And an enemy of Chavez.
Honduras ordered the expulsion of Venezuelan diplomats, accusing them of interfering in its internal affairs. But the Venezuelans, however, have refused calculating that the interim government can’t make them. In other news, Washington was considering sanctions in case Honduras did not yield to mediation efforts by Costa Rica to return President Zelaya, who has been accused of trying to illegally extend his stay in office. Xinhua has the details of the Venezuelan diplomatic refusal to leave.
TEGUCIGALPA, July 21 (Xinhua) — Honduras’ interim government on Tuesday gave 72 hours to Venezuelan diplomats to leave, accusing them of threatening to use force and interfering into the country’s internal affairs. “The Foreign Ministry has requested the honorable embassy of Venezuela the withdrawal of its administrative, technical and diplomatic staff in a term of 72 hours due to the threats of using force, the interference in internal issues as well as the lack of respect to the territorial integrity,” Deputy Foreign Minister Martha Lorena Alvarado said. The request, however, was turned down by Vezezuelan diplomats who said they would not leave Honduras and would not obey the order of any coup government not recognized by Venezuela.
The idea of sanctions against Honduras was mooted by Hillary Clinton. The Chicago Tribune reports:
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called interim President Roberto Micheletti to say there would be serious consequences if his government ignores international mediation for Zelaya’s return.
Honduran business leaders, meanwhile, say U.S. Ambassador Hugo Llorens has met with them to warn that Honduras — highly dependent on exports to the U.S. — could face tough sanctions if the interim government continues to refuse Costa Rican President Oscar Arias’ compromise proposal for Zelaya to return as head of a coalition government.
But the AP reports that Washington is wary an across the board punishment of its ally for fear of the negative publicity of the suffering it might bring. The AP reports says:
Supporters of ousted President Manuel Zelaya are advocating targeted economic sanctions to pressure the interim government to allow his return rather than broader measures that might harm the Central American country’s poorest citizens.
U.S. officials are considering imposing sanctions on one of the hemisphere’s poorest countries if mediation efforts by Costa Rican President Oscar Arias fail to resolve the crisis. The European Union has already frozen euro65 million ($92 million) in development aid and warned of further steps.
But with Honduras’ defiant leaders vowing to tough out any economic pain for months, Zelaya has begun to rethink his previous support for sweeping measures intended to isolate the interim government. …
U.S. officials warned that such measures could be coming, even though questions remain about the effectiveness of sanctions. Historically, they have only been successful in about one-third of cases, said Gary Hufbauer, senior fellow at the Washington-based Peterson Institute for International Economics.
“Honduras is a pretty vulnerable country. It’s small and dependent on a handful of countries for trade,” Hufbauer said. He noted, however, that since Honduras is a U.S. ally it may be more likely to yield to sanctions.
Keep it up and someone may eventually get the idea that it’s better to be an ally of Chavez and an enemy of America than vice-versa.
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If Micheletti were an friend of Chavez/Castro/Ortega/ad nauseum and had seized power in a coup we would be hearing why the US must never, ever intervene in Honduras.
But since he is a friend of us we are to shaft him in whatver ways are convenient so that our enemies will have a friend in Honduras instead.
May I suggest the use of a nuclear weapon in this matter? Nuke Foggy Bottom. A free fire zone if I ever saw one.
This is heartbreaking. The story about the computers with preloaded results from the election that never was remains in lockdown. What does Mexico have to say about all this? Laws and Constitutions mean nothing to Obama. We are naked in the dark.
We need not the Bull Moose but the Polar Party. Symbol a Polar Bear and dedicated to the Polar Opposite of everything Obama does. Triple the Armed Forces, build another 8,000 nukes, cut social welfare, free the economy, crush our enemies. If only the Elephants were Polar Bears.
Cute too.
The story about the computers with preloaded results from the election that never was remains in lockdown…
The behavior of this administration, and of its Ministry of Information (MSM), is hard to interpret except under the hypothesis that the intention is to thoroughly destroy this country, and undermine every potential ally while exalting every enemy.
G_d help us.
Jamie Irons
Is Hillary doing stand up comedy these days? I thought of that, and I remembered listening to Rush one time and he was playing MSM commentary with a laugh track. So I added a mental “laugh track” with this, from the BBC ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8162402.stm ):
We can always threaten Iran with turning it into an ally. She wants an engagement and all they want is a Lewinsky. So sad.
Leftists love power. They lust after (and acquire through power) what the rich and conservative desire (and acquire through money). Conservatives adopted the moral world view of the left, at least in matters of sex and society, but they’ve naively clung to the notion that their money buys independence and freedom.
Mutatis mutandis. Now Obama has his very own banana repubic.
“…someone may eventually get the idea that it’s better to be an ally of Chavez and an enemy of America than vice-versa.” –Wretchard
I think that is exactly what the big 0 wants. And, he probably will get it.
Dictators and thugs are in fashion and honest people are out.
It shows the the Democrat Party is beyond repair and with it our current political debate. There is not room for reasoning here for there are no shared values whatsoever. Perverse and perverted, they stand opposed to all the is good, wise and true. They stand against all that America was, is or should hope to be.
It also shows how decrepit the body politic has become. There is no meaningful outrage at all. One gets the sense that the majority do not even understand the issues. First the response to Iran and now this.
It is now most certain: if they could install a Chavez-like regime here, they would do it in a heartbeat.
