The resemblance between these two videos is purely coincidental. Between events like this, promoted by a “grassroots” activist in suburban California …
And happy relaxation in places of entertainment in years past …
The Chinese character for “crisis” was inaccurately described as an amalgam of the concepts of “danger” and “opportunity”, but the characterization represents a useful way of thinking about critical points in history. The Depression provided the opportunity for the New Deal. Weimar created the setting for the rise of Hitler. Michael Scherer argues that the failure of the recent bailout proposal in Congresss indicates that the voters are no longer willing to trust politicians with their wallets or their futures. Nor are many willing to trust the financial professionals much either, after what has happened. Rich Lowry quotes a former Lehman banker who says that a withdrawal of confidence sucks the oxygen out of the financial system.
Here’s the wider problem: the solvency of financial institutions, unlike that of industrial companies, doesn’t depend merely on their being able to generate cash flows sufficient to service their debt. Their solvency requires that they maintain enough confidence among lenders, depositors and counterparties that these parties don’t lose faith, suddenly pull their money out all at once, and initiate a Lehman-style run.
But the loss of trust will not be universal. In situations where complex and tough choices are put in front of an electorate that is alarmed, misinformed and in some cases confused, a certain number of people are going simply going to transfer their confidence from discredited professionals to someone who promises to “save” them. Hope is what you sell to those in despair. It is understandable that some people want to “sing for change”. It may help if they bring a tin cup of pencils to sell along too. They may need the money in the end.
BTW, the original YouTube video was withdrawn from public sharing and the embedded video stopped working for a time, but someone has reposted it (HT Sobieski) and I’ve re-embedded. There may be a struggle to keep the video visible to the public in the coming days. Who could have foreseen it would be harder to keep a video criticizing Obama up than one criticizing Hitler?
Anyhow, here’s another video of children singing in the same vein.
“We Love Our Dear Leader”
All totalitarian regimes feature children singing songs of praise for the dictator.
In his Communist Manifesto, published in 1848, Karl Marx proposed 10 measures to be implemented after the proletariat takes power, with the aim of centralizing all instruments of production in the hands of the state. Proposal Number Five was to bring about the “centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.”
If he were to rise from the dead today, Marx might be delighted to discover that most economists and financial commentators, including many who claim to favour the free market, agree with him.
Indeed, analysts at the Heritage and Cato Institute, and commentators in The Wall Street Journal and on this very page, have made declarations in favour of the massive “injection of liquidities” engineered by central banks in recent months, the government takeover of giant financial institutions, as well as the still stalled US$700-billion bailout package. Some of the same voices were calling for similar interventions following the burst of the dot-com bubble in 2001.
“Whatever happened to the modern followers of my free-market opponents?” Marx would likely wonder.
the remainder: http://tinyurl.com/54bh22
Interesting
SING FOR CHANGE
Music and lyrics by Kathy Sawada
Now’s the moment, lift each voice to sing
Sing with all your heart!
For our children, for our families,
Nations all joined as one.
Sing for joy and sing abundant peace,
Courage, justice, hope!
Sing together, hold each precious hand,
Lifting each other up;
Sing for vision, sing for unity,
Lifting our hearts to Sing!
Hmmm. Anything, I dunno, Communist about the little song? Nah!
Mindless adulation is a scary thing. It’s where agreeing with a politician’s philosophy mutates into a faith that the god-like powers of the politician will cure all ills.
The funny thing is, the people who grin at their kids singing in this video are often the people who condemn others for letting children sing this about Jesus.
Yep.
It’s more of a religion than a political philosophy.
All of this is looking more and more like something C.S. Lewis wrote about …
These kids look like the Eloi Choir.
This thing is starting to get a lot of negative play. It’s all over the Rightwing blogosphere, and even Drudge has a link high on his page. It’s threatening to go massively viral.
My bet, it’s pulled before the day is out (West Coast time of course).
Somebody save a copy!
No bailout. Let it burn to the ground. The system is so currupt there is no alternative. Throwing money into these bums gaping maws is not a solution, it’s insanity.
Oh, and Obama is narcissistic poltroon.
Yup, just a bunch o’ regular folk sittin’ round the house thinkin’ they’ll sing a bunch o’ songs about Fearless Leader.
Crew
Andy Blumenthal, Editor
Ann Partrich, Assistant
Barry Rosenbaum, Producer
Christian Wilson, Technical Director
Darin Moran, Camera Operator
Eriko Matsumoto, Art Direction
Eugin Hong, Banner Artist
Gary Rhoades, Producer
Hana Rosenbaum, Banner Artist
Harry Zucker, Production Assistant
Holly Schiffer, Post Producer
Jean Martin, Assistant Camera
Jeff Zucker, Director
Kathy Sawada, Executive Producer
Nick Phoenix, Sound
Peter Rosenfeld, Steadicam Operator
Sandy Silver, Assistant to Executive Producer
Scott C. Smith, Wrangler
Wilma Wong, Producer
Yvette Carter, Production Assistant
“”"”"”"These kids look like the Eloi Choir”"”"”"”
Good observation. The West has become, or wishes to become, the Eloi. Europe is already there, and we are on our way.
Done!
FLASH::
The Burning Down the House Youtube is BACK UP..someone knows their law.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY
The same thing is going on in public schools throughout over this imperiled nation. Little darlings!
In the waning days of my disastrous journey into radicalism and chronic drug abuse, in a more lucid moment, I read a piece in Steward Brand’s “Co-evolutionary Quarterly”. It talked about the proto-hippie movement in Weimar Germany which featured naturalism, outdoors activity such as hiking the Alps, the mystical writings of Herman Hesse and myth enriched paganism.
Hitler played these young idealists like a drum with his call to pure Aryan living and a return to German volk mythology. These little pagans became the Hitler Youth and eventually the Brownshirts and the SS. That video out of California is chilling. And they accuse Christians of brainwashing their kids. Keep your powder dry.
PS. The law used is outlined in an explaination at the beginning of the video.
Thanks smart person, I salute you.
Look at the old man reacting to the Nazi choir. It’s as if he is the only one in the audience who understands what is happening; and he is the only one who is not smiling.
I think that’s why old people are grumpy and withdrawn. They are wise, yet so powerless. They’ve seen this all before and can predict the future. But noone listens; the brainless youth carry all of us through the same calamities we’ve already endured.
I’m in the market for a little shack in Montana. But of course, I cannot sell at the moment!
Somehow I can’t imagine the kids singing in praise of John McCain. And that’s a big difference in the campaign. As Sen. Obama said (paraphrase), ‘I’m a blank screen on which people project their hopes.’
Ten planks of Communist Manifesto:
Plausible conversation amoung the Democratic leadership:
“Are we there yet?
“Almost. a small push by our O man and we’re there.
Check out the Democrats Marxists checklist.
10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial .
My observation is that you certainly don’t have to have every plank fufilled before you’re a Marxist country…Folks take a HARD look at what Marx outlined and where we are now. I say according to what I see we’ve made it to Marxism.
Pod people. The adults are, any way. I wonder at what age the transformation from human child to pod person adult takes place. But there *is* evidence that once they’re out of college and away from pod person parental units, the children can turn back into human beings, and start thinkng again.
The children reminded me of tapes we get out of Gaza where the little Palestinians are taught to hate the Jews, wave their little wood guns around and scream “Death to Israel”. With the Palestinians, by the time they’ve grown up enough to question their indoctrination, they’re already dead so they never have the chance to grow up into something different and better.
I think any spouse who would allow their Democrat other to take their children to an event like this should have words like “child abuse” and “divorce” floating through their brain … unless they’re a pod person who’s a wannabe Republican, when obviously they’re beyond thinking anything any more. These children are doomed.
NahnCee: There are many ways in which both Invasion of the Sanity Snatchers and Blight of the Living Dead too easily apply to disparate events since the turn of the millennium. What’s most disturbing is that such descriptions have moved beyond parody into tragical acceptance.
You got a typo there. I think you meant to say ‘crisis’ is ‘danger’ plus ‘opportunity’. Still, given the multiple possible meanings of the two characters it seems like ‘danger+opportunity’ is a reasonable translation. The Wikipedia entry is interesting.
Catchy song, well sung.
Tomorrow belongs to me.
“To those who seek first the Kingdom of God, all the rest will be added. From those who, like the modern idolaters of progress, seek first all the rest in the expectation that (after the harnassing of atomic power and the next revolution but three) the Kingdom of God will be added, everything will be taken away.”
“The aim of all revolutions is to make the future radically different from and better than the past. But some time-obsessed philosophies are primarily concerned with the past, not the future, and their politics are entirely a matter of preserving or restoring the status quo, and getting back to the good old days. But the retrospective time-worshippers have on thing in common with the revolutionary devotees of the bigger and better future; they are prepared to use unlimited violence to achieve their ends.”
“It is here that we discover the essential difference between the politics of the eternity-philosophers and the politics of time-philosophers. For the latter, the ultimate good is to be found in the temporal world–in a future, where everyone will be happy because all are doing and thinking something either entirely new and unprecedented or, alternatively, something old, traditional and hallowed. And because the ultimate good lies in time, they feel justified in making use of any temporal means for achieving it.”
“The only exceptions are those simple Epicurean faiths, in which the reaction to an all too real time is ‘eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die.’ This is not very noble, nor even a realistic kind of morality. But it seems to make a good deal more sense than the revolutionary ethic: ‘Die (and kill), for tomorrow someone else will eat, drink and be merry.’ ”
The Perennial Philosophy – Huxley
Horst Wessel Song
When goodness becomes weak,
When evil increases,
I make myself a body.
In every age I come back
To deliver the holy
To destroy the sin of the sinner
To establish righteousness.
He who knows the nature
Of my task and my holy birth
Is not reborn
When he leaves the body;
He comes to Me.
Flying from fear
From lust and anger,
He hides in Me,
His refuge and safety.
Burnt clean in the blaze of my being,
In Me many find home.
Gita
“The Logos passes out of eternity into time for no other purpose than to assist the beings, whose bodily form he takes, to pass out of time into eternity.
It is…not a history, but a process for ever unfolded in the heart of man—matters of historical fact are without religious significance.”
Huxley
I agree that the loss of confidence will not be universal. And there is another alternative outcome.
Large financial institutions continue to wither. Even the big guys (Citi, JPMorgan, Wells Fargo, BofA) begin a delevering process by selling off lots of their assets (good and bad) to others. Deposits move from the big guys to smaller regional players who are better capitalized (on a relative basis) and closer to their customer. Cost of capital – which used to be a big competitive advantage for the big guys – becomes less of an issue.
What will happen, then, is a massive decentralization of credit. In the place of a few big players will be hundreds of smaller players, each with a particular focus: geographic, industry, demographic, etc. These smaller players will continue to use derivatives to spread the risk that, in the past, could only be shared by being part of a big institution. Capital that is “on the sidelines” will support these smaller players as they take market share and force continuing change on Wall Street.
This is exactly what happened with the collapse of Enron, at the time a Fortune 5 company. Enron was actually a collection of several businesses: a very profitable energy trading operation, a reliably profitable regulated pipeline business, and a bunch of wacky money-losers like telecom and international power plant development. A crisis of confidence, manifesting itself as a liquidity crisis, caused the collapse of the entire enterprise. But the profitable, value-adding parts of the business simply reconstituted themselves: there is still a huge energy trading industry that is amazingly profitable, and the pipelines were sold off to other companies and investors who have made billions through Master Limited Partnerships. The money-losing stuff simply died.
This transformation occurred with a lot of local disruptions (it took Houston real estate 5+ years to recover), but no significant impact to the rest of the economy. I expect the same kind of local problems in New York and Charlotte, but overall we are likely to bounce back faster than anyone fears at this time. I can remember that Houstonians feared the end of Enron would kill the city – it didn’t.
A lot of this worked fast because these markets were largely unregulated, and while shareholders were wiped out and bankruptcy lawyers enriched, for the rest of the world it was just a speed bump.
Of course, Wall Street is much larger, and much more regulated, so the pain will be greater, and felt for a longer time. Enron’s collapse was like lopping off a gangrenous hand with a hatchet – painful but quick. Wall Street’s demise will be more like waiting until the gangrene spreads, we will end up cutting off an arm with a pocket knife – excruciating and long. But in the end, the more time and effort we spend trying to save it, the longer and more painful it will be.
Now, an Obama administration is likely to extend the agony by making people believe this can be done with no pain. And the timing of the election certainly makes that appeal more attractive – like Zapatero’s approach after the Madrid bombings. So it is likely to be successful in the short run. In the long run, not so much.
To be sure, there are those who believe Obama will save them. But many more people are voting with their cash, and moving their money into US Treasuries until things settle down. That money will never return to Wall Street; it will end up in local banks and individual investment accounts. Obama may try to stop this, but it won’t work. Any attempt to do so on his part will hammer his approval ratings, and undermine his administration by robbing it of political capital. And, after four years, he’ll be gone.
If this scenario plays out, it will be because we rediscover the principle of subsidiarity: actions should be taken at the lowest level possible, closest to the parties in interest. The economies of scale that once existed in financial services have been overwhelmed by the diseconomies of scale like moral hazard and managing complex organizations. Financial federalism will be renewed, and all of us will be better for it. All of us, that is, except for New York and Washington DC.
I freely admit, this is only one of the possible scenarios. Others are much bleaker. But I am, at the end of the day, an optimist…
L3
Now who does this character from “Brave New World” remind you of?
MUSTAPHA MOND
Resident World Controller of Western Europe. He presides over one of the ten zones of the World State, the global government set up after the cataclysmic Nine Years’ War and the Great Economic Collapse. Sophisticated and good-natured, His Fordship is an urbane and hyperintelligent apologist for Brave New World and its velvet-gloved totalitarianism. Mond defends BNW’s ethos of “Community, Identity, Stability” by comparing his harmonious post-Fordist civilisation with the horrors of the suppressed historical past. ….
The Controller argues that art, literature and scientific freedom must be sacrificed in order to secure the ultimate utilitarian goal of maximising societal happiness. He defends the genetic caste system, behavioural conditioning and the lack of personal freedom in the World State as a price worth paying for achieving social stability. Stability is the highest social virtue because it leads to lasting happiness.
See 1:31 in the video. Am I the only person who thinks the man standing at the right looks like William Ayers?
Whitehall,
BBC7 is reading Aldous Huxley’s novel as I speak.
Lenina and Bernard are currently visiting a “savage-reservation” in New Mexico, and Lenina just discovered she’s forgotten her Soma stash – and she must face the human scenery “without aid.”
The line the Director in Lenina’s dormatory utters that creeps me out the most is, “We all belong to each other.” The stanza in the song the kids are singing in the video above is mere syllables away parroting that same line.
C-r-e-e-p-y!
Who is the demonic looking cat at the end of the nazi video? Is this from “Cabaret”?
Mephistophiles?
Burton (1992, p. 61) speculates on Greek elements that may have played a part in the coining of the name, including Greek mē “not”, phōs “light” and philos “lover”, suggesting “not a lover of light” in parody of Lucifer (“light-bearer”, a common epithet of Satan);
Habu:
“My observation is that you certainly don’t have to have every plank fufilled before you’re a Marxist country…Folks take a HARD look at what Marx outlined and where we are now. I say according to what I see we’ve made it to Marxism.”
Further evidence that you’ve never been to a Marxist country Habu. (I spent three terrifying weeks in the DDR in the eighties, and I know real Marxism, not your hysterical posturing.) And spare us all the surreal stories of your Vietnam adventures with Frank Castle and John Rambo and how you seved with Steven Seagal in the CIA.
You know the difference between you and the real Marines who served in Vietnam and then went on to do wetwork in the 70s and 80s? They don’t boast about their exploits in the comments section of a blog. No one believes you.
