Some Marines seem to have pissed on the cadavers of some Taliban in Afghanistan. We don’t know when or exactly where. It may well have taken place some time ago; a military friend suggests that at least two of the alleged miscreants are no longer in the Corps, and a spokesman at Camp Lejeune said that some of the four have left the battalion in which they served — last year — in Afghanistan. But no matter. Our leaders are in a panic. Hillary and Panetta are horrified, and their public comments verge on hysteria (Panetta called the behavior “utterly deplorable” and Hillary expressed “total dismay”). Afghan President Karzai, a noted humanitarian, declared it “inhumane.” Our full military investigative apparatus, last seen prosecuting Marines subsequently found innocent, is in full activity, and no doubt heads, if not other parts of the anatomy, will be figuratively sliced off.
I wonder if they know there’s a war on, and what sorts of things routinely happen in wartime. It may well be that they are so involved in trying to extend yet another outstretched hand to our enemies, that they are really shocked at the very idea that men on the battlefield aren’t devotees of Emily Post’s rules of etiquette, and even violate the Geneva Convention’s strictures against desecrating dead bodies.
Yes, I condemn the pissing. It violates the Marines’ own rules, and, as a two-time Marine dad, I want to be proud of my Marines, and I want them to follow the rules. For extras, these guys — assuming, as I do, that the video is “real” — were monumentally stupid when they made the video, and supermonumentally stupid when they put it online. So by all means punish them. And while you’re at it, haul their commander in front of a JAG tribunal and find out what he knew, when he knew it, and why he didn’t lead his men as he’s supposed to.
But our leaders’ tone is all wrong, and needless to say, the media feeding frenzy is typical of the breed. I’ve been telling friends for months now that the Marines are winning in Afghanistan. I always add, “it’s obvious, isn’t it? You don’t read much of anything about their activities, which obviously means they’re doing well.” The media pack doesn’t want you to know that, so they don’t report it, and it’s not mainly because they don’t have correspondents willing and able to do it. It’s not even because the news is hard to come by. All you have to do is read the material coming out of ISAF (the International Security Assistance Force) in Kabul, for example this photo essay that’s headlined “Afghan, Marine forces clear remnants of insurgency in southern Helmand.” That’s the area from which the Brits — who are plenty good fighters — withdrew because it was just too bloody. The Marines cleaned it up, and they are now advising the Afghans how to conduct a mopup operation.
those marines can have a drink on me .
I’ll pick up half the tab and bet you the MSM released it to justify cutting the defense department
While you’re at it, how about buying aitch (H) a one way ticket out of WADC. Look, gang. A bunch of young Marines made a mistake. (Not the p!ssing incident, but photoing it!) They had to know this would go viral. Sounds to me like they just didn’t think it through. Now, understanding these are soldiers – America’s finest, btw. (My Dad; 4X medal winning Marine before he was 20 in the WW2 PTO.) – are up to date on war and not politics, someone might have advised them about the L-I-B-E-R-A-L Moonbattery in America who would run with it. OK?
OK, damage done. But as far as I’ve read into the comments here, I’ve seen one salient point (“So, is President Obama to be held responsible for this? I recall President Bush was held personally responsible for Abu Ghriab?”) and one completely MISSED point.
That being, we ARE under the crushing thumb of a horrible enemy; a regime that has attacked us without provocation, spread through our society and wishes to destroy our way of life. Er, at least until we can vote him out in November!
Seriously, aitch has been apologizing to the world about American Exceptionalism since he first started running for potus. (Lower case intented.) And it continues. He, hillary and the military brass preempted this issue by apologizing, trotting out the “That’s not who we are” talking point, begging for forgiveness and promising swift action since this incident went viral.
What would a TRUE leader do? Maybe tell Karzai that he doesn’t condone this. (If for no other reason than to keep the “other” party in congress off his a$$!) THEN tell him, “We have a military court to deal with our own. Were Americans commit crimes, WE hold court. We don’t allow foreign countries to dispense ‘justice’ to American citizens. Now, you want us out? Bye!”
Friends, (and foes) I’m likely too passionate about this to zero in on a single point. But as close as I can; “No, we will not let you drag these marines through the streets 1/2 alive as your home-grown terrorists are wont to do. No, we won’t apologize any further than we already have. And, finally, no, we won’t continue to spill OUR blood to protect your poppy fields if you are so damned indignant. We’re outta here!”
As for the rest of the world, to include the bleeding hearts in America who seem to have forgotten the butchery visited on OUR troops (NTM, their own citizenry!) and why we’re there!
I’ll close; “obama, QUIT apologizing for ME or you’re fired!” (Actually, he’s on my list of people to fire anyway.) Sempre fi!
I’ll buy the second round
Re: 3 suggestions –
Hear, hear!!!
I am in the Army and I DO NOT condemn the pissing. We are fighting these people for a reason. The Taliban are despicable people, and for arm-chair schmuckslike these, to sit around and judge is laughable
yes, the Taliban are despicable people. But the way to win this conflict is to convince the local civilian population of that, and of us being the good guy.
By adopting the Taliban’s own style of behaviour as our own, we sink to their level, certainly in the eyes of the locals.
So we must always choose the moral high ground, unless our own lives are at stake (I’ve no qualms about napalming a town rather than sending in a few hundred soldiers on foot if it’s a known ambush for example).
In this case however, there was no reason for what these guys did. It was even against their own rules, against our law, a law they are sworn to uphold and protect.
And that’s why these kids should be punished, not because they violated someone’s sensitivities but because they broke the law and rules of the US Marine Corps (and no doubt Army as well).
Leavenworth? Hell no. But an administrative sentence, maybe book them a few weeks of pay and kick them out of the chain for promotion.
Your ‘moral highground’ bs is offensive actually, These dead tangos are lucky; rather than slicing the heads of live people, they are peed on after they are dead.War is hell, and sh*t happens!
I toast these marines, although whoever filmed it, and released it would be interesting to know.
This blame lies on Obama, as they blamed all ill’s in the past on Bush – so where is yourcomplaint against Onama?
The “local civilian population” is accustomed to people getting their heads sawn off with hunting knives for a pre-marital roll in the hay. Me thinks that pissing on a couple of dead guys isn’t really going to phase them much. Nor do I think that it falls below what the locals are capable of. These Marines are not bringers of peace. They are bringers of swift retribution and terrible justice. That’s what wins wars. “Winning the hearts and minds of the people” should take a back seat to the utter destruction and demoralization of the Taliban. The reason the civilian population is so reluctant to embrace the Marines is that we failed on that point.
I presume that these men are deceased as the result of some high speed slugs of lead lobbed in their general direction by the Marines in question. The faux outrage at the latter pissing seems somewhat laughable when viewed in light of the former shooting.
Uh, Moisterizing the cadavers before their journey to hell was not remotely similar to what the Talinazis do as a routine. So can your indignation.
Speaking of nazis, wasn’t it George Patton who pissed into the Rhine on his way into Germany?
the video is in the blog post. good to know everyone reads the post before commenting…
When our troops rolled through Okinawa, they encountered some of the most brutal, desperate fighters the world had ever seen. To demonstrate they were up to the challenge, our tank commanders ordered severed heads of the dead enemy be impaled on spikes on the tanks as they rolled through the towns and villages. It may have shocked the prissy ladies back home at the Garden Club, but it impressed the Imperial Army. And these were hard to impress, considering Bataan and Corregidor.
J.T.
I agree hole heartily. As being a US Navy Vet, I find this very wrong. I don’t care how frustrated or pissed off you get show some kind of discipline! Your Marines for gods sake! Supposedly the best trained and disciplined representative of the USA! This, unfortunately, reflects on ALL soldiers not just YOU!
I wonder how our collective morals as a nation started to decline?
I personally belive it is God who is missing in most peoples lives. With this in mind
what do you think God would say about your behavior? Or do you not care about God?
Just throwin’ it out there for thought process. Don’t be hatin’ on me!
Mr. Wenting: “By adopting the Taliban’s own style of behaviour … style of behavior? Are you per chance referring to the Taliban’s behavior which includes (among other niceties as):
1) throwing acid (plenty powerful enough to deform flesh) in the faces of live women who dare to learn to read
2) chopping off the hands of a “thief.” No, not the Taliban’s top leaders who steal (making them “thieves”) from their own people by various forms of corruption. Rather, the boy, teenager, or man who (gasp!) steals a loaf of bread or other items.
3) lastly, the demolition via explosives of ancient and invaluable archaeological statues such as the Buddhas of Bamiyan. Built originally in 507 AD, they were dynamited on orders (according to Wikipedia, and a USA Today article of March 22, 2001 entitled, “Why the Taliban are destroying Buddhas”) by the Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar.
Regarding this, I highly encourage you or anyone else interested to view One photo of 2 photos placed side-by-side (& licensed to view) at
http://tinyurl.com/photo-of-Taliban-behavior
(a “wiki commons” site)
I would conjecture Mr. Wenting that your worries of our Military, and especially our Marines, lowering themselves to “their [the Taliban's] behavior” has not quite yet been achieved, nor, I think it fair to say, are we even close.
– with gratitude
– FF
Dear J.T. Wenting:
One of the most common errors of Americans is in imagining that the people of other nations think and respond like Americans. Indeed, we should treat the Afghans with dignity and try to make them our willing allies. However, when you are dealing with what is essentially a Medieval culture and a culture that can’t imagine anything other than a violent, misogynistic theocracy ruling them–a theocracy most enthusiastically embrace–thinking they will be enraged and or think “oh, this obviously demonstrates that the Americans really aren’t our friends, don’t honor our ancient culture, and are therefore hypocrites,” is a fundamental misunderstanding of what they think, indeed, of what they’re capable of thinking.
I’ve seen some suggesting that this will complicate, even set back our efforts, and will make the Taliban somehow more determined to harm Americans. Hmm. As opposed to what, to their daily, unspeakable barbaric atrocities? To the violence and unrestrained brutality that is a part not only of their religious “education,” but of their culture? They are already at war with us and have been for far longer than we’ve recognized they were at war with us, and are determined to kill us all and impose Sharia on the world. This piddling incident will provoke them to greater violence?
The more politically canny of these people will pretend outrage because it is to their advantage to do so, but they no more care about this than they care about any of the hundreds of humiliations they inflict on their own people–to say nothing of their enemies–each day.
Mr. Ledeen is correct: Ho-hum. Violation of the rules. Not smart. Usual, reasonable, proportionate punishment rather than symbolic, media-driven lynching. Get on with the war.
Chief:
It is ok for our people to have their heads cut off while still alive ( Mr.Pearle )but God forbid we piss on their dead bodies…I got an idea …Don’t mess with us and we won’t piss on you. We are the most giving and forgiving nation in the world but it’s time to let our guys kick some bad guy a**. BTW Chief thanks for your service. Ex LTJG Mr.Kimber
Well, I’m a retired vet and I say it’s about time we started pissing on the enemy, in warfare you do everything to degrade the enemy. I don’t give a flying bag of crap what the taliban or the entire muslim world for that matter thinks about me, our military, or the USA. The only thing I want from them is fear. It’s time to stop being cowards and stop treating these scum with respect. They deserve no respect, not in life nor death.
Thank you for your service Chief, but I disagree with your expressed opinion. The only thing those marines did wrong was to fail to wrap a pound of bacon around the dead Taliban before they pissed on them.
Cezanne on this death bed, “I piss on you all from a great height.”
