I wrote the following account of my trip to Libya years ago for the LA Weekly. Now that Qaddafi is in the fight of his life, it’s a good time to take another look at just how awful he is.
When you visit another country, it’s hard to get a feel for what it’s actually like until you leave your hotel room, go for a walk, take a look around, and hang out while soaking it in. Not so in Libya. All you have to do there is show up. It will impose itself on you at once.
My Air Afriquiya flight touched down on the runway next to a junkyard of filthy, gutted and broken-down aircraft in an airport otherwise empty of planes. When I stepped out of the hatch into the jetway, I came face to face with three uniformed military goons who scrutinized me and everyone else from behind reflective oversize sunglasses.
Colonel Muammar Qaddafi, mastermind of the 1969 Al-Fateh Revolution (a euphemism for his military coup), Brother Leader of the Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, greeted arrivals in the passport-control room from a menacing, almost snarling, gold-gilded portrait. A translated overhead sign (rare in Libya) said “Partners Not Wage Earners.” In other words: Don’t expect to be paid.
A bored official glanced at my visa, rubbed his face, stamped my passport and pointed me toward my first Libyan checkpoint. A man in an untucked button-up shirt, with a cigarette jutting out the side of his mouth, waved me toward a metal detector. He hadn’t shaved in two days. I walked through. The alarm screamed and I braced for a pat-down. He just stood there, took a long drag on his cigarette and stared bleary-eyed into space over my shoulder. I guessed that meant I could go. So I did.
There were no other planes coming or going, so it was easy to find my ride. His name was Abdul. He wore a snazzy black-leather jacket and a Western-style goatee.
“Welcome to Libya!” he said as he led me into a parking lot the size of an Applebee’s.
“We’re really busy right now. This is Libya’s high season.” They must shut down the airport entirely during the low season.
The capital city of Tripoli was an asteroid belt of monolithic apartment towers. The streets were mostly empty of cars, the sidewalks empty of people. I saw no restaurants, no cafés, no clubs, no bars and no malls. Nor did I see anywhere else to hang out. Libya, so far, looked depopulated.
We drove past a shattered former government compound surrounded by a lagoon of pulverized concrete that once was a parking lot. It was obvious when that thing was built. The 1970s were the 1970s everywhere, even in Libya.
Only as we approached the center of Tripoli did traffic pick up. Hardly anyone walked around, and it was no wonder: A mile-long pit on the side of the road appeared to be the place to give juice bottles, plastic wrappers, garbage bags and worn-out tires the heave-ho.
I saw no corporate advertising: no Pepsi signs, no movie posters and no cute girls flashing milk-mustache smiles for the dairy industry. I did, however, see one hysterical propaganda billboard after another. They were socialist-realist cartoons from the Soviet era, the same kinds of living museum pieces still on display in North Korea and other wonderful places where starving proles live in glorious jackbooted paradise.
The Happy Worker theme was a common one; smiling construction workers wore hardhats, and Bedouins-turned-widget-makers basked in the glory of assembly-line work. One poster showed two hands chained together at the wrist below an image of Qaddafi’s sinister Green Book descending from heaven.
My hotel, Tripoli
At the hotel I ran into my second Libyan checkpoint. A metal detector was set up at the entrance. A young security agent sat at a metal desk and showed off his open copy of the Green Book. He propped it at such an angle that I could read the cover, but he couldn’t possibly read what was inside.
I stepped through. The alarm screamed, detecting (perhaps) my dental fillings or zipper. He looked up, gave me a nodding “what’s up, dude” smile, and went back to pretending to read.
I poked around the lobby while Abdul checked me in at the desk.
The gift shop offered a wide range of totalitarian propaganda books and pamphlets in multiple languages. A fantastic selection of Qaddafi watches ranged in price from $25 to $600. I bought one for $25. Qaddafi is shown wearing his military uniform, officer’s hat and sunglasses like a swaggering Latin American generalissimo. It was busted right out of the box, the hour hand stuck forever at 9 o’clock.
The lobby was plastered all over with portraits of the boss in various poses. He wore shades in most of them, but in some pictures from his early days, he wore a buffoonish 1970s haircut instead.
I had to suck down my giggles. God, was this guy for real? His unexportable Third Universal Theory was internationalist insofar as it obliterated any sense that Tripoli was Middle Eastern or African — at least from the point of view of the back seat of the car. I could have been in any former Soviet republic, or even in some parts of the Bronx. But look at those portraits! Now there was something exotic.
Most of the other men in the lobby (I hadn’t seen any women since I landed) looked like Arab businessmen who bought their suits from Turkish remainder bins. The only expensively dressed man sat at a shiny wooden desk, the kind you’d expect to see at a law firm. He had no work in front of him, not even papers to shuffle. His job was to stare holes through everyone who stepped in and out of the elevator.
There were no towels in my room. The bathroom was, however, generously stocked with products, all of them packaged in green — the color of Islam and Qaddafi’s so-called revolution. The hotel gave me green shampoo, green soap, green bath gel, green toothpaste and even a green shoehorn and comb. All were clearly (and, I must say, unnecessarily) marked “Made in the Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya.” There was no booze (it’s banned), no soda, no water, no juice in the mini-bar. A burn the size and shape of a deflated basketball was seared into the carpet.
I switched on the TV: nothing but hysterical state-run propaganda. I couldn’t lower the volume (the knob was broken), but at least I could change the channel and choose whether I wanted to be droned at or screeched at in Arabic.
My window overlooked the Mediterranean Sea and, closer in, a drained and stained swimming pool. There was a forlorn rocky beach down there, cut off from the hotel and everything else by a blank gray slab of a wall. The cold wind whistling into the room from the patio sounded like moaning ghosts trapped in a well.
*
Until the middle of 2004, Americans were banned from Libya, not by Qaddafi but by our own government. The travel ban has been lifted, but tourists are still required to book their trip through a Libyan agency. The regime won’t tolerate tourists running around loose on their own. You can make your own trip — you don’t have to be a part of a tour group — but you’ll still be baby-sat by a guide.
I didn’t go to Libya to see the sights — such as they are. I wanted to see a once-forbidden country as it really was. So I set out on foot on my own while I had a brief chance.
It was a jarring experience.
The main drag along the sea into the city was one straw short of a freeway. There were no houses, businesses, restaurants or shops along the way — only clusters of vertical human-storage units surrounded by empty lots the size of a Wal-Mart.
Trash was smeared on the sidewalks. It clogged all the street gutters. Almost every available blank space (and, oh, were there plenty of those) was a dumpsite.
I got agoraphobia walking around. The streets were too wide, the buildings too far apart, the landscape barren.
The traffic was too fast, too close and too hectic. I was pinned on a thin ribbon of sidewalk between the Mediterranean and the freeway.
There was no way I could cross that river of mayhem and steel unless I found a traffic light and a crosswalk — an unlikely event from the look of the place. There wasn’t much worth seeing on the other side anyway. Those towers and the empty lots strewn with soda cans, candy-bar wrappers and billowing plastic bags didn’t get any prettier as they got closer.
