programs of the Pentagon (F22 etc.)
- STATING THAT WE MUST NOT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE TERRORIST ATTACK AT FORT HOOD
You can be really proud of having elected this administration of subversives.
But then again, probably the trolls who spend time here playing games with words get substantial checks from Saudi Arabia and from other enemies of America (like Soros), so it is useless to laugh at them.
The Nigerian Al-Qaeda operative, Abdul Farouk Umar Abdulmutallab, is the 23-year-old son of Alhaji Umaru Mutallab, former First Bank chairman and former minister.
Six months ago the prominent banker reported his son’s extremist views and activities to United States’ Embassy, Abuja and Nigerian security agencies.
Nevertheless, a source close to the father of the Muslim jihadist said the father was surprised that after his reports to the US authorities, the young man was allowed to travel to the United States.
A surprise to the father, perhaps, but no surprise at all to the wide-awake US citizens living under the highly aberrational and anti-American Obama regime.
Fascist governments work by design not incompetence.
#91- Actually all of the stories you refer to as not being reported on Fox can be searched and read on Fox News. Could you not simply converse on why you like the president’s actions and leave comments about Fox out? Attempts to insult people this way are childish. Actually I agree with you that some people on this website’s comments tend to overreact about the president. Just keep it simple and become part of the conversation, and back up your points with facts.
Also, the popular vote does not elect the president. The states elect the president through the Electoral College. But then states rights seem a bit out of vogue these days.
Thanks Sherab, I’ll take that one,
1) Not a troll, have not insulted anybody, just stating facts
2) No answer to the supremacist-Jihada line as it is a fact free zone
3) We did torture, read the congressional testimony or the words of the interrogators (remember the good guys, ie. US don’t torture, and remember all the stuff we got from Sheik Kahlied was obtained BEFORE we waterboarded him some 180 times…again BEFORE
4) GOOD to clost Gitmo now they will be in an American Prison where they belong
5) YOU try war criminals THAT is how western democracies do it (see the many books on the trials at NUREMBURG, and a great movie w/ Spencer Tracy which depicted same)
6) The F22 was cut by YOUR GUY CHENEY AND Rumsfeld, as it was a billion dollar boondogle
7) Hey conclusions about Ft. Hood? you mean arguing whether it was terrorism or a NUT JOB with guns, who cares, he is in custody and will fry!~
dan e bloom, #73: LONG LIVE THAT BRAVE DUTCH MAN!~ a display not of Dutch courage but of real courage by a real Dutchman. BRAVO!
Alas, methinks he will need more of that courage once his name becomes public and he goes back to the Netherlands with its large Islamic supremacist-sympathizing minority, whose more zealous members probably won’t require much doing to find out where he lives. (See also Theo van Gogh.)
If the news stories I cite appear on Fox (and by the way Fox is a big boy and can take a few shots from me) then why are those stories ignored here???
“HOW MANY TERRORIST ACTS HAVE WE HAD SINCE BIG O GOT TO POWER?
2 plots in New York
4 dead policemen in Washington State
servicemen killed in Arkansas recruiting office
14 dead Servicemen and women in Ft. Hood(1 unborn baby)
and today’s attempt to blow a plane
Bravo to the Commies and Muslim lovers in power.
helloooo….at least President Bush kept us safe after 9/11″
because i’m sure that while he was sitting on his butt doing nothing at all like a puppet without strings on the morning of 9/11 in that Florida classroom he started paying attention to warnings such as “Bin Laden determined to attack The United States”
w,
I disagree with the “protective shield is not very good” line of thought. I think the protective shield is great; it’s just not being used.
Subotai Bahadur @ #6
I have to admit that I now go through the posts looking for your comments first
as you are dead on the issues and the humor also cracks me up!!
“Otherwise, that might have been yet another “unprecedented” event.”
Priceless!!
Keep up the good work!
Merry Christmas & God Bless America!!
#100 Ellison update:
“A White House official said the incident was an attempted act of terrorism. The FBI is investigating and President Obama, celebrating Christmas in Hawaii, was told of the incident about three hours after the plane landed, officials said.”
Obama wasn’t told about the terrorist attack (not “attempted terrorist attack” as the WH would like to minimize) for THREE HOURS. This was first reported by a journalist at the Washington Post and them scrubbed from the article (but preserved in cache) — after all, obedience is required for propaganda arms of the state. No doubt the Wa Po journalist will be reprimanded for that unflattering piece of information and given a second chance to improve his stenography.
In reply to TomDeb55′s quote, “YOU try war criminals THAT is how western democracies do it (see the many books on the trials at NUREMBURG, and a great movie w/ Spencer Tracy which depicted same)”
Yes, but that is AFTER the war is WON, and according to your President, we aren’t even in a WAR on terror anymore. Do you think we could have had European war trials while Hitler was still in power and committing genocide and attempting to take over the whole world?
I fear it will take a great many more acts of war upon inncent civilians in the USA before your side gets their heads out of the sand and understands the truth about the war on terror.
And remember Folks, the immortal words of the Great Director Michael Moore:”THERE IS NO TERRORIST THREAT”.
And remember, the crowd of the idiots applauded him for eight years and elected president the friend of an actual terrorist, whose pastor rejoiced for September Eleven…
And the same people want us to believe that they want to defend America.
NO you don’t want, and you have elected a subversive administration with the goal to destroy America, that you see as an imperialistic power.
Our enemies have understood perfectly that now they will not meet harsh interrogations, they will not meet severe military answers…therefore
the attacks will multiply and they will kill many Americans.
But don’t worry, little commies, America will prevail.
America will win and will become more powerful than ever.
And your treason will be recorded in history for what it is.
Now go back to watch Michael Moore soviet-style propaganda works…
If the Yemen connection bears out (this whole “evolution” from firecrackers has been eye rolling), it probably was retaliation for this thing. In any case, the al-Qaeda in Yemen are probably not going to have a good New Years.
TomLib – how many votes do you think Obama would get today out of that 6 million if there were to be a new referendum? (Which is what’s gonna happen when we finally get around to impeaching his skinny as.) Liberals like to say that he was voted in by a majority as if that’s an end-all / be-all thing, and it simply is not. Shit happens, things change. Just because Obama was a big enough liar to convince that many people to vote for him a year ago, does NOT mean he’s still got that level of support, and it certainly doesn’t mean that people will regard you as an oracle if you claim it does.
BTW, maybe your writing style is all the rage at HuffPo, but here ALL CAPS and multiple exclamation points (!!!!) are regarded as over-the-top sorority girl traits, while using multiple question marks (?????) I have noticed to be an Arabic tendency. So in total, you’re coming across as a Middle Eastern sorority girl living in the past … which is *not* high praise which would make a reader take your points seriously.
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Have we decided that Hassan is an official Al-Queda terrorist, and not just a lone-wolf whack-job? I knew he had tried to reach out to Al-Q and had been in touch with them, but are we now saying that his rampage was an officially sanctioned A-Q plan?
Well if this is a never ending war (which I suspect it is) for the nuts in AQ are not likely going to stop untill
1) There is peace in Israel/Palistine
2) The Muslim religion matures to see that all religions MUST get along
3) If (1) is true then you MUST try the folk we have captured, eternal non judicial detention is NOT how a functioning democracy works..
So far, the domestic recipients of the benefits of Al Qaida-like pricks and prods at our large-scale private airline companies are, (1) America’s TSA employees brigades (when the “attempted bombings” end, so will their jobs), (2) the politicians who benefit electorally from a unionized civil service sector (ie. the “ObamaCare” Democrats), (3) private media corporations who profit from serial “bombshells,” and (4) private, transportation modes that are exempt from the TSA’s invasive security schemes (Warren Buffet’s new pet, Net Jets, comes immediately to mind).
Seems, the more the party might profit from pinching the traveling citizen’s private autonomy at regular air ports, the more it benefits from Al Qaida-ist spooks like the Christmas bomber.
Now, mind you, I’m not sayin’ that a Nigerian national’d blow up a civilian jetliner to help Berkshire Hathaway’s bottom line. That’d be insane. But I am saying that, given the lengthy list of indirect beneficiaries to Al Qaida’s “man-made events” – beneficiaries that Al Qaida must split their gains with, the radical islamists’ risk appearing incidental to events – like a butler might appear to his master’s House.
Appearances matterin’ and all…
#109
You write:
I fear it will take a great many more acts of war upon innocent civilians in the USA before your side gets their heads out of the sand and understands the truth about the war on terror.
Today’s “liberals” are communists masked as democrats, they will NEVER support America in the fight against the attacks of the enemies of Freedom, for the simple reason that they hate Freedom as much as any alqaeda does.
They have shown it for eight years (and before that, Clinton had let binladen escape, and had built the “Wall” between intelligence agencies that made 9/11 possible).
And then they have elected an administration entirely made up of marxists, black supremacists, jihadists.
And then they have kept approving this administration when it was busy calling the Police STUPID and telling America “not to jump to conclusions” about a jihadist murderer.
And now that the attacks come one after the other they will do absolutely nothing to protect us.
Don’t forget: Soros, who financed the whole campaign, is the only Jew in the world that can go to a convention in Saudi Arabia.
Just fight to roll back the totalitarians.
#108 Ellison update – more scrubbing necessary:
Fifteen minutes after a website supplied the url for the airline jihadist’s Facebook page, the Facebbok page was scrubbed. No news is good news in Obamaland.
Dear NahnCee
thanks for the kind reply,
1) You get a new refferendum a) every two years for congresscritters, and every 6 years for Sentaors, and every 4 years for President.
2) I don’t know how many votes he would get
3) I do agree doo doo does effectuate
4) I don’t see that Obama lied to get in office, he is merely a center Left Democrat, with a good family life who preaches that kids should stay in school and work hard, that apparently offends some folk
and thanks for the internet with tubes advice on not using CAPS
all caps would mean every word typed in caps, a few words tyepd in caps is called (usually) emphasis
thanks
I too was struck by the ubiquitousness of “Syed Jafry” in British and American reporting, the more so as the Dutch newspaper Telegraaf reported extensively this morning on how the Dutch businessman Jasper Schuringa almost singlehandedly overpowered the wouldbe terrorist. To do it he had to climb over his fellow passengers. You can read all about it at tinyurl.com/ydqh746. It’s in Dutch, so if don’t read that language you’ll have to pass the url through e.g. Google’s translation machine.
So defending America is attacking a country which did not attack us?
Subversive administration?
Is that the same administration that has saved capitalism by bailing out the unregulated financial entities?
The same administration that has forced the Pakis to actually FIGHT the taliban and AQ?
