Bomb Libya
Since our leaders evidently have no clue what to do in Libya, let’s give them a few ideas. The basic rules are easy: don’t do anything that is likely to make things worse, and you can forget about “negotiated settlements” once the bloodshed has reached the dimensions now engulfing Libya. Finally, forget the UN (see point 1).
The first thing to do is deprive Gaddafi of as many instruments of mass murder as possible. The most obvious of these is the Libyan Air Force, which is a small and outdated collection of aircraft, many of which belong in a museum. More specifically: some French F-1 fighters, some old Sukhoi’s, some old MIGs, and some helicopter gunships. (h/t Steve Bryen)
Destroy them. It’s easy. Our Air Force can probably wipe them out in less than half an hour. If we want to play “good ally” we can invite other NATO countries to join in. It seems the Brits are available (as they should be, after their disgusting liberation of the Lockerbie bomber), and I’ll bet you anything that the French and Italians, both of whom have decades of complicity with Gaddafi, will be happy to participate. And the French have the Foreign Legion in the area, if memory serves.
That won’t “solve” the problem, but it will ease the people’s pain, and it might lessen the dreadful impression we have created, especially during the Obama years, that we only talk or negotiate slow-acting sanctions; we don’t go in for decisive action (that is so Bush).
Great suggestions. However, Obama won’t do this. He is not a leader. He is unable to take the side of goodness and civility. He won’t help the Libyan people.
On a visit to Turkey, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the violence by pro-Gadhafi forces is unacceptable and should not go unpunished.
“Mr. Gadhafi must go,” he said.
Really? The president of France – FRANCE! – calls for Gadhafi to go and our own president hasn’t or won’t? What the hell is wrong with this idiot? Is he in bed with him, or what?
Two points:
1. Libyan civil war is none of our business.
2. The ‘protesters” will turn out to be moslem terrorists with the intent to destroy or conquer the entire world; not just Tripoli. Have you not noticed that they almost always attack just after leaving a mosque? These are bad dudes; worse even than Ghaddafi and his thugs. Let ‘em grease each other. That way everyone wins.
Obama is always on the side of the Islamists in any conflict.
That means only one thing: if Obama gets involved, he will pick the worst side, and bring about the worst of all possible outcomes.
Until we find our own way out from under the Obama regime, it would be most unwise to encourage him to spread his poison anywhere else.
give me a break! If Saddam Hussein was still there because Bush wasn’t so anti-islamic, they would still have water, free schools and Christians about… now what? you’re feeling clever? really?
At the very least,we should be enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya. Surely all we’d need is one carrier group. Don’t we have two on station in the Med?
Agreed. We must also protect the oil fields. Americans and the West developed them and Arab leaders benefit from them. Any small D Libyan democrat would understand and approve. If it stirs up the Islamists, who cares? they are insane by definition.
Also, don’t forget Libyan history. Carthage was in Libya, and the Romans destroyed Carthage via a false peace treaty, just like Muslims do. Its crucual to understand the ancient history to fully comprehend the present.
This historic interview on Israel National Radio exposes all.
http://www.marcrubin.com/judean-eve.ivnu
ther are no carriers in the Mediterranean
Helping the Libyan people get rid of Qaddafy is not “meddling in their internal affairs”. In fact, it is quite the contrary. It is helping them get rid of someone who has been “meddling in their internal affairs” with an iron fist and blood in his eyes for decades. Giving the people oxygen so they can live again is an act of mercy. I only wish these acts of mercy would extend to the people of Iran as well. They also deserve to, once again, simply live. Here is a lengthy video of Iranian youth confronting the murderous thugs of the Mullahs. Watching this made me full of pride. It also shamed me for not being there to be one more voice in the crowd. Sooner or later the Iranian youth will manage to destroy these evil doers based on two tested and true principles:
1) The mathematical law of large numbers
2) The principle of balls to the wall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STqH4IgYiQE&feature=player_embedded&skipcontrinter=1
very well said radish. thanks.
Thank you. I thought you may be interested in reading Qadaffy’s views on President Obama:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3877174,00.html
If we were in a civil war, and we may well so find ourselves, would either side approve of an intervention, by a foreign power, on the side of the adversary? What right has, say, Mexico or Canada to intervene in our internal disputes? And what right have we to ensure that the Sharia lovers in Libya take over and “Taliban” the citizens in a political hell?
Islam is a criminal conspiracy to dominate or destroy the world. It is a political system, hiding behind a false religious front. It is demonic, vicious, evil through and through. Why would we aid and abet such a monstrosity?
I dunno Horse…with all due respects for your welling of pride for them…I saw cat and mouse and tires burning and stone throwing with a police(?)force that was as incoherent as a force could get. Perhaps a few less kids waving cellphones around trying to capture a lot of phooey and actually fighting for their rights might do the trick. Looks to me like one American Marine division could topple the whole crap pile of this nation called Iran.
You are a sad excuse for a human being to pass judgment on an entire enslaved people under the yolk of a medieval theocracy. In an earlier posting I mentioned the necessity for civility and compassion by those of us on the right of the political spectrum, whatever that means, so that the left does not feel free to paint us a redneck yahoos. Seems like your little brain lacks the volume to comprehend the importance of such an approach. Honestly I am far more comfortable with those who started their journey on the extreme left and have arrived at my camp today. Give me a David Horowitz anyday over a Pat Buchanan.
Well if the US won’t wreck the Murdering Air Force, here’s an audacious suggestion: How about getting the Israelis to rescue the Libyans?
I think the Libyans would rather die than get Joo-cooties, ew! (sarc)
Sefton,
Unfortunately, you are right. They are just about all Islamonazis. Let them fight a civil war and kill off as many of each other as possible.
And why should I care about what happens to people who feel that way?
I thought about Israel attacking too, but doesn’t it make more sense for the Egyptians to intervene? Egypt is right next door, and it has an advanced, powerful military, full of the latest American weapons. They could make short work of Gaddafi’s forces. So could Turkey, the second-most powerful military in NATO.
It’s very strange that many Americans, Jews and Israelis seem to feel more sympathy for the sitting ducks in Libya than their own Arab and Muslim neighbors, who are just as well-armed and presumably would be much MORE motivated to intervene on their behalf.