It seems like getting pissed on, no matter how odious, only manages to rank as the second worse thing that happened to those poor saps that day. Excuse me if I don’t give a rip.
I saw what those @ss bags did to Daniel Pearle. While I do not condone that behavior–we are better than they are–about the worst punishment that I think they deserve is a couple of weeks of police call.
Probably the first, and definitely the last, shower they ever had. Too bad these Marines still aren’t in country, I’d send them a case of diuretics.
LMFAO
Look, it was a breach of discipline, and the Marines might deserve an Article Fifteen. But pissing on dead enemies is not a “desecration”, it’s a sign of disrespect.
“Desecration” is beheading and then posting videos of the act. (the Marines here never intended for their actions to be made public).
More “desecration”: Dragging bodies through the streets, as happened in Somalia, or hanging them and burning their bodies as was done to the Blackwater guys in Iraq… But piss in a not-for-release video? Meh.
Nuance, as John Genghis Khan Kerry might say…
sure, it’s an embarrassment for us. But the way the Left works is, on Mon-Wed-Fri they will tell us how evil the USA is, and on Tues-Thurs-Sat they will point to minor incidents like this and lecture that “we Americans are better than this”.
IOW it’s the same old moral preening and political posturing. Same-o same-o.
How conveeeeenient!
This needs to be stepped on, HARD. Not out of any regard for the Taliban (subhuman murdering filth that they are), but because it’s sign that discipline is breaking down. It’s pretty much obvious by now we’re going to pull out of Afghanistan. A strategic withdrawal under fire (the Afghan’s record of honoring truces is not good) is the most difficult military operation there is, and no time to let ‘boys be boys’.
Agree 100 percent!
How hard?
If I had happened upon that scene, I would have slapped the stupid camera out of his hands and made him erase it. Then I would have found plenty of extra guard and clean up duty for all involved. There would have been an enthusiastic ass-chewing and lecture on using their brains and acting like Marines.
On the other hand, I wouldn’t sic the entire U.S. government and military on these 20-year-olds for poor judgement. I wouldn’t set out to ruin their careers and their lives.
from another Old Soldier.
If I were CO of these Marines I would impose Article-15 on them with punishment of 30 days all-expenses-paid leave to a good R&R site.
This incident involving “desecrating” Muslim bodies reminds me of the problem in how to deter Muslim terrorists from hijacking airplanes. I would like to just issue a gun to all non-Muslim passengers, but seeing how that is impractical, I got a better idea from seeing my wife put a small can of pepper spray into her purse.
Just issue each boarding passenger a small spray can of pig blood, and if anyone jumps up and yells Allah Akbar, everyone give him a jolly good squirt and watch him melt down into a messy puddle, just like the wicked witch in Wizard of Oz. Problem solved, & the plane won’t even depressurize from bullet holes. But it might smell a little bad – which would make any surviving Muslims feel right at home.
Your ‘solution’ is beyond ridiculous. It betrays that you no close to nothing about the enemy as well.
It would be as if Al-Quida sent out an email saying: Here’s how we break those Americans! We force them to eat cheeseburgers on FRIDAY! Since they are Christians, if they eat meat of Friday they believe they go to hell, so this will totally break them! Like your statement, this example is factually wrong on many levels. I’ll let you sort out why.
Let’s see, they chop off penises of their enemies, they blow up schools that educate girls (with the girls inside), they throw acid on woman that dress in ways they dont like, they hang others in soccer stadiums…
And we are upset that a couple of them got peed on?
Kiss my ass….
I applaud them pissing on enemy corpses; I pimp slamp them for being stupid enough to not only film it, but put it up on YouTube.
As for ‘boo hoo, it makes us look bad’, ths reminds me of what a US officer did back around 1901 or so, during the Moros ‘rebellion’ in the Philipines. Seems the Moros were Muslim rebels who, among other things, didn’t like the US in the Philipines. The US army was having the usual problems, until the commanding officer…IIRC it was Pershing…decided that every captured Moros guerilla would be executed and then buried with pigs, or something like that. It was a calculated insult based on the fact the enemy was Islamic. After a few examples, the ‘rebellion’ ran out of steam. Funny, huh?
Yes, it was General “Black Jack” Pershing who ordered his Moslem militants shot and buried with pig skins (no point wasting bacon and ham.) He ended up using pig grease because his troops killed so many Muslims. But it did tend to discourage the others and the uprising was quelled fairly quickly.
Stuff happens in war. The savages our soldiers are fighting now routinely commit real atrocities against their own, our soldiers, and anyone or thing which gets in the way. What these Marines did adds up to a whole lot of nothing. Mr. Ledeen’s three suggestions seem fitting for the occasion. Better still, send the protesting pols over to fight.
was not Pershing. That is was Pershing is legend.. it was Col. Alexander Rodgers. It is true and it worked..
Piss on them all. what a crock…
“A strategic withdrawal under fire (the Afghan’s record of honoring truces is not good) is the most difficult military operation there is…”
Is is also known as a surrender (good governments mostly do their best to avoid it). If it is really frantic, it is called a rout.
Folks, as you read, please replace the word “surrender” above with the word “defeat.” Sorry for the mistake.
So, is President Obama to be held responsible for this? I recall President Bush was held personally responsible for Abu Ghriab?
I know the answer, of course.
Of course the next question is how long the NYT will run this on their front page.
there will now be a few hours’ delay posting comments, as I have to go downtown and pretend to work…you know, “the day job…”
This does remind me of my son’s tales of the antics of lance corporals. One does have to ask though, where was their sargent?
My thoughts too – can’t be everywhere at once – or maybe he was a casualty.
This is what happens when too few of our people serve in uniform and when you elect Presidents who have never served in uniform. They have no idea of what makes for effective troops.
War is insane, by nature. (It is necessary, however, because some predators can only be stopped by killing them.) It is insane to tell men to march to the sound of the guns. “That’s where the bullets are flying and the bombs are falling. Go there!” Yep, that sounds like a good plan! It’s nuts.
So, the military has to have its own little world with its own rules. Pissing on a corpse is not desecrating it.
des·e·crate [ déssə kràyt ]
1. insult something holy: to damage something sacred, or do something that is offensive to the religious nature of something
2. damage something revered: to damage something that is held dear or revered
Notice the consistent use of the word ‘damage’. Pissing on a corpse does not damage it. The forbidding of desecration is to prevent the mutilation of it, like say, dragging it through the streets.
The rules are there to prevent the greatest of excesses, not the token ones. Pissing on the corpse of your enemy is good for the martial spirit. It psyches you up, makes you more willing to fight and slay your foe.
If you have never served, never had to face the possibility of having to go to war, you just do not know this. People need to get a grip and realize that the rules of civilization cannot be fully applied to the world of the military. If you have never served, I cannot really fully explain it to you, just as combat vets cannot explain combat to those who have not tasted of it.
Let the men in uniform handle this without civilian pressure. They will handle it with proper perspective. Personally, I do not care if we piss off a few muzzies. I do not want their love or respect. I want them to fear us. They will not fear us, if we punish our own troops every time the muzzies throw a tantrum. This is what a good President, one who’d served, would say:
“I got a deal for you. You stop calling for jihad against us, and we’ll stop killing you and pissing on your corpses.”
I agree..a real president should also add “bring the bodies over here and I’ll piss on them myself”
In case you didn’t know this, the military is under the authority of the civilian power. That’s the way our country was founded.
As for the rest, making them ‘fear us’, (somehow peeing on them will make them?) they don’t fear us at all, and I don’t think they ever will.
This, unfortunately is now true of every aspect of our culture. The government makes minute rules for all and every thing we do, even though the rulemakers have absolutely no competence or experience in those areas whatsoever. They hire college kids to supervise 30 year workers as inspectors. That’s why we no longer have any industry. Everything looks impossibly dangerous to some spoiled little 22 year old.
Everyone should have to live within their own regulations for a while. We’d have lots less of them. Has there ever been a less martial bunch than surround our present Imposter-in-Chief? Piss on them? Big friggin’ whoop! Oblamo pisses on us every day!
I’m an Army Warrant Officer – that you equate Patton’s pissing in the Rhine to US Marines pissing on enemy dead shows a total lack of understanding of the laws of war and the codes of conduct that Marines and Soldiers live under.
It’s shameful and if they were my troops they’d already be on trial. Trying to excuse it by trying to shift blame to the media and politicians is just plain disingenuous.
I would buy real Marines a drink any time. These clowns don’t deserve to even be called ex-Marines.
well said, Ben. These guys disgrace the uniform, and with it their unit, the Corps, the flag and constitution of the United States.
For that reason they should be punished, not because some reporter or some foreign leader thinks it’s “insensitive”, certainly not because some politician wants to score browny points with someone.
Thank you for your service, Ben, which I really am sincere about.
As far as your position that this was a court martial offense, I call BS, mister.
As I recall, Black Jack Pershing once had a hundred dead muslim Moro tribesmen buried in pig’s blood and guts, leaving one of them alive to tell the tale.
I’m thinking that his actions were probably as effective as killing a million of them at the time. It did seem to put a brake on the Moro uprising for 50 years or so. Of course, by your lights, he should have been court martialed.
What PC Army general would then have taken the AEF to France and then lead them to kick hell out of the Germans?
Put another way, Ike was a great guy and all, but if I had been in Third Army, I would have been glad I had a comanding general who, while being as politically incorrect as a man can be, and maybe crazy to boot, was the best combat general of the war.
Ben,
What you and most others who, in their puffy arrogance “condemn” this meaningless,
trivial non-event dont seem to understand, is this:
This war is about one simple thing.
Hatred. Total. Viceral. Hatred.
Thats what (should) be driving our soldiers and Marines to seek out and kill the enemy.
Especially ones as low and dispicable as these Muslim Terrorists.
Acts of contempt in Victory are morale boosters, and should be ENCOURAGED.
For every idiot who says it will only “harden their resolve against us”, Wake The Fuck Up…..
They ALREADY hate us. Nothing we do, or DONT do, will ever change the evil character of who they are.
Three words: Belsan School Massacre.
This is standard Muslim operation. The massacre of children.
We’re not fighting enemy “soldiers”, were fighting sub-human criminal scum
that deserves a lot worse than we’ve ever delivered.
Better we cut off their we-we’s and stuffed them in their mouths,
Or maybe a string of fingers and ears. While they’re ALIVE, because they DESERVE it.
That does NOT make us the same as them.
We kill and degrade MURDERERS, they torture and kill CHILDREN…
Subtle little “nuance” there, anybody catch that?
Anybody?
Bueller? Beuller?
There is nothing wrong with what these Marines did.
The only mistake was in recording it….
Thus giving ammunition to our enemies in the media and in our own government.
To counter that, we need to say “I’m glad” and “shut the fuck up” a little more often.
Kissing up to the Lefties with “oooh, I’m outraged too!” is a losing game.
Things a little slow at Company Supply CWO?
Ben:
First, maybe I am confused, but it appears to be okay to KILL the Taliban Enemy, but don’t take a piss on their dead bodies after the Battle. These guys are the ENEMY, take every means to Kill the Enemy.
A lot happens in War, almost all is bad. Up close and personal in Combat takes real courage, and a big desire to survive, at all cost to the enemy.
First order I received, ” Seek out the Enemy, and Engage” That does not mean to to any other thing than KILL the Bastards.
Never met a Warrant Officer in a Infantry Rifle Platoon.
