The character of Bill the Butcher in the movie Gangs of New York explained the secret of power of terrorism. It is the ability to command obedience through fear. Bill explained, “I’m forty-seven. Forty-seven years old. You know how I stayed alive this long? All these years? Fear. The spectacle of fearsome acts. Somebody steals from me, I cut off his hands. He offends me, I cut out his tongue. He rises against me, I cut off his head, stick it on a pike, raise it high up so all on the streets can see. That’s what preserves the order of things. Fear.”
The Taliban understand this principle well. Mohammed Hanif of the BBC has watched his country, Pakistan, simply avert its eyes from the reign of terror. He writes in a Washington Post editorial entitled, My Country, Caving to the Taliban:
The day after Pakistan’s government signed a peace deal with the Taliban allowing them to implement their own version of sharia in the Swat Valley, there was a traffic jam at a square in downtown Mingora, the main town in the region. The square, Green Chowk, has acquired the nickname Khooni Chowk, or Bloody Square, because the Taliban used to string up their victims there. “Look at this.” A shopkeeper pointed to the hubbub. “This is what people wanted, to get out and do business. Take the security forces away, take the Taliban away, and we can get on with our lives.” He, like many Pakistanis, believed that the deal with the Taliban was the only way to stop bullet-riddled bodies from turning up at Khooni Chowk.
AdvertisementMingora is not a backwater, not part of the Wild West that foreign journalists invoke whenever they talk about the Taliban. It’s bursting with aspiration; it has law schools, a medical college, a nurses’ training institute. There is even a heritage museum. Yet when peace arrived on Feb. 16, all the women vanished. They were not in the streets or in the offices, not even in the bazaar, which sells nothing but fabric, bags, shoes and fashion accessories.
The music market vanished, too. All 400 shops. The owner of one had converted it into a kebab joint. “This is sharia,” he spat at his grill, which hissed with more smoke than fire. Across from his stand, a barber had hung the obligatory “No un-Islamic haircuts, no shaves” sign and was taking an early morning nap, his face covered with a newspaper.
This, I was told, was the price of peace.
What does peace look like? The Guardian obtained a copy of cell phone video being circulated by the Taliban showing what was in store for women who defied sharia, or at least, their understanding of sharia. Video shown below is an example of what Hanif is talking about. But what puzzled Hanif was how things could come to this pass. “Over the past two years, Pakistani civil society has driven a military dictator from power and managed to force an elected government to restore our top judges to the bench. But when it comes to the Taliban, it seems incapable of speaking with one voice. There is little sense of an impending crisis, just the blithe belief that the Taliban are not as bad as they seem, and that in any case, Pakistan’s fractious government and security services are no match for these men with beards and guns. I hear vague comparisons with the days before the Iranian revolution; the only problem is that we don’t seem to have a Khomeini, at least not yet.”
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I think part of Hanif’s problem with understanding the ascendancy of the Taliban arises from the inability to compare the toughness necessary to push back against a regular government, even one as corrupt as Pakistan’s and the toughness necessary to fight armed terror. People boast of how they fought the repression of George W. Bush and defied the fascism of America’s right wing in the same tones one would use in describing an assault on Iwo Jima, thinking they are describing their heroism when what they are really describing is their membership in the little leagues. The examples are all around us: artists who will depict a cross in bottle of urine but tremble at the thought of handling a Koran without white gloves; ‘feminists’ who are very aggressive about the life span, or lack thereof, of babies, but who can’t find their voice when women are beaten, mutilated and beheaded; countries which think it’s the height of nobility to prosecute American war criminals but depend on them for safety. It’s not surprising at all that a “Pakistani civil society [that] has driven a military dictator from power and managed to force an elected government to restore our top judges to the bench”. You could face down the first with demonstrations and civil disobedience; but try that with al-Qaeda. To them a crowd is a just a big target-rich environment. Hanif himself understands it will take more than the normal civil disobedience to shift the hard men:
This resignation was on display recently when a video surfaced showing the Taliban flogging a teenage girl for stepping out of her house unaccompanied by a male family member. The gruesome display outraged civil society and portions of the media. But apologists for the Taliban were louder, and the response in Pakistan followed a pattern that has become familiar since 9/11: first denial and then willful ignorance. “The video was fake.” “The media should not have run it.” “Are you using this video as an excuse to criticize the Koran?” By the time the debate died down, the Urdu media had concluded that the video was part of a conspiracy to derail the Swat peace deal, but that the punishment was appropriate. Again the justifications. Maybe the Taliban had not followed the proper procedures, but surely they can be reasoned with…
Sure, thousands have turned up at anti-Taliban rallies; there are Facebook groups galore protesting their policies. But people know that raising a banner in a city square or clicking on an e-petition is not going to convince the Taliban to give up their arms and go back to their day jobs (or, in most cases, return to an endless cycle of unemployment). …
What are people to do?
I got a glimpse of what they are already doing in Lahore. At a hotel that is so safe, I was told, that Americans often use it, I saw security guards posted at multiple entrances. You see private security guards everywhere in Pakistan, but one I spoke with had his pistol drawn. When I asked him why, he shrugged and said that those were his orders. But how he will guard against a truckload of explosives, a band of men armed with rocket launchers or an ideology that wants us to dress and behave like people in Mecca circa A.D. 570 remains unclear.
What are they to do to fight the Taliban? Would he like to hear it? Nobody likes to hear it, and I think part of the reason Barack Obama was elected was the hope it would never have to be faced.
I get the fear thing, but how to account for the near-breathless hero worship that so many on the left/press seem to feel for these types?
Normal people in a normal place don’t expect to have to fight off terrorists. If terrorists should ever show up it’s a job for the govt, the military, the police, the press to push them to it. It’s not a job for normal people or a security guard with a pistol.
The quote from Bill the Butcher is valid in an Honor-Shame society. When there is no legal authority one has to stand up for one’s self. When there’s a legit govt one relies on the govt to protect people and uphold the law.
It is clearly the govt that has failed. It isn’t that they haven’t tried either. They have tried. They just haven’t succeeded.
The fat lady hasn’t sung yet.
What captivates people on the left is the vision of one day having the power to impose their vision of what’s right and wrong behavior on every last person on the planet. That’s a compulsive inner need they share with the terrorists, and it draws them towards them like moths to a flame.
Democracy, when its inherent possibility of tyranny by the majority is restrained, as the founders tried to do, is more about creating a secure space in which people can go their own way.
The scars from that mutilation must make the poor innocent victim a sexual zombie: completely marked against marriage.
Hence her desperate plea for instant execution.
She must now live in a walking grave.
As for her brother: total mind rape.
He’s as done as she is: unable to protect immediate family… he’s emasculated.
You will note his upset half-way through.
The entire clan is defamed, any way you care to figure it.