That’s clever Ranger, but I fear it would lead to worse resentment against the Israelis than already exists. The chief Arab gripe against Israel is that a bunch of despised Jews are ruling a land where Muslims ought (as they think) to rule. That offends their monstrously puffed-up vanity, their pride, and their fragile manhood. Can you imagine the insult to their vanity and arrogant pride in their own gloriousness if a bunch of Jews rescued them from a tyrant, a tyrant who was one of their own?
I think it would be a good idea for the US to help the Libyans in their revolt. I do not think any good for us will come from it, probably they will just put in another anti-American tyrant or some Islamic Fundie religious terrorists, but it might give the US a bit of leverage with the new regime, and maybe with a few other new regimes around the region. Two Carriers and a Marine MEU are nearby. Those a few A teams ought to be able to defeat Ghaddhaffi and his scummy loyalists. “To the shores of Tripoli;” the Marines and Navy have been there before, and in 1805 supported a revolution against the Ghaddhaffi of his day, Yusuf Karamanli.
Whether we aid them or not, I hope the Libyans hang Ghaddhaffi by his heels from a filling station sign. Tht would ar least warn any new dictator not to go too far.
Make sure the rope is green.
Someone should investigate the relationship between Rev. Wright, Louis Farrakhan, & Qaddafi. Obama called for Mubarak to step down almost every day. Strangely, he can’t bring himself to say the same for Qaddafi.
Of course, Qaddafi was anti-American so Obama likes him better than Mubarak.
By the way, stop already with this sympathy for ”the people” – they’re as anti-American, anti-Israel & anti-infidel as their gov’t.’s ……
What comes after Qaddafi or any of the other dictators won’t be any better, more likely worse.
I’ve been saying this for days now. al-Bama’s spiritual advisors/hate group Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan were not only in solidarity with al-Qadhafi but actually made visits to him in Tripoli. Think about this. At that time it would have been like some like-minded radical anti-Semitic, anti-American elements having pow-wows with Osama bin-Laden. Why is no one asking about this connection? Oh, I forgot… if you question al-Bama in any negative way it means that you are a hate-filled hating right-wing bigot.
Yes, yes, Dr. Krum… but, tell me, if you please, why Ronaldus Maximus did not swifly act to remove “Madd Dogg 20/20 Qu’daff’i way back in the Eighties, when he had ample opportunity?
Perhaps because the pressing matter of selling arms to the radical, fundamentalist, expansionist Shi’a revolutionary regime in The Islamic Republic of Iran in order to support the Contras against the Sandinistas in Nicaragua was Priority One…?
:/
more likely, Harley, that he had bigger fish to fry. like the Soviet Union, ahem.
Maybe so, maybe so.. except that the self-crushing, internal, inevitable collapse of Soviet communism was already well underway.
That’s what I think. Qaddafi = $$ to Farrakhan to Obama. I think so.
I agree. I have zero sympathy for any Arabs in the Middle East. They wouldn’t know how to live in a democracy if their lives depended on it. They are a tribal race who seem to thrive on chaos.
Genesis 16:12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”
Genesis 36:2;
Genesis 36:25;
“Aholibamah!” (or, depending upon your preferred tranlational medium, “Oh, Holibamah”!
Aholibamah (Hebrew אָהֳלִיבָמָה, Standard Hebrew Oholivama, Tiberian Hebrew ʼOhŏlîḇāmā; Hittite “My tabernacle of/is height/exaltation” or “Tent of the High Place”
Very reasonable suggestions.What would really be excellent is if the European countries you mentioned did it themselves. The Obama Administration will not do it because Khadafy/Gaddafi/Qaddaffi is anti-American. Obama only acts and speaks against pro-Americans.
European depravity and raging hypocrisy. International and domestic MSM ignores it.
“It seems the Brits are available (as they should be, after their disgusting liberation of the Lockerbie bomber), and I’ll bet you anything that the French and Italians, both of whom have decades of complicity with Gaddafi, will be happy to participate.”
Just as an aside — re the International and domestic MSM — all these years have smeared the US for their “propping up” of Mubarak (a “moderate” tyrant) — which was done for purposes of keeping the peace, and what otherwise on all levels might have been worse than his control –YET — have ignored British, French and Italian “propping up” of Gaddafi (an insane and super-brutal tyrant — AND terrorist) for purposes of “commerce.” Ignored by MSM.
European depravity and raging hypocrisy.
Eisenhower supported Nasser’s overthrow of Farouk in 1952 and told UK/France/Israel to get out of Suez. Nasser went to the Russians when JFK refused to help fund the High Aswan Dam. 1964 and LBJ refused to help the French in Algeria, preferring a “democratic” solution. Got an Arab version of a people’s ‘democratic’ republic. 1979 and Jimbo supports Kohemeni versus the Shah, in part to “stop secret police repression.” Look at today’s secret police in Iran and explain to me how the people are better off? Given the donkey’s past performance, don’t hold your breath expecting 0 to do anything about this one.
“and LBJ refused to help the French in Algeria, preferring a “democratic” solution.”
uh no, America was sponsoring FLN since Kenedy talked to Congress
I may sound cynical but why should we help the Lybian insurgents ??
Of course,we have a natural sympathy toward them and I would like to see the supporters of former king Idriss prevail and reinstate a moderate Lybian kingdom
But we know that many jihadists are embedded amang the insurgents
Do we really want a al qaida stronghold in Cyrenaic, bordering Egypt,which might be controlled by the muslim brotherhood in the future.
This prospect is quite frightening to Israel and to the whole post modern western world !
And how is helping Al Qaeda/Muslim Brotherhood take over Lybia like they did with Tunisia and Egypt going to be better for US (and European) interests than having Khadaffi stay in power there?
And how is it going to be better for the Lybian people?
The answer of course is that it won’t be better for either ourselves or the Lybians, in fact it will be much worse.
After the Libyan air force has been destroyed, it seems to me
some gun runners with use of helicopters could level the playing
field. Drop guns and ammo in areas held by pro-freedom folks then
let them fight it out.
A couple of points Mr Ledeen.
1. It was Scotland and not Britain that released the alleged bomber of Lockerbie. It is an important distinction and you should not assume any support for the policy in Britain as a whole.
2. Last time the U.S bombed Libya it wasn’t exactly a resounding success. By killing Gaddafyi’s son and several entirely innocent civilians (non Libyan domestic servants)the U.S reputation for carelessness with African lives was created. This has been overcome by the excellent work the U.S has done since but I hope if military force is used to destroy the Libyan Airforce it will be directed entirely on machinery and not buildings and troops.
the claim was not that Q’s son was killed, but his daughter–who seems to have been adopted after the bombing. and frankly anyone who wants to fix all the blame for the release on the Scots, and clear Whitehall and 10 Downing Streeet, badly needs reeducation.
