And so now we have it.
I thought I might need to try my small part to cheer people up and calm them down, but for once I have underestimated the American people. People, by and large, seem not only calm but absolutely determined. Everywhere I have looked this morning the reaction seems to be more or less the same: a nation of steely-eyed missile men. These Marxist bastards have no idea what is coming for them. No idea.
Laugh while you can, Monkey Boys.
What passed last night is a long way from the single-payer, socialist dream its supporters secretly — and not so secretly — really want. As a matter of fact, it’s hard to imagine a bill more perfectly constructed to tee off everyone: Conservatives hate it for it’s regulation, cost and explosive growth of government; liberals hate it because it forces people (so far, so good!) to buy premiums form the hated private insurance companies. (What the–!)
So, in terms of limiting the practical and immediate damage, holding it here — just holding it — is important and essential. Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have an IQ of 130 — that would be combined between the three of them and you can get to 150 if you throw in Biden — and so they actually believe that a few months from now, they will be able to add single-payer to this goat rodeo, this bloodbath, this circus of incompetence conducted by this museum-grade confederacy of dunces. It got them a bill that requires people to pay for private insurance — which I am, of course, utterly opposed to on every level — but that is way short of single payer and we MUST hold the line here and not an inch further until reinforcements arrive in January. And they will. In numbers that will astonish and amaze the most optimistic among us.
We need to understand the great lesson we have learned about these people in this debate. Barack Obama is, to the liberal cause, a politician that comes not once in a decade, or once in a generation, or even once per century. Barack Obama is, to them, a once in history opportunity for progressives to control this country, and they will fall on a forest of swords to achieve those ends because this is the best chance they have ever had or ever will have to permanently shackle the people to the state. They know that this Health Care fiasco will cost them the House and now perhaps the Senate in November, but that new Congress will not seat until January and in the ten months between now and then they will, I predict, start an orgy of legislation that will make this Health Care circus look like a tea party.
But it seems to me that they have spent every dime of political capital in the bank and have done nothing less than awoken from its long and deep slumbers the American Giant, who in attempting to sit upright discovers the Lilliputian threads that have been staked into the ground with finishing nails and who looks around, blinking and disoriented, fatter and softer and much, much poorer than he was when he last opened his eyes back in 1941, but possessed now as then with a terrible anger and capable still of mighty exertions.
So, to the short term: everybody knows that Reid and Pelosi and The Lightworker himself, obviously, are all hoping to use this bill as the foot in the door for the stuff they really want: a single-payer National Health System, or at least the “public option,” which is simply single-payer on the installment plan. We can’t let them get that. Going forward, we can’t let them get single-payer, or cap and trade, or amnesty, or any of it.
We can learn some lessons here. We have to. One lesson is message discipline. What is message discipline? I’ll give you an example:
What’s in a Big Mac? Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun! That’s what’s in a Big Mac. We have got to understand that saying NO! to this socialism is admirable and essential, but that from now on there has to be a counter-narrative to what these Marxists are selling, because like it or not the human brain is wired for stories — that’s how we learn (and why the real fight is not for Washington but rather Hollywood — but that’s a story for another time.)
If we want to win on health care, or any other issue, we need to have an answer to what they are selling and that answer needs to be as simple and comprehensive as the Big Mac slogan.
Our position on health care? Two tax incentives, health accounts, crossing state lines, tort reform, competition on an auto insurance bun. And if we don’t learn how to do this we will lose.
A final thought on this darkish day: much is said about the “inevitability” of these kinds of legislation, that once enacted they are impossible to repeal or roll back.
This kind of thinking is self-fulfilling defeatism and has to stop. ANY law enacted can be repealed. We repealed a constitutional amendment, for God’s sake. From now on we must change our message from one of limiting government growth and spending and regulation to one of reducing it.
It is true that no nation has in the past ever recovered from the cycle of entitlement, moral decay and aristocratic rot that we find ourselves in. But it is also true that no nation — not one in history — was established precisely in opposition to these cancers. It is also true that never before have common people — otherwise known as the Host Organism — had the means to speak directly to one another, as we are here. It is true that if there is to be an historical exemption to the Cycle of Civilization it is only here that it will occur, and it is also true that the concepts of Free Will and Destiny are antithetical to one another. One of them is true and the other is not. It is my belief that you can chose to abandon Free Will and chose to believe in destiny and historical inevitability, or you can take the risk to believe instead that there is a new world populated by optimists and dreamers, but dreamers with rifles as well as quills and parchment… People who have never surrendered and for whom the very idea of defeat and despair is anathema.