Chief Warrant Officer Ben, have you served in combat, have you been faced with having to witness the same atrocities these Marines did, have you watched people who were like brothers to you die in combat? If the answer to any of these questions is No, then I can’t see that you have any right to sit in judgement.
I think you are comparing apple with Rhine River. That’s not fair. It’s simple math: 4 people pissing causes flood vs. one guy pissing in the flood path mix with others causes confusion. Here is a link to the picture of the guy that was killed in Tehran the other day:
http://news.gooya.com/didaniha/archives/2012/01/134355.php
If he is the scientist working on Iran’s nukes, good riddance to him. He wants to kill my people, so he must be killed first.
Here’s the deal:
On Mon-Wed-Fri leftists hate the USA, claiming it is racist, sexist, homophobic, imperialistic — just awful, the source of evil in the modern world.
But on Tues – Thurs – St , when faced with situations like these, they DARE NOT cast aspersions against the US military (in a war the Blue Lipped Boy King himself declared “good”), so they pout and make sad faces and say, “We Americans are better than this”.
So it’s the same old moral preening, the same old political posturing.
Is this “desecration” of the fallen enemy, forbidden under the Geneva Conventions? No. Whatever one’s opinions about the rectitude of what was done, this was not a public act, meant to be seen by any Taliban, or anyone else. Anyone coming upon the dead Taliban would not have known that anything “bad” had been done to them.
Not so the videotaped beheadings of Richard Pearl, or the hangings/burnings of the Blackwater guys, or the US soldiers dragged through the streets of Mogadishu. Those acts were published to the world, b=bragged about.
Was it a dumb thing to do? Yes. did it violate good order and discipline? Maybe.
So…the consequence should perhaps be an Article Fifteen, non-judicial punishment, for those still currently in uniform. The others should raise a stiff middle finger in the direction of Hillary, Panetta and the Fascist Creep in Chief.
America will love them, just as it did Alan West.
This WAS a public act, in exactly the same way the beheading of Daniel Pearle was a public act. Both acts were videotaped and put on the Web. That makes it public.
Marines are at war, America is at the mall.
Amen.
Or at an Occupy site … on sunny days.
Let me be sure I have this right, its okay to kill them but not to pee on them?
Come on – this is war. Some get carried away. How many of the outraged journalists have ever been in harms way?
former marine (VietNam)
They could have gone Old Corps and taken a few ears as trophies. Personally I am getting more than a little tired of the non-serving gutless piss-ants and propaganda whores here and abroad getting their panties in a twist over these extremely rare occurrences. They lack the courage and integrity to to come out and say that these boy raping cowards are their heroes.
bravo! Great comment.
I have a really hard time understanding why anybody cares about this at all.
We don’t. This is the media insisting we *should* care. They set the discussion by the stories they choose to tell (and how they tell it) and those they choose to ignore.
Mike is right; treat it as a routine matter to be investigated and move on. Ask most Americans about it, war and all, do they really care? The media might be surpeised at what they find.
Golly, why aren’t the media equally or more upset about the non-marines who’ve been pissing and defecating in American public spaces (and on private home and business steps and yards) during months of communazi street mob protests endorsed and to some extent facilitated if not instigated by some political administration or other?
Oh, I guess cos the OWS perps aren’t in actual physical combat with their and innocent lives on the line against vicious violent enemies! So in the latter case it’s a fine thing to do. But in the alleged few marines’ case, it’s a war crime. And so if the few marines in the pix did do it, they should’ve confined it to the living and workspaces of live civilians in American cities, and it would’ve been all okay!
Or maybe the ows perps should be identified from their own photos/footage, tried in military courts, and subjected to the same penalties — worse, in fact, since they perped against peaceful civilians.
Glad we figured that one out! And thank the Lord for pissy phony Oby, Hilly, Panutty, and the pr-o-ws pissant media pissers.
Pissing on them, bad?
Shooting them through the head, good?
I want corpse-pissers defending me, not apologetic, pencil-necked bookworms.
Remember, the Geneva Conventions do not apply, since the enemy combatants are not in uniform.
This is my favorite:
….”If Karzai delivers more moral lectures, have the president of the United States give a speech about Afghan sexual culture, including the treatment of young boys by older men, and the treatment of women by all Afghan men. And then suggest, ever so sweetly, that Karzai is not really in a strong position to lecture us.”
I’m hoping Karzai gets strong and demands we all leave immediately.
Karzai is a double dealing cnut. He has stabbed the US of A in the back many times, so why worry about what he says. He’ll be a gone burger when the US pulls out.
The problem with the whole of this article is that the argument that “the other guy does it too, only he’s worse!” is what you’d expect from a 12-year-old who gets caught pulling a girl’s hair. It doesn’t really carry much weight. Further, yes, the Afghans are famously abusive to their women and to their young men, in some ways, *but they don’t see it that way*. They believe their society, culture, and traditions are superior to ours. The trick here isn’t whether we’re morally superior to them; of course we are. It’s whether this can be used by the enemy to make us look like hypocrites. If you think this can’t be used that way, you weren’t paying attention in the aftermath of Abu Ghraib and the Koran-being-flushed-down-the-toilet scandal. And yes, I know the latter was blown out of proportion–that’s the point. If it doesn’t happen, there’s nothing to exaggerate or sensationalize in the first place.
I’m not in the military, never have been. I will observe this, to those who are, and who think this was understandable/excusable: how many of these people are you prepared to kill? How many of them do you want trying to kill you, if you’re in Afghanistan? Because every time something like this happens, and it gets on the internet or wherever, someone in Afghanistan gets angry, gets himself an AK-47, and goes looking to even things up. Yeah, I know we can kill a lot of them…but we can’t kill them all, there are millions of people in that country, and that region. Eventually we have to stop, and when we do, it’ll be better for everyone if they’ve stopped trying to kill us, too. This isn’t a war we can win by just shooting everyone on the other side until they quit; it doesn’t work that way, and acting like it does just prolongs the conflict and increases the casualties on both sides.
Brilliant!
Resident, I’m takin quite a likins to yez. You are developing a beautiful modus. I wish you could copyright it. Keep up the good work because so far you have been right on the money.
By the way the Wapo put up one of those unscientific surveys of theirs. I voted myself. It was something like this:
This urination incident was:
A. Deplorable
B. Embarrassing for us
C. Just something that happens in war.
C. had 82%
your right david if we would just understand if we do not do, say or think anything that might “offend” the “muslim world” then they wouldn’t have to kill us. it’s a lot like if a woman would just not provoke her husband then he wouldn’t have to beat her.
Meahhhh, Your right, you’ve never served…. Your views are like most politicians, Hearts and Minds, for me having 4 combat tours, (Iraq + Afghanistan) I disagree whole heartedly, one problem with your pov is that these are backward muslim tribes, the understand one thing only, FEAR. If we used the Kubal/Ghengis Khan method the war would have been won years ago, best way to win a war is to utterly destroy them, period, let them know every attack from any village/hamlet will result in the total and utter destruction of that village/hamlet, enough of this PC crap, when they realize that their resistance brings about their utter destruction they will chose peace because the alternative is death…. Hearts and Minds… Fcuk that… drag them by their testicles and their Hearts and Minds will follow.
Doc Out:
Couldn’t agree with you more Doc. Well said!
Right on Doc.
Three words: Belsan School Massacre.
Nothing we do, or for that matter DONT do, will ever influence one way or another who these despicable people are, and the things they do.
They will find an excuse, or simply make one up, and continue their ways regardless of anything we do.
Dave and the rest simply dont understand our behavior has NO EFFECT on theirs.
Doc.
Yuo are right, IMHO, and thank’s very, very much for you’re servive.
I’ll tell you what I’m sick of, is all the p*****s sitting here writing about how this is horrible, how we might make them mad. Yes, I’m talking to you civilians who have never served and even worse you military personnel who are whining and carrying on about this. Your’e pathetic. We are at war, what do you think war is? I don’t give a flying rats a** if the taliban or the entire muslim world get offended or mad. Let them pull there guns out and storm the walls. Great, that just tells us who to shoot. Islam and sharia should be given as much respect as Hitler and the Nazi’s deserved, or as much respect as communism and all it’s despicable leaders deserve. Which is a big fat zero.
You didn’t have to tell me you had never been in the military, I knew that as soon as I started reading your comments.
It’s war – people do this and worse in war – like kill. Get over it. This is a minor event when you consider what happened before hand – three bad guys got killed (hooray!). US forces have traditionally treated captured and dead soldiers better than we’ve been treated.
What they can prosecute those soldiers for? What charges could they slap on a Marine who’s already been discharged?
So let the public display of hand-wringing begin – politicians in this country will fall all over themselves to appease Karzai and other Afghan leaders. Expect some riots from the uneducated num-nut countrymen of the pissed-on.
I’m just glad to be in the country of the pissed-off.
“I’m just glad to be in the country of the pissed-off.”
–Me too. And very well said in general, K.T.
As you said, the Marines are the best of the best and for that reason the best should be expected from them. Idiots should be washed out while still in Parris Island so that their sub par behavior will not besmirch the hard earned reputaion of the Corps. This was an uncouth action unbecoming the Leatherheads. Having said that, where was the indignant media when the Wall Street Occupiers were defecating and urinating on law enforcement vehicles? Is one bodily discharge a desecration while the other a true expression of the First Amendment?
So you’re saying we should be more selective about whom we chose to kill for us? Should we run sensitivity training in boot camp just for you’re peace of mind?
And its Leatherneck…and the reason why they got that nick-name is because of muslims. I suspect these early Leathernecks did worse to the dead and dying than these guys even thought of doing. There should be no PC in time of war.
The Generals and Admirals should tell the politicians to piss off.
Clearly you did not digest the point I was making and decided that stringing together a bunch of cliches would pass for an intelligent response. In some circles it may. Read it first. I, as anyone else who has a modicum of understanding of how physically and mentally demanding it is to produce a Marine, can have the reasonable expectation that they will conduct themselves accordingly, with dignity and the attendant aplomb. Anyone who denies that the actions of these few bad eggs is unwarranted needs to have their head examined. The point I was making is that one would expect from the elite media to treat this unfortunate incident the same way they had treated the appaling behavior of the OWS gang. They were silent on them while when it comes to our military or anyone perceived to be a “right winger” they cannot wait to jump on a single mistake and universalize it as if it is a normal occurrence. FYI, as hard as you may search, you will fail in finding anyone less PC than me. Also, I corrected my mistake about the Leathernecks before your intrejection. Having said that, you may wish to change “you’re” to “your”.
It’s “you’re” dummy. As in “you are”. As in “you are saying”. And how could you even start with “leatherhead”? Here’s a clue; there’s no “p” in corpsman.
You’re peace of mind, dummy?
Leathernecks, sorry Corps. Mea Culpa
If yore THAT freaking ignorant of the basic Marine nickname, I’ll just put the rest of your “intellectual worthiness” on the subject in the same basket.
This story got full coverage on German TV news last night. The full presser was included as well as some archive material on Abu Ghraib, lest anyone forget how despicable the Americans and their military are. Obama was not dumped on in the way Bush would have been. I couldn’t help recalling that when German troops were sent to Afghanistan, they went to the quietest area they could find and the press showed them building schools.
The grovelling of our current leaders makes me sick. I agree that we should say that the incident certainly violates our code of honor and conduct and that it will be handled. But we should also point out that Talliban atrocities never receive the same kind of reaction and that, by our standards, blowing up schoolgirls shows a total lack of honor, a total lack of human dignity. That’s why we kill the Talliban.
plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaAQsxAQYHg
I think the problem here is that the war is about convincing the people those marines are trying to help that they’re better than the other guy.