I have a very difficult time viewing them as fellow Americans.
I would note that this all is not just the work of Obama; he is really just a front-man or, at best, a manifestation of the Democrats’ “culture”. Should he disappear tomorrow we would still have this problem with the Left and the Democrats. One wonders how this can be resolved politically. If it is resolved favorably in the political arena it will require a real sea-change in the hearts and minds of the electorate.
How this would happen is anyone’s guess, but it will have to come up from the grassroots. It is fairly certain that the truth will never get through the media filters. The scandalous shutting out of the vote machine story is bad enough, but what is more damaging is the fact that there is no discussion at all about Latin American politics and the terrible assaults on prosperity and liberty that are going on down there.
No middle class people who have been forced out of Venezuela are ever interviewed. Small and middle sized business men getting the squeezed in Brazil are never put on the tube. The terrible legacy of one party, socialist rule in Mexico is never brought up. This is by far much more dangerous than the ommsion of this story (not to excuse it in anyway, mind you).
As an aside, I find it preposterous the hype surrounding Hillary’s “big speeches”. They are tedious and predicable affairs. Straight out of the 1960′s rallies outside a Student Union, the memories of which is where I gather Hillary is taking her “inspiration” from. We are being governed by a tribe of sentimental, menopausal and overgrown adolescents–the very worst of the Boomers. It cannot but end badly.
Uribe is considering a third term.
That would mean no FTA for Colombia.
Being our best ally.
To continue the line of thinking of Mongoose:
During the Iraq war I harbored, somewhere in my sympathies, the notion that opponents of the war might be acting out of humanitarian motives. I also hoped that the left-Islamist alliance was a figment of David Horowitz’s imagination.
Now we see, in the Obama treatment of Israel, Britain, Honduras, and other democracies, that for the left there are indeed no enemies on the left. It seems that any nation that allied itself with the “U.S.-sponsor-of-democracy” ideology must be taught a lesson.
And what nation most deserves a lesson? Could it be the nation that provided the U.S. with a base of operations against the Sandinistas and El Salvador? My friends in Honduras have already made contingency plans to leave the country since they see in the current thuggery that the left intends to use violence to rule and intends to loot the country. The sucking sound you hear is the electronic transfer of assets to Miami banks.
Yes, the Debt Clock shows that we are basically doomed anyway. But for the left, it matters who’s on top when the end comes. Indeed, it does.
You gotta’ admit that enthusiastically joining the Noam Chomsky chorus on the evil of American foreign policy has its titillation. Who could have predicted this? Me and Noam.
It’s very difficult to see any reason for Obama’s stance on Zelaya other than a personal vision of doing the same thing. Constitution be damned. Full speed ahead.
Here’s another log for the fire:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/22/honduras-claims-zelaya-stole-millions-before-being-deposed/
Cash for votes? Pin money? Or a case of ‘the guilty flee where none pursue’?
As to the computers, if that matter has become ‘evidence’ against Zelaya, a case could be made for NOT blasting it across the airwaves.
That, and the above story could be key reasons why Zelaya keeps revising the date/time of his triumphant ‘re-entry’ into Honduras.
I’d want one hellva of a ‘marker’ in my back pocket before I walked into a room that might contain a ‘firing squad’.
This is utterly nuts. The left is coming out of the closet in full Marxist regalia ,the masks are off. What other reason for supporting this little tinpot tyrant? Obama’s taking a Carter like ratings plunge. The difference, Carter despite being deluded, ineffectual and probably antisemitic didn’t have fascist tendencies. Obama not so much.
Now that Chavez has unzipped in front of the Hondurans and said “Make my day” what can they do? The Venezuelans and America if we act as Chavez’s client and back him, have now thrown the Vienna protocols to the list of laws, conventions and constitutions tossed under the bus. Will the Hondurans bundle the Venezuelan “Diplomats” onto a plane? At what altitude will they be delivered?
Just sent the following to Foxnews:
Dear News Manager,
There is a story that USA Today gave one paragraph to two days ago that the Babalu blog has. It claims that the Hondurans found 47 computers preloaded with detailed results for the Honduran referendum that never happened. If this is a false story put out by the current Honduran government then it hurts their credibility. If the story was true then it is proof that Zelaya was planning massive fraud like what happened in Iran and the Supreme Court was right to order his removal. That would make Obama a willing dupe or partner to a criminal effort to steal an election, which would be huge. The story should be investigated and given exposure either way.
hey
here in santa cruz , bolivia, thenews is hot with reports that a ´´biophysical´´ electoral regristration program is rigged !!!!!!
chavez clients get the full pardon for any wrongdoings this side of gang rape of nuns !!!!
the emabsssy issue is a wicked boiling point on this issue. if the diplo-thugs are bundled off…chavez will invade with commando units…take that to the bank.
if they stay holed up in the emabassy…its becomes a ´´cause celebre ´´ for the msm-leftoid thugs.
choose your poison !!!
Truly maddening.
Everything that this country has fought for in the past- the underdog, supporting people seeking freedom from tyranny…all gone in the space of 6 months.
The US has become more like the soviets than even putin and company!!
So, if Chavez organizes a “Coalition of the Willing” to go invade Honduras and restore the rightful ruler to his throne , uh, I mean, to his dully elected office, do we join?
That would sure put us in on Chavez good side. And hey, what’s another South American country run by an elected dictator? Who’s gonna notice?
