Steven Hayward talks about how an NYT reporter was threatened with the “Big Cutoff” by a meteorologist after revealing that prostitutes were going to provide free services to climate change campaigners. The email conveyed the tone of 1) betrayal; 2) scandal at hearing blasphemy and 3) threat. If it were the Old Testament the wording would have been ‘Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.’ The mail went thus:
Copenhagen prostitutes?
Climate prostitutes?
Shame on you for this gutter reportage. [Emphasis added.]
This is the second time this week I have written you thereon, the first about giving space in your blog to the Pielkes.
The vibe that I am getting from here, there and everywhere is that your reportage is very worrisome to most climate scientists.
Of course, your blog is your blog.
But, I sense that you are about to experience the ‘Big Cutoff’ from those of us who believe we can no longer trust you, me included. [Emphasis added.]
Copenhagen prostitutes?
Unbelievable and unacceptable.
What are you doing and why?
The first thing that struck me when reading this email was how familiar the tone was. Everyone who has ever had contact with closed groups of true believers will recognize it immediately. Hayward continues:
Judge for yourself if this constitutes “gutter reportage” and deserves censure from the climate science community. I’ll add that one of the CRU e-mails I read mentioned that Revkin is not always reliable from their point of view; I can’t now find it, but recall it vividly for the presumption that reporters are supposed to serve as mere transcribers for the climate campaign.
This raises another small but perhaps significant point that I didn’t have room to comment on in my Weekly Standard article: How is it possible for a group of smart people to write over 1,000 e-mails over the course of a decade without a single shred of wit or humor in any of them? There isn’t the tiniest hint anywhere that any of these guys ever grin. It jives with my experience of environmentalists for 20 years now that they are the single most humorless slice of humanity on the planet. (My favorite: I had a top greenie lawyer for the Audubon Society once say at a conference that “I regard the National Association of Home Builders to be every bit as evil as the National Rifle Association.” My comeback was: “I can understand why you’d think that about the home builders, but what’s your problem with the NRA?” The guy didn’t even crack a smile.) And here we see Andy Revkin threatened with a “cutoff” because he writes–on a blog–something mildly amusing about Copenhagen.
The descriptions jump out at you. When you read communications which routinely refer to others as ‘not reliable’; when a 1,000 emails contains not a single shred of wit or humor, then there’s some probability you’re encountering what we used to call the Grim and Determined man or G & D for short. It was an acronym my group of friends had for fanatical and dogmatic members of the Communist Party during the underground days. This behavior was so obvious it actually made it dangerous to be around them. These people could not assume a cover identity. They had only one invariate personality and any disguise they attempted called attention to themselves because it was at such odds with their unrelenting, monotonic and obsessive personalities.
Whenever you saw a G & D man, the odds were that he was being sent over to try and discipline you. It didn’t matter whether or not you recognized his authority, the G & D man always presumed that he had some kind of Petrine authority to bind and loose. They would have been equally at home working for Torquemada or Beria.
For a variety of reasons, they were bad news. But I think their type is not confined to left, though it has a disproportionately large share of them. I think you will find the G & D type in radical Islam, the environmental movement, and in any of the varieties of fanatical belief across the whole political spectrum. My advice to all who are threatened with the “Big Cutoff” is to go buy yourself a bottle of champagne. You’ve made it. You’re free. Step outside and you’ll find the sky a little bluer; the air more bracing. If you wonder why, remember what you are quit of. What is the world of the G & D man?
“No taste of food,
no feel of water,
no sound of wind,
no memory of tree
or grass or flower,
no image of moon
or star are left to me. ”
We used to say that it wasn’t “the People” that the G & D served but something else. And maybe it isn’t nature, soft grass and moonlight that the environmental G & D’s hearken to, but something else.
there are prostitutes for each big people meetings !
It’s a pity berlusconi didn’t make it, cuz he would offer his best looking call girls, ya know hairy, and with big boobs ! it’s how he likes t’em !
Perhaps only after all the MSM is “cut off” we will finally experience some liberation from collusion and political correctness.
You are on to something important. As Kris Kristofferson and Fred Foster put it into Janis Joplin’s voice, “Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to loose…”
I often think that the famous 23rd Psalm, “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil…” offers an alternate interpretation. Perhaps only those who have taken that walk through the valley of the shadow of death are the ones capable of fearing no evil.
Being “cut off” means no longer fearing the loss of benefits your keepers used to bequeath unto you. Now that is certainly a variation of Schumpeter and creative destruction, isn’t it.
It’s a pity berlusconi didn’t make it, cuz he would offer his best looking call girls, ya know hairy, and with big boobs ! it’s how he likes t’em !
Back in the day we had the notion of the destined pairing, driven by the observation that an extraordinary number of waitresses hooked up with cops, bus conductresses with bus drivers, family chauffers with maids. I am sure that this correspondence was entirely culture-specific. It’s probably different elsewhere. The interesting thing is that despite the outward absurdity of these relationships and many other juxtapositions, some of them flourished. It would be interesting to discover how many solid, beloved mamas were once racy and hairy.
What love? And what do we bear? Man’s a mystery, the stone that we pass by.
Ah, yes. Children of the Light.
The folks involved with “Climategate” are in a deep hole and they’re still digging. The global warmers tried ignoring that they’d been caught telling bald face lies but that’s not working. Some of the more intelligent ones are becoming “wildly indignant” which is the standard response when caught telling a lie. Pretty soon the bulk of them will have to settle for sullen rage with some of the second and third tier players pleading ignorance and doing Mea Culpas (that will be humorous to watch).
I almost feel sorry for the sleezy bastards. With Obama as Messiah they had a shot at becoming high priests of a new religion and taking over the world’s economy. Perhaps that was their undoing, i.e. the global warmers actually became a threat so they needed to be shutdown.
The following link is one of the more rational articles that I’ve read about AGW. It’s worth a read:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/12/05/why_copenhagen_is_all_hot_air_99410.html
Speaking of G&D’s, is it too early to call Al Gore the Bernie Madoff of the Environment?
wretchard:
in time I read that Australia run off of prostitutes for the olympic games
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/627012.stm
I’m not saying that I am against this business, in the contrary, if each can find its count !
Also, I don’t like the hypocrisy of the deny of it, prostitution is as old as the world, sometimes it saved family to break, or that some girls were/are raped !
I know, it’s not a poetic vision of the “thing”, though I still remember a Baudelaire poem about his favorite old prostitute
Eggplant, with all respect I don’t feel sorry for any of them. Among my acquaintances who have been Global Warming zealots, not a single one of them took my cautions seriously. I warned them all that the matter was far from settled, that the evidence was ambiguous at best, and that contrary to the propaganda, there really wasn’t scientific consensus.
So for all who are now or will in the future be embarrassed by this fraud, this should be — I emphasize SHOULD BE — a learning experience.
Alas, zealots rarely if ever learn. And for the rest of us, a pinch of humility is always a good idea.
Je veux longtemps plonger mes doigts tremblants
Dans l’épaisseur de ta crinière lourde …
Dans un sommeil aussi doux que la mort,
J’étalerai mes baisers sans remord
Sur ton beau corps poli comme le cuivre.
an exterpt of his poem, (can’t find the complete one, but it’s in “les fleurs du mal”
his prostitute was a “mulâtress”, a métis !
here it is
http://poesie.webnet.fr/lesgrandsclassiques/poemes/charles_baudelaire/le_lethe.html
Wonder what the G&Ds will make of Andrew Gilligan’s description of the Copenhagen summit as “1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar wedges”:
On a normal day, Majken Friss Jorgensen, managing director of Copenhagen’s biggest limousine company, says her firm has twelve vehicles on the road. During the “summit to save the world”, which opens here tomorrow, she will have 200.
“We thought they were not going to have many cars, due to it being a climate convention,” she says. “But it seems that somebody last week looked at the weather report.” . . .
The airport says it is expecting up to 140 extra private jets during the peak period alone, so far over its capacity that the planes will have to fly off to regional airports – or to Sweden – to park, returning to Copenhagen to pick up their VIP passengers. . . .
The top hotels – all fully booked at £650 a night – are readying their Climate Convention menus of (no doubt sustainable) scallops, foie gras and sculpted caviar wedges.
Your tax dollars at work.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6736517/Copenhagen-climate-summit-1200-limos-140-private-planes-and-caviar-wedges.html
3 Wretchard
It would be interesting to discover how many solid, beloved mamas were once racy and hairy.
Reminds me of Shakespeare’s Sonnet 130:
My mistress’ eyes are nothing like the sun;
Coral is far more red than her lips’ red;
If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun;
If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head.
I have seen roses damasked, red and white,
But no such roses see I in her cheeks;
And in some perfumes is there more delight
Than in the breath that from my mistress reeks.
I love to hear her speak, yet well I know
That music hath a far more pleasing sound;
I grant I never saw a goddess go;
My mistress when she walks treads on the ground.
And yet, by heaven, I think my love as rare
As any she belied with false compare.
De gustibus non est disputandum, I suppose.
Reindeer Games?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLf0DDt3Xiw
In Eric Hoffer’s book on “True Believers” he makes the comment that such G&D men are hollow souls bereft of any self knowing. For such men it is an absolute necessity that the world be divided between good and evil cleanly. Because they can’t handle it otherwise.
You see these people in all walks of life but most concentrate into dogmatically rigid positions of career and social circles. They love bureaucracy.
Col. Burns in MASH, General Ripper in Dr. Strangelove, Dr. Strangelove himself. Mathias in the Omega Man. All forms of the same G&D man.
These types don’t change or except change. They resist with all their might. Those drawn to them due to the inability of self control will only stop following when an event of such cataclysmic proportion happens that it disables the ability to rationalize away the reality.