As crimes go, this is fairly trivial (except for the crime of utter, gut-wrenching stupidity in taking photos and distributing them). But the effect of that image on afghani public opinion could be considerable. It doesn’t take much.
I do have to wonder about one thing, though … why do it? Was it really necessary? Ok, they might have really disliked the guys lying on the ground, but in that case … why take photos? Can anyone explain that?
well supposedly we are there for those Afghanis who are supposed to be afraid of,and hating the Taliban, who are supposedly oppressing the normal moderate Afghanis, who commit the crime of wanting educated daughters – in which case, why would they be angry at us for doing their own dirty work??
Loved the article! Thought the exit paragraph was just the right final note.
Thank you US soldiers and all the best especially to the US Marines.
Here, here!
Sounds like a tempest in a piss-pot to me.
piss on us all every day of the week and twice on sundays
As of late it seems that the U.S. Army and U.S. Marines have been trying harder and harder to convert all their personnel to Islam. Allah be Praised. Soldiers and Marines are ordered by their Imams, I mean their Generals, that they must not pee in the direction of Mecca, let alone on any dead Taliban scum, I mean good Muslim faithful, Allah forbid, and must show great respect for the Holy Qur’an, any and all copies of it, and must not eat or drink, or at least not be seen doing so, during the Holy month of Ramadan. Pin another Hero of Islam medal on them and damn them all to Hell. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb4eZ7Z5yk8&feature=related
We now have an Army and Marine Corp run by Generals who care more about Muslim “sensitivities” than they do about the lives and limbs of their own troops which they continue to sacrifice on the Alter of their Hubris. In the spirit of truth in advertizing, the Pentagon should be renamed the Grand Mosque of Dhimmitude or Meca West. We have a bastard Pentagon, a sarcasm, a burlesque, with no such thing as an American conscience. As American military generals they are just a sick joke.
You call yourself a writer, Michael? Presenting that contradictory, elementary argument? Ummm, if it is war and you believe nothing is wrong with pissing, why do you condemn it? I mean from a philosophical stand point, why is the marine creed wrong? If the marines have a code of conduct why should it not be upheld? Oh, it’s only for peacetime? No? Then what exactly are you frothing at the mouth about if the marines own code of conduct disapproves? Maybe we should just throw out rules and conduct when we go to war? But that doesn’t sound very American or exceptional to me, does it? We are supposed to be the best; we are not supposed to be on our enemies’ level! Seems like these Marines couldn’t hack the stress and showed their collective asses! Doesn’t look very professional to me. Also, what do you mean by we’re winning? Nobody is winning. There is no such thing as winning. It’s war.
But they hate us because of our freedom!!!!!
Resident, I don’t think the marines have outlawed pissing. I was in the Army and pissing wasn’t against regulations. In fact pissing was expected; rest periods were called to allow for it.
However, your ironic humor is the best. Keep it going.
It’s a shame you weren’t there to moan while they pissed. Maybe you could have thrown yourself over the filthy bastards to show solidarity. The way to embolden an enemy is to show the kind of weakness you and your kind are showing right now with these pissy little tantrums. The way to defeat an enemy is to convenience them that more bad things than good will come their way if they keep fighting.
Hopefully my son will call in from the COP soon, I’d like to hear what he and his guys think about this.
You represent everything that is wrong with this country. You don’t have a clue about conduct, do you? You say I embolden the enemy? Lol, are you that stupid? That naive? Yes! How could I not think that my anon post on a nutter website would embolden the Taliban! Sorry! I forgot they have time to read PJ media. I bet you’re a Christian too lol!
Let me be brutally honest. If the best military in the world can’t beat a bunch of goat herders with soviet era ak’s and IEDs after 10 years, the last thing idiot marines need to do is piss on Taliban corpses and put it on YouTube. That just creates more implacable herders with ak’s.
leave the personal insults for your private conversations pls. they don’t belong here.
No. This is America last time I checked. I will express my opinions. The man insulted me first. It’s funny to hear this from you considering your entire piece is a personal insult to our country and to those that serve. Making light of a situation and insinuating that it is normal for most soldiers to behave this way. You should be ashamed ex-marine.
if he insulted you first, i should have caught it. apologies. when i notice it, i always eliminate it. bear with me please, it works better this way.
If your son is anything like you he will agree. If however he is a good and honorable Marine, he will disagree with these actions like most soldiers. You don’t even realize the trap you are setting yourself to walk into. Do you honestly believe most of our soldiers conduct themselves this way? You say it as if it is so normal and something they all just do. Be careful! They don’t all do this! You are making them look bad by implying that this is normal behavior. And on a tactical note: why the hell are marines goofing around and pissing on someone in a war zone? It is childish. There really is no other way to put it. It serves no purpose. I am going to Piss and record it? In a battle zone? Sounds real smart. But then they don’t call em jarheads for nothing.
What a card you are, Res. Your irony and satire of illogical bleeding hearts has me laughing out loud. Hilarious. If you didn’t choose the moniker you did, I would have thought you were serious. Great spoof.
The Muslims are not gonna get angry over this. This is exactly the what they do themselves. And they expect their enemy to do the same.
What I don’t understand is why American troops don’t dip their bullets in swine blood before battle.
If they did, the war on terror would have been over 10 years ago. Muslims only fight because they believe they will become martyrs. And they know that if they get infected with swine blood, they wont go to heaven. It’s a tremendous advantage that is being wasted.
The only thing I can find to fault any of our solder or military for doing is NOT STUFFING THEM WITH PORK and CUTTING OFF ALL THEIR FREAKING HEADS like they are so fond of doing to our men and women in uniform!
If Washington, the military or anyone is looking for someone to find fault with these brave men they damn well better look to the enemy because they wont find it here with me!
WHATS WRONG WITH IT? PISSING ON THE ENEMY???
AFTER ALL OBAMA HAS BEEN DOING IT TO OUR CONSTITUTION AND AMERICA EVER SINCE HE ARRIVED HERE IN OUR COUNTRY!
I am a retired NCO, and have served in two war zones.
This act was uncommon and disrespectful, but only disrespetful in the vein that I ask myself “Would I want a taliban to gleefully piss on my fallen comrade?”
Insurgents fueled by Islamic radicalism (the taliban in a nutshell) does not have a record of treating our war dead respectfully, at all.
Other than that, it isnt that big of a deal, except for the fact one of those Marines was dumb enough to film it, and post the video.
President Obama is pissing on the United States Constitution.
Those who refuse to acknowledge this fact are doing likewise.
Best comment IMHO
Yep.
Thanks Mr.Ledeen.
I’m glad that the video of these men was released … good for the moral. This is a good sign and even better …. the best way to begin a New Year by putting Islam on notice – WINNING !!!!!!!
Note to Karzai, “Get over it dipshit … nobody will succeed against the U.S.A.”
Preident Obama is doing a lot worse than pissing on the US Cinstitution
I wonder if Obama will be blamed for this as much as George W. Bush was blamed for Abu Ghraib? Remember the endless days of coverage on the COVER of the New York Times about Abu Ghraib and how the mainstream media demanded over and over again “Who was responsible for this and how far up the chain of command it went.” Funny, but I have yet to see this incident even mentioned on the COVER of the New York Times AT ALL and I don’t hear the Times demanding that Obama be blamed for this breakdown in discipline. Funny how things change when a liberal Democrat is in office. Yes, “funny” indeed, those hypocritical jerks.
Come on Liberty – you know the answer to that. Obama could have been videotaped pissing on those dead fanatics and it’d still be Bush’s fault.
No Obama will not be blamed as much for a couple reasons. 1. This not as bad as Abu
Garaib sp? 2. Iraq clearly WAS GWB’s war, for better or for worse, the huge decision TO GO TO WAR conferring ownership to him that Obama would not and should not get for his continuation of what he inherited.
Obama owns Obamacare and takes the concommitant abuse and credit.
Bush’s war? You are showing your librulism again, Dwight. Both houses of Congress supported the war and paid for it, and the Supreme Court looked at it and found no problem.
Now, can you make a case it was “Bush’s war”?
“…Obama would not and should not get for his continuation of what he inherited.”
Ergo, by your own “logic”, Bush should get the credit for eliminating OBL.
Oh, the horror! Imagine if they had wrapped the bodies in bacon. Perhaps our civilian (sic) leadership should consider sending condolence cards to the families of every jihadist killed. And offer Soc. Sec. survivor benefits.
George Patton had it right when he gloriously pissed in the Rhine.
I strenuously object – I hate to see good bacon go to waste. Use pig-shit.
I would equip the Marines with pig blood to pour over the bodies. This particular enemy would understand that.
at least they didnt /teabag the corpses
the classic part is the taliban complaining about the treatment
Piss on them all they want. I don’t care. But why be so stupid as to record it? That is probably what has the brass so upset.
Hillary sure did not mind what happend to Gaddaffi; in fact she was elated. I say those talibans sure do look pissed off! Semper-fi
water boarding 2.0?
so abu graib was all Bush’s fault.
I’m guessing this will have nothing to do with Obama, right?
There are many others the Marines should also piss on. And as the Marines piss gasoline, weren’t they just about to dispose of the bodies by immolation?
Kerry,
You got it wrong, Marines dont piss gasoline….
We EAT BARBED WIRE and PISS NAPALM
Yeah yeah, I know, gasoline is a component of napalm….
But kinda like the way we issue a “Bayonet” AND a “Fighting Knife”
its those subtle distinctions that make The Corps, The CORPS!
I’m not sayin’ that it was smart or right for those Marines to do that, but….
After all the Politically Correct nonsense that the military has been subjected to in the last few years, such as the Counterinsurgency Doctrine, Three Cups of Tea, dialoguing, Gay Rights and Lord knows what else, the fact that those Marines did this kind of re-affirms my faith in human nature.
Counterinsurgency owes nothing to political correctness and everything to “that is how insurgencies work and that is hwat you have to do to defeat them”. Now you can argue is that the US counterinsurgency doctricine has been amputated for PC motives; the origianl version, the one who wins counterinsurgency wars has a carrot and stick approach towards the locals and puts emphasis on destroying the political and propagandistic arm of the insurgency. You aren’t doing teh job if you allow mullahs call to jihad in areas you supposedly control. You are doing it if you have clearly in mind that the enemy is Islam and that the final goal is have Afghans leaving it en masse. No matter if it is for christianism, buddism or whatever.
What I am talking about, JFM, is COIN–the US Counterinsurgency doctrine which, by many accounts of our men in the field, has often greatly hampered what they have needed to do to protect themselves and to kill the enemy, and which, also by various accounts, does not have a realistic grasp of Islamic culture and fanaticism.
If you want a few examples of what I am talking about, JFM, see http://townhall.com/columnists/dianawest/2011/07/22/idiotic_politeness_doctrine_is_killing_soldiers/page/full/
All this COIN emphasis on “winning the trust” of the locals has resulted in much loss of American lives and limbs, without appreciable benefit to OUR COUNTRY.
Don’t know what is more disgusting. Watching marines piss on the enemy or watching the political left and Obama adminsitration continue to piss on the military. The sooner these liberal losers are out of office the better. The faux outrage is pathetic. I suppose seeing 50 people blown up by a terrorist bomb in a super market is no big deal compared to this video. Note the timing too!! This plays into the sympathy card for the poor victimhood Taliban duh! Guess who we are getting ready to surrender to–the Taliban. What a crock. Shame on Obama, the witless pentagon, our pathetic administration and lest we forget the good ole lamestream media. Get a real life.
