Left to ourselves
Eli Saslow chronicles the slow decline of Greenwood, SC during the first 100 days of the Obama administration in the Washington Post. It’s a town with unemployment over 11%, with people unable to pay their bills, pay for heating. It’s a place where old ladies have only a box of grits in the cupboard. It’s an story centered on the efforts of a city councilwoman that is without villains; but it is also one without transcendent heroes.
It was nobody’s fault, really, that councilwoman Edith Childs had such high expectations. She followed the election of Barack Obama with mounting expectation and rode the slow trajectory of disappointment to its still-plunging depths. Slowly it dawned on her that Obama had no box of magic tricks in his repertoire; that nothing that would stave off the relentless deluge of bills in the mailboxes of her constituents and slowly shrinking job base of her community.
Across the dark living room, one of Childs’s favorite pictures is displayed on a worn coffee table. It shows Childs with her arms wrapped around Barack Obama, his hand on her back, her eyes glowing. They met at a rally attended by 37 supporters on a rainy day in 2007, when Childs responded to Obama’s sluggishness on stage with an impromptu chant: “Fired up! Ready to go!” She repeated it, shouting louder each time, until Obama laughed and dipped his shoulders to the rhythm. The chant caught on. “Fired up!” people began saying at rallies. “Ready to go,” Obama chanted back. He told audiences about Childs, “a spirited little lady,” and invited her onstage at campaign appearances. By the day of his inauguration, when Childs led a busload of strangers bound for the Mall in her now-iconic chant, her transformation was complete. She was Edith Childs, fired up and ready to go.
But now, as Obama nears the 100-day milestone of his presidency, Childs suffers from constant exhaustion. In a conservative Southern state that bolstered Obama’s candidacy by supporting him early in the Democratic primaries, she awakens at 2:30 a.m. with stress headaches and remains awake mulling all that’s befallen Greenwood since Obama’s swearing-in.
The unasked question in Saslow’s article is whether or not Greenwood, SC isn’t a glimpse into the future of other places across America. What happens if 11% unemployment or worse becomes the norm rather than the exception? Will they become places where people have given up on magic politics and turn to working the phones, paring the cheese more thinly and racking their brains in search of ways to make ends meet? Atheists have long imagined a world without belief God; but are we prepared for something philosophically rarer: a world without a belief in politicians? Or will the opposite occur? Will a downturn, taken far enough, result in a desperate search for extreme political solutions by a people tired of making applications without result, of making job calls without return? Men on white horses are far more common in history than nations with a belief only in themselves. Except in America, the first country in modern times to try the tides without a king are men on white horses rare. But the ocean is wide, perhaps endless; and the distant shore behind still beckons to those who imagine safety there.
Albert Camus in the Plague described a world suspended on the edge of a decision; a curiously quiet place of private struggle above which an invisible cloud hovered. It is always a world that can go one way or the other.
“Only a few ships, detained in quarantine, were anchored in the bay. But the gaunt, idle cranes on the wharves, tip-carts lying on their sides, neglected heaps of sacks and barrels — all testified that commerce, too, had died of plague.”
“It was the time when, acting under orders, the café-proprietors deferred as long as possible turning on their lights. Gray dusk was seeping into the room, the pink of sunset glowed in the wall mirrors, and the marble-topped tables glimmered white in the gathering darkness.”
“They found nobody on the terrace — only three empty chairs. On one side, as far as eye could reach, was a row of terraces, the most remote of which abutted on a dark, rugged mass that they recognized as the hill nearest the town. On the other side, spanning some streets and the unseen harbor, their gaze came to rest on the horizon, where sea and sky merged in a dim, vibrant grayness. Beyond a black patch that they knew to be the cliffs a sudden glow, whose source they could not see, sprang up at regular intervals; the lighthouse at the entrance of the harbor was still functioning for the benefit of ships that, passing Oran’s unused harbor, went on to other ports along the coast. In a sky swept crystal-clear by the night wind, the stars showed like silver flakes, tarnished now and then by the yellow gleam of the revolving light. Perfumes of spice and warm stone were wafted on the breeze. Everything was very still.”
It was waiting, and still waits, for us.






It seems that some believed that once BO was sworn in as POTUS, all would be well, change would be immediate. That is where the problem lies for people like Childs. It doesn’t happen that fast. And, with what BO has done, it won’t happem for a long time. Things will indeed get much worse before they get better. My fear is that the changes that BO is makeing means that they will never be as good as the good old days of 2006 or 2007.
“but are we prepared for something philosophically rarer: a world without a belief in politicians?”
Surely we are there already! Think of the 80% of Americans who polls say have no confidence in the Congress which they elected. Or the 1/3 of US citizens who chose not to vote in the last election. Or the pathetically low turnout for local elections across the US.
Maybe we should be talking about getting prepared for a world in which people refuse to obey laws passed by politicians they deplore. Trying driving at the speed limit on any highway, and count the vehicles passing. We are getting close.
We are already in a world where the political system is supported largely by its own momentum. What happens when such a system faces a severe external challenge — be it Al Qaeda or a Chinese refusal to buy more US Treasury bonds?
Wretchard, what scares me is simple. Lack of joy and exuberance. The left is completely joyless. They never seem to laugh from pure enjoyment in the simple things of life. Their laughter is dark and hollow, like the evil snickering over “tea-bagging”. Darkness is often a metaphor for evil, but I think it truly derives from the dark, nihilistic view that permeates the left.
When no one finds joy in excelling, joy in solving problems, joy in producing goods that can be sold and meet other’s needs as well as providing a comfortable living for the craftsmen, darkness truly permeates every nook and cranny of life. A plague like no other. Antibiotics will not help stem its spread, but the simple laughter of a child can drive it back.
I have come to despise the left. I would not mind if, in their apparent self loathing, they all chose to blight their own lifes, but they seem to derive a rancid pleasure from spreading the blight among the freer spirits in the world.
I realize all of the above is oversimplification but as I watch the seemingly endless acceleration of destruction of the culture and civilization that I treasure, …damn, this tea I’m drinking is particularly good tonight.
Obama will naturally disappoint his base as he is incapable of leading…he has zero experience other than campaigning and making promises to play to his audience. His first 100 days will be celebrated as a great victory by the left wing media, but the hard reality is that he’s incapable of meeting the high hopes and expectations that he raised on the campaign trail. The godlike adoration and Hollywood celebrity status he now holds will diminish rapidly once he is challenged “and tested by an unexpected international crisis” as predicted by jumping Joe Biden. The US electorate and the world is looking for adroit leadership to steer us through the financial melt down and economic recession and deeply desires a president with a steady hand on the wheel of the ship of state. Unfortunately the Obamanation soon will discover that instead of a captain at the helm, we have elected a sea scout who cant read a compass or a chart. The next 100 days will truly tell the tale as fast moving world events are looking a lot like 1939 and Obama’s “Peace in our time” world view and lack of leadership experience will surely be tested.
If ARPA-E is anywhere near as successful as DARPA–then in the long run things will be just fine. But right now its not looking much like the next couple years will be so nice.
Mercury News Washington Bureau
Posted: 03/02/2009 12:00:00 AM PST
Deep in the $787 billion stimulus bill that became law two weeks ago is $400 million to launch ARPA-E, the Advanced Research Projects Authority for Energy. It’s modeled after the Pentagon’s DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which took on Soviet technology [after Sputnik] and gave us online shopping in the process.
That said, the big dangers from the obama admin. may not be in economics.
They really did think Obama was going to pay their bills.