To compound it further: she’s now international.
Realistically, suicide is in her future.
As for the count of 34… the beast is a sadist.
Such a pious thrill seeker.
I sense is that Pakistan is already gone.
Now, we must make a decision on what to do with Pakistan’s nukes. The options are quickly diminishing. We can ether secure them by extraction or destroy them.
Securing Pakistan’s nukes looks to be a bad bet. The only other solution is to destroy them. It probably is still possible to destroy them by conventional means but that option is quickly fading as the Taliban move closer to the nuke storage points. Destroying the delivery mechanisms would be very helpful but not the full answer.
Destroying Pakistan’s nukes could be done with small nukes. It could be done under the guise of a “work place accident.” But, I am doubtful President Pantywaist will have the guts to do so.
Once the Taliban have control of a few of the nukes all of the rules in the that area of the world will be changed – and changed for the worse.
Even the threat of the Taliban having nukes poses a major problem. The Taliban could use the threat of nukes to blackmail anyone (regardless if they could actually detonate one).
The best alternative is a “work place accident” which neutralizes Pakistan’s nukes for good. India could help in this matter.
Let’s be honest. The reason people cannot fight against the Taliban in Pakistan is the Polygamy. Islam is built upon it. And requires for it’s maintenance both brutal submission and subjugation of women, and enemies to conquer so that most men, who remain without women, can take wives/slaves by conquest.
That guarantees that Muslims, however fine individuals may be, remain like scorpions in a bottle. Only now, with a globalized world and economy and nukes for the Taliban, able to kill cities.
We’ve lost NYC. It’s a done deal. Obama THINKS he can make big speeches blaming America and it’s SWPL Yuppie status mongering as usual, with the sympathy for the “hard” terrorists who kill, always something that SWPL Yuppies, and women, find attractive until they’re picking over the bodies.
What’s going to happen AFTER the nukes obliterate one-three US cities is anyone’s guess. My own take is a coup, for survival, as people just want to live. Followed by the awful “Silverado moment” (ala from the movie where Kevin Kline realizes bad guy Brian Dennehy can’t hurt pal Linda Hunt if he kills him). I.E. all/most Muslims dead? No more threats to the US.
We were always headed towards this moment. We were ALWAYS going to get to it. There was NEVER any other possibility.
Muslims would never change their own polygamy ridden system (that not the Koran is responsible for Muslims being like scorpions in a bottle). Nuke technology was going to be cheap (enough) and easy (enough) for even Pakistan and other failed places to get them. SWPL Yuppies and a female-oriented consumer society would be too consumed with status and Elite/female power to deal with the situation while it was still manageable and controllable.
Thus, this. Pakistan falling into the Taliban’s control, Obama a Muslim himself from a Polygamous Father, smiling benignly as he does nothing to stop it or secure/destroy the nukes. NYC and perhaps other American cities die in a nuclear blast. Not from some “Good guy gone wrong” as in the feminized 9/11 fantasy of TV’s “Heroes” but real macho polygamists wanting conquest.
And in the great desire simply not to be incinerated, Obama will be removed via coup driven by the people, not the military and CIA (which will I think be reluctant passengers on the populist train). People will surprise you with a desire to live. Do awful things.
Pakistan is dead and gone
And with her any sense
Of waking to a peaceful dawn
Of striking warlike tents
The Taliban, those bearded men
So brave when beating girls
Have dazzled our fair left again
Who love their glistening curls
Where once men fought for home and hearth
Now men fight not at all
For cultures that have lost their worth
Where duty does not call
Where have they gone, the men of steel?
Who saw things rearranged?
It isn’t they who seem unreal
It’s only us who’ve changed
Whiskey,
Out there somewhere (probably in a burn pile) is a 20 Volume set of Time-Life Books, that was removed from a Library for reasons of political correcness. The name of that set of books is, “Civilization,” and, Volume 20 is, “The End of Golden Ages.” I know where one set ‘was’, but, it was sold off after my Brother-in-Law passed away.
A Librarian located the succesor series, and, one set of the original, but, every set found, new and old, was missing one Volume, the final Volume, which defines the “End of Golden Ages.”
I’m not surprised that it was ‘deep-sixed’ (or comdemned to the “Fiery Furnace”), because the original contained a list of 20 Markers of “The End of Golden Ages.” You actually hit on it in your post above, but, seemingly as an aside: Marker #1 – “Women begin rising to positions of great power.”
This phenomena appears 150 to 200 years into the life of a Civilization, and, begins the slide into footnotes in “Dusty Tomes” nobody reads. It is a natural result of the “Foraging Instinct,” which is linked to a “primal, biological imperative” to build safe, secure, serene and beautiful nests, where they can raise their children without knowing or having to defend against violence.
The other markers are: a flood of rules, regulations, policies, procedures, edicts, decrees, taxes, permits, certificates, etc, flowing from a flood of Bureaus, Agencies, Departments, Offices and the odd rogue Tyrannizer (like a “Great Lady” advisor to the ‘King,’ demanding that he ‘do something’); imbalance of trade commences when the “Great Ladies” begin demanding exotic things to decorate and enhance ever larger, more enviable nests (Mansions, Palaces, Castles, Compounds of the Aristocracy/Nobility); flight of Capital and Industry to Foreign Ports where the exotic trinkets, toys and doodads originate; flight of Crafts, Skills, Trades, Artisans and Engineers (I’m one who fled years ago) following the Industries to other, younger, more vibrant, less restrictive, growing, thriving societies; importation of cheap labor, or, slaves (it’s nice if they import themselves); pushing away, denigration and tyranizing of the Common Citizen; denigration and pushing away of the Citizen Soldier; hiring of Mercenaries (Local or Foreign) as Bodyguards, City Guard (Police), and, Professional Military; and, the final blow – disarming of the Common Man.
The last usually happens just prior to, or, as Alexander crosses the Bosphorus (welcomed by the people as a savior), or, as Obama climbs the Hill, bringing us a new society (worshipped by many).
There remains but the final step, the “Coup de Gras” of this Golden Age (see Marker #20, above).
Now I see. England’s fall began with Queen Elizabeth the First.
And Russia was cooked with Catherine II, called The Great.
No, Richard,
Actually, the “Virgin Queen” and Catherine (both on my Family tree), were coddled and had little need to go outside the Castle Walls, but, both were Master Spies (with huge Spy networks), and, consumate Wheedlers to get or accomplish what they wanted. (always digging for information). Elizabeth managed through her network of spies to stave off the “Spanish Armada” for many years. And, there is evidence to suggest that she actually sent Naval expeditions west seeking King Arthurs mystical Isles beyond the sea (forget what he called them).
However, neither Britain nor Russia fall within my definition of a Great Civilization, while being great Empires. Both were run by Male Bureaucracies, and, neither advanced the Human Race to any great extent.