That’s a choice I make every day. What we see before us is the result of lost elections and redemption will come from winning elections. Mark these words, my friends: We are going to whip these Marxists out of their little commie boots!
May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one. -FireFly
You are what you do when it counts. -Armor
For when democracy becomes tyranny, those of us with rifles still get to vote — unknown
I sure hope you’re right. I for one, don’t think the next round of elections will go as well as a lot of people think. But then, I’ve always tended toward pessimism.
Actually, I believe that if you throw Biden in, the collective IQ goes down to 129.
In addition to trying to pass shamnesty, cap and steal, etc. in the coming months, look for the government also to try and get control of the internet in order to stifle dissent. America truly is in a fight for its life.
I’m in the “angry but despondent” camp myself, Bill… the only ray of hope I had was over the weekend when my CongresScum (Loretta Sanchez) went missing. I wrote her (since no one was answering the phone) letting her know I would do something I had never before done; I would volunteer for whomever her opponent is this November, which I will do… but it seems such a small, inadequate thing in the face of such unspeakable tyranny and abuse. I fear for the world my children will inherit.
We’ve been in a “Civil Cold War” for quite a while now, and I don’t see any way out of it without it getting pretty hot in the near future.
Dream on.
I agree with you politically, but your perception of politics is delusional. To do what you want, Republicans need 60% of the house, 60% of the Senate, and the will to do it. None of the three is going to happen.
Cuts like that didn’t happen under Newt Gingrich. cuts like that didn’t happen under Reagan. cuts like that aren’t going to happen. The Democrats are right-once its in place, its never going away. A few percentage points worth of angry white libertarians aren’t going to change the course of 51% of the people, the media, academia, the legal profession. Its over.
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I am glad that you bring up the 18th/21st amendments, because it is the best possible comparison to this.
It IS possible to repeal unjust and unfair laws, even when they become enshrined in the Constitution of the United States.
It may not be common. In fact, it may seem impossible because of the lack of success within most of our lifetimes. But is IS possible, and now necessary, to perform such a feat. Liberals believe in the power of of centralized government; that once given substance, it cannot be taken away. But liberals have always been blind to history, and what they cannot conceive of, we will make happen.
We lost the first decisive battle last year when we allowed the country to be fooled by empty promises from an empty suit. We lost again last night, a direct result of the previous election. But this time we lost after a year of fighting, a year of fighting over lost ground. And we almost won. Despite the odds, we made them pay for this victory, and we are now in a position for the next ten months to limit every new victory, and claw ourselves back to the line where we were only a few months ago.
And once we punch through this November, and those reinforcements are with us in January, we WILL take the fight to them. And while they may have weapons of their own, their side is not used to this kind of combat, of an opposition that is awakened, coordinated, but most importantly JUST in its course of action. And we will beat them. We will beat them, and starve them of funds, and beat them again in two years, and end this monstrosity.
Thank you, Bill, for keeping our spirits up. It is too easy in times like this to be crushed by despair. Keep writing, for all of our sakes.
Never read you before. Good Post. A Buckaroo reference elevates it to bordering on greatness. Will read you again.
Excellent fightin’ words, Mr. Whittle, as always! Many, many thanks for the work you do.
Let me just add: let’s not lose sight of the big picture. Yes, bigger even than President Obama’s plans for America.
Let’s not forget that there are plenty of other nations out there, many of whom don’t much like us. (Some like us less now than they did a year and a half ago; how about that?) Let’s not forget that terrorism has not gone away, simply because we were distracted by other things.
I don’t know if we will see another 9/11 on our shores; I pray to God that we will not. But we do know that, to people who wish to do us harm, our current infighting spells opportunity.
By all means, let’s get rid of this monstrosity of a bill, and let’s get rid of the people who dumped it on us. (Send them home, that is.) But keep your powder dry… and don’t forget who the enemy is.
President Obama may well be misguided, undereducated, full of himself, unbelievably out of touch with the people who elected him, stubborn, and vengeful… but he is not the enemy. The enemy, as a clever man once wrote, is he who would give his life for the chance to take yours.
respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline
… and just whom is to say that BO isn’t just that kinda guy???
The “enemy” that you mention,,,
BO is in just the right position, at just the right time,
to do a lot of hurtin on US!!!