After this current crisis, this country will probably get about as liberal as its been since 1965, but to say we’re in the midst of Marxism right now is the depths of moronitude.
Thank you.
Operating under the long known maxim put forth by Sir Thomas Moore in his defense, that of “Qui tacet consentire”, He who is silent (about a thing) gives consent (to that thing). Then reading no comments on the USA being Marxist I can only reach, Qui tacet consentire.
Graphs on the death of Marxism, postmodernism, and other stupid academic fads
If academia is turning away from Marxism, postmodernism and other stupid fads, how long before this new trend reaches back to their former students? 20 years?
I have calculated that everything vile and repugnant that drifts up this way from California takes about 15 to 20 years to reach here after becoming full blown down there. On average.
This includes drugs, sexual infidelities and perversions of all kinds, political hallucinations, and radical thoughtless environmentalism. And Barbara Walters who has a summer home here.
Coyotl:
First allow me to tell you how sorry I am you were terrified. It obviously traumatized you. Oh, and I guess congratulations are in order that you know real Marxists. Do they party like regular people?
What I did on this thread was point out Marx 10 points and ask a question and you suddenly make the claim that hysteria has entered the room. I assure you I am calm.
Your opinion on a return to the liberalism pre 1965 may turn out to be spot on, although none of us know. If you would be so kind, just reread the 10 Marxist points and give us your insight into how valid each is in the USA today. I know I’d be interested since I don’t know any Marxists, just the philosophy.
Looking forward to your insight.
Bobal,
I agree. I have noticed when I’m in Montana that it’s a much more agreeable atmosphere and that the trends are a wee bit slower to take hold. I have noticed that the kids do pick up the pop culture via TV/cable much quicker no matter where you go. I think we’re fortunate to have that part of the country where the pace is kinder to the soul.
My earlier offering on Marist point number five is a bit of what we seem to be grappling with at the moment. Will all of Wall Street, or it’s remains, and all the banks end up with a Czar?
BTW you wouldn’t happen to know how much money the FED has injected into the economy in the last two years, would you?. I mean yesterdays $630 billion is a big number and I know there have been others I just don’t have an aggregate
bobal,
I’ve seen this JSTOR referred to a good deal. You wouldn’t happen to know the tariff on signing up for it’s info would you?
Ask me the price of soft white winter wheat, Habu, I can get you that. Sorry I can’t help much with the others.
Coyotl,
It doesn’t sound like you got out and about much during your time with terror gripping you but if you did what is your impression of Marx point #5. Did you converse with your Marxists friends about the advantages/disadvantages of a totally centralized monetary system?
Leo Linbeck III
I was reading last night by the timeyou posted that excellent explaination on notational value.
I was just your everyday series 7 broker with Smith Barney and Merrill so I never delved deeply into notational values, so it was valuable, thanks.
There’s always that point in brokerage where you pick up new knowledge and derivatives were definitely the talk after LTCM went under, si I read a bit…are you a CFA?
Habu, thanks for your concern over my sojourn in East Germany in the eighties. I survived w/o major trauma, thank you, and no, they didn’t party as they did in West Germany. Products were poorer, the people far more depressed and gray. The markets were crappy, and dirty, the restaurant food bad, the toilets dirty. You would know this if you’ve ever been to a real communist country as you so often claim in your dashing Mack Bolan adventures. (Was that ’68 or ’70 that you first went to ‘Nam?)
As you challenge I accept:
“1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.”
Hasn’t happened.
“2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.”
Could get a bit closer if Obamamessiah wins, but would be nowhere near democratic socialist states like Sweden. Unlikely to get anywhere near where it was in the US in the 50s when we were still free and capitalist.
“3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.”
Nope.
“4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.”
Nada.
“5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.”
Nope. There will still be private credit in the US, even if this damned Bailout passes. Be serious.
“6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.”
Yeah, dude, the State has come to take my Impala and replace it with a Prius! Ain’t going to happen.
“7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.”
No one’s gong to nationalize the Toyota transmission factory in Tennessee.
“8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.”
Industrial armies, yeah, right. Agricultural armies: quaint.
“9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.”
What does this even mean in 2008? People rounded up and redistributed to the country? Please.
“10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial.”
Abolishing child labor in factories . . . is a good idea and happened long ago, and its not just a tenet of Marxism, it’s common sense. Kids shouldn’t be in factories. Free education is as late 19th century liberal as it is Marxist, and isn’t a bad idea. Even the poor need to know how to read, yes?
So, 1.2 out of 10. A Marxist dystopia we are not and will never be and to suggest that America would regress to this thoroughly discredited system is just silly, girlish hysteria. As silly as bragging one is a 60-year old superspy who can bench press 700lbs. in the comments section of a blog.
Habu,
Thx for the feedback. Glad you found the post useful.
No, I’m not a CFA. My main job is husband and father of five. My paying job is CEO of a private, multi-company enterprise with about 1,000 employees and $600M in revenues. My public service is education; I teach MBA students (Rice in the fall, Stanford in the spring), and I work with KIPP:Houston (a public charter school) as their “Chief Growth Architect,” whatever that means.
And I’m a proud, card-carrying member of the Belmont Club.
L3
I’ve just watched the Youtube video of young elementary-school-age children coached to sing a song celebrating Obama. The adults in the video smile adoringly on these children for their innocent obedience to their direction, as if they could possibly understand any of the issues in the election.
This goes far beyond any sort of defensible “celebrity worship” like the adolescent fawning that millions of fans showed for JFK. This is the first time in my six decades on the planet that I have seen and recognized the true face of fascism in the United States. The exploitation of ignorant, obedient, and trusting children to parrot phrases and political slogans the significance of which they cannot remotely grasp is the most sickening sign of a corrupt movement. It is a powerful and perilous weapon. Of course all religions too indoctrinate their children, yes, but with the understanding that their reverence is reserved for a supreme being and an ethic that transcends any worldly precincts.
These children are being groomed to revere a single person, to give their allegiance and bodies and souls to a single human leader, just as surely as were the devotees of Sun Myung Moon, the Reverend Jim Jones, or Adolph Hitler. Their parents and the NEA drones that are busy indoctrinating these cadres are committing a crime against civilization, and against the children.
This is the same mentality that sent scrawny 12-year-olds barefoot and clothed in thin pyjamas into minefields to clear pathways for the older soldiers. It is the mentality that tosses out the weakest ones to the wolves, instead of putting themselves in harm’s way. I have only contempt for such as these.
Coyotl:
Well there you go. The word straight from a source who claims she was in the DDR and terrified. Now if she would only prove to us that she was there (no need to prove the terrified part, that’s totally believable).
I for one don’t believe she’s been outside of her home county but that’s just my take on her. But on the chance that she did then bravo for putting a crack in the glass ceiling.
Wonder how all those men who never talk about their exploits manage to sell screenplays about their operations, books, and magazine articles, get interviewed on TV and are used by all the major networks as analysts do that if they never talk about those exploits? I guess they just whisper into the microphones and type gently on their keyboards. And it was 300 pounds.
Yeah it’s hard to believe all she said without proof. But in an age of ID theft she would be a fool to give out her passport number or driver’s license number. That’s the world we live in at this time. She’s definitely a bit cramped up tonight, say ole girl?
Had a ball once again..bedtime..have a great day tomorrow.
first I thought naa, everybodies overeacting…. but wow. aparently im not free right now but yes obama is the savior who will bring that for me. and america sucks but its gonna get “re-arranged” and then after all the “re-education” itll be all better in the world…
…blechhh phewey
my only second comment is those parents are gonna be the first ones sacrificed to thier “god” by the obama youth brigades who are going to come to see that they are holding up progress.
Perhaps we should begin referring to The One as the Uni-bama now, the bringer of destruction for the creation of a new world order.
The song transitions into a march like cadence.
Might as well be the Horst Wessel Lied.
youtube does not seem to allow downloading this video, which means it can be pulled and later denied that it existed.
How can I download it so that I can save it and show it to people?
There are some NBC employees working on this.
Sell GE stock and write Jeffrey Immelt and tell him why you are recommending that everyone sell GE stock.
“Knock on wood.” Do you know where that expression comes from– an ancient belief that there were spirits in trees and you could summon them and ask them for favors. Very few people today believe that spirits inhabit trees, but you will, and do see, people who say “knock on wood.” They persist in patterns of behavior when the reasons for exhibiting it have long been forgotten. Its called superstition.
And that, truly, underlies much of the behavior that those who now call themselves “progressives” indulge in. In the days of the Cold War there was the bipolar conflict between the US and the USSR. Anything the US did in the way of military action must have been, by definition, against the “progressive” forces of the USSR; therefore it should be fought and opposed by any and all means.
But now, after the great “progressive” state of the USSR fell apart, the superstitious peasants of academia and their acolytes still continue to persist in patterns of behavior which no longer have any connection with current reality at all. The fact that the US fights against SOMEONE does not necessarily mean that they are fighting against a “progressive” opponent, but this is totally lost to the superstitious idiots of the Left.
Since we’re off on a song tangent:
I’m lying on my back now
The stars look all too near
Flowers on the razor wire
I know you’re here
We are few
And far between
I was thinking about her skin
Love is a many splintered thing
Don’t be afraid now
Just walk on in
(Flowers on the razor wire)
(Walk on in)
Her eyes were cobalt red
Her voice was cobalt blue
I see no purple light
Crashing out of you
So just walk on in
(Flowers on the razor wire)
(Walk on in)
Her lovers queued up in the hallway
I heard them scratching at the door
I tried to tell her
About Marx and Engels, God and Angels
I don’t really know what for
But she looked good in ribbons
So just walk on in
She looked good in ribbons
So just walk on in
Tie a red red red red red red ribbon
Love is a many splintered thing
Tie a red red red red ribbon
Don’t be afraid
Just walk on in
Just walk on in
(Incoming…)
(Incoming…)
Just walk on in
Just walk on in
Flowers on the razor wire
Just walk on in…
INCOMING!
Are the cards issued if one follows the tip jar link?
Maybe our little Obamabots can learn this blast from the Soviet past:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr6gLQ6CmYY&feature=related
“Ribbons” by Sisters of Mercy, BTW.
Another group of children singing
Yet another catchy little tune for the Dear Leader:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_z_pHUKajc
Interesting statistic. When we first started talking about this Fascist Sing Along this morning, it had about 105,000 views. It is now, as of 11:13 EST, at 376,256 views.
That can only be good news.
Spread the word, folks, spread the word. I am trying to capture the twisted thing, just in case.
I was gonna post the YouTube link to Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds doing “Stagger Lee”, but thought a.) I might get yelled at; and b.) I probably should eat something and/or go nighty.
As to that first vid, that audience was almost all bourgeois women and a few overfatted men…the kind of herd with which a few jihadis could have endless entertainment.
To use children for a political and ideological cause is unconscionable. It is sinful. Evil.
This is what is coming at us.
God help my country.
God help all countries, because we won’t anymore.
Camtasia is your friend.
Captured for, umm, posterity. At a whopping 600+ MB. But I have it, audio and video, if we need it down the road.
The description on YouTube is an added delight. Get how it begins:
Sing for Change chronicles a recent Sunday afternoon, when 22 children, ages 5-12, gathered to sing original songs in the belief that their singing would lift up our communities for the coming election.
Oh, so children FIVE YEARS OLD gathered “in the belief that their singing would lift up our communities”? Nuh huh. Pretty politically active five year olds ya got there.
Some of the YouTube comments are complaining that negative comments are being removed. No way! Leftists censoring information? Impossible. Only the Rethuglicans censor people!
The “Obama flag” on the wall looks to me like a new day dawning on a world in which the U.S. flag is draped in the dirt.
peterike,
re: veiwership statistics:
I’ve argued that McCain should run this ad on TV stations across all the battleground states on his dime. Run it as is. That would creep so many voters out it would ensure a win.
Off topic and then goodnight.
Palin has a friendly audience on Hugh Hewitt and starts to get a bit of her mojo back. She needs to do a LOT more of this.
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/0c03d39e-df44-41fc-af7d-f2f9a7f56b68
She has a lot of good lines in the interview. This subtle dig was my favorite.
HH: Now Governor, the Gibson and the Couric interview struck many as sort of pop quizzes designed to embarrass you as opposed to interviews. Do you share that opinion?
SP: Well, I have a degree in journalism also, so it surprises me that so much has changed since I received my education in journalistic ethics all those years ago.
Heh.
Yeah…I heard the audio of this on Rush today.
Yes, there are other places in the world, past and present, where children sang songs in praise of their ‘Glorious Leader’…the only problem is that those same countries had dark, nasty places to send people who wouldn’t sing the praises of those selfsame leaders.
Well then, now you can’t say that you weren’t warned, can you?
Hey, I recall the damned democrats in California wanted to extend the vote to 14 year olds. Or was it 12? Seriously.
A woman carrying should have two votes.
The song is beyond bad – but – what they hey – it’s California!! Will.I.Am’s pro-Obama “Yes We Can” is actually much worse. Can’t blame that on a State of Mind. He’s a national musical…figure.
BTW – one of the REALLY appalling moments of this campaign was when some tasteless hack on MSNBC dissed Mac for liking Abba. That made me want to vote for the Old Man!!
As for Wretch’s reach back to Germany. There is a better comparison – paranoid too, but more apt! – in Sheldon Wolin’s new book “Democracy Inc.” – He notes the similarity between the key scene in Leni Riefenstahl’s classic Nazi propagada film “Triumph of Will” – avec the Leader descending out of the clouds – and Bush’s flying home gambit prior to the Mission Accomplished speech. Which also served as a kind high ritucal moment of communion with Power. Truth is, pubs always do fascist chic better than dems…Be honest Clubbers, I understand why you wouldn’t care to be in the same room with those namby pamby Cali tots (and their parents). But, you’re gonna have to work pretty hard to convince yourself they’re SCARY…Think of that test Hitler Youth had to pass – Each one of them had a kill a cat with his bare hands. Think those Cali kids will ever go there? You KNOW the answer…
Unless you’re drunk as Wiskey or madder than Ken…
California Proposal To Lower Voting Age Here
Benj can never contradict the very words of Obama that he will end the ballistic missile defense program, the F-22 Raptor, the Virginia class submarine, and all other critical and new technological battlefield systems. Our enemies are not going to disarm and are going to continue to develop WMD’s and new battlefield and aerial weapons.
The man who would never be able to get a security clearance is about to occupy the Oval Office… again. Bill Clinton would never have been able to get one as well, and he let the Chinese get critical technology. I’m not saying Obama would do something that low. But the fact that he, as CIC, would take measures to weaken our military and weaken our deterrence posture in the world says it all.
Think of that test Hitler Youth had to pass – Each one of them had a kill a cat with his bare hands.
Riiiighhhhtttt. Per Wikipedia, “By 1940, [Hitler Youth] had eight million members.”
That’s a heck of a lot of dead cats, me boy-o. Hitler Youth started innocently enough as well, in 1922.
But, you’re gonna have to work pretty hard to convince yourself they’re SCARY
The kids aren’t scary, they’re just kids. Though some of them look pretty glazed and the girl that leads off the video looks positively fearful. It’s the parents that are scary, forcing their children into worshipping their secular Godhead.
I might add, at one point in the second (and utterly dreadful) “song” the kids are made to chant “yes we can can can, yes we can can can” over and over in a hypnotic cadence. That is a typical cult methodology.
“pubs always do fascist chic better than dems…”
That’s very debatable, benj, but guess what?
Dems always do fascism…period.
“but – what they hey – it’s California!!”
Actually, it’s NOT California, although it’s IN California, and if you look at who’s behind it, the name ‘Hollywood’ should ring a bell.
