I suppose it’s a tribute to the president’s tenacity, or perhaps his inability to think outside the box of conventional wisdom, but he seems to be totally unwilling to accept a Divine gift.
He’s facing some terrible foreign policy decisions, decisions he doesn’t want to make, and he’s right to want to avoid them, because whichever way he tilts, it’s going to be bad for him. Take Afghanistan. McChrystal and Petreus have told him that if he doesn’t go all in, to the tune of forty thousand or so additional American fighters, he’s likely to see the war there go into the tank. Those generals are outstanding leaders and analysts, and if they say that, it’s probably true. On the other hand, President Obama is probably being told by his political brain trust that, if he antes up the forty thousand, there will be anger from his left (his solid base), while if he doesn’t provide the new troops, and bails out, there will be anger from mainstream Americans.
Remember your Patton: “The American people hate a loser.”
So either way, the president is likely to alienate a considerable number of voters. Which, needless to say, displeases him.
Take Iran. The Islamic Republic is the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism (or whatever I’m supposed to call it in Newspeak), is directly and indirectly killing Americans most every day in Iraq and Afghanistan, and is working on atomic bombs. Most of the time, he seems to think that the first two are “management” issues; it’s a variation of law enforcement. But he’s made it clear for quite some time that he is determined to prevent Iran from building its own nukes. He’s said it so many times that one has a tendency to forget the many rhetorical changes:
–On April 6th, “Now, Iran’s leaders must choose whether they will try to build a weapon or build a better future for their people.”
–On June 4th, in Cairo, “…It is clear to all concerned that when it comes to nuclear weapons, we have reached a decisive point. This is not simply about America’s interests. It is about preventing a nuclear arms race in the Middle East that could lead this region and the world down a hugely dangerous path.”
–On July 7th, in Moscow, “We should be united in opposing…Iran’s efforts to acquire a nuclear weapon.”
–On September 23rd, to the United Nations General Assembly, “We must embrace a new era of engagement based on mutual interest and mutual respect, and our work must begin now.”
–On September 25th, in Pittsburgh at the G20 meeting, “Iran must comply with U.N. Security Council resolutions and make clear it is willing to meet its responsibilities as a member of the community of nations. … [T]he Iranian government must now demonstrate through deeds its peaceful intentions or be held accountable to international standards and international law.”
–On October 1st, in his press conference, he used both of his basic themes, the “outstretched hand” and the “time is up”: “we’re not interested in talking for the sake of talking. If Iran does not take steps in the near future to live up to its obligations, then the United States will not continue to negotiate indefinitely, and we are prepared to move towards increased pressure. If Iran takes concrete steps and lives up to its obligations, there is a path towards a better relationship with the United States, increased integration with the international community, and a better future for all Iranians.”
He had previously given Iran a late September deadline, then let it slide to October 1st, and it has now been extended to an October 18th “followup meeting.”
It’s pretty obvious that Iran has no intention of abandoning its nuclear program. Just look at the headlines in the official press: “Iran will not give up its right under any circumstances,” and “Excellent negotiations today.”
Michael, even though you are physically closer to the circus than I am, yet politically both of us are very distant from the scene inside the beltway you describe, the animosity of the current occupant of the Oval Office to the “Dead White Men” is so palpable that anything that rings even the slightest endorsement of them is simply not acceptable.
Plus, there have been news reports that the Taliban in Afghanistan are funded more by donations from abroad (hello Saudi Arabia and Iran) than by moneys they make via opium trafficking.
I don’t think that Holbrooke is wrong on this:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hKfuCdA-9pbSMVJesc2axa2FzEkAD9B16MTO0
The provincialism of some on my side of the Canada/US border is instructive. They would say that a Canadian is not an American. Well,
there are people who say their identity is, We
are not ______. And that is sufficient for them, rendering themselves blind to what they
inflict upon themselves.
So, my recommendation, which has been made before, and has either encountered silence, opposition, or some support is the same: An American government in exile to carry out your
sage advice. For the current lot of deformed souls who have their paws on the levers of power inside the beltway do not want to heed your sage words, because they would be proven wrong, and that is simply unacceptable.
Perhaps Obama’s cohort DOES see, ——— but are simply uninterested in seeing the downfall of that regime.