Is that thae same one which has markedly increased Predator Strikes despite our (so called allies that Pakis) not wanting us to do that?
Go read the book the interregators where the main guy gets ALL the info he needs from smart (FBI Like) interrogation.
We are the good guys, and I repeat Khalied Sheidk Mohammed (or however you spell it) spilled ALL his beans before he was waterboarded 180 times
I personally know no commies, and as a proud Irish American Democrat and long time activist the only Communist I have ever known was a wierd greek kid in college
As for allegations of treason, thanks but so very misplaced, My family has proudly served THIS wonderful Nation since the Revolution, has served in all her wars, and both my brothers (one a leftie one a rightie) served in Vietnam, as for me, I fly OUR flag every day at my home, and tried twice to serve the land I love, my dad (a WW2 marine, and a rightie) prevented me from serving in Vietnam, and I was kept from joining the Marines in college due to a screwed up knee) ok, the knee was shot due to a drunken college stunt..
so there
Al_Batross:
intresting link! but the author forgot to mention the political aspect, discussions were on at Evian in the meanwhile the Bigeard troops were criss-crossing the city. Already 3 years before Algeria war ended, a referrandum was forecasted in Algeria and France, finalising the Independance of Algeria with 70% of the vote in both country, saying “No” to a french Algeria, so, it’s not the army that failed, it was both populations that didn’t want to carry on a war that they thought irrelevant for many reasons.
Also, yes, Algerian FLN girls were used as bomb factor.
There also were terrorist attacks from the OAS camp.
De Gaulle had to make the Salomon justice, between FLN, OAS and France.It was clear that he opted for France, leaving the “pied-noirs” with the choice of “the Suitcase or the coffin”, since he didn’t bear them from the events of WWII, when the french community of Algeria fefused to wellcome him, and that he had to find a new base in black Africa french communauty
“is NOT how a functioning democracy works..”
Neither is passing 2000 page legislation that no-one understands and half the citizens don’t want. Not to mention the out-right bribery of vote buying with public funds.
Nor is giving INTERPOL extra-constitutional jurisdiction to detain Americans.
So, no this fascist regime is not running a functioning republic nor democracy….for now.
So, go ahead and live your fantasy life where Islam finds a way to live in peace. And, while you’re at it, social justice cares one twit about any individual, anywhere.
How many pages does it take to write a bill?
why do you care how many pages it has?
It’s what the bill DOES that matters
Actually the last few polls taken on the health care reform show a clear majority WANT reform, Me I don’t like it so far as it seems to let the drug makers off and the insurance companies will get mandated new customers, and I don’t know how that will work, I don’t understand all the bill, but that’s cause there is no one bill as of yet, but some provisions I like are that they can no longer deny you care for pre-existing conditions, THAT seems good
as for Islam living in peace that was a hope, also, we have seen christianity mature as a religion, as its mideval tendencies seem to have abated, and among other things christians seem to be less inclined to kill each other in the name of the same god…
thanks
What is written on those 2000 pages? What will the bill do? Does anyone know?
How do you let a “drug maker off”? Should a drug maker investor get a return on his investment? Who funds drug research if not an investor?
You say “I don’t understand all the bill” yet you also say “It’s what the bill DOES that matters”. So explain what the bill does Tom.
Tom, I’ll lay odds one of your predictions doesn’t occur. That is that Hassan fries. Once the politically correct crowd, your ACLU enablers and the press get done with his trial, he’ll get prison/hospital time because he was driven mad by anti Muslim bigotry and pre-traumatic stress disorder.
Interestingly , McVeigh was one of the most rapid trial and executions since Judge Roy Parker. Some speculate the Clintonistas wanted it buried quickly to dispel the possibility of Middle Eastern involvement (Philippine connection to
Ramzi Yousef for example) .
Bottom line, you can bloviate all you want. To quote Billy Ayers’ sourcebook, “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows”. Anyone with a modicum of common sense who hasn’t swilled the liberal bilge knows Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the left aren’t up to the task of fighting radical Islam Our enemies know weakness when they see it and we’re in danger for it.
Hey TomDem,
Some of us on BC give Obama his dues in the (few) instances he acts in the interest of the country. The actions you mention are creditable for their tactical value. It is Obama’s disastrous strategic actions upon which all of us are agreed; it is a long list.
Moreover, the misfeasance of our political and government officials, Democrat and Republican alike, in their universal subscription to political correctness is a great danger to us all. That Madallad was on a no-fly list and got through the system carrying explosive compounds was a travesty of political correctness run amuck. Everyone on a no-fly list, especially with Muslim names, should get the closest examination, every time they fly. That they don’t and old ladies do is stupid.
Oh, and by the way, I am a LIFELONG Conservative Mayflower descended Massachusetts AMERICAN Republican, but here it matters not a whit.
Hang around awhile and Wretchard’s learned posts may enlighten your outlook.
Dear Sherab
thanks for the definition of liberals as communists, but FYI the commies LOST and have been relegated to the dustbin of history
Tell me why I hate freedom, and which freedom I hate, as you seem to know more about what I hate
(I will continue to ignore the Jihadi-Marxist-supremecist crap)
Soros financed the campaign? I thought it was the millions sent to the campaign in under 50.00 contributions? But apparently you know more than the federal elections committee
Why do you care what religion Soros is?
Oh, finally about freedoms, it was the previous president, George Bush who attacked YOUR freedoms by warrantless wiretapping, and tracking your blog activity….
just saying
Airline jihadist got on plane without a passport? Testimony from a passenger on the flight.
For those of you talking about airline security in this thread, I was next to the terrorist when he checked in at the Amsterdam airport early on Christmas. My wife and I were playing cards directly in front of the check in counter. This is what I saw (and I relayed this to the FBI when we were held in customs):
An Indian man in a nicely dressed suit around age 50 approached the check in counter with the terrorist and said “This man needs to get on this flight and he has no passport.” The two of them were an odd pair as the terrorist is a short, black man that looked like he was very poor and looks around age 17 (Although I think he is 23 he doesn’t look it). It did not cross my mind that they were terrorists, only that the two looked weird together.
The ticket taker said “you can’t board without a passport”. The Indian man then replied, “He is from Sudan, we do this all the time”. I can only take from this to mean that it is difficult to get passports from Sudan and this was some sort of sympathy ploy. The ticket taker then said “You will have to talk to my manager”, and sent the two down a hallway.
I never saw the Indian man again as he wasn’t on the flight. It was also weird that the terrorist never said a word in this exchange. Anyway, somehow, the terrorist still made it onto the plane. I am not sure if it was a bribe or just sympathy from the security manager.
FBI also arrested a different Indian man while we were held in customs after a bomb sniffing dog detected a bomb in his carry on bag and he was searched after we landed. This was later confirmed while we were in customs when an FBI agent said to us “You are being moved to another area because this area is not safe. Read between the lines. Some of you saw what just happened.”(The arrest of the other Indian man). I am not sure why this hasn’t made it into any news story, but I stood about 15-20 feet away from the other Indian man when he was cuffed and arrested after his search.
What also didn’t make the news is that we were held on the plane for 20 minutes AFTER IT LANDED!. A bomb could have gone off then. This wasn’t too smart of security to not let us off the plane immediately.
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/commenter_says_he_was_aboard_n.html
Just to keep things in perspective, try as they might, the jihadis will never be able to do as much damage as the Congress we currently suffer under. We are committing suicide at a MUCH faster rate than the pinpricks our external enemies are inflicting upon us. They cannot bankrupt us, they cannot bind us hand and foot through regulations, they cannot destroy the wealth of lifetimes by pumping fiat currency into the economy at record rates, they cannot keep us from exploiting our natural resources and put us at the mercy of our enemies for our energy supplies, they cannot set us one against the other in supplication before the government seeking favors or bailouts or punishment for our domestic enemies or competitors, they cannot spend every dime any of us will ever make in our lifetimes, they cannot force us to worship the Moon god as we are forced to worship Gaia and they cannot kill as many people as government health care or Cap and Trade will kill. No matter how long they fight us they are not the existential threat that Reid and his ilk are.
So even as deadly as the war on terror is, it has become a sideshow to the war at home where the Republic will truly be won or lost.
The mood of the country is a powder keg right now with large segments of the population considering our government to be operating outside the bounds of the Constitution and being unwilling to live under the tyranny being proposed in DC at the moment. Pols are already lamenting the country being “ungovernable” but things are going to get much, much worse IMO. TomDem does not understand this because he thinks it is OK for one man to have the government rob another for his benefit as long as 51% of the people agree. That the other 49% may not go along with the plan and may value their own personal liberty and the Constitution never crosses the fallow fields of his mind.
As to the WOT the jihadis recognize the weakness of our president in closing Guantanimo and in the shipping of KSM to New York (truly a work of Allah that he is given a pulpit to preach from within the very heart of the enemy). They see Obama’s weakness in the rules of engagement and in his inability to even call our enemies by name. They feel emboldened to take the offensive in our own territory because they see Obama is weak and feckless. They see the contempt with which Obama is treated by our enemies. They see his support for the dictators in Iran and Honduras. Obama can order a hit here or there and it is of no consequence to them because the date of our surrender in Afghanistan has already been announced. They can lay low, husband their resources and concentrate on attacks on our homeland.
I couldn’t tell you for sure who hates America more, Obama or the jihadis, but the latter certainly have a much better understanding of us than our current president does… and they are MUCH less of a threat to our lives and certainly our liberty.
“author forgot to mention the political aspect” Marie Claude@120.
All I said was that Horne’s book was “dense but good”, and I think that is a true statement. The film is good in the way it shows the stone-cold killer approach of many Algerians. They are a strangely hard people, and we have been fortunate not to have seen them more active in organized terror recently. The “blood bank” incident in Horne’s book staggers the imagination, but we are in a war in which the enemy rules nothing out.
I suspect that Abdul Mudallad is being treated for his burns in a Detroit area hospital at American taxpayer expense. He will receive the best care available from our failed health care system. If Abdul were smart, he would demand to be flown to Cuba or Canada or any of the multitude of places that the democrats claim have better health care systems.
Whatdya think Tom? Want to be hospitalized in Havanna?
Well the bills (plural) are all posted on line
(find your own URL)
As for the Drug makers, why is it that one can buy (not legally) drugs made in the US from Canada and get it MUCH cheaper than here in the US?
The drug companies are doing fine, especially since YOUR republican congress outlawed OUR government from (in a truly capitalistic manner) to negotiate prices for the drugs bought for the VA, Medicare and Medicaid and for the Armed forces.