The sea was all but boarded up behind blank white walls and a decayed postindustrial concrete catastrophe of a “waterfront.” In the few places I could get a glimpse of the shoreline, it didn’t have the look and feel of the familiar Mediterranean, but rather an inland sea in a Central Asian republic. The city felt harsh and jagged, and the close but unreachable sea could not take the edge off.
Three young boys crouched next to the dry side of the seawall. They ran up when they saw me and asked for cigarettes. Those kids could not have been older than 10. I had two choices — corrupt Libya’s youth or be a stuffy, uptight naysaying American. I chose to corrupt the children. When I handed over the smokes, each slapped his fist on his heart and cried, “Allahu Akbar!”
The freeway continued as far as I could see without any way for me to cross it. Traffic was relentless, and I didn’t dare wade into it without knowing the rules. I could have just bolted in front of the cars and they would have stopped. But I hadn’t been in the country for even two hours. I didn’t know how anything worked yet. So I went back to the hotel and ordered some dinner.
I’d say that was my mistake, but I did have to eat.
At the restaurant, there was no sign that said “Please Wait To Be Seated.” Should I seat myself? Who knew? I felt ridiculous just standing there at the entrance. So I found a table.
A waiter finally came over.
“Are you a tourist?” he said.
“Yes,” I lied. Libya is a total-surveillance police state. One person in six works for the secret police. Best, I thought, to keep my journalistic intentions to myself.
“For tourists we have fish,” he said. He did not give me a menu. I didn’t see a single menu anywhere in the country. In Libyan restaurants, you sit down and eat whatever they give you.
“What kind of fish?”
“Eh,” he said, taken aback by the question. “Fish. Fish. You know, fish.”
“Great,” I said. “I’ll have the fish.”
He brought me two small fish the size of my hand, each fried in a pan. Heads, fins and eyeballs were still attached. Bones and guts were inside. They tasted bad and smelled worse. The businessmen at the tables around me drank nonalcoholic Becks “beer.” But all I got was a bottle of water.
Abdul picked me up again in the morning. His job was to show me Tripoli’s sights. There weren’t many: Green Square, the museum, and an old city smaller than downtown Boise. That’s it. That’s all there is.
We started with the museum. Phoenician and Roman artifacts were on the first floor. Upstairs was the “Islamic period.” The top floor was entirely dedicated to the glorification of Qaddafi.
Qaddafi dedicated an entire floor to himself at the national museum
Qaddafi thinks he’s the sun of Africa
One room displayed gifts to the colonel from foreign officials and heads of state — swords, jeweled boxes, a crystal map of “Palestine” that included Tel Aviv. A living-room set upholstered with a tacky floral print was roped off in a corner. “That’s where Qaddafi sits with foreign guests he wants to impress,” Abdul said.
Right outside the museum was Qaddafi’s Green Square — which isn’t green, by the way. It’s famous, but it shouldn’t be. This is no Italian piazza we’re talking about. It’s an asphalt parking lot ringed by a six-lane urban speedway.
Green Square, Tripoli
The nice thing about Green Square is that it’s central. The Italian quarter, built by Italy during its fascist period, is on one side. The old city is on the other.
The old city was the only neighborhood that looked Middle Eastern. Too bad much of it also looked like the back-street slums of Havana. Not all of it, though. A few buildings — like the old mosques, a soaring clock tower and the Arch of Marcus Aurelius — were stunning.
Clock tower, old city, Tripoli
It was a pleasant place, actually. Ancient buildings with handcrafted details on them are dignified even in squalor. Rotting grandeur is still grand, after all.
Old city, Tripoli
The streets were too narrow for cars. Not one of the shopkeepers harangued me when I walked by as they did constantly in Tunisia when I visited there a few months ago. There were hardly any cheap tourist gimcracks on sale. I could walk the old city in peace.
Almost everything was solely for local consumption: clothes, fabrics, jewelry, shoes, batteries and so on. One of the narrower streets was lined with almost medieval metal forges where copper pots and crescent moons for the tops of minarets were banged into shape with hammers and tongs over fires.
I didn’t see theaters, clubs or any other places of diversion or entertainment. “Until two years ago,” Abdul said, “there was nothing to do in Libya but sleep. Things are better now.”
Things weren’t much better, though. Libya’s economy was still mostly socialist. There will be no fun without capitalism. Sorry. The state just isn’t gonna provide it, especially not a state that can’t even pick up the garbage.
“So, Abdul,” I said as we walked through the souk. “How many Libyans wear a Qaddafi watch?”
“Um,” he said, and laughed grimly. “Not very many. There are, you know, enough pictures around.” He leaned in and whispered, “I don’t like him much, to be honest.”
I had imagined not.
“Look over there,” he said, and pointed with his eyes. “You see those two?”
I saw a couple in their mid-20s chatting next to one of the gates to the old city. He wore a black-leather jacket, she a long brown overcoat and a hijab over her hair. They stood close together but didn’t touch. They looked soft, comfortable and content together as if they were married.
“Five, ten years ago I never saw anything like that. It was absolutely forbidden.”
He told me to take off my shoes as he led me into a mosque. Seeing the handmade carpets, high ceilings, marbled walls, Roman columns, intricate tile work and soft lighting was like slipping into a warm bath for the soul. The heart-stopping beauty and serenity of the mosque in this harsh urban parking garage of a landscape was a strong incentive for piety, I suspected. I’m not religious, but I could see why some sought refuge from the modern in God. Modernity in this oppressive dystopian city was a spectacular galactic-size failure.
He dropped me off at my hotel before dark. Now that I knew the layout of the city, I decided to return to Green Square alone. I wanted to know what the real Tripoli, the not-touristed Tripoli, looked like.
It was worse on foot than by car, and exactly what I expected: all right angles and concrete. Almost everyone in this part of town lived in a low barrackslike compound or a Stalinist tower. Landscaping didn’t exist. There were no smooth edges, no soft sights, nothing to sigh at. Tripoli’s aesthetic brutality hurt me.
Tripoli, Libya
I walked parts of the city hardly any foreigners ever bothered to see. It looked post-apocalyptic, as if it had been evacuated in war or hit with a neutron bomb. The sound of machine-gun fire off in the distance wouldn’t have seemed out of place.
Tripoli, Libya
Less than one percent of the people I saw were women. All those who did go outside wore a hijab over their hair. So much for Qaddafi being a “feminist,” as he claims. Tripoli had as many women out and about as a dust-blown village in the boondocks of Afghanistan.
The few men I did see walked or huddled together. They looked sullen, heavy, severe. I felt raw and exposed, wondering what on earth they must have thought when they saw an obvious foreigner wandering around the desolate streets.
So I did what I could to find out. I smiled at everyone who walked past. You can learn a lot about a people and a place by trying this out. In New York, people ignore you. In Guatemala City, people will stare. In Libya, they all smiled back, every last one of them, no matter how grumpy or self-absorbed they looked two seconds before.
I never detected even a whiff of hostility, not from one single person. Libyans seemed a decent, gentle, welcoming people with terrible luck. It wasn’t their fault the neighborhood stank of oppression.
