Notes from the underground
The true hallmark of a radical is that ability to say something every listener intuitively knows is true but has never heard before. It is the ability to go to the root, which lies right at our feet; for ‘root’ is where the word itself is derived. Vaclav Klaus, the second president of the Czech Republic, is not a secular saint. He’s a politician, with his own history of scheming and compromise. But leaving the man aside, many of his ideas are derived from the secret literature of the longest running resistance movement in European history: the dialectical challenge to the totalitarianisms of the last century, the central pillar of which is Marxism. It is largely a secret history because a detailed account of the struggle against Communist totalitarianism would reverberate uncomfortably in the intellectual halls of the West.
To listen to Klaus is therefore to simultaneously hear echoes of the past and intimations of the future. For as Klaus notes in his recent speech about ‘Europeism’ which is excerpted after the “Read More”, some of the ideas which his generation fought so hard to defeat behind the Iron Curtain have found new and darker homes in the intellectual centers of Western Civilization; and now stride forward in their mutant forms into the public space. But while Klaus’ speech is ostensibly addressed to Europeans, it is really pitched at a wider audience. In the United States — and even the repressed and fundamentalist societies of the Middle East — an expanded state control over the individual is being increasingly pitched as the face of the future. Klaus’ speech argues that it is no such novelty but an ancient and corrupted thing; that underneath the smooth production values, the cunning sound-bites and outwardly youthful appearances, the deceptive packaging of hope and change, this progressivism is nothing but freedom’s old enemy — and man’s.
My wife says that it is because I don’t speak French. Maybe it’s true but it may also be because I am choosing wrong topics or that my views are politically incorrect. This is certainly true when I speak about Europe and the European Union, and especially when I criticize the currently dominant European ideology I call Europeism. I am afraid that – in the last couple of years – this loosely structured, rather heterogeneous, not coherently described, formulated, analyzed and defended “conglomerate of ideas” has achieved an enormous strength and that it influences our thinking, our policies, our way of life more than we are aware of.
The main aspects of Europeism, as I see them, can be summarized in the following way:
- the belief in social market economy, and the demonization of free markets;
- the reliance on civil society, on NGOs, on social partnership, on corporatism, instead of classical parliamentary democracy;
- the aiming at social constructivism as a result of the disbelief in spontaneous evolution of human society;
- indifference towards the nation state and blind faith in internationalism;
- the promotion of the supranationalist model of European integration, not its intergovernmental model.
Everyone who follows the French political, philosophical, economic, or sociological discourse knows that my position (which means my strong disagreement with this doctrine) goes directly against the politically correct stances in France and, what is probably even more serious, against the deeply rooted and centuries old views of the French intelligencia. With all my affection for France, this country is for me more Colbert than Bastiat, more Fourier and Saint-Simon than Say and Turgot, more Sartre than Aron. There is, therefore, no surprise that I am not regularly invited to speak here.
The issue of Europe and of its future has stayed with me since the fall of communism in spite of other topical issues. It is not surprising. The undergoing weakening of democracy and of free markets on the European continent, connected with the European unification process, is a threatening phenomenon especially for someone who spent most of his life in a very authoritative and oppressive communist regime. I consider, therefore, the marching towards an ever-closer Europe (which is one of the crucial tenets of Europeism) a mistaken project. This ambition was the main building block of the European Constitution and it remains without substantial change in its new version, in the Lisbon Treaty.
The gradual shift from liberalizing and removing all kinds of barriers towards a massive introduction of regulation and harmonization from above, the ever-expanding, overgenerous welfare system, the innovative, and more sophisticated forms of protectionism, the continuously growing legal and regulatory burdens on business, the markets undermining quasicompetition policies, the Single Currency arrangements, are all very real. They weaken and restrain freedom, democracy and democratic accountability, not to speak about economic efficiency, entrepreneurship and competitiveness.
The Czech EU Presidency slogan “Europe without barriers” attempts to bring the original ambitions of European integration – the liberalization, the opening-up, the getting rid of barriers and of protectionism – back to our agenda. And rightly so, because this is more than needed.
I consistently speak about it because I do care about Europe. For me, and my country, the EU membership has never had any alternative, but saying that does not imply that we are willing to accept the dogma that the forms and the methods of the EU institutional arrangements don’t have alternatives. To take one as sacrosanct, as the only permitted and politically correct one, is unacceptable. The right of the people to say “yes” or “no” to the European Constitution or to the Lisbon Treaty or to any other similar document should be considered sacred. This right represents the genuine substance (and meaning) of Europe. The attacks on those who dare say “no” to the attempts to accelerate the deepening of the EU, which is the essence and aim of the Lisbon Treaty, are attacks against the true nature of Europe.
Having said that, let me turn to two other issues I consider significant. I see another big problem in environmentalism and in its currently most aggressive form – global warming alarmism. This ideology has gradually turned into the most efficient vehicle for advocating extensive government intervention into all fields of life and for suppressing human freedom and economic prosperity.
I am frustrated that this ideology has not been sufficiently challenged both inside and outside of climatology. We keep hearing one-sided propaganda, but do not hear serious counter-arguments. It is also evident that the debate should go beyond climatology. We should not accept dividing human beings into climatologists and the uninformed, and rather naive rest of us. The global warming debate is a complex issue and climatology is only a part of it.
There is in this debate a special role for the economic profession, because we have developed a scientific sub-discipline called „the economics of global warming“. The economists should come up with their arguments about the inexhaustibility of resources, including energy resources, on condition they are rationally used, which means with the help of undistorted prices and well-defined property rights. They should supply us with comprehensive studies about the costs and benefits of the currently proposed “green” measures and policies. They should prepare – even to non-specialists understandable – arguments about the very complicated relationship between different time horizons (discussed in the economic theory by means of discounting). They should return to the elementary economic argumentation about the rational risk aversion (which would help to undermine the fuzzy and fundamentalist precautionary principle, used by the environmentalists), and they should bring back the discussions about the positive role of markets, prices, property rights and about the tragic consequences of the unavoidable government failure connected with ambitions to do such things as controlling global climate.
The third issue, I would like to mention here today, is the current financial and economic crisis. I recently spent three full days discussing this topic at the World Economic Forum in Davos and my feeling is that the rationality and the economic science have been suppressed or forgotten. The very unpleasant, day by day deeper economic crisis should be accepted as a standard economic phenomenon, as an unavoidable consequence and hence a “just” price we have to pay for the long-term playing with the market by the politicians. Their attempts to blame the market, instead of themselves, are unacceptable and should be resolutely rejected. Their activities, aiming at “reforming” the economic system, are all very doubtful and I as said in Davos: I am getting more afraid of these reforms than of the crisis itself.
Looking for ways out, we should – to use an analogy – strictly differentiate between fighting the fire and drafting fire protection legislation. We have to concentrate on the first task now; the second one can be done gradually, without haste and panic. A large increase in the scope of financial regulation, as is being proposed these days, will only prolong the recession.
Aggregate demand needs strengthening. One traditional way to do this is to increase government spending, mostly on public infrastructure projects, on condition these are available. It would be much more helpful, however, to initiate a radical reduction of all kinds of restrictions on private initiatives introduced in the last half a century during the era of the brave new world of the “social and ecological market economy”. The best thing to do right now would be to temporarily weaken, if not permanently repeal, various labour, environmental, social, health and other “standards”, because they block human activity more than anything else.
In the moment of the fall of communism, almost 20 years ago, I did not expect to experience such a degree of government intervention into my own life as I face now. I am, therefore, convinced that fighting for freedom and free markets remains the task of the day. We may be, some of us, oversensitive in this respect but I am sure it is – in principle – not about our personal oversensitivity. It is about the real dangers we see around us. I tried to talk about some of them this morning.






What’s Up With The States Rights and Sovereignty Movement
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New Hampshire Bill
Dunno if anyone said it yet… Klaus for President of USA!
(I know, not possible, he would not fake his BC, but it would be a dream come true)
Popular Front socialism is all of a piece. The American liberal version and the Russian Marxist-Leninist version differ only in degree.
The intellectual project of this does indeed go back to the French Enlightenment so blaming the French is perfectly appropriate. Jean-Francois Revel is looking more and more relevant these days.
Too little, too late, only a violent derailment will stop the ruling elite from gaining their thrones in America, the mob rules and the Praetorian Guard (MSM) one might say is now the King Maker, Socialism is the preferred method of life taught by Academia, its propaganda organ has learned to watch careful its words and that the pie is best eaten byte by byte and not the whole at a time.
Funny, Klaus doesn’t mention lowering taxes as a stimulus.
He’s good but he is still European.
Klaus must be completely wrong, just look at Europe’s banking’s potential toxic time bomb, he clearly doesn’t know that the second law of thermodynamics is suspended in Europe, per the Lisbon Treaty.
ADE
Bob, he probably did not mention it because he knows how far he would get with it in those circles. He did lower taxes during his PM tenure.
Actually, I think that a supranational European government might actually be a good idea; provided, that is, that it is democratically elected and uses the way that the USA was intended to be as a model; that is, a federation of states with clear separation of powers. There would undoubtedly be differences, because the USA started out a lot more homogeneous in culture (and obviously language) than Europe is or (hopefully) ever will be.
This wouldn’t even be without precedent in Europe; witness Switzerland, and they seem to be doing pretty well.
The real problem in Europe as a whole, and in individual European countries as well, is a creeping centrism and total lack of democratic oversight in major institutions. And one looming problem is the upcoming admission of Turkey to the EU. They don’t belong. At all. Not because of geography, either.
Fletcher C
lack of democratic oversight
It’s far worse than that. The elite hate the workers, the lumpenproletariate, the great unwashed.
Even worse, the proles feel they deserve to be hated.
So Europe is top down, and those down at the bottom like it. No personal responsibility, you see?
Hopeless. What’s needed is a completely new continent that can start afresh, and the people can assert themselves. Er…
No wonder the Euros hate America – especially the proles. In that country, they would have to accept personal responsility.
ADE
Great post Wretchard. Good related reads at pajamas media are the pieces “We Are All Fascists Now” by Michael Ledeen. It is at the dark heart of these systems that the individual is completely co-opted. All are just varying shades of gray.
I was struck by the reliance on techniques (in Ellul’s sense) in two points Klaus made:
– the belief in social market economy, and the demonization of free markets;
…
- the aiming at social constructivism as a result of the disbelief in spontaneous evolution of human society;
I remember how my generation demonized the machine we perceived society to be and two thoughts come to mind:
Pogo’s: “we have met the enemy and he is us”
and
Pete Townshend: “Meet the new boss; same as the old boss”
Let’s celebrate President Klaus
Who Euros must think is a louse
He wants to be free
And by God, so do we
But a bolshie is running our House.
L3
Der Spiegel (online English version) now has a series of articles on the sovreignity and democracy issues involoved in the Lisbon Treaty, which are now being addressed by Germany’s high court. I haven’t made my way through all the articles yet, but they are worth a read.
Great post Wretch, thanks.
The European project is fundamentally different in purpose than the American. America was conceived of as a more efficient economic integration of a collection of essentially culturally homogenous and peaceful states governed by a free people. Four generations later the built in tensions exploded in an episode of Civil War that is remarkable for how little rancor it left in its wake. The imperfect assimilation of one minority group has however persisted with disastrous consequences.