The bill does this
to repeat
No one will be prevented from obtaining coverage for a pre-existing condition
No one will be thrown off coverage if their bills get too high
WOrkers who can not afford Health Care will get health care w/ a fed subsidy
Independent businesses will get tax credits for insuring their employeed
No more higher premiums for women
31 million new customers for the insurance industry….
Dear Nevetsch, thanks for the kind welcome!
I don’t know which strategic decisions you refer to, I think it is a good idea to put more troops AND civillian aid into Afghanistan, I also think it is a good thing to force the PAKIS to actually fight AQ or Talbs, I think they are GOOD strategic decisions, also good decisions to tamp down the tension by his moderate words to the folks in Cairo, you don’t always have to promote militaristic policies! I am glad you are a lifelog Repub, more power to you, as you and I both know it takes ALL of us to make this land we love work, and the far righties and far lefties are here to keep us around the middle on our toes.. HMMM Mayflower, then you are probably not Irish!!!
Also I have untill recently been on a no fly list, every time I went to the airport they took my drivers license and went into the back room and did some stuff…then they let me fly, perhaps you recall that some bureaucrat put Ted Kennedy on a no fly list…
Would you think we should NOT treat his burns?
and of course it is at taxpayer expense, he is in FEDERAL custody!
As for Our failed helath care system, the actual CARE is great, it’s just that we can’t affored it…….Big Difference!!
My wife has had no health insurance for 3 years, her meds cost a TON of money (hope those drug company folk making milions sleep well at night and don’t worry about Americans who die due to their inabliity to afford life saving medicine..)
Many other countries like Germany, France, Canada, England have better health care systems as their care is AFFORDABLE or available to all….
that is the difference
and If i was in Cuba (which I am not) i know I could walk into a medical facility and get adequate care. and NO I Don’t like Cuba or any dictatorship like Venezuela dictatorships of either persuasion are vile
Public service message:
Canadian drugs are subsidized by the Canadian taxpayer. Maybe they are American made drugs, maybe not.
TrangBang68
What is your point about McVeigh? He was a right wing terrorist who fried? He bombed i 95 and after refusing to enter the appeals process he was fried in 2001…what’s your point here?
Actually I am not bloviating, I am offering my opinions with facts attached, Bloviating is opining w/ no facts in the record to support the premise in question.
As for the Dems not up to fighting radical Islam, remember what your side said when Clinton made the Cruise missile strikes? I recall the laughter and wag the dog comments, also he tried to kill Bin Laden w/ cruise missile strikes…, and don’t forget the ignoring of Intel warnings and the whole 9/11 tragedy…or do we just blame that on former President Clinton as well….
Folks, you know me and you know that I usually don’t answer to any troll (aka agit-prop paid by the subversive machine) but this time we have a fabulous example of soviet style KGB counter-interrogation and we can’t miss it:
I wrote that Soros is the only Jew in the world that can ENTER Saudi Arabia…and this, unless you are very very slow, obviously means that we must pay attention to this man, who has money enough to elect a president and to destroy a currency, because evidently he has powerful friends in the same center of power from which alqaeda stems, Saudi Arabia.
The piece of information says it all, because NO JEW for no reason can enter Saudi Arabia, therefore we have here blatant evidence of an international conspiracy against America: the brain and the financier of the internationalist subversion , despite being a Jew, CAN enter Saudi Arabia, where the wahabists have their center of operations of the worldwide jihad.
It’s as simple as 2 and 2 makes 4.
It points directly to what is REALLY happening to America today (and the repeated terrorist attacks only confirm the strategy that can be attributed to the CHIMERA of
internationalist subversives + fanatic muslims
that I mention all the time and that is at the heart of the attack against America.)
NOW
look at what the commie agit-prop answers to my sentence about Soros:
“Why do you care what religion Soros is?”
And that answer is pretty interesting because it ONLY sounds stupid, but in reality it shows very clearly that the person writing it is trained in changing the subject: he or she identifies the main danger in my argument (a fact that cannot be denied, a signal of the international conspiracy at work) and he/she MUST (at any cost) try to move the attention of the Readers from that point: so he/she shifts the discussion away from the PARADOX of a Jew who is authorized by the Saudis to enter their country and points instead to ME, as if, by mentioning the fact that Soros is Jew, I were trying to center my discourse on an ethnic or religious detail, where instead obviously the point is that the Saudis HATE the Jews, Saudi Arabia is an apartheid state from this point of view, therefore the fact that they allow him in is clearly a sign of the conjunction of powerful enemies of America.
Very funny.
very soviet-style.
“My wife has had no health insurance for 3 years…”
That is very irresponsible Tom. I was out of work for nine months but maintained my health insurance for my wife and I. It cost us $1300 per month but we dipped into our life savings to pay the bill. Because it is the responsible thing to do!
You want someone else to pay your wife’s bills. THAT is why you support Obamacare. You want me to pay our bill and yours. What right do you have to the fruit of my labor Tom? Do I ask you to pay my bills? Why should I expect you to be the man in my wife’s life?
All your base are belong to us!
In the meanwhile, jihadists are busy threatening American bloggers:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=120011
TRAIL OF TERROR
Website documenting Islamic hate faces death threats
Radicals send photo of headless body: ‘We will kill you. Like this’
Posted: December 25, 2009
10:55 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Editor’s Note: The following contains references to graphic violence and images:
Photo of week from Religion of Peace website, along with a list of the latest acts of Islamic violence
A recent e-mail to a website launched after the 9/11 terror attacks to document the instances of Islamic violence said simply: “We will kill you. Like this … ”
The message included a photograph of a man who had been beheaded, his body resting chest down on grass and his lifeless head placed in the middle of his own back. Another photograph showed a bloody knife.
But the operator of The Religion of Peace website says those types of threats don’t bother him much.
“I don’t think anyone who is serious about killing me is going to announce it in advance,” the operator, who uses the pseudonym Glen Reinsford, told WND. “Still, one more reason to stay anonymous.”
Reinsford’s website intends to demonstrate extreme violence is an integral part of fundamental Islam, not merely a means by which only radicals try to achieve “out-of-the-mainstream goals.”
Its list of “offerings” from the “Religion of Peace” for a single day this week: In Iraq, a bomb was placed near an ancient Christian church and two were killed; three innocents were cut down by a Taliban bomb in Afghanistan, and in Baghdad Sunni bombers murdered five Shia pilgrims.
(Story continues below)
The site features a significant statistic: “Islamic Terrorists Have Carried Out more than 14,569 Deadly Terror Attacks since 9/11.”
Thanks Sherab,
But George Soros has MONEY and lots of it
THAT always speaks louder than any other
fact-meme- PARADOX
Agit Prop, wow you are schooled in the propaganda wars of the past, I have not heard that saying in years! Again, the Commies LOST to the west fueled by both Democratic and Republican administrations!!! The Cold war was a 50 year struggle but we WON.
If by trained you mean going to Catholic grammar school well yes
Oooops !
the threatened blog is of course:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
Am putting TomLib on my fly-by list, as having nothing of import to say, and a less than graceful way of braying what he does say. Would one of the respected elders please raise a flag if he/she/it ever does smarten up and start reflecting reality?
Ellison is saying an Indian connection. How interesting. I don’t suppose his Indian could really be Pakistani?
The other niggle I have is to wonder if the Nigerian might be one of Obama’s long-lost African relatives, which could be why he’d be given a pass-through along the way?
Abdul Mudallad’s last wish was to martyr himself to Allah to attain Paradise. We should respect his wishes and promptly deliver him to the 12 mile international line so he can continue his journey without impediment.
Surely Allah will bless him and keep him and hold him in the palm of His hand for all his days.
Well perhaps it was, but she could not afford it for her employees so she did not think she should afford it for herself, thus we paid cash for her visits and her very expensive meds…
What right do I have for the fruits of YOUR labor? Excellent question, perhaps you don’t want your taxes to go to the Military? or to pay for the million dollars a day it costs for each precious Soldier/Marine/Airman/Coastie etc in Afghanistan, or to pay tab for the NIH, or FBI or CIA what right indeed……I pay your bills you pay my bills that is part and parcel of this intertwined country we live in , so when MY taxes from a blue state go disproportionately to a poor red state, then YES I am paying somebody elses bills, I don’t begrudge it, look at the back of the Dollar One From Many you know, like all for one and one for all??? nor when Our government goes to war and DOES NOT pay for it but borrows CASH from the freaking Chinese THAT bothers me
A modest proposal:
1. In as much as it is impossible to screen for all combination of chemical reagents that can cause an onboard fire or explosion:
2. If the flying public wants to fly in greater safety (recognizing that any time you raise an object above the surface of the Earth you create an potentially hazardous condition):
3. Such increase in safety can only be created by increased delays and inconvenience to the flying public.
So, if you want to eliminate passengers from bringing potentially infernal devices on board, eliminate all carry on baggage, build locker rooms at all airports, issue ‘flying jumpers” to all passengers to wear on board the aircraft while their “street clothes” fly in sealed, inspected containers in the cargo hold, pending arrival at the destination.
(It is possible to make an explosive garment and I’m not going to post it here.)
So, how safe does the public want to be? How much inconvenience will the flying public endure for increased safety?
Damfino, but it could be done. I’ve been on many military flights where everyone had to be in the same uniform. Maybe “flying jumpers” would become fashionable? Stranger things have happened.
The ticket taker said “you can’t board without a passport”.
Tom, I do lay much of the blame for 9/11 at Clinton’s doorstep (while most goes to the terrorists who perpetrated it.} His missile strikes were token at empty camps and an aspirin factory in Sudan. Would to God he pursued a bombing campaign on the same level against radical Islamists that he did against Serbia on behalf of The Bosnian and Kosovar Muslims.
The biggest blunder of Clinton’s anti-terror work was Jamie Gorelick’s wall that prevented the FBI and CIA from sharing leads which might have prevented 9/11. Clinton’s failure to act aggressively after the 1993 WTC bombing, the Khobar towers attack ,the USS Cole attack, etc. only emboldened the Jihadists. His pell mell flight out of Somalia after Black Hawk Down was quoted by Bin Laden as a proof that america was a paper tiger.
As I recall, Clinton as opposed to trying to kill Bin Laden had several opportunities to do so and failed to pull the trigger for fear of collateral damage.
The record doesn’t lie and the public knows that the Dems are weak on defense.
#136 TomDem55,
Read #52 by MarkieBee (a troll) and you’ll see the reason for the Tim McVeigh sub-thread.