Most apartment buildings were more or less equally dreary, but one did stand out. Architecturally it was just another modernist horror. But a 6-by-8-foot portrait of Qaddafi was bolted to the façade three stories up. It partially blocked the view from two of the balconies. The bastard couldn’t even leave people alone when they were home.
The posters weren’t funny anymore. There were too damn many of them, for one thing. And, besides, Qaddafi is ugly. He may earn a few charisma points for traveling to Brussels and pitching his Bedouin tent on the Parliament lawn, but he’s no Che Guevara in the guapo department.
I felt ashamed that I first found his portraits even slightly amusing. The novelty wore off in less than a day, and he’s been in power longer than I’ve been alive.
He was an abstraction when I first got there. But after walking around his outdoor laboratory and everywhere seeing his beady eyes and that arrogant jut of his mouth, it suddenly hit me. He isn’t merely Libya’s tyrant. He is a man who would be god.
His Mukhabarat, the secret police, are omniscient. His visage is omnipresent. His power is omnipotent.
And he is deranged. He says he’s the sun of Africa. He threatens to ban money and schools. He vanquished beauty and art. He liquidates those who oppose him. He says he can’t help it if the people of Libya love him so much they plaster his portrait up everywhere. Fuck him. I wanted to rip his face from the walls.
*
If you go to Libya, you simply must visit Ghadames. Known by travelers as the “jewel of the Sahara,” it’s worth all the money and all the hassle you have to put up with to get there.
The entrance to Ghadames
In the early 1980s, Qaddafi’s regime emptied the ancient Berber Saharan city by decree. Everyone was shepherded into the modern concrete “new town,” which begins right outside the mysterious tomblike adobe gates of the old.
The old city doesn’t look like a city when you’re inside. It looks like a vast underground system of tunnels and caves lit by skylights. It’s not underground; it was built with a roof over the top to keep the infernal summer heat out and the meager winter warmth in. Some of the streets (which really are more like passages) are pitch-black even at noon. There was no need for light. The inhabitants had memorized the walls.
A covered street in Ghadames
A Skylit street in Ghadames
It is not a small town. It’s an enormous weatherproofed adobe mini-metropolis. There are seven quarters and seven gates, one for each resident tribe. Everything you expect in a city is there — streets, homes, offices, markets, public squares and mosques, all made of painted mud and sparkling gypsum. The only thing missing from the old city is people.
An exterior street in Ghadames
Ghadames wall art
If Libya were a normal country, and if Ghadames were a normal city, the old city would be packed with hotels, coffee shops, restaurants, bookstores, Internet cafés and desert-adventure tour offices. But Libya is not a normal country, and Ghadames is an unwilling ghost town.
My travel agency replaced Abdul with a second guide for the trip to Ghadames and into the desert. “Yasir,” I said to him. “Why were the people of Ghadames forced out of their homes?”
I knew the answer already. It was part of Qaddafi’s plot to Arabize the Berbers and to construct the New Man. (Berbers are also forbidden to write anything publicly in their own language.) But I wanted to see if a local was permitted to say it. He couldn’t — at least didn’t — answer my question. He only shook his head and laughed nervously. There were others around who could hear.
Ghadames from above
The old city was declared a World Heritage site by UNESCO. A few engineers were inside shoring up the foundations of an old mosque.
“It’s astonishing,” one of them said when I chatted him up. He was an Arab who had studied engineering at a Western university and spoke masterful English in fully formed paragraphs. “The sophistication and aesthetic perfection in the old city contrasts markedly with the failures in the new.”
No kidding. I’ve never seen anything like it anywhere else in the world. Neither have you. Because there is nothing like it anywhere else in the world. And there never will be.
Inside a traditional Berber house in Ghadames that was preserved for tourists to look at
“We’re here to make this place livable again because someday, you know . . .” He trailed off, but I knew what he wished he could say. Someday Qaddafi will die. When his bones are pushing up date palms, the people of Ghadames can abandon their compounds of concrete and move back into the city that’s rightfully theirs.
I returned to the old city at night by myself and saw a single square of light in an upstairs room of an ancient house. The owners are forbidden to stay there at night. But it’s nice to know that some of them still leave the lights on.
*
When you visit another country, it’s inevitable: You are going to meet other travelers. And you’ll almost certainly talk about other places you’ve been. Go to Costa Rica, and conversations will turn to Guatemala and Bolivia. If you hang out in Cancún, you’ll meet people who like the Virgin Islands and Hawaii. In Paris, you’ll hear talk of London, Prague and Vienna.
So what happens when you bump into others in Libya? In Tripoli, I met a photographer who spends every summer in Darfur. Out in the dunes, I met a longhaired, goofy, bespectacled English guy named Felix. This was the first time he had ever set eyes on a desert. (He really went for it.) He had a thing for totalitarian countries. “I like to visit places based on ideas,” he said. Then he checked himself. “That doesn’t mean I like the ideas.”
Sahara Desert near Ghadames
“Where to next, Felix?” I said.
“North Korea, if I can get in.”
“I’d like to see North Korea,” I said. “But after that, what’s left?”
“Only the moon,” he said, and laughed. “This is great, meeting you here. It’s nice to know someone else who’s open to nuttiness.”
The road toward the Grand Erg Oriental from Ghadames
You’ll find nuttiness in Libya even out in the boonies. On the treacherous so-called road from Ghadames into the dunes, someone used an enormous piece of ordnance that looked like a mini—Scud missile to mark a 3-foot chassis-busting hole in the ground.
Yasir couldn’t take me on that road in his van. So we hired Bashir to come with us. He was a burly man with a turban and beard who taught philosophy in school. We didn’t hire him, though, for his brain. We wanted his Land Rover.
Bashir driving me to sand dunes outside Ghadames
The three of us left Ghadames and headed straight toward the Algerian gate only a couple of miles away.
Just beyond it, a 300-foot-tall mountain of sand was piled in layers.
Saharan dunes near Ghadames
“You see that sand,” Bashir said, and pointed. I could hardly take my eyes off it. “Two weeks ago, I drove some Japanese tourists out here. The old guy asked me who built it.” He chuckled and shook his head. “I told him, well, my grandfather worked for a while on that project, but now he’s dead.”
“We can’t go there,” Yasir said. “We must visit Libyan sand. Last month some German tourists were kidnapped right on the other side of the border.”
More than 100,000 people were killed in Algeria over the past several years in a civil war between the secular police state and Islamist fanatics.
“Have you ever been to Algeria?” I asked.
“No one here goes to Algeria,” he said.
We drove over a hill and were surrounded on three sides by dizzying, towering, impossibly sized dunes. We slogged our way to the top, gasping, with calves and thighs burning, not daring to look down, to watch the sun set.
The top was unreal. The desert floor was another world far below ours. If birds were in flight, I could have looked down on them. On the western horizon was the Grand Erg Oriental, a sea of dunes bigger than France that looked from the side like a distant Andes of sand. Bashir made bread and sticky mint tea.