They did mention the tea party protest. 200 people in a small town is quite a few.
Sometimes we want things so bad that we must imagine them to be so against the remorseless onslaught of reality. I imagine though that there are those who will cling onto the fantasy of hope and glory unto their doom, our doom. Like the commissars of a failed Soviet Union who await the second coming of a dream that never was. The power of this fantasy will out live this downturn and the Leftist Leader 4 Life will live on through his armies of civil vigilance. Visions of The herald dream ringing from the mountain tops shall return and her name is vengeance.
Sometimes we are damned by the things we love, especially when they are our dreams.
sigintel@4:
“he has zero experience other than campaigning..” There is no question that Obama conducted a great campaign, mainly on the strength of his ability to move people emotionally with his oratorical skills. But oratory by itself does not equate to effective leadership. Whether Obama realizes this or not, his MO since taking office has been to continue in campaign mode. Every day he is on TV making some pronouncement that is largely an appeal to fire up the people in the hope of making them ready to go. Before very long, it will be apparent to most people that his presidency cannot be measured using the same metrics that were used prior to November 4th.
Programmer,
I’m glad you’re enjoying your tea. I took a glider ride today, and really enjoyed that.
I cherish every pleasure I can, and every relationship I have.
But dang, it’s hard to be cheery when the America we knew–for all its faults–has been plunged over a cliff into darkness.
What I’d give just to have it back the way it was January 19.
Just to add…
put me down as having ODS–Obama Depression Syndrome.
Sigintel @4 noted that Obama is “incapable of leading.”
As one who teaches courses in leadership and management for a living, I have very definite ideas about what is and is not effective leadership. In my estimation Obama fell far short of the mark long before he took office. To my eyes his lack of executive acumen was glaringly obvious and I worry that the depths of his ineptitude have not yet been fathomed.
One thing that concerned me about candidate Obama was his complete lack of high level executive or leadership experience prior to declaring his candidacy. Last fall I noted in conversation with a colleague that whereas the top Republican candidates all had been governors, mayors, private sector executives and/or held military command roles, the Democrats’ top three were all lawyers.
Recently I dug into this trend a little more deeply. Using Wikipedia I looked over the bios of all 43 presidents prior to Obama. Every single one of them has had at least one of three types of executive experience prior to becoming the Commander in Chief:
* they served in the defense of the country, in the military, at ranks from a 1st lieutenant to Supreme Allied Commander, and/or
* they were Governors of US states or territories and/or
* they served as Vice-President or as secretary of one of the major departments of the government, e.g. State, War/Defense, Commerce
By my reading of the bios on wikipedia, among our 44 presidents BHO is the only one lacking these three types of leadership or executive experience. While none of the three is guaranty of being a good president, I am not encouraged about the prospects of anyone so wholly lacking in them.
I think that the right way to understand his campaigning was the phrase “willing suspension of disbelief.”
If, no when, he fails, the Media and his adoring fans will, of course, blame those “mean Republicans”, and lash out in the hateful spite that programmer elucidates.
Anger and failure will dog Obama and this country for years. Cap and Trade, if it passes the Congress, will shut down about 25% of the electrical generating capacity in Ohio within a few years, due to the age and cost of modifications of old coal-fired power plants. The short term alternative will be to quickly build gas turbine generators (from GE, no less, what a coincidence), which will drive up natural gas prices along with higher electric prices. This should drive another nail in the coffin of the steel and auto industries in Ohio (along with all the rest), so permanent 10% unemployment is not just a daydream, it’s more than likely.
Do I hear 20%?
But sustainable energy supplies are just around the corner, as my 6th grade son is learning in grade school. So hey, we’ll all be saved. As I began to disabuse him of the notions he has been instructed with in school, he remarked that his science teacher had never told them anything like this. Well, there’s a surprise. The children and the simple minded are already prepared to slit their own throats.
Somewhere, the nihilistic leftists that programmer loathes are laughing at this dark, hollow comedy.
WSL and Dr.T….the inevitable OFS (Obama Fatigue Syndrome)is here. This may be worse than the great influenza outbreak of 1918 …oops wrong crisis. I simply click past the channel or mute when I see the Big 0 because it all sounds the same.
The Councilwoman is black. I’m wondering how many of the messages she gets every day from people looking from handouts are also black. Black people voted overwhelmingly for That Person, forgetting that you gets what you pays for.
The Councilwoman and her constituents voted for Obama because they *did* expect him to figure out a way to pay their mortgages and fill their gas tanks for free. And you know damned well that if he can come up with a plan to steal from the (white) rich and give it to them – for free — they’ll be in the streets tomorrow morning cheering him on.
I just don’t understand why people seem to think they are somehow ENTITLED to have their phone and heating bills paid. It would be nice in a utopian paradise of unicorns and universal love that no one ever had to get up in the morning and go to work and could still count on food, heat, transportation and entertainment but when or where has that *ever* happened in the history of humanity?
If Obama ever gets it together to start a new FDR-type project of paving the country’s roads and dam-building, I wonder how many of the people leaving the Councilwoman messages to pay their bills for them will consent to go out into the hot sunshine and do *that* sort of work for the government.
The only higher power that the left believes in is government, and their growth in influence bespeaks the popularity of that outlook. It is therefore our government’s responsibility to solve all of our woes for us.
The economy will inevitably recover, and probably well within the Obama presidency. He will reap the benefits of this, but all who love liberty and see government as a necessary evil and not a panacea will be hating life by the time this is all over.
I have never in my life before now feared in any real sense that in the United States it could get bad enough that people would have to forcibly reassert their inalienable rights before a government that wished to be that higher power. It is now a creeping concern in the back of mind, and it is not fading.
The government will never be my higher power.
WSL:
“Before very long, it will be apparent to most people that his presidency cannot be measured using the same metrics that were used prior to November 4th.”
Then how is it to be measured? Please expand that idea.
a world without a belief in politicians?
America has been different. Just ask any tax collector, as I have. People historically obeyed the law, perhaps because it was theirs. Kinuachdrach‘s road warriors were a special case. Americans have traditionally been less devoted to conformist procedure than the English middle class, whether in queuing or in deportment. That is probably changing across the pond as yob culture spreads. We are however still far more self disciplined on average than most foreigners when it comes to acceding to procedures designed to avoid taking unfairly from others. That is to say that for all the Jacksonian rhetoric about being a nation of common men Americans tend to be polite. Compare their compliance with that of a group of Russians who turn into a pushing mob whenever there is no one with a weapon around or the Italians who appear to be mystifies by the concept of almost universal voluntary tax compliance that has prevailed in the US.
It is a mark of the Protestant heritage that being self supporting was seen as a mark of a good citizen and an attribute of a courteous gentleman. One of my better lessons on the rise of Capitalism included me admonishing the class to look in the mirror every evening and ask if they had created more wealth than they had consumed.
I think that the right way to understand his campaigning was the phrase “willing suspension of disbelief.”
Aside from campaigning, Obama’s only other success in life is as an author. He mastered the author’s trick of sketching the outlines and letting the
readersvoters fill in whatever details they wanted.If the media had not been his own personal cheering section, he would’ve been scupperd. A real media would have forced him to fill in some details, and the details would’ve shattered that willing suspension of disbelief.
But then ultimately the fools like this councilwoman are to blame. In her case, too much pride in her skin color. In other cases, I think they’re just dolts.
Whatever, I’ve as little sympathy for dissapointed Obama Voters as I do for Madoff’s victims. You can’t cheat an honest man, and Obama is cheating a lot of folks who thought they were getting something for nothing.