I’d give you some names from the ventures of Elizabeth, but, the book I would reference is loaned out at the moment (about voyages before Columbus, a special interest of mine), and, in the day to day business of surviving Iraq, some things get pushed aside (haven’t finished it yet).
Bob,
Those two replies were for you…I noticed Richards name in the website address, and, thought I was being chastised by the man.
The character of Bill the Butcher in the movie Gangs of New York explained the secret of power of terrorism
This exactly the point I made this week about the use of interrogation tactics that are worthy of the name. So maybe the first few don’t crack. I guarantee you in the end more will talk than not IF you build a reputation of your interrogations being sheer terror.
And spare me the sanctimony of how we shouldn’t do it for moral reasons..let God decide that in the end. You get captured..nothing is off limits in interrigation..our foe’s fully understand this.
#1 Rob
The hero worship by male leftists is because what comes naturally to these hard men is what is impossible to the male leftist. The hero worship by female leftists reflects their secret wish to be ravished by real men.
In the latter case, in fact, there are feminists in Europe who actually marry or bear children with Islamists. There’s a Swedish feminist who has an online essay titled “I will never bear a white child”.
The entire question resolves itself to, “Why is Europa opening her legs for these barbarians? And where are the men?”
At last!
the US/NATO can now leave the fake war,in Afghanistan, and move on to the real one in Pakistan/Pashtunistan.
Men will follow a strong leader especially one that rules with fear. Why?, they will benefit as long as they do not challenge the leader for power. Otherwise they are left outside with no money, power over the lower members, and access to women.
Women follow the strong male for protection and protection of the offspring they have with that male. That is just basic survival tactics of the weaker gender.
It is really true that people get the government they want or deserve when they fail to protect their own interests. The Swat valley acquiesces with their conquerors. They smart people ran. The idiots that wanted the Taliban because of fuzzy thinking will stay and suffer or join the Taliban ranks
It’s coming here folks and our own government will help it happen.
Muslims vote in mass and vote for who they are told to vote for, once in office Muslims will make the rules.
Fear of being labeled a racist or facsist will keep folks silent.
The again I would not stand by idle while some fellow who has a god in his back pocket treated a family member in this fashion.
Western women rather be raped and beaten by swarthy men, you know real men who beat thier wives, than live equally with the pussy men who gave them the right to vote. Western women have been lent a voice from legaliztic lesbians and if the lesbians don’t condemn it, then they wont.
When the adult start looking for the approval of a child, they’re screwed. Men need to go John Galt against union of feminist whores.
I think Pakistan is losing it but the US is playing a similar game and will have similar results. Letting dangerous foreigners in to prey on the population is good business for government. How else will it grow if it does not let the threat grow.
Government is the answer, let in more violent criminals, bulk up the police apparatus. It really is the self likcking icecream cone.
The NYT has a report on the fall of Buner. The former resistance to the Taliban was led by posses/militias because the central government would not commit troops to the fight. But the local resistance can not do the job by itself.
Robert Kaplan in the Atlantic has an article (great style) on Baluchistan, a possible break-away province, resistant to the Taliban and fundamentalism.
The ultimate card of the Taliban, as for any gang, is “we know where you live.” The gay activists chant it in CA lately. I don’t think anyone is fearing them, but the tactic has always worked. It kept Jim Crow in place for a century. If you have a home, it contains just about everything you value.
The answer to the “Bill the Butcher problem” is to be the stronger tribe. Barring that, can you counter fear with greater fear? Can you strike terror into the hearts of the Taliban? What would that take?
When fighting an organization such as the Taliban, I think joining a Facebook group or signing a petition is the dumbest thing you can do. It reveals your opposition while providing no protection. You are asking to be made an example of. The only “smart” thing to do, if opposition is your course, is to meet quietly with like-minded men and decide privately what is to be done.
How should the community defend itself against a persistent threat? Remember the man with infectious TB who defied the Public Health service order restricting his movement and sneaked back into America from Italy via Canada? There was widespread horror at his selfishness, coupled with shock at the realization that the authorities have the right to control a threat. Under the label of Public Health and Safety the government can do almost anything. The Nazi Nuremburg laws were worded as part of the Health Code. Jews were seen as vermin to be sterilized from the body politic and eventually from physical existence. The trick is to retain a government capable of acting to eliminate a real threat without expanding the concept of threats to be so broad as to include the arbitrary Other. Typhoid Mary was locked up against her will because she posed a threat to the community simply by being herself but the threat was real. If the Taliban are a real threat, not I would think a debatable point, then they must be contained or eliminated. We must define our concepts of safety and justice in a manner that draws a distinction between acting against the Taliban and the Nazis acting against the Jews.
The only thing that ‘frightens’ Taliban or Al Qaeda Leaders, is when someone starts targetting Leaders. They like to kill people, and, send out lots of Homicide Bombers, exhorting them to seek death, but, seem to have a double standard about dying…Leaders never expect someone to come after them.
When this happens, they vanish into some dank, dark Cave in Tora Bora.
Fascinating to read the reactions of someone watching it happen before their eyes, yet not believing.
If Obama isn’t watching this closely, India is. And I wouldn’t doubt, fondling the big red button.
As for women being the problem, I read recently about women in New York in past times removing the lead weights from their curtains so bullets could be made. Revolutionary war. Women gladly and willingly send their sons into war, always have. It was ‘soccer moms’ who won Bush’s second term. Thatcher was the most steadfast of all leaders, even compared to Reagan when the Argentines decided to take that island.
The success of the Bush doctrine convinced people that there was no need of it. Men and women. Very common in a democracy, in fact it’s weakness.
Derek
Derek,
Thanks for the balance. You are, of course right. Women are the back bone of civil society and without them we are screwed. It is why the silence from women on issues of Islamic misogamy are so shrill. It is deplorable.
This makes the whole “waterboarding is torture” argument silly. In the interest of being culturally sensitive I believe we should adopt the same techiniques as the Taliban. Fair is fair.
Derek,
Quite true, actually, and, I just read the name of a lady in New York that contributed her Sash Weights for Bullets, in the Revolutionary War.
However, to see the “Great Ladies” in action, watch the Ladies of Congress, and, pay attention to who’s in charge.
During the Press Conference following the Oral Arguments of US vs Heller, Mayor Fendley gave a short speech, then, introduced Chief Cathy Lanier. She surged from the back, litteraly elbowed him out of the way. As he stumbled back forcing himself into the line of City Councilman, she took control of the Podium, slinging her hair around like a Lioness.
Then, thrust her chest out, pointed her “Weapons of Genderbat” (and, Medals) at the Cameras, and, snarled, “Not everybody needs Guns,” and, launched into a speech that left me breathless…it seemed to have been lifted straight out of Volume 20, “The End of Golden Ages,” whole cloth (“…they’ll be fighting amongst themselves, killing each other. It’ll cause sedition and Rebellion”).