The skyline of the Grand Erg Oriental
I watched the sun go down and the sky go out.
View from the top of the dunes near Ghadames
By Libyan standards, this was radical freedom. Life goes on even in countries like this one. No government, no matter how oppressive, can control all the people all of the time — especially not in the vast, empty Sahara.
We ran down the sand and climbed back into the Land Rover. Bashir hit the gas. He zigged us and zagged us, up, down and across 300-foot-tall dunes along the border with Algeria. At one point — and I couldn’t tell if he was joking or serious — he said we had actually crossed into Algeria.
The stars came out. A full moon rose, turning the sand into silver. We laughed like boys as we rode the dunes in the moonlight.
*
I didn’t go back to Tripoli to hang out in Tripoli. Tourists use the city as a base to visit the spectacular nearby Roman ruins of Sabratha and Leptis Magna. I’m not exactly a ruins buff, but trips to these places came with the package. So I went. And I saw. And I was nearly alone. I shared Leptis Magna with only my guide and some goats. Sabratha would have been empty if the vice president of the Philippines hadn’t dropped by at the same time.
Roman ruins at Leptis Magna
The fabulous Roman theater at Sabratha
But I was glad to be back in Tripoli. This time my hotel was in the Italian quarter, just two blocks from Green Square. Not again would I have to walk through a swath of Stalinist blocks to get to a proper neighborhood.
My new hotel was more upscale than the first. The management (or was it the state?) pretended to have tighter security. The metal detector just inside the entrance wasn’t being watched by a college kid. It was staffed by the military.
Okay, I thought. Now they’re gonna be serious. I stepped through and the metal detector screamed. The soldiers ignored me, joked with each other and never looked up. The same thing happened every single time I walked through it.
Libya is a totalitarian police state. But it’s an awfully lethargic totalitarian police state. It’s been a while, I thought, since anyone there drank the Kool-Aid.
The heater in my room sounded like a chopper over the jungles of ‘Nam. It was broken and stuck forever on “cold,” but the maid left it on anyway. So while it was 60 degrees and cloudy outside, it was a teeth-chattering 50 degrees in my room. I opened the window, and the cold wind off the Mediterranean actually warmed the place up.
A bath could have made me feel better, but the hot-water knob came off in my hand. The hotel had the outward appearance of spiffiness, so I’m sure there was hot water somewhere in the building behind the hole where the knob in my hand had come off. I just couldn’t get to any of it.
The elite were downstairs in the lobby. Slick men in suits, mostly from Arab countries, all but ignored the French delegation that was in town while Jacques Chirac cut new oil deals with Qaddafi. There were no Americans, no tourists and no women. I felt underdressed and out of place in my khakis and sandals, but what could I do? I was in a hard-line, oily-sheened Arab police state. I couldn’t have blended in if I tried — except, perhaps, in one little corner of the Italian quarter.
Italian quarter, Tripoli
If you were dropped from the sky onto the main street that ran through that district, you could be forgiven if you thought you were somewhere in the West. It was strung from one end to the other with hip, cutting-edge perfume and clothing stores. These places had bright lights, colored walls and fancy displays. They piped in Western music through sophisticated sound systems. The salespeople wore snappy, stylish clothes. The customers were young and cool. There were, amazingly, hardly any portraits of Qaddafi in this part of town. (Perhaps the warehouse was out of stock and the new stores had them on back order.)
There was far less commerce in Libya than in most countries, but this little micro-corner was bustling. I found French cheese (but not prohibited wine), Japanese DVD players, Belgian chocolate and Swiss instant coffee.
At first I thought the only coffee shops in the city could be found along a single block on one of the back streets. Old men sat out front in cheap plastic chairs and grumpily smoked hookahs. That didn’t look like very much fun.
But then I found an Italian-style café fronting Green Square. I ordered a double machiato and a cheese pastry, and actually found a nice dainty table. I looked around and thought, heck, this could be Italy or even Los Angeles if it weren’t for the total lack of women around. Globalization penetrates even Arab socialist rogue states these days. And what a relief, really. You’d never know you were in the beating heart of a brutal dictatorship while sitting in that little place.
Both of my guides, Abdul and Yasir, took me to dinner. We could have eaten in the Italian quarter. But no. They had to take me out to the Parking Garage quarter, which is to say, anywhere else but the old city.
I groaned silently to myself. I liked these guys — if not their taste in dining establishments — but I hated being schlepped around all the time and never being asked when or where I wanted to eat.
The only time I truly needed a guide was on the road between Tripoli and Ghadames.
Roadside propaganda in the Libyan desert
I couldn’t read the Arabic road signs. Armed soldiers demanded papers at checkpoints. I was grateful my guides had the stacks of papers prepared. But in the city, I was perfectly capable of finding a place to eat on my own. It wasn’t easy, but it could be done with effort and patience.
I appreciated the hospitality, even though it was bought and paid for. Abdul and Yasir seemed to enjoy “buying” my dinner, but I felt micromanaged and baby-sat. Come here, look at that, sit there, eat this. They were great guys. But I lusted for solitude. If I said so, they would have been offended.
They took me to a restaurant in a neighborhood that was downright North Korean, it was so chock-full of concrete.
“We really hope you like this place,” Yasir said.
It wasn’t quite as bad as a parking garage, but it was a near miss. The main floor was reserved for a wedding, so we were shepherded upstairs to a huge, dimly lit room mostly empty of tables. The wedding party hadn’t arrived yet. There was no one else in the building.
I didn’t know what to say in this gloomy warehouse of a restaurant. I felt like we were the only people out for dinner that night in all of Libya. Abdul and Yasir hoped I would like this place? Oh, the poor dears. I was embarrassed for them and wondered what tourist in his right mind would come to Libya when he could go to Tunisia, Morocco or Turkey instead.
*
Worlds can’t meet worlds. But people can meet people. I forget who said that, but I like it, and I thought about it as I walked around inside Libya, hanging out, and talking to regular folks.
In a nation where so many report to the secret police, where a sideways word can get you imprisoned or killed, walking around blue-eyed and palefaced with an American accent has its advantages. I met one shopkeeper who opened right up when he and I found ourselves alone in his store.
“Do Americans know much about Libya?” he said.
“No,” I said. “Not really.”
He wanted to teach me something about his country, but he didn’t know where to start. So he recited encyclopedia factoids.
He listed the principal resources while counting his fingers. I stifled a smirk when he named the border states. (I had looked at a map.) When he told me Arabic was the official language, I wondered if he thought I was stupid or deaf.
“And Qaddafi is our president,” he said. “About him, no comment.” He laughed, but I don’t think he thought it was funny.
Propaganda carved into the side of a mountain says “Al Fateh Forever,” referring to Qaddafi’s one-man “revolution”
“Oh, come on,” I said. “Comment away. I don’t live here.”
He thought about that. For a long drawn-out moment, he calculated the odds and weighed the consequences. Then the dam burst.
“We hate that fucking bastard, we have nothing to do with him. Nothing. We keep our heads down and our mouths shut. We do our jobs, we go home. If I talk, they will take me out of my house in the night and put me in prison.