“True, he converted a wolf and preached sermons to birds, but when Brother Juniper hacked the feet off a living pig in order to satisfy a sick man’s craving for fried trotters, the saint merely blamed his disciple’s intemperate zeal in damaging a valuable piece of private property. It was not until the nineteenth century, when orthodox Christianity had lost much of its power over European minds, that the idea that it might be a good thing to behave humanely towards animals began to make headway. This new morality was correlated with the new interest in Nature, which had been stimulated by the romantic poets and the men of science. Because it was not founded upon an eternity-philosophy, a doctrine of divinity dwelling in all living creatures, the modern movemnet in favour of kindness to animals was and is perfectly compatible with intolerance, persecution and systematic cruelty towards human beings. Young Nazis are taught to be gentle with dogs and cats, ruthless to Jews.”
Perennial Philosophy, Huxley
Oh yes, almost forgot.
fred–1935hrs@9.30.08–that depends [in part] on the browser you’re using. If you use Firefox, all you need in the ‘Video DownloadHelper’ add-on. Then given that, there are various programs that you can use to re-encode the video to a more ‘useful’ format, like AVI. Not everyone has VLC or Media Player Classic on their computer [I prefer VLC myself...]. Or you can get ‘YouTube Downloader 2.1.6′ from CNET. Heck, there’s many different ways to go…
Also be careful when selecting programs; most of the ones you find on CNET or FileHippo are meant for XP machines, rather than Vista platforms [if you're running vista, you have my sympathy...].
Hopefully this info is helpful to you.
Regarding the song Tomorrow Belongs to Me from Cabaret; people do confuse it with the Horst Wessel. There is some satisfaction in noting that Jewish artists could make a better Nazi anthem than the real Nazis could.
The bad news today is the closing of the NY Sun. The world is a smaller darker place with fewer brave and free voices being heard against the panic of the herd and the braying of the barbarians.
CPT. Charles,
I downloaded the CNET youtube downloader and installed it. Worked like a charm. Now I can send this file to all my friends.
One of the things I liked about the NY Sun is that in the wake of 9/11 it was featuring writers who were exposing the Left’s sympathies with the terrorists. I would imagine that a lot of folks in certain neighborhoods in NYC did not appreciate that one bit. But, hey, if the shoe fits…
benj: Hitler’s first years in power were characterized by very fast and graphic improvements in the lives of Germans. There were victims of course, but for most Germans, it was wonderful.
I had a friend, dead now, who was in his early 20′s, living at home because he was unemployed, a trained, skilled tradesman. He had nothing, no future. When Hitler gained power, within two weeks he and many others were told where to show up for work.
These kids are singing a religion of the state, religion of an statesman. That is a characteristic of most of the nasty regimes in history.
Pompous presidents or elected leaders are a dime a dozen.
Derek
“Think those Cali kids will ever go there? You KNOW the answer…”
Benj,
You never know about those crazy cali kids…,
“Girl Scout: Is this made from real lemons?
Wednesday: Yes.
Girl Scout: I only like all-natural foods and beverages, organically grown, with no preservatives. Are you sure they’re real lemons?
Pugsley: Yes.
Girl Scout: Well, I’ll tell you what. I’ll buy a cup if you buy a box of my delicious Girl Scout cookies. Do we have a deal?
Wednesday: Are they made from real Girl Scouts?”
As per Palin getting her mojo back. I heard her interview. She did well. Drudge has a headline that Gwen Awful…I mean Ifell the NPR debate moderator has a book lauding His O-ness coming out. I can see the questions now.
Uh Senator Biden do you like puppies and kittens?
Uh Mayor of that town of 10 people Palin, Why are you a fascist bitch who burns down libraries and belongs to a Satanic coven?
BTW…someone done their own take on the above video.
http://tiny.cc/2K3bf
Enjoy.
And then there’s this one…catchy tune too.
http://tiny.cc/Tl7xO
The voting has begun in Ohio.
Here we have an honorable citizen of Ohio–
by blackbubba [Oct 1, 2008 1:39:47 AM] Yo — All you Repugnantins out there .. Double Dippers and Poll Slammers are coming to you’re Bush — Votin’ state of rich whiteys. We got 30 days to vote in Ohio … Over an’ Over … and Over again … No more need for tripple-slams and dippin’. You wanna defeat the whitey’s and paint the rich house Black? Go to Ohio RIGHT NOW … and register with a brother … We’ve got lots of space and you can register and vote in one county … and next day go stay with anotha brother and register and vote again. And again .. and Again … “Vote early … and Vote Often” … MAKE SURE THAT THE REPUGNANTINS are DEFEATED … RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bush-Whack them all out of OFFICE … Don’t take no chances … VOTE as many times as you can. Theres your answer regarding if this election is going to be fair or not. I feel like we are in the soviet union. I thought this was a democracy. I guess not anymore. youre right, bdriskill ……. next step socialism.
from the comments section of an article on early voting in the late great state of Ohio.
Feller is the backbone of our coming society.
Traditionally, American politicians and political parties have had a moratorium against organizing at the junior high and elementary school level. Even in high schools, it has been generally frowned upon to politically organize eighteen year olds.
The Venice children’s chorus breaks that taboo. By putting the participation of children front and center, this group of Obama partisans opens a big can of worms.
If it is okay for Obama partisans to use children to mouth propaganda, what keeps other factions from following suit? Is it really healthy for our republic for children to be organized into political clubs? I don’t think so.
It would be just as appalling if McCain supporters naively filmed a children’s chorus of their own singing the praises of “John McCain, the Great American Hero”. Taboos usually exist for a reason.
It seems like the video has been made private, but I did find a repost:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlcIwvHZUl4
Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
The video has been taken down, anyone got a mirror?
Now I know what a secular Democrat’s church service looks like.
If you’ve ever been inside the “cocoon” of a liberal-think organization (and I have because of m work in government, and in the California Bay Area a couple of times), one is awe-struck when gazing into the eyes of a group of “true believers”. You realize that they have no idea that “normal” people have views 180 degrees out of phase with their own. You realize that they have no comprehension to anyone with a modicum of common sense how nutty their world view looks to the rest of the world. “One world, one people” indeed.
Yet, it looks like up to half the voting population in America has slipped into this cocoon. Fantasy overtakes reality.
“One of the things I liked about the NY Sun is that in the wake of 9/11 it was featuring writers who were exposing the Left’s sympathies with the terrorists. I would imagine that a lot of folks in certain neighborhoods in NYC did not appreciate that one bit. But, hey, if the shoe fits…” – Fred
No, as I heard it “way back then”, many of those NYC residents from the “left of center” political spectrum were asking “Why New York City? Didn’t those idiots know that there were red state cities which were better targets?”
The bipartisan “we’re all in this together..” shocked me, and for a few months, I even believed that the country had finally changed, that the liberal Democrats had been jerked out of their naive complacency on national security, they they had finally realized that there were worse things and nastier people on this earth than Republicans and GWB. It lasted about 2 months.
I think someone has already posted on this but was this video really posted by Jeff Zucker, CEO of NBC?
If so this is scandalous.
See: creepy video
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31411_Creepy_Video_of_the_Day-_Obama_Youth
Old Salt said: No, as I heard it “way back then”, many of those NYC residents from the “left of center” political spectrum were asking “Why New York City? Didn’t those idiots know that there were red state cities which were better targets?”
What struck me immediately after 9/11 was how much sympathy there was in the rural South for New York.
“You know the difference between you and the real Marines who served in Vietnam and then went on to do wetwork in the 70s and 80s? They don’t boast about their exploits in the comments section of a blog. No one believes you. Coyotl”
Coyotl, since we don’t have the ability to validate each others bonafides, such speculation and confrontation is pointless. The more you confront the more a poser will seek to prove himself, and the “real deal” will just walk away. Neither profits this forum.
You are spot on your assessment before. I’ve cited this personal experienced on the web in the past, so I may be unmasking my alias by relaying it here, but it’s one of the most surreal experiences in my life. Just after I had completed my training and was headed to my active duty station as a freshly minted, hot-shit LTJG, I returned home on leave and went fishing with my dad and some of his buddies. He and a friend he’d known in the neighborhood for years, had joined this fishing club a few years previously, and had settled into a small sub-group of mostly Japanese-American guys who simply loved to fish. (If you’ve ever gone fishing with a dedicated bass-boat fisherman, you’ll know what I mean. It’s more like “fishing assault” than my style of fishing while half drunk and asleep.)
So I joined this group of gentlemen, and was respectfully introduced to all as a new USN Navy Officer, and of course was flattered. It was sort of my “boy becoming a man in the eyes of his father’s friends” sort of moment. Well, after a half day of travel, we all sat around the room of the rented cabin, preparing lines, lures, pools, reels, and all the other gear for the next day. It was then my dad took me aside, and gently explained to me, that I might want to know a little more about his “fishing buddies”.
What I knew about my dad largely came from one of his few more talkative friends. I knew that my dad had been a Navy Corpsman attached to the US Marines, that he had been on a ship that had been torpedoed, and that he’d been in the Pacific campaign. I had seen one single picture of him taken just before he left the service after 2 years of war, a 19 year old who had the tired eyes of a guy 10 or 15 years older. My dad never went hunting after returning from war – he just didn’t have it in him. This friend filled in the blanks for me, so by that time I knew my dad had been in nearly non-stop battle during Mac Arthur’s “island hopping” campaign. He had been on the battle field under fire keeping his Marines alive. He was the “real deal”, who went on to become a quiet, unassuming Pharmacist.
So, he took me aside, and privately “re-introduced” his friends. His “neighborhood buddy” was a retired Marine Colonel, what at the start of the war was a Warrant assigned to a small fort in the Philippines called Corregidor, and later survived a long walk in a place called Bataan, only to suffer over four years of harsh Japanese captivity. His friend was the “real deal”.
Then he introduced me to two of the three Japanese men (who were with their own sons). They had fought with an Army unit called the 442nd, who had mixed it up a bit with the Germans in Italy during WWII. They had earned a few medals out of that. The third Japanese friend was too young at the time, i.e. he didn’t make it out of Manzanar before the war ended.
I left that cabin to get some air, and after some reflection, realized that I was in the presence of a piece of living history. It wasn’t just the fact that these men were all “the real deal”, but the realization that my dad and his friend the Marine must have been anything but predisposed to befriend a Japanese, hyphenated-American or otherwise, after their war experiences. Yet here were were, not 35 years later, and they were the best of friends. My dad and his buddy were eating the Japanese food, joking with the guys, like they had known each other for a life time.
So, back to your original observation about the real heroes. I was humbled to be with these men, these good and gracious men, and I was almost embarrassed that they knew that I was a new Navy officer, a dwarf in their presence. They were the “real deal”, and I was not. Your observation has been my consistent experience throughout my military experience. Except among themselves, and at the appropriate time (usually involving a intemperate amount of alcohol), these guys are the silent type.
Peterike wrote: My bet, it’s pulled before the day is out (West Coast time of course).
Bingo! He shoots, he scores!
Ledger: I think someone has already posted on this but was this video really posted by Jeff Zucker, CEO of NBC?
If so this is scandalous.
Yup. He’s listed as “Director.” Or was. I also just noticed the web site for “Sing for Change” has removed the list of “credits” for the video. Pity I posted them on this thread earlier. Tsk tsk.
Someone commented in one of the previous threads that it is dishonest to shift all the blame for the subprime crisis on the Democrats. I think there must have been enough cupidity to go around on both sides of the aisle for things to have reached this pass. Even now there is “bipartisan” support for dubious policies. Because the problem is bipartisan, a cleanout on both sides of the political fence is probably necessary. But how is it going to happen?
The nerve is there. If anyone deserves a citation for “profiles in courage” in recent days it is probably the American voter, who took the enormous risk in the face of a chorus of testimony by the financial professionals, to oppose the bailout, at least for the present. But the cleanup is going to have to take place relatively gradually through the electoral process. For this to happen the reform movement needs leadership and a focus. I wonder whether that will be forthcoming over the coming weeks.
Reports issued yesterday say that the credit markets were frozen up in anticipation that the “Plan” will be passed. – Congressman Peter DeFazio (D-OR)
It’s going to take hard-bodied leadership to convince Congress that outright purchase of the bad assets will help neither banking nor the credit markets. DeFazio is working with a couple others, including Shaddegg (R-AZ), to prepare an alternative approach that doesn’t include purchasing the debt.
Now it’s down to “failure to act”.
It’s far from over.
2008 The Year that Was
Summary: The warnings continue from our foreign creditors, as they see the deeper significance of America’s financial crisis. The post-WWII geopolitical regime is ending, and they are thinking about the future. Through one of those peculiar episodes of blindness that shapes history, the more warnings America receives — the more indifferent we become to them. China in particular has given a stream of warnings over the past few years. The first were by obscure academics, very low key in nature. Slowly they have grown more explicit, but we remain oblivious.
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The US will lose its role as a global financial “superpower” in the wake of the financial crisis, Peer Steinbrück, the German finance minister, said on Thursday, blaming Washington for failing to take the regulatory steps that might have averted the crisis. “The US will lose its status as the superpower of the world financial system. This world will become multipolar” with the emergence of stronger, better capitalised centres in Asia and Europe, Mr Steinbrück told the German parliament. “The world will never be the same again.”
Interesting tension developing between the floor traders (now!) and Congress (in a minute!).
“Another Take”
Paulson and Bernanke have taken actions that would have been effective if applied 2 or 3 quarters earlier. Borrowing a metaphor from emergency medicine, they have squandered the “golden hour“, since the crisis started with the collapse of the mortgage brokers in December 2006.
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Of course we will not take such actions in a timely fashion. Our leaders’ happy talk was intended to maintain spending and investment during a brief slowdown. The unintended consequence is that the American people are psychologically unprepared for this crisis.
Worse, our Observation-Orientation-Decision-Action loop is broken. Despite years of warnings (see this list) we have not seen the danger ahead. Now that it is upon us, our fixed optimism prevents us from orienting ourselves to changed conditions. I doubt that our leaders can either formulate adequate plans or execute them.
A Warranted Buy-in
To the extent that there was any buy-in element in Monday’s plan, it came through a provision that was added at the insistence of the Democrats. The added element involved the possibility that the Secretary, at his discretion, might conceivably be willing to consider using taxpayer money to purchase “warrants” for nonvoting shares in any firm that wants to dump its subprime assets on the Treasury. (Essentially, a warrant is an option to sell a share at some future date at a prespecified price; it’s a bit more complicated than that, but you can think of it as roughly equivalent to the taxpayer getting nonvoting shares in the firm. Details have been described more fully elsewhere).
Adding even the option of buying warrants amounts to a crucial ideological concession by the Secretary, because the taxpayer would be getting an ownership stake in the financial industry (even if that stake is nonvoting); given the near-religious fervor with which some conservatives oppose any government stake in the financial industry, the Secretary displayed a welcome flexibility by agreeing to add the possibility of purchasing warrants to his plan.
But in practice, whether to actually purchase any warrants was left entirely to the judgment of the Secretary. Since the original Paulson plan did not involve warrants, it is pretty clear that the Secretary’s true preference would be to use as little as possible of his $700 billion kitty on acquiring warrants. He might buy none at all.
The near-unanimous opinion of non-Wall-Street economists (liberal, moderate, and conservative) is that a plan that is mostly or entirely buy-in would be much better than the Paulson plan, either in its original 3-page incarnation or in the modified version that was defeated on Monday.
It’s academic at this point. The Floor is saying that commercial credit is busted.
Obama is creepy enough on his own without the implications of this video.
What is downright scary is that the 20 and 30 year olds in my family accept things like this video as normal and inconsequential. Somebody hit it earlier on with his comment that this is first real look at Fascism most have seen in America.
Obama’s Assault on the First Amendment
Andrew C. McCarthy
I’ll be blunt: Sen. Obama and his supporters despise free expression, the bedrock of American self-determinism and hence American democracy. What’s more, like garden-variety despots, they see law not as a means of ensuring liberty but as a tool to intimidate and quell dissent.