Europe was designed to coerce cooperation between hostile primitive tribal nation states that had a long history of conflict, that had twice in a quarter century exploded into global war, and who were riven with dozens of unassimilated minorities and irredentist claims. The tool of economic integration was used as a fig leaf to cover the purpose of establishing a power that could defang passionate communities.
The defects of Europeism that Vaclav Klaus decries are not a bug of the system but a feature. One consequence of this for Americans is that we need to understand that despite it’s wealth and population on paper the European leg of Nato is designed to be militarily ineffective. The founders of the European Economic Community, Robert Schumann and Paul Henri Spaak must have observed the feckless performance of German troops in Afghanistan and smiled. UNfortunately so has Vladimir Putin and many others.
Den Beste was right.
It is interesting to note that Klaus does not get along at all with Vaclav Havel whose New Years Speech I linked to 5 threads back in “Opening the package.” The Wiki article on Klaus is remarkably open in its bias but gives some background for the dispute.
@Cannoneer No.4,
Well done, wonder why there are no comments available for the old Club post?
Thanks for sharing that!
“There is, therefore, no surprise that I am not regularly invited to speak here.”
To whom was he speaking; what was the forum?
Great find – and I guess I have to part ways with the Belmont Thesis regarding the fate of the Bolshevik core. Wretch touches it when he observes that the Revolution always festooned itself with outer front groups of various character. Unfortunately the second observation – that the Bolshevik inner core withered away – is, in my opinion, incorrect. They just don’t get much air time.
Great post W!
For individials who are comfortable with their personal responsibilities the trends are indeed ominous.
One positive trend, if allowed by the Dept of Immigration, is to let those Europeans who are like minded and feel threatened come to America. At the same time those who are like minded with the Socialists and Global Warming Alarmists of Europe can be encouraged to emmigrate to Europe.
I have been sick about how USA gets used by EU. This comes from a former European who is now a proud naturalized American.
Lastly, thanks Canoneer No. 4 for keeping that connection open!
Salaam eleikum, Y’all!
The main aspects of Europeism, as I see them, can be summarized in the following way:
- the belief in social market economy, and the demonization of free markets;
- the reliance on civil society, on NGOs, on social partnership, on corporatism, instead of classical parliamentary democracy;
- the aiming at social constructivism as a result of the disbelief in spontaneous evolution of human society;
- indifference towards the nation state and blind faith in internationalism;
- the promotion of the supranationalist model of European integration, not its intergovernmental model.
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Recent critique labeled Republicans as the Party of Nope for their opposition to stimulus bill. Good criticism.
One of the (many undoubtedly) reasons that concerns over resurrection of socialist/fascist ideology is not receiving any traction is failure of Republican Party to articulate an alternative vision, such as the one implied by the the five points above. Gingrich tried to build a practical platform to support an oppositional vision but Clinton very cleverly confused the distinctions through triangulation. Reagan made the case through force of personality buttressed by very real events that toppled in his favor.
What happened to modern Republicans? For one thing they left (federal) government. Many of them relocated to K Street lobbying firms. The rest went into private business and state government. Republicans today are a (small) minority in Washington. As I read it, Klaus is concerned that the mini pendulum swings intra-country will coalesce (confluence?) into a giant swing back into socialist/fascist government.
Stateside we are treated to phrases like “failed policies of the past” and “we didn’t ask for this responsibility but we accept it.” This is how I see it: as long as “events” are framed within the context of mitigating circumstances left over like so much ideological litter from a failed Republican vision – and make no mistake, that IS the context – the concerns articulated by Klaus (and this board) will find no fertile ground. The alternative vision (opposite of Nope) must be, not just articulated, but strategically and more importantly, distinguished from the Republican abandonment of government (aside from a small handful, there was no one worth voting for – the ones remaining fell to scandal – very little bench depth except for unknowns with nominal electibility) and, in the popular arena of public opinion, from George Bush, who was and is almost single-handedly tearing apart the Party as the single most divisive element in the post-Reagan years. The pendulum won’t swing back until Republicans make that positive connection raised by NahnCee’s friend and daughter. It must obvious that Republicans have failed miserably to make that connection and do nobody a service by singling out specific demographic groups as objects of derisive scorn. Make the case for ideas, such as those outlined by Klaus above, that translate into functional institutions designed to support and defend the objectives of life, liberty, and pursuit. You’d be surprised at how many of those stupid [fill in the blank] will get in the foxhole with you.
slightly o/t, wonder what to make of this guy. i think i see about five ‘tells’ (i mean beyond the obvious topic, and i’ve only read half of it) that he has a bust-USA agenda.
He says he started this project in 2005, and has just now taken down his website due (he says) to there being ‘nothing left to warn about since the meltdown is underway’.
What he’s been doing is speaking, with the credibility of his background, to groups of people, i’m thinking wealthier, professional, investor, opinion-maker groups.
Speaking for several years to these sorts of select hubs, delivering a bombshell message sure to spread, makes him more than just an “aw shucks, just trying to help” sort of character he self-describes. Summer of 2005 is when the bad paper volumes went parabolic in every way, quality collapsed, process speeded up, number of contracts ballooned, prices go moonwalking.
And that’s right when this character (and how many more like him?) kicks in. And then sometime [i'm guessing] around inauguration date, he takes down his site and as he says starts winding up up the project. If what he’s been doing was ‘assigned’, then when the first team takes the field would be a logical time to close out.
I’m probably seeing shadows again. But it’s up on instapundit. It’s long and dense, and maybe Reynolds didn’t close-read, or isn’t a paranoid. But since i AM a paranoid, i’m putting it here for y’all to look at if you’re so inclined.
speaking of inclined, i think i’ll go fiddle around on my roof.
Slade’s points are well taken. To paraphrase P. J. O’Rourke–who said it far more eloquently in a recent essay — we have no one to blame but ourselves. Beginning with the election of Reagan, we had 20 years in which to make our case for free markets, unrestricted political expression, property rights, and limited government. We failed miserably, and now all of us — the wise and foolish alike — are reaping the result.
ADE – Oh yes, the thing about personal responsibility. Well, speaking for myself, I think that at least in the UK, one big difference is that in the US if you try and fail to set up for yourself in business, and go bankrupt, it is universally thought of as acceptable, just one of those things – and you just dust yourself off, get up and start again.
In the UK, go bankrupt once and the legal and financial system does its level best to make sure you never can get up again. The reason? They don’t want you to try in the first place.
And therefore, if you have dependent relatives, it is somewhat irresponsible to take risks with your future. Unfortunately, these days if anyone starting out asks what they should do for a living my answer always is – Get a nice safe government job, local or national doesn’t matter. Total job security, good salary, 6 weeks’ holiday per year and you can stretch that to 10-12 weeks with judicious use of sick leave, and the remaining weeks you work 35 hours – and those are hours of your choosing. Oh, and a gold-plated, utterly safe pension that you would have to put half your salary into (if allowed) to get the same benefits in private industry.
Given my time again, that is just what I’d do. The system here is completely against enterprise and entrepreneurship. Deliberately so, and it gets tiresome banging your head on a brick wall for decades.
Utopianism can always rely on the argument that “we just haven’t given x or y a chance, etc.” We just haven’t spent enough money (e.g. Congress, or Kansas today). Or killed enough capitalist roaders (Marxists at all times).
EU utopianism does a great job appropriating the great inspirational music of the culture, in which the great composers have soared towards the ideal and thrilled their audiences with the possibilitiy and joy of the transcendent. The EU and fellow travellers adopt the power of art in the service of the new age.
The anthem of the EU is Beethoven’ “Ode to Joy” from the 9th Symphony.
A real tear-jerking winner is “The World in Union”, with lyrics by Charlie Skarbek, which is a theme song for the Rugby (Union) World Cup. The song (via Wiki) “attempts to capture the spirit of international friendship which pervades rugby union culture the world over.”
The tune is taken from Jupiter, a section of Gustav Holst’s Planets Suite, and was originally adapted by Holst for its use in the English / Anglican patriotic hymn, “I Vow To Thee My Country”.
Shirley Bassey did the honors at the original performance, but the acknowledged diva is Kiri te Kanawa, whose powerful (and to me ultimately depressing, in terms of its message) rendition you can access on the net.
Sing along and weep:
“The World in Union
There’s a dream
I feel so rare, so real
All the world in union
The world as one
Gathering together
One mind, one heart
Every creed, every colour
Once joined, never apart
Searching for the best in me
I will find what I can be
If I win, lose or draw
There’s a winner in us all
It’s the world in union
The world as one
As we climb to reach our destiny
A new age has begun
We face high mountains
Must cross rough seas
We must take our place in history
And live with dignity
Just to be the best I can
Sets the role for everyman
If I win lose or draw
It’s victory for all.
It’s the world in union
The world as one
As we climb to reach our destiny
A new age has begun
It’s the world in union
The world as one
As we climb to reach our destiny
A new age has begun
It’s the world
The world in union
A new age has begun
The Way We Live Now: 9-16-01: Questions for Bill Ayers; Forever Radical
Just as Karl Marx would have wished: “Get a nice safe government job…”
“The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state… Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property” Karl Marx
I don’t believe the Marxist/Socialist Nanny State will remain benign; human nature being what it is, the Marxist Nanny State will morph into the Marxist Tyrant State (Yes, you can use the “C” word). Marxists (Including the American Marxist leaders of the Democratic Party) do not like or trust the middle class entrepreneurial happiness pursuing individual – especially the individual made in God’s image; but why should we trust individuals comprising the elite Marxist ruling class? Aren’t our emerging Marxist rulers also made of the same flesh and blood?
“You must, therefore, confess that by “individual” you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must, indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible.” Karl Marx
Ultimately there is no difference between Marxism and Fascism, Monarchy or Oligarchy. The whole idea in all of these unjust and ultimately tyrannical systems of government is the presence of an elite ruling class; i.e.: the opposite of government of the people, by the people and for the people. Is the government established by our founding fathers perishing from the earth?
“The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.” Thomas Jefferson
“Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master!” Thomas Jefferson
“Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.” Thomas Jefferson
“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.” Thomas Jefferson
“The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.” Thomas Jefferson
“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.” Abraham Lincoln
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I wonder whether the idea is to have a “rogue” state launch on our troop concentrations, betting that if they are destroyed Obama can lead the US plausibly into isolation, foregoing revenge, and “recognizing that American arrogance around the world has brought this upon us and only American withdrawal to her natural borders can repair the damage done.” and then a badly damaged America reorganizes the economy, civil unrest is created, Obama’s “army of community organizers” is put in place,” and so on.
Hm. Well i’m probably getting ahead of myself but with Russia’s recent brazen manuevors in central asia, the increasing isolation of USA in Afghanistan and the coming East Europe bankruptcy, dragging Europe’s remaining interest in NATO with it, not to mention the recent Russia-China deal and today Russia’s declaration that it is not interested in curtailing its support for Iran’s (Russia’s) nuclear program… I dunno. Things are moving quickly now. They seem poised to accelerate. Toward what? I think we can guess, more or less.
Storm Rider,
Interesting point.
I wonder about the racial profiling the govt likes to do with their applications. Why does race and gender matter? A good answer is a visit to any unemployment agency. Look at who is on the other side of the desk. The very vast majority of the beurocrats are “minorities”. I venture 90 to 95%, products of affirmative action. I am willing to bet the vast majority of govt workers union members are as well.