Rhetoric can clash against iconography. Whenever a political leader talks about empowering the people (or at least his own supporters), he undermines his message if he uses imagery usually reserved for saints, messiahs, and deities. As always, iconography wins over rhetoric. So, whenever the rhetoric and the iconography disagree, the iconography should be seen as the accurate depiction of the real political message.
One cannot build a social movement upon the exaltation of a political leader. When one worships a political leader who prances around on a white horse or walks around as if he were an avatar of the rising sun, it hardly matters to his adherents what he actually says and it hardly matters what the fine print says because the real message he adherents hear is that this man is so wonderful that he will make sure everything is okay.
The basis of Barack Obama’s appeal is intensely patriarchal. He appeals to a feeling that his magic touch would heal everything. He inspires an intense loyalty from supporters who expect him to accomplish miracles.
The irony here is that if I truly believed in patriarchy, I might actually have supported him. It is precisely my loyalty to the principles of democratic republicanism and my aversion to hero worship that lead me into opposition. My awareness of the example of Shabbatai Zevi leads me to be deeply skeptical of any notion that would suggest that my support of any particular man, religion, or political movement would bring about universal redemption or a “healing of the world”.
JMH,
I’ve as little sympathy for dissapointed Obama Voters as I do for Madoff’s victims
Most of Madoff’s victims weren’t the lazy and arrogant plutocrats who he glad handed at a country club. They include the groundkeepers at the Botanical Garden, the animals at the Zoo, the scholarship students at colleges, and people with any connection to a web of charities including many that had no funds with him but now face no support from vanished donors and a government that will devote a shrunken pot only to special interest groups. His victims include the people who had never heard of Madoff and who had their funds sent to him by other supposedly reputable managers. I have far more sympathy for Madoff’s victims than I do for the disappointed Obama supporters.
The deep stain of bigotry that underlay most of the support for Obama must be confronted. When Colin Powell turned on John McCain he should have been called out and pounded. The most galling thing is that it was simply accepted that flagrant racism in support of Obama would have to be accepted. Why, because challenging it would have displeased the New York Times?
One wonders just how the Washington Post decided to research, edit, and publish this story, at ths time. Its hard to believe its just by chance; any key votes coming up? One also notes – as is so often the case with MSM reporting – the very heavy emotional content, and generally poor quality of the reporting.
Free market captitalism generates incredible wealth for the societies that embrace it. It is this wealth that provides economic opportunity for the able, and the surplus to allow (from those so inclined) charity for those who truly cannot provide for themselves. Free market capitalism has done more than anything else in history to raise people from poverty and improve the average human condition.
The Democrats are, of course, doing their very best to destroy free market capitalism. If they succeed, they will condemn these people, and tens of millions of others, to perpertual poverty. Its for the children, I guess.
What exactly was Obama supposed to do in 100 days to fix a global financial crisis? He couldn’t, no matter what he did. It’s the misplaced faith in one person that’s the problem.
Nahncee
This lady should get in touch with those people on the South Side of Chicago that the Community Organizer helped back in the ’90′s. That worked out particularly well. And Valerie Jarret is in his White House Cabinet too. They all walked away with money and street cred, and those poor people they were supposed to “help” are still waiting.
Still waiting.
Fun times ahead.
Fun times.
John
I agree that there is not a lot that he could do in his first 100 days to “fix” the root causes of the problems that have been building for years in the credit, banking and finance markets.
But he could speak more clearly about what it is he can do.
He could have found someone competent and not a bumbler like Geithner to be Treasury Secretary. Volker is on his team of Economic Advisers, and the word is he keeps him at arms length.
He is still having trouble filling cabinet positions. There are a lot of competent, intelligent and able Democrats who COULD fill cabinet slots, but they are standing off or have not been asked.
He could have stayed away from Cap and Trade this year, which, if passed, is going to greatly increase costs for electricity, which will not help productivity. This creates doubt among many, doesn’t it?
He could have stayed away from the “Stimulus” package, which is nothing if not political payoffs to many Democrat constituencies. Even a lot of loyal Democrats are skeptical of this. More doubt.
He knew what was expected on Jan 20, and frankly was not prepared with his cabinet or with clear policies.
Obama could have fired up the Military Procurement process. Built three or four times the budgeted amounts of F-22′s. Crash ship-building to soak up unemployment. New bombers, and so forth.
New Orleans in 1940 had about 50% unemployment, measured in real terms. It was nominally about 33% or so. It quickly went to 100% employment as Higgins laid on three shifts at all three factories, 24/7. To make LSTs and such. THAT is what Obama could have done.
He chose not to, because he believes in his own hatred for America. Mixed in a toxic stew of anti-White racism, magical thinking, debased volk Marxism, SWPL yuppie magical thinking, he really does think lots of speeches, hating America, and making it weak will work magic.
What we are likely to see is first, lots of bitterly disappointed Blacks, who will vent their outrage on first Whites and then Obama. Blacks really did think he’d fill their gas tanks and pay their mortgages by taking money from Whites.
Second, we will see 25% or more permanent unemployment as Obama makes the US into a hell-hole with Green cap and trade, carbon limits, etc.
Third, a series of military crises abroad, mostly an Alamo like last stand defeat and Bataan Death March slaughter of our forces in Afghanistan, cut off from supply by Taliban-led Pakistan, Iran and North Korea going nuclear and ICBM success respectively, Russia taking over Georgia, Israel nuking Iran for survival and a wider Mid-East war spiking oil up to $200 a gallon, and lots of Bombay style attacks followed by the nuking of at least NYC and probably several others as well through Taliban-pals AQ courtesy of their new nukes.
In desperation, the remaining non-SWPL, non-Black/Hispanic/Gay/Female Americans will turn indeed to a man on the White Horse. Previous deep recessions had either the Frontier or FDR’s Man on the White Horse which put pointedly White majorities first in programs/employment. Now the majority is being told to suffer for it’s sins while Yuppies parade with Iphones.
The Man on the White Horse might be a temporary military leader eager to get back to his own life, or it might be someone worse. A Ross Perot meets Ron Paul. The recession and lack of any plan by Clinton/Bush propelled Perot to large leads before he flaked out.
Obama hates this country and Americans more than he loves power. I guess you can say that about him. So too do his coalition of SWPL Yuppies, Gays, Hispanics, Blacks, Women etc. Under circumstances where the recession was not that bad, and we did not have huge defeats abroad and at home, dead US cities, Obama’s gamble to destroy the nation in order to save it for SWPL / Marxist fantasies mixed with Academia would have been a slam dunk.
But all the female-friendly Media fawning over Obama the Big Man will not disguise his failure to provide even the basics for most people, and will lead to his removal I believe in one form or another. The man is simply incapable of doing anything for America, given he hates the nation so. He IS Rev. Wright in better clothes and phrasing.
Anger and failure will dog Obama and this country for years. Cap and Trade, if it passes the Congress, will shut down about 25% of the electrical generating capacity in Ohio within a few years, due to the age and cost of modifications of old coal-fired power plants.
E. Nigma, I was here in the 70′s when the enviros and the left eviscerated the steel industry. Now, it’s autos and inexpensive energy. The 70′s is when I got my swine flu shot. We really are redoing the Decade, but in distilled, concentrated form.
Or maybe it some version of the 1930′s. We’ll know when the trials of the “Wreckers” begin.