Again and again Obama has demonstrated a soft spot for tyrants hostile to the West and to the United States, not just in the Mideast, but in Central America too. So perhaps they do see how weak that regime is, perhaps they do see how close to the ledge it presently is, and they’re working hard to validate it, working hard to legimate it.
Why else one on one talks?
Why else raise the rulers of that regime, those that benefited from a wholly fradulent “election,” to international legitimacy by entering into high level discussions with them.
The Professor kind of assumes that Obama and his administration are really interested in seeing that regime fall. But is there really evidence for that?
Miracle? Miracle? What Miracle. The VERY FACT that Obama was elected—A Democrat, and NOT a Republican—has brought Islamic Rep. to this point.
The SOLE, the entire plutonium 235 that is making Ahmadinejad piss in his pants is OBAMA. YES, let me REPEAT again, and you people on the right INTENTIONALLY IGNORE this VERY SUN-LIKE FACT…YES FACT…LET ME REPEAT THE FACT that it is ONLY and ONLY and THE ONLY REASON we are seeing progress in Iran is ONLY DUE TO OBAMA, and by that I mean a DEMOCRAT in the White House.
Now, you people on the right, who have God-given talent of IGNORING FACTS and THICK SKIN to handle ALL the damage you’ve caused the U.S., now, ALL of you appear to forget 1000% of the HISTORICAL damage you have done to U.S. and its foreign policy.
So for the record, at least for nano honesty I hope you people have, deep within the layers of DNAs, you know SO WELL that what is happening in Iran is ONLY and ONLY because Obama took over and through quite channels, he conveyed to Ahmadinejad gang: STOP bull.sh.ing and your show with Bush is over. No more Mr. Nice guy.
Now, let’s read your total hallucination.
Dear Sir,
First, I think you are generally a remarkably sane voice about Iranian-American relations.
Second, I think your analysis today is off.
Going for regime change in Iran or even the more subtle supporting of the democratic opposition has a proven track record of failure. (Mossadeq in 1953, dealings with the Shah, backing pro-democracy candidates only to have Iranians learn about it and elect the more conservative candidate as happened when Ahmadenijad first came to power.)
I think you underestimate how important and groundbreaking yesterday’s talks really were.
By sending the uranium to Russia a win-win situation was created. The Iranians retain their right to peaceful nuclear technology. The west gains oversight and control.
The Iranian mindset is incredibly difficult to understand. You have to remember that during the previous P5+1 talks, what the Iranians said they wanted before anything else was respect.
This is incredibly telling. Even yesterday Iran was talking about creating a more spiritual and friendly world. It is a mistake to see these as stalling tactics — instead we would understand the Iranian mindset more if we took them at their word and accepted, that more than anything else, the Iranians crave a psychological victory.
In saying this, I do not downplay the destructive role that the Iranians are playing in Iraq and Afghanistan. What I am doing is urging that to deal successfully with the Iranians we have to ask ourselves what it is that they are really after. Once we do that, and only after we do that, will we be able to achieve our foreign policy goals.
Yesterday’s talks give me hope that we may be starting to realize this.
FACT AND ONLY FACT Alireza:
It is because of Obama that the terrorist regime of mullahs feel certain that all will be ok with them at the end. It is because of Obama that Manouchehr Mohamadi from the foreign policy office of the mullah regime advised his own goons NOT TO piss off Obama since Obama is in the tank with them and want to work things out with them so they should not piss Obama off like the way they did it with Carter back in 1979 which resulted in bringing a man with a vision Reagan into the office. He continued to say that democrats are and have been their sole supporters and protectors so they should accept that and show friendly gestures to them in return. He warned that pissing Obama off will definitely result in bringing a REPUBLICAN into the office which can result in their demise!!!
I do not know what kind of DNA you have but at least get YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!
LIBERALISM OF THE MODERN ERA (NOT THE CLASSICAL LIBERALISM) IS A MENTAL DISORDER INCAPABLE OF A FIX!!!
Obama, has revealed little about his past and motivation. My guess is that Obama is a socialist narcissist, full of wishful thinking, convinced that most of life would be better if he were given the power to rearrange everything. The following describes what I think is his position.