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Item: There is a troubling report that the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Section, top officials of which are Obama contributors, has suggested criminal prosecutions against those they anticipate will engage in voter “intimidation” or “oppression” in an election involving a black candidate. (Memo to my former DOJ colleagues: In a system that presumes innocence even after crimes have undeniably been committed, responsible prosecutors don’t assume non-suspects will commit future law violations — especially when doing so necessarily undermines the First Amendment freedoms those prosecutors solemnly swear to uphold.)
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Regardless of the legal landscape, however, it is the political consequences that matter. Day after day, Obama demonstrates that the “change” he represents is a severing of our body politic from the moorings that make us America. If we idly stand by while he and his thugs kill free political debate, we die too.
Hugh Hewitt – Palin Interview – Palin.mp3
Video was made in Venice, CA. Venice is *very* trendy and tres’ expensive place to live. I was looking at the background architecture of the room in which the children were singing. Lots of windows — made me wonder if the home was on the canal, in which case you’re looking at it being worth mega-millions. The sort of place a CEO of a TV network would be able to afford.
Oh, and there was a gang-related shooting in Venice last weekend, in another trendy and tres’ expensive part of that city/suburb. I wonder if the wolves are circling, getting ready to rip the throats out of the Obamatrons. Or if they were black wolves and merely in Venice to lend their support to O’s campaign.
OldSalt – great story. Thx for sharing it.
A final thought on the video:
It was interesting to see the parents in the audience. They seemed to skew older than one might expect for kids of that age. Most of the kids seemed to be in the 8-12 year-old range. Most of the parents seemed to be in their 40s, some in their late 40s or early 50s. There also seemed to be very few siblings in the group – maybe one or two sets – and there were no younger children in the audience, as one might expect if the families involved had multiple kids.
While I freely admit this is speculation, my guess is that most of these kids are from 1-2 child families of parents who started their families late in life. If true, this observation would tend to support the hypothesis that these parents are “indoctrinators,” people who try to raise their children to think and act like themselves – little ideological clones of mommy and daddy. This is a narcissistic approach to child-rearing, but a common one.
If this hypothesis is true, the parents are probably in for future disappointment. Kids tend to become adults, and at some point make up their own mind. If their childhood environment is too one-sided, this maturation triggers rebellion, as the “new adults” feel like they’ve been lied to about the true nature of the world. And converts often become the fiercest critics of their former church.
I wouldn’t expect this video to be replayed at future family reunions. However, it might make it into a rehearsal dinner roast, and be the comedic highlight of the evening…
L3
PBS anchor Gwen Ifill,should be pulled off the job of moderating the VP debate since she just penned a very pro wannabe Glorious Leader book due out soon. There is no way she will be objective.
Put Jim back in the saddle and make Awful ride the pine.
Debate, Tanked
My dictionary defines “moderator” as “the nonpartisan presiding officer of a town meeting.” On Thursday, PBS anchor Gwen Ifill will serve as moderator for the first and only vice presidential debate. The stakes are high. The Commission on Presidential Debates, with the assent of the two campaigns, decided not to impose any guidelines on her duties or questions.
But there is nothing “moderate” about where Ifill stands on Barack Obama. She’s so far in the tank for the Democratic presidential candidate, her oxygen delivery line is running out.
– Malkin
Children of the Corn
– King
Wow, a Sunday School pageant to the Obamessiah. Ah, the childhood memories of being made to memorize cute little songs with cute little choreography, for the glory of Jesus and the delight of our relatives in the pews… Gah, what a comparison! This campaign year has really gone into hyperbole mode. It’s scary to see the extent to which the Democrats are endorsing Big Man politics this season. Behold the man on the white horse! He will lead us to a new future of prosperity!
(Cue the piece from Cabaret….)
- the hitler youth movement is what came to my mind
Thoughts on Leadership
The vacuum of leadership can’t be filled by warnings that everything will get worse unless you say “aye” and open your wallets again.
Our leaders have cried wolf too often. Even when the wolf is really there, as it is now, nobody believes or trusts them.
The very word leader is an oxymoron these days. You can’t be a leader if nobody follows, and that’s where Bush and congressional leaders, Democrats and Republicans alike, stand. Alone against the wrath of history.
I call it the Joe Sixpack Syndrome. He wasn’t the one drinking the kool-aid.
I never liked Gwen Ifill. Never warmed to her interview style. But same for Margaret Warner. (Susan Dentzer is consistently great. Richard (we’re doomed) Rodriguez is always eloquent and occasionally interesting – Noonan in pants.)
Ref Elephant Bar
The selection of Ifill is a naked short of Palin.
That’s flip but the transgressions are adding up.
I notice there are fewer posters jumping in with a “don’t worry – this too shall pass” message.
The financial breaks will be fixed – I hope (tenacity in the absence of a microphone yet to be determined) – everything I read suggests good uniformity of economic opinion. The breach of trust with government leaders won’t be as easy. Here the private experience scales perfectly with the public. I would venture to say we’ve all been there.
Doug quoted:
“On Thursday, PBS anchor Gwen Ifill will serve as moderator for the first and only vice presidential debate… But there is nothing “moderate” about where Ifill stands on Barack Obama.”
Why is McCain permitting this? Surely there is someone out there who could moderate this thing and not be under the Messiah’s hypnotic spell?
Different topic:
Obviously, the stock market has become wildly unstable. I’m concerned that what we are observing is massive (unsuccessful) Federal Reserve intervention, i.e. the stock market should be in free fall but gets pumped up at intervals through huge capital injections of public funds by the Federal Reserve. Is it legal for the Federal Reserve to be manipulating the stock market like this?
It was recently revealed that Gwen Ifill has an Obama-book deal pending. But replacing her in the debate might not be a wise move. At least Ifill is exposed as a Barack backer, so it might leave an excuse if Palin gets knocked around.
Way off topic.
Could the verdict in the OJ trial have an impact on this election?
This is the age of miracle and wonder: the campaign has devolved to personality, balanced precariously on the knife’s edge. The Butterfly Effect could very well be decisive ..
Is it legal for the Federal Reserve to be manipulating the stock market like this? – Eggplant
Yes it is and we have a “bailout” redux moment with use of the word “manipulation”. I disagree that stocks should be in free fall – not based on valuation. All stocks being hammered by illiquidity and the need to repair big banks where bad loans are consolidated (which means let some of them fail but that requires valuing the weird CDO assets.) The so-called Bailout Plan addresses the latter, which will impact the former if and when the big banks get deleveraged which will reopen the commercial credit lines. In the meantime capitalization is an ongoing problem.
Again, my take (except I don’t get a cut ::)). The floor traders love it. And I’ve heard a number of economists say that the FDIC is the only regulatory agency worth anything and Sheila Barr is well respected.
More chickens coming home to roost from the wikipedia entry for News-Hour with Jim Lehrer:
Critics have accused The Newshour, along with mainstream American media, of being “stenographers to power” with a pro-establishment bias. In October 2006, a study by the left-oriented media analysis group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) accused The NewsHour of lacking balance, diversity, and viewpoints of the general public, in favor of Republican and corporate viewpoints. FAIR studied NewsHour’s guest list for the 6 months October 2005 to March 2006. Republicans outnumbered Democrats 2:1 (66% to 33%). People of color made up only 15% of US sources. Alberto Gonzales accounted for 30% of Latino sources, while Condoleezza Rice accounted for 13% of African-American sources. Hurricane Katrina victims were 46% of all African-American sources. On Iraq, “stay the course” sources outnumbered pro-withdrawal sources 5:1 (this ratio continued even after polls favored a withdrawal from Iraq). Not a single peace activist appeared. Public interest groups were 4% of sources. Current and former government and military officials were 50% of sources.[1]
PBS Ombudsman Michael Getler agreed with FAIR’s report. These are “perilous times,” wrote Getler in his Ombudsman column. “As a viewer and journalist, I find the program occasionally frustrating; sometimes too polite, too balanced when issues are not really balanced, and too many political and emotion-laden statements pass without factual challenges from the interviewer.”
“It is here that we discover the essential difference between the politics of the eternity-philosophers and the politics of time-philosophers.
………
imho the great confusion of the 1st millinium bc was the reconciliation of time & eternity as represented by failed attempts in half man half beasts like the minataur, the centaur fauns etc.
The great resolution of this confusion was Jesus who in himself reconciled time and eternity.
That’s FDIC Chairman Sheila Baer.
Does a good interview.
(Its helpful to understand that Ezekiel was slated to be a priest of the first temple at age 32 when he was taken captive and sent to babylon in 589.)
Ezekiel 1
1Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
2In the fifth day of the month, which was the fifth year of king Jehoiachin’s captivity,
3The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him.
4And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
5Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
6And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
7And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf’s foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.
8And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.
9Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.
10As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.
you can get the rest of the chapter here.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%201&version=9;
It seems to me that authoritarian governments are each unique but share common traits. Looking for Marxist or Fascist structures and then extrapolating from there that the coming state will be a replay of the Soviet Union or National Socialist Germany is a little silly. The coming state will be its own entity built on its own historical foundations and make use of of existing structures to perpetuate itself.
An authoritarian American state would have the appearance of the state we live in today. It would consist of an enormous, intrusive central government divided into fiefdoms overseen by high officials in the ruling party. Government regulation would be pervasive and stifling. Taxation would have to be high to keep the bureaucracy going. Policing organizations – both open and secret – would monitor and enfore compliance with government policy. Media would be controlled either by direct government intervention or by government fiat backed up by coercion. Control would be by the “rule of law”.
We aren’t far from this. All it would take to put the last pieces in place are laws regulating political discourse aimed at stifling speech and print that opposes the dominant party line. From there it becomes rather easy to implement the policies that will effectively put everything of any importance under government supervision. There won’t be much protest from the media about this – what protest there will be will come from the fringe media and will be troublesome for a time but will subside and the dominant media will applaud the results. One or two election cycles will serve to remove or completely marginalize any real opposition. The government will continue to have three branches but they will rule by “consensus” and opposition will be pro forma only to satisfy the people that “all is as it should be”. There will even be “heated” debate allowed but only about methods – never about ultimate aims – and there will always be resolution in favor of expanded government.
This would happen because the people will not care. Give them all the entertainment and trinkets they want and the majority will do nothing more than grouse a bit. Keep the real power in the hands of the dominant few. Reward the party faithful and stifle dissent.
All that has to happen is for trends started early in the 20th century to continue to their logical conclusion. Power is concentrating in the hands of a ruling autocracy that is self perpetuating. Sometimes new faces show up but only after proving they are part of the ruling class by demonstrating their devotion to the system. Reform of the political process will ensure that real opposition will have no real chance of winning office and regulation of the media will ensure that what is heard will not discomfit the ruling party.
Might it not happen? Sure. But it will take a real revolution to stop it. This doesn’t necessarily mean a violent revolution but whatever form it takes it would have to be powerful enough to unseat entrenched interests that or both determined and ruthless. The “consensus” government won’t go down easily.
They are laying ground now for THE ONE presidency.
1. ACORN signing up dead people for election.
2. Starts of voting in Ohio, vote more and vote often.
3. Truth Squad; with help from police enforcement
4. Singing children praising the CHOSEN ONE
5. A bust and portrait of his Excellency.
6. And lastly, the ever obedient media propaganda machine (soon to be subsidized entity by taxpayer money because lack of revenues)
The only thing missing are re-education camp for Wretchard readers and gulag for right-wingers.
Patriot Front said:
“It was recently revealed that Gwen Ifill has an Obama-book deal pending… At least Ifill is exposed as a Barack backer, so it might leave an excuse if Palin gets knocked around.”
The polling margins are too tight. Palin is McCain’s “secret weapon”. Palin must perform well this Thursday or McCain is in trouble. Allowing a Messiah shill to be the moderator was a serious error.
Fortunately, there is a “ray of sunshine” concerning the Presidential polls, refer to:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110881/Gallup-Daily-Obama-48-McCain-44.aspx
The Messiah is trending downwards and McCain upwards. Perhaps people are getting pissed-off at the Brownshirt tactics used by the Messiah’s moonbat legions.
Interesting that a gathering of children happened, by great fortune, to include so many music, cinema and media professionals. For instance, try searching on the name of the Steadicam operator.
the way this ties into the discussion here–is that in the ancient world all the leaders were “dear leaders”. The word tyrant is actually a word with greek roots. the leaders of athens from the 500′s -800 were called tyrants. (sometime in the 800′s the greeks emerged from the mycenian dark ages 1100-800 bc–the time after the fall of troy).
Because they were all tyrants, they all had their singing youth. singing about their perfect souls and the perfect souls of their perfect leaders–that would last for eternity.
Typically ruling families were lucky if they could get three generations of rule before they collapsed from within or were crushed from without.
This constant pattern of dreaming up inside the genes and generations of the dear ruler only to see it come to nothing. ie dear ruler will rule forever and he will be gracious and wise and just for as long as the grass grows and the river flows and the stars twinkle and the sun shines. Only the ruling house would collapse from internal dissent and or a neighboring kingdom would slaughter all the men and rape all the women and haul the rest off into slavery.
And yet when everything came to nothing–there was the grass still growing, the rivers still flowing, the sun still shining, the stars still twinkling in the night.
This begs the question: what is eternal. what is passing. Everyone could see that the world contained elements of both.
This is the genesis of the discussion as to what is meant by the politics of the eternity-philosophers and the politics of time-philosophers– of the first millenium BC.
This is the question that Jesus resolved in himself. This is why this era is called either AD if you’re christian or CE if you are not.
Here’s a well-stated comment on Obama from American Thinker:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/the_unspoken_campaign_message.html
America’s outlook with Obama as POTUS and CINC with democrats controlling congress: (Not just a worse-case but a likely scenario.)
Part 1: The White House: as POTUS, Obama will appoint a collection of anti-American, anti-Semite advisors and cabinet members to oversee foreign policy; (all selected by George Soros and his henchmen based on the principals of Jimmy Carter’s presidency). Air Force-one will be Bill Ayers private transport, until he flies it into the Pentagon. Rev Wright will be the White House Chaplin. The White House staff and advisors will be a gathering of anti-American, anti-Christian numb-skulls indorsed by move-on and code pink. The White House will be overrun with BHOs corrupt Chicago cronies. (I can only imagine Michele Obama as first lady and primary WH advisor on Wright-Alinsky ideology). The Lincoln Bedroom will be filled with adoring Hollywood nit-wits. The oval office will be home to a cabal for the demise of traditional America values, (you know, those racist, gun-toting, religious clingers have got to be neutralized).
Part 2: The Military: As CINC, Obama’s first priority will be to marginalize the US Armed Forces. His handlers will redefine the military by insidious appointments; from the SecDef thru the Joint Chiefs, to the area commanders (good-by Petraeus). Senior military Officer and enlisted will retire, mid-grade officers and NCOs (the leadership backbone) will quit, and the junior officer and enlisted will be left floundering and leaderless. US super power status will be degraded to a poker bluff with the military no longer useful as a diplomatic trump card. The US navy will be brought home and mostly scrapped save money. We will be unable to project power any farther than a few miles off-shore and then only to facilitate drug and human trafficking. We will unilaterally disarm, including nuclear weapons and all future weapons systems. (He has already said he would do this). Our remaining deployed military forces will be converted to peace keepers under UN mandate and leadership or brought home and dismissed to join the “civilian national security force”. The remnants of the beleaguered US armed forces will be a blue helmet force under UN control. The once proud United States Military will be replaced with a “civilian peace corps”; Obama quote ;(”We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”) Obama will only need to control dissent within our own borders; the UN will ostensibly “protect” us and the world from foreign interference.