I don’t put a lot of hope in “ARPA-E” myself. Our problems going forward will be our system of incentives, which will likely be upside down and backwards. The Soviet Union produced a lot of good science. They also produced a lot of bad science. But they did not have a good system for separating the good from the bad and keeping politics out of it. Nor was their economic system good at picking up and applying technological advances. That’s where we are headed, though we are not quite there yet.
But already we can see: At the research stage it is a go. At the development stage it is a slow. At the application stage it is a stop. In fact only the application of much political will from Washington will get anything moving. Using the Pentagon Procurement methods for the US economy is not my idea of progress. In fact after all this political hot air turns into a serial fart is when I expect the trial of “Wreckers” to begin. You see, all those people who said, “This ain’t going to quite work” must have sabotaged everything!
Heave-ho boys. Put your back to it!
Perhaps the saddest part of this article on a sad little town in my home state is: “She disliked Greenwood’s plans to build a road between her neighborhood and a new housing project, so she filed a lawsuit and dragged it out for five years until she won.”
But Greenwood is said to be so far from everywhere, and it is so hard to get anywhere. And maybe that is because people like Childs, “activists”, won’t let them build some roads because it personally offends them.
You see so much of this. They want to “make it on their own” and they seem to be saying “my way” more often than Frank Sinatra, but the fact it, theirs is the way that got them where they are today.
Industry is bad; capitalism is evil, development equals global warming. But they need Jobs. And their answer to this set of contradictory beliefs is to elect Obama.
This just reminds me of the old canard that a Communist is someone who has nothing, and wants to share it with everyone else.
I must admit Obama has done much better than I expected…….which ain’t sayin’ that much!
Whiskey sees the most pessimistic leftist Obama
groupie and raises him everything. If you believe in our nation’s heritage and resilience, then maybe, just maybe, we’ll rally and survive this also. Making O the inevitable destroyer of all we love and cherish is every bit as unreal as as his leftist apple polishers.
4. sigintel:
Obama will naturally disappoint his base as he is incapable of leading…
Normally, it is a good thing. For you hope these people would finally wake up to reality.
Unfortunately, Obama supporters will first and always find faults in others. It will be those do not support President Obama (because of his policies) who will get the blunt of their rage.
They exist only from one rage to the next, there is never a in-between.
One Belmont Clubber a day or two ago said something that really resonated for me. I’m sorry I can’t remember who it was, or even the thread on which the comment appeared, and I hope I am not dishonoring him or her by not even getting the idea right, but here is the gist as I remember it:
“Whenever you listen to Obama speak, say to yourself, that’s all well and good, and might be nice if it could be done. But how is he going to do it? Lots of other people have tried the same things, and they have completely failed.
“If you are a person who works with how, Obama’s rhetoric leaves you completely unmoved.”
Jamie Irons
11. starling:
Some argued before the Nov 4 election that candidate Obama had led his campaign for two years, which served as his executive experience. Since he was winning, and actually won the election, most thought “OK, he knew what was required to be a leader.”
In this case, I defer to Sarkozy’s assessment of our President O: inexperienced and indecisive, ‘not always up to standard on decision-making and efficiency’, and ‘there are a certain number of things on which (Obama) has no position’.
While I understand ‘for a certain number of things’ President Obama is not obligated to inform Sarkozy about his stands, but it looks BAD for other friendly head of state openly dismiss the POTUS.
Look up the Soviet agricultural scientist Trofim Denisovitch Lysenko.
This will shed some light on the lurching political correctness of the “Global Warming” catechism and all the other worldviews the Left is shoving down our throats.
Watch for the “Photoshopped” removal from the public record of those who fall from grace. We’ve already seen how quickly the staff of Harken revised and sanitized his Wikipedia entry when his lies were spotted.
The impulse predates mud tablets. It’s just the technologies that change.
Not everyone is disappointed in O. I work for a large county welfare agency in California. We are getting “stimulus” funds to subsidize employment for 1,000 welfare recipients. Our welfare recipients are so happy! “The gubmint gots us some jobs!”
We will pay employers to hire these people and we will pay their wages for 90 days. The employer pays nothing.
Sadly, as my experience here has taught me, 99% of those “jobs” will end once the subsidies are gone. Our clients rarely make it though 30 days before they wander off…to “busy” to make it to work.
Google up Sarkozy and the hostage kids and try to see O in that situation.
Politicians have been promising the moon for votes for so long, the electorate has a bare majority who think they can actually deliver.
Jamie Irons #31:
Your comment causes me to think back to when Hillary Clinton “suspended” her campaign. After her announcement she started up a chant with some of her supporters, “We are going to stop the genocide in Darfur, support education, ensure access of healthcare…” The whole PC litany in the form of a pep rally chant.
Nothing is impossible for the man who does not have to do it himself.
But the really insurmountable problem is not just that the Obamas and Hillarys and Edith Childs in Greenwood don’t know how to do it. They want it done in only a certain kind of way. No Regime Change in Sudan because that would be messy and too Bush-like. No effectiveness tests for teachers or their students because the Teacher’s Unions don’t want that. No better private healthcare because the AARP doesn’t want that. And don’t build that new road to help Greenwood’s economy because Edith Childs does not like it. And so on, on down the list of problems and solutions.
In other words, fix all of the above with none of the options listed below – and we have no other options and it’s all your fault.
John Lynch,
To add to the list of Whiskey and others, there are at least a few other things he could do:
• Massively cut taxes. Even leftard economists like Paul Krugman are worried that this is going to be a “L” shaped recovery, ( no recovery from a very deep bottom) because there is nothing out there to pull this economy of the deep recession it is sliding into. Not housing, with what Fannie and Freddie have done. Not Exports. To whom? And of course not tax cuts. That would be unfair! It’s all about fairness you know.
One of the big bank CEO’s recently admitted that banks were not going to begin lending any time soon. Why? Because the financial condition of potential borrowers is still deteriorating, which will accelerate once we get cap n’ trade, Universal Health Care and other Obama goodies.
• Massively invest in off shore oil drilling and shale oil. That would provide lots of real jobs, cut our overseas debt obligations, shore up the dollar in these times of an eroding dollar, and help get control of our energy supply.
• Take a cleaver to the Federal Bureaucracy and cut the regulatory red tape and restructure the tax code to allow America to manufacture here in abundance again. Again more jobs, more wealth here at home.
• Really get rid of Mark to Market, not the sort of- with strings attached -changes recently announced. Mark to Market just accelerates the financial distress and bad times, by emphasizing declines in balance sheet asset market value.
• Dismember the big banks and investment banks into smaller entities. The huge concentration of Wall Street wealth and power clearly led to the CDS/CDO/ Fannie and Freddie abuses and the relaxing of Banking Reserves which are a major reason we are in this mess. All the major banks were involved in naked short selling, and were heavily shorting each other just before the collapse- a reason alone to indict ‘em all. Read Simon Johnson’s ” The Quiet Coup” which details the seriously corrupt relationship between Washington and Wall Street
If starting in November, Obama has laid out a program like this, the economy would be on the road to recovery right now! There would be real hope for a better future, not the hope ‘n change dread most everyone is feeling now.
Yes, to summarize for John Lynch, O could have avoided doing everything that is wrong and done some of the things that are right.
The prevailing problem is that He and His represent and breathe an inversion of reality, a delusion that control, rather than freedom, is what life and truth are about. The lies are so thick that they are layered into every syllable that they utter. Even the tone, the laughter, the radiated humanity are false and dark.
We are circling around a black hole and many of us will be sucked down as the deceptions, frustrations, persecutions, and lamentations increase. Those of us who make it will do so because, like the grass that makes it through the blacktop, we remain aware of, and stay connected to those who are not confused about, where and what the sun is.