That’s interesting. Press reports of the time claimed that one of the casualties of the Reagan-era F-111 attack was a daughter of Gaddafi’s. Other reports said the victim was an adopted daughter. I thought at the time that a guy like Gaddafi would probably think it quite clever to adopt the girl after she was already dead, but I never saw that possibility mentioned in the press.
Only liberals decried the bombing of Libya (and “accidently” destroyed the French Embassy) but nobody can dispute that that loudmouth was REAL quite afterward.
the bombing of Libia by Reagan stopped the Gaddaffi Duck from more meddling. It made him keep his head down for a long time.
the “aspirin”factory that was bombed ..was not an aspirin factory.
Gaddaffi Duck invited many foreign reporters to tour the factory and there were many press releases about it but none of the reporters got anywhere near the factory which was defended like a military installation.
I read a book about a free-lance reporter (american) living and working from Egypt. he was on the government sponsored junket to the aspirin factory. He said no-one saw it and he was convinced it was a con job.
Michael, our President does not believe in the goodness of Americans military against tyranny or outright murcer. If he did, he would have taken out the Soamli Pirates a year or so ago. I think we should hire the somali Pirates to do this work, they have more guts than our president (small caps on purpose until the office is occupied by someone who deserves the capitalization).
Great,Mr Leeden, its good to know you are an expert on the Scottish legal system as well as everything else! Perhaps you could expound on how the British Government could have overthrown the Scottish decision?
What level of collatteral damage would you see as acceptable in a raid against Libyan military hardware? Figures please.
davidstanley: here’s your first week’s reeducation syllabus: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/WikiLeaks-Sparks-Outrage-Over-Britains-Role-in-Lockerbie-Bomber-Release-6802
collateral damage? a fraction of that being unleashed on civilians right now.
There is nothing that we didn’t know before in that article. The point you have not answered is how the British Govt could have stopped the Scottish decision from being implemented.Those powers were devolved. Your article implies the guilt of Britain when the decision was in no way representative of public mood in this (England) country although it was convenient for certain oil companies.
As far as your assertion that bombing would save lives it may be true but do you really know that? Is it not really just a case of “do something ism”.You can’t bear for the U.S to be seen as a bystander. You have provided very little intelligence on the likely opposition and what sort of regime will be created by supporting them. Yes we all want him to go and if he gets a bullet nobody will be upset, lets hope he is replaced by something better.
davidstanley i did not say we didn’t know it. i provided a few footnotes. you suggested that the Scots did it all, but the Brits were up to their necks in it, which is what i said. i did not say that HMG could have stopped the Scots, although i rather think they could have.
if you don’t think that destroying those planes would save lives, we’re just gonna disagree. wow. but thanks so much for taking the time to write.
Mr Ledeen,
if 10 Downing St could have pressurised Holyrood to stop the release then don’t you think the White House could as well? Therefore the U.S Govt must have seen some benefits to the release which most of us (me included) didn’t.
Do you know how many casualties have been caused by the Libyan Airforce so far? Are their actions effective or merely threatening. I am not opposed to it being disarmed but I would oppose large scale bombing
Perhaps a call to Hereford is in order.After all Libya is where it all began.
We got rid of the Shah and inherited a nuclear Iran.
We got rid of Chiang Kai Shek and fostered Communist China.
We got rid of Bautista and gave Cuba to Castro.
We got rid of the Tsar and subvented Communist Russia.
The list goes on and on. When will we learn to mind our own business and also, when will we learn not to help the Bad Guys?
OK, OK, ceasefire, please: Let the devolved Scottish Air Force bomb Libya, and keep both America & Britain out of it.
I believe it was Qaddafi’s czeckoslovak-make semtex that was used in both IRA assassination attempts against the great Margaret Thatcher – right?
and to think people were angry when she let Reagan use British bases in ’86
Mr. Ledeen:
Unfortunately, even though we won’t bomb Libya, I think Israel someday will be forced to bomb it, with something other than conventional weapons.
That “Samson” something-or-other thing…..
“Yes, I know it’s meddling in another country’s “internal affairs,” and a strike against the Libyan Air Force may be considered an act of war in some lawyers’ offices.”
Ya think??? I have always loved your columns, Mr. Ledeen, but here you’re just, plain, wrong. We have two wars going right now in the Middle East so why are we so hell-bent on getting involved in a third? As you can see from my previous posts, I’m as conservative as they come, especially where Iran is involved. Iran is the true key to most, if not all, of the major problems plaguing the Middle East. But Libya is a fight we can and should avoid.
Intervening in places like Libya only hurts us these days. These are NOT the glory days of the 1960s when we could just replace dictators with OUR dictators simply because the political situation became inconvenient for us. This is a problem the Libyan people have to resolve on their own. Will a lot of innocent people die? Sure they will, but it isn’t really our problem. These arab countries have to understand the freedom is NOT free, they have to earn it. We should stop being in the business of trying to give people with no background in democracy a democratic form of government, let alone a successful republic.
Is a Gaddafi a psychotic killer? Sure he is, and the sooner the Libyan people get rid of him, the better. But what will replace Gaddafi? There doesn’t seem to be any models of Jeffersonian democracy in Libya, so we’ll probably get either another general, a crazy mullah, or a Marxist. That seems to be about as good as it gets in the arab world these days. But it will be THEIR choice, NOT ours, and the Libyan people will know that. If we get involved, all we will get is a lot more scorn and propaganda from the arabs that we are “interfering” in another arab country. Interfering in these countries never makes us look good and only serves as yet another propaganda tool for the crazy mullahs to use against us. I’m still waiting for my “Thank You” from the Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo from saving their miserable skins. And what did those interventions get us? Did it get us a huge amount of “good will” from the Muslims in the Middle East? Did helping the people in Kuwait during the first Gulf War make us “loved” throughout the arab world? It only got us fanatics like Osama bin Laden and 9/11. Many thanks, you ungrateful jerks.
Time for all of these people to stand on their own two feet. If they get another mullah or general or marxist dictator, so be it. At least it will be their choice and they can live with the consequences of their choices. What about all the oil they have? Well, it isn’t OUR oil. Maybe, just maybe, if the world economy tanks once again, it will finally convince that fool in the White House and all the Enviro-Nazis that it’s about time we fully develop our own fuel resources, be it off-shore drilling, drilling in Alaska, coal, shale, or nuclear power. Necessity is the mother of invention, so maybe it will take an oil calamity in the Middle East to force the people in Washington to actually DO something about it here at home.