I recall that the LIBERAL media scum publicly endorsed and funded what they deemed as art work a picture of Jesus Christ upside down in a bottle of piss. So I am willing to defend the MARINES manner here as simply an expression of ART WORK that should not only be praised but the guys should get paid for pissing on Allah and his rabble. Just my 2 cents and since they’re mine I am just saying
I wouldn’t have waited until they were dead to piss on them.
As has been reported many times by multiple pollsters, the US population is only 20% Liberal yet the Liberals have captured and polluted almost all our cultural institutions and mediums of communication. The moral outrage of the Left over so many issues is simp,y not a reflection of American public opinion.
I’m sick of the PC poison and the self-hatred for ur country and culture it engenders.
Hillaryis just upset that the young marines weren’t giving her the golden shower..
“Notice the consistent use of the word ‘damage’. Pissing on a corpse does not damage it.”
- So… were Taliban fighters to be photographed urinating on the dead bodies of U.S. Marines… that wouldn’t be desecration? I trust, should some such video surface, you would remember to keep your careful, John Kerry-esque nuance on this point? I would also add that perhaps you should take a stroll down to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, whip out your little man and try taking a leak on the monument. I’m sure the soldier on duty would not do anything, as he would recognize what you’re doing is not any kind of desecration, right?
“I want corpse-pissers defending me, not apologetic, pencil-necked bookworms.”
- Yes, because it totally has to be one or the other. It is unrealistic to expect our soldiers be be fierce, professional and honorable all at the same time, I suppose. I think, looking at your statement, you just gave a bigger insult to our soldiers than any liberal ever has.
“US forces have traditionally treated captured and dead soldiers better than we’ve been treated.”
- If this video is any indication, this is starting to change. (and you CAN’T tell me that, in an age where most have some kind of cell phone that records, that there aren’t more of these. This is just the first to go public.)
Finally:
“All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage — torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians — which does not change its moral color when it is committed by ‘our’ side.”
– George Orwell, Notes on Nationalism
I see nothing wrong with mass deportation. Americans-come home. Illegal immagrants-GO HOME.
I think Orwell is referring to more of what we would call ‘ethnic cleansing’ these days.
While I’m happy to be retired, if I still owned my old business, these Marines would be getting job offers, today!
It is interesting that these Marines are in the headlines, but our members of Congress crap all over us and nothing is said. It was bad taste but essentially harmless (sixth grade stuff). What is going on with our ELECTED representatives is far more serious and is largely ignored. When are we going to wake up? Our way of life is sliding down the tubes and we worry about some Marines peeing? Get some gonads and demand that your elected officials do their jobs. The country is a priority.
Should have done what was done with the moro tribesmen in PI. dig a trench, fill with pigs blood and the pig, insert taliban, cover pit. go home.
I’d wrap them in bacon before pissing on them but that’s just me.
They are dead. I don’t think they need to worry about infection. The Taliban are intent on killing as many of our soldiers as possible. I would pee on them too.
Remember… the Taliban think throwing acid on young girls and stoning are acceptable… A good moral compass?
No. But the people defending the behavior of these soldiers are sinking to that.
Boo freakin’ hoo.
Yes, true. All the things this video shows: breakdown of discipline, barbaric behavior, juvenile stupidity, disregard for basic morals… yup THOSE are the things that we should celebrate in our marines!
Perhaps, instead of using those inspiring ads they have for Marine recruitment now, they should just substitute a bunch of grainy videos of them peeing on various people. THAT will fetch just the type of soldiers you seem to like.
The fact that you defend this behavior sickens me.
mike, the fact that you defend the taliban sickens me. they deserve no respect. part of winning a war is psychological, you never treat your enemies with respect. The taliban know that, maybe some americans need to learn that.
Cry me a river.
Note: They were Marines, not soldiers.
I suppose you are correct, Buckeye Abroad. It is totally unrealistic to expect our servicemen to behave in an honorable fashion. What was I thinking?
Perhaps they should teach this technique in boot camp?
Perhaps you are confusing the Marine Corps with the Boy Scouts.
Mike,
Get a life. A little slam dunk and some trash talk is normal male behavior.
Take that times an exponential million, and you have normal Marine Behavior.
Whats “appropriate” in the safe suburbs dissapears in the ghetto,
whats normal in the Ghetto pales to whats normal on the battlefield.
Get. A. Life.
Suburbanites, media weenies, politicians, and various white collar gilrey-men
need to S.T.F.U.about what they dont know.
The Taliban dont care.
They just pretend to, as as an excuse for the next atrocity they were going to commit anyway
(see: 9/11)
They depend on fools like YOU to buy into the “hearts and minds” circle-jerk to weaken us.
Stop helping the enemy
They did nothing dishonorable.
No opportunity to drive fear into the enemy should be lost, ever. These animals are driven by the mythology of islam, and we’d do well to use it against them in every way possible.
All sarcasm aside, the responses here sadden me greatly.
“Get a life. A little slam dunk and some trash talk is normal male behavior.”
- Agreed
“Take that times an exponential million, and you have normal Marine Behavior.”
- You consider this to be normal, ‘Marine Behavior’. Really? That’s odd. You see, no, I have not served in the military. My father, however, was a BAR man in Korea. His reaction to this story was utter disgust. He didn’t seem to think it ‘normal’ at all.
“Whats “appropriate” in the safe suburbs dissapears in the ghetto, whats normal in the Ghetto pales to whats normal on the battlefield.”
- False. You are engaging in the fallacy of relativism. Moral degeneracy, which is what is displayed here, is not ok ‘because it’s on the battlefield’.
“S.T.F.U.about what they dont know.”
- I happen to know that what is being described here is not ‘normal’, decent or the action of anyone who I would consider even remotely upstanding.
“The Taliban dont care.”
- So? Why should that even matter?
“they were going to commit anyway (see: 9/11)”
- The TALIBAN were responsible for 9/11?
“They depend on fools like YOU to buy into the “hearts and minds” circle-jerk to weaken us.”
- I really don’t care about winning hearts and minds of these people. We don’t avoid becoming degenerates because it will ‘get us something.’ What a pathetic consequentialist attitude!
Let me tell you something. If degeneracy like this ends up being tolerated, if this ‘becoming like them’ that so many comments here seem to gloat in, then we are already becoming very weak indeed. Moral degeneracy doesn’t breed strength in anyone.
Mike: You were not there! You have no idea what stress these men are under and if pissing on some coward jihadist helps them decompress from the stress of a fire-fight then good for them. Maybe they saw one of their friends die at the hands of one of these SOBs so this is their way of getting even after plugging these POS sub-humans with a few 5.56s–hopefully many.
This is such a non-story that only the liberal POS MSM would use it to further bludgeon America. And spineless windbags like you get to spew your faux righteous indignation at these guys in a vain attempt to make yourself feel good about yourself. I’ll take these hard chargers over you any day to share a meal.
Until you have been in their shoes, respectfully,STFU.
There is no question that the US put its trust in Karzai, hoping he would be a latter day Konrad Adenauer. We got Ngo Dinh Diem instead. And yes, sod off swampy.
Perhaps these marines were excessive in their, uh, “celebration” at taking down the enemy here. However, I would liken this offense to end-zone dances after scoring a touchdown; in bad taste but hardly criminal or indicative of a dysfunctional organization or individual. Still, I’m glad to be on their side and not on the side of the vicious subhuman filth who would do 10-times worse if the tables were turned, G-d forbid!
The Marines were only helping. The Taliban guys haven’t had a bath in years and needed to look good for the funeral. I think the troops in Afghanistan should be given bags of pig blood to pour on dead Taliban, but that is just me. The Taliban shoot women for showing a little leg and behead people that disagree with their savage religious beliefs so who cares about their feeling or beliefs.
It’s an alpha male thing. Sometimes when I think of Nam, I have a great urge to pour a bottle of John Jameson over the grave of Robert McNamara. Any man with even a smidgin of Irish DNA would understand as will Robert wherever he may be.
Photo caption. Don’t piss off the Marines!
Bravo Marines. Piss on them all!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3585765.stm
I just can’t get excited about this. The Marines should be disciplined, but hopefully with appropriate perspective.
And I think the comment about getting their first shower is funny.
Life is strange: According to the media it is unacceptable to urinate on the carcass of a taliban, but defecating on a police car in public (OWS vintage)is politically correct…..
I think it would be nice to cut them(taliban)into little pieces and feed them to the hogs. fasistislam loves them pigs!!!they ain’t never getting near heaven so alittle piss won’t piss off their god. beheading infidels is alright,the left won’t mind.
The probelm is NOT about if pissing on Talibans was soldierly or moral. The problem is that in an insurgency war a kind of war who is largely won or lost on the propaganda fieldtwenty plane air strike over their comrades.
“The problem is that in an insurgency war a kind of war who is largely won or lost on the propaganda field”
Only because Treasonous Left Wing Wedia Propagandists say so.
It was conventional MECHANIZED INFANTRY with TANKS that finally ran down the gates of the palace in Viet Nam…look at the film footage. They could not “win” until it became conventional forces vs conventional forces. They did not, could not, win with an “insurgency”. They fought and won a CONVENTIONAL WAR, against a weaker CONVENTIONAL opponent in 1975.
And for the reality impared, tanks = conventional forces = airstrikes = victory.
All you need is the will to do it.
But “the media” told us we couldnt win a “Guerrilla war”, so we left.
Lesson:
If you ignore propaganda, it doesnt exist
If you buy into the lies, they defeat you.
Without a doubt the best post of the day. The media and hand wringers love to romanticize the “resistance” fighters. I dare say over half of Europe claimed to have “been in the resistance” after ’45.
Brutal occupation actually worked quiet well for the Germans until they spread their forces too thin. While the fighters who actually did take part in the resistance were extraordinarily brave and did make a contribution, that contribution alone would never in a thousand years have changed the outcome. Armies and Navies are what won the war.
Those who are now filling the internet with their self righteous indignation are the ones who will get more enemy in the field, by convincing them that Americans don’t have the stomach for war, are weak, and decadent.
The heads of every one of the animals we’ve killed there should be spitted on pikes in the center of Kabul.
It is not enough to comment here At PJ. Contact the state department via email and let Hilarious Clinton know how you feel. Her ‘Body Count’ exceeds that of the Taliban in AFPAK, Her insistence of our involvement in Libya in the ‘Non-War’ pushed that country into civil war, and the fall-out has yet to be known. Clinton and the rest of Washington ‘Elites’ are so out-of-touch with Mid-American values that they need to retire and write books that only elites will read.
Correction from previous post
The probelm is NOT about if pissing on Talibans was soldierly or moral. The problem is that in an insurgency war, a kind of war who is largely won or lost on the propaganda field, what they did is equivalent to calling a battleship broadside on their comrades.
And killing them doesn’t p*ss them off? It’s war. I don’t think anyone should care about making the enemy angry.
While I partially disagree with JFM’s post, I don’t think you understand what his point is, Thomas.
Which is exactly why your ass is posting on this nutter website. You don’t understand much, do you?
Isn’t there an ancient ritual whereby water and salt are sprinkled on the bodies of dead warriors to help then on thier road to paradise? I think it is touching that our fine boys would show such respect for their fallen enemies.
Should’ve pissed on the media instead.
No, the left is absolutely right…….no more pissing on them…….