Part 3: Foreign Policy: US foreign policy (and sovereignty) will be eventually subordinate to the UN.) Obama will appease every foreign tyrant so they will “like him”. Islamic countries will rejoice at having an ally in the most powerful position in the world; the success of their jihad will be assured. All our intelligence resources will be turned inward and used to control Americans. The CIA and FBI will be Obama’s private police force along with his civilian national security force (to control any pending domestic rebellion). All our current allies will be betrayed, we will acquire a new set of allies: (Vladimir, A-Jad, Hugo, Raul, whoever the hell runs Kenya and you could fill in the other names yourself). Massive give-a-ways will go to his native Kenya (to whoever the hell runs the place) and other failed African countries because he can. (This is already in the planning stage). Iran will have the bomb (with our blessing), Israel will be fighting alone for its very existence against Iran, its puppet states and its own subversive leftists; Lebanon will be lost to Hezbollah; Palestinians will rejoice; Russia will have free reign in its area and all the old USSR’s former satellite countries will be reabsorbed. Al Qaida will dominate the Middle East including Iraq, Saudi Arabia and all the other Gulf States. A nuclear Pakistan will be lost, along with Afghanistan to the Taliban. Europe will be hostage to Islamic fundamentalists and no longer a useful ally to the US. Venezuela will dominate South America with Chinese; Iranian and Russia’s help… our crippling dependence on foreign energy will be exploited by our enemies. China will be struggling for super-power status to replace us: (with their nanoweapons technology they may already be in a position to dominate everyone), India will be a failed democracy with nukes. The US, with a European style do-nothing military, will be ineffective for not only our security but the security of the world. The corrupt UN will gain near absolute world power; the American and European leftist will rejoice; (at least until their wake-up call). Our enemies around the world will be emboldened and our old allies will be demoralized; (mostly our eastern European friends). The UN will project a world order that will favor tyrants over democracies; third world countries will be able to bleed industrial countries dry (with Obama’s help). America will not have the political will to resist any foreign country, consortium of countries or amorphorus groups with the aim of absorbing us through unchecked immigration, Islamization or more likely both. It’s actually already happening; Obama will just facilitate it. (Europe has proven that all-out armed conflict isn’t necessary for total conquest with the help of “useful idiots”.)
Part 4: Domestic: Alinsky’s rules for radicals will replace the constitution, socialism will replace capitalism. (Obama has already stated that his model for the social order is his Kenyon father’s idea of the ’60s.) We can expect him to follow the failed model of every African country… Every federal appointment, especially the courts, will be populated by leftist, socialist appointees. Anti-American theology will be the guiding religious theme of the White House and the country. Individual rights and free speech will be what the ACLU decides it will be. Our National Borders will vanish and the indigent from all countries, along with their contraband will flood into the US until the country is bankrupt. Our entire social fabric will be altered… Judeo-Christian values will be unacceptable. Even a slightly altered supreme court will rewrite the constitution, including the first and second amendment. Gun ownership will be a criminal offense; free speech will turn even more politically correct (critical speech of our “rulers” will be punished.) Obama already owns 90 percent of the media and will be shooting for 100 percent. The so-call “fairness doctrine” will finish off radio and the internet. Government will own all vital industry; (this will make for inefficiencies, cost overrun and endless bailouts and subsidies). Three quarters of the population will work for, or be beholden to the government and half the country will live on government welfare (enough to lock in the democrat vote for endless re-elections); all accomplished with the unfaltering cover of a scurrilous, compliant media. Socialism will seep down to state and local levels by the demographic shift brought on by unchecked immigration and welfare. English will be a second language. The teachers Union will absorb a massive share of GDP with very little trickling down to actual useful education of students. Schools will be government propaganda factories (even more than now). The military budget (especially R&D) will be slashed to near nothing to help finance liberal social programs and bribe corrupt politicians. Labor unions will dictate to company management and along with confiscatory taxes, drive them off-shore. The few people still in private enterprise will pay the bulk of the taxes, under onerous government oversight; the few companies that do survive will be besieged by greedy trial lawyers that will increase their cost of doing business to eventual bankruptcy. With America’s financial debacle, most of America’s capitalization will be, by necessity, from foreign sources… America’s natural recourses will be nationalized and raped to bolster the engine of socialism; (see Hugo Chavez, Obama’s role model). With socialists in charge, our hydrocarbon wealth and all other energy sources will be exploited without regard to environmental damage, global warming or any other hoax:(with socialism you don’t need any phony ways to control the masses.) The Southwest US has shown us the effect of uncontrolled immigration on our culture, language and politics. We have plenty of “useful idiots” right here in our congress, universities, ACLU, state and local political offices and endless special interest groups. In fact it would be hard to find a “useful patriot” in any of these offices. Obama will be able to control election outcomes, like his idol Hugo Chavez, to insure a second term and maybe even more: (president for life?). Virtually everyone that supported Obama these last few years will be “thrown under the bus”, their usefulness over. The Soros world-view is pretty much like described above and he and his cabal will be calling the shots. Obama is simply a figure-head, empty suit who will carry out the orders of his masters to the letter.
Part 5: The End Game: Disabuse yourself of the “hope” that after things get so screwed up “we” can kick the bums out! There will be no “we”, at least with voting power. Obama’s puppet masters will flood the electorate with shadow voters and organize local, state and national Chicago style “Acorn” groups to insure only the votes they want counted will be, as many times as necessary; the democrats in congress will find some way to finance this corrupt organization and liberal judges will rubber stamp the whole blatant fraud. Within the first two years of the anointed ones presidency, conservatism will be a pariah and Judeo-Christian culture will be on the run. True Conservatism will be forced into “fight or flight” mode. Conservatives, by definition, love America, and I’m pretty sure the crew of the Titanic loved their ship too, but what are the other options when you hit an iceberg named Obama.
Over the last ten years or so, since I started gravitating away from the Democratic Party, and my prior phase was moving away from Marxism, starting in 1987, I have observed some things about the Left in the United States.
It has been gradually gaining power. It is now a more powerful force than its opposition. It controls all the avenues by which the narrative of this nation’s drama is filtered, past, present, and future.
I listen to these people in real life and not just on the blogs. It’s frightening. They are lustful for power and they want to reshape our lives according to their templates. The moment has arrived which they have worked hard for decades to see happen.
The rest of us are NOT going to take their totalitarian measures and instincts laying down.
The nation, tragically but necessarily, is heading for civil war. And I am confident that we will win that war. I have a hard time believing that most of the military and law enforcement would not be on our side. I predict that the Left will try to assemble, by using monetary incentives, praetorian units for its side. But they won’t even get a large minority of the military for this. I believe most of the officer corps and nco’s will see through it.
Even as I type these words, the reports I am hearing are that guns of all kinds are flying off the shelves and ammunition sales are booming.
I have no way of predicting how far in the future this will happen, but I am convinced it will happen. And when it does the Marxists will get their clocks cleaned and worse. And am I in favor of the Roman practice of proscription? It may be necessary to implement that, given the danger to the nation those people are. The gallows await them.
Storm-rider, I find a lot of what you posted plausible. But it presumes one very big thing — a complacent populace.
The military is composed largely of patriotic men and women. And the country has many similarly patriotic men and women who own and know how to use guns. Most police are simlarly patriotically inclined.
The Left has very few guns of its own. What, the street gangs? You want to put a bunch of Crips and Mexican gangsters up against a troop of Marines, I know what side I’m betting on.
Ultimately, the Left can only push so far before the armed patriots rebel. If the military joins with the police joins with armed, patriotic Americans, the Left will go down in a bloodbath.
Hopefully it doesn’t come to that, but if that’s what it takes to sweep out the stables, then so be it. I learned how to shoot a rifle when I was eight years old. How many ACLU lawyers and Yale faculty and Dept of State lifers and Hollywood producers can say the same? (Perhaps they will send out their singing children with bombs strapped on.)
The deeper problem is that an American civil war will invite outside forces to intercede on the side of the Left. The Russians, the Chinese… they will likely take sides. In that case, it’s damn near Armageddon.
Given a US-only battle of Left vs Right, I’m pretty sure who wins, rather handily in fact. If our internal dog fight brings the world’s wolves down upon us, who knows.
peterike,
I was thinking the same thing today as I was working out on the elliptical machine (I have the week off): our internal civil war might bring in outside forces to prop up a Leftist regime. I know it won’t or can’t be the E.U., since militarily they are toothless. But, would Russia or China intervene in our internal matters? That’s a wild card in this one.
I grew up shooting also. Lifelong NRA member. Hell, after I got out of the Army in 1976, where I had to, despite having a non combat MOS, annually qualify on the M-16A1, I joined the NRA. Even when I was on the Left. Now that was a hoot! Here I was, a Marxist, who was an NRA member. But I still loved my country even though I was a Marxist. I did not know one other person on the Left, through my undergraduate and then seminary years, who could shoot and who owned a gun. Not one also who knew military tactics. I’m sure it’s still the same way today.
My guess is that a Leftist government will try to bribe members of the armed forces to be part of some kind of praetorian unit or division. They won’t get many. And in a civil war, they’ll be butchered to the last man, traitors all of them.
But, yes, it is entirely possible that, in desperation, hostile nations will try to assist the government being deposed. But if we control the military and we control the nukes, they’ll back off.
That is why it would have to be planned very carefully. It has to be done in such a way as to cut off the head immediately and to assert control over the chain of command. A lot of people in D.C. will have to be arrested IMMEDIATELY to prevent them from escaping overseas, where they would possibly negotiate for assistance from hostile forces.
Anybody making a post about revolution a year ago would have been met with derision. It’s not so funny anymore. The serial crisis environment is causing more and more people to look a little harder at Washington and they are not liking what they see.
I hope that the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac scam is independently investigated and written about over the next few years. We can only guess at the amount of money that has been laundered through those outfits to politicos on both sides of the aisle. I would bet that it’s in the tens of billions if you counted the salaries and bonuses that are being paid to former Congressinal staffers and friends. People like Jamie Gorelick come to mind.
I think that scory has it right that the authoritarian veil will drop silently and without much fanfare. Andrew McCarthy’s piece about lawyers at the DOJ looking for dissident scalps is not encouraging. How many stories have we seen about State and CIA employees leaking classified information to the NYT to politically damage an opposition POTUS? What happens to them? Nothing at all.
The political discourse of the Left – at every level from Pelosi and Reid on down is accusatory and threatening. Obama sounds like he gets his talking points from Kos and not the other way around. The Dems don’t attack policy – they attack people. Hasn’t The One talked openly about political trials after his anointment?
I do believe that we have passed or will soon pass with an Obama election the tipping point to authoritarianism – the only question remaining is how deeply it will reach.
We’re past the point of no return. There will be no going back to the Constitutional United States of America without revolution – and by that I mean revolutionary return to the laws (Declaration of Independence and Constitution) of our original American Revolution.
Our second revolution occurred in the 1930′s – the “New Deal.” The New Deal was a Socialist American Revolution – and it has been an un-American disaster. The mess we are in now is a direct result of American Socialism – elite leadership without the informed consent of the governed. Unjust government power now resides in Washington, D.C.; and, make no mistake, tyrannical power is on the way – since American Marxist/Leftists are preparing laws to revoke freedom of speech in the guise of “hate speech” laws and “fairness doctrines;” and now Barak Obama wants to shut down radio and TV stations which broadcast messages with which he disagrees.
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/135118.html
“There are those who still think they are holding the pass against a revolution that may be coming up the road. But they are gazing in the wrong direction. The revolution is behind them. It went by in the Night of Depression, singing songs to freedom. So it was that a revolution took place within the form. Like the hagfish, the New Deal entered the old form and devoured its meaning from within. The revolutionaries were inside; the defenders were outside. A government that had been supported by the people and so controlled by the people became one that supported the people and so controlled them….. In the welfare state the government undertakes to see to it that the individual shall be housed and clothed and fed according to a statistical social standard, and that he shall be properly employed and entertained, and in consideration for this security the individual accepts in place of entire freedom a status and a number and submits his life to be minded and directed by an all-responsible government.” Garet Garett
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/garrett1.html
We’re need a third American Revolution to restore the first. This could happen through grassroots revolt, which would might be violent; and might (widespread revolt) or might not (piecemeal revolt) be successful.
I believe the best chance for a third American Revolution is for a majority of Governors (with support of their State Legislatures) to revolt against the un-Constitutional power of the Federal Government, and that would take in the people under the umbrella of those states. Individuals acting alone can’t bring about our third American Revolution. The States must take what is rightfully theirs and the peoples, and that is the government power given them and us under the ninth and tenth amendments. After this first step other dominoes would fall into place. We could then amend our Constitution with term limits for Congress and Supreme Court Justices, and the amendment must also provide Congress with authority to override Supreme Court decisions which in effect hold law-creating power as well as veto power over Congressional legislation. Congress can override a Presidential veto, and Congress must also be able to do this with the Supreme Court. This Constitutional amendment will help return power to the people themselves – rightful owners of political power in the United States.
After our third American Revolution the people of the United States can rule themselves as the founders intended and initially instituted.
“The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.” Thomas Jefferson
“The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.” Thomas Jefferson
“Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure.” Thomas Jefferson
“The accounts of the United States ought to be, and may be made, as simple as those of a common farmer, and capable of being understood by common farmers.” Thomas Jefferson
“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.” Thomas Jefferson
“The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.” Thomas Jefferson
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” Thomas Jefferson
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” Thomas Jefferson
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.” Thomas Jefferson
“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” George Washington
“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.” Abraham Lincoln
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Peter Boston,
Political trails will most certainly be a heavy tipping point. If they try President Bush and any of his cabinet, we may well be closer to civil war than Obama and the thugs realize. What they seem oblivious to is the fact that their recklessness and power lust will land them at the end of a rope on the gallows.
100 years ago the sun never set on the Union Jack. Today Muslim enclaves live off the public dole separate from and hostile to British society. Sharia courts have been officially sanctioned by the government placing these enclaves beyond even the rule of law. Muslims in Englans breed like rabbits – and purposely so.
Have we seen a single Englishmen rise in protest? It won’t be too many years before even the word Englishman passes from the lexicon.
We’re past the point of no return. There will be no going back to the Constitutional United States of America without revolution – and by that I mean revolutionary return to the laws (Declaration of Independence and Constitution) of our original American Revolution.
Our second revolution occurred in the 1930’s – the “New Deal.” The New Deal was a Socialist American Revolution – and it has been an un-American disaster. The mess we are in now is a direct result of American Socialism – elite leadership without the informed consent of the governed. Unjust government power now resides in Washington, D.C.; and, make no mistake, tyrannical power is on the way – since American Marxist/Leftists are preparing laws to revoke freedom of speech in the guise of “hate speech” laws and “fairness doctrines;” and now Barak Obama wants to shut down radio and TV stations which broadcast messages with which he disagrees.
newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/135118.html
“There are those who still think they are holding the pass against a revolution that may be coming up the road. But they are gazing in the wrong direction. The revolution is behind them. It went by in the Night of Depression, singing songs to freedom. So it was that a revolution took place within the form. Like the hagfish, the New Deal entered the old form and devoured its meaning from within. The revolutionaries were inside; the defenders were outside. A government that had been supported by the people and so controlled by the people became one that supported the people and so controlled them….. In the welfare state the government undertakes to see to it that the individual shall be housed and clothed and fed according to a statistical social standard, and that he shall be properly employed and entertained, and in consideration for this security the individual accepts in place of entire freedom a status and a number and submits his life to be minded and directed by an all-responsible government.” Garet Garett
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/garrett1.html
We’re need a third American Revolution to restore the first. This could happen through grassroots revolt, which would might be violent; and might (widespread revolt) or might not (piecemeal revolt) be successful.