I would do everything in our power to “influence” events in Iran because Iran has the capability of not only destroying Israel with nuclear weapons, but also destroying the world. THAT is a fight worth having. As for Libya, time for the Libyans to decide what they want out of life and their government as well. But that’s a decision for them to make, not us.
I agree with all your points, but I think you missed something important. Acting militarily in Libya would have little risk, but it would send a clear, unmistakable message to our opponents in the region.
Obama is weak, and as his weakness has become manifestly obvious, our enemies, especially Iran, have become stronger and emboldened.
Under GWB, the Syrians and the Libyans gave up their nuclear programs because they were afraid of him. Would the Iranians have sent those ships through the Suez Canal if Bush were still president?
Like him or dislike him, he had big stones and carried a big stick.
With Obama it’s only words, which as they say, “can never harm you.”
Right on, Liberty Ship 46!
We went to Korea on Victory Ship, Marine Adder. Nineteen days from Seattle.
If I were president, Pat Buchanan would be my secretery of state.And we would keep our spoon out of other countries’ soup!
Wait. There’s more.
Barack Obama and Muammar Gadhafi: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=184725
On the Hussein’s involvement with the release of Pan Am bomber, Lockerbie bomber Abdel Baset al-Megrahi:
# Gadhafi received Obama’s Kenyan grandmother, Sarah Obama, in Tripoli last December. She went to see Gadhafi to congratulate him on his efforts to unify the African continent, the official Jamahiriya News Agency said. According to the Jamahiriya News Agency, she told Gadhafi she had come “to tell him of her pride as an African citizen in the efforts he has made to unify the African continent and his humanitarian initiatives for Africans.”
# Obama’s pastor of 20 years, Jeremiah Wright, met with Gadhafi in Libya in 1984 on a trip with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.
# After the freeing of al-Megrahi, the Obama administration gave $400,000 to a Libyan charity run by the Gadhafi family. The money went to two foundations – $200,000 to the Gadhafi Development Foundation, run by Gadhafi’s son, Saif, and another $200,000 to Wa Attassimou, an organization run by Gadhafi’s daughter, Aisha. Saif Gadhafi, by the way, brokered the prisoner exchange with BP oil officials.
# Gadhafi had nice words to say about Obama last September when he visited the United Nations – calling Obama “my son” or “our son” several times. “Can you guarantee after Obama how America will be governed? We are content and happy if Obama can stay forever as president of America.” Gadhafi also reportedly referred to the U.S. president as a “black African Kenyan.”
# Obama sat two seats away from Gadhafi at the annual Group of Eight summit a year ago – separated only by Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.
# In 2008, Gadhafi said Obama was a Muslim of Kenyan origins who studied in Islamic schools and whose campaign may have been financed by people in the Islamic and African worlds.
# Gadhafi has repeatedly expressed concern that Obama might someday be assassinated.
Until there is a Ronald Reagan (perhaps a Sarah Palin?) in the Whitehouse the less America does, the better.
Yes?
The U.S. is damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. Last night I heard a Lybian woman reporting (in hiding) on CNN. She said the Lybian people were very disappointed in Obama’s most recent speech. She said he was not forceful enough, not strong enough. Not standing up to Gadhafi.
If they want help from the U.S., then they have to ask for it – over cell phones, through their posters, chanting in the streets, etc. They should specifically say “USA get rid of Gadhafi”. Then maybe real action can be taken. Otherwise, if Americans try to do something, and innocent people are killed, the muslim world & their brotherhoods will condemn the U.S. as they try to further their islamic cause.
Bare in mind one thing: Among the posters these lybians were carrying around, was one of Gadhafi, in dog-like positionm, with a Star of David on his side. I’ll give you all a clue – anti-semitism. These are the kind of people you will be saving. Still interested? Because the U.S. will still be hated in the end, no matter what they do.
Canada:
“She said the Lybian people were very disappointed in Obama’s most recent speech. She said he was not forceful enough, not strong enough. Not standing up to Gadhafi.”
And they’re beating Black people to death who only came to Libya looking for a better life over there…by machine-gunning the insurgents.
Sounds like she’s a RACIST!
(I wasn’t aware the TEA party had a Tripolitan chapter)
/sarc
I agree. Your point echoes those of Libertyship @16. A specific request for help sets up an exchange that allows the US to get something for its outlay in lives and money. What gives this woman you mentioned the notion that the lives of American young men are at her beck and call, just because she is disappointed?
Michael, I believe your desire for moral intervention may be misplaced given 1) what is happening in Egypt, including inviting the Iranians into the Canal, 2) open hints of Caliphate types among the Libyan rebels. There is enough nightmare potential with Tantawi-Qaradawi without another MB regime next door. Certainly I wish Qaddafi the worst. Would you trade the current regime for a wildfire that overtakes all the rest of us?
I’m with you there Larry (dry gulch)
it would be nice if the bloodshed could be stopped, but I don’t see how the USA would come out of any intervention without blame.
True, General. My main concern is that democracy/freedom well wishers from afar not place an Islamo-tsunami around the borders of this little country, Israel. If overthrowing Qaddafi helped sane Arabs, I would be for it, whether or not it helped American prestige.
Sadly, there are few sane Arabs around.
John Stewart’s Daily Show are doing their part to destroy Libya’s mobile weapons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HBXAUHxsmI
Sorry if this is a dupe.
I doubt he will do it, but at the very least I wish he would use our Navy and send in a ship to get our people out. Stuck on a ferry? Are you kidding me?
Mr. Ledeen:
Are you nuts?
Do NOT bomb Libya.
Bomb Qaddafi, and ONLY Qaddafi. Show the Bedouin Buttplug how far our terminal guidance/ cruise missile targeting technology has come since 1986. Back then the Sony Walkman personal cassette player was the rubber shiznit and a cell phone was a device the size of a brick.
Bombers are a little heavy-handed a tool to employ generally in an insurrection, whether to support it OR to put it down.
This is a city street-fight, and that means the Grunts have to have boots on the ground if you want to get involved in a meaningful way.