As far as “wag the dog” goes that does not apply at this window. I was real stoked by the strikes, but it can be hardly argued those efforts were sufficient (especially strikes on empty tents). I saw “The Titanic” for the first time in a theater in the Middle East & one of the previews was for “Wag the Dog” and believe me, the audience in general very much appreciated that preview.
Pakistan and its relation to the West (us in particular) and the Taliban is a frequent topic here. You are right we need to get Pakistan to fight the Taliban, but one needs to realize the Taliban is Pakistan’s creation and maybe the top level leadership goes through the motions and says the right things in fighting the Taliban but it is very obvious Pakistan’s heart is not in that fight.
How are you going to get Frankenstein to attack and kill his creation? Especially when it becomes obvious they will probably need the utility delivered by that creation about 18 months from now?
#54 heyyoukidsgetoffmylawn
LOL, well my wife’s sister & her family live in Mississauga & two of my wife’s other siblings & their families came to visit last Spring so that explains what we were doing in Tornto. I don’t mind it so much — “nice place to visit, but wouldn’t want to live there” applies.
Let’s see. Polictical correctness got how many people killed at Ft Hood ? I just heard on FOX that the state dept gives visa’s to people on no fly lists in order not to offend their countries of origin. These ” man made disasters” will surely become more frequent with the politically correct paper tiger in the oval office. He can’t bring himself to call this an act of terrorism either. The terrorist guy was probably one of his realatives on his father’s side. I fear this type of thing will be more frequent with our weak ineffectual leader. Pity his vacation has been distrubed. Where the hell is Dick Cheney when you need him?
TomDem55: – A starter kit (in case Sherab Zangpo may be making so much sense, it’s causing synaptic misfirings):
In order to deprogram yourself you must we willing to search alternate sources of news and CONFIRM the facts. For starters, you could learn about the profiles of many on the czar list. (Don’t forget former czars like Van Jones. When czars need to be thrown under the bus, don’t think they are disgraced; they merely obtain more advantageous positions to the cause — so you must also follow where they go and deduce from the facts why.)
Of course, the czar list will, of necessity, lead you to “Obama’s brain” ___ Valerie Jarrett (which will, in turn, lead you to the infamous Chicago incubator of modern-day Marxism which melds congenially with the Soros globalists and, for the time being [until the Christian and Jewish problems are dealt with], Islamic jihadists.) For an advanced course at a later date, you could research the many protected Islamic jihadist professors in Chicago’s finest universities (by reading their OWN words, of course, rather than the opinions of their critics).
Then you could graduate to the ISSA report, a report in which ACORN is described as a criminal RICO conspiracy (attorneys’ term, not mine). Certainly the report supplies more than enough credible evidence for probable cause in a constitutional republic — except when the organization is too important to the cause to be thrown under the bus. They must be protected at all costs by friends in high places. Of course that would lead you to Eric Holder and his profile. Hint: He wasn’t selected for his high moral quotient and his love of justice. In fact, that would have been disqualifying.
Then, only when you have the stomach for it, discover why the ObamaCare bill is so critical to the Obama regime’s agenda for the US (hint: it has nothing to do with health) and why Carbon trading is so critical to ensure the loss of US sovereignty that it must be protected even when anthropogenic (man-made) climate change has been proved to be a scientific fraud and yet another criminal conspiracy (from the very mouths of the scientist conspirators).
That’s just a starter list. Be brave and persistent.
Ellison
Well stated my friend but your amazing command of the facts will elude the brainwashed TomDem. His cause is hopeless but I sure enjoyed your comments and agree 100%. You’re good man. Hope you make it to the revolution . I’ll see you there in the trenches
Hey, thanks Ellison, but how many Czars did both the Bush Presidencies have? And is not the term an honorific?
Crazy professors in US Universities, well unless they are making bombs their speech offnesive or not to whomever is NOT illegal
Obamacare? you mean House and Senate care forged by the benevolent folk at the Insurance Companies?
ACORN, surely it is as evil as……..as…..
well I don’t know, but if some of Acorn’s folk have acted outside the law then they should be punished, that’s simple, and I just saw another article yesterday exonerating the Acorn organization
So, to recap
1) millions of fellow Americans unable to afford or have access to healthcare GOOD
2) Government plan written largely by the folks in the Insurance industry BAD Heck, I don’t like the bill much, all it really does is MAKE the insurance companies take in all comers and prevents those same companies from dropping folk for pre existing conditions…
If my memory serves me, Herman Wouke in the Caine Mutiny described the military as a system designed by geniuses to be run by idiots.
Airline security is similar. Our security systems are simply a series of hurdles anyone of which can be easily bypassed, but the system’s hurdles in total are extremely stressful and cumbersome to penetrate. I can remember military security at certain overseas installations working the same way. At each hurdle you could feel another door clang behind you and you imagined a dozen eyes watching. Not true in reality, and I was with the good guys, but I could imagine how it played on the minds of those contemplating evil.
To work, most penetrations have to be conducted by a suicidal multi-lingual attacker accustomed to more than one culture. Clever, suicidal attackers with these credentials who can go unnoticed by their potential victims are rare. It is one thing to undertake a mission that seems suicidal, but you have a chance of survival. It is another thing to undertake a mission where your suicide is the crux of the mission.
This attack was pathetic as was Reed’s attack. Each terroritst was reduced to smuggling aboard small amounts explosives or incendiaries, that required sophistocated assembly or operations after they’d gone through security piecemeal. Both efforts were pathetic and ordinary people rose to the occasion.
That’s the good news.
The bad news is AQ and its fellow travelers are still trying to find dupes to attempt these attacks. And statistically, persistence works. For those of you who roll your eyes at searches of grannies of northern European descent, I say, I’d pack their innocent, unsuspecting purses with bad things prior to boarding and then repossess the purses on board. The minute attackers know there is an unsearchable category, that’s the category to exploit. No one gets a free pass including paraplegics and 18 month old babies.
There is good news there, too. Every time there’s a failed attack, the system is re-energized. The threat has a face.
No system can be airtight. If we put Ph.D. educated soldiers and policemen on every corner and every plane, we lose in loss of productivity and through the incredible cost.
I agree with the Bush strategy. Ultimately the best course is to take the war to them. Let Moslems kill moslems and slowly a kinder, gentler form of Islam will evolve.
Let them be scared. The trouble is if we are not scared enough, we forget what’s important and we elect Milli Vanilli.
“5) YOU try war criminals THAT is how western democracies do it (see the many books on the trials at NUREMBURG, and a great movie w/ Spencer Tracy which depicted same)”
In case you overlooked the uniforms and all, the Nuremberg trials were MILITARY tribunals (and conducted under much harsher rules than the Military Commissions Act).
Also, democracies get to hold captured enemies until the war is over. Without charge or trial.
“6) The F22 was cut by YOUR GUY CHENEY AND Rumsfeld, as it was a billion dollar boondogle”
Purest hogwash. The F-22 was canceled in March 2009 by Obama and Gates. And this “boondoggle” was arguably the most important defense procurement program we had- the F-15 is 35 years old, technologically inferior to the newest Russian and Chinese fighters, and falling apart: by 2015 half the existing airframes will be fatigued out and unflyable.
And the annual cost ($1.8 billion) was less than the $2B *supplemental* appropriation for Cash for Clunkers, an indisputable boondoggle. In Obama budget terms, the F-22 pricetag was a rounding error.
The very right with Heritage Foundation reported about the F22 that…
They didn’t get it in 2002 when Secretary Rumsfeld presided over a “major weapons review” that questioned the need for signature weapon systems such as the Army’s Comanche helicopter and the Air Force’s F-22 fighter. And they still don’t get it today:
Also Gates was appointed by President Bush and was not a favorite of the left AND President Obama retained Secretary Gates
As for airframe deteoriation, we should get better from our Military Industrial Complex, and as we both know, the NEXT GEN of fighters are most likely to be unmanned (it’s the wave of the future, and I don’t like it…) too many changed to war fighting, if we have an all robot plane AirForce then making war gets easier (policywise) by removing the element of risk to OUR side…
Hey, which was it the Raptor or the F-22 that gets damaged by rain……
Yikes BOONDOGGLE?
It put americans to work (demonstrably a good thing) and SOLD Cars…….and stimulated demand where there was none…
Noreen, enjoy the trenches, wear your boots!
Limpet6 said “or those of you who roll your eyes at searches of grannies of northern European descent, I say, I’d pack their innocent, unsuspecing purses with bad things prior to boarding and then repossess the purses on board. The minute attackers know there is an unsearchable category, that’s the category to exploit. No one gets a free pass including paraplegics and 18 month old babies.”
The problem here is that the effort spent preventing the threat is more costly than the potential harm done by the attacks themselves. If I were in charge I would do away with the airport security entirely and simply not give entry visas to Muslims. Collective punishment for collective guilt. Yeah the salfists might go ahead and manage to bring down a dozen planes anyway but when all it succeeds in doing is further inconveniencing a billio co-religionists the attacks will become counter-productive.
Well, the we may have changed the name of the war on terror – but the was on us hasn’t changed. See
http://vulgarmorality.wordpress.com/2009/12/26/the-war-on-us-isnt-over/
#81 pelaut:
Sky Marshalls?
Are you joking?
Have you seen the doughnut eaters that are TSA agents?
If they were on board, they were stoned from Amsterdam and drunk from the freebies the stews give them.
Where have you been? These slugs are from your Government!
I cannot argue with you about the nature of most TSA screeners. However, I cut the poor buggers some slack. Consider. There they are, unarmed, no immediate armed backup at hand, human free-fire zones. Let us assume that they are taking a break from frisking Swedish grandmothers, and actually look at the carry on baggage of Somali male, aged say 25, and accidentally spot a block of Semtex or perhaps a Škorpion vz. 61. Sometime in the interval between the time the TSA agent visibly reacts, and the time that he realizes that he needs to change underwear; the Somali may pull out a Tokarev pistol from somewhere and the dance will be on. Part of the function of those poor souls is to draw fire if they happen to catch a Tango.
I have encountered Sky Marshals in the past, under the old anti-skyjacking program in the 70′s. The ones I met were trained, professional, and appropriately bloody-minded. I will, until it is shown otherwise, assume that today’s incarnation are the same. But we have far too few to have one on each flight. And on the larger aircraft, you probably need several marshals to prevent a hijacking. However, for someone whose goal is to destroy the plane, a Sky Marshal likely will not prevent it any more than any other passenger. The place to stop that is at pre-boarding screening.
And as we have seen, foreign jurisdictions have a limited amount of concern so long as it is the US [or probably Israel] who are the probable targets. q.v. # 127 above.