How many virgins will he be entitled to when he ends up
gettin 100 million of US “DEAD!!!”
I would like to see the lid ripped off the Gramscian stealth march through the institutions that has been going on since 1972. It has in effect established a state religion with which children are brainwashed from pre-K through post-graduate work. The founders may not have known the word “ideology,” but I am confident that they would see the connection at once.
re: Daniel in Brookline. Please don’t take Obama lightly; he is the enemy. He is proving, while not giving up his life for our defeat, is certainly willing to give up his personal political life to that end. Losing the House and Senate, and yes, even the presidency in 2012 will be worth the gain accomplished if they are able to hold the ground gained and perhaps pick up a little immigration reform, as well.
Here are some things I was thinking in November of 2008.
What does all this mean? I simply can’t piece together an answer that doesn’t give rise to more questions.
I don’t know what to believe, other than to say…I’m not convinced of anything I’m being told and am growing ever more suspicious of what I am not being told, what is being hidden and what is being done with the Left-handed Monkey Wrench that the Grass Curtain Plumbers are using on the truth.
Massive voter registration fraud, massive campaign financing…with serious and dangerous circumvention of safeguards?
Repeated, consistent and haunting connections with some of the most virulent haters of America; these haters attack on the salt of the earth small town folks and “flyover country” residents; an even more frontal assault on the Constitution; a “spread the wealth” economic distribution plan; an open suggestion that a “fairness doctrine” be imposed to shut down talk radio and possibly other dissenters; an outline to drastically curtail the military budget and reduce our ability to defend militarily against foreign enemies; replacing that role instead with a “private civilian army” not constrained by oversight of the military…instead reporting directly to the civilian Commander?
Drown out opposing or dissenting voices? Kick them off the plane and shut them down on the airwaves? Take the property of the dissenters and give it to the loyal party workers? Indoctrinate schoolchildren and have them chant slogans and sing songs to the leader? Paramilitary exercises and “calls to action”, orders to “get in their faces” and browbeat your own parents and grandparents?
The media suddenly and almost completely consumed by a lack of curiousity, it ceases to defend “the little guy”…but instead attacks them with a ferocity heretofore reserved for national politicians. They goosestep their way to salute the private seal, the absence of the flag, the Che Guevara poster.
Let me summarize:
1) Strip the military of funding and reduce its manpower and ability to defend;
2) Strip the access of dissenters by kicking them off the plane, refusing access via the airwaves if they ask tough questions, institute a “fairness doctrine” to eliminate their voice on radio, possibly more on the way with the Internet.
3) Strip the capital and property and begin to redistribute those funds and property to party loyalists;
4) Attack the constitution, insert judges not elected by the people as operatives in redrafting it to suit the policies and procedures which the people never voted to approve.
5) Build a civilian army of loyal party members, in a new revolutionary guard against enemies…whomever they may be.
6) Take away the 2nd amendment rights of the people, by force, if necessary…because they “cling to guns and religion”. Not sure if religion is going to be allowed to “cling” to at this point, or if religious theater and theopolitics will be advanced.
7) Replace traditional symbols with new ones…the flag is the “wrong” kind of patriotism…but personal seals, wall sized portraits, a personal flag for the Leader are the “right” kind. Posters of fellow revolutionaries appears to be ok as well.
9) Elections rife with voter registration fraud and political operatives blocking investigation into the massive, overt and clear attempts to rig an election for one candidate with ties to the offending organizations. Jimmy Carter will be called in to announce that the elections are “fair”.
10) Massive evidence of campaign finance irregularities, foreign influence and laundered money, in order to buy more votes. Control from an outside agency or country is hidden and denied.
11) Louder and more vicious attacks on Jewish people popping up as a “gutter religion”, the “cause of massive suffering”, the “reason there is no peace”. A team is assembled to “reduce the Zionist influence”.
If I was going to start a revolution…I certainly couldn’t pick a better groundwork or foundation than this
and this is what I was thinking in October of 2008
Here is the problem in a nutshell. When the entrenched media decided to cast off the last vestiges of their pretense as guardians of the truth and as impassive seekers of fact…when they decided to openly and nakedly rig the election by and through their powers of distortion, they sealed off the portals to inquiries such as this.
The question is not now, nor has it ever been for anyone with an IQ above an ACORN…whether Senator Obama flirted with extreme far left radical ideology. It is pure sophistry to suggest otherwise. What has not been asked, in point of fact, what has been shielded from view for the American voting public…is how much took hold and how much remains in place.