“Qaddafi steals,” he told me. “He steals from us.” He spoke rapidly now, twice as fast as before, as though he had been holding back all his life. He wiped sweat off his forehead with trembling hands. “The oil money goes to his friends. Tunisians next door are richer and they don’t even have any oil.”
“I know,” I said. “I’m sorry.”
“We get three or four hundred dinars each month to live on. Our families are huge, we have five or six children. It is a really big problem. We don’t make enough to take care of them. I want to live in Lebanon. Beirut is the second Paris. It is civilized! Women and men mix freely in Lebanon.”
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Almost everybody I know thought I was crazy to travel to Libya. The unspoken fear was that someone might kill me.
Well, no. Nobody killed me. Nobody even looked at me funny. I knew that’s how it would be before I set out. Still, it’s nice to have the old adage “people are people” proven through experience.
Libyans are fed a steady diet of anti-Americanism, but it comes from a man who has kicked them in the stomach and stomped on their face for more than a third of a century. If they bought it, they sure didn’t act like it.
I crossed paths with a middle-aged Englishman in the hallway.
“Is this a good hotel?” he asked.
It sure beat my last place in town. At least I wasn’t stranded out by the towers.
“It’s a good hotel,” I said, not really believing it but grateful for what I had.
“I think it’s bloody awful,” he said.
I laughed. “Well, yes,” I said. “I was just trying to be nice. You should see the place where I stayed when I first got here.”
I heard footsteps behind me, turned around, and faced two Arab men wearing coats and ties and carrying briefcases. One wore glasses. The other was bald.
“It has been a long time since I heard that accent,” said the man with the glasses.
I smiled. “It’s been a long time since this accent was here,” I said. Until just a few months ago, any American standing on Libyan soil was committing a felony.
“We went to college together,” he said, and jerked his thumb toward his friend. “In Lawrence, Kansas, during the ’70s.”
“Yes,” his friend said as he rubbed the bald spot on his head. The two were all smiles now as they remembered. “We took a long road trip up to Seattle.”
“We stayed there for two weeks!” said the first. He sighed like a man recalling his first long-lost love. I watched both their faces soften as they recalled the memories of their youth and adventures abroad in America.
“What a wonderful time we had there,” said the second.
They invited me out to dinner, but I was getting ready to leave. I didn’t want to say no. They looked like they wanted to hug me.
We shook hands as we departed. And as I stepped into the elevator, the first man put his hand on his heart. “Give two big kisses to Americans when you get home,” he said. “From two people in Libya who miss you so much.”
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Great piece Michael, I hope all have listened closely to Qaddafi’s son “Blood will flow”…. http://www.google.com/search?q=blood+will+flow&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=blood+will+flow&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=uDe&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivnsu&tbs=mbl:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=7qNhTeqjIcbpgAfsmYnfAg&ved=0CC8Q5QU&bav=on.1,or.&fp=7f74980fdfcac807
Cyrenaica–capital Benghazi – is very different from Tripolitania-capital Tripoli.
Different tribes and huge divisions between Berbers and Arabs.
Libya is a made up country– about a cohesive as the Balkans were—Zero.
Civil war is a real possibility and Egypt will support Cyrenaica-Benghazi –which will be in Egypt’s economic interests.
From a tourist point of view–Libya – both east and west has some great Greek and Roman ruins but the Benghazi region is much more attractive in terms of climate, fauna and archeology.
Incidentally, why was a chunk of Ethiopia and Eritrea absent from Qadaffi’s map of North Africa?
Stunning and shocking report! I have many Libyan international college students and consider them among my very favorites. I had no idea what a pit their country is. I had pictured it as a place like Morocco with fabulous buildings, souks, etc. No wonder the people are fed up.
I assume things have only gone downhill since you were there. Thanks for the photos.
http://sepmstrata.org/Libya-Hassan/Libyan-Figures/Fig11.gif Qaddafi’s son said the energy is in the Middle. Most is either in the East or South.
Victor, Michael’s article isn’t about tourism. Your past comment was for the US to stay out of Libya. Now you know what Egypt’s interests are? They seem to involve a potential failure to inspect Suez shipping for illegal cargo….
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2011/02/16/Gazprom-looks-at-Libyas-oil-reserves/UPI-99051297870528/
hxxp://www.theodora.com/pipelines/north_africa_pipelines_map.jpg
You know, I’m honestly scared of the results of Egypt’s “revolution,” but I hope the Libyan people choke that bastard Ghaddafi to death.
American interests at this point are to condemn violence in Libya, particularly the firing of the the equivalent of .50 BMG ball ammunition into unarmed crowds.
There are no real surprises here, General Petraeaus is a very smart guy.
While Libya is out of the CENTCOM AOR –he has a broader view of these matters.
times change-fundamental interests endure
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Is it in the USA’s interest for the Turkish military to train the Syrian military? How so?
I can see it now… Kadhaffi: The Movie, starring Sylvester Stallone! (Make it interesting and not end badly and that’s what you’ve got to look forward to, Moummar.)
Victor: Different tribes and huge divisions between Berbers and Arabs.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. So, stop talking.
Victor: American interests at this point are to condemn violence in Libya, particularly the firing of the the equivalent of .50 BMG ball ammunition into unarmed crowds.
The US has no “interests” in this matter, but the US has already condemned the violence. That’s not enough for you? And why do you mention General Petraeus and CENTCOM? Are you expecting US troops to be deployed? Again, you have no idea what you’re talking about. So, stop talking.
Del, Victor thinks it was in America’s interests for the Turkish terror flotilla to be deployed to Gaza. Victor thinks we should invite the IRGC into Afghanistan to “help” us with the Taliban. God help us all if anyone in the US executive branch or DoD started thinking as Victor does.
Victor, while you are deciding on how countries should be broken up, though, what do you think should happen to India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran? What is General Petraeaus’s opinion? Have you spoken to him about it yet?
Reality check.
http://www.facebook.com/martinkramer.page/posts/191380420883333
Michael,
Another great re-print! I remembered the Berber village and picture, and the sad dunes, and the reality that normal folk hate the dictator and the fact that they are afraid of speaking the truth.
Too bad you didn’t make an e-book of your already written great blog posts — to have another “published” book for those who read your new book and want more right away.
Glad you went to PJ media; why also PowerLine? And how do you like those conservatives?
Tom, Powerline was just a temporary thing, a few guest posts.
Gaddafi is a creep.
You know, I’m honestly scared of the results of Egypt’s “revolution,” but I hope the Libyan people choke that bastard Ghaddafi to death.
Unfortunately, the other arab despots watched and learned more about what happened in Egypt than the people in their countries did. The revolt in Egypt was a couple of years in the making, the revolts in other countries have been spontaneous. They don’t have the planning, the communications channels, the networks, or the contacts with foreign media to ensure the word gets out.
And what Gaddafi learned from Egypt is that his own military might follow the Egyptian example and refuse to fire on peaceful protesters.
So he hired mercenaries.
Libya has gone ugly.