Roast the entire lot of them in the fires of thermonuclear destruction.
Islam Delenda Est.
Just inform the libtards that it was a FREE golden shower. Many pervs pay good money to gain such kinky perks.
As a retired naval officer and father of 3 active duty soldiers, after I disciplined (office hours, maybe a small fine) these Marines for their lack of discipline, I would buy them a drink.
Killing the enemy is what it’s all about. Convincing those barbarians that they can’t win is how you do it. Kill enough of them and they stop fighting.
TT (USN 1980-2003, E-1 to E7, then O-1E-O3E).
The urination itself was understandable.
BUT … IF they did it with the intention of posting it to YouTube, THAT is juvenile, at best.
My late father enlisted 2 years before Pearl Harbor, retired in ’64 as one of the senior E-9′s in the Corps. I sincerely believe juvenile is a description he’d agree with.
When an OWS puke defecates on a law enforcement vehicle, it clearly sends a message of intent and expression of sentiment vividly conveyed. But this administration instinctively finds our law enforcement officers stupid and repulsive. So, not a peep about it…in fact, support for the “movement” in general.
When an underwear garmenteer boards one of our planes on Christmas, or a shoe fetisheer, or a Ft. Hoodlum…it’s a “matter for the local constables”, let’s not get all riled up and make a bigger deal out of it…it’s street crime.
Fine. In that case, public urination is akin to a traffic ticket. If you are going to play down every time our military and national security are breached and assaulted by lone actors…then you damn well better keep your traitorous mouth shut when one of our boys sprinkles a little “outreach” to the enemy.
The civilian chain of command can stand down, shut up and get lost. This should be handled internally within the Corps. (if you can’t pronounce it, don’t pretend to lead it)
INTERNALLY…apparently those boys are interested in all things latrine. That’s good. A little advanced education in latrines should be in order for them. When we go about our business in order to finish our business … it should remain our business,… a little latrine education, while “tweeting” the Hymn should be a nice reward.
As for Hillary, Obama and Leon…grab a rifle or piss off.
Since, in time of war, our combat forces can do no wrong, the video you refer to doesn’t exist. Period.
This, and Abu Ghraib, exhibit disgusting behavior by warriors disgracing their uniform, failing to do their job. In the recent case, the Marines did a stupid act; they should be reprimanded. This should be of great concern to their Sargent, perhaps their Lieutenant. Their Captain might consider if his unit’s disciple was faltering. Their officers, after Abu Ghraib, should consider rules for the use of digital cameras on the battle field. I do not understand why this is permitted while on duty. After the harm caused at Abu Ghraib, a bullet should have gone through that camera. We learned, at Abu Ghraib, that incompetent officers were in command. Basic unit discipline did not exist, basic force protection did not exist. Criminal acts, coupled with a hostile media, harmed our nation. Our anti military media is beyond treasonable in the hype they vomit on such puerile misconduct.
But the most grievous conduct now occurs in Washington D.C. The SecDef’s job is to win America’s wars. He, and his predecessors, have failed miserably. They set rules of engagement which prevent victory, while vehemently condemning conduct akin to what occurs in fraternity houses. “In war, there is no substitute for victory.” Yet Marines face four, five, six combat redeployments in endless war, while Washington is consumed with climate change, or corrupt government contracting. Mr. Panetta’s performance is worse that those dumb Marines. He, most of Congress, and they should be forced march forty miles with full gear.
For years, I weekly visit an old Gunny, 92, in a rest home. He, at 17, went into Guadalcanal at the height of the combat. In the frenzy, and terror, he suffered an appendicitis, his belly was cut open in an tent with bullets whizzing through the canvas. Lain on a stretcher, he was unable to sit up. An officer give him a 45 and ordered him to kill anyone coming in the tent; it would be a Jap. The things he had to do, shaped his life. I have never served but honor the sacrifice these Marines, and others, have given for our nation. The criticisms level at them are vile. They are far better than their undisciplined leaders.
Vae victis.
All’s fair in love and war. What gripes my ass is the people (like the Clintons) who harp on blind obedience to the rules are usually the sanctimonious people (there are no universals just situational ethics) who gamed the rules to avoid participating in situational hell in the first place. For such people, following the rules is for other people, the little people, the unimportant people, like the Marines.
While it may be emotionally satisfying for some to think about p*ssing on the bodies of our enemies, the reality is that the various Afghan insurgent groups will use this video as a tool to recruit stupid and poor young Afghans to wear suicide vests and make other attacks on our troops and allies. If that video is genuine then those marines screwed their buddies.
On the other hand, when senior civilian office holders fall over themselves to kow-tow after such incidents, that also drives down our prestige and aids the enemy.
The commander of USFOR-A should have made a dignified apology and been done with the matter.
nope – you never apologize to your enemy. period
OK … so when this pointless video facilitates the recruitment of one or more Afghan suicide bombers who then go on to kill one or more US servicemen, you should have the pleasure of writing letters to their parents.
“OK … so when this pointless video facilitates the recruitment of one or more Afghan suicide bombers who then go on to kill one or more US servicemen, you should have the pleasure of writing letters to their parents.”
Tedious, lame and over-used leftist carp. Either they hate us because we are Americans or they are fighting us because we have sh&t on their sensitivities. Which is it? If it is the former then this video will not mean a thing and if it is the latter then too f-ing bad for them and our leftists.
Our fault is that we allowed the leftist MSM and Dems and their PC culture to run the war instead of winning it like we could. So if any letters need to be written it should be the MSM and the other cowards on the left who used their PC illness to confine our war to the ROE THEY found acceptable.
Very well stated. I have feeling however, that people like Hillary want to make it as big a deal as possible in order to fuel hatred for our troops. This is the reason the lie about Koran’s being toilet drowned at Gitmo gained so much traction. In a sane world, it would happen exactly as you described, but we don’t’ live in a sane world, and as much as I hate to say it, as a 20 year Navy veteran, our senior leadership is made up of a great deal more politicians than military leaders.
Ryk wrot : “I have feeling however, that people like Hillary want to make it as big a deal as possible in order to fuel hatred for our troops”
I think it is true that pre-2008 election, Democratic leaders “demagogue-ed” such issues to slime Bush. I would guess that at this point they’d like to avoid issues to facilitate a quick exite from A-stan.
Understandable action of soldiers angry at the scum that they had to kill. It definitely requires some punishment, but lets keep this in perspective. They did not mutilate the bodies of the dead; they did not torture them; they did not kill them after accepting surrender. Those are war crimes of a most serious nature. These are sort of…war infractions. Don’t do it; it’s wrong; it makes us look bad; it’s juvenile; it’s stupid.
Hmm, so the enemy doesn’t like to have the bodies of their dead peed on? I wonder if it bugs them enough that it may keep some of them off the battle field for fear they will be peed on? Maybe we should be doing this more often, or even take a page out of history and start very publicly dipping our bullets in pig’s blood and soldier’s piss.
Here’s a song for all of the sob sisters amongst us grieving over the poor defiled dirtbags
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNrdmjcNTc&feature=fvsr
Glad to see my fellow conservatives put this thing in its proper place, I figured I was not alone in thinking the marines actions somewhere between funny but don’t get caught to stupid(the risk of getting caught). The muslim dead are now roasting in hell so a little urine on their bodies is the least of their concerns.
I’m sure this will be asked of our GOP candidates. How about something like this for a response. “They torture us as a matter of policy, and a few errant boys pissed on a few dead terrorists. The president, as commander-in-chief should send out a directive that no urinating on dead bodies is permitted and any further instances will lead to an Article 15 proceeding”.
If it’s ok for an OWSer to crap on a police car, it should be ok for a marine to piss on the enemy.
But it is a violation of the law, so an article 15 would seem to be in order. Certainly not the public lynching they are about to take.
“We came, we saw we conqured.” said Billery after Col. Qadaffy was shot in the head.
To my fellow Marines. Do not piss on the dead anymore. Now, get back to killing the enemy.
Thank you for your service to our country.
I am astonished by some of the comments:
“let’s not offend the barbarians, they could get angry with us”… and maybe they could help someone to send planes against the buildings in NYC !!!!??????
These frigging barbarians have killed three thousand CIVILIANS, they keep killing civilians, murdering girls for the “crime” of going to school…
Pissing on them ? They don’t DESERVE it !!!
In another time we wouldn’t have put a single boot on the ground, we would have bombed them into disappearance, and after they regrouped we would have repeated it until their very memory would have disappeared from Earth.
PISS ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me try to understand this. An art exhibit in New York City in which a crucifix is suspended in a bottle of urine is a glorious expression of our cherished First Amendment. An occupy Wall Street protester defecates on a police car is a fine example of, again, our First Amendment rights.
A few Marines urinate on our enemy’s dead is decried as obscene. This even though we fight an enemy which routinely blows up hundreds of innocent people using car bombs and suicided bombers—an enemy which slits the throats of captured Western journalists while yelling “God is Great!”
Could there be an element of liberal media bias here?
Thank you Michael for re-enacting Diogenes. You are shining the light on why the worn out hulks are so hostile to the best of the human race.
The majority of Americans could care less about this incident.
Our tax dollars are used to build schools so girls can be
educated only to be blown up with the girls inside. Or a bus
carrying the girls is blown up.
Boys are used for sexual pleasure then hanged for being a homosexual
when they are an adult.
Etc.etc.
As for me I would have used a highly trained U.S. Marine Corp bomb sniffing
dog to piss on these terrorist. I don’t like the way they treat dogs,
either.
All they were doing was washing enemy dead before burial, a time-honored Muslim tradition, and following Abraham Lincoln’s quote “We must use the tools we are given.”
REALLY stupid to record this, however. What in the world were they thinking???
Gee, first, due to cultural reasons, our soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan can’t pee on their bullets (for those who don’t know, urine, especially infidel urine, is haram or bad. If you touch it as a muslim you become unclean. Thus, if hit with a urine coated bullet a muslim who dies then cannot get to heaven because they are unclean. Thus, we couldn’t pee on our bullets because it was offensive (as if being shot wasn’t). Now, we can’t treat the bodies of these unGodly spawns of satan with the same respect that they treat our dead as well as the poor living souls.
GO MARINES.
The marines were just confused. It’s “peace be upon him” not “piss be upon him” at least they were trying to respect Islamic ways.
Anyway I am so tired of these PC ways. This country has forgotten how to fight a war. What Doc said earlier responding to comment 23 is on the money.
The only way to win is make them more afraid of us than the Taliban. Of course treat them well it they behave, if not, kill them and pile their bodies in the village square for all to see.
I don’t know if we should have gone to war in Afghanistan or not, but once the shooting starts you need to fight it with extreme violence and prejudice.
It’s like Viet Nam, we should have bombed all of Hanoi back to the stone age and had a “My Lai Massacre” every day. The war would have been over in a year.
The media’s deliberate propagandizing for the enemy is a far, far greater offense
And it is far more malicious as well.
Dave Chapelle answers the pissing dilemma quite satisfactory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75XKGVwGEt4&feature=autoplay&list=UUIUI6RjqmHQrdZ2kPawluSQ&lf=plcp&playnext=7
Reserving judgment until know source and authenticity is confirmed, is the only smart play.
For the record….I pissed into the Mekong , and my son pissed on the Iraq/Iran border. The media and Hillary dont like it…..piss on them TOO!