Only when the prepared speeches end and the off the cuff mark seeps out of its shackles in the dungeon of duplicity, can we get a glimpse through the tower at the prisoner waiting to escape.
We are to assume, and then believe on a leap of faith…that “Frank” Marshall Davis…who sat the young Barry at his knee and told him how to think like a CPUSA member, yet left no mark upon the impressionable lad. (apparently in between abusing substances and 13 year old girls)
We are to assume, and then believe on a leap of faith that the radical professors at college (perhaps Edward Said being one?), and the radical fringe students with whom he chose to spend his free time, left no mark upon the worldview he was developing.
We are to assume, and then believe on a leap of faith that the Saul Alinsky training on how to “beat a democracy to death with its own rule book”, left no mark upon the use of the system to install radical extreme destruction and replacement into it, by pretending to be a non-threat to the middle class.
We are to assume, and then believe on a leap of faith that the funneling of hundreds of millions of dollars to “reeducation camps” which indoctrinated schoolchildren in the cultism of William Ayers view of this country, was a misread of the situation and because “Republicans” had their “names” involved as well…it was not a bad thing after all.
We are to assume, and then believe on a leap of faith, that the selection of Jeremiah Wright’s house of hate, inspired as it is upon the Marxist-black nationalist screed of James Cone…was merely a place to hang a prayer book on Sunday and offers no further exposure into the mind of the Democratic nominee for President.
We are to assume, and then believe on a leap of faith, that the dinners with wives and tasty wines and cheeses with Rashid Khalidi was merely an intellectual evening of professorial chatter and stories about living abroad, rather than an embrace of the notion that suicide bombers are honorable martyrs in a just cause.
We are to assume these things and more, based upon a leap of faith…because the truth remains sequestered behind the ink barrels and celluloid confines of a corrupt media prison. It is shackled and gagged and we only hear faint muffled shouts for freedom, when the campaign makes a slip of the tongue.
“THEY are bitter, angry slothful, but WE are the change you have been waiting for”
“THEY cling to their little religions, our religion is based upon political theater. THEY say their little prayers to their inferior deity, we declare if our deity doesn’t kill THEM, we must kill our deity”
“THEY salute their little flag and wear their little flag on their lapels, we stomp on that flag with dirty boots, because it is the “wrong” kind of patriotism”.
Oh…but if you point out these people….the Maoists whose blog disappears the day he is discovered, the playing of the God should damn America speech, the New Party membership….you are attacked as a “right wing demon”.
GUILT BY ASSOCIATION! GUILT BY ASSOCIATION!… is shouted by the guards at the gates where truth is held hostage.
No, guilt by affirmation. It is not the association that raises the question at hand. It is the affirmation by act, affirmation by deed, affirmation continued fealty to the ideology. It is the lack of examination of these acts of affirmation that condemns the entrenched media as co-conspirators.
For so long, Saul Alinsky said…the imbeciles who attacked the system from the outside with violence were making it harder to tear it down from the inside with its own rules, its own Constitution. You did not need to set bombs, you needed to set traps.
“YOU are not gonna like what we do and the polls are going to drop…but then you will “come around” to see that we are right”. (except for the 25 million who don’t perform in the reeducation camps, apparently, they will disappear under the boot of Ayers along with our flag)
“We need more government” “We need to redistribute YOUR wealth, in order to make things “fair”. And, if you protest…then we will impose a “fairness doctrine”…and our “civilian army” will enforce it.
We will have a new Presidential seal, you will hang portraits of our Dear Leader from your buildings, we will have forced conscription into working for US…you know…kind of like slavery…only better…since its for the “cause”.
Foreign money is now acceptable to assist in our elections. Voter registrations are ensured “fairness” by “impartial” overseers of the PARTY. The list of voters on OUR side has swelled beyond mathematical comprehension.
You will never, ever, ever win another election. The PARTY has decided to redraw all the districts. Your voice and your vote will be drowned in a sea of corruption. All for your own good.
Now, give me your wallet while I redistribute your wealth. Joe the Plumber, you ask? I don’t know…he seems to have disappeared. The state media has some nice music for you to listen to tonight. Please ignore those screams from the dungeon and enjoy your evening.
Oct 27, 2008 – 9:42 am
Oh how I love a good Buckaroo Banzai in-joke! But even more, I love what you have to say, and how you say it. Your words are a clarion call to all patriots that there is more yet to do, and we must do it if we are to save our beloved country.