“Worse is Better”
–V.I. Lenin
As far as i can tell, from close-watching “tells” –this is the backdrop against which O & crew intend to continually dramatize small populist gifts to ‘the people’. Think of being a hungry gulag inmate, and a smiling Kommandant O wandering by from time to time and smilingly giving you a potato.
It is more than the absence of any executive experience. Here is bright man who knows little about the world around him. While he as been able to acquire educational degrees from some of the highest ranked schools in the country (and presumably did well grade wise at these institutions) he learned little from and by that experience. Once away from the teleprompter the man has little meaningful things to say – which is why he struggles so hard to put together a coherent statement. His lack of virtyally any knowledge of our history, culture and economics is incomprehensible. Becasue of his lack of understanding of our world, he has no idea what to do. Witness the “stimulus package”. When Wall Street and bank employees are losing their jobs – he proposes to fund “shovel ready” government projects as if we were all back in the 1930′s where the majority of workers labored with their hands and sweat.
The fact of the matter is that Mr. Obama’s view of the world is tied to a myth and it is the only thing he has. He has no idea what the people of Greenwood or any other regular community need. But more importantly he doesn’t really care. His goal is not to help people. His goal is to control people. It is no wonder the people of Greenwood are tired.
Removing disposable income from the middle class is a feature of the Obama economic plan rather than a bug.
Ask yourself this question: If you were intentionally trying to wreck an economy, what would you do differently than has been done over the past 3 months?
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Ask yourself this question: If you were intentionally trying to wreck an economy, what would you do differently than has been done over the past 3 months? –suggest addendum, ‘considering that you want to preserve at least the shred of deniability in re your intent’.
–George Orwell, Part 3, Chapter 6, 1984
The alcoholism rate should give us an indicator of how many have opted for brain death.
maineman/38 approaches poetry with painful truth.
Camus hadn’t an inkling. Read the chapter in Atlas Shrugged that deals with Starnesville.
It’s much more realistic.
Reading the article, I got the sense that what the writer really wanted to convey was this: there are a number of insensitive middle class Tea Party protesters who are whining about their taxes while the brave councilwoman tries to alleviate unspeakable suffering. Shame on those greedy, self-centered tax protesters.
This isn’t about Obama, trangbang68…not really. Obama is simply the perfect manifestation of the perfectly lethal disease that is Leftist ideology.
Obama can’t do anything. That’s up to Congress…which is infested with indoctrinated Leftists…who were put there by indoctrinated Americans.
As for Whiskey’s pessism, it is right on the money, and I think that you are indulging in the same type of wishful thinking that the Left wallows in, naively believing that “it will all work out somehow”.
No. It won’t.
In human society, govt is a necessary evil. But make no mistake about it: it IS an evil, and the US govt is no different.
Govt gives a select group of people incredible compulsory powers over other people. And throughout history, in every instance that it is allowed to grow unfettered, govt eventually turns despotic. EVERY. TIME. The ONLY defense against that happening that has been shown to work is to LIMIT GOVT POWER.
Tell me: how “limited” does this sound?:
—govt-controlled financial sector
—govt-controlled energy sector
—govt-controlled housing sector
—govt-controlled health care
—govt-controlled retirement savings
That is where the Leftists are trying to lead this nation. And they’re succeeding.
Before this govt-fueled economic collapse, the CBO was already projecting that by 2050, $1 out of every $5 produced annually by the US economy would have to be confiscated in order to meet Soc. Sec. and Medicaid/Medicare obligations — that’s 20% of ALL annual American economic output going towards funding just TWO entitlement programs.
And those projections are based on Medicaid/Medicare as it is now — not when it’s been expanded to cover everyone…and before our govt decided to run up annual deficits of nearly $1 trillion dollars per year for a decade.
Oh…and none of that takes into account the rest of the ever-increasing tax burden that Americans will be saddled with from the federal, state, and local govts.
Now, we may get lucky and have a relatively soft landing by which these entitlement programs simply collapse and we as a society adapt by returning to an older societal model…namely, that where 3 generations living under one roof again becomes the norm and we limp along for about 50 years until our societal norms realign with that model. But it will still be extemely difficult.
But that is the best case scenerio. More than likely, it’s going to be a ALOT messier than that. There will be REAL suffering…and REAL fear…and then you’re going to see the rise of REAL demagogues. The truly dangerous kind. And, unfortunately, average people will be scared enough — and angry enough — to start listening.
I have twin daughters who are still toddlers. And all I can say is “God, help them”.
The entire left is polulated by children. Whatever their age. They are emotionally children. Spoiled children. They were raised wrong and can never be salvaged. They are children who have been given whatever they have through inheritance or govermental subsidies. They cannot solve problems, it has always been someone elses job. Few makers or creators among them. As I see it there are two types of people the Users and the Makers. Users speculate in the stock market Makers invest. Users provide opportunistic service to people that do not need the service in the first place and really provide nothing. Makers create products that people need to thrive. Leftist thinkers are Users. They support the people that “will not” and so these peole that “will not” in return supply votes to sustain them. Power needs to be taken back from them. Though they have voice they have no real strength. All bark and no bite. Energy must be focused on the political arena. They can be put back where they belong. They can be good followers properly lead. Somehow in the efforts at success in so many areas other than politics the real intelectual conservatives have left these people the positions of political power. It is true that we would rather build and create. We feel the satisfaction. Politcal change is slow. Long periods between the begining of effort and success and satisfaction of true improvement and change. But the right people must make the effort. The right people need to leave the pursuit of success in the private sector and take positions of political leadership. IF this doesn’t happen our country will continue to deteriorate.
Come on let’s give credit where credit is due, Obama (the first Kenyon president) is clearly the most colossal thief ever. Who in all history could have stolen General Motors.
lb philly, that is propaganda. You were handed it by the faction which you’ve just admitted has control of your thinking. Please believe this: they want you to behave as livestock, not as humanity. And only you can shake off the darkness. You will, sooner or later. Later is after much heartache, so the sooner the better, my fellow citizen.
…on re-read, i see i may’ve misinterpreted your post 180 degrees, lb philly –if so, sorry, my bad –
Props for the Camus reference. They made me read in it in high school, and I’ve always been grateful for that. Commenter Nahncee is a little harsh, but she makes a strong point. Have you ever been to a public event that promises FREE stuff? The grand opening of store, a restaurant promotion, radio station event. Look at the incredible slack-jawed idiots who show up.
That’s Obama’s base, “fired up, ready to go.”
Sounds like a rehash of Carpetbaggers and the Freedman’s Bureau only this time the head carpetbagger is half-black and a Democrat.
In my reading of history, the greatest knock on the Southern white elites was their failure (or refusal) to prepare former slaves for responsible citizenship following the Civil War. These whites have been Democratic up until Nixon. The Civil Rights era caused whites to turn Republican and the blacks to turn Democratic. Now we have a black voter population that is solid Democrat and, if this article is truly and broadly representative, incapable of self-governance.
As to ARPA-E, the problem with energy is not R&D nor tax policy, etc, but PHYSICS. The only effective energy source we haven’t fully tapped is nuclear power. Wind and solar are pointlessly diffuse and intermittent. Geothermal sorta works but resources are pretty rare.
ARPA-E is another waste of taxpayers’ money and a boondoogle for Obama’s collaborators.
“He knew what was expected on Jan 20, and frankly was not prepared with his cabinet or with clear policies.”