Now a close offshore air-defense platform (Aegis cruiser), a helicopter gunship carrier and a hospital ship to evacuate the wounded, the women, children and elderly to right off Tobruk or Benghazi would make a nice “close, but not TOO close” show of support.
okay bilge let’s bomb Qaddafii’s airplanes. better?
How about we give the Airborne Laser a field test?
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/abl/
Yes.
I’m also thinking of the loyalist Libyan State Security flunktionary who is paid to surf the Web coming across and printing out your article and “state-supported-samizdataing” it on the streets of Bedouin Paradise to stir up the Libyans on the fence FOR the Buttplug and AGAINST us “foreign infidevils”…and of course, “the joooooze”, (as though they EVER need much nudge in that direction):
“You SEE my fellow Libyans? The Great Satan’s neo-con. M. Ledeen, wishes to ATTACK us! Rally to the Colonel on horseback and defend Libya from their bombs!”
And all that sort of rot.
Dollars to Dinars that all they can read would be the headline: “Bomb Libya”…and that would likely be enough to engender them into one of their patented “Islamic Bedouin Xenophobic Desert Mass Flip-outs”.
Read something interesting last night about Obama’s spiritual adviser. Remember him? The very reverend Wright? Seems he gets support indirectly from the Mad Dog of Libya because Mad Dog supports Louis Farrakhan. Who in turn is plugged into Wright’s “ministry”. Perhaps that’s why we are seeing such a “reluctance” by the crypto Muslim in the White House to take any definitive steps to do anything to help or support the people of Libya. Rev. Wright might lose a financial pipeline or two.
this is one where the USA should just ask Gaddaffi Duck to step aside and allow a new government to be formed. nothing more.
in egypt and iran the usa stood on the wrong side of history. Libya is different and the history with Libya is different. …no doubt that obama will do nothing but for the wrong reasons.
maybe obama will unlease the google exec on gaddafi duck. lol
I don’t see an upside for the west in this one.
Red On Red is fine with me I’d give gaddafy more ammo if he promised to use it on his own folks. (I know I’m a heartless bass turd)
Evac American’s? There is no plan and no one according to news reports have even asked the military to evac anyone.
Twas me I’d,
1. evac all Americans and anyone else who needs it.
2. sail away and get out of range.
3. watch as the libyans gleefully massacre each other.
4. deal with who wins.
The US should support a European strike on Gaddafi’s Air Force, as a
‘diplomatic signal’ for him to back off; If he doubles down by calling in
the tanks, bust them as well; That should weaken him enough that he will
either flee the revolt or be ‘hanged higher than Haman’.
One can expand on the tactic, using 21st century tech, to keep tyrants tamed;
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23. Bilgeman is on point, but a bit out of date (looked away for a day
Current Mil-Tech can deny a country such as Libya the use of any weapon
that a man cannot carry, using non-lethal means to do the job:
Explosively weld a copper band to the inside of the bore of a tank main gun,
fry a system’s electronics with a..um..call it an EMP hand grenade.
This kind of tech is also useful for securing the oil supply from saboteurs.
Evacuate Americans? I noticed some of these so-called Americans. I wonder how “American” they were when Lybia was in no danger of disintegrating.
We also have those kinds of “patriots” here in Canada, who spend months in their native country while reaping the benefits of ours. They happened to be caught in Lebanon in the summer of 2006, when Israel was giving Hezbollah a pounding. Suddenly they were “Canadians” and demanded our government send them luxury boats to evacuate them.
However, Harper sent them old frigates (hey that’s all that was available) and even billed them pay for their passage.
He also gave them grants worth thousands of dollars to replace their personal belongings which were lost in the Israeli bombing of Lebanon. I worked with a Lebanese/Canadian woman who had been living in Lebanon with her husband and young child but fled when the bombing started. She had Canadian citizenship – she may even have been born here, I don’t recall – but her husband had lived his whole life in Lebanon and I think the baby was born in Lebanon too.
I’m really not sure why our government felt obligated to give each such family thousands of dollars worth of tax dollars to replace belongings. How was any of this Canada’s fault or responsibility?
Has everyone forgotten Qaddafii’s speeches and videos hailing Obama’s election as a great step in the advancement of Islamic interests in the United states? It’s no coincidence that Obama’s home in Chicago was across the street from Louis Farrakhan’s. Remember the images of the Black Muslims pushing the photographers for filming their women at the Muslim gathering at the White House that replace the National Day of Prayer? Both he and Wright’s “ministry” were supported by Qaddafii. My, My, how soon we forget or just refuse to comprehend. Maybe it’s just the feeling of guilt and regret felt by the middle aged flower childs who should have known better than to vote for the liar in chief. Blowing all that dope as a teen ager probably rotted their brains to the point where critical thinking isn’t possible. Probably explains politically correctness, belief in AGM, cap and trade, etc.
Saudi Arabia has been the greatest supporter of terrorism in the world, and yet American presidents since Nixon treat them as honored friends.
If America is so ignorant to not know who its enemies are, then we certainly deserve whatever comes.
Let’s see…
Obama says that we must not jump to conclusions when a jihadist at Fort Hood kills many American Soldiers
Obama says that we must not meddle with iranian internal affairs when the iranian people fight for Freedom
Obama says that Mubarak, a solid ally and a supporter of peace with Israel, must step down immediately
Obama says that the muslim brotherhood can be accepted as a legitimate political player in Egypt
Obama doesn’t say a word when the libyan dictator massacres hundreds or thousands of civilian…then Obama threatens “sanctions”
I don’t draw the conclusions, so the liberal writers like Moran don’t call me paranoid.
It’s just a list of facts.
Do you want to bet Obama will do absolutely nothing against the libyan madman ?
A friend of a friend of a friend is a ….
What in HAEL are you thinking!?! The Quaook is a friend of the Venezuelan Kook and he is a friend of Sean Penn! Doesn’t Oba Jihad need the approval of Barbara Streisand to launch jets in the Mediterranean?
The only “group” that Obama is invested in helping is the Union and other such groups that support his kingdom. This is a good example of what he would do to help U.S. citizens should they need it (don’t forget about the dead citizens that were killed in Africa and Mexico). The only one that matters to Obama is Obama.
Sure, let’s just make an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation. What could possibly go wrong?
If the US were to sieze Daffy and put him on trial for the bombing of Pan Am 103, I’d cheer. This just sounds like the best recruiting tool you could possibly give Al Qaeda. It is not our fight.