If anyone has sources of info on what is going on in there, please post them.
Ugh. What a combo: socialist and Islamist. Could it get any worse?
Personally, I think that Madison, Wisconsin should be put under General Petraeus and CENTCOM – before the insurgency gets out of hand.
Hopefully, the Libyan people will take a lesson from an American with practical experience in North Africa as they face Qaddafi’s thugs. To paraphrase George S. Patton
“The goal is not to die for your revolution, but to make the other dumb bastard die for the Al-Fateh Revolution”
Great read! (read it before)
It really reminds me of parts of Eastern Europe when the soviets were around
when I was a kid.
In regards to the anti-despotic movements in the middle east, I see a few
things resulting from it.
1) I’m not so sure that the Muslim Brotherhood will turn the country into
a Western enemy. I see the military allowing free elections. I see the
Brotherhood winning significant power. However, I think the Egyptians (with a large youth vote) will protect their new democratic institutions. I’m sure they will not want another non-removable despot. I also can’t see Iranian styled rigged elections being accepted there either. One must remember that the US has a degree of influence over the military because of the massive funding it supplies (hence I can’t see the military not handing over power either).
2) I see Libya’s regime falling if the reports coming out of the country are true. When you reach a point where you can’t trust your military and have to resort to hiring mercs to shoot protesters, you’ve reached severe desperation. As more and more footage of this comes out, its just going to flame the resolve of the protesters.
3) Iran I’m not so sure about. The regime there has had time and practice to prepare for this. The first time around, it almost seemed change was going to occur. The leadership was slow to respond but now they know the dangers. We can only hope that the so far successful revolts will push events in Iran.
The more regimes that fall, the stronger the domino effect becomes. I would over never guessed that the Libya revolt could of got this far a week ago.
Seriously Dikehopper? Fortunately some moderate Republicans have offered a compromise……
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12523669
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/libyan-islamists-seize-arms-take-hostages-20110221-1b19c.html
It must be frustrating being a middle east investigative reporter these days. By the time you finish a story its ancient history.
http://defensetech.org/2011/02/20/the-air-force-wants-a-new-bunker-buster-bomb-for-the-f-35/ That is, the US wants one small enough for the F-35. Of course we can already make one that using the simple principle of mass x velocity. The new manned bomber and likely some of the drones we’re testing will carry new generation bunker busters and don’t be surprised the explosive force reached .5 kilotons or better. The B-1 and other platforms can presently lift and launch these munitions now. It just takes a rocket scientist….
How much load can Herons lift Render? This idea, along with Rail and Dew, is the clock Iran and company are facing. By the end of the decade, their
advanced” technology will be actually quite old.
Bob, Michael’s re-post shows how ancient modern convulsions are……
Michael’s recorded emotion is exactly how many Qaddafi-defiers feel today.
“If anyone has sources of info on what is going on in there, please post them.”
http://anarabscontemplations.blogspot.com/
Michael, thanks for the reprint: enjoyed it very much. I did have to use google earth to find some the regions you visited. I just finished the book, “Sahara Unveiled” that is about a journalist traveling through the Sahara desert from Algers south to Niger to Dakar, Senegal — great must read to understand the region a bit more from a western view. I’d love to go there someday – maybe I’m a bit uncorked as well!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/world/africa/22libya.html Qaddafi retreats or so says the NYT……
Max – IAI Herons have a published lift capacity of 550lbs.
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Victor (you dumbfuck) – Nobody, on either side, in Libya is using .50 BMG, because nobody in Libya has Browning .50cal machine guns. All of the Libyan heavy machine guns are of Soviet pattern, if not make. You could have Googled that up all by yourself the last time I told you that.
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Render, Victor isn’t “all there”.
Like I first suggested here a year ago; IAI needs lift to deliver what they already know will do the job. F-35s would pretty useless without a weappon that can destroy bunkers. Drones that can lift hypersonic missiles like X-47bs is what the enemy fears…
DEW is critical in blinding and disabling, even deflecting and destroying. I am really surprised mini-reactors and fuel cell technology is not up front and center, but that applies to DARPA as well.
Money needs to feed the right infants….so they grow up big and strong…
And of course, a half a kiloton impact is a game changer, that is, one without fallout…..
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/02/science-visualizations-gallery/?pid=1025
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http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/02/21/middle-east-experts-got-saif-qaddafi-exactly-backward-didnt-they/ Michael got it right…
Air raid by mirages over Benghazi and Tripoli,against civilians …
“UN” remains strangely silent,no “emergency reunion” called up ??
Are these only to occur when Jews build in their beloved Jerusalem and Judea ?????
What a disgusting world we live on !
It looks like Qaddafi is gone.
These revolutions are occurring all over the middle-east. Even the Beijing leaders are getting concerned. Perhaps North Korea will be next.
This must be an exciting time for you, Michael.
Gadaffi is on his way to Venezuela.
Senior officers of Libyan air force have defected to Malta in protest against attacks by fighter jets on unarmed civilian crowds in Benghazi and Tripoli.
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
Libyan ambassadors to UN are calling for Libya to be declared a no fly zone and for Gadaffi to step down.
The problem for Europe will be both a huge increase in gas prices and more seriously in the longer term a massive flood of illegal immigrants and refugees moving from Africa to Libyas 2000 mile porous coast line–and from there to S Europe.
Daffy Duck has taken flight! I’m going to guess that freedom will swell in the hearts of Libyans. And, it’s rather a good thing the buildings, built soviet style, are so far apart. Because that’s how you put fires in, to get the cockroaches, out.
Hey, Daffy Duck doesn’t have all that many jets! Planes and helicopters headed for Malta. Wanna bet that the UN may make a test case and put Daffy Duck in the dock?
While reading Michael’s account, I was reminded of many aspects from the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. I just can’t imagine what it is like, on a very day-to-day basis, to live in countries like that. I would imagine that some despair, some rage, but most go through the day-to-day motions of life and take what few pleasures they can?
We here in the U.S. are lucky. That is, as individuals – lucky purely by accident of birth. I think about that often – luck by chance of birth.
Max – I was, of course, lightheartedly teasing you-know-who.
Fortunately some moderate Republicans have offered a compromise…… But I am not a moderate. It is probably fair to call me a right-winger. (That’s just how my politics falls. I take no offense to the term.) So I don’t see any compromise offer to leftist politicians and the teachers’ union as “fortunate.” They seem to have dug themselves into a hole and, as far as I am concerned, let them try to crawl out on their own.
Del wrote on another blog: “To me this is the greatest advertising campaign I’ve ever seen for promoting home-schooling.” Heh, I have been thinking exactly the same thing. But I would add school vouchers.
Great article, Michael. I spent a lot of time in Libya a few years ago, helping to shut down the clandestine nuclear program. What a cesspool. Your descriptions are perfect.
Many nice people, I agree, and not anti-American on a personal level. Just a really lousy government.
Hard to tell what all of this is going to come to. But were not the drivers seat.
So time to sit back, hang on and hope.