I am afraid because it will be painful but your last paragraph: “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln; may be neccessary. how sad.
A “depressed” Salaam eleikum to you
Mark: let us not blame Ole Ludwig van for the EU colleagues’ perfidy.
He would have had nothing good to say about them at all, particularity the Fwench ones.
The “European Dream” of a newer, better, more enlightened American-style democratic nation is simply a fantasy that fails to take into consideration that continent’s people’s inability or reluctance to assimilate. By supporting and maintaining “multiculturalism” they ensure separatism. America East ain’t ever gonna happen.
Lets not forget that the first national socialist was Napoleon Bonaparte. Hitler was keenly aware of this model, that and of course the other phenom he cherished: a takfiri to enforce it all.
None of this lost on Dominique de Villepain either.
Churchill said there cannot be socialism without a gestapo to enforce it.
History recalls, how great the fall can be
While everybody’s sleeping, the boats put out to sea
Borne on the wings of time
It seemed the answers, were so easy to find
“Too late” the prophets cry
The islands sinking, lets take to the sky!!
Called the man a fool, stripped him of his pride
Everyone was laughing,
until the day he died
And though the wound went deep,
And still he’s calling, us out of our sleep!
My friends, we’re not alone
He waits in silence, to lead us all home!
So you tell me that its hard to grow
Well, I know, I know, I know…
And you tell me that you’ve many seeds, to sow
Well, I know, I know, I know…
Can you hear what I’m saying?
Can you see the parts that I’m Playing?
HOLY MAN, ROCKER MAN, COME ON QUEENIE
JOKER MAN, SPIDER MAN, BLUE-EYED MEANIE
So you’ve found a solution?
What will be you’re last contribution?
LIVE IT UP, RIP IT UP, WHY SO LAZY?
SHOVE IT OUT, DISH IT OUT, LET’S GO CRAZY! Yeah!
Fool’s Overture -Hodgson, Davies
Hitler’s national socialism and and Stalin’s international communism fought to the tune of 150 million killed, all to decide whether the capital of socialism would be in Moscow or Berlin, and now it resides where it all started,
in Paris, or is it some other french speaking place, such as Brusque, to serve as cover?
Marzouq,
Marxism can be understood in metaphor. American Marxism is a giant gun-clinging Robin Hood which robs the hard-working happiness-pursuing middle class individual (bourgeoisie) through excessive taxation, and redistributes wealth to the non-hard-working classes (proletariat). American Marxists must paint the new proletariat in racial or ethnic terms in order to create a new and tangible vision of “social justice.” Racial and ethnic divisions can be used in this scheme even more effectively than pure economic divisions between rich and poor, and all the better in their calculations.
The problem with Marxism is that it is poison to the natural work ethic, i.e.: the natural desire of man to invent and achieve; and this suppression of human creativity is equally smeared onto the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. Why work hard as the middle class owner of property if your property is confiscated by the Marxist State? Why work hard as the proletariat if you don’t have to? In the end no one works hard and the nation crashes to its knees in serfdom and poverty – everyone except of course for the elite Marxist ruling class. The Marxist term “social justice” is an Orwellian trick – a rhetorical lie – Marxist Socialism is social injustice.
Read Animal Farm.
“Marxist ideals of forced equality can only be enforced by a government with totalitarian powers, and will thus inevitably lead to a totalitarian society. There is no “enlightened Marxism,” and the idea that there is has ruined more lives than probably and other ideology in modern history. Marxism is an organized crime against humanity.” Fjordman
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2125/print
Hopeless. What’s needed is a completely new continent that can start afresh, and the people can assert themselves. Er…
Paging Lex Luthor to this thread…
A question to all American Citizens here – please keep in mind this is all hypothetical, I am not going to use the S word here: What is more important to you – a) living within the territory of the United States or b) living under the constitution as it was intended by our founding fathers? If it came down to it would you forgo a) to have b)?
dan, toward social collapse.
The problem with Marxism is that it is first and foremost and ultimately *a weapon.* It was born of revolutionary paroxysm; it was hardened in revolutionary war. It was innovated in political wars against the crowns of Europe. It culminated in the Bolsheviks, the Fascists, the National Socialists. Its essence is deceit and self-deceit and violence. In a word, Total War. That’s what it is. Where, for example, does Marx even attempt to paint the picture of the world following the success of the dictatorship of the proletariat? Nowhere. There is nothing but violence and italicized rage throughout his work.
“A question to all American Citizens here – please keep in mind this is all hypothetical, I am not going to use the S word here: What is more important to you – a) living within the territory of the United States or b) living under the constitution as it was intended by our founding fathers? If it came down to it would you forgo a) to have b)?”
Setting aside that being forced from a) in order to enjoy b) is anathema, the choice is easy: FREEDOM
And that’d be b).
@ cannoneer 37…
Orlov’s thesis inre USA is too full of holes.
The bulk of our freight run on rails and barges both of which could retro transition back to coal fired steam — in the worst case.
Even more to the point: the USA is still the third largest producer of oil and has amazing reserves up in the Dakotas.
Our capital base is generally cutting edge: that of the USSR in 1990 was anything but.
Our troubles as they come will be politically self-inflicted. BHO is just the tyrant to do it.
Islamic Subversion
Agreed – Orlov’s analysis is, briefly, too Soviet. Historical patterns are powerful but meaningless. Most of their power – as distinct from their aesthetic value – results from animating actual imaginations, particularly imaginations who direct cunning, servile, disciplined battalions of revolutionary hatchetmen and thermonuclear political economies the size of… Russia. Interesting link, though, thanks. I’m reading his slideshow. I still prefer Yuri Bezmenov’s explanation of events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj0Id3BLFco
Here’s another Yuri Bezmenov link. What amazing success our American Marxists have had, especially when you realize that Marxism is a political ideology which is the direct enemy of our Declaration of Independence.
http://rodgers.smartvideochannel.com/media/PlayVideo.aspx?cid=4F582650AD594F4E88AC23D487F9CAC9
The role of France in promoting the European project merits consideration. On the one hand the French Intellectuals are well aware of the destructive role that nationalism and patriotism have played in the both their history and their neighbors. At some level many might believe themselves to be members of a new aristocracy unbound by loyalty to any traditions or community. On the other hand France’s neighbors are well aware that France is herself the place of origin for many of these ideologies. The entire concept of “National Socialism” was coined by Maurice Barrè, an anti-semite who who excoriated the Jews as deracionated threats not truly worthy of citizenship under lex solis and unqualified for citizenship under jus sanguinis.
I read Orlov’s analysis also. All I can say is I at least sympathize with the leftists who must feel like they are constantly on the edge of a nervous breakdown. The key difference being they are upset that a society that has never existed and will never exist – on this plane of existence anyhow – hasn’t replaced the current hated system. Whereas we are trying to prevent the complete breakdown of the current system, imperfect as it may be, for we know that it beats the absolute hell that Orlov describes.
re #45:
“The role of France… French intellectuals… aware of the destructive role of nationalism and patriotism…”
Are you kidding? The ugly and repulsive history of Paris illustrates the dominant roles of cowardice and betrayal in the French intellectual mindset.
Recall the Paris newspaper headline when the city was liberated by whoever it was: “Paris se libere”: Paris liberates itself.
The European project is German muscle/French brain. You can get no uglier than that.
As to direct government intervention into the citizens’ personal daily lives, look to the Simulus Bill’s appropriation of $30 billion (in the House version at least) for the “Smart Grid.”
While technical improvements in transmission and distribution is welcome, the “Demand Response” measures embedded within the Smart Grid should give one pause. Since we will move to wind and solar, inherently unreliable, when these peter-out, the only choice is to reach in with computer technology (including Bluetooth-equipped meters, thermostats, and major appliances) and reduce your home’s consumption of electricity.
Look for a future American Thinker article on this topic.
“”"”"”"Marxists (Including the American Marxist leaders of the Democratic Party) do not like or trust the middle class entrepreneurial happiness pursuing individual – especially the individual made in God’s image; but why should we trust individuals comprising the elite Marxist ruling class?”"”"”"”
I once had a friend who recoiled at the word “prosperity,” and insisted that Americans shoud strive for “adequacy” instead.
I should mention that this dickweed had a 44-foot powerboat and a house on the canal in Boca Raton. I refused to have anything to do with him or his kind after that.
One does not wish to appear bitter about one’s French friends. There is always a humourous side to them, is there not.
I read today that Sarkozy’s latest bimbo wife gives a “controversial” interview stapling his tiny balls to the wall, saying in effect that he’s a tantrum prone little boy who needs calming down.
I also read that the Quebec secessionists have caused the cancellation of a ceremonial re-enactment of the battle of Quebec, because, quelle horreur, the English won.
You can’t get much funnier than that.
@Cosmeau Bugleweed,
As I pointed out back in #17 the European project has accomplished something. German muscle isn’t what it was previously advertised as. Since WW-II the Bundeswehr has participated in exactly two operations. They failed to intimidate Milosovic and had to turn to the Americans. In Afghanistan they have developed a reputation for being obese alcoholics of no military value. To be fair the vaunted militarist Germans have not really won a war since 1871. The military reputation of the French has however risen by comparison. As far as the current reputation of the “French brain” I will let others have fun with that.
@50: Notice the way Obama’s wife treats him in public? The same way. It seems like Obama makes it a point to let everyone know how p-whipped he is.
France has been co-opted by Russia where they have not simply been the victims of their own vainglory. There is something perverse in the French character that has lately utterly ruined the great things it is also capable of. Really though a review of France from 1940 – 1968 with a special eye to Soviet Russia really goes a long way towards explaining their and our current difficulties. Or could their teaming up with Russia and China (and Iraq) (and Qaddafi) and all that Chirac-ian fulimating against the “Anglo-Saxons” be simple French vanity? Forgive me, that is a schoolboyish explanation. They were promised something they obviously have not been given, but nonetheless still blindly strive after. Something Mephistophelean.
The military reputation of the French has however risen by comparison
As in “French military victories”? Google it and click on the first link.
@dan,
Partly it is our fault for not supporting the 4th Republic. The State Department was as usual being to clever by half in pushing for decolonization and forming alliances with the new anti-American left after WW-II to bother with our actual allies. We should have helped them more against Ho Chi Minh, supported the French, British and Israelis at Suez, and aided the French against the Algerian rebellion.
Dan & Lifeofthemind:
You are both expressing something important about the French more politely than I did.
But I am not certain that “helping” them does any good in the long/medium/ short run.
There is an enamelled plaque on an ancient stone pillar in Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris dedicated to the one million soldiers of the British Empire “Qui restent en France” 1914-1918.
That’s what you get for a million lives defending the French: a plaque.
Then you get to do it all over again 25 years later and for that you get “Paris se libere”.
D-Day may have been a mistake.
The Harkis helped them in Algeria, much to their regret, and they got an even more extraordinary reward.
Dunno about helping the French.
@ CR 52…
That stems from his tutu ( ie grandmother )…
I lived one floor down in the same condo as her. That was twenty-six/ seven years ago. It’s a really upscale condo within walking distance to Punahou.
When Barry would visit on the holidays he was a sight. So tall, handsome and COLORED, in an area of town that was yellow and white. He towered over her. What a study of contrasts: beauty, height, youth — and submission vs not pretty at all, short, old — and ultra-dominant.
I’d step in the elevator, and they’d already be at it: she’d be balling him out over something. Barry would stand in silence. Not a peep.