She proceeded to name all the different Law Enforcement Agencies in DC (including the Military), and, claimed, “We have enough weapons to protect the Citizens of DC,” and, repeated, “Not everyone needs weapons.”
Strangely, she included armed Security Guards among them…Dick Heller is a Security Guard in the Justice Annex…and, he won.
Looking at the sheepish faces of the Mayor and Councilmen, it was obvious, to anyone, who was leading whom around by what…just like the “Great Ladies” of Congress.
So, then … we’re all agreed that it’s not all Booosh’s fault, but the fault of women, and that in the proper preordined way of nature, females should be kept pregnant, barefoot and in the kitchen, clad in their burka’s where they can’t cause any further trouble, keeping out of the way of the menfolk who are so much better at these things, so that after 2,000 years of civilization the males in charge have managed to get us to where we are today?
How then does that make you anti-woman commenters better than the Taliban?
I find the misogynist turn of the comments here very disturbing. I thought whiskey’s rants were disturbed, but this is a turn for the worse. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. Were Golda Meir and Margaret Thatcher weak, anti-civilization forces? Elizabeth and Victoria? Don’t the examples of John Kerry and Michael Moore mean anything to you? Anti-civilizational characteristics are in the head, not the groin. Feh.
Hardly difficult. Ask yourself: Does the government act to restrict liberty to a greater degree than universally applied law allows, or to restrain those who would restrict liberty unjustly?
Let’s assume the feminization thesis as the root of all evil is right or partially right. Isn’t it equally valid and easier to explain the passivity as a failure of masculinity instead? By that I mean that somehow the men in society have forgotten to be men in the best sense of the word. There was a time when intimidation and terror would be resented; accepted for a time if need be, but ultimately hated.
Because no one should fool themselves: the Taliban are going to have a set of rules for men and boys too, with whips, thumbscrews, knives and instruments of torture to match. If the women are passive in the face of the Taliban it is at least in part due to the fact that the men have forgotten why were put on earth. I don’t mean being macho men so much as being men. We’ve only got a few short years on earth. Why spend them as slaves? And if we agree to live in chains, there’s no one to blame, not even women, for accepting that fate.
These Taliban guys are challenge, not just to women, but to me. I don’t know if you feel the same way. What do you say boys?
Step #1 – Identify the problem…even if it means changing some of your own deeply held beliefs. Only then can you move to:
Step #2 – Create a set of possible solutions. You are welcome to prioritize them according to your preferences – from most preferable to least. Just remember that you must be willing to move down the line once it is clear that the current choice is not working.
Step #3 – Execute the plan. Put your heart and soul into it, for only then does it stand a chance of working.
If you are unwilling to even perform Step 1, with all it requires, you will never eliminate the problem. In the current set of events that means death…not just for yourself, but for all that you hold dear.
Conan once said: “What is best in life? To crush your enemies beneath your feet and hear the lamentations of their women.” The corollary might be to define torture as knowing that you were responsible for the deaths of those you love.
“How then does that make you anti-woman commenters better than the Taliban?”
This plays to my point. Men who site any double standards on the part of women are no better than those who beat them publicly and get away with it. I don’t think that you really believe that but NahnCee I failed in exempting you and other commenter’s like Alexis out of the breach of disdain. Conservatism is arguably the cure because it is conserving some relic of human nature. A state that many find abhorrent like survival of the fittest ought to be legislated against. It is in itself anti free market as it is progressive. I think that Euro-style feminism has an unhealthy reliance on government as a proxy for male authority. And really, where does authority reside? In the breadwinner or in the head of the house hold? It is an argument as old as humanity and the relationships of hunters and gatherers. and it is hackneyed, yin and yang and it is tedious like the argument between the brain in the heart finally put to rest by a third organ.
“These Taliban guys are challenge, not just to women, but to me. I don’t know if you feel the same way. What do you say boys?”
I think this is along the lines of my thinking. My earlier course comments aside, when there is such a schism between men and women politically, readers of this site exempted, there is potentially a loss of culture and with it history and perspective. If women tend to look to the state for its protection, the state appears to look for its own self-interest. Independent males, the like of which explored and with their women populated vast wildernesses have no purpose in a the present let alone a future society. This may be a comforting shift in events for the beneficiaries of the new state of affairs, but like market bubbles this is an attempt to defy nature. You can create utopian paradises free of testosterone but in the end nature will find its way. Today it is the Taliban. Tomorrow, the next Genghis Khan and women will glory in it.
Nahncee,
You mistakeme for someone else. I’m one of the most henpecked men in the world, but, at the same time, I’m the only undefeated “King of the Punching Bag” at Gilley’s. I married the woman that was the prototype for the second wife in the movie, “Urban Cowboy,” and, we celebrated our 30th Anniversary in 2006, on opposite sides of the world.
But, all is not roses, of course, I’m easy going with friends of all colors and nationalities. My wife is a radical Feminist, Union Brat, dedicated Liberal Democrat, a Precinct Judge over 5 Precincts in San Antonio, until the last election. She is bigotted beyond anything I could dream, and, refused to work for a Candidate that wasn’t pure white, and, 110% Irish.
We’ve all got our faults, ya know. But, this Cowboy had to do something to compete with all the Credit Cards her Daddy filled her Wallet with, so I went off up the trail following the Industry and Capital that had fled to Foreign Ports, where there is less regulation, less Rules, and, less Taxes. I’m one of those Markers of “The End of Golden Ages,” as surely as my headstrong, but, lovely, wheedling, manipulative Lady, and, I love her still.
Wretchard,
You are absolutely on my wavelength with that, because one of the distinctive things noted about “Great Ladies” is that they raise their Sons to be Court Fops. However, those same Ladies, tend to go after the type of men they instinctively see as Winners, never mind that they just conquered the Empire, murdered all the men, and, ravished all the women left alive.
It’s called survival…the contiuation of their bloodline, and, this is their prime biological imperative. ‘This’ driving urge triumphs over all. They will accept Winners, even when they themselves are the losers.
Annoy Mouse,
Yes!
For 800 years my Family has been out and down and backing away from the Catholic Church, 300 miles beyond the end of the road that led back to Civilization. However, when we got to Texas, we met them coming the other way…and, it was time to fight. The one thing we were never short of was Ladies, and, most of my ancestors were Polygamous (some of us wound up in Utah).
Both of my Great-Grandfathers (on my Fathers side) were professional Gamblers who owned the only Saloon/ (Ach…just had an alarm. First one we’ve had in a while) Boarding House, General Store owners (Gun, Knife and Fist Fighters), whose wives were founding members of the “Womens Christian Temperance Union. Saloon busters, they were, and, neither Great Grandmother Elizabeth Arnold-DeSpain, nor, Catherine Yarbrouh-Winters were shy about busting up their own Saloons if things weren’t going their way.