Of course, Chavez could get his good pals and arms suppliers, the Russians to come help instead of us. It would be only fair, really. The Soviets used Cubans to invade African countries and I am sure Putin is looking for some payback.
And if that happens and we stand back and let it, not only will that help disguise that Obama could cross thread a bowling ball without difficulty, uh, I mean defuse an international crisis, but it would put us on Putin’s good side as well.
I seen nothing but Win-Win options for Obama here. He even wins if he does nothing.
Just a side note so everyone here isn’t blindsided by intelligent rebuttals from the left (don’t laugh, because it really does happen):
While we know that the actions of the Honduran government have merit and are legitimate if one believes in lawful government, Latin American governments still overrepresent their elites. Yeah, I know, we see that happening here too, but not to the extent to our South. Many Latin American countries still stubbornly refuse to address major class and poverty issues in their countries aggressively, and thus make themselves easy targets for Chavez and his imitators. Honduras is no exception. Be prepared to let the other side know that you appreciate this fact, but that ruke of law takes precedence over unconstitutional “referendums” that also turn out to be fixed beforehand.
For the last 8 years and all during any GoP presidency, the Left literally screamed at the top of their lungs that Fascism was coming to the US. Who would have thought that they were merely forewarning us what would happen when they came to power?
Ans: Any thinking Conservative.
Question for discussion:
At what point do we call a Fascist a Fascist? What is the tipping point?
Life of the Mind states “Laws and Constitutions mean nothing to Obama.”
I seem to recall the for the first 6 years or so of the Bush presidency, the loonier left was constantly announcing that Bush would be finding a way to not hold elections in 2008 so that he could stay president forever. They still refer to his presidency as the “imperial presidency”.
I really am afraid that what they accused a Republican of wanting to do, is something that with one of their own in power they will try to do for real. The current administration’s reaction to the situation in Honduras does nothing to dispell these fears.
ETA: Robohobo beat me to it!
I should also remind Robohobo that, according to anyone on the left, only the right can be fascist. (Or so says my sister, the Democrat Party activist.)
jamie/3; –if that’s a prayer (and i think it is); “Amen”.
At what point do we call a Fascist a Fascist? What is the tipping point?
When we’re told we have to check in for an ‘end of life’ discussion?
Barack Obama has a hack lawyer’s contempt for the law.
Tim Geithner has a hack investment banker’s contempt for money.
Michelle Obama has a hack manager’s contempt for labor.
This is a frankenstein subset of the Peter Principal.
LibraryGryffon – Buy her a dictionary! Or show her this link to the Wiki:
fascism
Liberal defenders of Obama in full retreat on Birth Certificate
NaturalBornCitizen always has a good take on the requirements for being President, and, things like eugenics, too.
With the way Oturkey is turning out, the wisdom of the fathers in wanting for President a citizen with a citizen mother and a citizen father seems evident enough.
“Tim Geithner has a hack investment banker’s contempt for money.”
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Thus, contrary to baseless charges from the right, no malice was involved when he absentmindedly neglected to tally contemptible money on his TurboTax.
High End Home Market Still Has Further to Fall
We have been enlightened to a rather public person’s Real Estate dilemma; Timothy Geithner.
He, along with his wife, bought a NY house in 2004 for $1.602 million. Currently, they owe $1.25 million in 2 mortgages on that house.
Now that he works in Washington, in February, he put his NY based home up for sale at $1.635 million.
After dropping the price to $1.575 million hoping to attract a buyer, it still did not sell. They now rent the house for $7,500 a month.
At $7,500 a month, they’ll get $90,000 in rent revenue. The property taxes are $27,000 a year. Hey, the house is in the “Welfare State.”
That leaves $63,000 for interest on the mortgage and any other repair costs to maintain the property they… I mean, the bank owns.
Let’s assume the mortgage has an interest rate of 5.25%. Owing $1.25 million at 5.25%, that equals $65,625 in interest to the bank.
The rent does not even cover the interest and property taxes when the mortgage is $1.25 million. ($65,625 + $27,000 = $92,625 – $90,000 in rent = $2,625 loss)
22. bob,
When they tell you your end of life decision has already been made for you.
In the affirmative.
Of course at that time, it’s too late to bother.
And here I’d always thought, God gives, God takes away.
For some time now, I have been referring to the Democrats and their allies on the Left as “those who are no longer our countrymen”. And I have mentioned and explicated here and elsewhere the concept of the “Cold Civil War”. That war has always had the potential to become hot. There is indeed no guarantee at all, that it will not become so.
Between the 1939 partition of Poland by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union and the invasion of France and the low countries on May 10, 1940 there was a period of relative military inactivity in Europe, even after the war had begun. It was referred to as the “Phoney War” or the “Sitzkrieg”. It was the calm before the breaking storm.
Everybody knew that the lull would end. But nobody really believed it when it happened.
We are, perhaps, in a similar lull. What the provocation that breaks the impasse is going to be is unknown. As is the time. It may be tomorrow, it may be an incident before the 2010 elections, or it may be either a blatantly falsified result of that election [Keep in mind that we have had several cycles of blatant Democrat vote and registration fraud that has gone deliberately unpunished, and now ACORN has $4 BILLION in Federal funding. Also, Buraq's automatic siding with those who commit election fraud overseas.] or a repudiation of the results if they go against the regime. But I believe we are past the point of no return and the only variable is the time before it happens.