You take a bunch of teens and train them to kill people and blow stuff up (it’s called War); then you get upset when they behave in a socially unacceptable manner? Sorry, but as an old Marine and a two year Vietnam vet, I’m neither shocked nor appalled. Bad idea? Sure it was a bad idea. Stupid to film it: of course it was stupid. Requiring a disciplinary response? Probably not above the Company level. Offensive? It’s a WAR, stupid: get over it.
I’m underwhelmed by the incident. I’m annoyed that they filmed it and livid that it was released.
Look, I’m a very Patriotic American just like so many others and yes this was a diplorable act no matter who the enemy is. However I would like to question those who think this is ok because they were the Taliban yet what would their response be if the photo or video were shots of the Taliban, Vietcong, whoever, pissing on a dead American soldier? Me thinks the outrage would be staggering.
Because simpleton, it is us vs them. I would personally like to see the enemy stacked 50 high and peed on, and, of course I would be enraged (and have been) at the sight of our people dead, with or without further abuse.
If you can post the kind of PC / morally equivalency you just posted then you may think you are a “Patriotic American” but in my book you aren’t even close.
No offense Phil,
But what planet are you living on? The world has seen much worse from the world of islam for 1400 years.
This video has not been authenticated but if it is legit then Kharzi has problems of his own to deal with and shouldn’t be worried with our Marines. Caution this video is graphic.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4cd_1326415154
When are we going to quit this pussyfooting around and just get on with it and bomb Mecca and Medina with a couple of B52′s full of good ole American pork guts and scraps? Make sure to put lots of pigs feet in there so there is no mistake about what they are dealing with.
After that pissing on dead fanatics will look like child’s play.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_mutilation_of_Japanese_war_dead
Hey, if you want to fight dirty…then we’re going to fight dirty.
Always has been that way…always will be, including in that so-called good war, when the liberal Democrat government turned a blind eye to any and all atrocities carried out by U.S. troops, of which there was plenty.
And, nobody fights dirtier than Muslims, and we have thousands of murdered American civilians to prove it.
So…screw ‘em.
I have a video of myself pissing on two bankrupt (dead!) Chicago newspapers. Where’s the best place to post that?
Here is the problem, everybody has got this totally wrong. During WWII French Foreign Legion soldiers were taught to piss on each others wounds. Piss is essentially clean and clots bleeding wounds. It works and can be verified. What these young Marines were doing was a humanitarian effort to save the poor bleeding Taliban. In reality they should be given the medal of honor for their humanity.
re photo of marines peeing on dead enemy: What’s wrong with this picture? Answer: Nothing.
The only pissing to which I object is that of the Executive, Legislative, Bureaucrative and Press on the Constitution.
The U.S. Marines have my complete support. Beer for the next pissing match is on me.
This is total BS. Panetta, Hillary, Obama, and the entire Liberal sob sister chorus should suit up, and go into country. No chablis. No arugala.
In his article, Michael Ledeen wrote:
“Yes, I condemn the pissing. It violates the Marines’ own rules, and, as a two-time Marine dad, I want to be proud of my Marines, and I want them to follow the rules. For extras, these guys — assuming, as I do, that the video is “real” — were monumentally stupid when they made the video, and supermonumentally stupid when they put it online. So by all means punish them.”
From the comments, some of you not only think he is wrong, but that he is a total moron. So just say it.
I thought that Max Boot had a pretty good piece on this subject, too: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/01/13/marines-mess-up-mission-in-afghanistan/
Where can I send my donation to their defense fund?
I haven’t read the above commments, so sorry if this is a repeat.
I *love* the reaction of Representative/Col. Allen West:
“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?
The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”
Oorah! This daughter of a Marine would like to see these young men disciplined because it’s the right thing to do. But negative commentary from the State Department, Pentagon, White House? The anti-military pantywaists running this country at present need to grow a pair. This is a small infraction of military discipline. Big deal. [And had I been there I would have happily joined them, but wouldn't have been stupid enough to film it!]
Where is the moral outrage of US political leadership and MSM when women are routinely genitally mutilated, shrouded out of human identity, refused basic human and civil rights, denied fundamental civic and personal freedoms, killed for having been victims of rape, honor killed for all manner of idiotic reasons, forced into marriages, forced to accomodate additional wives in polygamous marriages, etc., etc., etc., etc…..
The moral posturing, hypocricy and sanctimonious crap spewed by our “leadership” is really too much. Reading the commentary section on PJMedia gives me hope for this nation.
Two reasons for the furor: Marines have excruciating detailed knowledge of the PC rules of engagement passed down from the brass especially how Islam must be respected and this is a direct slap in their faces and also the state department, defense department and the regime who set the policy; and two the regime is looking for a way to corral the last somewhat independent branch of the military that does not yet totally kow-tow especially when O declines to give up the Presidency in 2013 or 2017.
Don’t tell me they don’t kowtow. When video of the blood wing ceremony hit the news a number of years back, the Commandant went into full defense mode claiming “he knew nothing about it.” Even though he wore parachute wings. I was incensed that he didn’t say “Yes, I know about, and that’s the way combat troops train for battle. Piss off!” He didn’t, and he made sure to openly criticize the practice, and accordingly threatened harsh discipline to any Officer or NCO that knowingly took part in or allowed it to occur.
I wonder if ten years from now Hillary’s going to be telling tall tales of having to dodge streams of piss as she got off a plane in Afghanistan.
I guess if we just busted the marines in rank a grade, dropped them to the bottom of the promotion list, pinned a medal on them and told them to go back and kill more taliban there wouldn’t be enough time or opportunity for the left to exercise their righteous indignation.
Bust the marines just because they did something that let that witch in the state dept. open her frappin’ blow-hole. Not for offering their political commentary on the taliban.
Dear Bed Wetters,
Have those who believe the Marines should be charged or disciplined ever read “With the Old Breed” by Sledge? Cutting out gold teeth of not-yet-dead-Japs with a K-bar is a war crime. However, those who did so were never charged. America still won the war and the Japs learned how to be civilized. Please, stop wetting the bed and grow up!
A bit of a slur on the Brits. Being one myself, I noticed it.
Yeah, we’re plenty good fighters so not that bit but the snide dig that it ” got too bloody”. We were there alone, for years, with far fewer troops at disposal. Politicians, strategists etc might have messed it up but not the troops. And the article you linked to was about clearing up the dregs …Brits killed tons more enemy combatants ( by a large margin) than we actually lost of our own …for years. Our dead got the headlines, our superior attrition rate went un-commented on and unnoticed.
Also, apart from the US forces ( along with a few exceptions though none of them as consistently in their where it counted … Danes, Candadians,Australians (their special forces at least) ) you’ll notice that generally speaking, for years and years, where the real showdowns took place Brits played a full, 100% part in activity…. where it was bloody. Hence similar ( though proportionate to numbers) loss of life. Unlike other ” allies” such as the Germans, French etc stationed in quiet regions of the country.
So, yeah, a back handed, unneccesary, snide remark against a proper, committed ally just to boost the image of your own forces.
Thanks for that. ( Not).
no snideness intended, i hate mindreaders. i just described the facts. Brits were there, fought well as they always do, were withdrawn, were replaced. my point was that it was a tough fight in that area. and the Marines really don’t need to have their image boosted. if anything, it seems that i was boosting the Brits’.
Apologies for typo’s here & there …
Excuse me everybody. What did everybody think would happen when gays were openly allowed to serve in the military? A little golden shower activity and the liberals and the media go bonkers.
Good one. Here’s a thought – when the identities of those marines are released to the public, how about you pop ’round and let them know you think they were engaging in sexual antics. Let us know how it goes.
As an Australian, from a country which has fought with you Yanks in probably every battle there has been in the last 100 years – I do not understand what is happening to your country.
We are supposed to be alies and ‘death to our enemy’ compatriots, but your media seems more and more interested in undermining you, and unfortunately by extension, us.
I hope you can turn it around, because if not I fear for us all.
Thanks for the reply Michael. It is appreciated. However, I have to point out I’m not a mind-reader but a text reader. Big difference.
In your reply to me you state : ” Brits were there, fought well as they always do, were withdrawn, were replaced.” Fine. However, I wasn’t responding to what you clarified later otherwise, yes, I would have been a mind reader.
I was responding to : “That’s the area from which the Brits — who are plenty good fighters — withdrew because it was just too bloody.” You clearly cite one sole reason for the withdrawal ie ” because it was just too bloody.” I’m sorry but as a text reader ( not a mind reader) that is clearly citing one sole reason for the withdrawal. That is, It was too bloody for British troops, including Royal Marines.
There were all sorts of reasons for the withdrawal. It was one of, ( probably the most fiercest) of regions and we were there for a long time. Of 9500 troops in the country, 8000 were in Helmand. For most of the time at any rate. The withdrawal was given with several months notice. Obama was surging at the time, including 20,000 US troops into Helmand, the area was being handed over to a US General. With allies there are a combination of strategic and tactical reasons for doing this, then that. Not a sole reason of “it was too bloody.”
Anyway, enough. Again, thanks for the reply.
Oh actually, if you care to criticize recent British military action then by all means feel free with regards to Basra. I’ll join you. I’m from a services family going back hundreds of years. We were all disgusted about Basra as were plenty of other people in Britain. That genuinely was a predominantly politically controlled as opposed militarily controlled set of affairs, though. Still, it left plenty of folk disgusted and ashamed.As usual, not the fault of the troops. Another lions led by donkeys scenario, unfortunately.
Anyway …cheers.
Damn it, do I ever shut up once I’ve got started? Perhaps I should.
Before doing so, though, I’ll just copy/past some Wiki:
First, this to demonstrate that we roughly committed 3 years to the area and kept to that,,,too bloody or not too bloody… and it also demonstrates the sort of military burden sharing that takes place during an allied op. In the end We had more troops there than cited in the link but whatever:
” In January 2006, Defence Secretary John Reid announced the UK would send a PRT with several thousand personnel to Helmand for at least three years. This had been planned as part of the gradual expansion of ISAF’s area of responsibility from the Kabul region to the rest of Afghanistan. An initial strength of 5,700 personnel in Afghanistan was planned, which would stabilise to around 4,500 for the rest of the deployment.[3]
The move was to be a coordinated effort with other NATO countries to relieve the predominantly American OEF presence in the south. To this end, the Netherlands and Canada would lead similar deployments in Oruzgan and Kandahar respectively.[3] Several other countries would support this move with troops. In the case of Helmand, Denmark sent 280 troops while Estonia would increase their Helmand force to 150 soldiers.”
And, secondly, one more example of allied co-operation. To be honest , though, this op was a bit of a waste as it turned out but that’s besides the point:
” n late August one of the largest operations by British and NATO forces in Helmand province took place, with the aim of bringing electricity to the region. A convoy of 100 vehicles took five days to move massive sections of an electric turbine for the Kajaki Dam, covering 180 km (110 mi). The operation involved 2,000 British troops, 1,000 other NATO troops from Australia, Canada, Denmark and the US, and 1,000 Afghan soldiers. The Canadians covered the first leg and the British took over at a meeting point in the desert, using 50 BVS10 Viking armoured vehicles to escort the convoy. Hundreds of special forces troops went in first, sweeping the area and although difficult to verify, British commanders estimated that more than 200 insurgents were killed, without any NATO casualties. British Harrier GR9 and WAH-64 Apaches, Dutch, French and US aircraft, helicopters and unmanned drones provided aerial reconnaissance and fire support”
Ok, I’m done.
I’m deployed in Afghanistan right now, in the Army.
I sure hope the IED that kills me wasn’t put there by someone because they saw these images.