Subotai Bahadur
P.S, Bohemond you are correct on #5
but what I AM saying is they are in custody for crimes committed against the American People (our people left and right and middle and the uninterested) and for that they must be tried and if found guilty dealt with to the limit of the LAW
PPSS is that Bohemond the mideval knight of Crusader fame?
This may be a double post. Just as I was hitting submit, BC hiccupped and went aw’ wi’ the cyber-fairies for a bit. I apologise if this is so.
#81 pelaut:
Sky Marshalls?
Are you joking?
Have you seen the doughnut eaters that are TSA agents?
If they were on board, they were stoned from Amsterdam and drunk from the freebies the stews give them.
Where have you been? These slugs are from your Government!
I cannot argue with you about the nature of most TSA screeners. However, I cut the poor buggers some slack. Consider. There they are, unarmed, no immediate armed backup at hand, human free-fire zones. Let us assume that they are taking a break from frisking Swedish grandmothers, and actually look at the carry on baggage of Somali male, aged say 25, and accidentally spot a block of Semtex or perhaps a Škorpion vz. 61. Sometime in the interval between the time the TSA agent visibly reacts, and the time that he realizes that he needs to change underwear; the Somali may pull out a Tokarev pistol from somewhere and the dance will be on. Part of the function of those poor souls is to draw fire if they happen to catch a Tango. I am not sure that they realize this, otherwise they might be more serious and diligent.
I have encountered Sky Marshals in the past, under the old anti-skyjacking program in the 70′s. The ones I met were trained, professional, and appropriately bloody-minded. I will, until it is shown otherwise, assume that today’s incarnation are the same. But we have far too few to have one on each flight. And on the larger aircraft, you probably need several marshals to prevent a hijacking. However, for someone whose goal is to destroy the plane, a Sky Marshal likely will not prevent it any more than any other passenger. The place to stop that is at pre-boarding screening.
And as we have seen, foreign jurisdictions have a limited amount of concern so long as it is the US [or probably Israel] who are the probable targets. q.v. # 127 above.
Subotai Bahadur
TomDem
I can’t wait to wade into the trenches with those of us who want to see sanity restored to our country and our government. There will be room for you too. Hope to see you there . Decide which side of history you want to be on. The backlash from the clown in the Whitehouse and his merry band of henchmen is going to be cataclysmic. So the trenches will be no environment for the effete pampered liberal faint of heart. Can’t you feel in your gut what is coming. Maybe if you stay on this site long enough you will begin to see the light. I myself am a recovering liberal so I know that great things are possible in your heart and mind. Let your awakening and healing begin
noreen; TomDem55
By Tom’s reply, I see you are correct Noreen. Let’s focus on the existence of czars and whether Bush had any czars, rather then as I suggested, the PROFILES of the czars and what those would reveal. Or, for that matter, the “profiler” behind the profile choices, Valerie Jarrett.
Then, let’s move on to ObamaCare and point to the fact that some folks in the US are without health insurance and the fact that even Tom thinks it is a flawed bill, rather than discuss my assertion that the motive for and design of ObamaCare has nothing to do with health — at least not any citizen’s health.
And let’s not bother reading the compelling ISSA report, stating (I repeat myself) that the evidence points to the fact that the ORGANIZATION itself is organized and run as a criminal organization; nor should we concern ourselves with the mountain of condemning facts that have been reported since the report was written. Let’s mention some wayward ACORNs that might have acted “outside the law” and a ludicrous-on-its-face article that has, by fiat, exonerated the entity known as the Acorn organization.
Conveniently, that eliminates any burden I implied to take a deeper than surface look at Eric Holder, that paragon of justice heading the Dept of Justice, or to examine why ACORN is so important to the Obama regime that it must so publicly humiliate itself rather investigate and indict.
Nutty university professors’ free speech — I didn’t mention that Islamic jihadist professors shouldn’t have free speech. I merely pointed out the quantity of such Islamic jihadist professors available in Chicago and the fact that their teachings are incompatible with a constitutional republic.
Nothing to disquiet the mind here…move along.
noreen, that is the same stuff you people were peddaling during the Clinton Administration,
high on anger short on facts
1) YOU and anybody else including excons can still buy all the guns you want at any gunshow
2) You can still speak your mind with no fear
3) You can still get socialist services like Libraries, Police, Fire etc
so enjoy your for ever predicted civil war, remember it was tried once and did not work out well for anybody
and remember an election in which YOU Loose is NOT the end of Democracy
and thanks for playing
124. The ACLU can’t help Hassan. That’s because Hassan faces a General Courts Martial, not a civilian trial. A GCM does not have to be public, does not permit a civilian lawyer, and both the judge and jury are exclusively military personnel. The only chance he has for mercy is that Obama would have to sign off on his death warrant, so it is within Obama’s power to suspend a death sentence or commute it to life without parole.
Joe Hill
What damage is done with searches? My granny is pretty tough when it comes confounding the enemy, she understands the intent (she wasn’t born yesterday).
Barring visas to Moslems is foolish and futile. The intruders will just say they are Hindus or Animists or Krishnas. Who knows what religion floats in a man or woman’s mind? Profiling is better. Watch Abdul or Achmet or Kareem, but realize some of these buys may be basketball-players.
If we are to precipitate a Islamic Reformation we need some Islamic friends.
As I said, better to let Moslems kill Moslems. This has been called the War for the Moslem mind. As far back as the French and Indian Wars there were good Indians and bad Indians.
I know we have Moslems fighting for us who carry long grudges. AQ and Taliban have killed more of their own co-religionists than they have Americans.
Expect more attacks as our limp-wristed Congress and President try to placate extremists.
Any it is also bad for the economy and air travel industry of Nigeria.
CAIR will see to it that NWA and the passengers onboard that flight are brought to justice and sued in a court of law. How dare they violate the “constitutional rights” of an innocent Nigerian? He was peacefully lighting some incense to help him in his prayers, when he was profiled and jumped by a bunch of Islamophobes. This had nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with bigotry against Muslims. A new law will have to be created to make sure all passengers receive a pamphlet on tolerance and sensitivity before boarding a flight.
After 9/11 there was a lot of discussion on various websites methods airplane passengers could use to defend themselves against on-board terrorists. I took these discussions seriously.
One of the weapons that could easily be made was a can of coke in a sock. Another was pepper spray or other spray bottle item. Now these simple defense items have been outlawed, along with knives, screwdrivers, leathermen, etc. that are both useful and deadly.
However, there are still many items that can be used as weapons in a pinch, and you can probably figure some out for yourselves. I always carry my weapons whenever I fly, and I hope that all of you will do so as well.
Please stay armed, people. We’re the only ones who can protect our lives against Jihadists and other evildoers.
I gotta jump in and support my fellow limp-wristed commie buddy TomDem55 here…So much to dispel so few characters…hmmm. Yeah, Obama just decided one morning to cancel the F-22. That decision had been in the works for a while, certainly before he took office. Go back and review how many weapons platforms your leader Dick Cheney cancelled when he was SoD. What new Russian and Chinese fighters? They aren’t building any and we still own the skies. Besides, the F-35 costs much less and is more versatile. You compare the annual budget to a one-off stimulus plan? Wow, those are some serious Halliburton-like accounting comparisons. You should be proud of yourself.
To be continued
Thanks MarkieBee, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and current SecDef have actually tried to restrain the wilder excesses of our Military Industrial Complex….
TTFN
Limpet6 – The problem is we are spending billions on a Maginot Line that cannot possibly work. Forget the fixed fortifications of the TSA. Reid was stopped by his fellow passengers. This guy was stopped by his fellow passengers and so were the rug dunkers who went down on Flight 93. The TSA has never stopped anything and it is pure conjecture whether they have detered anything. Mostly all they have done is confiscate toenail clippers.
I would rather take the billions we are spending and invest it in PsyOps, Black Ops, and other active measures. We handed Al Qaeda a bigger victory with our reaction and defensive measures than the attack warranted. Believe it or not there is a relative limited supply of morons who really want to blow themselves up and the number shrinks dramatically when Mom, Pop, little Sis and the village idiot back home all wind up paying a price rather than getting a stipend.
Give me a fraction of the money the TSA is spending and I’ll get you pictures of the Imam of your choice playing tonsil hockey with a goat in his fourth wife’s nighty. They might even be real and that kind of thing will deal a bigger blow to these Elmer Gantry’s in turbans then you ever will searching through granny’s sachet.
TomDem
Who said anything about guns and civil wars. This will be a fight that is fought within the confines and the parameters of our democracy. Guns won’t be needed if you take a look at the polls tanking after just one short year of liberty destroying policies from your boy wonder and his cute little czars. He and his ilk will be dispatched out of office using the same means by which they got there. You also forget that his lies and subterfuge in a large measure helped get him elected. No elected liberal can ever tell the truth about what they REALLY want to accomplish or the electorate would recoil and flee in horror. Face it your hero cannot seem to tell the truth.If he had then he would not be president. It is just that simple. He is corrupt to his rotten core. You libs seem to think all us right wingers want to go grab the guns at the first sign of unrest and discontent. It is hilarious. That you lefties think we all have big guns is useful though. Hope Obama thinks so too. You guys on the left are way more prone to violence anyway. And that is a FACT. By the way Tom, I was wallowing in the darkness with you during the Clinton years. I was just as much a lib as you are back then. My greatest shame as an American comes from the votes I cast as a democrat for nearly 30 years. I hang my head in disgrace everytime I think about the idiots I voted for. I am much better informed now a days. Clinton would be a welcome breath of fresh air compared to this bozo and I am no fan of Clinton. Obama is an evil sent to test our democracy and while I am not naive enough to think the fight will be pretty, America will prevail. Intact and stronger than ever . Obama is one big wake up call and America is beginning to stir. The discontent is palpable and effervescent. Surely even you can feel it with your head in the sand. This is a once in a life time event and it is exciting to be a part of it. Sorry that you insist on being on the wrong side of it. Better than the 60′s. I never reaized how deep my love for this country went until it was threatened from within. I will never take my America for granted ever again. I also don’t know what you mean by the Civil War not “working out”. The results of that war were a precursor to the fact that even a loser like Obama can do anything in this country. If that war had not been fought , he would be picking cotton or working as a butler for some plantation owner. I digress though. The whole point of this conversation is the latest peace loving Muslim to try and blow up Americans. Everyone should venture into the left blogosphere. What an eye opener! Nowhere but in the mind of a liberal would some guy getting on an airplane and seting himself on fire be no big deal. I swear I am not lying. This is what the left is saying. The overreaction of the right is the problem not the terrorist who set himself on fire. We have no hope of ever having any common ground with the left. We can’t even agree when some jihadist idiot sets himself on fire at 30,000 feet. Very profound. We can’t even agree on evil – i.e. terrorist, Obama. What is to become of us ?