You are free to google around on her, she’s been written up by others. She was quite the leftist ground breaker in her day. Every article I’ve read details her Drill Instructor demeanor.
Naturally, seeing his grandmother acting in a PARENTAL manner had my head swimming: where the hell was mommy or daddy.
Who knew that daddy was already dead: Frank Marshall Davis.
Who knew that mom was on the road forever.
BHO is the kind of person you never forget.
The whole vibe of grandmom and grandson is so ODD — I’ve never seen it before nor since.
But that’s when he got pussy whipped: operant conditioning at its ultimate.
52. Captain Ramen said…
“@50: Notice the way Obama’s wife treats him in public? The same way. It seems like Obama makes it a point to let everyone know how p-whipped he is.
”
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Nice, very nice.
But in the interest of empathy and understanding:
Would you rather be Waterboarded or have your balls locked in a Vise?
…similar to the Sec of State’s Testicular Lock Box.
@blert,
Thanks for that, it fills in a missing piece. Grandma as the left wing matriarch who was also a bank officer was something I have been trying to understand. It seems like she raised and launched her daughter to achieve this result. Never considered before how much Michelle resembles Grandma.
“You are free to google around on her, she’s been written up by others. She was quite the leftist ground breaker in her day. Every article I’ve read details her Drill Instructor demeanor. ”
Priceless.
Thank you, Mr. blert!
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Guess What?
Rev Wright’s mommy was said to be a very effective D.I. type School Principal!
…wait til Starling see’s this!
He went to school with one of Wright’s Secretaries, who became the Editor of Wright’s Black KKK Periodical!
I think if you look at winners and losers of say, the UK, you can see who is running things for their benefit in Europeism.
Who loses: average men, particularly average White Men, whom legal discrimination is the norm. National culture, values, identities that hold the average people together in high-trust networks.
Who Wins: various elites, gays, women, non-Europeans.
What is notable about Europeism is how stasis driven it is, and how the winners face no real threats to the dominance in the system.
This is deeply appealing to the elites, and forms the political basis for it’s opposition. As shown in the Greek riots, young men generally favor change to move up. Older men and women favor stasis to preserve their gains.
THAT divide, young-old, male-female, is going to be the driver of the political struggles to either preserve or overthrow Europeism.
…no doubt many of the churchgoing husbands that were Cuckholded by the Rev could add some insight to this line of “reasoning.”
Not to mention the wives that were Ministered to!
OT
The CRS Library – All the Congressional Research Service reports – Just in!
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Change_you_can_download:_a_billion_in_secret_Congressional_reports
Starling said…
I read this one a few days back and thought it basically sound. I find Spengler almost as enjoyable a read a Wretchard’s work.
I agree with Spengler’s central thesis, i.e. that Obama is very insecure and that it shows up in
the company he keeps and particularly the women in his life.
The way he has been lashing out at Palin is really a something to behold.
He really seems rattled and to have lost sight of the fact that he’s not running against her, but against McCain.
Biden, I would think, should be on the attack against Palin, if anyone.
Actually, I think they’d both be better off to ignore her and concentrate their fire on McCain.
But this woman thing, his need to attack Palin, is telling.
Spengler: How Friendless Obama Lost the Election
(we wish)
…but never underestimate the Power of White Guilt spread on a brainwashed polity.
And the entire MSM as your Cheerleader.
Only this Orwellian Candidate could talk about the “Health of the Mother”
when the topic is infanticide and his support of it!
…as if leaving the “previable fetus” in the linen closet to suffer and die will have some positive effect on the mother.
Whitehall 48, I agree that we should be careful here re privacy issues. But I also find reason to be optimistic in that we may be able to use technology to squeeze a lot of inefficiency out of out electrical infrastructure (we lose a ton of power due to transmission inefficiencies) and fuel supply. In the US, we are very advantaged to the EU in that virtually all of our fuel (which the exception of a small amount of LNG imported from Trinidad) is US produced. So many forget that 50% of our electricity comes from coal. If we can get real time pricing for power that incents customers to use off peak power (11PM to 7AM) for applications like washers/dryers/pools/plug-in hybrids, we actually would end up using more coal over time as coal plants could run harder in off peak hours than they currently do. Which would preserve our ample natural gas reserves, where technology has opened up some amazing reserve potential here in the shale plays (Barnett, Haynesville, Marcellus, Fayetteville).
Europe on the other hand is in much worse shape, which accounts for their kowtowing to Russia. I was at a conference last week, and it was sickening listening to Gerhard Schroeder apologize for Russia’s behavior. He is bought and paid for.
And who really imports Arab crude? It’s primarily Asia followed by Europe. Most of our imports are Canadian and Latin, although I’m not happy about sending any $ to Hugo.
We have issues here, but I think that we are in much better shape re energy to weather hard times than Europe. Things get real tough real fast when you don’t have power, heat and transportation fuels.
It is very difficult to assess exactly what the core of Marxists have retained from their Leninist traditions during the time since the fall of the Soviet Union. The reason for this is simple: they practice deception on so many levels that very often you see what they want you to see. It is also difficult to pry this out of the various groups on the periphery of Marxism-Leninism. We know that these groups and individuals are comprised of both fellow travelers and useful idiots. I know from personal experience some of this. I was never in the core group. I was on an academic journey and on the periphery; I did have some contact with people who may have been at the core. These people were hard to pin down, but I did sense in those people a reluctance to be fully up-front about who they were and what they truly believed. I suspected that they belonged to the Party, but they were adamant in their counsel to the rest of us that we were never, ever to refer to ourselves as socialists or Marxists. We were bluntly advised that we were to call ourselves “progressives” and “liberals.” I did not go along with this, and more or less blew them off because being a Catholic and an inquisitive mind my quest was an intellectual one. I was never accepted as one of them and I knew I never would be one of them. I felt no need to impress them. Because I took the conservative critiques of socialism seriously. Enough to make it my quest to see if there was a theoretical workaround. It involved overcoming the critique of socialism that had to do with its impossible compatibility with human nature. I wanted to find out if human nature could be altered over time so as to freely embrace socialist values and goals. What I learned when I made the necessary forays into developmental psychology, genetics, and neuroscience convinced me that the failed socialist experiments were not just the past and present – they were the future too.
Nothing will put you on the outs of any of these groups in the core and on the periphery like an individual who thinks the orthodox theories need tweaking – especially if the cause of that tweaking is conservative and capitalist critique of said orthodoxy. The core people don’t like that at all. And most of the people on the periphery of the movement are not much interested in arcane, intellectual and theoretical disputations.
I am more than two decades’ removed from the Left, but I have sometimes managed to keep my finger on the pulse of the intellectual developments in those warrens. Not much there. At least not the kind that seriously probes the landscape I tried to traverse.
How do I feel about all of this? Well, many years ago my gut told me these people were not forthright individuals. And many on the periphery largely could not explain the provenance of the ideas that drove them. The core encouraged a periphery comprised of many different single cause groups. And now all of these single cause groups have been brought together in a common cause by a “community organizer.” All I can tell you is that with deceivers can only be caught out in their deceptions. On my journey I found out about their deceptions and I ran the other way. Unfortunately, it is going to take very painful experience in order for the majority of Americans to wake up to what is happening and then politically expel these demons from their minds, their institutions, and from office.
“Gingrich tried to build a practical platform to support an oppositional vision but Clinton very cleverly confused the distinctions through triangulation. …”
I have come to realize that Democrats & leftists absolutely rely upon this confusion. They need the public NOT to understand the fundamental differences between the Left and the Right. They need the public to instead believe a mythological substitute: the “Republicans are racist, sexist, selfish people” myth.
The press & Hollywood happily assist with perpetuating this mythology.
oola, the “laskars” don’t comply
twobyfour:
The military reputation of the French has however risen by comparison
As in “French military victories”? Google it and click on the first link.
must be an idiot ignorant who made that, surely anglo-saxon, I’m betting what is worth of one dollar value on that
56. Cosmeau Bugleweed:
Dan & Lifeofthemind:
You are both expressing something important about the French more politely than I did.
But I am not certain that “helping” them does any good in the long/medium/ short run.
There is an enamelled plaque on an ancient stone pillar in Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris dedicated to the one million soldiers of the British Empire “Qui restent en France” 1914-1918.
That’s what you get for a million lives defending the French: a plaque.
Then you get to do it all over again 25 years later and for that you get “Paris se libere”.
D-Day may have been a mistake.
The Harkis helped them in Algeria, much to their regret, and they got an even more extraordinary reward.
Dunno about helping the French.
vla le kanadu éclairé !!! LMAO
you must be very intelligent to found out the name of Harki, that you read from my litterature, but nonetheless that you misuse !!!
click on my nic, got an ex. of your skils LMAO
another hidden admirer !!!
France has been co-opted by Russia where they have not simply been the victims of their own vainglory. There is something perverse in the French character that has lately utterly ruined the great things it is also capable of. Really though a review of France from 1940 – 1968 with a special eye to Soviet Russia really goes a long way towards explaining their and our current difficulties. Or could their teaming up with Russia and China (and Iraq) (and Qaddafi) and all that Chirac-ian fulimating against the “Anglo-Saxons” be simple French vanity? Forgive me, that is a schoolboyish explanation. They were promised something they obviously have not been given, but nonetheless still blindly strive after. Something Mephistophelean.
woah, very philosophical my dear Dan, you’re precisely acting like that what we are suppose to do, “arrogant pee”
Kadhafi, our friend ? que nenni, american friend first, um who managed to remove his arm boycott ??? after that a Mephistophelean plot was solved, Lokerbee, that normally the Iranian should haved been found guilty of, the Americans families got paid, the french families got nuts for Tenere, but it was for the good cause, Kadhafi re-integrated the good club
Russia, China, Irak, … whatever, you could also add : Chile, Argentina, Cuba, Colombia, Sudan, South Africa… they also were mentionned in your litterature, why didn’t you quote the ol lot of t’em ???
schoolboyish explanation you got it !!!
PS) evidently unuseful to post you some true sources that you haven’t already read, at least on PJM, yes, posted by me, but I am feeling a bit lazy tonight, you got to search them yourself
Lets not forget that the first national socialist was Napoleon Bonaparte. Hitler was keenly aware of this model
Let’s not forget that Napoleon is studied in the american military academies, surely because he was a socialist LMAO
qu’est-ce qu’il faut pas lire !!!
is there anymore minion left in the club ? cuz I love them !!!
OK, I’m not serious, I got to reconcentrate on the topic
well, i like the French, Marie Claude, if that helps any. I’m from southwestern Louisiana, an outpost of your country where many of the older folk still speak the home language exclusively.
two instructive articles from the Nyquist archives, ‘financial crashes’, and ‘grey terror’, both pieces several years old, only now coming into focus.
http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2005/0204.html
http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2004/0513.html
I think Marie is a tad sensitive about l’honeur de la France. She really zeroed in on this thread and then piled on out of proportion with the perceived insult.
Look, I’m of French ancestry and I take no offense to any of it. I will say this, however: the University of Paris does have a reputation for incubating and harboring some of the more noxious intellectual currents of the 19th and 20th centuries. I ought to know; I studied philosophy.
And I’m with BB:
Keep France French!