Obama sees himself as a leader of The World, with a power base in the US. Not yet THE leader of the world, and not merely an example for the world.
He intends to bring a rational voice to world politics while damping the avaricious nature of the U.S. He thinks he is the smartest man in the world (in every room he has been in), and can craft brilliant solutions. He may be the only one who sees these solutions as correct, until others catch up.
He says that he wants the right solution as a philosopher king, not a closed-minded victory for the U.S.
He has said that diplomacy isn’t a football game. Why fight over the ball for victory when we should be sharing the ball under his leadership? He wants the U.S. to be like all the other countries, especially the socialist ones. He says that we are not exceptional.
Tyrannies such as Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, China, and Iran are badly run, but at least they are further along the road to top-down rule. Their regimes can be changed from bad to enlightened without going through the pain of convincing their populations through elections.
The problem with Iran is that their words don’t match their deeds. This is a matter of education, to bring their words and deeds into agreement. It is more of a teaching problem than a win/lose adversarial relationship.
Obama’s subversive zeal is all focussed on “a fundamental transformation of the United States of America”, the ultimate and final vindication of a long cherished dream, the long overdue triumph of all the ardent disciples of Robin Hood, the first community organizer of record!
In you had trapped yourself in such a narcissistic house of mirrors, perhaps you’d be afraid that the latent green revolution might, God Forbid (can’t tell which God), actually steal your thunder!
Why would he even think of helping those pesky protestors who are scheming to preempt his own epic masterpiece? And their color is green, on top of it! One divine intervention may not suffice. Luckily there is more than one God involved. Perhaps a second miracle will help the Iranian protestors save Obama from himself?
Welcome to the new standard of universal social justice: Presumed messianic until proven idiot!.
Indeed stranger than fiction. It’s a nightmare but America refuses to wake up. The only way out is the John Perry suggestion from his censored Newsmax article.
Patriotic Americans need to begin spreading the idea of a military coup, especially to our friends and relatives in the armed services. This is it, there is not going to be a military before long if the generals don’t step in and remove these leftists from office.
Did anyone else notice Council of Economic Advisors member Austan Goolsbee joking about going back to the textbooks of Marx and Trotsky? They’re not even trying to hide it anymore.
http://www.zamaaneh.com/pictures-new/manaelection50.jpg
This is what IS IGNORED INTENTIONALLY.
The best chance/opportunity to have this criminal regime removed is slipping away from us slowly and the US government is mired in endless, useless negotiations that do nothing but prop up the mullahs’ regime. It’s shameful to see how the Obama people are ignoring and disrespecting the blood of so many people (including Neda, Sohrab, Amir…) spilled in the streets of Iranian towns and cities. Why? Have you no SHAME, Obama?
This president is trying to deal with a potentially explosive (no pun intended) in a diplomatically mature way. He is using mult-lateral pressure, in concert with our allies (Britain, France etc) to bring Iran into the fold while trying to hold off Israel from going it alone in action and deed. Its a very tricky time. The mideast is problems are almost too complicated to juggle without spilling some liquid or dropping the tray. At least the the loony right/s idea that maybe we can convert them all to christianity and build shopping malls filled with mickey d’s is no longer part of the equation. And you know the middle east is happy with that.
First off, it is pointless quoting Obama, nothing he says has much meaning nor does it reflect his intentions. He just talks, he says what he thinks sounds good, it’s all rhetoric.
Second, the men with guns control Iran, there will be no regime change as long as the military & Revolutionary Guards support the regime. They don’t care how many people they kill.
Third, only military action can stop Iran’s nuclear program. Even a delay of several years is worthwhile. Talk of diplomacy & sanctions is just an excuse for doing nothing.
While all politicians consider the political consequences to themselves personally, Obama takes this to a new & dangerous extreme.
The actual results of Obama’s bungling, dithering, & indecision is to convince Israel that they have no choice but to attempt a military strike.
Virtually all misery in human history has been caused by people that wants diplomacy at all cost.
No matter what happens in Iran, they have embassies from all over the world except two: USA and Israel.
The message is clear.
And they have lots of oil.
Befriending the USA is not a priority.
Quarreling with the USA is a ploy to keep the rulers in their place, just like the Republicans inspire fear and paranoia in their constituents.