But I thought I read somewhere that he had a “flawless transition”. In hindsight, it seems like it was flawless because he didn’t actually do much. According to a recent article, he hasn’t even made nominations for 15 of the 19 high-level posts in the HHS department. We’re not talking about people that have pulled out, or had their nominations delayed, we’re talking about ones that simply haven’t even been nominated after more than three months. And here comes the flu (possibly). Yeah, flawless.
Powerline has an outline of what could be a plan. Massive rewarding of supporters with taxpayer money.
Treasury announced that it would require CAP applicants to set forth how they intend to use CAP funding. Notwithstanding this requirement, Treasury adamantly continues to refuse to adopt SIGTARP’s recommendation that it require CAP recipients (and indeed all TARP recipients) to report on how they actually used TARP funds. Putting aside the value of this recommendation in other TARP programs, SIGTARP submits that it is largely meaningless to require an applicant to report on its intended use of funds without setting up a mechanism to monitor its actual use of funds.
I don’t know of any way to explain Treasury’s position other than as a manifestation of the Democratic Party’s instinctive preference for cronyism over accountability.
They will pay off supporters with our money.
1. You are a serious depressive.
2. These days, that’s understandable. I’m with you and past you to some degree: I’m mostly thinking that America is O-V-E-R. Done and finished. Obama is the third worst thing that EVER happened to America. Period.
3. The second worst thing that ever happened to America is the Dem Congress since 2006. America was done then. Obama is just a show pony to confirm the point.
4. The first worst thing that ever happened to America is all – and I mean ALL – the people who voted for that particular Dem Congress and this particular President (as an aside, my opinion is that he is not “really” President because he isn’t “really” American, and that GWB was the “last” American President).
There is a worst of things. The Dem/Liberals of today are not only the worst Americans, bar none, that there ever were. They are also the worst there ever could be – for the simple reason that there can be no “America” where there are a majority of them.
5. There are, and There isn’t.
I stumbled on this site today and what can I say? How can I express my appreciation to all of you? At last, sane and thoughtful comments! This is my second such experience this month. On the 15th, at age 78, I attended my first protest and what a joyful experience it was. My fellow protesters, although angry on one level, were obviously happy to be together and we were fortunate enough to have a wonderful venue – the Alamo.
E.Nigma, I can not verify this but I read on a top-notch economics blog that Volker wanted to get the banks back to the basics of banking but of course that is not what Geithner and the banks want.
Unsk, exactly, notice throughout the article 50 people laid off here, 100 laid off there, its the ongoing layoffs that are killing them, and they don’t see that’s Obama’s doing.
.Small businesses are petrified. Obama’s promising higher taxes on them, massively higher energy costs, mandates for health insurance for their employees, decreased access to loans, increased environmental regs, cap and trade, all as a recession hits. Small businesses are doing what they have to do to survive, cut costs. Quite a few have already thrown in the towel and shut down entirely. Its not worth the huge hassle of running a small business if you’re just going to lose money and dig your family into a hole. People are battening down the hatches until the storm blows over. This isn’t going to be pretty.
Whitehall:
There were proposals before the Civil War for the Federal Government to buy the slaves freedom. Had that happened the former slaves probably would have been in a much better position to learn to become citizens. Such proposals were hated by the abolitionists, who thought slavery such an evil that it was abhorrent to pay for the slaves to be freed. The war meant that the slaves freedom was secured at the point of a gun, in the wake of burned cities and thousands of dead. It is not difficult to see the how of what resulted.
Now, I am not sure at all that had the slaves been freed by payment rather than by war that the War Between The States would not still have occurred. Ultimately, it was not a Civil War (as in two sides fighting for control of the entire country) but the War of Southern Independence. The South decided that the Union was a bad deal, since the North could control the government, to the detriment of the South. Northern industrializing states wanted high tariffs while the agrarian South wanted to buy industrial goods from either Europe or the North and sell its raw materials to the highest bidder. The South wanted a Confederacy – as in much weaker than a Union – with proper considerations given to state’s rights. Read the Confederate Constitution sometime – it is modeled on the U.S. Constitution, but with certain key differences.
Unfortunately you can’t do lots of R&D the government way. We already have 7.1% of all people employed working in the R&D sector on the private side… R&D is usually not high cost, not fast returns and not big bang for the buck. DARPA isn’t the best, although they do very good on quite a few applied and developement areas. Basic and fundamental research are areas where you don’t need much cash and can only get good people by offering a chance to work out some less well understood areas of science. Consider that Bussard made his fusion equations in the early 60′s, they were examined every which way for decades, the magnetic containment system wasn’t what anyone wanted it to be and only about 4 or 5 years ago did Bussard re-examine his equations and find another way to approach the problem.
And couldn’t get money to do it. He died without getting a demonstration plant built and it is now going up with private and public funds, but is still relatively low cost. Low cost electrostatic containment fusion with off the shelf parts. Yet that is NOT R&D. It is known equations, known technologies, just combined a different way. Basic and fundamental research was in the 60′s.
Drug discovery is a winnowing out process that we have sped up by a factor of 10 over the past decade… yet taking years to test a product to look for side-effects and efficacy still takes years: biology only goes so fast.
Energy? The laws of thermodynamics are known, materials sciences are known, now you just want something to eke out a few percent better than what you already have. That isn’t R&D, that is product refinement. Einstein with the photoelectric effect back in the 20s… THAT was R&D. Done on his spare time in the patent office in Zurich. Ditto Relativity. Cost? A patent clerk’s wages and someone interested in a fundamental problem in physics.
Why would anyone get depressed by a President who wants to ‘keep the politics out of science’ and yet doesn’t want to get rid of the politicians from the equation? Does not compute. Put lots more money in from politicians who have partisan and pointed views and you will get politicized science. How about we cut them from the loop, ok? Let the public sector do it save for the few areas of need that are particular just to government… like DoD?
DARPA has direct, pointed and very specific needs and then does things like set Prizes and Challenges: you demonstrate what they want and they buy it. We used to do that with aircraft, back in the 20′s. Prizes to demonstrate distance and safety and you got airmail contracts… not one second before. Put government in charge of space flight and you get stagnation. Offer X-Prizes and the entire field revitalizes.
The problem in the equation? Government.
Prizes are low cost, speculative and yet offer extremely high return for just a bit of up-front money and contracts for services. How about a cheap, to Low Earth Orbit fast turnaround vehicle with guaranteed three times a week voyages to start getting some junk out of orbit? Makes more sense than the space shuttle, yet gets you the exact, same capability.
It is not about taxes: it is about awful, misguided and overburdened spending to no useful effect. If you think government can do everything, then ask what it can’t do and what your life is in that sort of system. One where you don’t have to think, don’t have to work and are spoon fed day and night. You aren’t allowed to do anything for any reason without approval.
And yet we are born free.
As the producers are the engine of society, so is America the engine of the world. What will Canada do for new drugs when “free” health care is mandated for Americans and drug companies become government institutions? What will China do for new customers when US unemployment hits 25%? What will the rest of the world do for a last best hope of freedom when the USA is enslaved?
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Lincoln saw that if the Confederacy prevailed then the North American landmass would merely replicate the geo-politics of Europe: endless war.
States rights as strong as the South wanted would reverse the Constitution especially with regard to its original motivation — interstate commerce.
It was to stop trade wars among the States ( Pennsylvania vs New York, eg) that the Constitutional Convention was even convened.
Getting the Constitution ratified was no easy matter, either. It took away the right to coin money and rig tariffs against other States. That was a lot of political freight to carry. Additionally, the war debts of the States became consolidated at the Federal Level — the solvent States HATED that provision.