I believe the best chance for a third American Revolution is for a majority of Governors (with support of their State Legislatures) to revolt against the un-Constitutional power of the Federal Government, and that would take in the people under the umbrella of those states. Individuals acting alone can’t bring about our third American Revolution. The States must take what is rightfully theirs and the peoples, and that is the government power given them and us under the ninth and tenth amendments. After this first step other dominoes would fall into place. We could then amend our Constitution with term limits for Congress and Supreme Court Justices, and the amendment must also provide Congress with authority to override Supreme Court decisions which in effect hold law-creating power as well as veto power over Congressional legislation. Congress can override a Presidential veto, and Congress must also be able to do this with the Supreme Court. This Constitutional amendment will help return power to the people themselves – rightful owners of political power in the United States.
After our third American Revolution the people of the United States can rule themselves as the founders intended and initially instituted.
“The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.” Thomas Jefferson
“The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.” Thomas Jefferson
“Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure.” Thomas Jefferson
“The accounts of the United States ought to be, and may be made, as simple as those of a common farmer, and capable of being understood by common farmers.” Thomas Jefferson
“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.” Thomas Jefferson
“The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.” Thomas Jefferson
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” Thomas Jefferson
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” Thomas Jefferson
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.” Thomas Jefferson
“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” George Washington
“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.” Abraham Lincoln
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
fred
I think that McCain and Palin are principled but on the national scene but the line beyond them doesn’t stretch very far. I don’t know how high Obama will try to reach but the only people in Washington who would put up any resistance would be doing it to protect their own skins. The rest of us can eat cake because the justice system will do their master’s business without protest.
I wouldn’t bet on much help from the Armed Forces or law enforcement in any anti-Obama uprising. Roughly about 1/3 of the military despised Rumsfeld, are sick of Bush and will welcome their new Democrat overlords. Plenty of Clintonistas wear stars now. The other 2/3 will either get out or suck it up and obey.
Most cops will do what they’re told. Some, a minority, will sympathize and do what they can, so long as it doesn’t cost them their livelihoods. It will not be hard for the MSM to paint the insurgents as the bad guys. Everybody who voted for Obama, and about half of those who didn’t, will oppose the insurgency.
A lot of people talking trash about guerrilla warfare aren’t going to be up to slitting throats when the time comes.
Well, gee, Fred, whose side do you think Mexico and its military would be on in a civil war in the U.S.? Not to mention Canada. But like it’s been said elsewhere, Texas could take care of Mexico all by itself, and I’m pretty sure Bill Gates and Microsoft in Washington state aren’t going to give up to Canada without a fight, either.
In the last election Bush was declared the winner. By whatever means. The Left has refused to accept that and has done everything in their power to make his administration a failure, up to and including aiding and abetting America’s enemies.
What do you suppose the Left will do if the Right refuses to accept Obama as President, should he win? Get out their pitchforks and torches and – once again – try to bully their way into a position of superiority? Surely they must understand how really weak they are as a physical force …
I agree that a civil war looks increasingly likely but I’m trying to figure out what straw it would take to break that camel’s back, and make brother go out into the streets to fight brother.
I left this comment on another site re this video:
Spirit calls up spirit and their chorus of demons sings across the centuries.
NahnCee,
Most of the Left are cowards who wretch at the sight of guns and would not fight at all.
And I don’t agree with Cannoneer No. 4. I don’t think most of the military would support a government that shreds the Constitution and makes moves that really pound the fist on us. Although I agree that maybe 1/3 of them would defend Obama. As for the rest who have a steaming hatred of Donald Rumsfeld, that’s old news and he’s been gone awhile. Rumsfeld has got nothing to do with it all. Most of the military hates the Left. Obama might try to bribe them into being some sort of praetorian unit, but again I think most would resist.
If we won’t defend our liberties, our country, and our civilization, then I guess we deserve what we get.
OT: This is a piece of news we have not seen before.
Pakistani tribesmen kill 13 Taliban militants: officials
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jKRPhbFJo9a5uPjQDUC4NccAAgbw
Jeff Macke, Big Dog Trader on CNBC’s Fast Money on the only two possible positions in this market:
“Cash and Fetal”
Fred & Other Great Grand Glorious Heros of the Proto-R3volution:
Wouldn’t it be easier to check unwelcome executive power with the other two branches of government? Are there no stalwarts in Congress who’d stare down the worst “A President Obama would” scenario? If there are none now, will there be none for the 2010 political consensus? If violence is the only political instrument we’ve left, the Republic is lost, its truths now mired in various romantic memories.
I don’t want a part in anyone’s political revolution. If I see you or your ilk fomenting one, I’ll call the cops, and that’s a promise. I’ve little faith that the revolutionary’s playful exercise of violence would end well for me or those I love.
Most of the military does not hate The Left. A few hate The Right. A lot more have no use for either side. Many believe their professionalism demands that they despise both sides equally.
If Obama wins, and is sworn in, and the Supreme Court recognizes the validity of the election, those troops who cannot stomach serving the new C-in-C will retire, ETS, early out, or keep their heads down until they can bail. The self-purged remnant will carry on, and if they are told to fire on American citizens, they will follow the ROE, safe in the knowledge that no insurgent stringers for the AP will be able to plant atrocity stories in Time Magazine.
Mr. Boston; i am British as might be obvious from my nom de plume. I see in our newspapers increasing numbers of what are still called “hate crimes” directed at Muslims, or those thought to be so because of their skin colour and facial features. There will be yet more; I estimate that within five years the mosque-burnings will start in earnest – and I will be cheering on the burners.
It is notable that the number of such attacks on African-descended blacks is decreasing; the man on the street in Britain is beginning to realise who the enemy is.
The only problem I see with this is that people who are entirely innocent of Islam’s crimes but who happen to look similar (Hindus and Sikhs, for example) will get caught in the crossfire. I rather like Indians, who are just about all Hindu; I hate Pakistanis with a passion. Also Arabs, but there aren’t many of those here. I really don’t care about blacks one way or the other in general, and I don’t think I’m the only one who shares these views.
The British bulldog hasn’t been put to sleep quite yet.
Biggie,
Once freedom of speech – first amendment – is gone; and once freedom to defend life – second amendment – is gone, the American Revolution and the American Republic is gone. We’re getting close.
Once our American Revolution and Republic are gone, tyranny will follow – you can call it Marxist or Fascist – it won’t matter what you call it.
“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” George Washington
“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.” George Washington
“When one makes a Revolution, one cannot mark time; one must always go forward – or go back. He who now talks about the “freedom of the press” goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism.” Vladimir Lenin
“The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.” Vladimir Lenin
“We don’t let them have ideas. Why would we let them have guns?” Joseph Stalin
“Death is the solution to all problems. No man – no problem.” Joseph Stalin
Abnaa al-Amriki
Guys, calm down. I have friends on the left who are better shots than I am (not too difficult, actually). They have been in the military. They didn’t like it particularly, but they served and went on with their lives. They retain their knowledge of infantry tactics and are great at board games that involve strategy and tactics. Some of them are black belts in various martial arts. They are anti-war, but don’t like being pushed around. Some are good hunters, farmers, etc. I think you get my drift. I do not mean this in a derogatory sense, but you do not sound like someone who has been in a shooting war, laying on the ground and cursing the manufacturer of your fatigues for making the buttons so d**n thick. It is not like the movies, even the bad ones. Good guys (and gals) die, or worse are wounded and never are the same ever again. A civil war is worse.
I do not always agree with Cannoneer No. 4, but his 2:34 comment is spot on. The Army belongs to the duly elected government. They have taken an oath, and take that oath seriously. They may leave if they do not agree with the current administration, but while in the military, they will do their duty to uphold the government.
Get out more. Get involved in local politics. Help the party that you believe in build a grass roots organization. Weed out the corrupt elected officials. Work with Boy Scouts, Churches, spread the message. Use that fiery radical rhetoric to become a community example (notice I didn’t say organizer). Fight for the right, but use the ballot, not bullets.
All is not lost. The fat lady has not sung. And even if we lose this one, there will be others, perhaps with better results.
Do not despair. Fight the darkness, push it back. Let in the light.
Changing those amendments would take a political consensus of some size. Where is the consensus to change either amendment? I believe in the rule of law. I’ve nothing to gain from throwing in with lawbreakers with notions of grandeur.
It may be true that the various groups under the political umbrellas of Buchanan and Ron Paul may come to embody a new political consensus, but before its ever viable let alone popular, it is imperative that the radicals be purged and moved to the fringes or the jails.
That same imperative applies to ascendant Muslims in the West. Either you work within the rule of law or what? You watch and wait?
HERE’S A MUST-SEE VIDEO RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE MADNESS:
Obama Youth
I’ve been having this evil thought:
Is there a way to get the Nazi song “Tomorrow Belongs to Me” in wide circulation? I mean without the video clip. Better yet, it would be great to somehow dupe a chorus wanting to honor Obama to sing and record the song (with video), without knowing its source.
It’s not that far-fetched an idea when you consider the appalling historical ignorance of so many of the younger followers of Obama. If someone could present them the raw lyrics and melody without attribution, I wouldn’t be surprised if it went viral before the Obama campaign and older lefties caught on.
That would be areal hoot.
Barring that, conservative radio could start playing it, so it catches on, AND somebody can do a faux-Obama paean with kids in Obama shirts, with an obama banner in the background singing “tomorrow” with great gusto. You know, it is a much better song than any of the insipid nonsense the Obama-kissers have ever come up with.
What next? The Turner Diaries?
Jeez.
None of this is plausible and none of it is useful.
Back when I was a socialist, the great topic was false consciousness. Why was the American worker so uninterested in the glorious revolution? Sure, the eager young activist could score an occasional point with class warfare rhetoric. Who doesn’t love to dump on the rich? There’s even been a bit of backwash from the left to the right – we love to hate limousine liberals. George Soros makes a perfect pinata.
But …
The revolutionary condition is almost like a divine miracle – it is nearly impossible to engineer and only occurs when social, political and economic conditions are exactly right. Human beings have a remarkable ability to muddle through almost any set of conditions. The very worst case scenario of an Obama presidency – what, an attempted European style social democracy? – would no more place the American public in a revolutionary condition than it does the Europeans right now. Talk of fascism is silly and childish.
Political violence is a profound thing. Once the Pandora’s box is opened, it is nearly impossible to recall the dogs of war. Once the ancien regime is overthrown anarchy ensues: whether red or white terror, freebooters or freikorps – the condotierri take the stage and it is the innocent that suffer.
To rant and rave about revolution when you think that your candidate might lose is beyond merely stupid. It is evil, akin to worshipping Satan and calling upon demons.
How many of you beating your chests here have expended even a single calorie on political work? How many have supported your candidate financially or with your time? How many have stood for office?
This presidential campaign has me nearly distraught. I am indeed frightened at what an Obama victory with an enhanced congressional majority might mean. But, what I’m reading here are not solutions, but more symptoms of a deep dysfunction. You are merely another centripedal force contributing to America’s fall.
The police only fill out the after action reports and put up yellow tape, write parking tickets.
The military, the young ones, are right out of brainwashing and have no substantial reading or understanding of how this country was formed. In fact most citizens believe we have a democracy.
I have mentioned several times the chances of another revolution occurring. Most has been met with derision while history shows otherwise and prudent people know that modern countries have revolutions.
I NEVER thought in my lifetime that the Soviet Union would fall in a revolution, but it did.
Louis and Marie didn’t know the sans culottes were waiting and that a man name Robespierre would encourage what became known simply as “The Terror”.
China under the world biggest killer, Mao, had a revolution.
So when those who say it can’t happen here are simply exposing their lack of knowledge in that area.
A revolution is coming. Those of us who are prepared will have a much greater chance of surviving. Most will not be prepared and will be sacrificed to the revolution because when it starts gangs will get bigger and nastier and they always go for the low hanging fruit first.
“The revolutionary condition is almost like a divine miracle – it is nearly impossible to engineer and only occurs when social, political and economic conditions are exactly right.”
TEOTWAWKI is one, the Ummah another. I believe Wretchard used the term “motherships” to describe them once.
What motherships are you waiting to land?
Armed resistance to Obamaism is much more plausible than you want to admit, Konyok. a lot of bitter clingers have had enough. Hell, some of them have been stocking up and getting ready since Waco.
The worst-case scenario of an Obama presidency is much, much worse than an attempted European style social democracy.
The revolution must be intellectual. The Left has come to dominate the conversation because they dominate the institutions of authority and influence. It was a fair fight and we lost because not enough people fought back with the right ideas.
The Left is always pushing because it is by nature political. Most Americans, however, just want to be left alone and in the short term will always be at a disadvantage to the collective.
The game changer would occur only if Obama, with the supoort of the Congress, attempted to roll over the 1st and 2nd Amendments. A year ago I would have said is was silly to even say so but now I’m not so sure. We have never seen this kind of demagogue.
Obama is worshipped as the smartest man on Earth. Has anybody ever seen his LSAT or SAT scores? Has any reporter ever asked for them?
@Biggie
“I’ve nothing to gain from throwing in with lawbreakers with notions of grandeur.”
You describe the founding fathers, buddy.
Biggie: “Changing those amendments would take a political consensus of some size. Where is the consensus to change either amendment?”
Wake up, son; it won’t depend on consensus – don’t you get it? Our first and second amendments will not come up for a vote; they will be rescinded, with the assistance of ACLU lawsuits, by Supreme Court case decisions – rescinded by a Marxist dominated Supreme Court after Barak Obama stacks the court with more Marxists. Un-Constitutional Supreme Court oligarchic power will take care of the job, without the consent of the governed. Wake the hell up – you are a frog in the pan – and you haven’t noticed the temperature slowly increasing.
Obama threatens freedom of speech – First Amendment:
“The Obama camp has been threatening television and radio stations to keep them from airing anti-Obama ads.”
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/135118.html
“Earlier this week, NRA-PVF released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama’s longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama’s real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment. They have gone to desperate and outrageous lengths to try to silence your NRA by bullying media outlets with threats of lawsuits if they run NRA-PVF’s ads. They have sent intimidating cease and desist letters to cable operators and television stations, threatening their FCC licenses if they run the ads.”
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4192
Obama threatens freedom to defend life – Second Amendment:
“Obama supported local handgun bans in the Chicago area by opposing any allowance for self-defense. Obama opposed an Illinois bill (SB 2165, 2004) that would have created an “affirmative defense” for a person who used a prohibited firearm in self-defense in his own home.”
http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=c3d25dd2-7abd-4f24-8efd-d62bd977d7c2&ID=11574&Type=1
Biggie: “Changing those amendments would take a political consensus of some size. Where is the consensus to change either amendment?”
Wake up, son; it won’t depend on consensus – don’t you get it? Our first and second amendments will not come up for a vote; they will be rescinded, with the assistance of ACLU lawsuits, by Supreme Court case decisions – rescinded by a Marxist dominated Supreme Court after Barak Obama stacks the court with more Marxists. Un-Constitutional Supreme Court oligarchic power will take care of the job, without the consent of the governed. Wake the hell up – you are a frog in the pan – and you haven’t noticed the temperature slowly increasing.
Obama threatens freedom of speech – First Amendment:
“The Obama camp has been threatening television and radio stations to keep them from airing anti-Obama ads.”
newsmax.com/politics/Obama_Wants_NRA_Ads_Banne/2008/09/27/135118.html
“Earlier this week, NRA-PVF released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama’s longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama’s real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment. They have gone to desperate and outrageous lengths to try to silence your NRA by bullying media outlets with threats of lawsuits if they run NRA-PVF’s ads. They have sent intimidating cease and desist letters to cable operators and television stations, threatening their FCC licenses if they run the ads.”
nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4192
Obama threatens freedom to defend life – Second Amendment:
“Obama supported local handgun bans in the Chicago area by opposing any allowance for self-defense. Obama opposed an Illinois bill (SB 2165, 2004) that would have created an “affirmative defense” for a person who used a prohibited firearm in self-defense in his own home.”
gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=c3d25dd2-7abd-4f24-8efd-d62bd977d7c2&ID=11574&Type=1
Revolutions aren’t intellectual. Heck, the average IQ in the population just bearly hit’s the century mark.