They ran the families with an Iron Hand, and, I married one just like ‘em. Love her, but, our politics are something more than 180 degrees out.
Gordon’s using the “some of my best friends are women” defense.
Wretchard makes an interesting point. Reading Ausssie newspapers, I see a lot of hand-wringing there about Australian men refusing to get married and to belly up to the family man bar. Here in America, I don’t know that there was ever any discussion. It was just assumed that if women demanded equal pay for equal work, then they were on their own and men no longer needed to be responsible. Hence, 50% divorce rates, and burgeoning ranks of unmarried mommies because American women can’t find anyone who will consent to be a partner with them and daddy a child for 18 years or more.
Correction…that sentence should read: “..the only Saloon/Boarding House/General Store owners (Gun, Knife and Fist Fighters), between San Antonio and the Border, whose wives were…”
Regarding misogyny and misandry, perhaps what we’re really seeing and debating is not the extent women have a voice in things, but rather the extent that the male-female partnership has been sundered.
Whiskey’s earlier missive on this topic were always pretty heavy on the subject of single women, or particularly young, single women. Single women who have no great desire to form a true partnership with a man have to either look out for themselves or else attach themselves to some other provider who needs servants rather than a partner. Despite the myth of the superwoman single mother, fact is attaching to the provider is by far the easier path. Government fills that role today and the servants it needs are voters who reliably empower it’s various lords. Some single women can be honestly independent, most fall into the orbit of a, shall we say, strong horse.
Single men are likewise problematic. Absent a family and progeny to provide for, they are prone to destructive behavior. If the rest of us are lucky, it ends up self-destructive but that’s not always the case. Gangs, henchmen, raiding parties, armies of conquest, these are some of the more common surrogate families, and why polygamists make bad neighbors. Their own society doesn’t provide them an opportunity to achieve social status by creating, so they look elsewhere for the opportunity to plunder. Again, as with women, some exceptional men can be productive without a family to care for, but the easier route is to sign up with the thugs.
“These Taliban guys are challenge, not just to women, but to me. I don’t know if you feel the same way. What do you say boys?”
It only takes two generations for courageous men and women with common sense to degrade into cowards and fools. We appear to now have a majority of the latter, and they voted for Obama. God help us to have a rebirth of common sense and courage; to remain the land of the free and the home of the brave. I believe that a struggle for life, liberty and property (pursuit of happiness) is on the horizon – on the domestic horizon. As our Boy Scouts say: Be Prepared.
“War is evil, but it is often the lesser evil.” George Orwell
“If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you…” Samuel Adams
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” Patrick Henry
Strangely, NahnCee, she is my best friend, and, my most implacable foe. I’m a loner by nature, and, I won’t try to explain that, but, I’m still friends with both of my ex-wives. It’s my children that are strangers, and, they’re all succesful, without any help from me.
I guess that’s what a women gets when she marries a Cowboy: a Top Hand who got an education and became a Top Hand in another profession, and, sorta left all that behind. I was raised by a King Bred Bruni Paint Horse, and, that may have a lot to do with my disposition. I don’t push, but, I won’t be pushed.
I love this paragraph – from near the end of the W. Post editorial:
“When we look overseas for support, we are confronted by the Americans demanding that we oppose the Taliban even as U.S. drones continue to kill impoverished civilians in the remote-controlled hunt for Taliban officials and the latest al-Qaeda No. 3. There is not a single Pakistani who supports these attacks or the way they are being conducted. They have made being pro-American radioactive. And they have also made opposing the Taliban that much more difficult.”
What a wonderful illustration of the problem: because the civilians hanging around the Taliban when they get Hellfire’d are “innocent,” we cannot possibly resist the Taliban if they Americans tell us we ought to. O woe, whatever are we to do, we simple Pakistanis? Won’t somebody help us?
What a bunch of bullsh-t. Pakistan’s problem is Pakistanis and their cousins the barbarians. Where can we start writing op-eds of that variety: Your Problem Is You.
What a bunch of bullsh-t. Pakistan’s problem is Pakistanis and their cousins the barbarians. Where can we start writing op-eds of that variety: Your Problem Is You.
(Larry) Niven’s First Law: Don’t throw sh-t at an armed man, and don’t stand next to someone throwing sh-t at an armed man.
There are a couple other of Niven’s Law’s that seem appropriate to the situation as well.
#6 – it’s easier to destroy than create
#10 – Anarchy is the least stable political structure
heh (o/t vaudeville blackout here) –old texania phrase ‘top hand’ reminds me of story, top hand saunters into blacksmiths to check on his hoss shoes, bends over and picks one up off the floor that’s just barely cooled off glowing red. slings it down as fast as he can. Blacksmith working the anvil sees this and sez “still hot ain’t it” –top hand answers back “naw, it just don’t take long to look at a hoss shoe.”
I watched the video. Possibly even worse than the physical pain for this poor young woman was the humiliation. Ahmed the Flogger and all his likeminded buddies positively reek with hatred of women, like an untended latrine reeks of ….
Barbarism.
As for women in the West and the distressing marriage statistics, it’s complicated and there are a *lot* of factors. The lumpen-profiling of entire demographic groups into monolithic behavior and mindset does not, I think, advance anyone’s understanding. It just hacks off those who realize things are not so simplistic (esp. those who belong to the group being stereotyped but who do not subscribe to the behavior or mindset being attributed to the group), while misleading those who buy into the monolithic theories.
Is the birth control pill a factor? Yup.
Are suffrage, higher education, and economic elevation factors? Yup.
Are poor parental role models, children-of-divorce traumas and inability to form healthy, committed relationships with the opposite sex (due, frequently, to absent fathers) also factors? Yup.
But so is that age-old, most unmodern of female character vices … some women just can’t *stand* acceding to the biblical design of male spiritual headship.
Even when there is no rebellion from women, some men will be the worst kind of tyrants over women. (see video above)
And even when there is no tyranny from their men, some women will emasculate them anyway.
And then there are just the generational and cultural cycles of both vices feeding off each other … tyranny, rebellion, more tyranny, more rebellion, etc.
If you are a woman in the West today, you should thank GOD (not goddess, BTW) that you were born a woman in the West in modern times, because even if you did not hit the financial or beauty-gene jackpot in your birth circumstances, you still have excellent odds of having a much better life than most women born anywhere else in the world at any time in human history. And for that bounty, today’s Western women can thank both their ma, grandmas, great-grandmas etc. AND all the men who did the right thing by women when called upon to do so.
Is America a perfect haven for women? No. But the imperfections here, some of which are indeed consequential, are still nowhere near the monstrously degraded existence that too many women are forced to live in other parts of the world today, and too many women perished under in times past.