If Islamic polities are morally equal to the West then we should be asking them why they are not intervening in their own back yard instead of people asking why the U.S. is not. Islamists cry about the debauchery of America and then sit and do nothing while muslims are slaughtered in the streets of Libya by other Libyans and foreign mercenaries. Why isn’t Turkey organizing a flotilla to send food and medicine to Libyans?
Israeli’s can invade Gaza who fire thousands of rockets into Israel and when they do it’s “disproportionate” or a “massacre” but let Ghaddafi do the slaughtering in the name of megalomania or money and there will be no negative response from the U.N. or Islam as there is with Israel. I wonder how many lectures Norman Finkelstein or Noam Chomsky are going to deliver about Libya and if they do, somehow blame it on America.
The U.S. has gained no traction within Islam for saving muslim lives in the former Yugoslavia – none; it is a non-event within Islam because it does not fit in with their world view of America as imperialists and no oil to spout about. Save Libyans and it’ll be turned on its ear as just another maneuver to conquer Islam from the Pillars of Hercules to Eastern Java. Screw ‘em – I say we stay out and let ‘em ‘hadith’ their way out of it. Egypt is right next door for crying out loud – let ‘em send in the tanks and APCs – at least whatever they can spare from Tahrir Square.
A few points, you enforce a no fly zone and few if any planes will ever take off. We might get away without ever firing a shot and if we do have to down a few planes hopefully the only ones killed will be monsters that were on their way to massacre civilians. The idea that interfering or even bombing will create more terrorists ignores the fact that radical Islamists have been trying to kill us and will continue to try and kill us regardless of what we do. The Libyans might well come out of this with a theocratic Islamist government but I see no reason to at least give them a chance at something better. This gives me some hope. http://hotair.com/archives/2011/02/24/video-meet-the-man-who-took-tobruk-from-gaddafi/ Any support we give the people of Libya will count towards some leverage as well as show the region we are still a force to be reckoned with. Not much maybe but some. It’s a moot point anyway, Obama won’t do a damn thing.
This would possibly put an anchor around the neck of Gadafi and his military but if it results in yet another “occupation” by American and European troops it would end up being a great big loser as, I fear, will Iraq and Afghanistan.
We are not dealing with a world immersed in Western notions of human rights and the rule of law. These are folks who’ve been brought up as Muslims, very devout Muslims as the majority, who perceive Western culture as decadent and in desperate need of being expunged from the planet and replaced by a Caliphate under immutable Sharia law. This is the desired “democracy” that the gullible West is so eager to encourage as the ultimate solution that will end Islamic Jihad and stabilize the entire Middle East. How it will end is more likely to be WWIII, possibly waged with WMD. Obama, his administration, the State department and some of the military brass are working very hard at this and we should be very afraid.
Bear in mind that the cold war strategy of Mutually Assured Destruction as a deterrent will act as an inducement with this enemy who’ve repeatedly asserted their reverence and preference for death in a grand Jihad which they fervently believe guarantees entrance to paradise. What better way to go, by the tens of thousands, than by launching a nuclear holocaust thereby inviting retaliatory nuclear strikes. And the devastating consequences sure to come? Not to worry! Whatever will be will be the will of Allah.
Don’t waste the hardware. If you want to make a real impact, bomb the United Nations and rid us of this pestilence.
best suggestion yet
regards
My view is that the current administration is dangerously anti-American. Anything that they do would be far more detrimental to U.S. interests than what Libya can possibly do.
I want them to do what they are currently doing, which is nothing.
This applies domestically and internationally. I want the Republicans to block EVERYTHING that they attempt that isn’t initiated by Republicans. Even if it seems like a good thing, if little lenin initiates it, it is some kind of a trick.
If Muslims are killing each other off, why should we interfere? Saves us the trouble: besides, mutual exsanguination is their national pastime.
I’d feel better if we could get the Muslims out of America.
When your enemies are busy making fools of themselves, it may be best to leave them to their own mischief. Obama may be the right man in the right place and the right time because his ineffectualness and indecision capacities vote present and let the years of North African disfunction boil over like the fulminating infection that it has been.
When the revolutions are over, and the strong arm winners take control, the question will revolve around their capacities to govern. They may go Somalian and devolve into mere pirates, or, they may afford themselves a chance on the freedom agenda. It is at that time one would want to back the winners.
It’s seems the author, Michael Ledeen, forgot one tiny detail:
Mr. obama, write, farrakhan and gaddafi are in bed “à quatre”.
How can mr. obama fight against their common love-partner?
I am sorry for my misspelling of the name of the prominent America-hater, Commie activist and closest friend of mr. obama – jeremiah wright.
“and I’ll bet you anything that the French and Italians, both of whom have decades of complicity with Gaddafi”
sorry but not France, one would know then why Kadhafi blow up a french plane above Tenere, and why we were bombing a lybian site in northern Chad, that Kadhafi kept to invade.
But Bush was too happy to get Kadhafi money for Lockerbee victims , while the French had only the left powders for Tenere victims, and who did impose us to see Kadhafi as a new born good leader then ?
Invade Mexico now! They have been invading us for years.
The Marxists bastards!
Let Italy take care of their oil out of Libya.
uh y’a des choses qu’on peut pas dire ici ?
Yes. You can’t say anything positive about any of the following countries, people or regions: Mexico, any Arab or Muslim nation, France, environmentalists, government agencies (with the exception of the Department of Defense, CIA, FBI, DEA, DIA, and NSA), academics (with the exception of Victor David Hanson) or the European Union.
“y’a des choses qu’on peut pas dire ici ?”
Certainement. Puisque le KGB, pardonnez, les ‘modérateurs’ de la Maison Blanche observent attentivement l’observation de “l’Acte de l’Internet juste.” -:)
Mais pourquoi vous avez décidé d’écrire français, qui je ne connais pas?
Mon Cher, parce que je pensais que mon post ne serait pas édité !
nobody edited your post Marie Claude. what are you talking about?
I noticed that, sorry for the insert
So many excellent suggestions. Maybe we should use an applause meter. So far the nominees for bombing are: Mexico, the UN and Manhattan, Saudi Arabia…did I miss any?
I tell ya what: let’s bomb’em all, and can I make a request of my own? Missouri. I got a ticket once in this little speed-trap town down there. We’ve got the hardware right on hand, and the fuel costs wouldn’t be a thing compared to Libya.
I’m all for us killing Gadaffi before someone else does, to foster a reputation that it is unwise for foreign leaders to murder Americans, but otherwise I’d let the Libyans resolve their own disputes over sharing.