I see a good bit of the G&D man in Obama. But he is not without humor. Holdren, Summers, Jones, Emmanuel brothers are G&D to the core.
Marie Claude said:
“Also, I don’t like the hypocrisy of the deny of it, prostitution is as old as the world, sometimes it saved family to break, or that some girls were/are raped!”
I once had the attitude that prostitution (because it is such an old and common vice) should be legalized and taxed. Then I moved to Niedersachsen, Germany where it’s legal and saw it in action.
Prostitution is very ugly. There’s nothing more pathetic than some young girl in front of the train station pleading with indifferent strangers to have sex with her because she’s hungry or suffering from drug withdrawal.
Prostitution can never be completely outlawed because it’s based upon basic human weakness. However prostitution should be “slightly” illegal. Prostitutes should be required to carry a license with their photograph/thumbprint, submit to monthly medical examinations and receive instruction about legal protection from pimps/drug pushers, contraception and venereal disease. A prostitute should be prosecuted if she engages in open solicitation. Brothels should be hidden and restricted to certain parts of town. The whole ugly business should be pushed just below the surface so it’s out-of-sight. In essence, prostitution is in the same bucket with graffiti, pan handling and drug pushing, i.e. it is a basic attack upon quality-of-life that pulls down the entire community.
Batman:
Well theres another: Im the meanest SOB in the valley.
Alternatively, Having been in the valley, and faced evil, the psalmist has no fear of it.
Ive run across these people, they are uniformly scary because of their inability to accept challenge. But seeing the number of G&D types around The One, you gotta waonder what they have tied themselve to and more importantly Why?
The zealots should take a lesson from the gory history of Savonarola of Florence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girolamo_Savonarola
He was the Dominican priest who came to power in Renaissance Florence as a reformer, instigated the book-burning Bonfire of the Vanities, outlawed free trade and making money, and prayed that God would spare the people in the End Times.
Florentines finally got tired of him and burned him, in the same spot as the Bonfire of the Vanities.
Global warming has become more and more like certain religions. If you ask questions, you are a “denier” (heretic). It has an apocalyptic viewpoint about the future, and evil or unthinking, misled humans are deliberately leading the masses astray. Drastic action must be taken to save the earth!
The true evildoers must be prosecuted and thrown in prison.
This is not science! A scientist welcomes constructive criticism, opens his research and data to inspection, and accepts changes in his hypothesis if they are shown to be needed. If a prediction made on the basis of his research does not come to pass, he goes back and re-examines his work. He does not attempt to fudge his statistics or hide his research data, which the people involved in “climategate” appear to have done.
Eggplant, olright, this has become an ugly occupation nowadays, because mafias hold most of the business. Also because of the mobs of tourists, this has become more alike a slave situation. But, I can’t find the equivalence of this uglyness in the 19th and or previous centuries when churches morals were better displayed though.
Now the girls that you saw around stations or “so was” weren’t registrated prostitutes, but rather occasional’s, for a bit of drug, and there isn’t a “deontology” valuable for them, they are in a parallel world.
Also, I have listened to interviews of “old” prostitutes that know all about the business, and these persons aren’t going to be cheated by anyone or any organisation, but they become rare
I wonder how much of that money spent on AGW research has found its way into private bank accounts?
How much has been spent on rent boys?
“What’s this inflatable goat doing in your closet?”
JFSanders031 said:
“Col. Burns in MASH, General Ripper in Dr. Strangelove, Dr. Strangelove himself. Mathias in the Omega Man. All forms of the same G&D man.”
My 12 year old son has discovered MASH and is going through the entire DVD set. I enjoyed MASH as it came out on television and sat through a couple DVD episodes with my son. The Major Frank Burns character was portrayed as an incompetent, hypocritical, dishonest and generally foul human being. He was also used as a thinly veiled attack against conservative patriotic Americans, i.e. if you’re a patriot and a conservative then you’re a vicious good-for-nothing scumbag. Essentially the Major Frank Burns character was a classical example of how the entertainment industry undermined our society through Gramscian agit-prop. Another example of this is the C. Montgomery Burns character in the “Simpsons”. The “Simpsons” have probably done more damage to the cause of nuclear power in America than any other form of Gramscian agit-prop.
15 Eggplant
Prostitution is very ugly.
It ain’t pretty in its academic version either. Gerard Vanderleun posted this excerpt from the Climategate files about Keith Briffa’s “out of money experience” [his wonderful phrase]:
From: Keith Briffa
To: rbradley@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: PAGES Open Science Meeting publication
Date: Fri Sep 18 12:57:16 1998
Cc: oldfield@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Ray
this is simply to say that I will get my paper to you as soon as I can. Frank knows that I am currently involved with writing a bid on behalf of the earth science community to try to extract [sic] 8 million pounds for a 5 year project from NERC to support Palaeo/Modelling validation work. I was not allowed to say no to this request and it is involving me in a lot of meetings and associated crap. I am now redrafting the proposal. Also I must write my application to NERC for a fellowship – if this fails Sarah and I are unemployed after December as things stand.
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/keith_briffa_climatechang.php
It’s almost comical to see the true believers trying to desperately to reset the clock and get back to where they were just a few short weeks ago.
They almost had the victory – they must have tasted it! A President and a Congress both dedicated to passing massive pro-AGW bills were elected; an international conference dedicated to AGW and planned for years was coming to fruition; control of all the journals and all of academia was complete, and the mainstream press was in full agreement with the mission. They had it! Just a little bit of execution down the stretch, and it was a done deal!
And now – all of a sudden, without warning, the entire edifice is getting blown apart. It isn’t just the CRUtape letters; the Copenhagen conference was flying apart long before they burst onto the scene, and when push came to shove, even a Pro-AGW Congress wasn’t willing to commit political suicide by imposing cap and trade. The purloined letters are just the coup de grace. Everything the warminsts had counted on is blowing up, but to look at their wrtings and their blogs, they still cannot believe it has happened and are desperately trying to act as if it hadn’t. They are trying to push that toothpaste back in the tube; how could everything have gone so wrong, so fast?
But the warmists hopes that the world will go back to where it was if they just pretend nothing has changed is about like Tiger hoping that Elin will forget that she picked up his cellphone and started calling the numbers in it.
It will take a while for reality to set in; for some, it never will.
but those who finally realize what has happened will sit and sadly sing:
Yesterday,
All my troubles seemed so far away,
Now it looks as though they’re here to stay,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.
Suddenly,
I’m not half the man I used to be,
There’s a shadow hanging over me,
Oh, yesterday came suddenly.
I can see why politicians don’t like having a high concentration of prostitutes around them. They don’t like the competition. The prostitutes tend to look much better and they don’t charge anywhere near as much money as a politician for their intimate favors.
On the other hand, a politician can turn “tricks” that no mere prostitute could ever hope to do.
Which leads to the question– which society is more moral–the one that bans prostitution or the one that bans politicians? And–can you ban one without banning the other? My head hurts from pondering the philosophical implications. I think I’ll go and have a beer now.
testing …
The tone of the E-mail is enlightening – it’s that of an angry superior dressing down a subordinate. While the author grudgingly admits that the reporter’s blog is his, clearly the author feels as though he is in a position to give the reporter orders, and demand motives from him.
Most of my family is in academia in one form or another, and the petty power struggles that go on there are baffling to an outsider. Maybe the root of “Climategate” is just in the simple, vulgar, and disturbingly prevalent desire of academicians to hoard what power they can and marginalize their opponents. It must be a heady feeling for a professor to give orders to the media and deliver policy dictates to a seemingly obedient governing class.
see next
Here’s another Hitler/bunker video demonstrating G&D pretty much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGdbHW9Nlds
Gor, mann and Jones get to stay in the bunker.
Oddly enough, I got it forwarded to me from a friend who spotted it on denier-denier’s facebook page.
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It must be a heady feeling for a professor to give orders to the media and deliver policy dictates to a seemingly obedient governing class.
It also likely represents payback for the humiliation of having to beg for money from government officials regarded as intellectual inferiors. Briffa’s e-mail reflects considerable resentment at having to “submit a bid . . . to extract [his wording] 8 million pounds” from the powers that be. The comment about being involved “in a lot of meetings and associated crap” doesn’t exactly indicate a high regard for the source of the funding.
Michael Totten has this re Uncle Joe’s “humour”.
“As if often the case with Stalin, the small and subtle details are somehow the most interesting and revealing. The guy was about as funny as Hitler (ie, not much) but there’s some real black comedy here.
“What will Comrade Bolshakov show us today?” Stalin would ask. His terrified cinema minister, Ivan Bolshakov, had to gauge Stalin’s mood. If it was good, Bolshakov could risk a new Soviet movie.
[...]
At a typical movie night with Stalin, when the showing was over, he would often ask: “Where have we seen that actor before?” He frequently asked actors who were playing him in films over for dinner: once he asked the best “Stalin”, “How will you play Stalin?” “As the people see him,” replied the clever actor. “The right answer,” said Stalin, presenting him with a bottle of brandy.
[...]
Bolshakov once authorised a movie for national release without asking Stalin, who was on holiday. At the next showing, Stalin asked him: “On whose authority did you release the movie?”
Bolshakov froze: “I consulted and decided.” “You consulted and decided, you decided and consulted,” intoned Stalin. “You decided.” He then left the room in a doomladen silence. Eventually, his head popped round the door: “You decided right.”
[…]
None the less, all the time, this homicidal movie-buff insisted on pretending that he was merely giving “advice” to his filmmakers. “You’re a free man,” he liked to say. “You don’t have to listen to me. This is just a suggestion from an ordinary viewer. Take it or leave it.” Of course, they always took it.”
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/000417.html
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Meanwhile, behold the grim/humourless socialist reaper of the left, aka The Guardian: Blowing the walls down.