Taken all together, Lincoln well reasoned that any weakening of the Constitution and its Federal Government would recreate the nightmares of the Articles of Confederation — at best — or the power politics of Europe.
The issue was resolved in blood. And now we face the counter argument: the Leviathan is too much. We will have to be very lucky indeed if a re-balance occurs without blood.
Right now I’m figuring that Soetoro will implode the economy and the Leviathan will run out of credit. Statistically it’s a much more likely outcome.
If he is truly successful we’ll have food riots and a collapse of his regime. Normally that would happen after the harvest season when it barely comes in.
Whiskey @ 23…
I don’t see an Alamo or Bataan Death March in store for our Troops in Afghanistan. There are quite a few things in place that would keep that from happening…don’t forget air superiority, and the ability to resupply from the air in case of a withdrawal once supply lines are cut. But don’t think that India isn’t seriously considering options right now for Pakistan, and I tend to think that action by India will happen long before the taliban can gain enough strength to truly engage our Forces on a large scale.
Some friends of mine from India told me in 2003 that if America let them take the gloves off, they’d wipe the islamists off the face of the earth.
I wish we would’ve done so, instead of backing the ‘peace process’ in Kashmir.
After the election of her hero Barack
Edith Childs was soon in for a shock
He did not heal the earth
Or increase her net worth
‘Cause his promises were all just a crock.
— —
As Greenwood kept spiraling down
Edith feared for the end of her town
After months of false hope
She now feels like a dope
So is the voter or votee the clown?
— —
Since Bush was the cause of all ill
Ole’ Barack gave Ms. Childs such a thrill
“Why all that we lack
Is a White House that’s black!”
Said poor Edith as she gulped the blue pill.
— —
L3
Blert:
I don’t disagree that breaking up the USA into two countries would have been an utter catastrophe. At best it would have left us ill prepared to deal with the threats posed by fascism and communism. At worst it would have meant the War Between The States would never end. Harry Turtledove has explored that version of history in a number of books.
But far too many people like to pretend that the war was all about slavery, when in fact that was mostly a propaganda issue that both sides used. In reality, the South bought the slaves from the North (Molasses-to-Rum-to-Gold-to-Slaves), who in turn bought them from other Africans.
Leo: Heard you name mentioned on the Neal Boortz show a couple of weeks back, as I fixed storm damage to my fence.
Wow the level of pessimism…
Obama is a politician. They will come and they will go. It matters little.
How much damage can they actually do? I would say very little as people who depend on govt. for their food will most likely go hungry.
I’d be much more worried if they weren’t hungry as that would mean redistribution is successful and we’re in for another go around.
Get rid of Sarbox-the-nation-killer. This is the long term strangulation that we can avert right now. Can’t believe Bush passed this piece of …
I’m glad my cancer was diagnosed 2 years ago and that I have finished treatment (successfully). Nowadays, things are so depressing, I probably would have refused treatment. Cancer would have been my long hoped for bullet and sweet release.
So I kicked cancer’s ass, and I know other people are seeing what I am seeing, and I cannot do anything about that cancer.
When the SHTF I suppose I could go to my sister’s farm and live off the land. TG we have a good farm in the family. Guaranteed subsistence.
I heard Boortz had lent him five bucks and wanted it back before the weekend
Sam, sarbox was an Enron stampede –the rot under Clinton befell Bush early and he and Ken Lay being both Texans i guess he had to go along with what turns out to’ve been kind of a shakedown cruise for bigger game later on.
RWE,
Probably my father. He is the Chairman of Americans for Fair Taxation.
Cheers,
L3
buddy,
Yeah, the guy won’t leave me alone. Doesn’t he realize that in today’s world, a loan doesn’t have to be repaid if I need the money more than he does? After all, I used it to buy a sixpack of Guinness, and if that isn’t a need, well I don’t know what is…
Cheers,
L3
The slaveowners were determined to continue dominating the Union in 1860. Basically, the Dred Scott decision said that no state could outlaw slavery, the South would not let them. After the election the slaveowners’ reaction was: “It’s my bat and my ball, and if I can’t pitch, I’m taking them and going home.” Secession would have led to a balkanized America, easy meat for European imperialist powers to manipulate. As for buying out the slaves, well the slaveowners would have had to approve it and make their “property” available for purchase, now wouldn’t they? Would a Congress dominated by Southerners approve appropriations for that? They preferred to fight to keep their “property rights” intact and their essential labor force available.
I’m incensed about Bush’s passing of Sarbox, as I feel that this is the biggest mistake of a couple generations, including execution of the Vietnam War.
If this is not overturned, its effect will dwarf any and all good, any and all bad that has come for two generations.
Over the long term this abortion of a law will transform this market-driven, innovation and enterprise centric nation and turn it into a handout paradise.
I beg you President Bush. Use any and all influence you may have to overturn Sarbox. Please save your legacy which otherwise history will vindicate, else it will condemn you and there won’t be a WW to bail you out.
Sam, sarbox threw an opening to London, where after 2000 several large hedge funds were established by some names in the current admin, to take advantage of a hole –the credit default swap –written into Clinton’s 2000 reg reforms. This mess goes back a long way –some people threw a itty bitty rubber ball onto the court and then kept their eyes on it until the time came to blow it up into the Hindenburg.
Why didn’t any of these guys see the itty bitty rubber ball? Wasn’t that their JOB ?
Maybe they were winking and nodding NOT to see it.
Tar. Feathers.
L3/73; well i guess that’ll teach YOU a lesson –never to not borrow from THAT jerk again!
Few Americans are capable of objective reasoning and logical thought with respect to the institution of slavery as practiced in the British colonies of North America and the United States 1619 – 1865. It had been an accepted practice from before the Dawn of Civilization. Slavery was one of the many woes the vanquished always suffered. It became unacceptable and politically incorrect after 87 years of psychological operations, agitation, propaganda, demonization and class warfare. Today anybody who fails to shudder with the proper revulsion at the very concept of people owning other people is a Neo-Confederate. Denying that slavery in America was the worst atrocity in the history of mankind is a hate crime.
Agricultural stoop labor sucks. It has always sucked. Free people with career choices won’t do it for a wage planters can afford to pay. Helots, serfs, villeins, peasants and peons had to be held to labor if the rich bounty of the soil was to be exploited, the profitable crop sewn, tended, reaped, sold, bought, transported, and the wealth distributed. And the slaves got some of that distribution. Not as much as they deserved by the standards of today, but they were fed, and clothed, and sheltered, and their doctor bills were paid, even in the winter when they weren’t in the fields much.
The Irishman heaving coal into the boilers of the steamboat wasn’t even worth turning around for if he fell over board, and he had to find his own necessities. A prime male field hand was worth $1800 dollars in Yankee gold. That would be over $30,000 nowadays.
The unfairness of it all was recognized back then, but tolerated as an unavoidable part of the human condition, until The Enlightenment, an Enlightenment made possible with the wealth extracted from the soil by slaves.
A class of property was declared politically incorrect, and the owners of that property demonized, and their wealth confiscated with fire and sword.
Different class of property this time.