About Islam and terrorists, Here is a discussion I tried to have with “intellectuals” who just wanted to explain the murder of our Soldiers at FT. Hood as an mental aberration. I lost the discussion and left before I wrote something I would regret later.
As far as the (other, more dangerous) immediate threat to our Republic, here is what I have to say about that:
I have had to counter about half of the social education my four grand kids get from their schools. Schools that teach from textbooks that are not only incomplete, biased but in some cases just outright wrong.
For almost fifty years the liberals, progressives if you will and the closet Commies and Marxists have been infiltrating and perverting the American Educational System and in turn, churning out new young progressives that influence and pervert their kids and send them to the same institutions of “higher learning”. Even worse is that this progressive decay has creeped down into our primary and secondary educational systems, giving them a head start on the brainwashing of our children.
You think the divide in America is growing? Well so do I and millions of other Americans in flyover country do too.
This time it really is not just about politics.
SOME of us realize that it is about taking control of the United States of America and turning it into a Socialist/Marxist cesspool just like the other failed states in this world. Which of course will cause our Military to shrink and it’s ability to defend to diminish. The economy/energy/education will be fully in the hands of the state, which is the fastest way to the complete destruction of America and her beliefs.
We conservatives and others haven’t liked the choices our representatives have been making for about the last fifty years. But being the silent ones we just kept working and hoping that our government would somehow see the light and the errors in their ways. And being gullible we kept voting for those that lied and said they were for conservative ways and measures and a smaller government.
While of course the progressives and closet communists kept eating out bigger and bigger pieces of the federal and state governments.
So there you have it…Our continuing bad judgment and mistakes. We have to bear much if not all of the blame. Especially for electing Obama.
Also remember this, Obama and his backers not only understand the stealthy incremental nature of legislation, but he also has been taught the Chicago way of doing business in politics, and he has backers and handlers that understand it even more. How do you think he got where he is?
The dirty tricks department not only extends to false registrations and well hidden vote fraud, but to Chicago dirty tricks in the Senate and the House, and in the back rooms of Lobbyists, Progressive Support Groups such as ACORN and of course-Unions.
They don’t even bother to try and hide it anymore and Obama has put in place Czars to do their bidding and cut Congress almost completely out of the legislative loop.
Then we have the Supreme Court which is just now getting warmed up to really make some serious changes in the Law.
When enough Americans finally understand what our Founders feared would happen-has indeed happened slowly and steadily over the last fifty or so years, Obama, Reid, Pelosi and RINOS like them should never be reelected. Or you would think so, wouldn’t you? But if we go by our past record, it appears that Americans can’t see past the lies told by those running for office.
Maybe that will change, I certainly pray it does because it has to.
In the LAST ten or so years, it has taken an out of control federal government spending our money and lots of it to FINALLY get our attention. while it should have happened over these last fifty or so years, it just didn’t because it was a slow and steady drain of our liberty and stealthy building of government theft and accumulation of powers. And of course payments over and under the table to almost everybody, including the millions of blacks, other minorities and poor whites that have now become a welfare state of their own with no chance of ridding themselves of it.
Even now today, there are still millions of Americans that don’t know or care a twit about politics but just vote the party line or even worse…don’t vote at all. The democrats almost have a lock on minority and black voters and will close that lock with legislation in the next few months.
This time in our history, this enemy within, are almost succeeding. The only thing in their way is you and the rest of loyal Americans, of all parties and affiliations, that see and are applalled at what is happening to our Republic. Because it appears our representatives and even our especially our President will not uphold their oaths.
Power indeed does corrupt, but it takes a certain deviant breed of people that want to change America into something that our Founders never wanted, fought against and warned us about. They are our enemies within.
Our Founder’s not only warned us against all this, but wrote rules in our Bill of Rights (and it’s Preamble), our Constitution. And inscribed in other important papers that were meant to warn, prepare and enable us to protect the Republic for which they stood, died for and wanted for all of their future generations of Americans.
It has only been in the last few months or so, that millions of American’s attention has not only been raised, but also their long held anger has been allowed to vent itself against our so called “representatives”, the ones that are supposed to be working for us, but seem to just be working for themselves and others.
I pray in the next few years or so there will be many more millions of Americans that will voice their opinion loud and clear and vote accordingly. If they don’t or are stopped by voter fraud and other Chicago tricks and tactics, then the only alternative is not to be spoken of until it will be almost too late.
Papa Ray
West (now Central) Texas
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The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
2009 Judge Alex Kozinski
Ok now that was not long winded,
1) Obama is an American Citizen
2) Obama is NOT a terrorist
3) I don’t know what you are talking about the dude in Detroit IS a Jihadist who was tackeled by Dutch guy
4) No, NOT all Muslims are peace loving NOBODY I know asserts that
5) The Civil War did not work out for the Nation as we KILLED each other, yes the good guys won, but it was too close
6) Obama is Hawaiian, not evil
7)Obama is not my Hero, but he is my elected president
8) My hero was JFK, actual war hero liberal and elected president
9) Lies and subtrefuge, surely you mean the previous president Bush who lied about Iraq and plunged us into an unnecessary war, who had the NSA listen in on the conversations of fellow Americans like the conversations between members of our armed forces and their spouses here at home? Or the monitoring of our blogging or our phone calls, like THAT???
thanks for playing
and remember when you loose a National Election that has consequences
Or did you never hear Rush Limbaugh say to the Dems and progressives to shut up till you win an election…..
“who had the NSA listen in on the conversations of fellow Americans like the conversations between members of our armed forces and their spouses here at home”
Hmm…one wonders what this Majick Negro worshipper has to say about “truth squads” threatening private citizens with jailtime, 0bama partisans looking up ordinary people’s tax liens, etc etc ad infinitum. Probably nothing but an embarrassed mumble about “omlets”, “a few eggs”, and so on. As long it means he gets “free” “health care” for beloved wifey with my tax dollars, I suppose it’s all good.
Well, it certainly didn’t take long for a discussion about a fortunately botched terrorist attempt to bring out the nutcase, right wing wackos and their equally nutcase conspiracy nonsense about Obama. Let’s make this simple: if you voted for Bush in 2004 and still see nothing wrong with that, you seriously, *seriously* have no clue whatsoever about how things really are/were in this country and the world at large. Obama is trying to fix things that Bush either broke or let go bad, no more, no less. Bush *lost* his so called war on terrorism. Bin Laden wanted the US military bases out of Saudi Arabia, and that was the key basis for the 9/11 attacks. Not only did Bin Laden get his wish a couple of years later, but he’s still on the loose, and al-Qaeda became resurgent until Obama refocused on them again. And also you can’t, again cluelessly, whine about losing personal liberties either.
We clear now?
“free” “health care” for beloved wifey with my tax dollars, I suppose it’s all good.
I think TomDem55 is going to be very surprised at the implementation of that “free” health care he thinks his wife is going to get.
I’m pretty sure that since he said his wife’s medicine is VERY expensive, that she will be one of those told to take the blue pain pill and just wait to die. That is if she even gets a chance to see a doctor after the health care RATIONING begins. Check out the death rates for cancer patients in Great Britain with their wonderful Nationalized Health Care. It’s not something I would wish on my enemies, but TomDem55, since you want it, you are welcome to it.
Thanks Nine, nice to meet you too!
His name is President Obama, like when I type about the previous president, President Bush, and OOPS wrong again, I worship no man
So Obama Partisans look up ordinary folks tax liens? No republican operatives ever did anything like that DID THEY?
As for free health care, would that be nice, but no I don’t think that will happen, what will happen is all, or most all will be eligible for subsidies to help PAY to PRIVATE INSURANCE companies for health care insurance, and apparently Medicare will get additional funding. Yes I hope you are happy with your taxes supporting
1) NSA
2) NASA
3) FBI
4) DEA
5) CIA
6) Army, Navy Air Force, Marines and Coasties
7) EPA
8) Veterans Administration
9) NIH, (including PubMed)
10)Library of Congress
and of course innumerable local socialist organizations like Libraries, Police, Fire etc
and of course the billions in tax dollars that go for Nationl Defense and Farm subsidies
thats just a scratch in the surface,
thanks for playing
“president Bush who lied about Iraq and plunged us into an unnecessary war”
The war with Iraq for violating ceasefire agreements by firing on US aircraft almost daily while grossly violating the human rights of real human beings including rape, starvation and murder (and plotted the murder of a former US president). The war that Saddam Hussien caused by refusing to allow inspection for weapons of mass destruction. The war that was endorsed by both parties in Congress who voted to “plunge” the US into war.
The war that global international Marxists condemned because it removed a murdering tyrant from power and freed 25 million human beings from slavery.
Tom has chosen to align himself with global international Marxists and with tyranny, rape, lawlessness and murder. That has consequences too.
“and apparently Medicare will get additional funding”
FAIL Tom, Obamacare calls for medicare cuts. Obamacare also requires you to purchase health care if not provided by your employer. Only the poorest of the poor will receive subsidies.
Tomdem really embodies that priceless Reagan quote about the trouble with liberals… ‘Its not that they are ignorant, its just that all the facts they know are wrong.
Big Tom says that Health Care is supported by Americans.
Rassmussen Polls say ::
Voters Frown on Health Plan Details – Abortion, Proof of Citizenship, Public Option
Thursday, December 24, 2009
Senate Democrats are celebrating this morning for passing their version of health care reform, but voters still don’t like much of what they see.
At the start of the week, 41% of voters nationwide were in favor of the health care bill, but 55% were opposed. This is the fifth straight week with support for the legislation between 38% and 41%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/december_2009/voters_frown_on_health_plan_details_abortion_proof_of_citizenship_public_option
Big Tom says that Bush eavesdropped on Americans…
Washington Post ABC Poll says that most Americans approved of this effort to combat terrorism.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375.html
That’s just a couple. I agree, Tom has a lot to learn from visiting this site.
—No one will be prevented from obtaining coverage for a pre-existing condition.
Tom is in favor of crooks not paying for insurance until they know they have a disease. The essence of liberal thought.
BC:
“a fortunately botched terrorist attempt” …hmm. The oft-repeated talking point of the day that all stenographers and mindful minions are duly repeating as if clicking the heels makes it so.