“‘Fourteen days to seal history’s judgment on this generation’”
[Bannered newspaper logos]
“Tomorrow 56 newspapers in 45 countries take the unprecedented step of speaking with one voice through a common editorial. We do so because humanity faces a profound emergency.
Unless we combine to take decisive action, climate change will ravage our planet, and with it our prosperity and security. The dangers have been becoming apparent for a generation. Now the facts have started to speak: 11 of the past 14 years have been the warmest on record, the Arctic ice-cap is melting and last year’s inflamed oil and food prices provide a foretaste of future havoc. In scientific journals the question is no longer whether humans are to blame, but how little time we have got left to limit the damage. Yet so far the world’s response has been feeble and half-hearted.
Climate change has been caused over centuries, has consequences that will endure for all time and our prospects of taming it will be determined in the next 14 days. We call on the representatives of the 192 countries gathered in Copenhagen not to hesitate, not to fall into dispute, not to blame each other but to seize opportunity from the greatest modern failure of politics. This should not be a fight between the rich world and the poor world, or between east and west. Climate change affects everyone, and must be solved by everyone.
The science is complex but the facts are clear.” [...]
“This editorial will be published tomorrow by 56 newspapers around the world in 20 languages including Chinese, Arabic and Russian. The text was drafted by a Guardian team during more than a month of consultations with editors from more than 20 of the papers involved. Like the Guardian most of the newspapers have taken the unusual step of featuring the editorial on their front page.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/06/copenhagen-editorial
Tcobb,
politicians don’t like … the competition
Close but no cigar. It is the “scientists” in the AGW mix who have reduced Geophysics to the stature of Parapsychology. They combine the ethics of Peter Venkman with the social skills of Egon Spengler. Question them and they will say, “Back off man, I’m a scientist.”
By comparison the politicians practice “honest graft.” The politicians, money people and foundation administrators are the same moral giants who consider a tsunami as an occasion to fly in, book rooms in 5 star hotels, exhaust every working girl within 1,000 miles, and leave after complaining about the service when the bar runs out of Chivas. For them Copenhagen is just another stop in the Five Mile Circus. The technical prigs like the AGW scientist seethe at the mention of the prostitutes for a few reasons;
1) They are just hired help and not in the same social circle as the caviar and call girl set
2) They can’t afford professional talent and it puts their Volvos and Graduate assistants in a bad light.
3) They have a suspicion that even if they showed up with Big Al’s bankbook they still couldn’t get any.
Re: Stalin:
The USSR captured some USAAF B-29s that diverted to Soviet soil during bombing raids on Japan. The aircraft was far beyond Soviet technology in every respect and Stalin ordered it to be copied and mass produced.
Soviet engineers said to him “We can make it better.” To which Stalin replied that they would do no such thing; the Americans knew what they were doing when they built the B-29, and the USSR would copy it exactly.
One of the B-29’s had suffered flak damage over Japan on an earlier mission, a small hole in the vertical tail. The hole had been repaired by the usual method of gluing a piece of doped fabric over it. Mindful of Stalin’s orders to copy the airplane exactly, all Soviet TU-4 copies of the B-29 had a small hole in the vertical tail, covered with fabric, just like the original example.
As for G and D Men, I encountered a number of examples in the USAF, but the most memorable was a Phd who ran his own little empire at a university. He had managed to get a certain Senator to agree to provide $30M for the enhancement of said empire, the catch being that Congress directed that the USAF not only provide the funds but manage the effort. The good doctor’s letter to the Air Force program manager complaining that the PM’s job was to do exactly what he wanted in the exact way he wanted it done got passed around as an example of scientific elite lunacy – and given this was in the Pentagon, that is saying quite a lot.
He’s cut off too, the unreliable so and so…
Eh, he strikes me as without much humor. Perhaps I just missed the good ones though. When he starts speaking, my autotranslator kicks in and I hear his actions instead of his words. If he cracked a joke, I probably heard “add $12 Trillion to the deficit”. But I do think Obama is a G&D and that’s why the Joker poster resonated so well.
Obama is the perfect leader for them. He speaks in generalities so that his listener can fill in the details with whaterver happens to fit the listeners’ preconcieved notions. He also speaks of decisive action and aggressive change forced on others which appeals to them (here I disagree with JFSanders, I think the G&Ds crave forcing change on other people, making them pay for their sins as it were). All these wet blankets think Obama is going to let them finally make things right with the world.
Hayward said:
Read much Isaiah? Revelation? Aint none of that funny. These people are the Word and they are here to save us all.
maz2,
The dramatization of that amazing story is The Inner Circle (1991) with Tom Hulce starring as Ivan Sanshin the projectionist, directed by Andrei Konchalovsky. Every year I used it to teach my students what Stalinism was like. For reasons that I can not fathom it is not available on DVD. The only clips on Youtube have someone’s artistic expression replacing the soundtrack.
Meanwhile, Australia’s very own G&D man show’s his mettle: Desperately Seeking Obama
You gotta be pretty gullible to fly commercial and allow yourself to be guilt-tripped about your energy use by people who fly around in private jets.
thier is something inherent in fanaticism that no matter the lofty goals or ideals it allways morphs into the need to kill and control others absolutely.
How is it possible for a group of smart people …?
Here is my fearless prediction. Traditional Physicists, Biologists and Agronomists will distance themselves from the Hot Air institutes. This will be done with a soft hand on the shoulder and a gentle indication that “Climate Science” is a refuge for the weak that was sucking money away from real science anyway. Faculty in traditional departments often approach the funding available from new departmental structures with all the badly concealed contempt of a Minister soliciting a contribution from a brothel. Rivalries run deep, Economists still question the integrity of Sociologists. One once told me they had “the most methods and the fewest results.” Anthropology, like Climatology, is suspect because it crosses so many boundaries that it is hard to pin down. That makes it harder for an outsider to judge the integrity of research. Tight financial times mean that every department is fighting to survive and the people in the old units will move to shut down newer less reputable committees, if the government cash stops flowing.
JMH“here I disagree with JFSanders, I think the G&Ds crave forcing change on other people, making them pay for their sins as it were.”
Actually I agree with you but didn’t complete my statement clearly and for that I apologize. They hate change for themselves. They believe they have it exactly right and it is everyone else who has to capitulate and conform.
LOTM the IMDb video site has a trailer that is not adulterated.
http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2911764761/
#31 LOTM
You may be right for the most part, but I truly, truly disagree with you when you place climatologists on the same level with parapsychologists. Its an insult to parapsychologists everywhere. What will you being doing next? Comparing them to witch doctors? If you do so be sure to have protective talismans about you at all times. A lot of witch doctors have rather nasty and volatile tempers.
Lifeofthemind @ 39
Your points about fighting for diminishing research dollars are valid.
However, governments will shift funding to “climate science” because their “results” justify more government regulation and taxation.
Here’s a couple of english translations of Le Léthé
A quick glance yields the impression that it ain’t about happy love. An example rather of two ticks an no dog.
There was a time when treating the New York Times with that level of contempt was dangerous. It will be interesting to see if the Grey Lady has any teeth left.
Lady Mitford, a frequent guest and hostess of Adolf Hitler, said the what she remembered most about him was sense of humour and wittiness.
maz2 at 30 said:
“Meanwhile, behold the grim/humourless socialist reaper of the left, aka The Guardian: Blowing the walls down.”
[refer to link in maz2 #30]
Take a look at the comments section in the linked Guardian article. I did a quick running count and it appears about 25% of the comments were deleted by the moderator. Looks like a significant fraction of the Guardian’s readers are not buying into the story line. Perhaps(?) the readers are pointing out that the AGW data was fraudulent.
JFSanders031,
Thank you, fixed on my blog. Regret that it won’t embed.
Tcobb,
Anybody crazy enough to pick a fight with a Witch Doctor should go see a Headshrinker.
Langley,
governments will shift funding to “climate science” because their “results” justify more government
I agree. Many of us are assuming that the word about the misconduct associated with AGW is getting out and that this train will be derailed. That is even less proven then the impact of Cheryl Crowe’s sanitary habits on the habitability of Los Angeles. While some signs are hopeful, such as a lowered profile by Al Gore and the invocation of academic Peer review committees who will generate much natural gas in the whitewashing process, the vested interests are powerful and the stakes are large. It is possible that in a few weeks we will be in a world in which a knock on the door could mean the Health Inspector and the Global Justice and Equity Energy Compliance Inspector have arrived to determine if you are a waste of Carbon.
Robert Reis,
I hereby give notice and copyright that I have a brilliant idea for a play. The year is 1937, the place is Geneva and at a cocktail party we meet the six fabulous Mitford sisters from England and the three fabulous Soong sisters from China. This should generate NEA grants activity and may even get produced, somewhere, sometime, on cable. Musicals, an Opera at least as interesting as the one about Oppenhiemer at Alamagordo, and a video game could follow. The visions are so exciting I am now to tired to write.
To be blogged under the title “Dystopias Past and Future.”
LOTM @ 35
According to IMDB “The Inner Circle” is up 105% in popularity this week. No doubt because of your mention of it in this forum!
LOTM:
I predict that opportunistic empire builders on college campuses (with programs such as “Earth System Science”) will move against atmospheric alarmists so they will get a bigger share of government funding.
I can see why politicians don’t like having a high concentration of prostitutes around them. They don’t like the competition.
What are you talking about? The sex trade is quite strong in Washington DC, and the oldest profession has been there for nearly its entire history of existence. American politicians have historically been clients of the vice dens of Washington DC. (Don’t think they don’t exist now…)
Although there are many things politicians and prostitutes have in common, there are a few key differences. Experienced call girls screen their clients, and they will show the door to a rude client. If only more of our politicians would rise to the level of call girls by screening their political contributors and refusing money from rude or disreputable donors, our political culture would be much improved.
G&D, the Guiless and the damned?