Weak President. He is seen by most Americans in this light. He certainly
is seen by our allies in the same way and don’t think for one minute
that our enemies don’t smell the same thing…!!
As nearly always on PJM, an intelligent, well-thought out article. However, although your end is certainly laudable, I think you have vastly oversimplified the means to it, given that the only thing holding together the current regime is its opposition to US interventionism. If it becomes demonstrably correct that we are interfering with Iran (with your proposals), wouldn’t that play into the lies and manipulation that the current Iran leadership is using to prop itself up ?
we’re accused of it every day, even though we’re not doing it. might as well get some benefit, dontcha think?
@10 Poor Citizen
At least the the loony right/s idea that maybe we can convert them all to christianity and build shopping malls filled with mickey d’s is no longer part of the equation.
Rubbish. The Bush administration went to great lengths to demonstrate that we are nor engaged in a holy war. Opposing Islamism does not require imposing Christianity. The policy of the Bush administration was to promote freedom.
You are not just a poor citizen but a loopy liar.
Obama, as a pathological narcissist, has no ability to take any action that is not directly related to his narcissism. That is, he only acts in situations where the result is that the Other is in a state of adulation of Obama.
In any other situation, eg where he must write a policy, oversee a program, set up a plan..that will work for others’ benefit and not for that immediate ‘roar of the crowd’…Obama freezes. He is intellectually empty in such situations.
So, he delegates everything, and his sole activity is The Salesman in constant campaign. For himself.
He won’t and is unable to campaign for the Iranian people’s democratic desires because it’s for Them, not him.
His egoism and narcissm is so great that IF he can’t manipulate an Other into a state of adulation, then, the Other ceases to exist for Obama. Iran will simply cease to exist; Obama will mouth empty and contradictory platitudes but to him, Iran simply ‘isn’t existent’.
Obama, as has been noted, lives in a virtual world, a fictional world, and it is closed to reality.
Alireza and her/his CAPSLOCK aside, it should be starting to seem very strange, even to raving Obamatons, that this administration would prefer that the Iranian people STFU and let the president talk with the mullahs while these madmen develop a nuclear weapon. Remember nuclear weapons? We used to be afraid of them. Again, perhaps oddly, we were more afraid of them when only a handful of fairly rational nations possessed them. Go figure!
Im actually going to have to concur with Vivo…sort of. The Iranian thugocracy does not care about what we think or factor our pathetic sanctions into their thinking at all.
But I’d have to take Vivo to task for his not applying the same observational consistency to the Dems that he does to the republicans.
My feeling is that in the back of his post colonial studies addled mind…BHO actually wants Iran to have nukes. His thinking that the US is simply a nation amongst nations actually become a kind of truth when the likes of the Iranian regime has the bomb.
The once great America, she is on her own, kind Sir.
Brush up on the Español. It’s going to be a bumpy ride.
To Poor Citizen and his quote: “At least the the loony right/s idea that maybe we can convert them all to Christianity and build shopping malls filled with mickey d’s is no longer part of the equation.”
That is not loony right’s vision believe me!!!
Iran has had these shopping malls for decades!!!
I don’t know where you get your logic from.
May be a virtual tour of Iran or mere pictures, youtube videos, reading classical history of the land, etc. can get you more knowledgeable about the country, its people and its culture.
Obama is inexperienced and an ideologue in heart and history has shown that diplomacy with no end in sight always result in failure.
To JL:
Perfectly said!
Thank you!
Michael, one of the more famous poems of Mao Tse-tung (I refuse to go along anymore with the reworking of the Chinese language, for the capital has, for the longest time has been Peking), has the line, “Cold Eyed, I contemplate the world”. In “The Keys of this blood” by Malachi Martin (a one time Jesuit professor who is no longer with us) we find a reference to this line, and how Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev was the possessor of the coldest eye. Nowadays, it looks like Putyin has the coldest eye, but I dare say that the current occupant of the big desk in the Oval Office is giving Putyin a run for his money. Nothing will change his mind, or to effect a change in course, that was charted by Wright and Ayers.