I can’t help but think that the failure of these fanatic Muslim societies is in great part a result of the legalized oppression of half their population. How can a culture expect to flourish when brothers hold down their own sisters for flogging, and fathers butcher their own daughters in honor killings … all for transgressions like leaving the house without a male escort, or holding hands with a boy?
Wretchard is asbolutely right when he observes that this kind of barbaric society, which requires that male family members become the brutalizers of their own wives, daughters, and sisters, damages not just the women but the spirits of the men as well.
Cruelty and injustice always exact a price in both directions. Always.
What kind of man could do that to his own flesh and blood?
Answer: No man at all.
JMH/42; #10 – Anarchy is the least stable political structure
a very problematic maxim –like pride in humility or belief in nihilism, all three become, once having made the jump from private & personal to public & communal, ipso facto impossible lies.
Wretchard @31
See my post at 7. I reprise the last four lines.
Where have they gone, the men of steel?
Who saw things rearranged?
It isn’t they who seem unreal
It’s only us who’ve changed
The men of steel are still here, just not in power at the moment. An Italian cruise ship was just attacked by pirates and was beaten off by an Israeli security force. A feminized chap in London wrung his hands and declared resistance is the wrong thing to do as it will only anger the pirate chaps who might then decide to hurt people. When the danger becomes severe enough the men of steel will emerge.
a very problematic maxim –like pride in humility or belief in nihilism, all three become, once having made the jump from private & personal to public & communal, ipso facto impossible lies.
Buddy, you lost me. Were you aggreeing with or disagreeing with the statement that anarchy is the least stable political structure?
They do this in the name of their “allah”.
I really really dont think much of this allah.
It cant be much of a deity if beating a 14 YO girl with a whip pleases it.
I suspect that given a level field, it would lose a bunch of market share. The only thing that’s kept this scam going for 1300 years is the terror that Mr. Fernandez has written about. In a related thought this whole bunch of islams are psychopaths.
Women are the main reason civilization exists. The one that impose rules for society, they are the ones that inspire desire, so the men protect them and their children.
The problem with western civilization is that women now being able to survive without a man’s protection are busy trying to get rid of the potential threat of paternalistic control by emasculating men and boys.
It is a balancing act. When women have to compete with other wives they have less ability to persuade men in providing rules that raise their status and protect the vulnerable (children).
Young women can and do settle down young males by withholding or providing sex. That is how they civilize the men. When there are not enough women than men, then social unrest and wars breakout since there is an excess of males. China is going to suffer from this from the generation of aborting girls.
Civilization works best with a balance between women and men. Females work improvements of civilization through manipulation of men and marriage. Hillary Clinton is an example of this. She supported Bill through his infidelities and he supported her run for President and acesension to Secretary of State. That is why divorce and premarital sex destroys the society since it decouples sex and marriage and the legal and societal imperatives of men to produce and provide for their wives and children. When men no longer have to do that they become more dangerous to society.
It used to be that older women controlled the foolish impulses of young women and imposed morality on them. That system has broken down.
Too many young females and they ruin it by providing sex in order to capture a male early without insisting on marriage. The value of women gets devalued when there are too many women. See the dating scene on colleges with more women than men. The men are spoiled and learned they do not need to do much to gain a female.
The women have to learn not to emasculate males and allow them to learn to fight and win. Women have the biological imperative to survive by gaining the attention of the strongest male. Western women not having to survive on that level often demean males.
But not all women do this. There are many women that train their sons to be strong and capable and to want to fight. The USA had a strong fighting tradition among the Jacksonians and that is where many military come from. These men become great soldiers and are strongly supported by their families and women.
Wretchard,
I completely agree with your comment above.
Perhaps because I am fortunate enough to have been married for 36 years (this May 27) to a very strong, but extremely feminine, woman, herself the daughter of a strong father, I have nothing but respect, verging on awe, of women. I think our collective failings, in our present situation, are more the failings of men, “girlie men,” in my governor Ahnold’s phrase (before he slithered off to become one of those himself).
Jamie Irons
JMH, i think i just got a little lost in wordplay –but, might as well finish it off with a flourish: how can no political structure BE a political structure? How can a desired end state of instability ever be unstable?
Hero worship from the left? If Hitler were alive today, and fighting against the United States, the left would love him. All they care about is if someone opposes Western values.
Jamie, we handed it off to those people from Venus, in a big 1914-18 ceremony in northeastern France.
NahnCee, Brock and Wretchard, thank you. I was beginning to feel distinctly misunderestimated.
Annoy Mouse said, “I think that Euro-style feminism has an unhealthy reliance on government as a proxy for male authority.” I submit the problem is not one of feminism over against male authority, but rather of Euro-style (or any other) dependence upon the welfare state versus reliance upon oneself and private sources of assistance such as family, friends, church, and so forth. The solution is a solid education in the foundation of Western civilization and why it is preferable to any other on earth.
How do we take back the schools? I dunno. Perhaps our generous host might start a thread on that question?
I believe I detect a certain determinism in the idea that women are doomed to dependence based upon a XX chromosome, and will leave it to the reader to substitute his or her favorite minority and bad habit to show the silliness of this argument. For myself, if I were married to a man of whom I could or would say such distasteful things as I’ve seen said upthread of certain wives, I’d divorce the b*st*rd posthaste.
How can a desired end state of instability ever be unstable?
By being replaced by something more stable of course. A thugocracy perhaps.
JMH, that does make sense –a stable dictatorship as the perfected instability. really does make sense even if it does sound silly. if stability implies wide and durable then it can’t be any more narrow or fragile than to rest on its smallest possible unit.
if appearances can deceive truths, then truths can deceive appearances –hey look, there’s broad, durable Cuba (or as we would’ve said in JFK’s day, “brahd, durble Koober”).
Oh, bother –
Rotsa ruck “taking back” the schools. The liberal teachers’ unions (talk about your deterministic dependency!) will let go of the schools when the schools are pried out of their cold, dead hand.
On a recent thread (the one on which we were discussing amendments, IIRC), one of the posters made a good, detailed plug for home-schooling, and for taking advantage of current and future technology to bypass the govt schools.
As long as home-schooling, cyber-charter, private and parochial schools remain available alternatives, they should be pursued. Where one sends one’s own children is one issue. Where other people send theirs is another. And defunding those public schools that have failed is yet another issue.
Bogie Wheel: Yeah, I know. Sometimes I’m surprised the new administration hasn’t already moved to declare illegal any source of education other than the public schools, as their chief enemy and source of pushback. I wonder if it’s on their punchlist?
exhelodrvr: Exactly. The left puts me in mind of a child crying himself purple because mommy won’t give him a lollipop, saying, “You’re not my real mom!” This isn’t their real country/culture/ethics/mores/whatever.