Two reasons for having no sense of humor in my experience are first not having the mental capacity due to inexperience to see the fun in it, and second not having a personality other than the one allowed by ones peculiar cult.
I have witnessed such behaviors at most citizen er customer service counters in local government. That and when asking most congressional aides for an explanation.
Le Lethe, one of the rivers of Hades a drink from which allows one to experience complete forgetfulness. A good suggestion for the writers of the climate emails and a successful tactic for use in court as demonstrated by Hillary and cattle futures or was that Hillary and the billing for services. “I don’t recall”.
Prostitution can only promise a temporary amnesia, vitamin H (haldol) a more or less permanent version of a similar condition but for sure fire results actual surgical invasion is the way to go. Of course Climatologists will not be able to work at any academic institution once taking that path. The drool is offsetting.
Oh well, when it rains, it pours.
–Wadeusaf
well, this is all part of the post-scientific scientific method that is being used.
or as a commenter on Hayward’s blog called it the “post-modern scientific method”. hee hee!
Jason, Postmodernism already has its “science.” It goes by the name of “Post-Normal” Science, which Wretchard headlined twice, here and here, along with his additional commentary in with the comments.
Essentially, Post-Normal science reveals only what its members believe need to be revealed, what the public is ready to hear. So it one may not find it unusual that its leading proponent, Mike Hulme of the U of East Anglia, and the publisher of the Post-Normal Times: Putting Science Into Context (apparently now in hiatus) was one of the first to offer excuses for what was revealed by the emails, in the WSJ December 2 — where he admitted that his emails were among the ones purloined.
Interesting times.
Jason @52, re the Post Modern scientific method–
In Jr. High school er, middle school, we would have referred to it as “copping a feel(ing)”.
Of course that is totally Politically Incorrect today.
–Wadeusaf
Marie Claude @ 1:
And you know this how? :->
It seems to me we have a surfeit of G & D men in the world these days.
Jason @52, re the Post Modern scientific method–and prostitution.
In Jr. High school er, middle school, we would have referred to it as “copping a feel(ing)”.
Of course that is totally Politically Incorrect today.
–Wadeusaf
WordPress has my post at position 53 “awaiting moderation.” It delays when more than one link is present — I had five.
I do not know if it has turned up in emails yet, so here is the text without any links.
Let’s see if the first of the “here” links to Wretchard’s work can make it without delay: http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/post-normal-science-as-proof-for-global.html
MASH, the movie, was brilliant. Like Joseph Heller’s Catch 22 it caught the way that soldiers, in absurd and horrifying situations, found solace in macabre humor. MASH, the TV series, was nauseating.
Marie, the prostitute story is amusing, and yes they are found most everywhere, but the story is “newsworthy” because some the girls (and guys) are going to entertain the delegates for free. Wonder if the girls will get tipped in “Carbon Credits”?
Yes the AGW folk are certainly humorless. Perhaps as a public service we could write some jokes for them. Here is my late night feble attempt:
East Anglia AGW Researcher #1: “Say, Phil, do you know AGW is a Scam?”
East Anglia AGW Researcher #2: “No, Kevin, I dont. But hum a few bars and I’ll fake it”
Grim, Determined, Obsessed with Death:
Student Says He Warned School Before Stabbing
On Sunday, Mr. Zahrani’s roommates — who had lived with him for about three weeks in a three-bedroom apartment in downtown Binghamton — recounted how the suspect, who spoke of financial problems, often mentioned death and said he was being persecuted because he was Muslim.
“I said he was acting oddly, like a terrorist,” said one of the roommates, Souleymane Sakho, a graduate student from Senegal. “When I informed them, it was for them to understand that the guy was violent or he may be violent.”
Mr. Sakho said that he told his academic adviser who is overseeing his dissertation about Mr. Zahrani, and that the adviser referred him to the school’s counseling center. Mr. Sakho said that the head of the counseling center told him to avoid interaction with Mr. Zahrani and said he should look to move out of the apartment.
About 10 days ago, the police were called to the three-bedroom apartment, according to Mr. Sakho. He said he was sick of Mr. Zahrani’s constantly asking him if he was afraid of death and told him to stop.
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Mr. Sakho said the last time he saw Mr. Zahrani was around 1 a.m. on Friday, when Mr. Zahrani woke him up and once again asked him if he was afraid of dying. Mr. Sakho said he did not respond to Mr. Zahrani and went back to sleep.
Wrt the “solid mamas” someone (possibly Carr?) once wrote that “Passion is a reliable old workhorse. Nine times out of ten it will pull a steady cart.”
As a Climatologist with Al Gore Institute of Climatology and Grant Preparation I applaud the idea of free prostitutes. But, I have some reservations. Just as every Climatologist must be paid – every prostitute must also be paid (or extract the money from someone).
For example, last year at Copenhagen, I was attending a seminar on graphs, hockey sticks, and personal services. I was assured that my sex worker would do the job for free. Yet, when I got the hotel bill it 1860 euros per night. There was some obscure “service charge” at the bottom of 1100 euros. I demanded to know the nature of the service fee. But, the guy just beat the bush and would not give me a straight answer, so to speak.
Hence, I personally called Al Gore himself. He said not to worry. It would be covered by additional “grant” money. But, I was so angry that I refused to pay the fee.
I walked out to my limousine only to find the doors locked and two individuals in the front seat. No matter how much I banged my fist on the black tinted class the doors would not open. My luggage was in the trunk.
I then immediately called Al Gore. He said the whole free prostitute deal was a scam – just like global warming. Further, he said that I should pay fee or there could be some negative publicity in the form of hidden video cameras in the hotel room. Not a good thing.
I realized that I had been shafted – given a wedgie – not made of caviar. But, I need to get to my private jet and my limousine contained my luggage. I begrudging paid the 1100 euro fee to the front desk.
Bingo, the white gloved limo driver was holding the door open for me and saying he could get me to the airport in 20 minuets. Everything has a cost. So, I figured that I would just have to increase my next Grant proposal to recoup the costs. The taxpayer will never know.
The lesson is never trust a Trojan condom bearing a blank price tag. Never expect anything for free. And, always have fake delegate passes printed up to get extra services.
Wretchard,
You speak of the “destined pairing.” Kipling beat you to the punch.
The Sergeant’s Weddin’
‘E was warned agin’ ‘er –
That’s what made ‘im look;
She was warned agin’ ‘im –
That is why she took.
‘Wouldn’t ‘ear no reason,
‘Went an’ done it blind;
We know all about ‘em,
They’ve got all to find!
Cheer for the Sergeant’s weddin’ –
Give ‘em one cheer more!
Grey gun-’orses in the lando,
An’ a rogue is married to a whore.
What’s the use o’ tellin’
‘Arf the lot she’s been?
‘E’s a bloomin’ robber,
An’ ‘e keeps canteen.
‘Ow did ‘e get ‘is buggy?
Gawd, you needn’t ask!
‘Made ‘is forty gallon
Out of every cask!
Watch ‘im, with ‘is ‘air cut,
Count us filin’ by –
Won’t the Colonel praise ‘is
Pop — u — lar — i — ty!
We ‘ave scores to settle –
Scores for more than beer;
She’s the girl to pay ‘em –
That is why we’re ‘ere!
See the chaplain thinkin’?
See the women smile?
Twig the married winkin’
As they take the aisle?
Keep your side-arms quiet,
Dressin’ by the Band.
Ho! You ‘oly beggars,
Cough be’ind your ‘and!
Now it’s done an’ over,
‘Ear the organ squeak,
“‘Voice that breathed o’er Eden” –
Ain’t she got the cheek!
White an’ laylock ribbons,
Think yourself so fine!
I’d pray Gawd to take yer
‘Fore I made yer mine!
Escort to the kerridge,
Wish ‘im luck, the brute!
Chuck the slippers after –
[Pity 'tain't a boot!]
Bowin’ like a lady,
Blushin’ like a lad –
‘Oo would say to see ‘em
Both is rotten bad?
Cheer for the Sergeant’s weddin’ –
Give ‘em one cheer more!
Grey gun-’orses in the lando,
An’ a rogue is married to, etc.
RagnarD
Berlusconi’s aventures with call girls is in all our news papers here.
I hold the details from persons who worked for him (also from medias interviews)
Charles, of course, the “Lethé” isn’t about happy love, but about forgetting your “spleen” for a while, but though it’s about “humanity” too, Baudelaire doesn’t have a moral judgement, but some true affection for a woman that is usely seen as the “scum” of a society.
He transposes his feelings into an aesthetic expression, which is his goal, and his life earning
Pascal, It appears my tasteless double post was confused with your #53 and then eaten by wordpress.
I was trying to get the thing to edit mode. My apologies, but I think this might help the folks that oversee the technicals.
-Wadeusaf
I like the authors first statement “With the scientific comsensus more or less settled” He is right and therein lies the problem.
close enough to spend trillions of $
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/weekinreview/06zeller.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
Another quote from same author. “If scientific predictions are true…..” that’s a big IF.
Link for last quote
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/science/earth/08climate.html
“*Socialism is in fact nothing but the religion of the Stomach.”
…-
“Copenhagen Offers Climate Warriors $470 Menu, 24-Carat Desserts
As eco-warriors crowd through Copenhagen urging restraint, a city famed for Michelin-starred restaurants with $470 menus and desserts covered in gold leaf may test their resolve.
The United Nations Climate Change Conference starts today; 15,000 delegates will be dining and deal-making in the Danish capital.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aKOIEXvQP1w8
*GUSTAVE LE BON. HIS INFLUENCE. Socialism is in fact nothing but the religion of the Stomach. …
http://www.fulltable.com/crowd/07.htm
Would it be possible to use personal carbon credits for a Danish prostitute? What would I get for turning half the lights in the house off for an hour? Or better yet, for promising not to turn all the lights on in the middle of the night?