Cannoner is much, much closer to the truth. Since Waco and Ruby Ridge many have seen the hobnail boot approach to law enforcement.
Many of those same people who steadily contributed $25 a month to a mutual fund have watch it evaporate in a single trading session.
They’ve seen the Enron’s, the World Coms, bank failures, Wall Street dissolve and those factors are bedrock factors in peoples lives. Now, with the clock running out on enough working years left to gather the resources to be self sufficient in retirement or even have a retirement they are fed up.
They are tired of the perps purposefully deceiving them, getting six months at Club FED and released with $200,000,000 in the bank.
It is an issue of trust and equity and both are in very short supply with a good many people.
Think about this:
There are only five or six major electrical nodes in the entire USA. A small band of men could take them down, trust me. In a grid down situation here is what you’ll face:
• No municipal drinking water
• After a month the cities will be uninhabitable leading to a huge outflow where the normal citizen is at the mercy of the bad guys. An entire interstate blocked by a semi and covered by armed men.
• Communication out by 90%
• Hospitals and those on any electricity dependent machines…dead.
• Natural gas interruptions, the flow mechanisms dependent on electricity.
• No 911
• All sewage processing stopped.
• No burglar alarms
• No fire. Rescue
• No running water to fluch to the none working sewage plants.
• Prison riots and escapes. There are over 1 million bad people in prison who have honed their skills of survival while the population enjoys another cold one.
•
Then the bad hombres will kick it in high gear and simply take from you what they want.
Fantasy? This is what he authorities train to guard against. But an attack on out electrical system and their effectiveness in doing anything is cut by 90%.
Yeah it can happen.
Getting technical:
Credit Crunch vs Credit Crisis
- Crunch: The economy is in a credit crunch when you visit a bunch of banks to apply for a mortgage, and you find that (if your credit rating is borderline) the banks turn you down or offer you less money than you would normally have been able to borrow. A crunch is generally a slow-moving problem (it evolves over a time frame from a few months to a few years).
- Crisis: The economy is in a credit crisis when you visit a bunch of banks, and they are all closed. And nobody knows when they will open again. (Another term for this is “the freezing up of the payments system”; think of it as being like a “bank run” on all banks at the same time). A crisis can be very fast-moving, and needs to be dealt with quickly and with massive resources.
….
But I want to emphasize that even if a credit crisis can be averted (or at least delayed) by bolstering the FDIC, this would do little or nothing to solve the credit crunch. A credit crunch can really only be dealt with by some plan that ”recapitalizes” the banking sector. In a nutshell, this means that some money needs to flow into the banking sector from the government. I think there are much better ways for that to happen than the original Paulson plan, or the version that failed in the House on Monday. In particular, I would advocate a plan in which every dollar of taxpayer money is used to purchase a dollar’s worth of ownership in the financial institution receiving the taxpayer money (a ”buy-in” plan, as distinct from the Paulson ”bailout” plan).
Habu,
Proof read or quit.
Civil War II: The Coming Breakup of America
Bill O’Reilly features The Choir.
Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves. – Winston Churchill
Habu is right. Chaos CAN happen here. Which is precisely why I react so strongly.
The scenario that he paints with his 4:28 post is what frightens me. (Our cryptic friend *seems* to endorse it … ) The scenario that he paints has another name: terrorism.
The word “revolution” implies the replacement of one order with another. Usually, we speak of popular revolution. A revolution supported by the people. The overwhelming majority of the people do not have a long list of existential grievances. You have exactly the same problem that the communists have always had: Joe 6 pack wants his widescreen TV and a comfortable chair. Whatever aesthetic complaint YOU may have (yep, doppelganger with the zen socialists), if you disturb the “quiet enjoyment” of the American people, it will be YOU that they hunt down and kill like dogs.
Before talking about taking it all down, you’d better start talking about what you would replace it with. How would you compensate the widows and orphans?
I guaran-damn-tee you that some half-assed terror campaign in this country would cement Obama’s leadership for decades.
In fact, I wonder if Habu and Storm-Rider are provocateurs. Habu brags about an intelligence background and he sure talks like he wants to win somebody’s confidence …
Konyok,
I’m just a citizen who believes in the origional American Revolution – the one for sacred human life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. I’m about as much a porvocateur as Thomas Jefferson or Abraham Lincoln.
Who are you?
“Before talking about taking it all down, you’d better start talking about what you would replace it with.”
How about replacing our current Socialist government with the Constitution of the United States – as written – as agreed to by the people through ratification and amendment.
“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.” Abraham Lincoln
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Cannoneer,
Churchill is right on.
What, however, is the right fight?
Is ranting and raving about political violence a road to victory? Really? Is that what our war dead fought for? Really?
Isn’t the right fight to work your ass off to defeat Obama in the constitutional system that our forefathers bequeathed to us?
Just words, Storm-Rider.
Thomas Jefferson’s generation were subjects of a foreign king. They revolted for the principle of self government. The revolutionary condition was that English colonists came to think of themselves as Americans and the power of the English king was attenuated by the Atlantic Ocean.
You have the representative republic that the founders fought for. You want to replace with what? Citizen’s committees? What have you done to restore the constitution? Oh, you’re posting at Belmont Club.
It’s funny that you should mention Abraham Lincoln. What was his greatness? He defended the country against those who would fracture the union with …. political violence!!
(He suspended habeas corpus to deal with … people like you!)
Political violence is a very profound thing, not to be toyed with and not to be bandied about lightly.
Storm-rider,
For your edification, a provocateur is a secret police agent who insinuates himself with dissidents and urges them to say and do things to incriminate themselves.
The last time that I looked, inciting terrorism is a crime in this country.
Fletcher – the way I see it, there is no such thing as an innocent Muslim. If they believe in and support the Koran then they must, ipso facto, be anti-Western and anti-law. Plus which, it’s just in the last year or so that they’ve started having the brilliant idea that maybe it’s a good idea to turn in their father, uncle, brother, cousin who is building a bomb in the basement… and by no means are all of them sold on *that* idea either. Therefore, to me, any Muslim who is aware of another Muslim who is plotting against the government of England or America, or who thinks that child brides or polygamy is alright, or who would commit or acquit an honor killing cannot be “innocent”. I’m pretty sure that’s about 99.9% of them.
Konyok,
Not just words. Our republic may be coming to an end with or without my freedom of speech here on this blog. The American Republic will end when our first and second amendments are revoked by Supreme Court case decision. I’m not advocating violence except in defense of life and liberty – the same conditions that our founding fathers set for violence. Defense of freedom of speech and defense of freedom to defend life is defense of the American Republic, and eventually it will become defense of life its self. When human liberty dies, the right to life dies with it; and then we’ll see people defending their lives against an un-Constitutional tyrannical government. If you read all of my posts you’d see that I’m advocating States Rights under the ninth and tenth amendments as the way to go – followed by a Constitutional amendment with term limits for Congress and the Supreme Court – and with an amendment giving Congress the power to override a Supreme Court veto of Congressional legislation. Violence is the last resort – to defend sacred life and liberty – it may come to this point some day – God forbid. Rostoring our origional American Revolution may be more difficult than our rebellion against the British Empire because our anti-American Marxists are now part of our system – Civil War could happen – God forbid.
Defending human liberty, i.e.: the origional American Revolution, is not terrorism.
“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” George Washington
“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.” George Washington
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” – Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
the lady who put that sing for change thing on makes me sick!!! telling innocent little kids that they should sing about the antichrist.
she is definatley a pinhead, and so are all the parents
Storm-Rider,
As Rush Limbaugh says: Words mean things.
If violence is he last resort, then keep your powder and save your violent words for that last resort.
When you call for a second revolution you call for political violence to replace our present constitutional order. You might quibble that you are restoring what you deem to be the *correct* constitutional interpretation, but that doesn’t mean squat. Nobody elected you the grand exalted poobah of the founders’ original intent.
When you call for a second revolution you are saying that you desire, or you intend, to use political violence to impose your will on the American people.
You sound EXACTLY like the moonbats who whine about Bushitler’s police state.
I share your fear about socialism. Probably even more than you do, because I used to be a socialist myself and I KNOW those people. What I know as a certain fact is that your rhetoric serves THEIR cause.
If you want to prevent the Obama regime, get off of your ass and get to work.
I meant “keep your powder dry.”
Programmer,
Your above post does have some sense about it. But where do you stand vis-a-vis Obama’s hostility towards the 1st and 2nd Amendments of the U.S. Constitution? He will appoint a Court that WILL so legally circumscribe those amendments that the the reality will not be recognizable.
I don’t know any ex military guys who are socialists. I know some who are libertarians, but just not the kind inclined leftwards.
And the deck is stacked against us by the education system and the universities. Also the media. We have a hard time reaching young people. They tend not to join churches and the Scouts anymore.
Lastly, and I took that oath when I went in the Army back in ’73, the oath one takes in the armed forces includes to honor and defend the Constitution as well as the chain of command. If the CIC attacks and alters the Constitution illegally, if the Courts sweep parts of it away, then the government loses its legitimacy. WE LEND OUR POWERS TO THE GOVERNMENT. It has no right to break its contract with the people, which is what it does when it starts taking apart that contract without our consent.
That cryto-Marxist Obama, aided and abetted by the mainstream media, is perpetrating a fraud upon the people. He lies about his policy positions. I have no reason whatsoever to trust him.
Within four years you and everyone else will see that those of us issuing our Cassandra-like shrieking were right. We would like to see the nation remain at peace with itself, but everything I’ve seen coming from the Left tells me that they do not seek peace with the people. They want to change us and the nation in ways that are abhorrent. I USED TO BE ON THE LEFT, so I know these people like the back of my hand. And I know their thoughts better than most of them know their own thoughts themselves, BECAUSE I STUDIED THE THEORETICIANS WHO SET IT ALL IN MOTION!!! Barack Obama is not a liberal Democrat. He is way beyond that, but is very successful in representing himself that way to the Middle Muddle. In the Leftist circles they know him as a fellow traveler.
You wait and see. It will be four years of crisis and calamity, and this nations enemies are getting ready to take full advantage of it.
I forgot to add:
Obama is not a believer in anything even close to some version of a strict constructionist interpretation of the Constitution. He sees it as a “living Constitution” and must be “gone beyond.” He has stated it before in his career. None of the four conservative judges on the court he would have approved of. Not one. One of them he considers to be incompetent for the position.
Obama Supreme Court Candidate Deval Patrick—Part 1
[Ed Whelan]
Massachusetts governor Deval Patrick is another highly touted contender for a Supreme Court appointment by a President Obama. As the Boston Globe reported two months ago in an article entitled “Speculation swirls around a Patrick appointment”:
Legal blogs have been spreading Patrick’s name as a potential Supreme Court pick for at least a year. In recent months, both The New York Times and The Washington Post have mentioned Patrick either first or second in stories handicapping potential Obama high-court nominees.
Deval Patrick has made his mark on the law in the field of racial preferences. Let’s take a look at his remarkable record:
1. As assistant attorney general for civil rights in the Clinton administration, Patrick—in the words of Jeffrey Rosen in a 1994 New Republic article—“committed the Clinton administration to a vision of racial preference that fulfills the most extravagant fantasies of a conservative attack ad.” Specifically, Patrick argued in a brief in Taxman v. Piscataway that “it is legal to fire a white teacher over a black teacher purely because of her race.” As Rosen explains, Patrick’s position that “affirmative action” principles permit “firing someone on account of race crosses a crucial line” that had been “widely accepted by liberals and conservatives.” Patrick “blithely endorsed the most extreme form of racialism” and did so “with a series of evasions”.
2. More generally, Patrick as AAG aggressively pursued and defended racial preferences and racial line-drawing across the board—in employment, government contracting, and gerrymandering—even in the face of contrary Supreme Court rulings. Patrick was notorious for his tactics of intimidation and abuse. Even liberal senator Carol Moseley Braun (whose seat Barack Obama occupies) decried Patrick’s “Gestapo techniques” that “run roughshod over citizens, over communities.”
More on: Some Trial Judges Confirmed
[Ed Whelan]
Three hours ago, I expressed the hope that the White House did a better job picking the other nine district-court nominees who were confirmed last Friday than it did in picking Anthony Trenga.
Alas, a reader writes to inform me:
I’m afraid I have some bad news for you.
The appointment of Mary S. Scriven to the Middle District of Florida is cut from the exact same mold as the Trenga nomination. She and her husband are lifetime Democrats, politically plugged in to the Democratic machine, and her husband is a flagrant Obama supporter.
This swift confirmation is even more perplexing when one learns the fate of Bill Jung, who by all accounts is a man governed by right reason. Please notice that Jung, nominated the same moment as Scriven, has received no hearing and no other attention and has been left for dead by our President and Republican senator.
Re: Some Trial Judges Confirmed
One of the ten district-court nominees confirmed last Friday was Anthony Trenga (for the Eastern District of Virginia), whose record of political contributions made him a bizarre pick for a Republican president and who shows no signs of sharing President Bush’s espoused judicial philosophy. Let’s hope that the White House did a better job of picking the other nine.
Still More on: Some Trial Judges Confirmed
[Ed Whelan]
Yet another of the district-court nominees confirmed last Friday—Christine M. Arguello (to the District of Colorado)—has a record of federal political contributions that is entirely Democratic, including strong support of U.S. senator Ken Salazar. Who’s really been picking the judges?
Konyok,
We currently have an un-Constitutional order. Our Supreme court was never given the power to veto Congressional legislation or to veto the Bill of Rights by case decision. The Supreme Court gave themselves this power through Marbury vs. Madison. Congress, which is directly connected to the people, must be able to override the Supreme Court.
The “Living Constitution” must draw its life-giving breath from the people through the Constitutional amendment process – not through an elite and un-elected judicial oligarchy. The un-Constitutional massive Federal Government buaurocracy was the second American Revolution – the New Deal was a Socialist Revolution. Yes, I want a peaceful third American Revolution; and I want it to enforce the ninth and tenth amendments – to return just government power to the states and to the people – just government power which derives through the (informed) consent of the governed.
I fear the Marxists in this country – they are the ones who will precipitate political violence – not me – but I’ll defend myself and my family. Freedom isn’t free – it always requires sacrifice – and it could come to that again in the struggle for sacred human life and liberty.
My ideas about the founder origional intent are what they are, and I believe they are shared by most Americans. I read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence on my own, just as I read my Bible on my own. I don’t need you or a pundit to help me read the Constitution, nor a priest or pastor – I’ll listen to them, but I make up my own mind – I am an American. Mock me all you want.
Adding Sweeteners, Senate Passes Bailout Plan
The Senate strongly endorsed the $700 billion economic bailout plan, leaving backers hopeful that the easy approval, coupled with an array of popular additions, would lead to passage in the House by Friday.
Draft of Senate Proposal (pdf)
If anyone wants to know how the Left will circumscribe its own power, vis-a-vis the 1st Amendment, I submit to you how it behaves towards students and faculty whom it grinds down within academia. There is no academic freedom. They use the Constitution for toilet paper in the university. Think I’m kidding?
fred,
How best to prevent the Obama regime?
Mutter darkly in the Belmont Club?
Or, maybe get off of your ass and get to work?
The only people who are going to read your posts here are: a) people who agree with you that Obama is a threat to our republic, b) people who are looking for things to discredit Obama’s opponents with, or, maybe, if Storm-Rider and his like become a large enough presence on this forum, c) DHS or DOJ operatives looking for threats.
People in category (a) don’t need a whole lot more convincing. People in category (b) are tickled pink to read these kinds of exchanges. Well, category (c) ….
This election is not going to be decided by the strength of our rhetoric in friendly forums like this. It will be decided by how many disgruntleds and apathetics we can convince to vote McCain and by how many Obama suppporters we can turn.