I’m gearing up for a fight. So lay on, Macduff, And damn’d be him that first cries, ‘Hold, enough!’
I will exeunt, fighting.
Marxist and commies??? you guys are nut jobs. totally pawned and blinded by the actual people who are taking your liberties. stuck on irrelevant debates while being robbed blind, not by healthcare or abortion or gay rights, but by the military industrial complex. good for you, hope you get what you want. the destruction of all you know.
This is an example of reasonable civil discourse on a topic of interest to many persons who otherwise stick to the point and remain civil ?
And what am I thinking today?
I’m thinking that I didn’t go FAR ENOUGH in my worries and concerns. It’s worse than I could have ever imagined.
VDH says we have crossed the Rubicon.
I am afraid we have crossed the Styx.
On Sunday March 21, 2010 the House of Representatives declared unconditional war against the American people.
We accept the challenge and plan for nothing but triumph.
Our government has, for quite some time, become too large, too expensive, too intrusive. Americans, in their benevolence, have tolerated the expense and the intrusion.
No more. It is time to slay the dragon, one vote at a time, one Congressional district at a time, one state at a time, and one election at a time, from President all the way down to Dogcatcher. No office should be safe, no program inviolable, no agency invulnerable.
This is our country, not theirs. While we struggle to reclaim it do not forget that.
Good words here.
“From now on we must change our message from one of limiting government growth and spending and regulation to one of reducing it.”
I am confident that Obama, Pelosi, and Reid believe that the opposition’s fight was fully spent on contesting passage of this legislation, and that the battle will now be over for the American people. These “leaders” hope that we will roll over and simply accept what is coming – our hands out, and our minds washed.
Had the founders taken such an attitude, they would have cowered and capitulated when the British sailed into New York harbor in June of 1776. It would have been easy to give in at that point.
But they countered, even in the face of very direct opposition, and authored a document for the ages. They SIGNED it with pride, and ultimately prevailed over a crooked monarchy.
The question is whether the American people still have the stuff that the founders did. With the right leadership, a few reminders of historical revolutionary success, and some simple education on the constitutional process, I think we have a chance to make a difference.
Bill,
Just prior to reading your post I emailed the Republican National Committee stating that I would support Republicans financially if they would hire an honest-to-god advertising agency, rather than the usual media consultant hacks, to develop a creative, coherent campaign.
I’m gratified that someone I consider smarter than me is thinking along similar lines.
Excellent.
Bill, the first thing we need is a retaliatory salvo against the one stupid argument that’s been brought against us again and again (probably because it’s been so successful). You know the one. You can probably chant it in your sleep. “Republicans want to hurt/kill women/children/the elderly/minorities with this policy.”
It’s time we destroy that canard. Just crush it to the dust.
Because right now it’s obvious to me and a lot of other people that the opposition *wants to hurt everyone.* And we need to start saying so, regularly, vociferously, and backed with facts and statistics.
No, Daniel in Brookline, you are wrong. America has the military might to utterly crush its enemies abroad. What its government currently lacks (and even lacked under Bush) is the moral confidence to use this might with the ruthlessness required.
Great nations collapse due to decay from within, not due to external attacks. Our current Congress and President are emblematic of such decay. They are indeed our enemies — our ideological enemies — who pose a greater threat to freedom in America than the most devoted Islamic fanatics.
WE THE PEOPLE!
WE the people are the rightful inheritors of those brave men that stood fast with General Washington in the darkest times of our founding and BEAT the most feared world power and his hired guns at the time in the world to WIN OUR FREEDOMS with limited and MINIMAL intrusion by government.
WE the people are the bold progeny of those brave few individual Americans who faced the enemy down in the Hell of Gettysburg’s Little Round Top and final glory of Pickett’s charge AND DIDN’T FLINCH or FAIL despite a literal hail of lead and death, in their task to KEEP OUR FREEDOM and WIN it for those who couldn’t do for themselves. THIS FAR AND NO FURTHER we said.
WE the people are the same TEXANS and ALABAMANS who MADE THE CHARGE UP little roundtop to fight for what they believed in with that last full measure to face those brave men from MAINE who believed the same.
WE the people are all the one who MADE THE CHARGE into the center of an unmovable force on that last decisive day in July for all that mattered in the world, FREEDOM. We are also those who FORMED the center and held the angle at all costs.