“My room was freezing but I didn’t dare call for more heat and create CO2 pollution, so I was forced I tell you, forced to spend the night with that woman to stay warm.”
w/3; from the poet’s site: But Betjeman was not only a poet. Through his broadcasting and journalism he opened people’s eyes to the value of the buildings and landscape around them and became Britain’s grand champion of its heritage. And –he died in 1984.
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W closes: We used to say that it wasn’t “the People” that the G & D served but something else. And maybe it isn’t nature, soft grass and moonlight that the environmental G & D’s hearken to, but something else.
Again, the synchron Nyquist Behind Global Warming –gets into the G-est and D-est of G&D men, Al Gore. how can the comic and the destructive be so amalgamated?
Good news for the motley crew in Copenhagen
There will be prostitutes on call at the summit.
Bad news:
They look like Al Gore in drag, talk like Ariana Huffington, smell like someone who took Sheryl Crow’s advice and Tiger Woods already has them booked for the week.
Physicists Ask American Physical Society to Rescind Its Statement on Global Warming Because It Was Based on “Cheat[ing]” and “Corrupted” Work
Wowsers
But the Utopians are all Call Girls. They offer their services — “we will give you something to take your minds off your real problems” — and at the same time we, unlike those messy prostitutes, will help you feel virtuous.
The working girls (and boys) of Copenhagen have a better sense of humor than the Climate Call Girls.
Good morning BC. It’s 07 DEC here and I don’t see a post regarding it. I am aware that there are many posters here who hail from shores distant to my own yet I want to express my eternal gratitude to my beloved military who always go above and beyond. Do any of you fine folks have any rememberances regarding Pearl Harbor? God bless the dead. God bless the USA.
I for got that “spleen” has a different meaning for non french speaking people
The term “spleen” is a qualification that goes with Baudelaire poetry, “spleen baudelairien”.
now the explanation from wikipedia :
Etymology and cultural views
The word spleen comes from the Greek σπλήν, and is the idiomatic equivalent of the heart in English, i.e. to be good-spleened (εὔσπλαγχνος) means to be good-hearted or compassionate.
In French, “splénétique” refers to a state of pensive sadness or melancholy. It has been popularized by the poet Charles Baudelaire (1821–1867) but was already used before in particular to the Romantic literature (18th century). The word for the organ is “la rate.”
The connection between spleen (the organ) and melancholy (the temperament) comes from the humoral medicine of the ancient Greeks. One of the humours (body fluid) was the black bile, secreted by the spleen organ and associated with melancholy. In contrast, the Talmud (tractate Berachoth 61b) refers to the spleen as the organ of laughter while possibly suggesting a link with the humoral view of the organ.
In the eighteenth- and nineteenth-century England, women in bad humour were said to be afflicted by the spleen, or the vapours of the spleen. In modern English, “to vent one’s spleen” means to vent one’s anger, e.g. by shouting, and can be applied to both males and females. Similarly, the English term “splenetic” is used to describe a person in a foul mood.
Amen, Ashen, amen.
***
Post-Normal Science is beginning to scare the bejeebus out of more and more folks. This one sees the Garden of Eden as among other things the place where the Serpent abides. Read only if you dare (h/t Luther):
http://i-squared.blogspot.com/2009/12/green-snake-in-grass.html
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…and a word on directly-related practical matters.
Re: G&D
In these scientists’ minds, they are truly courageous. These brave souls SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER, against government and big corporations. Even a mild cautionary reprove from Bush admin is viewed (and confirmed) as oppression.
There is nothing to laugh at at their missions. Let’s face it, if you are ‘secrete agents’ going against the BIG GUY, facing possible untold torture or even death, you wouldn’t find any merriment either, hence G&D.
The distrust of wit is the beginning of tyranny–Edward Abbey
Richard Lindzen Deconstructing AGW Hysteria
12. PA Cat:
3 Wretchard
It would be interesting to discover how many solid, beloved mamas were once racy and hairy.
Reminds me of Shakespeare’s Sonnet 130:
My mistress’ eyes are nothing like the sun;
Coral is far more red than her lips’ red;
If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun;
If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head.
I remember the sonnet; thanks for posting it; we have it included in one of our site’s lesson plans (I’m the webmaster for an educational resource site). It’s also a reminder that ‘Will’ had a serious sense of humor, and would have made a lousy G&D man. Oh, it’s also fun to point out that he lived and wrote at the dawn of the Little Ice Age.
75. Batman:
But the Utopians are all Call Girls. They offer their services — “we will give you something to take your minds off your real problems” — and at the same time we, unlike those messy prostitutes, will help you feel virtuous.
The working girls (and boys) of Copenhagen have a better sense of humor than the Climate Call Girls.
Utopians and statists remind me of the prostitutes’ bosses:
They would have us go out and work, and then take most of our money, thus making us dependent on them. They also addict us to ‘assistance programs’ and ‘subsidies’ funded with money we earned. I also noted that like the whores’ bosses, the enlightened progressives love big, flashy cars and private jets, and othre forms of ostentation — again, paid for with our earnings.
And of course, they enjoy screwing us at their whim without just compensation in return.
Thanks for that link Buddy!
Did you notice that Katabasis develops his post parallel to my opinion of the Eden story?
The serpent trolled for unbridled ego; found it. We gave in; we lost paradise.
That pattern has repeated throughout history from Eden to Tiger Woods.
Anyway, Katabasis — “They don’t just threaten the end of our economies, or freedom, or even the end of science. They promise the end of reason itself” — arrives at the same conclusion as I did in Defend Your Right to Exist.
The individual not only needs to resist the forces of conformity so that he may think more clearly for his own interests. He must encourage his neighbors to do the same.
Heed your own senses!
Y O U A R E M A N!
(Why do we need to be reminded? Who runs our teaching colleges?)
H-I-L-A-R-I-O-U-S,
By going the EPA regulation route to regulate CO2, the administration will bring Climategate and all of the sham science right into the courts where all of the AGW dirty laundry will be admissible evidence. Game-Set-Match. Those of us who have seen through this whole left/green bring-socialism back from the dead scam have won. Drinks all around!
Note: On last thread I slapped a Kremlin Troll for rubbishing Anne Applebaum, on the day they tried to assassinate her. This is a war and we need to act accordingly.
Yes, ultimately the goal for these G&D Watermelons must be population control. After CO2 is recognized worldwide as a harmful pollutant and emissions capped, attempts to implement aggressive birth control will be made. We just can not have the world “punished with” C02 emitting babies….
LotM/86; …but we already DID ‘act accordingly’ –we surrendered in November of last year and installed an old-fashioned soviet puppet gov’t –in Washington DC.
“better red than think”
Soon, LotM, you and other running dogs like you shall be branded: “Revanchist!”
Then the fun starts!
87. joe buzz:
Yes, ultimately the goal for these G&D Watermelons must be population control. After CO2 is recognized worldwide as a harmful pollutant and emissions capped, attempts to implement aggressive birth control will be made. We just can not have the world “punished with” C02 emitting babies….
THE LIZARD KING
Dr. Erik Planka, the world’s top expert on lizards, made a speech a couple of years ago where he suggested eliminating 90% of the world’s human population using Ebola:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49555
He represents an extreme, and, undoubtedly would claim he was joking if confronted with it. Still, this sentiment does lurk under the surface for the utilitarian branch of “The Chosen,” and the utilitarian branch is in the ascendancy now.
“ONLY ESSENTIAL WORKERS THROUGH THIS GATE! EVERYONE ELSE, TO THE SHOWERS!”
Comments 76 and 78 from Buddy and Ashen:
A thought occurred to me today. There will be rememberences and memorials at Pearl Harbor and other places to commemorate the sneak attack, but…
Will there also be ceremonies in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to commemorate The Big Freakin’ Mistake?
At the 50th anniversary of 7 Dec 41, there was an intertesting comment by a US reporter in Japan. He said that the Pearl Harbor attack is regarded there as simply another event in a war, (where “all’s fair”) while the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are considered to be horrific disasters – and no connection is drawn between the two.
If you went to the Mayor of Hiroshima today and suggested he might make a statement of regret about the Pearl Harbor attack and what it led to, I strongly suspect he would respond that you were an insensitve boor to even suggest that, that you could not compare a military operation with a national trajedy.
And that is a key feature of a G&D Man. They are only G&D about very selective things.
As Larry Miller put it: “When I see a bumper sticker that says ‘No More Hiroshimas’ I want one that says ‘You First! No More Pearl Harbors!’”
joe buzz/87
Population control is not a goal in itself. It is one of the requirement for a “proper” stratification of the society–and the retention of power, which is the ultimate goal. Actually, population control is a bit of narrative to making the whole enterprise somewhat palatable and reasonably sounding–population reduction would be a better term.
The idea behind the population reduction is that with a population scaled down to “sustainable” levels, a reduction of occurrences of random attractors and bifurcation of random societal processes would be attained as well. The sustainability does not refer, in the minds of the architects, some kind of bucolic ideal (though narrated in those terms for general consumption), but it is related directly to a power distribution and an optimal stratification where control can be exercised directly and with minimum effort, alleviating a need for excessive repressive structures.
The general consensus amongst proponents of the population reduction is that the “sustainability” parameter is about 500 million. It presumes an elite (a ruling class) about 10 million strong, and the remaining 490 million would be assigned tasks related to the support of the enlightened cream of mankind. So, one enlightened one would have about 49 heroes of socialist work contingent to cater to all his or her needs.
Don Rodrigo,
Yea, that’s the scope of it. Not sure what the showers are supposed to be, probably a binary bio agent.
13th Warrior Lo there do I see my father
Whereas comment 53 may not show until after this thread closes, and I think that this thread could use the background tied together regarding our discussions on PNS back in 2007, I think I have a reasonable alternative. It is also coincides with Wretchard’s wishes that we link what we do here on our own blogs.