One constant that runs through the actions of Democrats is that they are acting like they feel that they will never have to deal with the possibility of being removed from power. The willingness to deliberately insult constitutents is telling. It is in the measurable future whether their faith in that is will be proved true or not.
I have told the tale of Merriam’s Corner before; how it can be considered the real birth of the country before the Declaration. If evil days should come, it will be the willingness of Patriots to recreate Merriam’s Corner; to see that no individual faces the might of the State alone, that will determine the end.
If we are to have a hope of forestalling those evil days, we must legally put and maintain more pressure on the government than they have ever had before. They must fear those who they would oppress, if we are to have a chance of avoiding the final argument of Kings. For if that day comes, I can only describe it by paraphrasing the real master of my nom d’ Blog:
They have chosen War. Only the Great Blue Sky Tengi-Nor knows the end result.
Subotai Bahadur
And here I thought that the movie “RED DAWN” was a cold war relic. But Obama brings back the specter of Central America going communist (now Leftist-Marxist) and, once Mexico is under their banner, attacking the US so Mexico can regain their land taken in 1848. Obviously the left in American will support such a worthy endeavor. We all know dissent is patriotic when the Left acts in such a manner and Mr. Obama would acquiesce since we were obviously wrong in 1848 to annex the southwest and California.
31. Al Reasin:
Let’s not get hasty with that line of thinking. If we stuck Mexico with the southern part of California and those parts of New Mexico and Arizona they used to own we would be freed of all those Hollywood liberals and the non-taxpayers that infest the area.
Let them have it, and let them keep all those knuckleheads that live there. That is millions of extreme Left voters that would no longer pollute our body politic.
We would REALLY need to build that fence afterward.
Now if we could figure out how to jettison the D.C.-Boston area we could restore sanity (and fiscal responsiblity) to the balsnce of our nation.
Just kidding, but these are painfully interesting times.
RR: Fail to address “class issues”? Whatever are you talking about?
Is it your expectation government is suppose to address “class issues”?
In fact, most of the poverty down there is due to the outrageously disastrous socialist and/or populist governments and/or their legacies of those nations, and the constant assault on property rights and liberty that goes with them. It is the middle class that keeps getting hammered, and mostly by the likes of Lula, Chavez, Morales, Peron, Allende, the PRI, etc. under the cover of “handling class issues”. Over represent their elites? Whatever are you talking about?
This has been going on now for generations now. This is just the point of the matter in Honduras. I would say it goes beyond the rule of law, it is war between Western Civlization and Marxism. Latin American Marxists, like all Marxist, use the democratic process to pervert democracy and install Marxism. A lot of what Chavez is doing is “legal” in a technical sense, it is of course an act of war on the people of Venezuela.
Your assertion is quite bizarre to me. If a leftist is defending Marxism he cannot be defending any reasonable Democratic or Republican process. Period. Leftists by definition are defending Marxism in one of it various form. That is why we call them Leftist (or “Liberal”, same difference).
No Marxist country in history has ever been founded except through lies and trickery. Ever. And more to the point, when did a leftist government ever address “class issues” other than to immiserate all to the lowest level? All that is but the masters, of course. Are you implying that there might be a “intelligent” case made for Marxism based on “poverty” or “class issues”?
Sounds to me like you are buying the leftist cant about Latin America in particular, and “social justice” hogwash in general. There is absolutely no need to “qualify” one’s opinions at all by giving lip service to Marxist nonsense. If this is your notion of “intelligent criticism” of a conservative position by liberals I really cannot imagine what the discussion is actually about, but it certainly not conservatism. Implement conservative princples and those “class issues” will take care of themselves.
You ought to try living and doing business in Latin America before you make such bizarre pronouncements. Frankly I find it rather condescending.
Let’s be honest about talking about the “Left.” We are talking about Women, Blacks, Hispanics, and SWPL feminized yuppies. That is the left.
As far as Latin America goes, divided by race and class, duh. But in America and Europe, the vast majority of people are White and Middle Class (between 80-65% depending on nation).
What the “revolt of the elites” proposes is to destroy any rights or voice by White Men by privileging Women, Blacks, and Hispanics before them. Creating voting rights by gender and race (ACORN fraud) and a new permanent aristocracy.
Why do women in America love Chavez, Castro, Zelaya, etc. Because they are Big Men with the classic tyrant’s desire to create aristocracy. One need only look to Disney princesses to see how ingrained and hard-wired that is for women. Any moderating influence has been destroyed by the end of the nuclear family. By making women totally independent, single mother actors. Either through choice single motherhood or divorce.
RR is right, the Chavez/Zelaya/Castro regimes depend on patronage from the very poor and Indio classes (the same) to want not a regime of equality but new Aristocracy. Merely changing one Big Man for another. A failure of the people themselves to see a way out of poverty and exclusion.
However, here in the US it’s the reverse. It’s privileged elites and non-White partners seeking to maintain a system of privilege who furiously revolt at the prospect of populist power. By cobbling together disparate groups united in hatred of Straight White Men, and with the Media, deeply feminized and hostile to Straight White Men, they hope to create a permanent Hacienda System. Through Government control of everything. This is true in Europe as well.
Obama is the symptom, not the disease itself. As such, the problems in the West run deeper — mostly due to the collapse of the nuclear family and emergence of women as independent actors deeply and permanently hostile towards most Straight White Men who are indeed their enemy.