Good stuff, cannoneer. The so-called ‘peculiar institution’ ended in Russia about the same time, and the West declared itself free of it. Tho it sounds like equivocation, it’s instructive re the WSI (War of Southern Independence –somebody mentioned it could not’ve been a civil war as the south had no designs on the north) that Robert E Lee, the man history casts as the south’s leading light, was anti-slavery long before the war. Before his many long letters –pre, during, post, war –on the topic became generally known, he had released, upon assumption of his new wife’s ancestral holding (confiscated to become postwar Arlington National Cemetery), the slaves thereon. His rancor, it appears, was reserved for the road upon the nation had launched itself –IOW where a new centralized government would lead. An excerpt from a current writing refers to an 1866 (one year postwar) item of personal correspondence with Britain’s Lord Acton:
“Not bitter, but saddened, Lee lived out his final years striving to educate the young men of Virginia to serve the country God had placed them in. The defeat of the South had, he accurately foresaw, ended the days of strict construction of the Constitution, and ushered in the American empire. States’ rights had always been precious to Lee. Indeed, he had gone to war to defend Virginia, his native soil. He was not a traitor or terrorist, as some modern, historically ignorant and inept writers accuse, nor was he in favor of slavery. He had drawn his sword “only in defense of my native state.” To Lee, and to the South, had there been no invasion, there would have been no war. But the war came, and Lee, a reluctant secessionist, became more dedicated to the cause as the war progressed, once remarking, “No civilized nation within knowledge has ever carried on a war such as the United States has carried on against us.” This, of course, stood in stark contrast to the impeccable behavior of Lee’s army during the Gettysburg campaign, a result of strict orders issued by Lee, which forbid the soldiers from exercising vengeance on the Northern population, but to wait on Him “to Whom vengeance belonged.” During the cruel abuse of the South during Reconstruction, he privately remarked, “Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in my right hand.” Prophetically, he would write to the British Lord Acton in 1866, “The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all that have preceded it.” Two years later, he would mourn, “I grieve for posterity, for American principles and American liberty.” In our day and age, we are reaping the fruits of what was sown in Lee’s time.”
I lived and worked in Greenwood in the early ’90s. Even then it was another mill town that time had passed by. Not much goes on in these old mill towns. The traditionalists hang on from generation to generation while the go-getters leave and go get. The highlights for me were a very good library, a working, unselfconsciously preserved ’50s diner and a small college full of nice college girls. My job there was a stepping stone and when my next opportunity came, I left without regret.
In our day and age, we are reaping the fruits of what was sown in Lee’s time.
And Robert E. reaped fruits of what was sown in Light Horse Harry’s time. Light Horse Harry reaped fruits sown by English barons 541 years before he first drew breath. Every nation benefits or suffers from the wisdom or foolishness of previous generations.
Light Horse Harry Lee, Alexander Hamilton and the military aged males of the 1770′s and early 1780′s are nine generations removed from us. Americans have reaped the fruits so thoughtfully sown by The Founders for so long that we no longer understand or respect how or why or from whom the fruit salad appears on our plates.
On different threads at different times, the idea of secession or cutting the country in two has been kicked around a little bit. Texas seceding from the Union most recently, or cutting the country in half along the Mississippi so that liberals could live on one half and conservatives on the other prior to that.
We’ve all been taught that Lincoln preventing the South from seceding during the Civil War as a blatently obvious Good Thing to have accomplished. To keep the Union strong and America mighty.
Do we still think that America will be stronger if we keep all 50 states together, or is the idea of divvying everything up and everyone retreating to their own personal corners looking better and more logical?
Jamie Irons @ #35:
I agree. But, isn’t almost all of the left leaning “thinking” based on the following:
1.
Jamie Irons @ #35:
OK. Let me try again.
I believe that almost all of the liberal left leaning thoughts are based on the following process.
1. Pass this bill.
2. ???
3. Everything will be great.
We then suffer the consequences.
The slaveholders concerns were two-fold. First, they did not want slavery abolished by the federal government and secondly, they intended to expand slavery to the new territories and perhaps into Cuba and further south. The abolisionists certainly put on the heat for the first possibility although Lincoln was happen to compromise for peace.
The second issue was pulled by the high profits from plantation cotton. Some states like Virginia made their money in breeding and exporting slaves to be “sold down the river” into Texas, Mississippi, and Alabama rather than in direct products envolving slaves.
Ultimately, slavery would have been uneconomic and would have vanished on its own.
However, the Southerns fired the first shots by trying to take-over Federal property. If they were so passive, why did they do that?
Back to Greenville. Politicans like Ms. Childs are unprepared with useful guidance and do not really serve their constituants’ interests. Nor do the voters seem to understand the effects of their votes.
Lincoln had a good line to the effect that sometimes the voters stand too close to the fire and they have to suffer the blisters.
Whitehall, Fort Sumter is in the south, on an island in the middle of a southern port.
Look at the dates between seccession and the shooting.
During that (i’m using memory) 4 month interval the south was trying –this is historical record –to buy the federal installations in the south. These delegations were in DC, actively seeking resolution, but were not being recognized or allowed plenary sessions in federal facilities with counterparts.
The mayor of Charleston and his civic delegation made several trips to (and endured several long waits in) DC trying to get a meeting with President Lincoln or an assignee. The president refused to meet with them.
When the Feds announced intent to resupply the fort, to as it were insert a foreign flotilla into sovereign Charleston Harbor against the wishes of the citizens, the Charlestonians redoubled to no avail efforts to gain agreements w/ USA to allow them to feed and transport the federal garrison at their own expense back to federal territoty.
In the end, the flotilla in transit, port defense units announced they would fire on the fort at a certain hour on a certain day, in order to allow garrison to cover. This they did, and the military theater of a pro-forma bombardment followed by a surrender was observed and played out by both sides, with no casualties either side.
Indeed the only casualties occured when, as per agreement, the garrison fired a flag salute, and one of its cannons exploded and killed one (or was it two?) of its own crew.
I say all this not to rebel-rouse, but to counter with the record, regarding the usual notion of what took place there and then.
PS, should add that during that several months interregnum, federal troops all over the south were departing for federal territory peaceably. Fort Sumter was a deliberate test-case, decided on in DC.
IOW, the incident was in no ways the historical image of a bunch of Yosemite Sam yahoos letting fly with powder and ball on the signal of secession.
Buddy,
So Lincoln arranged events so that the secessionists would be the first to resort to violence. They had already done so at Fort Pickens and Fort Barrancas in Pensacola harbor.
While of interest, your posts don’t seem to address the thread.
Greenville, South Carolina still has unworthy political leaders.
Well, as i said, i was just adding for the sake of veracity to what i had thought was your Fort Sumter ref. You may be uninterested but other people read these things and armies of davids are all that can keep the record straight.
“Greenville, South Carolina still has unworthy political leaders.”
Interesting news stories out there this morning on the black / white divide in perception regarding Obama’s first 100 days. Obama has sky-high approval ratings among blacks on EVERY damned stupid thing he’s done or not done. Less than not-so-much approval among whites. I wonder how the black population of Greenville, South Carolina would rate him and his performance in his first 100 days.
“In my reading of history, the greatest knock on the Southern white elites was their failure (or refusal) to prepare former slaves for responsible citizenship following the Civil War.”
I always though that the greatest knock on Southern white elites was the tactic marginalizing of black citizenship post-Reconstruction.
“Jim Crow” it is called.
57. Watcher:
Have you ever been to a public event that promises FREE stuff? The grand opening of store, a restaurant promotion, radio station event. Look at the incredible slack-jawed idiots who show up. That’s Obama’s base, “fired up, ready to go.”
Back in the day when I worked in local radio, we did a lot of local promotional appearances and gave away lots of free stuff. Those who showed up for the free stuff were rather rudely referred to in the biz as “contest piggies”. It seems that the “contest piggies” are now a majority of our fellow citizens, and they’ve brought swine flu with them….