So here is my attempt at solving the recurring problem of a post containing many links. Security demands at a large and freely accessed public site like this one means that Too Many Links Are Too Taxing On Moderators.
That links to a repeat of what I posted at Dec 7, 2009 – 12:10 am, but with all links intact.
For those here who dare link to their own sites, this will clearly lessen the burden on our host’s moderators.
WadeUSAF at 65 (and I’m hoping it will eventually be 66):
Thanks, but I don’t think your double post had anything to do with my 53 not showing up. It is still present on my version, but contains the message “your comment is awaiting moderation.”
(P.S.: You were right in your surmise to me over a year ago. Sheppard Fairey’s “Obey” studio is less than a quarter mile from my home.)
twoby,JB/92,87; –the Helot/Spartan ratio is given to be about 7:1. Figure only about 20% of the Spartans were warriors, this gets toward about that same ratio.
ten million is a pretty fiendish number –just about right to subvert the global command echelon.
“Hey, if i throw in with ‘em early enough, I can be one OF ‘em!”
Reading CS Lewis I came accross this quote that seemed so apropos “The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers and ruled alike. Subjectivism about values is eternally incompatible with democracy. We and our rulers are of one kind only so long as we are subject to one law. But if there is no Law of Nature, the ethos of any society is the creation of its rulers, educators and conditioners; and every creator stands above and outside his own creation.” —C.S. Lewis
http://www.youphil.com/en/node/1253
funny, Copenhagen, the summit of the prostitution
is related here too (in french)
85. Lord Acton
For a lot of laughs (and inspiration) go read the commentators at Ace’s Place about the EPA’s pending decision.
Funny thing about Ace’s. Very influential and people active in politics (and industry) are among the readers of his blog. As crass and lowbrow as his blog has been described (and can be at times), you wouldn’t know that.
There are some really really interesting comments today. The eco-terrorists and commies that engineered this decision to push regulations (so as to blackmail Congress) had better take serious note.
They are at the line where they will force peaceful people to consider not so peaceful options.
What a fitting day to announce this.
Papa Ray
P.S. #62 Peaches left this graphic in a link. Look at it for a perspective on “greenhouse” gasses.
the Katabasis piece quotes (just below the illo from Wizard of Oz, LOL) –by proxy –one Richard Fernandez on the topic of PNS.
And elswhere points out an Oxford prof, Jerome Ravetz (England as the epicenter of Climategate is somewhere else in the Katabasis manifesto said to be a pointed result of extensive 1980s KGB infiltration), as an influential early advocate of PNL. IOW, it’s a feature, not a bug! Katabasis quotes Mr. Ravetz:
“The theory of Post-Normal Science…needs to be renewed and enriched…The time is not ripe for a modification of PNS, and so the best move forward is to raise the issue of Sustainability. For that I sketch a theory of complex systems, with special attention to pathologies and failures. That provides the foundation for a use of ‘contradiction’ as a problem incapable of resolution in its own terms, and also of ‘characteristic contradiction’ that drives a system to a crisis. With those materials it is possible to state the characteristic contradiction of our modern industrial civilisation, and provide a diagram with heuristic power.”
Katabasis then quotes the blogger who helped inspire his essay, BuyTheTruth:
Heuristic power is the power to explain ‘factual novelties’. ‘Contradiction’ and ‘characteristic contradiction’ are Marxist speak. Heard about ’sustainability’ recently? You bet! Ravetz gives the Greens the tools they need to do their dirty work. He gives them the philosophical blueprint to attack modern industrial civilization. Now, let’s be clear: post-normal science is one of the manipulative arts that Machiavelli would have been proud of.”
Ahh, “sustainability” –who on earth could EVER be against it? But as if anyone knows what in the future it may BE!
Oh, the dirty, language stealin’ bastards. A hundred thousand years of extreme dedicated human effort to achieve “a language” –and almost instantly the perverters –the flying monkeys from the palace of the wicked witch –leap from the rafters onto the backs of the speakers of it.
The theory of Post Normal Science! Good grief.
The “warmers” are zealots and are not stopping or even slowing down. They continue to move forward in Copenhagen with the Messiah’s plan. We have to stall them until the elections next fall…
100% agreement then!
Wow, we have a consensus, it’s settled science. Can we apply for a grant?
Regarding the issue of population control, I’m still somewhat puzzled about that. I firmly beleive that the monder Left, which includes the eco-doomsayers, believe in a neo-feudal society, with them as the nobility. They need to reduce our use of various resources to create/expand the privliges of nobility. “What are all these serfs doing on this airplane with me anyway? Reminds me of last February at Aspen, the slopes were positively crawling with State University graduates. If I wanted to be around those people, I’d have gone to Idaho…”
Anywho, the confusion is that nobility does poorly when the serf population dwindles. With fewer numbers, serf labor becomes more precious, and serfs gain power. In part, the begining of the end for feudal Europe was the Black Death that culled the serfs so badly.
Of course, the neo-lords could just be idiots. Occams Razor and all that, plus the evidence that pretty much every major social engineering project they’ve ever embarked on has been a spectacular failure.
There is the question: if they’re such idiots, why are they running things? To which the answer is “time and energy.” They’ve devoted their time and energy to taking over bureaucracies while the productive middle class have focused on being productive. Sigh. That stupid show “Survivor” is a lot more realistic than I’d like to admit.
JMH/103; –that feudalism parallel is pretty nifty as a pointer to that certain mindset. Maybe when our superiors regard it, they’re focusing not on the Black Death’s raising up of the value of labor against capital, but on the Renaissance, which too flowed from the Black Death, and had some peculiar characteristics (from the wiki):
There is a general, but not unchallenged, consensus that the Renaissance began in Florence, Tuscany in the 14th century.[4] Various theories have been proposed to account for its origins and characteristics, focusing on a variety of factors including the social and civic peculiarities of Florence at the time; its political structure; the patronage of its dominant family, the Medici;[5] and the migration of Greek scholars and texts to Italy following the Fall of Constantinople at the hands of the Ottoman Turks.[6][7][8]
Ahhh, yes, the Mafia, with their magical capital returns on investment, all the power and none of the duty of leadership, not the flop-sweating King but the smiling kingmaker back in his Florentine palace, surrounded by the finest artists and thinkers of the age, retainers all, at their beck and call.
Oops, did i say ‘Mafia’? I meant ‘Medici’, silly me.
“Lady Mitford, a frequent guest and hostess of Adolf Hitler, said the what she remembered most about him was sense of humour and wittiness.”
Remember it is “German” humor which is more droll and serious than English humour and a sort of wittiness that you’d better understand if you were Übermensch. I Googled “German comedian” and all I got was this:
Your search – German comedian – did not match any documents.
Suggestions:
• Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
• Try different keywords.
• Try more general keywords.
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“Ahh, “sustainability”…” In other words, sure it’s working now but it is going to break and be unfixable in the future if we don’t fix not broken now. Brilliant.
“The Environmental Protection Agency has concluded greenhouse gases are endangering people’s health and must be regulated, signaling that the Obama administration is prepared to contain global warming without congressional action if necessary.”
God I hope this is a step too far. That finally the unrepresentative ‘governmentation’ be stopped.
I don’t know abou’ the rest o ye, but meself i’m gittin’ mightily, MIGHTILY, sick o’ these people. One sneering prick just looked at me from the tv screen and said, in defense of the Climategate perps:
“In the end, everyone knows, the face of our planet is changing.”
Oh, jeezis, i want to throttle the sonuvabitch.
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VDH: How strange: This was to be our new age of science; instead, we are getting alchemy, the inquisition, and the reign of the superstitious.
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‘sustainability’: That which is not broken now can be prevented from breaking in the future ONLY by going ahead and breaking it now.
There is the question: if they’re such idiots, why are they running things? To which the answer is “time and energy.” They’ve devoted their time and energy to taking over bureaucracies while the productive middle class have focused on being productive.
Exactly. It also helps when you don’t have to worry about making a living because your parents did the same damn thing. Its amazing how many politicians are the descendants of politicians, and the longer the line, the worse they tend to be. Look at the Kennedys. Look at Al Gore. We have a political class that more and more consists of little dynasties of people who have never done anything in their lives other than being politicians except for brief stints in “cover” jobs that are provided to them because of their family/political connections.
Which Kennedy was it that had a job with the District Attorney’s office in Boston even before he had passed the Bar Exam (it was his third try, he had failed twice before)?
But it all goes in cycles. When are times are good people don’t want to be bothered by politics or politicians. They have better things to do. I don’t blame them. But at this point the weasels see an unguarded hen house, and they sneak in, and cause general ruin. Then, people become interested. It happened with Jimmy Carter. It seems to be happening again.
Epa, Epa, EPAAAAAHHH!
Dear Big Brother,
I don’t want to work no mo ‘cuz y’all are insane. I am going to move my furniture outside and move indoors to be away. Will the EPA cook my eggs? I want them to. I like eggths.
Papa Ray@ 100
I’m thoroughly disgusted by the EPA. My question is how do we go about abolishing it? I’m not a lawyer or warrior or engineer. I’m a nurse. Imnot afraid to fight but I don’t have any guns or enough money to buy one. I’m not sure how the cops here would react were martial law be declared. Do any of you people know how we can start organizing for this? Are any active duty higher ups posting to this site? It’s getting close to crunch time I think. Even when Clinton was in office did I hear this much talk of open revolt. Honestly, it’s reassuring to me that I’m not gonna be alone on the front line. Please respond …—…
Ashen, try joining the local VFW as an auxiliary or friend of the organization. you will find kindred spirits and associations there.
EPA Finding Gives It Effective Control of the Economy
National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS)
On the top right, read EPA revised process…
Any imagined crisis equals unlimited opportunity it appears and they know how to create them.