So, once again, Michael, I issue this challenge: Which expatriate Americans have the cojones of declaring a government in exile, and implement the sage words of Michael Ledeen, so that more lands are liberated from the double standard employed by the deformed souls such as Hu Jintao, Ahmadinezhad, Nasrallah, Chavez, Khadaffy, Putyin, Assad, Erdogan, and all the rest of those who deserve to be on this list but are not named. For the government that respects the property rights of more people, and for it to be done more often, has more to show for the time since the conquering of Constantinople by those who are identified by property rights of fewer being protected less often.
I see it now, what you’re saying, why it took so long to get the right words to sink in, I don’t know. Bombing the shit out of a recipe for an organized coup is the real disaster in the making. What’s not being answered is why this obvious path to achieving the same desired goal is not being explored. It’s as if some of his choice advisory trustee’s didn’t spend their lives delivering lectures to the impressionable masses, praising endless revolutionary causes past, present, near & far. A Free Tibet opportunity, that won’t just become a trendy bumper sticker awaits them at the helm. Constituents have granted them this golden moment to spearhead a grand campaign of “change” while limiting & containing negative repercussions. Are the realities that gripping as to inspire creative paralysis? Might the big picture be too cumbersome for cursory experience? Has the luxury of box seats spoiled their idealism?
Clearly, and as so many here have been quick to offer, we need to kill every last every Iranian if necessary.
Now THAT’S what I call a foreign policy! . . . OORAH!
Years ago I saw a movie based on a true story, about a Jewish-American boy in New York, who joined the skinheads and attacked Jews in New York. Now, as I ALWAYS said LONG BEFORE even other Iranian researchers find out that Ahmadinejad is indeed from a Jewish family in Iran, who very recently changed its last name to Ahmadinejad. This is the Daily Tel. article about their findings:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6257611/Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-Jews-in-Iran.html
Now when you look into the ultra right-wings individuals in Iran, who are closest to the leader are mainly and SOLELY Iranians that converted to Islam in the last 50-70 years.
People like Shariatmadari of the Keyhan is one, as well as a Bazari political party that all of them are in Iran’s trade and commerce. Many of these people converted to Islam out of FEAR of losing their properties and wealth. On the surface they keep and pretend the most Islamic conducts, but in their private are not Muslim at all.
As I said before, Jews in Iran go back to 2500 years. There were so many intermarriages and mixing of Jews with other Iranians that at least 40-50% of Iranians have Jewish blood and they don’t know it. That is why if Iranians need bone marrow in Iran, most probably they should look into Israel’s registry to find a match, given so much DNA similarities.
Now let’s go and watch more stupid shows by BB and Ahmadinejad going after each other, while Palestinians watch more lands are made into condos.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6860161.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093
Did Russia helped iran to develop warheads ?
Alienating voters displeases him??? He couldn’t care less. If he did he would stop the ObamaCare treachery. He is not motivated by the same things which motivate normal human beings in his position. You cannot analize him with traditional barometers. He is a radical put in place to get a job done. Sink America to the point of no return. Wake up.
To #17. Dr. Matt, following the recent Iranian fiasco elections, did you happen to notice the signs of the Iranian protesters – written in English and asking for US help?
21. billslayer:
“…BHO actually wants Iran to have nukes. His thinking that the US is simply a nation amongst nations actually become(s) a kind of truth when the likes of the Iranian regime has(sic) the bomb.”
This doesn’t make sense.
Besides, the Russian and the Chinese are watching those moves. They will buy enriched uranium from Iran.
Every last one of em . . . who’s with me? Come on, patriots! We got some killin to do! Gear up, saddle up and move out, fellow freedom fighters! Put those guns and ammo to some good use. Yee-haw! Here we go! . . . Hey . . . what . . . Are you ready? . . . Come on! . . . Let’s ride! . . . let’s . . . hey, what happened? . . . I thought we were committed to freedom . . . I thought . . . You don’t want to go to Iran? . . . But then who . . . You don’t care, as long as it’s not you . . . You’d just as soon not be involved . . . Better to watch it on TV . . . No blood or sacrifice that way . . . Just sit and watch it . . . and eat . . . yeah.
While I freely acknowledge the fact Mr. Ledeen is more an expert than I am with regards to Iran, I feel more than just words are needed to help the “Green Revolution”. Unfortunately our President (and Foggy Bottom) have missed out on a real opportunity to make a difference. And, even though I am a card carrying Republican, I feel Bush also failed to take advantage of the burgeoning unrest in Iran.