Mr. Totten,
Admittedly, I’m floored the Libyans are ‘succeeding’ so to speak in ousting their dingleberry autocrat.
Gaddafi controls the North and West area of Africa in a myriad of areas it’s truly astounding and a very welcome sight from these eyes.
I only hope matters will be a shift towards a democratic state.. time will tell.
Hopes and prayers for Americans with Libyan lineage and their families abroad..
What becomes of Daffy Duck’s all female amazonian guard?
Hugo brings further attention to himself. He will now mix Qaddafi’s network with Iran’s. Hizb’Allah cells in Northern Mexico have been reported. Events in the Red Sea. More truth or consequence…..on President’s Day. Where is Libya’s money?
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Admitting terminal cynicism, populations without a history of, let alone personal experience with the inherently frustrating and messy nature of representative democracy will thrash until those with the biggest stick step to the front. After which is anyone’s guess.
I thought the following chain of writing regarding journalists/Middle East experts was more than interesting.
First, Victor Davis Hanson briefly describes his trip to Libya (implicitly confirming Michael Totten’s observations): http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/260280/libya-without-gaddafi-what-expect-what-watch-victor-davis-hanson
Omri Ceren on (alleged) Middle East journalists/experts, comparing them to Michael Totten: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/02/21/middle-east-experts-got-saif-qaddafi-exactly-backward-didnt-they/
Michael Rubin continues from Omri Ceren regarding these (alleged) journalists, academics and some ex-U.S. government officials: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/02/21/libyas-gravy-train/ (Stephen Walt’s article confirms that he is a moron. That is, as if anyone any longer needed confirmation that he is a moron. In this case, how could someone with his supposed credentials not have heard of “Potemkin villages,” i.e. fake, staged, presentations?)
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For now, there are many conflicting reports coming out of and regarding Libya. News services are stressing that much of what they report can’t be confirmed.
Just finished chatting with a friend in Tripoli… There’s many gunshots and bombing throughout the city. Seems to be getting worse.
Ruhan wrote, ‘Incidentally, why was a chunk of Ethiopia and Eritrea absent from Qadaffi’s map of North Africa?’
Neither has a Muslim majority population.
What is also sad (as if there hasn’t been enough sadness in Libya over the past few days) are the seemingly frantic calls from Libyans on social media for UN intervention. I suppose this is the fault of the UN itself. It likes to see itself as some sort of global government; as a legislative body churning out “international laws” but it isn’t a government, it is merely a diplomatic mission. And I am afraid that help from the UN won’t be coming.
Michael,
Not to toot my own horn (well, OK, yes to toot my own horn), I did point out last week that you were too quick to write off Libya as a potential site for anti-despotism unrest.
He has not been ruthless enough to stop this — he needed to turn Tripoli into Hama (Syria, 1982) and either he lacks the nerve to do it, or the support to do it – his security forces and Army are not all on the same page as him.
Yes, Eric, and you were right. The reason I wrote off Libya was because I knew how much more vicious Qaddafi is than Ben Ali and Mubarak. And I wasn’t wrong about that.
Egypt,Tunisia and EU forces—- using Malta as a base can impose a no fly zone over Libya under UN mandate within hours.
The cost of such a mission should be taken from Gadaffis personal assets.
If the UN lets another Rwanda happen in Egypt then it is time to re-engineer a la Bolton the UN and move its headquarters to some low rent 3rd world swamp.
The US assets CVN-65 and CVN-70 are in the area and US AFRICOM can provide C3 but– again –all costs for such operations should taken from Gadaffis personal wealth.
That will ” encourage the others” or rather “discourage” other despots.
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” If the UN lets another Rwanda happen in LIBYA then it is time to re-engineer a la Bolton the UN and move its headquarters to some low rent 3rd world swamp”.
It is incredible that the UN has not already imposed a no fly zone–given that Libya is
–using naval assets, fighter jets, anti aircraft weapons and .50 BMG rounds –to slaughter unarmed civilians.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/02/21/Iran-US-warships-face-down-in-Suez/UPI-96131298337983/
Qaddafi fights to hang on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12533069
Oil: hxxp://www.platts.com/RSSFeedDetailedNews/RSSFeed/Oil/8570234
hxxp://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Tripoli,+Tarabulus,+Libya&aq=0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.313287,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Tripoli,+Tarabulus,+Libya&ll=32.904664,13.217682&spn=0.00111,0.002747&t=h&z=19 Navy
“He has not been ruthless enough to stop this — he needed to turn Tripoli into Hama (Syria, 1982) and either he lacks the nerve to do it, or the support to do it”
He might still do that. I am seeing reports of more planes landing in Tripoli bringing in more foreign mercenaries from Ghana, Zimbabwe, and Kenya. These foreigners will have no problems shooting Libyans. I am also hearing reports that the foreigners are shooting at ambulances and murdering doctors in the hospitals.
The results in Benghazi might be temporary. This is a ruthless man. As long as he is still there and is still able to pay cash money, he has an army.
This interesting backgrounder makes noteworthy points:
“Gadhafi’s hold on power is suddenly under threat”
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/21/gadhafis-hold-power-suddenly-threat/
“the lack of a clear institutional system in Libya thanks to the very system he set up, and the absence of any kind of established opposition bloc, leaves open the question of who could fill the vacuum.”
“Libyans could find their vast oil wealth being fought over by various tribal groups.”
“a member of OPEC, (Libya) produces almost 1.6 million barrels per day of crude. About 80 percent of its exports go to Europe.”
But, fear not…”I am here to show that I am in Tripoli and not in Venezuela. Don’t believe those misleading dog stations,” the Brother Leader proclaims.
For now.
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So, Victor, you are for real advocating UN and/or US military intervention? The US should not – and I do believe will not – ever send peacekeepers into a Muslim country again. The UN might, but peacekeepers can only be deployed with consent. To deploy them without consent would be an act of war, which would be contradictory to their mission statement. So what you are really proposing with your talk of intervention is a UN declared war. The UN has only gone to war twice. Once vs Korea and once vs Saddam Hussein. It’s remotely possible that the UN Security Council would approve a war, but it isn’t very likely. Best to work on ideas that are more in the realm of the possible, and in the realm of the helpful.
If we don’t already have people there on the ground in some form, I would be embarrassed.
Time for a break for some much-needed lighter entertainment….
http://hurryupharry.org/2011/02/21/erdogan-wont-return-gaddafi-human-rights-prize/
(All this mowing down of one’s own people is so distressing—but not, apparently, for everyone.)
Michael,
You’re an Oregonian. How does the desert compare with Jesse Honeyman State Park on the Oregon Coast?
Warren: How does the desert compare with Jesse Honeyman State Park on the Oregon Coast?
It doesn’t. Dunes in Libya are hundreds of feet tall, and the seas of sand are bigger than France.
http://www.informationdissemination.net/2011/02/ungoverned-african-coastline-is.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0222/Iran-warships-enter-Suez-Canal
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/news.php?p=929 Jets landing in Malta
Max – Mirage F1AD’s. Primarily ground-attack day fighter, limited air-to-air capability. The outer pylons of both aircraft are carrying Matra 68mm unguided rocket pods. Those pods automatically drop off when the last rocket leaves the pod. The inner pylons of both aircraft appear to have been used on that last flight.