And it appears that Lisa thinks way too much of herself and her new powers.
Papa Ray
take a quick glance at the 111 new federal programs in the healthcare bill (go ahead –see the onrushing wall of text shove your stomach through the floorboards):
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Papa Ray, Sen Jim Inhofe (R-Oklahoma) was on the tv Fox news a few minutes ago swearing up and down that Lisa Jackson had told him specifically that ‘all of the information EPA used to make the ruling came directly from the IPCC’.
The point is still not being made on tv that the East Anglia facility is not –as the Climategate minimizers try to imply –just another climate science research facility, but is in fact the sole appointed repository of the full product of the IPCC. The IPCC, which was begun by Maurice Strong expressly to politicize the earth sciences.
Annoy Mouse,
There is a tradition of German comedy which was close to the Jewish comedy most of us know from the vaudeville and movie era. Just look up the wiki on Smith and Dale’s Dr Kronkheit. Is it a surprise they are similar? Not to me. You always hate the one who knows you so well they can get your jokes. That is why Civil wars are the worst and in some ways Germany’s War against the Jews was a civil war.
Now Swedish comedians are on a whole nother level. The news has been buried that a team of crack Svenksa Entertainers were headed for Iraq just before support for al-Qaeda collapsed. Just the rumor that they were going to be exposed to either the corruption of the Bikini Team or a two hour session with Lugubrious Lars the Knock Knock King proved more effective than waterboarding.
To be blogged under the title “Doctor Doctor!!”
Gore turns to poetry: ‘The shepherd cries, the hour of choosing has arrived’…
“the final lines of Gore’s poem certainly apply to the governments that will gather in Copenhagen from December 7 to 18 for what is regarded as humanity’s last chance to avert absolutely catastrophic climate change.”
Gosh, when I was a kid, crazy people carrying placards predicting the end of the World were considered fodder for the funnies.
Doug,
Is there a subset of the Bulwer -Lytton bad writing contest that covers the wurst verse since a 19th century delicatessen advertisement?
RWE/92;
One might remind that mayor that Hiroshima was the home port for some components of the IJN’s Pearl Harbor attack fleet.
Gore’s timeline to catastrophe just about equals Gore’s timeline per se. Maybe that’s his problem –he thinks it’ll be a catastrophe for the planet when his fat ass finally kicks the bucket. I take the opposite position, the earth might just get a little more sunlight with the lowing mooncalf gone off to the Happy Hunting Ground.
113 buddy larsen Here is a comprehensive read on this UN sponsored effort for a strangle hold on the economy of the world. Not counting all of the links available at the bottom of the page.
How UN structures were designed to prove human CO2 was causing global warming
Ashen If your really that concerned and interested, email me paparay01 at yahoo as there are many groups that have formed and are forming right now so that if our votes are not counted, our courts won’t uphold the law or the law and our Constiution and Bill of Rights are trashed… Well, lets just say that Americans will not let our Republic be destroyed.
Papa Ray
PR/119; re your link –that’s a tremendously well-written article –Dr. Tim Ball and the Canadian Free Press are stalwarts and they do not give in. Their Judi McLeod is another with a deep comprehensive well-researched archive on these UN birds. It’s as if the two of them, Ball and McLeod, are trying to make up for countryman Maurice Strong’s vile predations. Anyhoo your link article is extremely valuable and especially as a starter for people just now beginning to awaken. I’m sending it to my email list. Thanks for the pointer.
buddy larsen,
On Pajamas Media they have Claudia Rosett. She used to follow the UN for the NY Sun, where you can search the archive, and she knows where the bodies are. Of course over at Turtle Bay they float by like in New Orleans after a hurricane but still she does professional work.
I think this is attributed to Henry David Thoreau:
“If I saw a man trudging up the pathway to my house with the fixed intention of doing me good, I should run for my very life.”
Lotm/121; yep –i’m a big fan of hers. she did such in-depth ground-breaking solo work on the Oil-for-Food global crime syndicate that i worried about her safety –she also interviewed the dragon hisself –Maurice Strong –years ago, in his apt somewhere in Singapore iirc. She was on the scene at Tianamin square, reporting live. Plus one or two other hairy situations that escape my mind at the moment. She’s really kind of a heroine/reporter type. plus a great smile. If she wasn’t writing from the right she’d have more Pulitzers than you could shake a stick at. Once i left a comment on one of her articles and got a thank-you-for-the-kind-words email from her. So she ain’t just posing as a champion of the ordinary folks, she really IS one.
““If I saw a man trudging up the pathway to my house with the fixed intention of doing me good, I should run for my very life.””
We’re from the government and we have declared your pond an important wildlife preserve… ever since you dammed it and filled it. Please leave.
LoTM “more effective than waterboarding”. Classic. Good point but I have a list of Sven and Ollie jokes a mile long.
I just revisited the 2005 documentary “Enron The Smartest Guys in the Room” based on the 2003 book by Bethany McLean and Peter Elkind. (McLean BTW being the same Fortune reporter giving fits to Patrick Byrne, CEO of Overstock, but that’s another story covered in detail on his site – nobody is innocent.)
Somebody should be making a documentaries – beginning yesterday – about the two greatest scams of this century – barely a decade in! – the 2008 financial meltdown and climate-gate.
I mention this because the level of unemployed talent on this site would seem to support the effort.
Easier and faster than writing a book. Well, faster.
And documentaries have a broader range, heightened impact and longer shelf life.
I will accept 5% for the concept development.
Buddy(118)- Don’t be fooled by Warmist’s, Al Gore’s weight is conserved through the second law of thermal dynamics in adiabatic systems. If he were to disappear on a remote planet (not too near) his mass might even affect the planet and even a measurable habitat here. Our bodies didn’t come with souls, they was lent to us and back to the earth theys shall go, ashes et al, not a measure more, not un less.
GL/125; Bingo –nice –to connect the size and shape of Climategate to the Panic of 08 is a quite righteous line of inquiry. The latter, which many pooh-poohed as design on the theory that it was simply too big for such a shenanigan, now see through climategate that NOTHING is too big to rig.
Why even the “Too Big to Fail” mantra used to float TARP (the new masters’ walking- around money) had a hard start point under the very same characters we met in 2008 –when in 1998 (yes, a whole LOT happened behind the late-Clinton scenes) Traveller’s Insurance and Citibank merged into Citigroup. And few know that Enron (with many connections –starting with the Enron board and consultants such as Obama’s head market regulator Gary Gensler –to the current administration) originated the cap-and-trade scheme. there’s so much that comes to light under a [ obama enron ] search, you could for a fact make a helluva documaenary. Where’s Michael Moore when there’s something actually true to capitalize on?
Here’s a sufficiently weird start point!
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Annoy mouse –thanks for the info –i had been under the impression that it governed by Fig Newton’s Laws of Friction –it being the manbearpig obscenity known as the algore.
“first law of thermodynamics” Gee I hate having to correct myself.
“Happy Hunting Ground”
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Organic Garden in the Sky?
BL@127: Where’s Michael Moore when there’s something actually true to capitalize on?
I’m thinking that single people without too much to lose would make the best job applicants.
GL/130; good point –
Doug/129; “organic guardin’ in this guy” (*groan*)
Alright, let me ask about this Grim and Determined character trait, to see if I qualify myself.
I’m worried sick about Iran doing a live test with its first nuclear warhead over Israel. I read about current news and wonder if my beloved country (USA) has already been transformed into a barbaric society. I’m almost paralyzed watching the current administration doing all in its power to transform America into a socialistic government. Every day brings new outrages from the Obama ‘czars’ that seem beyond reach and over-sight, and Reid and Pelosi seem hell-bent for bringing the national health system (20% of the economy) into government control. Every thug and tyrant on the world stage seem to be working overtime to take advantage of the opportunity suddenly presenting itself (a pacified American military).
In terms of education (my sphere), academia is dominated by the Left, and teaching instruction is dominated by Whole Language rubbish. The most common denominator of prison population isn’t race, class, or even single-parent families, it’s illiteracy. The unholy union of the Left, Academia, and the publishing houses have decimated the lives of several generations of Americans by robbing them of the power to read. The history of literacy instruction in the English-speaking world is a travesty.
What’s to be cheerful about? I take all this seriously, and my Bible readings aren’t very humorous. I read people like Bill Whittle, and he doesn’t tell many jokes. Shouldn’t we be serious about all this? Does that make me a G & D person?
If it means anything, a lot of the posts on this thread have made me laugh, which I like. Does that redeem me? I’m serious- how do I know if I’m not just another dour know-it-all cynical old codger?
Best regards, Peter Warner.
Annoy Mouse 124:
Back circa 1991 a farmer in Maryland was tossed in jail.
His crime? He destroyed a wetlands on his property.
He had taken that wetlands and cleaned it up in order to make it suitable for his project to take in injured and sick waterfowl and nurse them back to health.
So, he converted a wetlands into …
… a wetlands. To help wildlife.
And for that horrific crime, they tossed him in jail.
Was it Mark Twain or Robert Heinlien that said that no man’s life and property is safe as long as Congress is in session?
RWE/133; maybe that’s how and where the revolution needs to start –juuuust prevent the congress from meeting. Citizen cordons sanitaire around the buildings. Simple concept, just needs staffing. traditional beloved American archetypes such as RH, Mark Twain, Will Rogers, all could be invoked, by their words. “America is being murdered in these rooms, so, lets close the doors!”
Two more “interesting” observations about Enron:
1) Lou Pai, the Chinese-American “shadow executive” who ran Enron’s Energy Services Sector, which entered the energy trading markets that brought California to her knees in the early 2000′s. He’s now retired on a ranch in Colorado where he dabbles in “pollution credits.”