20. LibraryGryffon:
Your comments reminded me of the movement from the left side of the spectrum after O’s election to have him installed in the WH early so as to get rid of the dreaded Bush and have O begin his magic early. Would that have required a constitutional change? Anyway, the present direction of this administration has me concerned to put it mildly.
“”"”"”RR: Fail to address “class issues”? Whatever are you talking about?
Is it your expectation government is suppose to address “class issues”?”"”"”"
Yes, with a Latin American government, the smart thing is to address these issues if you’re going to blunt the efforts of potential demagogues. Why is that so hard to understand? I’m sorry if that sounds like “leftist cant” to you, but you may want to not be so knee-jerk yourself. Why do you think demagogues have done so well in S. America? Do you really think that they’d be able to operate in a vacuum? They succeed because there is fertile ground in places like the favellas, slums, and indigenous groups. Do I have to be a “leftist” to notice that? And it isn’t just our neighbors to the south. Perhaps Wretchard could enlighten us as to why a Marcos or other demagogue or a powerful leftist movement can take root in a place like the Phillipines where some people live in garbage dumps?
Oh, and while you were in such a knee-jerk huff about my “leftism,” you failed to notice my support of the rule of law in Honduras and my allusion to Zelaya trying to rig the referendum. Part of defeating an enemy is knowing why he is strong. Social inequities are to leftists as warm water is to a hurricane.
“”"”"”Implement conservative princples and those “class issues” will take care of themselves.”"”"”"
Oh, of course, Mongoose, just like that!
“”"”"You ought to try living and doing business in Latin America before you make such bizarre pronouncements. Frankly I find it rather condescending.”"”"”"
Please enlighten us, Mongoose.
anton @ 32:
Listen to me, you speak from ignorance. I live in this area that you just defamed. Apologize now.
FYI, Bill Richardson (what is the hispanic version of an oreo?) could not campaign in the SE of NM because the State Police could not guarantee he would be protected. He is roundly hated there by the ranchers and farmers who can out-gun the local yokels.
IOW, you don’t know sh-t.
Not all the “American” Mexicans live in the Southwest. If you take the CTA from Chicago O’Hare to the Loop you will see at least one Mexican flag flying from the top of buildings in the Mexican barrio north of the Near North Side.
I have to not see Mexican flags flying from buildings in Austin, TX.
Young male Mexican (from Mexico) gangs are roaming parts of south and central Texas killing and robbing. Same for the south of CA but the LA Times will not write about it.
The gangs should take over the LA Times building and make it into their headquarters. The LA mayor would understand.
Now The LA Times Wants To Amend the Constitution Rather Than Have Obama Show His Birth Certificate. (Translation: Yeah he’s not a Natural Born Citizen — As the Constitution Requires.)
Ah, there you are, Whiskey.
Check this out, specifically Grandpa’s comment at
Jul 22, 12:45 AM.
As much as single payer health care and cap & trade scare me, this Honduras business is so fookin’ unbelieveable that I still can’t believe AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT CAME OUT ON THE SAME SIDE OF A SOVEREIGNTY ISSUE AS FIDEL CASTRO AND HUGO CHAVEZ.
Did I wake up one morning in an alternate universe or something?
“20. LibraryGryffon:
I seem to recall the for the first 6 years or so of the Bush presidency, the loonier left was constantly announcing that Bush would be finding a way to not hold elections in 2008 so that he could stay president forever. They still refer to his presidency as the “imperial presidency”.
I really am afraid that what they accused a Republican of wanting to do, is something that with one of their own in power they will try to do for real. The current administration’s reaction to the situation in Honduras does nothing to dispell these fears.”
I have noticed that when people call out the sins of another with excessive zeal it is because they are railing against the secret sin they have not mastered in themselves. It was clear to me at the time the Bush administration was accused of all sorts of monstrous wicked plans that what was being exposed to the light was not the Bush administration, it was the secret fantasy agenda of the Left. Now that the Left have control of the Executive and Legislative branches of government as well as the primary channels of public communication they are like the alcoholic who is now going to drink responsibly. “Just a little sip, mind you, to settle things down. Then I’ll stop.” Then another little sip, and another, until they are raving drunk.
Leftism is, among other things, an addition to power at any price. Like all addictions it has its distorted thinking, its ritual pretense of control, its inevitable consummation, its unmanageable consequences and its increasingly ineffective attempts at denial and concealment.
This cycle will continue, with the complicity of society at large, until it hits bottom. The terrifying thing is that this disease infects such a tremendous proportion of society as a whole and those whom we have entrusted with the levers of power necessary to run our nation.
A sober person in the back seat of a car driven by a drunk is just as likely to be killed by the crash as the drunk himself. So the nation as a whole is at risk of destruction at the hands of those whom we have collectively put in power.
“30. Subotai Bahadur: “Cold Civil War”. That war has always had the potential to become hot. There is indeed no guarantee at all, that it will not become so.”
And likely it will become hot. Prying the keys away from a drunk who thinks he’s sober enough to drive is hard enough, getting him to slow down enough to pry his hands off the wheel without ending up in a ditch is going to be a neat trick.
The more I look at it the more it seems to me that we have been in that ditch for a while, careening along the edge at full speed, teetering on the brink of the crash. Now the drunks have yanked the wheel around to head us in a full power beeline to the bottom. That’s going to be one hell of an intervention.