Things could get much worse for us and others there, such as Egypt, though the Egyptian Army could defray its expenses in dealing with Libyan failed state problems by conquering the place and using its oil revenue.
the position of EUrope:
http://www.bruxelles2.eu/protection-civile/conflit-libyen-aucune-option-nest-exclue-y-compris-militaire-mais-il-y-a-un-hic.html
one need a UN resolution to interven, otherwise Kadhafi would still argue that foreigners interfer within inner Lybia policies, and thus strike back his populations
the UN is a waste of space, time and oxygen.
it is a club used by dictators to bash democracies while demanding money from them
…jeez looks like I was describing the liberal / marxists. hard to tell them apart
So far it’s the only official organisation that can authorise a mass external intervention, sure not for the US, one would know
Though the deal would be different if it was to protect our Nationals that work on oil fields, (not the French, but the Brits) that would be threatened of slauthering. I think that the Brits are prepearing a intervention group for their Nationals
the sooner the UN is disbanded the better. it is a group of corrupt theives
General: for years I have called the UN “the world’s biggest criminal enterprise…”
Michael sometimes it doesn’t help to be right. The UN shows very clearly that democracy where one person one vote is a dangerous situation without a constitution (enforced constitution, like the USA used to have) with entrenched individual rights to prevent the 50% plus one from abusing the system.
the USA is (or was) the exception in the world only because of entrenched individual rights.
I hope the congress can de-fund the UN, it would be the best thing that could happen.
agreed
uh not quite the Brits’, but also US and French too
“Hundreds of US, British and French military advisers have arrived in Cyrenaica, Libya’s eastern breakaway province, debkafile’s military sources report exclusively.”
US military advisers in Cyrenaica. Qaddafi’s loses his air force http://t.co/TgWSJjA
and Kadhafi said that he will commit suicide like Hitler in his bunker, aso some say that his son in charge of repression has already left the country
SAS infiltrated overland,set up a landing zone for 2 Fat Alberts and flew to Malta today with 150 oil workers. Back to where they were formed nearly 70 years ago. David Stirling and Paddy Mayne would be proud of them!
He shouldn’t have to commit suicide in his bunker if we knew where it was we could try out one of those new bunker buster bombs we have developed but not used in a real situation! It would be a great test platform. The worst that could happen is that it would be so successful that whatever remains were left of him would be microscopic and make it hard for easy verification!
Greater Egypt, anyone?
You people don’t know what the Devil you are talking about.
Since Sept 11 2001 Khadaffi has been our most reliable ally in the war on terror.
Granted he is an SOB doing it to spite the Palestinians who promised him the world in exchange for financial aid , and then stiffed him when they got autonomy.
So what ? People are not “basically nice” or ” generally inclined to do the right thing”. Not at all, people are in fact bipedal omnivorous animals with the same disposition and motivation as dogs. To think otherwise is the fuzzy headed wishful thinking of , well, a liberal.
Only the uninformed can possibly see any good in the current troubles in North Africa and Arabia where , with the single exception of Iran, every pro Western Govt from Morocco, to Bahrain, is facing protesters.
You seem to miss the primary point that these Dictators and Emirs support the West, while their populations hate the West, and solidly support groups like Hezbollah, HAMAS, and Al Queda.
These uprisings are a disaster for the West, and I will remind you of it when you are whining about the high cost of gas next summer.
But who will pay for it?? Teddy Roosevelt said “speak softly and carry a big stick”. With the big stick splintered all over the middle east “boomers” out on three month tours are the best we can do and they didn’t do very well under Clinton’s orders. How can the USDoD (that last “D” is for defense and not intended to sacrifice enlisted souls in a foreign civil war) be expected to police the whole of world Islam with the doors left wide open over here?
All intelligence agencies know where the enemy is. Get real, Neal, before the sack hits the fan at home after all our military’s spirit has been flushed. The list of officers bailing out is growing and the sack is swinging.
Interesting points of view. Why are people so optimistic about revolutions and in particular violent ones? Where has a violent revolution quickly led to a benign and peaceful government. I am sure someone will have some suggestions but the recent history seems to suggest we are niave to expect a positive outcome.
Unfortunately, that would require a commander in chief.
When the dust settles in Libya, Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen, Jordan, et. al. get ready for The Caliphate. That’s the only realistic outcome. Don’t have hopes for anything like democracy. Watch CNN, Caliphate Network News, for the latest updates.
Daniel, do you really think these characters can organize a caliphate? I have my doubts about that one…
I say Michael Ledeen for President.
I don’t qualify for President, Wayne, since I was born in a foreign country (downtown Los Angeles)
Neither does Obama but just look, maybe you are just too honest! Unlike Obama!
How about Sec’y of State in the Bolton Administration?
If you are going to bomb Libya, do not stop there bomb Iran while your at it!
I am afraid Quadaffi will have the ferry attacked. It sees a very strange mode of transportation for refugees in this air era but he is a very strange man.
Obama is Mr. Wimp personified. Libya should have been bombed years ago…along with quite a few other countries. The US has sent money and volunteers to Africa for years with no appreciative results. The people are still starving illiterates and their powers that be are still yearning to attack us.
This has nothing to do with freedom. The people rebelling against Khadafi hate him because he’s the wrong kind of Muslim not because he’s “oppressing” them. Oppression is all they’ve ever known. For them its Jihad, pure and simple. For Khadafi it’s survival: he and those who haven’t defected from him at this point have no where else to go. We should get all of our people out – all westerners – and then let them kill each other to their hearts content. It’s sick and twisted but that’s what they want to do. And we shouldn’t give a fig who wins and who loses or how long it takes.
If you are going to, bomb Libya do not stop there bomb Iran too!
Don’t forget North Korea who appears to planning a nuclear test at this very moment! Give them a real test at about the same time!
“Once upon a time, the CIA cultivated ambitious military officers (typically colonels) in such places for emergencies such as this. We’d give the word and they’d execute a coup.”
It seems we allowed (encouraged? created a vacuum for?) them to be replaced by the Lefist-Islamist Alliance.
Yes, of course, you’re 1000% correct, but, especially with this Administration, it doesn’t have a chance. For that matter, neither does anything that remotely resembles either “strategy” or even reasonable thought.
Michael, many thanks for your great efforts to fight such evil regimes. You always fight them, that is since you have been fought the evil ideology “Communism”.