I still maintain that the current regime can weather out the storm of unrest, especially since they have allies in Russia and China who are vested in the “status quo” and are both willing to provide economic and technical help (I read somewhere that Iran, with Chinese assistance, has dramatically increased its ability to refine gasoline.. Mr. Ledeen, correct me if I am wrong) .
Don’t expect President Obama to do more than talk and don’t expect any meaningful sanctions from the international community. China is the real key and China WILL NOT support any UN Sanctions. They see the current regime as a useful tool that acts as a pain and distraction to the U.S. Make no mistake, the Chinese will play hardball and support the current regime as long as possible. It is in their interests.
As for the Bomb, even if the “Greens” take over, the sheer weight of the effort Iran has put into making a bomb will give it a life of its own. There are too many vested interests for it to grind to a halt. Iran sees the chance to regain the luster of ancient Persia and once more “assume” its rightful role as one of the world’s first tier powers. No Nukes, No Luster. Just ask China, India, Pakistan, and even France, who, without Nukes and its UN Veto power, would just be a big version of Lichtenstein.
When Soviet Union collapsed, we all thought that the Cold war and bad times were behind us. All that happened is that we turned a Communist Totalitarian State into a Capitalist Totalitarian State.
Even if the “Greens” topple the current regime, don’t expect a happy ending to this. Iran is determined to get the Bomb and they will, regardless of who is nominally in charge. My two cents.
Cheers
ER White
President Obama’s actions speak louder than words. He said that he would not interfere with a country’s internal affairs and so would not take a position about the legality or illegality of the recent elections in Iran – but he has tried to interfere with the internal affairs of Honduras, claiming that the ouster of Zelaya was illegal – when it was actually the application of the law of Honduras, and his interfering in the internal affairs of Israel, even to telling Israel how to deal with residential matters.
So I think that Obama is actually a supporter of tyranny and opposed to democracy.
Alireza, I’d say you’re one of a kind, but your analysis, like my own, reflect the essence of the imbued, dominant logic in our respective regions.
Everyone’s missing the point. Regime change is not an option for Obama. It’s not. He is fully vested in his belief in his ability to talk these guys down from the ledge. His own ego depends on it.
When evaluating Obama, you have to forget what you know about people’s motivations. His psyche is abnormal. His value system is not the same as yours. Just toss it all out and figure it all out based on what he actually does and what he chooses not to do. He’s strictly reactive based on his psychological need. There is no real proactiveness there. It’s all reactive.
Look at the Olympics bid. Why go there? Because that’s where the limelight is. If he closes the deal, well, “Gosh, folks, look at how wonderful I are.” A two-fer. There are greater things to focus on, but his need sent him without any planning. There was no plan B. There was no thought of failure and how it might affect the rest of his agenda.
Each thing is separate based on the need of his narcissistic focus. Nothing is connected. It’s all about his need. He needs his fix. He needs it often and in ever larger doses. When his numbers completely tank, when he can no longer get his fix, he will slide into outright insanity, and we shall have a President Biden. (Oh, joy! Oh, rapture!)
37. Marc Malone:
“He’s strictly reactive based on his psychological need. There is no real proactiveness there. It’s all reactive.”
I haven’t analyzed him as deeply as you have. There is probably a grain of truth there, but I don’t think he’s pathologically as sick as you put it. The problems inherited from Bush are not simple and I don’t think there is a human who can wipe them out neatly. I think he has been warming up and procrastinating until he gets flash of urgency. One of the problems of acting quickly is that people overreact to change, so damn if he does and damn if he doesn’t . . .
BTW, Iran chattering should be ignored. Let other deal with their theatrics and political teasing. They love confrontation.
Brilliant analysis, and very true…but the modern Left has NEVER supported a Democratic people’s movement to overthrow a tyrannical government. Obama thinks like a Socialist, and this solution would never occur to him.
Propaganda.
The issue America has with Iran is Iran’s violation of the NPT, with that violation creating the possibility of Iran building nuclear weapons.
Which regime is in charge of those nuclear weapons is not any concern of the USA.