The terrorist plot was penetratingly successful…up to and including the explosion. The only thing that was botched was the magnitude of the explosion.
yes. the beloved “wackos” (as you so affectionately call us) are “crystal” clear…
Back to the news. It is now being reported by the stenography pool at the LA Times that the Islamic jihadist is backing off his al-Qaeda connections. Changed his mind mid-stream…and all by himself, no doubt. If true, a new and improved talking point with be forthcoming for ya, BC. The “failed terrorist attempt” was just a stopgap talking point til a more palatable narrative could be constructed.
Entirely anticipated by the “wackos” because “they” are aware that the oddity of so much uncontrolled information leaking out so quickly would, of necessity, need to be “moderated” by forthcoming new and improved facts.
Stay tuned, more revisionism is surely on its way…
Thanks for all the projecting about who and what I believe in
let’s try again
1) we went to war with a nation that had not attacked us and that caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis
2) This is not about the henious record of Sadaam, this is about WHY did we attack that country? why not attack Burma, or China or Saudi Arabia, note to all the bulk of the hijackers on 9/11 were SAUDIS, no Iraqis attacked us
3) Bush violated the LAW (you know the law that applies to all of us) and eaves dropped on YOU and I, It matters NOT a WHIT that many Americans thought it ok, heck most Americans don’t even like the bill of rights
4) I have never asked for free health care, but FOLKS need access to helath care
5) Crooks already have health care if they are incarcerated
6) Thanks but I never said I was in favor of crooks getting medical care, how you got that from the pre existing condition sentence is beyond me
7) Have YOU a pre existing condition that would prevent YOU from purchasing (see PURCHASING) medical insurance? You know that these insurance companies have concluded that previous pregnancies are a pre existing condition, that ACNE is a pre-existing condition
Health care access for all
Or have the insurance companies killed enough of your FELLOW American citizens
thanks again
Oh, and the essence of liberal thought
is Free speech, freedom of and from religion
Freedom from want and from fear
(FDR four freedoms inarticularly revisited)
“we went to war with a nation that had not attacked us”
FAIL…the Iraqi military routinely fired missiles at US aircraft in violation of the ceasefire terms signed in 1991…an act of war. And since US aircraft are piloted by US personnel it is in fact an attack on Americans.
“and that caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis”
FAIL…state the source of that number Tom. The US targeted Iraqi military forces and killed those who resisted, unlike Saddam and company that intentionally murdered Iraqis.
Tom you must stop the lies. It is just as irresponsible as not providing health insurance for your poor wife. Be a man for your wife Tom.
Sorry to be pretentious, but do I hear a benediction to this thread? Anyone got an Amen . . . ?
Um – why is our Irish buddy rattling off this list of agencies over and over again?
Plus I was hoping for an honest answer re: why it’s OK for the Majick Negro’s supporters to violate First Amendment rights and why wifey’s health problems must be taken care of thru charity collected from me by men with guns. Instead, all I get is a pathetic tu quoque from his devotee. A real shame, because there are so many questions raised by the Messiah’s “plan”:
Why does a provision need to be tacked on to make sure illegals don’t get benefits? Note that this is by the Dems’ own admission – not a smear by Joe Wilson.
Why did the Commander in Thief lie to Wilson (and the rest of the American people) about them not being covered? Is there any reason why it’s so difficult to provide stringent proofs-of-citizenship for all beneficiaries? Surely Dear Leader would never jeopardize the US by trading benefits for votes from non-citizens who are a security risk and often consume more public goods than they produce. Right?
Based on the rationales advanced by those who think health care is a right, why not cover, say, breast implants, tummy tucks, growth hormones, and every other conceivable cosmetic surgery? After all, it’s a proven fact that more attractive/sexually desirable/taller people enjoy higher standards of living and, thus, would tend to longer lives. Isn’t it discriminatory that not everyone can afford these potentially life-prolonging treatments?
Should I also not be responsible for Irish wifey’s plasma tv, car insurance, St. Patrick’s day T-Shirts, gas money, Mickey Mouse figurines, “Sex and the City” special edition DVD box set, etc etc? So long as she can demonstrate sufficient “need”? Having these needs met would surely reduce the amount of stress in her life and prolong her lifespan. This is a fact, not conjecture.
Is mandating coverage of preexisting conditions (as Kenyan-Jeebus wants) even “risk management by distributing potential loss amongst similarly situated individuals”, aka insurance?
Will individuals who benefit from “free” coverage be more or less likely to make healthy lifestyle choices than they would be if they weren’t the beneficiaries of other people’s money? Why or why not?
If the government tries to limit costs by exerting greater control over Americans’ lifestyles, will the regulatory structures needed to compel obedience produce more or less individual freedom? Will said structures be administered with typical government efficiency & thrift?
Nice catch of the lie about how many Americans support the “health care” “plan”. Also, that’s not even counting the typical pro-statist errors statisticians usually get when they conduct surveys – oversampling urban dwellers, too many minorities as a %age of sample size, and the fact that non-working government beneficiaries are more likely to have time to answer questions in the first place. I distinctly recall a poll about a week before election day predict McCain/Palin would only get 37% of the vote.
Thanks to “free” “health care” 0bama’s reelection, while likely, is far from certain. Plus intelligent dems are all too aware that problems in commercial real estate & a second round of mortgage foreclosures are going to hit right smack dab in 2011-late 2012. Not an ideal situation for an affirmative action hire, eh? IMO this empty suit would be hard-pressed to function even during the Clinton-era “good times”…
http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/05/disruption/
Amen to the benediction.
Health insurance companies should deal with pre-existing conditions the same way life insurance companies do- either charge more money or write an exclusion into the policy stating that it will not cover said pre-existing condition. Likewise, I don’t see the problem in charging men more than women or women more than men; you charge what the actuarial tables say you should charge for a person with the given vital information. Having a heart condition should not prevent a person from being able to buy a policy that will cover them in the event of traumatic injury, even if the policy has to be written to exclude paying for heart attacks and the like.
There is far more proof of Saddam’s WMD’s (Duelfer Report, 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium moved from Iraq to Canada in 2008, Anfal campaign, etc.) than there is for global warming (China has built a new coal plant every ten days for the last decade and the world has NOT gotten warmer). Why is that the very same people who so passionately declaim that Saddam was no threat are fanatically convinced that CO2 is an existential threat to the planet?
I have never met a liberal who read “The 9/11 Commission Report.” I suppose they’re waiting for the movie version.
To Tony: I dare you to post a link to a single legitimate “proof” of Saddam’s WMD’s (and that can’t include leftover scraps from the Iran-Iraq war), and I double dawg dare you to link to a single legitimate scientific organization that doesn’t support the case for man-made global warming.
Look to the British Medical Journal LANCET for “excess in civilian deaths”
Look to (really) Wikepedia for details of the non presence of WMD
Look to the bill in the house which actuall states that illegal aliens can not get state supported coverage
Am glad you read polls, so when the polls go back up will the rise matter to you?
Representative Joe Wilson was out of line and misinformed
Who is talking about free health care, it would be nice but nobody thinks that is a reality
Anybody who expects cosmetic care to be covered is crazy
President Obama was born in Hawaii, the republican head of health statistics for Hawaii and John McCain agree on this, also the two contemporaneous birth announcements in two separate Hawaaian newspapers also prove his birth
Again why did we not attack Saudi Arabia?
as for Global climate change, just keep watching the poles melt, do you really think most climate scientists are lying? Do you really think that the crap we have put in our atmosphere for the length of the Industrial Revolution has had NO effect on our environment?
Good Night kids and thanks for playing
Oh I repeat the alphabet soup of government agencies as they are supported by us all for the benefit of us all………
Here ya go, B.C. After 9/11, that is, after we had ignored multiple acts and declarations of war from Al Qaeda throughout the 90′s (read the “9/11 Commission Report”), the Bush Administration decided to begin removing other potential threats. Since Iraq had been the subject of 16 UN Security Council sanctions, and more than a decade of no-fly-zones and other restrictions, the most logical place to start was to remove the threat of Saddam’s proven intention to develop WMD’s and support for terrorists. The Oil-for-Food debacle was rapidly eroding thanks to our pals the French and Russians, and Saddam was close to being free to go about his deadly business once again.
In his speech announcing the decision to go to war, President Bush stated “We are now acting because the risks of inaction would be far greater. In one year, or five years, the power of Iraq to inflict harm on all free nations would be multiplied many times over.”
In the Duelfer Report, Central Intelligence’s conclusions concerning our inspections after the overthrow of Saddam are presented, “Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq’s WMD capability—which was essentially destroyed in 1991—after sanctions were removed and Iraq’s economy stabilized, but probably with a different mix of capabilities to that which previously existed. Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability—in an incremental fashion, irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks—but he intended to focus on ballistic missile and tactical chemical warfare (CW) capabilities.” And in July, 2008, the Canadian firm Cameco took possession of the remains of Saddam’s nuclear weapons program with the shipment of 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium.
In addition to removing Iraq as a potential WMD threat, Libya surrendered all of their chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs as a result of the overthrow of Saddam, and A.Q. Khan’s international proliferation network was destroyed. Years later, the Israelis destroyed a Syrian nuclear facility not far from Iraq.
In my humble estimation, these are all good results of winning and ending the war in Iraq. You may hear vague echoes of these same intentions in the current Administration’s attempts to stem the threat of Iran developing WMD’s. Would you say it’s a good idea to restrain Iran from having nuclear weapons and ICBM’s, given their historic and openly declared support for terrorism? If so, doing the same to Saddam was also a good idea.
As for the cargo cult of global warming, it’s up to the true believers to prove it to the rest of us. We all agree, China’s, India’s and other developing nations’ exploding economies are making vast contributions to the CO2 content of the atmosphere, raising it from 3/100′s to 4/100′s of a percent of the total content eventually. But, we don’t see temperatures rising concurrently these past ten years. Perhaps you can cite a few of your esteemed scientific authorities to answer the question: Why is that? CO2 up, temperature down – how can that be?
Oh, btw, the Belmont Club is not a bicker blog. So, I rest my cases.
Cheers!
BC & TomDem55: AGW – It is currently not possible for man to change the climate—for better or worse. As for man’s CO2 emissions, it would be easier to sit in your backyard and fill up the swimming pool with your spit than it is for the world’s population to affect earth’s climate by its CO2 emissions. But facts have not yet stood in the way of the multi-trillion dollar snake oil trading exchange and the Tetzel bazaar of global carbon indulgences.