Crash or no crash, the Left has got to be removed. This is not a Party issue; though the Left has hijacked the Democratic Party there are plenty among the Republicans who are likewise infected. It is the Left, it’s lies, distorted thinking, twisted memes, moral inversions, consuming hate, overweening pride, irrational blindness, contempt for all that is not itself and ruthless grasping for power no matter the cost which must be exposed, discredited and reduced to a forgotten curiosity in a historical footnote.
War’s on.
What would happen if the Chavez thugs suddenly started to evaporate?
No trace…
Just erased…
No threats… No public statements..
Just the sudden overnight erasure of Diplomats from Venezuela…
time for the governments of select western democracies to turn to wet opps…
No more talk talk…. time for those governments to erase erase…
I’m with robohobo, re: giving back what we stole fair and square in 1848. Most folks here in Tucson are not in favor of a return to Mexico. Sentiments are pretty strong to close the border.
Wow, what a disgusting display by an administration that is entirely unprepared.. Well, unprepared or antagonistic to our nation’s best interests.
“Same for the south of CA but the LA Times will not write about it.”
I lived in San Pedro for a spell and there was a veritable war going on between various gangs. Heard about 100 shots of pistol ammo going off with about 8 from what sounded like a 12ga only 1 block away. Earlier in the year a body dropped off in the alley behind my house. Had some real sketchy moments around 3:00am walking back from Tommy’s Yatch Club. Cigarettes and respeto saved my life on more than one occassion. Not a peep from the papers about any of the murders that I knew of. See its bad press for Mexicans and bad for business. A friend of mine, an LA cop as much as told me so. Assembly person Janice Hahn is trying to make a buck off of the waterfront and this clear and present danger to all citizens shall be overlooked where there is money to be made and government to be upheld.
Annoy Mouse @ 46:
Should have started with a .45 that saved your life. That and Warren vs DC is why the 2ndA is so important. The reason I was so frakkin’ po’ed at anton is that he knows nothing of the SW apparently. He has not shown his “face” as it were. NM is still open carry. Yup, I can walk around with my pistol on my hip if I choose. Of course I rather it was concealed.
trangbang – We did not steal anything. We won the war. Mexico does not want it back. It is just Leftists on college campuses, mostly in Ca., that want to make a deal out of it. Plus the Gadsen Purchase is how the NM bootheel became US territory. And why did all of those Mexicans come here anyway? They want out of the hellhole that is modern Mexico. Most of them move on to become very productive citizens.
jay @ 38:
I have family there and have spent a lot of time in Austin (Moscow On The Colorado). Austin is a ‘sanctuary city’ declared by the Police Chief, no less. Austin is a splotch of blue in red, red Texas. There are lots of people there that concealed carry. And in Dallas. Do you know that West Texans call Dallasites, “Dallas Yankees”? Most of Dallas is transplants from the rust belt. Ft. Worth – not so much.
We have MS-13 very strongly in my town but they leave the civilians alone as they as uncertain as to what they may run into. Lots and lots of guns here. One neighborhood which was FHA houses way back when fought the gangs successfully. This was when the Bloods and Crips tried to move in. Every time an unknown car showed up in the neighborhood, the residents came out carrying their 12ga shotguns, rifles, etc. The gangs left them alone after about 2 weeks. That neighborhood is still in okay shape albeit still very poor.
The point is that we can fight The 0bamanation. We must retain our 2ndA rights. We must be prepared to fight in all ways and not give in.
We cannot let anyone change The Constitution in any way and we must support the good guys in places like Iran and Honduras.
Amen to robo –my area, too, very harsh toward Leviathan. The hill country counties just west of Moscow-on-the-Colorado were settled by outlaws anyway –they’d do their robbin’ in the flatlands that start on the east side of the river and run to New Orleans, and hide out in the hills on the west side of the river. Hill peoples are always tough to subdue. Unless you have Anton AN-124s and Yellow Rain, of course.
I just heard on the radio that some “unnamed US Senator” has negotiated a resolution to the Honduran impasse. Apparently Zelaya will return to power with the promise not to change the constitution so he would have been able to run again (yeah, right). I am ashamed for my State Department, my president and my nation if we are indeed supporting such a travesty. Democracy just lost a big battle. F
just guessin’, F, but i’ll lay odds –if the report is true –that the senator is John Kerry.
just guessin’, F, but i’ll lay odds –if the report is true –that the senator is John “Ho Chi John” Kerry.
There are many countries in Latin America whose majorities are mestizos, negros, and/or indios. Must we abandon allies in Honduras if they do not happen to be “white”?? I do not think it would be wise to write off those countries as allies merely because their demographics don’t suit the prejudices of white supremacists. It would be unwise to presume that possession of a dark skin color will necessarily lead someone to become a Marxist.
Yes, I am well aware of the race baiting of Obama and some of his followers. Yes, there are those who would sanction a new Jim Crow regime against “white men”. Yes, anti-white racism exists and it must be combated. Yet, it must be combated in the name of color blindness and not in the name of white racism.
Obama and his like will eventually be defeated. What then? Please consider what kind of America or perhaps what kind of world we want to build once Obama is defeated. If the only alternative to Obama is some fortress of “angry white men” and their sex slaves, the result is a stalemate, not a victory. We need to consider what the world should be like on the day after victory. Is there any space for free people who don’t share the heritage of the Louisiana planter class? Must any and all divergence from the agenda of Louisiana slave owners be labeled as “Communist”, “liberal”, or “deviant”?