WE the people are the inheritors of the bravery and stun stuff of those who stormed the beaches and FREED FESTUNG EUROPA from a mass murdering madman of the broken cross and and his legions in black uniforms at huge and painful cost so that OTHERS MIGHT BE FREE!
WE the people flew as INDIVIDUALS with our heroes in the mighty 8th during full daylight over Germany to subdue the same foe at the literal cost of thousands of our best because it had to be done and they did it knowing, KNOWING the enemy had prepared and was expecting them. We the people are the SAME now as we were then. We just have to be awakened..
WE the people are the same who fought and defeated a fanatical Asian enemy bent on the utter domination of ‘lesser’ humans who had attacked us unawares. Yet in our mercy let both formerly bitter enemies up easy to for as lasting and honest relationship with both. Not for long has hate or malice endured in our collective hearts.
WE the people are those same who RUN TO misery and heartache and human suffering to alleviate and comfort! WE the people do not FLINCH, we DO NOT FAIL, and WE DO NOT RUN!
While we may have had a large and dis-hearting temporary defeat for those who love LIBERTY,
WE THE PEOPLE have faced down much bigger men than the current occupant of the office of the President of the United States and his minions of minions. We shall send him and his like to the ash heap of history with all the others who dared test the will and effort of WE THE PEOPLE!
WE THE PEOPLE will NOT give up. We have PROVEN we are made of strong and sturn stuff when aroused and WE THE PEOPLE will fight as our forefathers did.
THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM WILL BE DEFEATED BY WE THE PEOPLE.
Buck up Americans, we have engaged the enemy and the battle is joined and while he may have temporary custody of the reigns of power we will take heart and have hope because:
NOT FLINCH
NOT FAIL
NOT GIVE UP our NATURAL RIGHTS as defined in the CONSTITUTION. EVER.
We WILL SECURE what freedoms we have still, and RE-SECURE that which is lost.
The sacrifices and brave defense of or forefathers DEMAND IT.
WE THE PEOPLE WILL STAND AND DELIVER!
Amnesty is their next great emergency… for it is with those added millions of of votes from those suddenly-legitimized and oh-so-grateful ignorant peasants that they intend to overwhelm the electoral will of the citizens who have been and will be paying for their ‘compassion.’
Mark my words, the full-on no-holds-barred press will be to convert a dozen million lawbreaking freeloaders into voters prior to the registration cutoff for November.
I go for the reduction in government, which will have the additional benefit of putting many statists out of a sinecure.
The abolition of the Departments of Education and Energy would be a start. Curriculum discipline at state and government levels would put many medicine shows back on the road.
The EPA was established by executive order. Can it be abolished thus?
We need a moderate environmental policy of reasonably clean air and water. I no more believe that academics can predict the future than I believe astrologers can.
Our economic problems can only be solved by the production of wealth. That requires re-industrialization. After all, the families of the people the governments must let go need to earn a living.
And those who provide jobs should by-pass the universities, and hire more high school graduates, training them on the job, or providing a part time education, subject to curriculum approval by the benefactor.
So much to do, and so apparently impossible to convince enough of the voters. How much longer can the left count on the decency of strangers?
Great article. I fully agree in principle.
In practice, with the exception of gestures like a donation to Scott Brown, I am staying on the sidelines. The GOP has played me for a sucker for years, and I suspect that they are trying to sucker me into backing a de facto Bush restoration.
I’m with the people who say that Obama is Bush on steroids. For example, see this, this, and this.
My vote for Scott Brown was a vote for divided government, not a vote for the Republican Party. I will no longer support the GOP or self-styled “conservatives” just because they’d wreck the country more slowly than Obama is doing.
Trust, but verify.
And you’ve got to defeat ALL Democrats, even your nice neighbor who sits on the school board. And the tea party movement has got to get the hair-brained notion out of their head that they need their own candidates (which will split the vote). If the Republican candidate is Scozzafofo, get in early! Listen, we managed to work with Russia to defeat Germany, we CAN do this.
Second, you’ve got to be able to see the SEIU plants in every meeting, in every protest and on every blog. They’re easy to spot. I found one at the rally on Saturday. They’re the ones who get involved in racism. They’re plants, pure and simple. I’m 98% sure the “incidents” with the black members of Congress (IF they happened) were plants. On comment boards? They’re the ones who leave the filthiest racial comments. Reply with: “Troll alert…it’s an Obamatron in sheep’s clothing”
You’re absolutely correct on the need to pivot to a positive agenda. But I think we could get very far *also* saying that whatever we thought was a good idea in governance a few days/months/years ago should be periodically reviewed and the worst of it should be repealed. It would be a repeat of BRAC which did that service for military bases. We keep evaluating and dropping the least worthy programs until our tax revenues match spending.