Facts to peruse on the 30 year history of massive ClimateFraud:
http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarming/climategate/history/2009.12.23_climategate_30_years_in_the_making_banner.pdf
To Tony:
1) Al-Qaeda had nothing to with Hussein and Clinton for one did not ignore them. And this has nothing to do with WMD’s. Strike 1.
2) There is no *proven intention to develop WMD’s” (see the next point) and Saddam’s support for terrorists began and ended with the Palestinians. Strike 2
3) Regarding the Duelfer report, Charles Duelfer said Hussein’s ability to produce nuclear weapons had “progressively decayed” since 1991. He also said that the UN inspectors found no evidence of “concerted efforts to restart the program.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12115-2004Oct6.html Strike 3
4) Using a Bush speech as evidence automatically gets you 3 more strikes.
5) That yellowcake that was removed was not weapons grade and was just leftover waste from an old nuclear reactor. It was legal and known, and was only removed because of concern that the insurgents might get their hands on it and make dirty bombs out of it. That makes, umm, 7 strikes.
6) Global temperatures lag behind CO2, and India’s and China’s contribution have be put into context. And the temperatures haven’t exactly been down. 8 Strikes. A least you have time to walk across the street for a liesurely ice coffee.
BC– Your source for this comment?: “Global temperatures lag behind CO2″
The Futility of Copenhagen: Preventing A Future 1°C Global Temp Increase Can’t Be Done, It’s Simply Impossible
Read here. Many accuse the CO2-AGW skeptics of being anti-science, yet in the real world, it is the skeptics who embrace science with gusto and won’t let go of it. The actual physical science of CO2 emissions, atmospheric CO2 levels, and subsequent influence on temperatures is very well known. To reduce it down to its simplest components, to keep global temperatures from rising a single degree Celsius means that 1.767 trillion tons of future CO2 emissions must be prevented (human CO2 mitigation) – that’s the actual hard science.
The entire world of human activities produced only 32 billion tons of CO2 emissions in 2008. In order to eliminate 1.767 trillion tons of human CO2 emissions, which would prevent a 1 degree Celsius increase, the world (us) has to eliminate 100% of all CO2 emissions for 55+ years, based on 2008 figure of 32 billion tons. Yes, over 55 years of zero economic/industrial/government activity, to accomplish zero CO2 emissions, just to prevent a 1 degree increase, starting immediately.
The science is the science and there is no escaping the hard, scientific facts. There is no way to politically or economically to shut down the world’s economic system for decades, let alone a year, to meet a dubious climate objective. Or, in different words, CO2 mitigation will be unable to deliver practical, significant prevention of future temperature increases.
For the world’s citizens, Copenhagen’s sole focus on CO2 mitigation (‘decarbonization’) has been an exercise in galactic futility, and ostentatious waste, conducted by the hubris-challenged political elites and celebrity class, who are the antithesis of science, if not its most fervent enemies.
http://www.c3headlines.com/2009/12/the-futility-of-copenhagen-preventing-future-global-temp-increase-of-only-1c-cant-be-done-its-scient.html
I call BS on the MLIVE story. Schipol actually has multiple security stations depending on whether you need to transit terminals (even within the secure area) and I have found them to be pretty thorough. They have similar restrictions as in the US, remove laptop, shoes, and passport/documentation checks. I’m not going to argue the effectiveness of these policies, because I believe some of these models are fundamentally flawed.
When travelling internationally, one gets checked several times for proper visa/paperwork. US airlines are subject to HUGE fines for transporting somebody that gets refused entry at the destination. I’ve had visa and passport checks occur several times (at check-in, prior-to-boarding, security, and boarding). Most countries in Europe (and Asia) require you to clear immigration when leaving the country as well (which would not have occurred at Schipol on a connection such as this). I find it hard to believe that an “escort” was able to get a person through multiple levels of getting boarding passes and passport checks, especially while trying to transit a European airport.
This guy was able to successfully light a bomb on the airplane. Those on the flight were very lucky the damn thing didn’t work. We need to be smarter, more aggressive, and more diligent. We need to implement ElAl style (or better) security measures. Otherwise one can expect to be handcuffed naked to their seat for their next international flight. The FUD of these scenarios and the government backlash is going to be horrible. The TSA/airlines have already started to implement further carry-on restrictions. As somebody that flies 150k+ miles a year, I’m already starting to dread my travel plans for next year. I’d rather the government grow some balls and some common sense.
DGM:
It certainly seems implausible, but then there is this report:
Judith Sluiter, a spokeswoman for Dutch counter-terrorism agency NCTb, said it had started a probe into the incident, trying to determine where the suspect originated. “He did not go through passport control,” a Dutch military police spokesman said. The spokesman confirmed he transferred from another flight of uncertain origin.
An Air France-KLM spokeswoman said passenger lists were confidential and she could not confirm Abdulmutallab started his journey with a KLM flight to Amsterdam from Lagos.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e1e8fd44-f1da-11de-bcfc-00144feab49a.html
“who is talking about free health care”
Heh. This coming right after our Gaelic pal’s several-comment long rambling re: medical “justice” and “fairness”. Still waiting for the defence of first amendment violations, Sotero’s lie about aliens, and Robin Hood economics. Oh well.
As for Mr. Sotero’s erstwhile brother-in-arms, I seem to recall Sotero and Howard Dean preaching after 9/11 that “injustice” and “lack of opportunities” had angered M. Attah & friends. All y’all evil whiteys who live in a house the size of Abdulmutallab’s, please say “aye”.
QUOTE:
“Fabrizio Cavallo Marincola, 22, who studied mechanical engineering beside Abdulmutallab – nicknamed Biggie – at University College London, said that he graduated in May 2008 and showed no signs of radicalisation or of links to al-Qa’ida. “We worked on projects together,” he said. “He always did the bare minimum of work and would just show up to classes. When we were studying, he always would go off to pray…”
Pretty cute, how the same aggrieved slothfulness seems to motivate wannabe totalitarians the world over. Just help us get rid of the infidels/kulaks/Big Insurance ™ and we’ll give you tons of free stuff. And once we’re done? It’ll be Irish eyes a smilin’.
To Ellison: You mean like this or this?
#21 Rab: since you’ve just given the terrorists a more palatable and easier way to destroy the planes, how would you stop something like that if privacy laws prohibit filming in the lavatories?
BC, if you are interested in the history, you will read “The 9/11 Commission Report.” I know that is verboten in certain circles, perhaps because it shows that the Bush Administration did more to confront Al Qaeda in their first 8 months than Clinton did in his 8 years. Your hero Richard Clarke is famous for the quote: (in context from Wiki, which is quoting the 9/11 Report) “Specifically, in February 1999 Clarke wrote the Deputy National Security Advisor that one reliable source reported Iraqi officials had met with Bin Ladin and may have offered him asylum. Therefore, Clarke advised against surveillance flights to track bin Laden in Afghanistan: Anticipating an attack, “old wily Usama will likely boogie to Baghdad”, where he would be impossible to find.”
It appears that Bush-haters argue that after 9/11 it would be best to ignore the assumed relationships between Saddam, WMD and al Qaeda, even though they were the basis of our foreign policy for the previous eight years.
The same 9/11 Report quotes Clinton NSA officials as saying if they try to get Al Qaeda and the enemy responds, the Clinton people will be blamed for it. How heroic of them! It’s no wonder that liberals find that book of history to be so offensive that they need to position themselves as “denialists” of our recent history.
The fact remains that until Bush overthrew the Taliban, Osama bin Laden was operating openly for years in Afghanistan (while Clinton went to war in Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Serbia, Iraq, and pinpricked Sudan and Afghanistan), including multiple declarations and acts of war against the US. Clinton was particularly contemptible when he refused to respond to the act of war against the USS Cole because it was “too close to the election.”
I am singularly impressed, but not in a good way, about Obama fans crowing about his missile attacks on enemy compounds, while in the same posts decrying waterboarding and Gitmo. What do you think hurts more and leaves more lasting injuries, waterboarding or a Hellfire? Likewise, this bit about attacking “Iraq who was no threat” as evil because Iraq never attacked us (or some such), while in the same posts there is crowing about attacks on Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan. I’m not referring to you, dear BC, but rather your comrade in words.
As for global warming, the Earth has been warming and cooling throughout all known geological history. To put all of the cause of global warming on the back of modern technology, one has to assume all of those forces operating over eons have simply stopped working. Indeed, the global warming models don’t account for such things as ocean currents, solar activity or even clouds, in the obsessive focus on the Luddite preoccupation of damning modern technology and the progress that has lifted billions of humans from the barest survival in poverty, hunger and disease that marks human history.
Have a lovely day!
OK, folks, it’s all over. Nothing more to discuss. Our leader has taken the helm, as CNN reports:
“– President Obama orders airline security review after alleged attempted terror attack, spokesman says.”
That about wraps it up. We can all be assured that our safety is secure. Move on (as the leftist love to say).
BC:
Ref A) The hockey team science already debunked.
Ref B) The “new” study shows that man can change the climate how?
In all fairness, I asked you for your references. Perhaps you already understand the science behind the fact that currently there is no means by which man can change the climate for better or worse.
Thank you for your references.
At least he burnt his genitals off and now can not reproduce. Hopefully those that are in charge of caring for him in the hospital are pouring salt on his wounds.
The Obama regime’s new Orwellian talking point more ludicrous than the last. No lie too embarrassing to tell; in fact the bigger, the better is the motto of the Obama regime:
Napolitano On Failed Terror Attempt: “The System Worked”
DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said that the thwarting of the attempt to blow up the Amsterdam-Detroit flight this week demonstrated that “the system worked.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/12/27/napolitano_on_failed_terror_attempt_the_system_worked.html
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possibleterrorist attack? This was a terrorist attack witnessed by many.I am so tired of alleged perpetrators and so on. We do not need a trail with a judge juries and attorneys. This scum tried to blow up an aircraft in a populated area with PETN and his trial should begin immediately and then punishment should immediately follow! Actually he should get a military tribunal and then promptly be executed!
Another Nigerian on yet another Detroit bound aircraft on the same flight number was arrested today after becoming abusive and barricaded himself in the toilet for over an hour.
See the news report below:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581232,00.html
He should be hauled in front of a military tribunal and charged with 278 counts of attempted murder and one count of sabotage. Sabotage carries the death penalty when it performed by someone not wearing a military uniform.
To Ellison:
1A) The hockey stick was only “debunked” in the minds of clueless who get their info from really, *really* bad sources. Some minor corrections gave it a bulge, no more, no less.
1B) The “how” bit comes from decades of science and research — might I suggest you give this little thing a read?