We have to get off of our asses and get to work.
Konyok, I’m not ranting and raving about political violence. Really.
The United States was born in political violence. It was preserved through political violence, at great cost on both sides, by conquering states that no longer wished to remain in the Union. Smaller scale acts of political violence have occurred periodically ever since.
Think about what Americans of October, 1860 were going through. What we are going through now is not the same, but there are similarities.
@NaHncee (1:49)
canada has the population of California and an economy the size of Texas.
South Park is not the History Channel.
We do however tend to favour a good bench clearing brawl on occasion and whenever someone puts one on we usually jump right in.
Most often, we pick a side, but there have been times we’ve jumped in on both.
Civil war seems foremost on this thread and yours provides a prime example.
Over 50,000 Canadians fought in that one, on both sides.
Here try this:
http://cwrtkingston.phpwebhosting.com/Hoy.htm
On a more sober note, talk of civil war leads me to consider a line of Kipling
poetry.
And this
In the mid-nineties we peered over the abyss of sucession and averted it in the last 24 hours by a vote margin smaller than the attendance of a football stadium crowd.
Since then the country has been tippy-toeing ever so softly away from radicalism.
I await to see what your republic decides.
A thank you to Wretchard and all for the insights into the issues that concern you and the full range of events that drive them. The bulk of our MSM filters the events of the American day with much the same spin as does yours.
Compare and contrast results in a contrast near monochromatic.
Best Regards
Konyok,
There is absolutely nothing wrong with people expressing their political views here or on any other forum – this place is freedom of speech. Your warnings regarding DHS or DOJ operatives are totalitarian in nature – a threat to freedom of speech.
I talk to my friends and family about these issues, and I speak with my colleagues at work as well. How would you have any idea about my private life or my activities in my community?
You appear to have a totalitarian streak – you are a scary man.
Storm-Rider,
You keep changing your story. Now it’s a “peaceful third American revolution” that you advocate. Is this Storm-Rider’s “living revolution?”
We have a constitutional representative republic. The enemy has vandalized it and crippled it. What are you doing to repair her?
Don’t you understand that political violence in this country would kill whatever is left of the constitution, never to be mended again? Not to mention the great aid and comfort it would give the jihadis to have Americans killing each other.
I will continue to mock you until you start acting like a grown man and not a petulant loser.
Get off of your ass and get to work.
(And drink more Georgian wine.)
Yeah, that’s right Storm-Rider, I’m a scary man.
I tell you to stop hinting about killing people and I’m scary.
Grow up.
Konyok,
I haven’t changed my story – I’m for a peaceful third American Revolution – to restore the origional American Republic. Like Cannoneer, Fred and others have said, and as I have said, violence is the last resort to defend our liberty. Grow up – it is a real possibility – it is a possibility if our freedom of speech and freedom to defend life are decided away by the Supreme Court.
Our founding fathers were not afraid to fight for their life – and their freedom. Are you afraid to fight for freedom – even if, God forbid, it were a domestic fight?
Konyok,
I am not politically connected and have no forum from whence to argue my points before those who lean or drift leftwards. Also, the Obama supporters I know are not inclined to listen to contrarian views. I know. I’ve tried. Besides, with family, friends, and good acquaintances there are limits beyond which you really cannot go before you foul it all and ruin the relationship. And believe me, they are better at being loud morons than I am; I prefer to keep my dignity intact, thank you.
If I were a teacher or professor, even then I would never interject, as the Leftists do, my political views on my students. Back in ’85-’86 when I was a Jesuit grad student teaching into philosophy courses at Loyola of Chicago I was a Marxist, but I kept my views to myself. Now that kind of restraint is quite old-fashioned and gone long ago. Plus I don’t think churches are proper places to canvass and lobby over political candidates and issues, and Sunday Mass is about my only foray into large groups each week.
Cannoneer,
I know. The Obama threat is unfolding in such a creepy way – the media, the financial crisis, the propaganda (original thread here). It’s easy to get a bit carried away.
This country was born and baptized in blood. That makes political violence all the more charged with a downright mystical taboo. Before we even talk about it we have to be really, really, really sure about it.
In October, 1860 the issue was slavery. It was right out in front for everybody to see. The whole country talked about it and everybody knew where they stood. One half of the country was terrified that the other half was going to intervene in their affairs.
In October, 2008 the issue is Obama the cipher. We certainly have plenty of hints of what he portends, but nothing certain. We have not had the national conversation about socialism.
Don’t you see the parallels? Storm-Rider, Habu and others would cast us as the confederates. Only, in this case we are reacting to shadows of what might be.
The only thing, other than drinking a little more Georgian wine, is to get off of our asses and get to work. Turn an Obama supporter around. Tell them about CRA, Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, tell them about Bill Ayers.
We can’t just give up on them because they don’t read the Belmont Club. The media isn’t telling them the story. We have to.
The media bias has become so palpable it is obvious to see. It is our job to point it out to our fellow Americans.
This is Churchill’s fight. To mobilize our side and elect the least worst candidate, John McCain.
Believe it or not, our best ally right now is Bill Clinton. He is leaving us a trail of bread crumbs.
Here’s something to start with:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122282635048992995.html?mod=todays_us_opinion
The immediate task isn’t to convince people to be conservatives, it is to sow enough doubts about Barack Obama.
Storm-Rider,
I thought you wanted a “peaceful third American revolution.”
Now you ask me:
Are you afraid to fight for freedom – even if, God forbid, it were a domestic fight?
I ask you, fight whom? My fellow Americans? Are you out of your everliving mind? Are you living in some fantasy land? Do you play too many video games?
The enemy is Al Qaeda, not my obnoxious neighbor. I am not a Taqfiri. My neighbor can believe whatever he wants and vote for whomever he wants. It is MY job to try to convince him not to make a mistake. If I fail, I’m not going to shot him. I’ll just have to wait for the next election, just like our forefathers’ planned it.
Political violence is some strong juju, not to be threatened lightly.
Dang ,if the book Cannoneer recommended es verdad as they say down here at ground zero in Southern Arizona, I’m screwed. I live on the Southside amongst the tortillerias and Sonoran hot dog stands. Where am I going to run to?
I’m looking and working for a revolution too, but it’s a revolution of Christian revival because that’s all that can save us from the Mad dogs and non-Englishmen.All you who cite history study the history of revival in America. The tide has turned in the past by the grace of God and really that’s all we got. I’ve humped the boonies and can shoot a little bit and I live in a house with iron on every window and a Doberman in the yard,but we can’t stop the crossfire hurricane , only God can. Cry out to him.
Go look at Wretchard’s latest post.
He expresses an optimism that is directly relevant to this conversation.
Basically, he is telling us to get off of our asses and get to work.
(I’ll add: Drink more Georgian wine!)
Konyok,
Once our freedom of speech and freedom to defend life have been revoked by a Marxist/Obama Supreme Court, what do you think will happen next? Tyranny is next – what then Konyok? Our founding fathers understood human nature well enough to know that tyranny could worm its way into our own system – why not – aren’t we made of the same DNA as people in 1776 – or for that matter in all ages past? Human nature hasn’t changed one iota since 1776 or since Cain murdered Able. Human evil is still with us – and our founders knew it could infest their precious creation – our American Republic – our sacred system of free speech, right to life and right to defend life.
Yes, Al Qaeda is our enemy, but domestic Marxists are as well – some are totalitarian – and in the end they will ally with our totalitarian Islamist enemies – think about that. I fear for our future – I fear for my children’s future. This is all new for me; never in my life have I feared for the future of my family – until now.
“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.” Thomas Jefferson
“Storm-Rider, Habu and others would cast us as the confederates.” No, I would cast us as our founding fathers. The Confederates had no States right to slavery – that violated our Declaration of Independence. I am for all States rights as per our Constitution, and which do not violate our Declaration of Independence.
“The assertion that “all men are created equal” was of no practical use in effecting our separation from Great Britain and it was placed in the Declaration not for that, but for future use.” Abraham Lincoln
Storm-Rider,
What you do is you keep your powder dry and your mouth shut until such time as you need to take action.
How do you envision this “Marxist/Obama Supreme Court” to come into being? What do you even mean by this word “Marxist?” (Remember Rush Limbaugh: words mean things.) The current court is 4 conservatives, 4 liberals and 1 swing vote. Which justices are Marxists today? Which justices are most likely to retire in the next 4 years? I would say Ginsburg, the most liberal of the current court – so a wash. Most worrying is Anthony, the swing vote.
The Dems have opened the door to judicial appointment filibusters, so a notional president Obama would not be able to force a very liberal, or even Marxist justice unless the Dems get a 2/3′s majority in the senate. Extremely unlikely.
There is no reason to panic, no reason for hysteria. There is good reason to get off of your ass and get to work.
There is no reason to panic, no reason for hysteria. There is good reason to get off of your ass and get to work.
Konyok is right enough. I mean, if Obama doesn’t win the election, then we don’t have to worry about it (until the next election).
peterike,
First we defeat Obama in the election.
Then we roll up our sleeves and fight for our country. This forum is useful for alerting each other, but is no substitute for working.
We need to identify the William Ayers allies and hound them to the ends of the earth. How many of us have written letters to the University of Chicago protesting his tenure? (I’ll confess, I’ve been passive and lazy myself.) We need to confront the enemy in a peaceful and law abiding way. We need to mirror the left and work locally to build a stronger Republican party. (We all like to strategize on global and national issues, and it is great good fun, but the real work is on local school boards and city councils.)
This should be our wake up call.
The last thing that we should do is talk publicly about taking up arms.
Just a few musings:
Those of us who were old enough to follow events in the 1960′s and 1970′s heard a number of groups using the word “revolution.” In the conversations around Yale before the “Parrot’s Beak Incursion” into Cambodia of spring 1970, people were keenly aware of the police shooting incident that killed Black Panther Fred Hampton, of numerous bombings around the country, of the take-overs by armed “student radicals” of various university administration offices and the cowardly response of those universities… On any college campus it was commonly believed that Nixon was going to use all that as an excuse to suspend the coming elections, declare martial law, and establish a dictatorship.
The Black Panthers and the Weather Underground and a number of other groups in other countries acted on their revolutionary chantings, and a lot of people were murdered by them. Bill Ayers, let’s recall, was one who made it his business to plant bombs that, but for the Grace of God Almighty, did not kill anyone… or at least anyone that we know of. The Puerto Rican terrorists freed by Bill Clinton on the eve of the New York senatorial election that elevated Hillary to the Senate, did in fact kill at least one police officer, and injured several others.
Bill Ayers, the brave and sweet, intimate of the Shining One. It’s ironic that such a unapologetically vicious bastard has been made by Chicago’s Leftward-scuttling gliterati into a man of wealth, influence, and power, just to spit in the eyes of the people in “fly-over” territory.
So in the 60′s and 70′s, Bader-Meinhoff Gang, Red Brigades, El Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path), Che Guevara, Symbianese Liberation Front (kidnappers of Pattie Hearst), et cetera – committed a number of terrorist acts in the name of international revolution against Western cultural and political systems all. Their members were characteristically from privileged, upper-middle-class and even aristocratic families, well educated, and accustomed to wealth, travel, education, and material possessions, even servants. Some of these have been studied and described as profoundly sociopathic. Clearly they were as demented and diseased as any Charles Manson or Richard Speck.
Many of the milder “revolutionaries” or “counter-cultural” activists – i.e., freaks who were less bold and less willing to risk the consequences of overt criminal violence – elected to work within the system. You can go back and trace the threads of some, finding their names listed among, for instance, the staff of Democrats working feverishly to bring down the much hated Richard Nixon, serving as “observers” in the New Haven courtrooms where Black Panther Bobby Seale was on trial for first degree murder in the torture/death of police-informant Alex Ramsey, then just a few years later signatory as a principal of the Rose Law Firm to the drafts of the documents that created the fabled BCCI in the over-ripe and largely unregulated banking milieu of the State of Arkansas.
Look at the spitting, contemptuous anti-military, anti-faith, anti-chastity smugness of the adolescents that accompanied Bill & Hillary into the White House (Thank you Mr. Perot!)
Those puerile little turds – yeah, the ones that trashed the White House as a parting gift to their successors – are the current model of a revolutionary. They’re the ones who are advancing into the senior ranks of government service, and living very well indeed.
I think each of us who values the rights enshrined in the U.S. Constitution need to invest in purchasing and learning to safely operate such weapons as are guaranteed to us, and ammunition sufficient to participate in any and all appropriate activities. Does that make me a revolutionary? I don’t think so.
I think we each need to be prepared for weeks at a stretch without municipal services – city water, electricity, law enforcement, rescue, etc. When I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area in the 1990′s, this was the advice of the professional firefighter who began the first night of CERT training when I took that course. Some regions are vulnerable to earthquakes, some to hurricanes, some to tornadoes, some to wildfires, some to civil unrest. In 1999, a work crew from the phone company working in Oakland severed an underground power line, and the ensuing cascade of power-grid failures left the entire city of San Francisco without electricity for 24 hours. Does that make me a revolutionary?
I think it’s a wonderful thing for families to learn how to live comfortably in the open, filtering and purifying their drinking water, digging and maintaining proper latrines, learning enough wilderness first aid to be able to dress wounds and resolve broken limbs, treat shock and exposure. Does that make me a revolutionary?
The tides of History wash over continents, overwhelming even the best-prepared and purest patriots. Nazi Germany executed over 20,000 of its own citizens for dissent during the years of WWII. They publicly beheaded them with guillotines.
Don’t fool yourself; revolution is not for the faint-hearted.
Quiet, rational, deliberate preparations for worst case scenarios is prudent and right.
Chest beating about anticipating, or even advocating political violence against fellow Americans only plays into our opponents’ hands.
It would be a sad irony if transcripts from the Belmont Club were waved around in hearings to grant B. Hussein Obama emergency powers.
Preparations made locally and quietly. Political philosophy discussed publicly and civilly.
“The Obama campaign is demanding that the Justice Department bring criminal charges against a non-profit advocacy organization and one of its donors because they have the audacity to sponsor a television ad criticizing the close connection between Obama and unrepentant former terrorist William Ayers. The campaign is also threatening the license of television stations; and is enlisting state law enforcement officials for partisan prosecutions, all for running political ads that Obama claims are misleading and false. These actions should cause every American to ask, can Obama be trusted with the powers of the Justice Department, the Federal Election Commission and the Federal Communications Commission? This is a man who wants to criminally and economically punish opponents for engaging in political speech that is the heart and soul of the First Amendment.”
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28831
“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” George Washington
I never called for a third American Revolution to be a violent revolution – but revolt we must – politically – against our second American Revolution – the Socialist American Revolution – and restore our Origional American Revolution – our actual Constitution with its Bill of Rights.
When freedom of speech is taken; and then freedom to defend life is taken, your right to property and to life its self is then on the line if you speak up.
Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves. – Winston Churchill
Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit is also saying get off your ass and go to work. Looks like maybe the Pajamas-honcho’s are trying to head off a civil war and get us to be civilized and keep on turning the other cheek at progressive bullying.
Damn, I was so looking forward to my first liberal scalp, too.
Singing for change?
arrrrgh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4yT0KAMyo
well i do not feel that any sort of political ideals should be taught to such young children. If this candidate plans for 8 years as is the norm. then these kids would not even have a chance to vote for him. This is somewhat scary, politics is for adults dragging children into this is dispicable. On another note the bailout marks the end of free market, if a company fails it DESERVES to fail. The market will fix itself
Has everyone seen the Obama Hitler Youth training film?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI
Note their military uniforms.
Better hurry…the Obamatrons at YouTube keep pulling it off.
Go Obama go !
http://www.agoravox.fr/article.php3?id_article=45219
The first video is “no longer available.”
Is there another source?
Thanks.