Chicago might well give the University of Paris a run for the money before this saga ends, Fred!
fred, No, I find “idiots” funny, I would agree on a raisonable discussion, but this is mere bashing, so I am allowed to bully !!!
well I have posted a few links about Vaklav Klaus, :
as we say he looks OK, he talks OK, he seems to act OK, but who really is he ???
A Putin KGB school friend
http : // cryptome.info/0001/vaclav-klaus.htm
The only thing wrong with Putin as a national leader in this era is, he’s on the wrong side. “But oh, ” you might say, “…he assassinates journalists!” to which i say, “Mais mon cher, je sais que, at-il l’adresse de NBC?”
Everyone who follows the French political, philosophical, economic, or sociological discourse knows that my position (which means my strong disagreement with this doctrine) goes directly against the politically correct stances in France and, what is probably even more serious, against the deeply rooted and centuries old views of the French intelligencia. With all my affection for France, this country is for me more Colbert than Bastiat, more Fourier and Saint-Simon than Say and Turgot, more Sartre than Aron. There is, therefore, no surprise that I am not regularly invited to speak here.
I find funny that this man is criticizing Sarkozy, who,BTW, is the lonely EU president who made the things move on in EU since their fondators (with the exception of Mitterand and Kohl together for the creation of the euro and Maestricht agreement), while he is complaining of the heaviness of the EU administration, though he doesn’t complain for the EU money that helped the Czecks to get afloat.
I don’t deny that this is an intelligentt population, I visited Praha a few years after that the wall fell down, and the people look sad but very aware of our culture.
Now, I don’t think that he really represents the Czecks, he got electected with the commies votes, and his attitude pro US is an affectation, considering his “KGB” past, this man has typically the personality cult that are well known in the commies countries.
Does he think that he can replace Sarkozy as an international political character, and what does represent the Czeckie in the World wide, no serious foreign country want to discuss with him the aftermaths of EU, BTW, he has not the euro, he hasn’t signed the Lisboa treaty, so he is a puppet show president
Well I am fed up of these whinning european nations, that waited for URSS to solve their problems before and now reversed for the US, they should stand for their fate themselves and act not blablabla
I am also fed up of the EU that are not what the fondators created anymore, I hope that Sarko will quite the Brussels bureaucracy and make convenient alliances with the countries that want to react ; Im afraid that Czeckie with the disguised Santa Klaus will not be one
what I posted before and was swallowed :
well, we don’t hear much of Mr Klaus, has he forgotten that he is president of Europe ? wherever I go in EU, on TV, I hear “Sarkozy ci”, “Sarkozy ça”, “Frau Merkel” when she doesn’t agree on something or doesn’t want to move on, OK, I still hear of the others, when they are whinning, that they are in a dips**t
Now Mr Klaus seems a bit “uncertain” who he really is ; wasn’t he elected by the Czecks commies ? I read that Putin is still his friend from the KGB school, that’s why he could help to solve the gas problem lately.
http : // http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12724780
“We can reveal exclusively that Mr. Klaus, while a 21-year-old student at the University of Economics, Prague, in 1962, was recruited by Czech counterintelligence officers and put to work as a spy against democratic reformers with whom he studied and later worked. For five decades he has concealed a murky past of betrayal and deception”
http : // cryptome.info/0001/vaclav-klaus.htm
He’s got some positive points though, IMO, he is anti global-warm obsession, he wants to reduce the administration in EU, but I doubt that he really cares…
“NCPA” says he is the good guy, a guess ??? :
http : // eteam.ncpa.org/news/klaus-as-eu-president-could-change-climate-change
So who has interest to have him as a good friend ? LMAO
Storm Rider,
Sorry it took so long to reply, work beckoned. I agree whole heartedly with your reply and thank you for understanding my comment was not racist but only an observation.
I have read a Orwell’s Animal Farm and 1984. Another excellent fictional work on the subject is Rand’s Atlas Shrugged. Only problem with Atlas Shrugged is Ayn Rand gives the Oligarchs a complete pass when there is truly blame for both the upper class and working class.
Someone quoted P.J. O’Rourke in this thread about how we are all to blame. I can agree to that although some are more to blame than others.
I do feel the governing class and the executive class of the banking and financial industries have failed us in a big way.
Salaam!
“Mr Klaus seems a bit “uncertain” who he really is ; wasn’t he elected by the Czecks commies ? I read that Putin is still his friend…”
Václav Klaus is a very brave man, and it doesn’t matter if some Czech Communists voted for him; he is in fact an anti-Communist. How do you think the tyrant murderer Vladimir Putin would like to read Mr. Klaus’ opinion on the relationship between Communism and intellectuals?
“The communist politicians needed their intellectual fellow-travelers. They needed their “dealings in ideas”, their “shaping of public opinion”, their apology of the inhuman, irrational and inefficient regime. They needed their ability to supply them with general, abstract and utopian ideas. They especially needed their willingness to deal with the hypothetical future instead of criticising the very much less rosy reality…. Because the intellectuals value themselves very highly, they disdain the marketplace. Markets value them differently than their own eyes and, in addition to it, markets function nicely without their supervision. As a result, the intellectuals are suspicious of free markets and prefer being publicly funded. That is another reason, why they are in favour of socialism. Fifteen years after the collapse of communism I am afraid, more than at the beginning of its softer (or weaker) version, of social-democratism, which has become – under different names, e.g. the welfare state or the soziale Marktwirtschaft – the dominant model of the economic and social system of current Western civilization. It is based on big and patronizing government, on extensive regulating of human behavior, and on large-scale income redistribution. As we see both in Europe and in America, the intellectuals love such a system. It gives them money and an easy life.” Václav Klaus
http://www.klaus.cz/klaus2/asp/clanek.asp?id=wFYl3mgsTzI6
yes, I have read it, nice if it was really what he makes in Czeckies though
Storm-Rider @ 88
Just excellent. Thank you for posting that.
Coupled with Leo’s @ 26 in next thread and the profile is coming into sharper focus.
Slade,
Here’s another excerpt from an essay by Václav Klaus:
“It (Socialism) is based on big and patronizing government, on extensive regulating of human behavior, and on large-scale income redistribution….There is always a limiting (or constraining) of human freedom, there is always ambitious social engineering, there is always an immodest ‘enforcement of a good’ by those who are anointed on others against their will, there is always the crowding out of standard democratic methods by alternative political procedures, and there is always the feeling of superiority of intellectuals and of their ambitions….It is Europe where we witness the crowding out of democracy by post democracy, where the EU dominance replaces democratic arrangements in the EU member countries, where [some people] do not see the dangers of empty Europeanism and of a deep (and ever deeper) but only bureaucratic unification of the whole European continent. They applaud the growing formal opening of the continent, but do not see that the elimination of some of the borders without actual liberalization of human activities ‘only’ shifts governments upwards, which means to the level where there is no democratic accountability and where the decisions are made by politicians appointed by politicians, not elected by citizens in free elections.” Václav Klaus
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/206
I wish there was some kind of organization for former Leftists/Marxists, like myself, where we could come together, share our experiences, share our ideas, and work together to publicly name the evil that socialism is. I have the feeling that there is a significant number of us, and that if we could somehow organize, network, and inject our witness into the public forum we could have some kind of impact. In isolation we all tend to feel isolated and powerless.
Another good one, Storm-Rider. Shifting “governments upward” reminds me of the business trend where decision-makers isolate themselves from the client/consumer base with a moat consisting of any number of obstructionist elements – the automated phone menus, the foreign-speaking help lines, the array of help service employees who operate within predetermined limits/computer screens. The private sector can be penetrated with grit and determination but the public sector is a No-Go. You will not win.
And speaking of social engineering, we may see more of it at the state level than federal (but the competition promises to be keen) it appears that state deficits will extract income through car taxes, beer taxes, and I expect cigarette taxes will take a huge hit, none of which is particularly surprising or new, but the sheer scale should be breath-taking to more of the general population outside of Mark Haynes and me.
Example: the mortgage plan is premised on the “closer look” analytics that revealed a deeper problem than anticipated. I don’t have the details but I feel as if I could recite the outline in my sleep – same song and dance – different players.
Would you think that he is telling the truth !!!
umm, isn’t it funny that persons with a peculiar past find a new virginity, ie Kadhafi, Klaus… suffice they say how the american system is so great !!! I’m waiting for Putin next, ah, not expected that he reverses pro-US soon, nothing to gain for him !!!
while “real” politicians that have a clear past, ie Sarkozy… but that act for their own country, don’t !!!
you’re the ones that reproach O his unclear past though !!!!
Fred,
A good place for Modern American Conservatives, i.e.: Classic American Liberals (Thomas Jefferson), to start is with our own families and our neighbors. We must educate those around us that Marxist Socialism is the opposite of our Declaration of Independence.
“All men are created equal…”
* Karl Marx: Government-forced economic equality
* Thomas Jefferson: Equality before the law
This is so important – it is so very important. We must educate our children and our neighbors that Karl Marx turned the American understanding of human equality upside down. Americans have always instinctively loved fair competition, i.e.: competition under equal rules (all men under equal application of law). If you are running faster than me in a race the Marxist idea is for me to somehow trip you up so that there can be – you guessed it – equality of outcome – not equality of opportunity. Or another spin on the Marxist idea is to have inequality of the rules (unequal application of law among men) so that the slower runner gets a head-start before the gun. Marxist equality is un-American and is completely dependent on unequal rules aiming for the desired result of equal outcome – a result which destroys human liberty and the human desire for creativity and excellence, i.e.: our God-given desire to creatively pursue happiness. If we can’t articulate this understanding of American Equality vs. Marxist/Socialist Equality, then what the hell; we are just too stupid or lazy, and we don’t deserve our God-given human liberty and creative pursuit of happiness, nor our real God-given human equality. Thomas Jefferson would have no difficulty with Karl Marx.
“They are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…”
* Karl Marx: Bullshit! There is no god, and there are no unalienable human rights.
* Thomas Jefferson: I declare war on you – you God-damned tyrant!
“I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson
Do the Europeans taxpayers should pay for Czeckie recession ?
http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/economics-and-demography/czech-republic-probably-enters-recession-at-the-end-of-2008/
according to Santa Klaus, no !!!
I can’t wait to watch him whinning for money !!!
“Ahead of the Group of Seven meeting in Rome, data showed the euro zone economy as a whole and those of its three biggest members – Germany, France and Italy – all contracted more sharply than expected in the final quarter of 2008.…The euro zone economy saw its deepest contraction on record in the fourth quarter of 2008, shrinking 1.5 per cent against the previous three-month period…French gross domestic product fell 1.2 per cent in the fourth quarter of 2008. Economy Minister Christine Lagarde predicted a contraction of more than 1 per cent in 2009.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090213.wfinancialwrap0213/BNStory/Business
Marie Claude, It appears that the Czech Republic is caught in the same economic down-draft with the rest of Socialist Europe, including France; a truth which you failed to reveal in your post. Your accusation of Václav Klaus as a liar, and your mockery of the Czech Republic as a whole reflects arrogance and poor taste.