2) The California-Enron “model” in which the State passes regulation – usually ill-conceived, poorly written, and well-intentioned – that opens loopholes for “the smartest guys in the room” (typically not the State Rotunda) to exploit for personal profit. Watch the documentary and listen to the trading tapes while Enron shuts off the lights in California. I don’t know about anybody else, but I see a pattern. At a minimum, one of private exploitation of ill-conceived government directives but, at a maximum, something a bit more dedicated and targeted. Carbon trading is a similar, if not identical, operation, flawed not merely in concept, but in technical implementation – the computation of energy streams (like Fastow’s revenue streams) can be turned into pure fiction and nobody will know.
Except the Smartest Guys in the Room.
Peter – laughter keeps the troops morale up. Take a three day news fast and reconnect with something beautiful. It will give you something to fight for. The news fast is key when it gets overwhelming. Not that long ago Americans got their news at the end of a very long news cycle. Now we are drinking it out of a firehose and it overwhelms our ability to resist despair at times. We were sailing my saiboat into the teeth of a storm once and the wind was ripping at our sails and the waves were pounding the decks and spraying into the cockpit. This went on and on until we were weary with despair. FInally I threw the helm over and ran with the seas for a while. The wave action was gentle, the wind was less than half of its force, and the world seemed gentle and beatiful again. After a while, thus fortified, we headed back into the storm with renewed vigor and purpose.
Buddy – In the old days congress spent a few months a year doing the peoples business. They still had time to plant and harvest crops, read and write letters, take in a play, and with all this still have times to duel one another. Too bad they can’t find time now to duel one another. Instead they play chicken with public policy and disaster.
PW/132 & AM/136; if they can demoralize us, they’ve won the strategic goal. Every degree of demoralization is a degree of confidence for the other side. So, right you are, good cheer is a weapon –even if you have to fake it ’til you make it. Snopes might disagree, but it is said that the very action of the smile muscles creates a bit of a mood. Quickens the metabolism, adds dash, and such.
And even if, or when, you don’t fool the people around you, their very seeing through the cheer is to note your effort and appreciate the example.
And…gallows humor is still humor!
We’re seeing the convergence of politicians who just want your money, scientists who just want your money, and news media who just want your money, into a single type of mobster, just like the “traditional” mobster or racketeer who just wants your money.
In all cases, there is less and less pretense that they are giving you something of value so you will voluntarily give them your money, and they resort to threats and force (taxation) to take it.
I am not tarring all scientists, many/most are pretty honest and respect decent norms and practices in their fields. We do see the corrupting power of money on the climate guys tho.
As for the pols and media, I am indeed condemning them all, or more precisely such a large % (90%+) as it hardly pays to quibble.
The Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change …just in case you missed it –
Copenhagen climate summit in disarray after ‘Danish text’ leak
Trouble in River City??
Papa Ray
(snip from PR/141′s link, italics mine)
“…world leaders will next week be asked to sign an agreement that hands more power to rich countries and sidelines the UN’s role in all future climate change negotiations.
The document is also being interpreted by developing countries as setting unequal limits on per capita carbon emissions for developed and developing countries in 2050; meaning that people in rich countries would be permitted to emit nearly twice as much under the proposals.
The so-called Danish text, a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as “the circle of commitment” – but understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalised this week.
The agreement, leaked to the Guardian, is a departure from the Kyoto protocol’s principle that rich nations, which have emitted the bulk of the CO2, should take on firm and binding commitments to reduce greenhouse gases, while poorer nations were not compelled to act. The draft hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank; would abandon the Kyoto protocol – the only legally binding treaty that the world has on emissions reductions; and would make any money to help poor countries adapt to climate change dependent on them taking a range of actions.
(( words fail. w*o*r*d*s f*a*i*l. Horrors! Red Fascism! Why, how on earth can such a thing BE? ))
“If it means anything, a lot of the posts on this thread have made me laugh, which I like. Does that redeem me? I’m serious- how do I know if I’m not just another dour know-it-all cynical old codger?
Best regards, Peter Warner.”
Hey, You nailed me there. I’m one of the original “dour know-it-all cynical old codgers.”
Laughter is good for the soul so that the good things feel better and the bad things can be endured.
In the past when things were going to shit, before I had family and was in a terrible place far away, we stove off the terrible situations we were in by laughter, song, jokes and acting like kids even if we were in a man’s war.
Now, I take refuge in my grand kids. I’m a lucky and grateful Papa who has two of the sweetest (and headstrong) young grand daughters in the world. Not counting one grand son in the Navy and one in the Air Force and one who says when he is old enough is going to be a United States Marine.
So I nash my teeth and render my soul in my anger but then.. wash it out with the love from and for my loved ones.
But don’t get me wrong. There is a strong purpose in my anger. I belong to a growing population in America that sees and knows what evil is being done to our Republic, and we are not going to let it stand, let alone destroy our Nation.
I take a vacation sometimes from the news not because I try to but because taking care of two sweet little girls is a tasking job at it’s best.
No your not alone by any measurement.
Another way I vent my frustrations is by going to the shooting range. Even if ammo is higher than a kite I bleed off the bad with every shot. Making sure that I keep my skills up for that terrible day I just might need them again..God Forbid.
But if it comes down to it. It is the responsibility of each American to protect our families, our Republic and our values.
Papa Ray
The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
2009 Judge Alex Kozinski
that was ‘true blue’ –and bracing!
Why is it when I think of this AGW scam, I get an image of Algore and M. Strong watching an episode of Pinky and the Brain with them saying: “hey, that might be worth trying.”?
Yes, this is a problem. Well, it mirrors the original European Nobility. Run off the local bad guys(and if there aren’t any, invent some, like, say, evil monopolists and robber barrons) then declare yourself the new sherrif and get busy raising taxes, imposing rules, and granting favors to those who help bolster your claims to legitimacy. Then die and turn it over to a new generation that expects it all without any effort.
But this modern bunch doesn’t compare very favorably. The Normans, Franks and Germanic nobles had a run of over 30 generations before landing in utter chaos and ruin. Our Neo-Lords barely lasted 3.
PTM/145; –your antennae are picking up something from the past –oh there it is –right between an old Desilu and a Rod Serling –it’s…Molten Metals Technology! Complete with an image of Pinky and the Brain dressed up as Abbott and Costello!
First the release of the Climategate information and now this “Danish Text” appearing out of thin air. Someone deep inside the AGW crowd, who is sophisticated about AgitProp wants this thing to fail.
Of course, I’m cheering because I want this thing in Copenhagen to fail (I believe AGW is a Trojan Horse). However it concerns me that there is some mysterious shadow working in the background making this happen.
I would rather see the AGW political agenda fail because the science and economics were honestly presented and some rational decisions made.
Of course , conspiracy’s afoot. Look who’s involved:
Gore, Obama, Pelosi, Boxer, John (Kerry), Brown, Soros, Strong, (Phil) Jones, (Michael) McElroy, (Lisa) Jackson, Ki-moon, Hollywood, Enron, Kyoto, and Copenhagan.
Not looking good for Woods–
Papa Ray and Buddy, @141,2.
I highlighted your activity and added my historical references (and personal knowledge) at It’s Rat Eat Rat at Carp & Hog-in
Not looking good for Woods
How soon before they start calling him Woody?
Maybe he can find a second career pimping for Lou Pai.
148 Eggplant“I would rather see the AGW political agenda fail because the science and economics were honestly presented and some rational decisions made.”
That has been tried for the last ten years and has made no headway. Even now after the email revelations anybody and everybody who has power is either ignoring it or calling it deniablist propaganda. There is no way to stop this short of a major revolt in the scientific community and politicians realizing that their job depends on stopping it.
It doesn’t look like that is going to happen.
Then consider this about the EPA:
The EPA and Obama’s Uncertainty Tax
Be sure and read the comments like this one:
Posted by Dana H.
December 8th, 2009
4:51 pm GMT
“I actually spent some time today mucking about in the applicable sections of Title 42, dealing with public health and welfare (and civil rights, too). I’ve not seen the Fed. Reg. ruling by which the EPA has acted, but from what I’ve read it seems to be that this is a designation under § 7408(a)(1), under which the EPA gets to designate pollutants for purposes of establishing national primary and secondard air quality standards. Interestingly, under § 7408(a)(2) the EPA’s standards adopted must “accurately reflect the latest scientific knowledge,” which ought to provide some piquant hilarity in light of Warmingate. Under § 7411 the EPA gets to establish categories of “stationary sources” and establish standards for new sources. Those new sources are subject to permitting requirements established under § 7661a; the EPA has the right of entry and inspection to monitor compliance under § 7661c. Section 7413 establishes civil, criminal, and administrative penalties for non-compliance with any permit. Right now those provisions relate only to “stationary sources”; “moving sources” appear to be, for the moment, motor vehicles and the fuel they burn.
So as of right now the EPA could establish, for example, categories of “new stationary sources” to include things like “domestic fossil fuel sources,” e.g. your daddy’s gas grill out on the sundeck, or “domestic non-fossil fuel sources,” e.g. your boys’ weenie roast in the back yard. You then have to have an EPA-approved permit to host the neighborhood kids over to cook weenies and marshmallows, and if you should fail, and the neighborhood crank decide to rat you out to the new EPA inspector who just got hired to implement the “domestic stationary source compliance program,” and is consequently looking to make his bones with his boss . . . well, good luck to you.”
Read the rest they are informative also.
Like the man said, times are getting interesting but they also are getting serious and something has to bend or break. I don’t think the backer’s of Obama and the UN’s effort to control, curb and determine the world’s populations and governments are going to give up.
It is going to be up to others to make them.
One way or the other.
Papa Ray
151:
Golly, Lou’s moved to post-Enron Hou for “innovative” pollution profiteering.
Lou’s Emissions now open.