Bogie Wheel,
If conservatives ever get back in power, the answer to the teacher’s unions and all public employee unions for that matter is simple: just limit the amount that the union can donate to a political campaign of any kind to some thing like $100.
It can be done easily because they as public servants have effectively a conflict of interest: they are donating to influence an entity, the government, that pays their salary.
Problem solved. Immediately. The public employee union’s source of power is the huge amounts of money they can suck from their members ( and effectively from the taxpayer) to overwhelm their opposition in any campaign. Take away their mullah and they’re toast.
To solve the problems with schools, welfare and most of our problems with our bureaucracies, we must limit the public employee union’s political donations and thus their power.
Bogie,
That might have been me prognosticating about home schooling. With the current 50% drop out rate, we might presume pretty near ALL the public schools are failed. The “more money for teachers” mantra is a joke…as if we’ll be able to pay the ever larger pension liabilities that creates. Spending more money on education is just like spending more money on Detroit automakers. The unions will seize it.
I think the first evidence of real tax revolt will be inspired by the imbalance in local property taxes relative to the declining worth of the property. The tax assessors aren’t using mark-to-market and the bureaucrats need more money.
There’ll be a tax revolt –people “going john galt” as they say –soon enough. O’s icy calm with this sheist storm building behind his Barrikady Iron Werkz is truly unnerving.
Unsk is dead right –if you the owner hired a general contractor to perform a service, and then learned that the general was hiring only subcontractors who bribed him, you’d come freaking unglued. yet that is precisely what is going on here, with the teacher’s unions voting and funding virtually 100% Democrat.
You want work, you join the union = You want work, you bribe the Man
infinitely corrupting, regressing fractals of cynicism in a spiral house of mirrors.
“I think that Euro-style feminism has an unhealthy reliance on government as a proxy for male authority.”
Yea, I agree; but the Nanny State won’t last because it will not stand up to and defeat the threat of Totalitarian Islam. Like an abused woman, the nanny state will take it’s beatings over and over until death. Totalitarian Islam is the abusive masculine tyrant in this metaphor, or a wolf if you prefer. Sad that some women, and the Nanny State herself, won’t turn to the strong, courageous, masculine guard dog. The American guard dog, both the ordinary American man and the United States as a nation, are now chained to the fence as the wolf approaches. I believe the European Socialist Nanny State will die at the hands of the Islamic wolf, or will its self become a Communist or Fascist wolf. The American Socialist Nanny State at least has some hope that the American guard dog of liberty will break out of its chains, and sink its masculine teeth into the Islamic wolf, as well as their Marxist allies.
Utopia Parkway @ 2:
“Normal people in a normal place don’t expect to have to fight off terrorists. If terrorists should ever show up it’s a job for the govt, the military, the police, the press to push them to it. It’s not a job for normal people or a security guard with a pistol.”
Wrong. And precisely why the 2A exists. Also, truly said like a soft, creamy sheeple. (Sorry, but it had to be said.) It is precisely our duty to protect us and ours from all of the bad guys in the world. The local police or agencies have NO fiat to protect the citizen just the society. IOW, maintain order.
“No Duty to Protect” from here:http://psacake.com/dial_911.asp = “Just Dial 911? The Myth of Police Protection”
“It’s not just that the police cannot protect you. They don’t even have to come when you call. In most states the government and police owe no legal duty to protect individual citizens from criminal attack. The District of Columbia’s highest court spelled out plainly the “fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen.””
wretchard @ 31:
“These Taliban guys are challenge, not just to women, but to me. I don’t know if you feel the same way. What do you say boys?”
They are the barbarians at the gate. One of the things that we must protect against. Here is the thing that has happened in relations between the men and women of the west. The Jeffersonians warned against faction. If factions are allowed to run free then they can and will seek to divide.
Here is from the wiki on the politics of faction:
“Similarly, in the tenth installment of the Federalist Papers, James Madison defines a faction as “a number of citizens, whether amounting to a minority or majority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.” In plain English this is a group that pursues self interest at the expense of the common good.”
The key phrase is: “…adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.” Once one faction decides it can use the interests of another to drive the conversation, then all the energy of the political body is taken up in pursuits around or adverse to that control. The statists saw that they could make the conversations in the political body about divisions rather than commonalities and all of the modern ‘movements’ were born. All the energy was taken up in discussing differences rather than solving common problems until we have the Transnationalists in control of the American Republic. Those modern movements are: gays, race groups, women vs men = ‘equal rights’, ethnic groups of all stripes, etc.
We have been royally had. Even wasting time on such subjects can be counterproductive.
Where we are now is this, I believe. We were privileged to live in one of the remarkable eras of human history. An enlightenment of sorts. But, like all good civilizations, it is time for this one to fade away unless, unless something extraordinary is going to be done. As wretchard argues in his 3 conjectures, what we are going to have to do to survive is going to change the civilization. Maybe, just maybe it can survive and prosper again. But we are in for a long hard fight. And maybe some dark age will be around. The Irish recognized what was happening way back when and did things to protect their civilization. We can do the same. It is time to learn to garden, can goods, hunt and other skills that we have lost touch with. Personally, I am stocking up on food, ammo and fuel. And that is for just the near future.
Storm_Rider,
You are correct, but, I think we’ve gone even beyond the Nanny State into the ‘over-weaning’ Mommy State. Nannies don’t have the power to ‘make’ you do something, Mommie’s do.
the oath vows to protect against “…all enemies foreign and domestic”.
re roho’s post, for 320,000,000 million people to split into two 50% factions (meaning neither has enough regard for the other, i.e. the ‘self-interest uber alles’ warned on in the Federalist papers), is almost uncanny –there must be something beyond luck or fortune to account for it –some sort of machine destiny built into the design.
Whatever, we need to find the gremlin and kill it quick, because this sort of balance means nobody defines “America” –meaning we can’t even agree on authority from the Constitution, not if each faction derives a seperate meaning. it would be far better to have thousands, millions, 320 millions of meanings than it is to have two, with each supported by exactly half the people.
In this state we are simply fading to chaos. we have too much and too little at the same time, of both liberty and authority. we are become an image. We are the very picture of action, but it is a still shot.
what to do?
there must be something we can’t yet see, something that has organized us around a mean, some chaotic subsystem acting on the existing system order, something so new we have no coping model for it.
it could be something really destabilizing, like IQ. think, what is new? The information revolution. What information is new? the personal information inside the 99% of people who have heretofore been in the dark but are now on naked display, like brains in jars lined on stainless shelves under sizzling fluorescent lights. Six billion of ‘em, organizing their order along the shelf, according to…what? size? weight? capacity? content? curiosity? surface area? neuron efficiency? energy input/output ratio?
Half of them are below average! Half of them are above average!