“Your accusation of Václav Klaus as a liar, and your mockery of the Czech Republic as a whole reflects arrogance and poor taste”
http://cryptome.info/0001/vaclav-klaus.htm
that’s what we are well known LMAO
“In the context of the development of Defence Europe, clearly, once we decide to give Europe more assets to maintain its own security, particularly by enabling it to deploy autonomous capabilities, it will be in a position to conduct significant operations, complementary to those which NATO could conduct. Of course, this means we have to adopt a European approach going beyond the single issue of building the European Union, in the strict sense of the term, to embrace that of the European continent as a whole. In this respect, developing the partnership and joint discussions between Russia and the European Union is a must.” French Minister of Defense Hervé Morin
http://www.russiablog.org/2008/03/france_russia_and_the_eu.php
Well, well – It looks like France is sucking up to Vladimir Putin. And by the way, where in the hell were you French cowards during the Cold War? You took to the sidelines because Russia’s Communist Revolution was based on similar political ideology as that of the French Revolution. Face it; you French have more affinity for the Communist Revolution than for the American Revolution.
Your accusations about Václav Klaus as a liar, and Robert Eringer’s accusation that Václav Klaus is a hidden Communist just doesn’t square with the words and actions of Mr. Klaus.
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Stormy bugsy, you got a reply when the angel of this club will edit them
or click on my nick
Marie Claude, you mean the author of the Klaus’ hatchet job is this Robert Eringer?
I think his CIA connections and writing of spy novels resulted in a professional deformation, to say the least.
twobyfour
thanks for the link, where it appears that Eringer would be an abusive editor
I’m going to look for what the Russians think of Eringer’s article
I hope to get some more infos, positive or negative, then I’ll live the subject
leave, not live
Folks,
The irresponsible are the only ones gettin a break these days. This is from executives in the financial institutions to the fools who bought too much house and are over budget. The responsible who are independent and kept their finances within their budgets are no paying for the irresponsible dependant.
Wealth redistribution pure and simple.
This is making me sick. I had a glimmer of hope but it is gone. The Founding Fathers and America’s Fouding Documents have been reduced to toilet paper.
I suggest dropping out. Buy solar panels, generators, windmills and battery banks. Take ourselves off the grid. Country Boys can Survive a la Hank Willims Jr. The time is at hand! It is time for the South to rise again!
forgive my humour. It is the only way I can keep my sanity.
Salaam eleikum Y’all!
Marzouk the Redneck Muslim:
We ran my little saileyboat all the way up the US east coast to the Canadian border for 3 months (April-July), solar panels, generator, batteries & all. As windpowered as you can get. 100% off the grid. A 35′ self-contained spaceship.
Fabulous trip, beautiful country, lovely people. We stopped off everywhere from the Fla. beach towns to Manhattan.
As an honorary redneck you will appreciate that some of the finest people we met were in the Carolinas. We particularly enjoyed the retired military types, who had a certain quality that Canadians do not often encounter.
Marie Claude:
Please do not be offended at my offensive remarks about the French.
I love France, the people and the language.
I have a law degree in French from a French university; my 38 cousins in Quebec are all bilingual francophones. My beloved partner and companion for 6 years was a smart, brave and beautiful French girl who could not speak a word of English.
I know the French.
Problem is, they have appallingly poor leadership and have been badly served by their elites since the battle of Verdun.
Fascinating, subtle and complicated people; badly led.
Back to the original topic, the French elites appear to dominate the EU.
Doubleplusungood.
umm your comments are not well expressed then, it looks like you got your french degree in a “pochette-surprise, and certainly not as a grade in history
what do you know about us that the mainstream medias didn’t “lecture” you as “surrender-monkeys” ???
“what do you know about us that the mainstream medias didn’t “lecture” you as “surrender-monkeys” ???”
… that you tolerate your cars being burned by criminals? The mainstream media doesn’t like to dwell on this, but we’ve heard about it.
I didn’t heard car owners complaining, they know that their cars are gonna be burning any dayin these aeras, umm, a way to get a new car paid by insurances ? or to get rid of an old car without being charged by the “Fourrière” !!! though they only are cars, while in the US….
… how many persons are killed each day in your cities ?
CHICAGO anyone, Philadelphy……New Orleans, Baltimore, Los Angeles, Washington, new york, uh no, not anymore !!!
Blew my mind good. I’ve read several of this guy’s books- this is like listening to Madison, or Jefferson, or Washington talk- not the romantic version of them, but a real person who understands liberty and freedom. What am amazing guy. Great post.
World War II – North Africa Campaign – “Operation Torch” – November 8, 1942
“At 0730 the aircraft carrier USS Ranger launched her first strike of bombers with Wildcat escorts. Ten minutes later they were intercepted by French fighters, and in a dogfight 5 American and 7 French planes were shot down. At 0804 as the Ranger’s bombers were releasing their loads the battleship USS Massachusetts opened up with salvoes of her 16 inch guns on Casablanca’s quays and ships. In the commercial harbor 10 cargo and passenger ships were sunk in 10 minutes, 40 crew killed and 60 wounded. Alongside the breakwater 3 Vichy submarines went down at their moorings…. At 0900 the Vichy 2nd Light Cruiser Squadron under Rear-Admiral Gervais de Lafond raised sufficient steam to put to sea to head for Fedala. His flagshp, Primauguet, undergoing minor engine repair, de Lafond hoisted his flag in the superdestroyer Milan. He steamed northwards at full speed hoping that the smoke and rising sun would blind the American naval forces. At 0920 Wildcats from Ranger strafed her decks…. the Vichy Boulonnais, was severly damaged. The commanding officer, Lt.-Comdr Martinant de Preneuf was killed on the Albatross. The Brestois anti-aircraft battery was put out of action. Thereafter the Primauguet was off Fedala in the cross hairs of Augusta, Brooklyn to the north and Massachusetts, Tuscaloosa and Wichita from the northeast The first Vichy ship to sink was the Fougueux, which was struck by Massachusetts and Tuscaloosa. The Vichy Milan’s bow shattered and forward turret wrecked and she beached. The Boulonnais was sunk by 8 16″ guns while carrying out a torpedo run, she turned turtle, and sunk with all hands. Primauguet holed below her water line, with half of her engine room crew dead, dropped anchor near Milan. Brestois and Frondeur got back to harbor but capsized during the night. Vichy destroyer Alcyon left harbor for survivors but was attacked by bombers and navy guns when she cleared the Casablanca breakwater. The Albatross and Primauguet were hit again while trying to transfer 100 dead and 200 hundred wounded…. For the next three days the Augusta was engaged in protecting the transport ships and the invasion troops, and combating enemy naval and coastal resistance. On November 10, 1942 the Augusta helped turn back the French units sortieing from Casablanca who were attempting to disrupt the landings.”
http://www.internet-esq.com/ussaugusta/torch/index.htm
“Around Fedala, Morocco (the largest landing with 19,000 men), weather disrupted the landings. The landing beaches again came under French fire after daybreak. U.S. General Patton landed at 08:00, and the beachheads were secured later in the day. The Americans surrounded the port of Casablanca by 10 November, and the city surrendered an hour before the final assault was due to take place.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch
Ah, but Marie, our cities are run by liberals.
Marie Claude @ 108:
It’s probably better to confine one’s offensive remarks to generalities rather than snide personal insinuations. It is the adult anglo-saxon way.
A propos your slightly incoherent slagging of my education, the degree was in Law, from University of Montreal, in French, preceded by two (2) Law degrees from McGill University, followed by 30 years law practise in downtown Montreal, in both languages.
Preceded by 10 generations of French ancestors, followed by 6 years of living with a French lady, interspersed by 25 visits to Paris.
So what do I know of the French?
Lots.
All of which was confirmed and corroborated by what I learned as owner of a Peugeot automobile several years ago. It was pretty to look at, complex, fragile and unreliable.
Exactly like the French who designed it.
World War II – North Africa Campaign – “Operation Torch” – November 8, 1942
Speaking of surrender; it turns out that the French, after surrendering to the Nazis and then cooperating with them, surrendered to us after we defeated them in battle.
“At 0730 the aircraft carrier USS Ranger launched her first strike of bombers with Wildcat escorts. Ten minutes later they were intercepted by French fighters, and in a dogfight 5 American and 7 French planes were shot down. At 0804 as the Ranger’s bombers were releasing their loads the battleship USS Massachusetts opened up with salvoes of her 16 inch guns on Casablanca’s quays and ships. In the commercial harbor 10 cargo and passenger ships were sunk in 10 minutes, 40 crew killed and 60 wounded. Alongside the breakwater 3 Vichy submarines went down at their moorings…. At 0900 the Vichy 2nd Light Cruiser Squadron under Rear-Admiral Gervais de Lafond raised sufficient steam to put to sea to head for Fedala. His flagshp, Primauguet, undergoing minor engine repair, de Lafond hoisted his flag in the superdestroyer Milan. He steamed northwards at full speed hoping that the smoke and rising sun would blind the American naval forces. At 0920 Wildcats from Ranger strafed her decks…. the Vichy Boulonnais, was severly damaged. The commanding officer, Lt.-Comdr Martinant de Preneuf was killed on the Albatross. The Brestois anti-aircraft battery was put out of action. Thereafter the Primauguet was off Fedala in the cross hairs of Augusta, Brooklyn to the north and Massachusetts, Tuscaloosa and Wichita from the northeast The first Vichy ship to sink was the Fougueux, which was struck by Massachusetts and Tuscaloosa. The Vichy Milan’s bow shattered and forward turret wrecked and she beached. The Boulonnais was sunk by 8 16″ guns while carrying out a torpedo run, she turned turtle, and sunk with all hands. Primauguet holed below her water line, with half of her engine room crew dead, dropped anchor near Milan. Brestois and Frondeur got back to harbor but capsized during the night. Vichy destroyer Alcyon left harbor for survivors but was attacked by bombers and navy guns when she cleared the Casablanca breakwater. The Albatross and Primauguet were hit again while trying to transfer 100 dead and 200 hundred wounded…. For the next three days the Augusta was engaged in protecting the transport ships and the invasion troops, and combating enemy naval and coastal resistance. On November 10, 1942 the Augusta helped turn back the French units sortieing from Casablanca who were attempting to disrupt the landings.”
http://www.internet-esq.com/ussaugusta/torch/index.htm
“Around Fedala, Morocco (the largest landing with 19,000 men), weather disrupted the landings. The landing beaches again came under French fire after daybreak. U.S. General Patton landed at 08:00, and the beachheads were secured later in the day. The Americans surrounded the port of Casablanca by 10 November, and the city surrendered an hour before the final assault was due to take place.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch
oola, seems that someone doesn’t want me to respond, anyway, rendez-vous at the same place
ok, again at it, how many times ???? can’t remember !!!
this was Vichy and not “France Libre” the resistance movement lead by de Gaulle
check here
http ://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europes-war-on-free-speech/ about our navy
and here for the american rescue
http ://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europs-estrangement-from-israel/ —> #89
stormy bugsy, same medecine “Bokedou”
Marie Claude,
I don’t speak the French language, but I must admit that your language is very beautiful to the ear of this English speaking American. Having traveled to France twice, I also like French food and wine; and I appreciate the great beauty of the French Alps, Normandy and Paris. Having said this, I do not like French political ideas or the French Revolution. The first pre-modern totalitarian state was the French Republic under Robespierre, who laid a template for the Communist Revolution.