Hearts and Minds.
No the IED was placed there to kill you because 1. you are fighting an asymetric war; and 2. you are hated for being an American.
And if you really are a soldier and you think this will cause you harm I suggest you leave on CO status.
I’m here too pal…These people don’t deserve us. And you know exactly what I am talking about. Stay safe.
They should do this to all the kia’s as well as pour pig blood on them. They should not only video themselves pissing on these barbarians they should make posters and post them in every town in Afghanistan. Let them see what happens when they mess with Americans.
I guess my last comment on this thread was a little too agressive. So to tone it down a bit- Maybe when these D bags who are whining about this incident pick up a rifle, and head down range, and maybe after a few of their friends get offed by the Taliban, they won’t think its all that strange to want to piss on the corpses of these low life scum. Until that time, what they have to say, and their opinions mean less than nothing to me.
As for the marines involved, Field grade Article 15, with maximum allowable punishment. They dishonored themselves, the corps, and their country. Not to mention the utter stupidity of recording and then POSTING themselves doing it. As sympathetic as I am to their feelings, they are members of the US Military and must be held to a higher standard.
Urine Therapy… read about it!
It is one thing for Marines to piss on the dead lifeless bodies of sadistic, murdering Taliban scum who were complicit with Al Qaida in 9/11, and are stained with the blood of 3000 innocent Americans. It is quite another to defecate on these Marines and smear them as no better than the Taliban. From the hysterical outrage of the moronic, appeasing PC left you’d think that these men committed a 9/11 atrocity and mass murdered innocent Afghan civilians. That being said these Marines should get a slap on the wrist for being Marines.
BTW, a WP poll has 81% of Americans unsurprised by this pee party, understanding that stuff like this normally happens in war.
I had to laugh at all the PC comments from the administration and others.
It’s okay to kill them — but just don’t pee on them. LOL.
Marge
I’m glad soldiers didn’t have picture phones in WWII, we would all be speaking German!
Did we not all LOVE the movie “Inglorious Bastards”? Doesn’t Islam consider the physical corporeal body to be debris after death?
My first thought was why no one ripped off their heads and shit down their throats? I guess my outrage in a situation like that would have been kinda dramatic –
so pardon my French: FUCK ISLAM and all those who support this 1400 year old precursor and preparer for the recent Nazi ideology we have all come to love and respect!!
everyday life is getting more depressing…… this sucks. NOBAMA IN 2012!!
I don’t think they recognize how many Americans want to know who these guys are, so they can be bought a round of drinks (I hear that helps urine production).
I intuit that the reactions of the current Administration’s officials–to this reputed incident–SHOULD BE A WAKEUP CALL TO ALL VOTERS IN NOVEMBER, 2012! WAKE UP AMERICA.
Further, beyond applauding Michael Ledeen; I ask that each reader take particular note of the recorded reaction of Afghan President Karzai: “…a noted humanitarian, declared it ‘inhumane’.” THE EPITOME OF HYPOCRISY!!!
God bless all our Armed Forces.
tks.
The lamestream media and the liberal establishment WORLDWIDE angrily demonized, vilified and trashed Bush and Rumsfeld for Abu Ghraib, but as usual with the Double Standard in Chief, Obama and his SECDEF gets away with not a single scratch. Wow – this president and his administration is Teflon Nation.
No “command influence” here, is there?
Stupid. Company punishment, $50 fine, and take the camera away from the moron.
Semper Fi.
well the only thing i regret is someone had to make a picture . it does not bother me in the least after the many way s those dirt bags murdered and paraded around with OUR soldiers ,i ask the us liberal media where were you then . i know there is a code of ethics , but war is war , and war is hell and as far as i ‘m concern ANYTHING GOES if you can’t stand it then turn your head . i’m sick and tired of everything our soldiers ” do wrong ” they are rake over the coals. this nanzy panzy country if you want war let them alone and cary on . !!!!!! have a good day
Preparing a body for burial is proper, perhaps the Marines didn’t know all what was required for burial. Didn’t the President prepare the body of the terrorist Osama for burial before he was sent into the ocean? Hmm…
Well, Hillary and her crowd of ‘do-righters’, having all been combat veterans, are going to clean up this mess ? Well, I think not for those who have actually been to combat understand…what now is a party statement: “WAR is HELL”…there is NO way around it. What has the enemy done to our troops ?…..The American media never reports that – why is that ? Why are ‘they’ afraid to report the TRUTH about war? SLANTED REPORTING AT THE VERY BEST ! YOU GUYS REALLY ‘STINK’ !!
Personally, I think pissing on Taliban, alive or dead, ought to be recognized as the new national sport.
If this action had any impact outside the Pachinko-sorting capacity of moral issues in the US, then which is it:
–A grave cultural insult with definite impact.
–Something detectable but inconsequential which perhaps might be made use of by the self-enraged Muslim street if they feel so-inclined.
If the former, should we be making Taliban dead free of urine-dampening by spraying the corpses with that enzyme solution used to break down pet accidents? Then the US could never be accused of widdling on Taliban dead.
If the former, shouldn’t we be using robot planes to spray Taliban-held places with Homeopathic Essence of Swine, USP?
I agree that I am not embarrassed by the marines and I am embarrassed by the “political class” and media…
But I believe there is a much bigger point…
These dead Taliban/Al Qaeda should be buried in pig skin…and the ones in Guantanamo should be forced to wear burkas…
Then we will see (if) the war is with Islime and the truth will be plain to see…and it will be difficult for them to recruit…(buried in the pigskin means they do not get the 70 virgin)
It’s all up to whose side you support in this war.
For one thing the taliban were and are long dead, they didn’t feel a bit of that piss and in their state of decomposition the pee didn’t hurt or improve their condition one bit, either way they were bloody, flyblown and very stinky dead. The next step was actually throwing dirt on their bodies which was more dirty than any urine that had been filtered by the Marines kidneys.
I support the Marines and while the UCMJ may be prescribed by law and regulation I don’t think less of the Boys, in fact I care more about them.
I know whose side I support in this war and it ain’t the bloody, murderous taliban fer shure bubba.
get Some Marines, kick taliban ass and piss on them.
P/S By the way when my son, an Afganistan war veteran and former United States Marine was a l’il baby he peed on me while I was changing his diapers!
“Where is the outrage?”
I do not think G0d cares one way or the other….This is war, and youngsters will be inane at times….Get over it..If the Marines really wanted to make a real point, they should of stuffed a pork chop up their nose….Anything that will cause Hillorious hillery to froth at the mouth, and spew her self righteousness, all over these Marines is well and fine and dandy with me….She, Hillerous, is a real doozie isn`t she….She should be in some prison for her traitorous deeds while in the State house of Arkansas, not even to mention the WH….
But then again, under the current administration, we’re much better at trying to look virtuous than honest.
I pulled a hitch in the USN, and I got to know a good many Marines while I was there. I don’t necessarily approve of urinating on a corpse, but here is the problem I have. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have never served a day in the military, have never seen combat, and yet they and a lot of other government officials sit in judgement of a group of young people who have been trained and taught to KILL the enemy. How can you teach a young man to kill, send him to a place where he has to see the atrocities committed by the taliban on a daily basis, and then expect him to have the same perspective as the bleeding hearts who are sitting in judgement of him? It probably shouldn’t have happened, but it certainly shouldn’t have been publicized, and nobody who has not faced the same things daily that these people have should sit in judgement.
Is this not akin to public decapitation of live individuals dragged through the streets while heaping all kinds of detritus, spittle, etc. on the corpses? No?
From the feigned outrage and animus directed at these young men, who, by the way, are in Afghanistan, that “glorious, plush, paradise,” getting shot at, maimed and blown to bits by the likes of the very bastards they’re pissing on, while the little piss-ants in Washington and the media sit behind their desks in comfy, domestic surroundings bleating about the horror and shame of it all. We must prosecute these marines to the fullest extent, make an example so “the best” of America, those sitting on their fat asses, anxious to get back to watching pornography on the internet, contemplating their navels can feel good about their cushy, non-threatening, non committed participation in wars they claim are proof of America’s abhorrent history of militarism while patting themselves on the back as members of an exclusive, intellectual elite; heroic journalists.
It is very “American” today to hate America and deplore any effort to defend it, an attitude that these marines defend with their bodies and lives everyday. It is pathetic and disturbing that their sacrifices are viewed by some with such malicious contempt.
here is a situation where the words “disproportionate response can be correctly used.
So if these guys did a punishable, but completely understandable and not too serious offense- fine- slap them on the wrist.
According to the description given above for descration- this does not meet the standards in 2 ways- Taliban dead bodies are not holy or to be respected objects, and pissing is not harmful to already dead criminals.
My beef is that the same media & supportive leftards, will demand and get these heros heads on plates, served up for scorn, and most likely sentenced to dismissal or courts martial or other ridiculously harsh sentence for such petty crime.
That these same whiners who cry for perverse deadly enemies save no compassion for thse guys, and NEVER ever give as much air or press to the hideous treatment they receive at enemy hands. They do not look at Taliban crimes without making excuses for “culture” or other BS. They are silent at best on Taliban atrocities or youtube showing them cheering our guys heads blown off by snipers.HAve you seen those videos on the MSM news?
I agree with those who said the only mistake here was making the video- like Abu Gharib – this is just letting off steam by often immature but highly stressed out young people- and it seems the left has no compassion or understanding, makes no excuses for them like they do for MUSLIMS but holds them to the HIGHEST standards and expects them to behave perfectly in an insane situation that they would not dream of taking part in and have not a damn clue about.
Excellent post. My sentiments.
Let me think: the country’s bankrupt, unemployment is at 8.5%, Europe is in recession, and, of course, the White House is focused on, that’s right, a Marine pissing contest. This might, upon investigation, merit an Article 15 for the NCOIC, for being stupid. Instead, the President, who is ultimately responsible for the whole thing, is probably going to send Hillary to grovel for the Taliban at some secret meeting. You just can’t make this stuff up, nobody would believe it.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot….
Get a grip (pun intended)!
What ever happened to regulation
“no non issue” material on your person.
This is a breakdown of discipline….having a cell phone…civilian personal property.
That is where it starts and stops. Both the cell phone holder,
his squad and platoon leaders are at fault.
This in an idiotic ROE environment where all
care must be taken to not damage a mosque or “defile” it by searching the mosque for the insurgeants/illegal combatants, who use these mosques regularly, as barracks, bases of operation, armories, ammo dumps, bomb factories and firing points.
All care msut be taken to avoid “collateral casualties”, while the enemy deliberately uses non-combatants as human shields…when they aren’t abusing them.
Consider this in perspective. I wonder how many soldiers took a whiz on a dead enemy during WWII or the Korean War. I’ll bet it was more than a few. And some of them probably weren’t even dead yet. This is mostly just another issue manufactured by the hyper-partisan left wing media.
where is General Petraus? What are his thoughts on this? Where is he? Seems Panetta is running DOD and CIA.
The Marines were wrong. They should have wrapped the bodies in pig skins.
My deep concern is the horrific atrocities that are done to LIVING NON-MUSLIMS every day. In Pakistan and Bangladesh, Hindus, Christians and Sikhs live in daily fear of Muslims.
I am outraged that government leaders and media are SILENT about the terrible things and barbaric murders that are perpetrated by Muslims on LIVING NON-MUSLIMS.
right you are. and on living Muslims–insufficiently fanatic–too.
This will conclude comments on this post. thanks everyone for the lively discussion.