You are selling the Big Lie that a regime change will put an end to Iran’s non-compliance with the NPT and their goal of building nuclear weapons. Show us where the new nutjob has said they will stop the Iranian nuclear program. You can’t because they haven’t and won’t. About the only thing the two sides agree on is Iran having a nuclear program that is in violation of the NPT. Oh yea, both sides believe is screwing the little guy in the name of Allah, keep women in bondage and rejecting most human rights. Tell me again why the USA should be in favor of regime change? You get paid if it happens?
The problem is the nuclear weapons, not which nutbag is playing with the button.
Yee-haw! . . . every last one of em . . . Come on, boys! . . . USA! USA! USA! . . . Jeff Gordon in the 24 car . . . Ted Nugent in a loincloth . . . Glen Beck in a rubber ambulance . . . Let’s roll! . . . I know you’re . . . hello? . . . Fellas? . . . Time’s a waastin . . . We gotta act, y’all said so yourselves . . . Yee . . . hah?
Now and Then, you and Vito completely misunderstand. as a conservative, I’m very much in favor Of Iran building nukes. Even more then you are.
They won’t nuke Mussel Shoals Alabama where I live or anyplace else I’m likely to be.
They will nuke places like New York, Chicago, L.A. D.C. etc. Places full of liberal democrats.
Since it is liberal democrats that are destroying America, I am completely in favor of Iran building nukes.
After all it’s liberal democrats that are allowing Iran to build nukes, so it’s only fair that they reap the fruits of their labor.
Laughing all the way to the Pika Dan (LATWTTPD).
Pika Dan is japanese for “Flash Bang” (Boom). That is what the Japs in Hiroshima named the Atomic Bomb. I figure they earned the right to name it. With any luck, those New Yorkers that survive can rename it if they want. So long as Michael Moore and CBS are radioactive clouds drifting over the Atlantic, I’m happy.
It seems to me that he is doing as he should.
I mean, if his bosses in Saudi tell he to be a loser, then of course he must obey and be a loser.
Personally, I don’t think he needs the Saudis for that, he seems capable all by himself.
45. John “birther” Samford:
Sorry, John, I can’t consider your comment until you show me your birth certificate. Given the literacy rate in Alabama allow me to give you a little hint: it’s the piece of paper with your little footprints on it.
Joe the Plumber
Be careful. Advocating civil war is like yelling fire in a theater. It isn’t protected speech.
I think it’s Ok to be prepared for a civil war, so long as you don’t conspire with anyone to start it.
It would be better for everyone if the Military stayed out of this one. No need for them anyway.
This time around the weapons of famine and assassination will be used. No flags a-wavin’, bugle a=blarin’, or cannons a-roarin’.
Just a sudden shot ringing out, the rasp of a knife cutting a throat, thousands of truckers parking their loads on a bridge, tossing the keys in the water and walking away.
Now and Later. Candy boy, I’m not POTUS. There is no legal requirement for me to prove my identity. Where Berry screwed the pooch was providing a forged Birth Certificate to run for the Senate. That really doesn’t matter, since a Senator from Illinois is nothing. Then when he ran for POTUS, he was stuck with that forgery because it would have raised eyebrows for him to present 2 different Birth Certificates.
In the end, the government, as it always does will change back to Republican. Then the BC becomes important. No BC and ALL the legislation Berry signs becomes null and void. So the Republicans can wipe out 2 or 4 years of Democratic legislation in one stroke of the pen.
I’m laughing. Poor dumb moonbats done shot themsleves in the foot again.
HaHa HEHE Ho Ho.
Keep birthing. It helps us convince the “REAL” Americans just how crazy the extreme right is. His birth records have been verified by the people who matter, and the pleas before the court have been rejected. But hey, stay with it. As for your BC, I’m afraid I still need to see it before I can consider you an American worthy of a citizen’s opinion. Cough it up, good buddy.
Great idea Mr. Ledeen. so Obama and Hillary crticize the regime, you hire a couple of djs at Voice of America, and the Iranian regime, ashamed of itself, crumbles down. Because Obama has magical powers. And because Americans rule the world, so that everything an American president wants becomes reality.
Obama wants A’jad and the mullahs to build, have, and to use their nukes, to drop them on Israel, the Jewish state they both wish to destroy.