“But as the essence of the republic or of democracy is equality, it follows that the love of country necessarily includes the love of equality…. This great purity of the French revolution’s basis, the very sublimity of its objective, is precisely what causes both our strength and our weakness. Our strength, because it gives to us truth’s ascendancy over imposture, and the rights of the public interest over private interests…. We must smother the internal and external enemies of the Republic or perish with it; now in this situation, the first maxim of your policy ought to be to lead the people by reason and the people’s enemies by terror…. Terror is nothing other than justice, prompt, severe, inflexible; it is therefore an emanation of virtue…” Maximilien Robespierre
And it was Rousseau who laid the philosophical groundwork, along with Plato, Baruch Spinoza and Friedrich Nietzsche, for Karl Marx; i.e.: the abolition of individual private property, or its excessive taxation by the Marxist/Socialist State.
“The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, said “This is mine,” and found people naive enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody.” Jean-Jacques Rousseau
“The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property” Karl Marx
“In one word, you reproach us with intending to do away with your property. Precisely so; that is just what we intend.” Karl Marx
“You must, therefore, confess that by “individual” you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must, indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible.” Karl Marx
“In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things. In all these movements, they bring to the front, as the leading question in each, the property question, no matter what its degree of development at the time.” Karl Marx
“The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state… Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property” Karl Marx
Marie Claude,
Marxist Socialism is the anti-Declaration of Independence; it is an anti-American system in all respects, and Karl Marx was the anti-Thomas Jefferson. Marxist Socialism does not lead to social justice or human equality; it sets up an elite Socialist governing class of “Philosopher Kings” who are above the law. Marxist human equality is the same as French Revolutionary human equality, i.e.: government-forced economic equality (of a low order – the economic equality of serfs).The ruling Marxist/Socialist elites will of course ensure their own wealth, thus the phrase “equality” is Orwellian. Since Marxist Socialism is built upon the religion of Marxist atheism, there are also no God-given human rights; no unalienable right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness for serfs you know. What human rights the Marxist Socialist State grants to serfs can be ignored or rescinded by law, which of course is simply the word of the Marxist/Socialist oligarchic leadership. As Fjordman says: “Marxist ideals of forced equality can only be enforced by a government with totalitarian powers, and will thus inevitably lead to a totalitarian society. There is no “enlightened Marxism,” and the idea that there is has ruined more lives than probably and other ideology in modern history. Marxism is an organized crime against humanity.”
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2125/print
Marxism is the core ideology of Socialism. Karl Marx believed that social justice required government enforcement of economic equality; an idea he picked up from Rousseau and the French Revolution, and before that from Plato. When the French and other Socialists speak of “equality” you should realize the meaning in an Orwellian way. The middle class will be gradually brought down to the level of the existing poor, and there will then be equality: The equality of serfs; except of course for the ruling Marxist/Socialist elite, and thus you have Orwellian equality, i.e.: inequality. Karl Marx did not believe in equality before the law; that is the understanding of human equality enounced by our founding fathers. The Marxist/Socialist governing (ruling) class is above the law; they are the law, and thus there is inequality before the law, i.e.: Orwellian equality. This differentiation was well described by Igor Shafarevich because he lived under this system of social injustice. Eastern European dissenters have lived under this unjust system which is tilted toward tyranny, and they know the smell of a corpse. Our founding fathers understood that human liberty results in economic inequality; that is just human nature. What they desired; and what they devised with our Constitution was a system of government, not to force economic equality, but to provide for equal opportunity, i.e.: equality before the law. There are those among us, primarily leaders of the Democratic Party, who wish for us to transition from American equality to Marxist equality. This, if we allow it to continue, will not occur in the same way as in the Soviet Union; but the end result is likely to be similar.
“The revolutionaries who drew up the “Conspiracy of Equals” understood equality in such a way that they alone formed the government, while others were to obey implicitly–and those who did not were to be exiled to certain islands for forced labor. In the most popular work of Marxism, the Communist Manifesto, one of the first measures of the new socialist system to be proposed is the introduction of compulsory labor…Plato argues for the necessity of communal property and wives, since only under these conditions will the citizens take joy in and grieve over the same things. In other words, he considers the communality of property and the abolition of the family as means for achieving equality. He regards equality, however, not in the usual sense of equality of rights or opportunities, but as identity of behavior, as the equalization of personalities. Both these traits–the abolition of private property and of the family as a means to achieve equality, and this special understanding of equality–run through the majority of socialist teachings…The usual understanding of “equality,” when applied to people, entails equality of rights and sometimes equality of opportunity (social welfare, pensions, grants, etc.). But what is meant in all these cases is the equalization of external conditions which do not touch the individuality of man. In socialist ideology, however, the understanding of equality is akin to that used in mathematics (when one speaks of equal numbers or equal triangles), i.e., this is in fact identity, the abolition of differences in behavior as well as in the inner world of the individuals constituting society. From this point of view, a puzzling and at first sight contradictory property of socialist doctrines becomes apparent. They proclaim the greatest possible equality, the destruction of hierarchy in society and at the same time (in most cases) a strict regimentation of all of life, which would be impossible without absolute control and an all-powerful bureaucracy which would engender an incomparably greater inequality.” Igor Shafarevich
http://www.robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html
Marxist/Socialist economics boils down to property rights. The free enterprise system of our founding fathers ultimately derives from the Bible, whereas Marxist/Socialist property rights derive from the Communist Manifesto, the holy book of Socialists. And what exactly is the purpose of Marxist law on property rights? The goal is government-forced economic equality; but this turns out not to be social justice, only economic equality of a low order, the economic equality of serfs. Marxist government turns out to be a self-serving, gun-clinging, giant tyrannical Robin Hood; redistributing what it robs from Peter to pay Paul. This arrangement suppresses the human work ethic – the human impulse to be creative – to creatively pursue happiness. Marxists know too, that by setting themselves up in this catbird seat they’ll always have the vote of Paul; and may therefore become a permanent form of self-enrichment and tyranny. This is what Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky agitated for, and what the Democratic Party is now pursuing: Marxism in the United States. You can expect freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and many other sacred human liberties to fall in tandem with your God-given rights to own what is created by the sweat of your brow. Human rights which derive from human government are not sacred, and are not unalienable. Marxism is un-American because it directly contradicts our highest law: The Declaration of Independence.
Contrast the idea of property rights as described by Karl Marx, i.e.: no or minimal individual property rights, with that of Moses and the American Founding Fathers:
Moses/Bible on property rights:
• “You shall not steal”
• “You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife; and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field, his male servant, his female servant, his ox, his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.”
American Founding Fathers on property rights:
“The personal right to acquire property, which is a natural right, gives to property, when acquired, a right to protection, as a social right.” James Madison
“The rights of persons, and the rights of property, are the objects, for the protection of which Government was instituted.” James Madison
“Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.” James Madison
“Property is surely a right of mankind as real as liberty.” John Adams
“Property must be secured, or liberty cannot exist.” John Adams
“Now what liberty can there be where property is taken without consent?” Samuel Adams
“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.” Samuel Adams
“In the general course of human nature, a power over man’s substance amounts to a power over his will.” Alexander Hamilton
“In a free government almost all other rights would become worthless if the government possessed power over the private fortune of every citizen.” Chief Justice John Marshall
“To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association–the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” Thomas Jefferson
“Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have … The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.” Thomas Jefferson
“The true foundation of republican government is the equal right of every citizen in his person and property and in their management.” Thomas Jefferson
“Take not from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.” Thomas Jefferson
“The Constitution of most of our states, and of the United States, assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press.” Thomas Jefferson
“A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means.” Thomas Jefferson
“Property is the fruit of labor…property is desirable…is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.” Abraham Lincoln
Stormy, I knew you’re a reasonable fellow
well, our revolution didn’t aim to reverse into “terror” as it happened. At the beginnings the same inspirators were of the American revolution ; though our country wasn’t in a so good economical situation : Louis XVI, after financing the American revolution, was bankrupted, and he hadn’t the mental force to control the french population that was already rioting for lack of money, because they couldn’t buy food ; the other bad cause, was that the climate ruined the harvests for a few years, first deep frosts, (yeah climate cooling !!!) and along 1788 winter and 1789, raining cats and dogs didn’t cease !!!
Plus, the nobles didn’t care that the villans were hungry, they still collected taxes to carry on their idle standing at the Versailles court.
So, following that, Marie Antoinette who was Austrian, had called her royal relations to conspire against the new rulers of france. She wasn’t loved from the french population because of her dispendious lightness, and because she came from the ever enemi country, Austria.
When the king and his family tried to fly away to Austria, the french people acknowledged that like a trahison, indeed the european kingdoms were rallying an army to invade France.
Then the “Terror” followed with its spills and extravagances, (is there a pilot on board ?) the populo wanted to anhilite any sign of superior power, and started to behead the supposed guilties of their sufferings, the noble class.
you can read on “Bokedou” what finally were the results : a bourgeoise class replaced the noble’s, the villans were still the villans…
until 1848, even so, with this 2nd revolution, the villans didn’t get anything, only during the 20th century they finally acceded to “unions”, but Marx had helped a lot in between with his analyse of the working class condition.
The Russians inaugurated the process, after that Lenin had adapted Marx ideology into a pragmatic doctrine. He also took the “terror” as a convenient tool to eradicate opponants, Stalin dit adopt the kind of cleaning too, but to promote his person, Mao…
well the poor JJ Rousseau must be “chilling” in his grave, I don’t think he thought to really forecast the “terror”, and the communism, he was a “hippie”
“Marx had helped a lot in between with his analyse of the working class condition”
No, Marx was a villain who set in motion an international political movement designed to destroy the property rights (part of our God-given right to creatively pursue happiness) of individuals allowing their hard-earned property to go over to the all-powerful and self-serving Socialist State; a State which also set about destroying the individual’s God-given rights to human liberty and life itself.
Marx was a tyrant – much more malignant than the Kings of France. His followers have destroyed the property, happiness, liberty and lives of hundreds of millions of innocent and ordinary happiness-pursuing individuals throughout the world.
“I declared to them point-blank: we have received our mandate as the representatives of the proletarian party from no one but ourselves.” Karl Marx
“Society does not consist of individuals but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand.” Karl Marx
“Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists. On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain….The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital. Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.” Karl Marx
“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.” Karl Marx
“The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a communist revolution. Karl Marx
“The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.” Karl Marx
The Eastern European dissidents understand Marxism the best, and they can analyze its pathology better than others because they’ve witnessed and suffered under its malignant tyranny.
“We have arrived at this view of socialism in attempting to account for the contradictions evident in the phenomenon at first glance. And now, looking back, we feel confident that our approach indeed accounts for many of socialism’s peculiarities. Understanding socialism as one of the manifestations of the allure of death explains its hostility toward individuality, its desire to destroy those forces which support and strengthen human personality: religion, culture, family, individual property. It is consistent with the tendency to reduce man to the level of a cog in the state mechanism, as well as with the attempt to prove that man exists only as a manifestation of non-individual features, such as production or class interest.” Igor Shafarevich
http://www.robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html
Marie Claude,
Marxist Socialism is the anti-Declaration of Independence; it is an anti-American system in all respects, and Karl Marx was the anti-Thomas Jefferson. Marxist Socialism does not lead to social justice or human equality; it sets up an elite Socialist governing class of “Philosopher Kings” who are above the law. Marxist human equality is the same as French Revolutionary human equality, i.e.: government-forced economic equality (of a low order – the economic equality of serfs).The ruling Marxist/Socialist elites will of course ensure their own wealth, thus the phrase “equality” is Orwellian. Since Marxist Socialism is built upon the religion of Marxist atheism, there are also no God-given human rights; no unalienable right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness for serfs you know. What human rights the Marxist Socialist State grants to serfs can be ignored or rescinded by law, which of course is simply the word of the Marxist/Socialist oligarchic leadership. As Fjordman says: “Marxist ideals of forced equality can only be enforced by a government with totalitarian powers, and will thus inevitably lead to a totalitarian society. There is no “enlightened Marxism,” and the idea that there is has ruined more lives than probably and other ideology in modern history. Marxism is an organized crime against humanity.”