We should reach out to opponents of Fidel Castro, opponents of Hugo Chavez, opponents of Evo Morales, opponents of Daniel Ortega, and opponents of Lula regardless of their skin color. It would be unwise to brush off possible allies because they happen to be black or Indian or mestizo or mulatto, out of an assumption that such people must forever be enemies of “white men”. While there may be some French Louisiana families that will never get over anti-white atrocities of the Haitian Revolution, let’s not assume that all non-white people act like Jean-Jacques Dessalines or Louis Boisrond-Tonnerre.
One of the key reasons why Obama has been able to be so successful in his demagoguery is that altogether too many of his opponents insist and continue to insist upon framing opposition to his policies in exclusively in terms of race and sex. Isn’t there any reason to oppose Obama other than race and sex? Isn’t there a land called “America”? The last I heard, it hasn’t been renamed “Land of the White Man” and neither has it been renamed “Obamaland”.
We can do better than descend to the level of Barack Obama’s racism. Let’s aspire to something better than either Jim Crow or reverse Jim Crow. Let’s not descend to the worldview of early twentieth century Progressivism, and let’s not forget how at least some branches of the Ku Klux Klan were frankly socialist in their desire to use state intervention to advance “The White Race”. Let’s fight on behalf of freedom.
Alexis: Where did that come from? No one around here ever said that:
What you do not know about places like Mexico, I do not know, but it seems your own pre-judging comes into play. In Mexico there are two classes of people. There are the “Spaniards” and the “Indios”. The former are quite light skinned and are the upper class. The latter are the product of the former’s intermixing with the natives who were very dark. Mestizo is another term for them. The two classes DO NOT mix. That is just what I know in a (small) nutshell. And there is a continuum throughout South America. Evo Morales is actually an ethnic Inca.
No one wants to return to the bad old days of pre-Civil War. That is just foolish BUT there has to be balance. Right now, in the US, there is none.
responding to What is Occupation # 43
The disappearance by whatever method of the goons and supporters of Chavez may be termed the “Tamil Tiger Solution.”
Buddy -
As to the hill country being outlaw country, yeah, I can see that. I just had a flash about Salt Lick BBQ! Yum!
I have traveled out to the west of Austin into Fredericksburg and Wimberley. I really like it out there. Austin is that sea of weirdness in the middle of East Texas. It is a cool place but the politics are just that – weird.
I spent two years in recent history working a contract at a now defunct semiconductor company in Austin helping them spin up a new factory in north central Japan. What fun. I will tell you that my home town is Santa Fe, NM. If that tells you where I come from though I do not live there now.
beautiful, just sublimely beautiful, country that, Santa Fe & Taos area. Spent some great months there in the early 70s, learning that i wasn’t gonna be a new Charlie Russell. Ah, yoof, too bad it’s wasted on the…oh well, you know.
There is two problems here. From ‘Whiskey’s’ pronouncements to the general feel of the thing. 1. No organization. If there is one, it must be a ‘Gault’s Gulch’ one as it is not obviously manifested. It must be able to function heavily infiltrated by government informants. 2. The “Yes we need it but not in my backyard syndrome”. People involved must be heroes meaning that they must be prepared to sacrifice their wealth, possessions, and many other things to keep our country. I wonder how many of those there are around.
hell, there’s a lot of ‘em around here. I’d say, 254 local organizational structures just fo’ starters.
#51, Buddy, RE Ho Chi Senators,
I’ll bet you’re right about John Kerry.
Not unrelated: Anyone notice Hillary’s Mandarin Orange jumpsuit the other day? She landed in India wearing it, and the suit roared “Look at me!” as she declared to Indians that “America is Back!”
Having never seen an American wearing such a gaudy hue I had questions. Well, turns out orange silk is a departmental color straight out of the Chinese Imperial court. It wasn’t a jester’s coda, but the color did represent a tranche of the Emperor’s indentured clerks.
So, just as folks’ll wear “power red” for an important meeting, or a silver-haired dame will dye her hair a Barbara Walters Red to gain a psychlogical advantage o’er a younger “upstart” competitor in a faculty meeting, Hill’s donning of Mandarin Orange silk for her “America’s Back” tour of SE Asia was attention-grabbing and suggestive.
I’ve believed for some time now that the Clintons’ real constituency is in Beijing, Jakarta and The Hague, not America, per se. The “first couple” from Arkansas, along with their “global test-er” democrat(ic)s, left America a long, long time ago.
steveaz/59; just a run thru what little is on the net (the scandals pre-date so much ‘net’) but the repeated –and never explained –conjunctions of the Clintons (and their DoJ in Janet Reno’s hands) and –just off the top of my head –the Loral Co’s traded/sold off ultra top secret weapons specs, that inexplicable Los Alamos & Win Ho Lee story, and all those Riady family (representing the Chinese military) iceberg-tips that mysteriously vanished from the news far far short of resolution, do add lots of credence to your feeling. In fact one could call it “proof”.
I noticed the clothing too, and agree that it contained a message ( way too bold not to) and first thought was, that’s a Buddhist color, worn as a note of salute. But that really doesn’t make much sense, come to think of it.