Surely it would be an act of war against Libya only in the eyes of “the accomplices to evil”, but in fact you will save thousands innocent lives. Strike NOW and come back is better.
Jassem Othman – Syrian dissident
53. Daniel Lions
I entirely agree with you…I also highly fearful of Islamists and mad nationalists in the Middle East…maybe they will organize a caliphate and the favorite Caliph for them is Mr. Obama or Osama….
54. wayne, Perhaps Dr. Ledeen is not qualify for Presidency as he has mentioned the reason he is from a foreign country;) In fact Dr. Ledeen deserve to rule a part of the world…in general we need in the USA a few men JUST LIKE (Dr. Ledeen and Orville Platt and Albert Beveridge, Gen. Smedley Butler, William Giles and Teddy Roosevelt.) These men really are very very very rare men.
What we conservatives need is a little more neocon warmongering because we know how happy the iraqis and afghans are to liberated western democracies. If the libyan people want freedom, let them fight for it. However, supplying arms to opposition might be an acceptable 3rd option.
sorry grady this has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and i don’t print gratuitous insults…
“In 1986, my good friend Michael Ledeen, at that time adviser for anti-terrorism in the Reagan administration, told me that the president was fed up with Libyan dictator Qaddafi. Reagan had proof that he was behind the bombing of the La Belle discotheque in West Berlin, a popular hangout for American servicemen, where two American soldiers had been killed and some 200 people injured. Reagan asked me to provide a minute description of Qaddafi’s tents, where I had met the Libyan tyrant many times. Ledeen got my answer. On April 15, 1986, U.S. warplanes attacked the Libyan cities of Tripoli and Benghazi, in the process also destroying the tent of Libyan leader Qaddafi … According to media reports, Qaddafi had left that tent just minutes before the U.S. attack.”
- Ion Mihai Pacepa
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/259038/reagan100-he-knew-how-deal-dictators-ion-mihai-pacepa
Really? Are you allowed shed more light on this?
i delivered a letter. just as it says.
I think you guys are being too cynical about all this. I of course agree with you regarding the lack of a democratic tradition, the apparent personality flaws of the Arab character writ large, and the rest of it. But this is a Soviet stooge, a Liberace of the Terror War long before most in the West understood themselves to be embroiled in such a war. The immediate question for the USA, the tactical question, is to hurry the collapse of the Soviet malingerers and prevent the strategic pinions of our Mideast balance – e.g. in Egypt – from shifting to the other camp, whether sponsored by the Shanghai Cooperation Org or purely Islamist (if there is a meaningful difference viz. our interests). This may take months or years, and constant “intervention in internal affairs,” whether through arms agreements, diplomatic favors, economic aid, media manipulation, covert force or subversion – all the instruments of modern statecraft. This region is critical to the global commercial “infrastructure” that US grand strategy seeks to harness everyone to in order to avert more violent violence.
But in Libya, these people may be tribal, they may be Sunni muslims who jump when the qadi says jump, they be totally idiosyncratic viz. modern life, broadly as that may be conceived – but they are people who were truly the objects of state terror, like Saddam’s subjects were, and they deserve a shot. The pro-regime military assets that we discern should be going up in fireballs. B-2s should be lacing the country with “shock and awe.” This would be a PERFECT theatre for shock and awe, actually. What’s Libya going to do – direct its 65 year old terrorists to attack us? This could be like a Bosnia-Herzegovina for Obama without the necessary US ground contingent to secure the peace. Let the idiots do what they will once Qaddafi is gone – all that matters is that Qaddafi is gone, and a pinion of the Kremlin’s war is gone.
That, by the way, is what we were really doing in Iraq. This time though there wouldn’t be any Americans’ lives at stake, except perhaps indirectly. C’mon, if we can hit precisely, without fear of real retaliation, and we can support these people by crushing real serious nuclear-weapons building assholes, why not do it? What the hell do we have them for? If we did the same thing in Iran, if the people in the streets of Tehran cowering under the basijhs’ batons and worse, had seen the military emplacements around Tehran going up in gigantic fireballs and then the scream of F-18s overhead – you son’t think the people would be inspired and the basijh would have cowered? C’mon man, they’re not supermen.
If we help either side then once they have won they will hate us just as passionately afterward as did the Somalis when we tried to help them: they were STARVING TO DEATH. We tried to FEED them. Their response: call us infidels and drag our soldiers through the streets! That’s the psychosis we’re witnessing right now. Screw ‘em. Let them kill each other. It’s all they know; it’s all they want. All this “freedom” talk is absolute garbage. They’re insane. They want to destroy each other, and they must – at this point the psychosis cannot be cured (if it ever could) – and they will. This is not Bosnia. This is Hell active and present on planet Earth. We can’t do anything about it and we shouldn’t try.
Michael,I have this in italian:Un dilemma per gli analisti è il giorno dopo l’analisi
You make reflections not analysis,a duty more estrict.
Given how much a demagogue the current occupant of the Oval Office is, and he is hardly alone for there are so many demagogues inside the beltway that you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting at least three; they will continue
to conclude they are right, because their criteria are satisfied.
Meanwhile, back on the ranch, other people are taking more into consideration, and they agree with you, Michael.
Seems that elements of the airforce have defected in the East so perhaps your putative military strike should avoid airbases around Benghazi, Mr Ledeen.
Now with Ghaddafi’s opposition waving anti-Jewish symbols I hope you can see that our involvement in this could never lead to anything good. I usually agree with you but this time I just can’t disagree more strenuously. Nothing good will come from this tragedy. They’re insane with hatred of all kinds, but especially of hatred for Jews and America. We should not even offer “humanitarian” aid as we now are. We should do nothing at all. This is Satanic. “….where angels fear to tread.”
Hello ML, just returned to this posting and have to say that I’m not sure we need to do much in Libya after all. First of all, There’ the report that Russia delivered their top of the line anti aircraft systems to Libya earlier this year and we may have a lot of losses even implementing a no-fly zone. Secondly, I have had enough of these failed attempts to to boost the fortunes of Islamic countries after Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Turkey, etc….let them rot is becoming my motto.
Time is running out for ownership of the Libyan uprising; the longer it takes, the more Islamic its character will become; NATO, France, US…they should bomb Qaddafis air force and while at it work in logistics, a few major troops concentration and command and communication facilities. It should be done now.
good idea, help the “pro democracy” protesters win the battle against Gaddafi, also a potential business opportunity to sell them our old helicopters and airplanes
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