Libya had at least 14 Mirage F1AD’s at one point, the majority of which were very recently refurbished by Dassault.
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Yes Render, I was wondering whether the pods were for fuel or bombs. I suppose the pilot will have some explaining. Will data show recent flight activity?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/22/us-libya-protests-idUSTRE71G0A620110222 Well, by all means, die Qaddafi and save the international legal system some added and unnecessary expense.
http://www.informationdissemination.net/2011/02/meanwhile-off-libya-at-sea.html
Mr. Dalton’s drivel: hxxp://www.rferl.org/content/iranian_naval_ships_enter_suez_canal/2316813.html
The political cartoon of the day would be a human chain of Western pundits, anchors and representatives, each with their heads up the next one’s ass.
It is not the capabilities of either ship, but what they carry to the terrorist group HIzb’Allah or their partner Assad. What if Iran is setting up China or the US? False flag ring a bell? In short, the US, Nato and Israel have every international right to inspect both Iranian ships for illegal materials or sink them.
I rather doubt Obama’s going to have a JFK moment.
VICTOR – For the third and final time, NOBODY in Libya is using .50cal BMG guns or ammunition.
There are no (none, nada, nien, nyet, zilch) Browning M2 .50cal machine guns in the Libyan military inventory.
.50cal BMG is 12.7x99mm.
All of the .50cal machine guns in the Libyan inventory are Russian/Chinese make, mostly DShK types, which use a 12.7x108mm round.
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Max – Those inner pylons are also plumbed and wired for fuel tanks. But they wouldn’t have needed the extra fuel for either anti-civilain strikes in country, the flight to Malta, or both. All is/are within the F1AD’s normal flight range. (It’s around 220 miles from Tripoli to Malta).
There is a combo fuel/rocket pod version but that’s not what’s in those pictures. The combo version is roughly twice as long.
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A reader at Instapundit notes: “As we learn of Gaddafi’s violence against peaceful civilian protesters, let us not forget that the United Nation General Assembly voted in 2010 to give Libya a seat on the Human Rights Council.”
From the Turkish website Today’s Zaman: “In response to growing calls from Turkish society on Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to return the Al-Gaddafi International Prize for Human Rights he received last year, the Prime Ministry said yesterday that “returning the award is out of the question.”” I have to ask what type of person would accept an Al-Gaddafi human rights prize in the first place?
I think the UN is “considering” removing Libya from Human Rights Council (and Iran?).
They think “leverage” is banning Qaddafi from seeking asylum later on if he doesn’t yield now.
Italy has the biggest investment and oil deliveries….
http://maltatoday.com.mt/news/libya/defecting-libyan-air-force-fighter-planes-identified
More than 400 air craft extensively used….
More than 50 helicopters….used where?
The Pakistanis have the full spectrum of pylons…for the Mirage…
What is all this military capacity for?
How much capacity has Qaddafi lost so far?
“While the base was destroyed, the two planes took to the air and defected.
However, other sources have said that the pilots latest version is that they were ordered to take to the air and bombard the protestors in various parts of Benghazi where the situation is dramatic and civilians have taken over military assets.
The pilots decided to make a run and flee to Malta, explaining why the planes were fully armed.
The two mirages are the pride and glory of the Libyan airforce, The Dassault Mirage F1 is a French air-superiority fighter and attack aircraft designed . More than 700 F1s have been produced.most significantly because almost all of its users have used it in wars and regional conflicts.
The size of the Libyan Air Force is 22 000 persons including 15 000 conscripts. It has 426 combat aircraft and 52 armed helicopters.” Malta Today
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Libya—Air/Antonov-An-72/1857354/L/&sid=be8d5bda926e56feb724dffafab5b4d2 Gas er up…
I heard on the radio, about an hour ago, that Brother Leader exhorted Libyans to prove their love, for their nation and for him, by defeating the protesters.
Man, talk about setting yourself up…
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc3_1298346903
Mercenaries active in Libya from Chad, Nigeria, Sudan and other African countries are armed with 12.7 × 99 mm Browning M2HB machine guns and .50 sniper rifles.
Medical wound reports and photos of cartridges show the use of .50 BMG rounds against unarmed civilians in eastern Libya.
The Arab League is doing nothing
Gadaffi looks and acts like he is on amphetamines—looks like he will be found in a spider hole–like Saddam
Victor – Your link shows no .50cal weapons at all, not a single one. It shows two dead guys on the hood of a civvie Land Rover. The only firearm even seen in the video is one douchbag in the crowd blazing away at the sky with a 9mm or 7.65mm handgun as the Land Rover drives away with bodies still tied to the hood.
Why would Qadaffi’s peopel allow mercenaries to bring their own heavy weapons and large caliber ammo into the country, when the Libyan military can provide their heavy weapons and ammo, much more cheaply from already existing stockpiles?
Feel free to provide a real link to photos of those “cartridges” in Libya at any time. Noting that the word “cartridge” denotes an unfired round of ammo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2sAFHBptJE
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Way back in the late 1970′s the Libyan supported Chadian rebels had some M-2 machine guns that were liberated from the French supplied government troops. It’s extremely unlikely that any of those guns remain in service considering the hard use and poor maintenence they underwent at the time and the arms embargos that followed.
SHOOTY
NO
SHOOTY,
R
I saw some photos yesterday that appeared to be civilians holding spent .50 caliber cartridges.
Crosspatch – I have no doubt that .50cal is being used (as are 30mm cannon and 68mm rockets via the Mirages). But until I see a headstamp or weapon, it’s 12.7x108mm, not 12.7x99mm BMG.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12.7x108mm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG
TOO
MANY
TABS,
R
I wonder if anything bad happened to Ahmed. Even though I’m sure Michael changed his name, the Libyans could easily find out who his guide was in Tripoli. And he quoted Ahmed as saying he doesn’t like Qaddafi…
So does anybody know if there’s an Islamist presence in the country? Or will they identify Islam with oppression? If they like the US because of Qaddafi’s anti-Western propaganda, maybe they’ll be cool with Israel’s existence, as well. Wishful hoping…
The story of the shopkeeper who hated Qaddafi reminded me of a Palestinian man selling drinks near Jericho (in PA land) ranting against Arafat. Of course I was wearing a kipa, so he might have just been trying to sell me drinks. But if that was ever a popular feeling it obviously went nowhere fast…
David – Yes. LIFG…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Islamic_Fighting_Group
Which seems to have split in half several years ago. One group now supports Qaddafi, the other retains leadership positions in al-Qaeda.
DETAILED
FILES,
R
“I have to ask what type of person would accept an Al-Gaddafi human rights prize in the first place?”
The leader of a country that committed genocide and won’t even acknowledge it
“The leader of a country that committed genocide and won’t even acknowledge it”
- Victor’s country, even though the repulsive Jew-baiting toad keeps lying, falsely claiming to be an American.