53. Robohobo:
… In Mexico there are two classes of people. There are the “Spaniards” and the “Indios”. The former are quite light skinned and are the upper class. The latter are the product of the former’s intermixing with the natives who were very dark. Mestizo is another term for them. The two classes DO NOT mix.
Not quite. In Mexico there are three classes. The moneyed class, mostly fair skinned; the Meztizos, as described above; the Indos, dark skinned people who mostly live in the mountains whose way of life has not significantly changed since the Conquista 500+ years ago. This latter class is seldom seen and universally despised, these indeed do not mix with the rest of Mexican society. The mass of Mestizos do not mix with the wealthy save as servants or in service roles such as hairdressers, etc.
Yet skin color is secondary, although fair skin is considered more beautiful. What defines the difference between the classes is money. If you have the money you are in the upper class, if you don’t you’re not. Nor is it hereditary. I knew the founder of the Tres Estrellas bus company, obviously a Mestizo, who worked his way up from being an ordinary bus driver to owning one of the largest bus companies in Mexico. His skin and features are no obstacle to membership in the country club. I have seen the scion of a wealthy family squander his inheritance and drop into the great mass of population to make his way as a beggar.
In Mexico skin color means little, money is all.
Robohobo:
Look, I know very well that many places in the Americas are racially divided, Mexico being among them.
One form of racism that in Latin America that USA Americans need to understand is Peninsulare racism. That is, racism against native born white people by anybody born in Spain. There was a time when pan-Americanism was a means to combat the predominance of the Peninsulares. There are reasons why the American Constitution requires the President to be native born.
Nowadays, an offshoot of peninsulare racism exists in America where higher status is given to people who just got off the boat or who are the first generation descended from immigrants. Hence, the adulation given to Fidel Castro, Barack Obama, and Sonia Sotomayor. Each, in his or her own way, is the first generation descended from a modern day peninsulare. (Fidel Castro’s parents really did come from Spain, by the way.) It is an essential aspect of neo-peninsulare racism to call the US “a nation of immigrants”.
What Marxism has done in Latin America is give the old Peninsulare regime new life, and far from empowering anybody, its regime of state control is the same old Spanish statism running the same old haciendas under a different banner.
What worries me about the constant drumbeat from a certain poster about an alliance of “blacks, women, hispanics, and yuppies” to bring down “the working class white man” is that his call for a race-based reaction may very well succeed in transforming opposition against Obama from one based upon economic and social ideology (which may have appeal to like minded people) to one based upon a narrow ethnic base that is easily isolated.
One danger I see to basing opposition upon ethnicity is that it plays straight into Obama’s hands. He wants opponents to resort to racial appeals because that will solidify his political base. Whenever one assumes that an Indian is an enemy, he will become one. Some of the strongest opposition against Hugo Chavez in Venezuela has come from Indians due to his crackdown on missionaries; opposition against Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua has historically come from Miskito Indians; Evo Morales faces resentment from Aymara Indians. Are we to throw political opportunities straight into the garbage because of Whiskey’s demand for mobilization based upon white grievance?
I think there is wisdom in reaching out to opponents of modern day “Marxist” caudillos and making alliances wherever possible, as opposed to mobilizing upon narrow ethnic ground that would cut us off from natural allies.
Alexis – One small point. Evo Morales is an Aymara who are thought to be Inca descendants. So, his own resent him? Mmmm, not quite.
I used Inca because most do not recognize the other name.
And I believe that ‘certain’ poster refers to the situation in the US, nothing else, but I may be reading it wrong. I will tell you as an erstwhile gringo type, the guy makes sense. I feel it everyday. I have been passed over for jobs because I was told the company had to make an affirmative action hire mandated by HR by the hiring manager (who was a close acquaintance). Discrimination against white men is real in the US today.
Robohobo:
In Bolivia, there are considerable tensions between the Quechua and Aymara. Although Evo Morales is Aymara, he went out of his way to learn Quechua. He may claim Inca ancestry, but such claims should be seen as spurious unless he provides proof. He claims to be the first Indian president, and that isn’t true either; he wouldn’t even be the first Bolivian president to claim Inca ancestry! Right now, the principal standard bearer of opposition against the Chavistas is Victor Hugo Cardenas, an ethnic Aymara. Earlier this year, Cardenas’s home was ransacked and members of his family were attacked by a pro-Morales mob. As a rule, one should be open to alliances with those who oppose one’s enemies. Should Victor Hugo Cardenas win against the Chavistas, he deserves a warm welcome by free loving people everywhere, especially in the Americas.
I too have felt the sting of anti-white racism, and I am well aware of how resentment has been mounting against anti-white racism for the past forty years. I think there are three approaches, the “White Uncle Tom” approach that accepts affirmative action as appropriate, the “White Power” approach appeals to resentments of “white working class people”, and a “civil rights” approach that advocates equality before the law for all people regardless of skin color, sex, ethnicity, or national origin. I am well aware of how political elites (on both sides of the aisle) cynically use affirmative action to stifle dissent.
My views could be considered as “paleoliberal” in some respects, for the reasons I oppose affirmative action parallel the reasons given by Clarence Thomas as opposed to the reasons given by David Duke. Whenever fighting a conflict, one needs to consider the day after victory. What kind of nation should America be after the Obama regime is defeated? I want a nation where one is judged by the content of one’s character.
I wonder why Obama would be motivated to not support a citizenry protecting its Constitutional form of government from a leader who attempts to abrogate it???