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2125/print
Marxism is the core ideology of Socialism. Karl Marx believed that social justice required government enforcement of economic equality; an idea he picked up from Rousseau and the French Revolution, and before that from Plato. When the French and other Socialists speak of “equality” you should realize the meaning in an Orwellian way. The middle class will be gradually brought down to the level of the existing poor, and there will then be equality: The equality of serfs; except of course for the ruling Marxist/Socialist elite, and thus you have Orwellian equality, i.e.: inequality. Karl Marx did not believe in equality before the law; that is the understanding of human equality enounced by our founding fathers. The Marxist/Socialist governing (ruling) class is above the law; they are the law, and thus there is inequality before the law, i.e.: Orwellian equality. This differentiation was well described by Igor Shafarevich because he lived under this system of social injustice. Eastern European dissenters have lived under this unjust system which is tilted toward tyranny, and they know the smell of a corpse. Our founding fathers understood that human liberty results in economic inequality; that is just human nature. What they desired; and what they devised with our Constitution was a system of government, not to force economic equality, but to provide for equal opportunity, i.e.: equality before the law. There are those among us, primarily leaders of the Democratic Party, who wish for us to transition from American equality to Marxist equality. This, if we allow it to continue, will not occur in the same way as in the Soviet Union; but the end result is likely to be similar.
“The revolutionaries who drew up the “Conspiracy of Equals” understood equality in such a way that they alone formed the government, while others were to obey implicitly–and those who did not were to be exiled to certain islands for forced labor. In the most popular work of Marxism, the Communist Manifesto, one of the first measures of the new socialist system to be proposed is the introduction of compulsory labor…Plato argues for the necessity of communal property and wives, since only under these conditions will the citizens take joy in and grieve over the same things. In other words, he considers the communality of property and the abolition of the family as means for achieving equality. He regards equality, however, not in the usual sense of equality of rights or opportunities, but as identity of behavior, as the equalization of personalities. Both these traits–the abolition of private property and of the family as a means to achieve equality, and this special understanding of equality–run through the majority of socialist teachings…The usual understanding of “equality,” when applied to people, entails equality of rights and sometimes equality of opportunity (social welfare, pensions, grants, etc.). But what is meant in all these cases is the equalization of external conditions which do not touch the individuality of man. In socialist ideology, however, the understanding of equality is akin to that used in mathematics (when one speaks of equal numbers or equal triangles), i.e., this is in fact identity, the abolition of differences in behavior as well as in the inner world of the individuals constituting society. From this point of view, a puzzling and at first sight contradictory property of socialist doctrines becomes apparent. They proclaim the greatest possible equality, the destruction of hierarchy in society and at the same time (in most cases) a strict regimentation of all of life, which would be impossible without absolute control and an all-powerful bureaucracy which would engender an incomparably greater inequality.” Igor Shafarevich
http://www.robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html
Marxist/Socialist economics boils down to property rights. The free enterprise system of our founding fathers ultimately derives from the Bible, whereas Marxist/Socialist property rights derive from the Communist Manifesto, the holy book of Socialists. And what exactly is the purpose of Marxist law on property rights? The goal is government-forced economic equality; but this turns out not to be social justice, only economic equality of a low order, the economic equality of serfs. Marxist government turns out to be a self-serving, gun-clinging, giant tyrannical Robin Hood; redistributing what it robs from Peter to pay Paul. This arrangement suppresses the human work ethic – the human impulse to be creative – to creatively pursue happiness. Marxists know too, that by setting themselves up in this catbird seat they’ll always have the vote of Paul; and may therefore become a permanent form of self-enrichment and tyranny. This is what Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky agitated for, and what the Democratic Party is now pursuing: Marxism in the United States. You can expect freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and many other sacred human liberties to fall in tandem with your God-given rights to own what is created by the sweat of your brow. Human rights which derive from human government are not sacred, and are not unalienable. Marxism is un-American because it directly contradicts our highest law: The Declaration of Independence.
Contrast the idea of property rights as described by Karl Marx, i.e.: no or minimal individual property rights, with that of Moses and the American Founding Fathers:
Moses/Bible on property rights:
• “You shall not steal”
• “You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife; and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field, his male servant, his female servant, his ox, his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.”
American Founding Fathers on property rights:
“The personal right to acquire property, which is a natural right, gives to property, when acquired, a right to protection, as a social right.” James Madison
“The rights of persons, and the rights of property, are the objects, for the protection of which Government was instituted.” James Madison
“Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.” James Madison
“Property is surely a right of mankind as real as liberty.” John Adams
“Property must be secured, or liberty cannot exist.” John Adams
“Now what liberty can there be where property is taken without consent?” Samuel Adams
“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.” Samuel Adams
“In the general course of human nature, a power over man’s substance amounts to a power over his will.” Alexander Hamilton
“In a free government almost all other rights would become worthless if the government possessed power over the private fortune of every citizen.” Chief Justice John Marshall
“To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association–the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” Thomas Jefferson
“Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have … The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.” Thomas Jefferson
“The true foundation of republican government is the equal right of every citizen in his person and property and in their management.” Thomas Jefferson
“Take not from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.” Thomas Jefferson
“The Constitution of most of our states, and of the United States, assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press.” Thomas Jefferson
“A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means.” Thomas Jefferson
“Property is the fruit of labor…property is desirable…is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.” Abraham Lincoln
woah, Stormy, I must get some rest before reading your post
Marie Claude,
You haven’t revealed your politics, but I assume that you may be a liberal or a Socialist. Even if this is true, I would like your honest opinion on what I’ve written; because I’m considering submitting these ideas for publication at a reputable Modern American Conservative (Classic American Liberal) website. I have many liberal friends (including my wife), and I always debate with liberals before consolidating my opinions – opinions which correspond to the truth as best that I can determine. I fear that modern liberals and Socialists have evolved to a point where they are little different from classic conservatives; where they believe in or would allow government of an elite, by an elite and for an elite.
I believe the original American Revolution is not over; and I believe it is the only significant revolution for real, sacred and unalienable human rights – all others being counter-revolutionary, including the French and Communist Revolutions; and including those Americans themselves who would undo our revolution. Thomas Jefferson said it best:
“The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.” …. “Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure.” …. “Law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.” …. “The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind.” …. “And where else will this degenerate son of science [Hume], this traitor to his fellow men, find the origin of just powers, if not in the majority of the society? Will it be in the minority? Or in an individual of that minority?” …. “A nation ceases to be republican…when the will of the majority ceases to be the law.” …. “The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.” Thomas Jefferson
There is one aspect of the French Revolution which should be added to the American, and that is the idea of fraternity, i.e.: love of family and neighbor. With this in mind I’ll embed the idea into the Declaration of Independence with footnotes:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal (1), that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty(2) and the pursuit of Happiness(3). — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent(4) of the governed…”
(1) Human equality before the law – not government enforced economic equality.
(2) Individual Human Liberty = freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion (religion non-subversive of liberty), freedom to defend life, freedom to own property honestly and creatively attained, freedom to privacy at home, freedom to petition government for grievances, and government power divided into its three branches which is ultimately under control of we the people – not ultimately under control of we the judges.
(3) Happiness deriving from creative work (including property honestly created) and play; and fraternity, i.e.: love of family and neighbor – including unforced charity for those neighbors who are disabled and thereby in need.
(4) Informed consent of the governed.
I am Sarkozyst, I’ll try to read your article, give me a bit of time, for when do you need my response ?
I stopped to question myself about these questions a few years ago, for it seems impossible for us to get rid of the actual form of global government, and instead of whinning, I prefer to focuse on small positive things that the every day life can offers.
I have no more the desire to change the world, just defend myself and mine. I am too old to warm an illusion of a possible “good governance”.
Also I am well aware of the islamisation threat, and my left “combat” in this world will be devoted to empech, with whatever means, that my new-born grand-daughter will have to comply to the rules of an octopusian islamisation of Europe. We had quite numbers of religion wars centuries behind us ; any government that would want to impose us an external practice of them, will be harshly fought, even if we’ll have to cut some new heads !!!
The EU governance is a joke, I don’t like it, I have a secret dream that the money global crisis will defeat it, I don’t care of the EU ; no european country really works for this global servants governance, but only cares for taking some benefits from it, or criticising any initiative of the extravrti sarkozy, but he is the lonely one that wants things to move on or “done” ; none wants to bear a real decision responsability.
As far as marxism or not marxism, I think that in Europe this concept is “has been”, the states are managed like individual kingdoms that owe allegence to an abstract suzerin, I believe that if Sarko is reelected, that he will revolt and declare our independance from Brussels, he already made a few allusions about certain “impossible” administrations, that empech us to react with pragmatism on money regulation, on taxes, on laws (EU laws prevail) ; the only liberty we kept is the possibility to deal ourselves with terrorism threats, whereas exceptional laws and judges can pursue any person that is supposed to forecast a terrorism act and or associations with terrorist organisations.
You se,e the debate about the adequation or the inepty of marxist, socialist ideologies doesn’t take much of our time anymore, they are university items ; what preoccupy us is how we can still get enough money to buy what we need, pay our charges, and yes too, to point on the social services incoherences, point on the sneakers, cheaters…
On the righ and or left sides you can hardly find anyone to contest the validity of our healthcare, of our free education, of our transports, except “education”, the left doesn’t want changes, still more labour helps, more money… the right wants the independance of the universities, thus they could get some extra externe financement and work on valuable and concrete projects, anyway the left will have to comply, already some universities got “partly” autonomy ; that means that the universities presidents can choose their teachers and servants on merits and not by administrative clientelism, that would also means that there will be a selection test for the future students… the left doesn’t want that, hey, how could the left recruits their apparatchniks as riots organisers then ? they mostly are of the non motivated herd.
I have read that the left prefers to have the youth in universities rather than in unemployment agencies, better for its media advertising, though the “losers” finally will get there too.
Well this isn’t a mere “marxist” world, it’s a decadent and bureaucratic world, at the end of its breath, like experienced the egyptians during their phaarons eras, and centuries later, the Romans : there were a new scribes aristocraty that dictated to the official power tenants how they should behave, how the people should live, these scribes were no warriors, they only insured themselves of their survivance across the decades and centuries, in makind the administration more complicated, that no man of “action” would go through and understand, these scribes also organized the palaces revolutions…
so, we are in the same configuration, let’s this civilisation die, and select new “warrior” leaders to show us the path ! I don’t think I’ll see that during my life time, may-be not my children too, though we have to prepare them for when that will happen.
Marie Claude,
Agreed – things seem to be spinning toward an undesirable future. I will pray for you and your children, just as I pray for my own. I’m at the end of my thoughts for now – see you on another thread.
Stormy, I am glad to have met you
Fernandez wrote,
>>I am frustrated that this ideology has not been sufficiently challenged both inside and outside of climatology. We keep hearing one-sided propaganda, but do not hear serious counter-arguments.
He needs to get out more. I suggest he start with http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com.