True or false:
Pareto’s Principle (the 80-20 rule, the law of the vital few and the principle of factor sparsity) applies, and in one party 80% of the people are on one side of the average, and on the other side of the average are 80% of the other party. The 20% below average in the 80% above average party are static, probably about to go out of warranty. But the 20% above average in the 80% below average party would be situationally dynamic, and would –according to system order law –tend to drive the behavior of the entire system.
So, do the other party’s efforts need to be aimed at that 20%?
I mean, at that 20%, contra the conventional wisdom that must all fight to impress the 5% exact middle of the road undecideds? That assignment that makes us throw up because we HATE that 5% for its not-even-well-done-and-thus-excruciatingly-embarrassing moral posturing?
If so, how?
ok, making a list how to attract that 20%, hmmm.
(1) send Rahm a book –a picture book –about Iwo Jima?
(2) marry my dog?
**** (damn i can’t get very far without falling apart) ***
Holy Mary, Mother of God…STOP THE PRESSES!!!
I just got an Email on the following: Occidental College has just released all records of a Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian Foreign Student who applied for, and, got a full tuition Fullbright Scholarship (see below). But it does not give a source for the article, and, the person listed as the Sender is not the person that sent me the Email (my wifes female first cousin). Emails flying…I will find out where this came from!!
_______________________________
— On Sat, 4/25/09, (Redacted) wrote:
Subject: Fw: Obama’s Citizenship
— Interesting development.
Here’s some fuel for your firepot. This information is enough to start a ground swell for recall of Obama, he is not a natural born citizen!!!!!!!!
April 1, 2009
AP- WASHINGTON D.C. – In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obamas qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for
Freedom of Information has released copies of President Obamas college transcripts from Occidental College.
Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obamas detractors have been seeking.
The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obamas legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.
Meanwhile, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs scoffed at the report stating that this was obviously another attempt by a right-wing conservative group to discredit the president and undermine the administrations efforts to move the country in a new direction.
Britain’s Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, Obama Eligibility Questioned, leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obamas first official visit to the U.K.
In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obamas legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrios case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obamas citizenship or qualification to serve as president.
Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obamas campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.
I don’t know Gordon, look at the date.
Arghhhh! You’re right! That tells me it’s already dead and buried, thanks to the $1,000,000 little Barry has paid the Law Firm hired to bury any story that might save this Nation.
As my Wife’s Cousin Billie June, said: “He has now spent $1,000,000.00 on lawyer fees to keep his records out of the hands of the ‘People”.
Who, but someone guilty, would do this?
This is the first breakthrough of any kind. Of course, Eric Holder will not help!”
I suspect she senses the futility of expecting anything out of a man that was Janet Reno’s #2. But, Billy is really an unusual woman, anyway, a Conservative Republican, who’s stock just dived to the point that she’s mad enough to take her Gun to the Mall…in DC. I believe she’s ramping up to demand a Million Gun March…and, as Mr. Reagan said (paraphrase), “…it may be our last, best hope of saving America…”
Annoy Mouse: ‘silence on the part of women’
I don’t think that women are silent. ‘Official women’ are, and they are fools on every issue.
Two stories, both told from women.
One, a lady from Manchester. Her sister married into a muslim family. There was a family do, and her and her family went. The men ate first, and then she found out that the bones that the men had chewed were mixed back into the stew for the women. She was disgusted. And she and her family left the UK for north america.
Two. Working for a couple on their home, the lady, out of the blue, tells about a woman who they met in some holiday spot. From the Netherlands, a professional. Looking for somewhere to move to away from the muslims.
This article is about how the intelligensia and business and political leaders watch the encroachment of radical islam into their lives, towns. Looking for an easy way to appease, to hope beyond hope that they will moderate, be nice, assimilate in contact with civilized people. They will sacrifice the odd victim in hopes of appeasing the beast. This isn’t new. Virgins were the favorite victim in hope of some benefit.
But it won’t work, it never has. And as Wretchard said, where are the men? If there are weak women or men in power, it is the result of people wanting weak men or women in power.
I know many strong women, very strong and powerful. My role as a man is to use my superior strength to protect them if needed. I’ve had few situations where that was necessary. So far.
Derek
#1 authortarianisn as a Narcissistic trait:
“Narcissists are totally and inflexibly authoritarian. In other words, they are suck-ups. They want to be authority figures and, short of that, they want to be associated with authority figures. In their hearts, they know they can’t think well, have no judgment about what matters, are not connected with the world they inhabit, so they cling fanatically to the opinions of people they regard as authority figures…”
They worship Castro, Che, et al because that is who they’d like to be. If they had the courage.
…and Castro, Che, saddam, et al, in turn worship Stalin (he died in power, a winner), “…because that is who they’d like to be. If they had the courage.”
well…they do (did) have the courage –just not the guns, thank goodness.
Buddy,
There is a good chance that Stalin was poisoned, and, the little dwarf, Berin (Head of Stalins Secret Police), set up a vigil at his bedside to ensure it happened.
well, i guess Beria figured arsenic is as good a substitute for free elections as any. hell at least they didn’t have an election and end up with Gort & Doogie Howser.
The consensus is that Beria used Warfarin….
Based on the symptoms.
At the time Warfarin would have been new and novel. It is tasteless and can be ingested right along with the victim, should the need arise. A counter-drug could be taken before or after.
Beria made his move when it became obvious that Stalin was going to ‘refresh’ his crew: ie retire the old guard.
he was about ready to spring the “doctor’s plot” too, aping Hitler’s obsession.
Blert,
The article I read was written shortly after Stalins death, and, covered why the ‘Bloody Dwarf” made his move, but, it didn’t say what type of poison was used. With the resources at the disposal of the Secret Police, he could have called up the medicine cabinet of a gentle Lady of the House of Medici.
Buddy,
It’s too bad that Hitler didn’t have a Dwarf of his own, with reflexes a little faster than Berias.
I’ve never read anything about the “Doctors Plot,” would you by any chance have a Link? The Romanov’s are on my Bloodline, and, I’m interested in anything to do with Russia or the USSR, specifically if it deals with internal Plots and Cross-Plots.
I’ll do a search on Beria, and, “Doctors Plot.”
Gordon, Stalin had decided (surprise!) da Jooos were after him, and he was gonna strike first –the “Doctor’s Plot”.
can’t go far wrong backing da Jooos –by their enemies shall ye know them –IOW, every slap-happy homocidal maniac dictator wanna-be somehow has to get rid of them first.
Buddy,
If the “Joos” were not after him, suffering the Pogroms, everyone beneath Stalin (with any power) was trying to find a way to off him, and, walk away in his shoes.
The Plots and Counter-Plots within the various Secret Agencies and Departments probably killed half of Moscow in their Inter-Agency Wars…they all wanta Dacha’s on the Black Sea.