If we can make that sort of spending reduction the norm in boom times when we’re carrying deficits, the republic may yet endure.
We need speakers who will articulate the moral *imperative* of restraining the government from interfering with our freedoms.
We need to pound home the evils — the inevitable, baked-in evils — that result when government is permitted to control our lives.
Too much of the “muddle” has the impression that conservatism is about saving money and supporting the military. They really just don’t understand the axioms on which our country was founded. (I call them that because I don’t believe in God.)
They don’t really object all that strongly as their freedoms are stolen, because they don’t see trajectory and because they don’t see the evil of it.
And there is no doubt — this is evil. It is pure evil to enslave another human being, and yet again Democrats are at it, one little piece at a time.
I believe that it is not just the Democrats that seek to enslave us because I am convinced that the problem is not Democrat or Republican, Conservative or Liberal but all of the above. The entire system is broken…probably beyond repair as it has been going on since the 1860s. The Two Party System has been effective at dividing people of all these united States between Republican and Democrat..Conservative and Liberal for a very long time. It’s one of the oldest strategies…Divide and Conquer. So long as We the People cling to the old ways: the two party system, the federal reserve, the electoral collage and everything else that is part of the way we’ve been doing business siince the close of the Civil War then nothing will change. Voting all the incumbants out of political office won’t change anything..the new ones will just end up corrupted like the old ones. There are only two ways I can see to secure our future safety and happiness and they are: 1) a Constitutional Convention to start things anew or 2) State Secession from the union. The way I see it unless we use one of those two methods to right things..it will continue to be as it has for the last a hundred and fifty years..business as usual with We the People being the losers as one party or another expands the federal government to encompass every aspect of our lives and we’ll be enslaved by one master or another but the end will be the same: tyranny and the death of liberty.
My fearless prediction for Bart Stupak in November:
PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN.
I hear that Bart Stupak has already locked down a gig as the official spokesman for K-Y personal lubricant in case he’s not reelected. Heckfire, Stupak has lubed up and rolled over for Nancy Pelosi so much I can see why K-Y wanted him.
Given that the vote occured way after sunset, another apropos quote from the great Lord John Whorfin:
“History is-a made at night. Character is what you are in the dark”
Just to warn you…
I’ll be in the air for the next four hours and will be unable to moderate comments. There may be long waits if the moderation genii decides to hold your comment.
Just sayin’ is all…
BW
God’s speed Bill…
I’m right with you, Bill. These filthy statists are destined for a world of hurt. I’m happy to do my part tightening the screws, day in, day out – increasing in intensity towards the next two elections.
ObamaCare is tyranny. Let’s all do our part to destroy it,
We are partially to blame! Congress outlasted us as they thought they would; they moved to use political trickery to achieve their goals as we maintained our same efforts; laud rallies, writing and Emailing. We were late to even demonstrate at congressional offices and who picketed their Rep`s and Senator`s offices as I did and where was my support for continuous picketing or my standing at street corners for 30 weeks with messages to alert my fellow Americans. We never ramped up our activities to peaceful sit-ins and disruption of government and congressional offices.
Had MLK used our limited methods, chances are we would still have some form of segregation. The sucessful 1999 TN Tax Revolt was instigated by talk radio and Emails, so it can work if the people will get up off their couches to protect their freedom. So who in the media or even congress called for the same proactive peaceful efforts that achieved MKLs victory. People were not so bashful in the early 1960s. Heck, on Saturday when constituents were locked out of their Representative`s office and the staff threatened to call the police, the people left the public area complaining instead of calling for support and doing a legal silent standing protest in the hallways. I know for a fact that they could have done that legally until the building closed and even followed their Rep throughout the public areas of the Capitol complex. Our supposed betters hate having their freedom impinged and we could video their arrogance.
I am disappointed that our citizens do not even have the respect of our military and civilian dead and life long disabled who have sacrificed for our liberties to sacrifice even a little to protect that hard earned gift. Shame on us.
We have a generation of wimps trumping America. That’s our problem. Until we change minds, we can’t change politics.
Whip them out of their boots!
Bill: Thanks for publishing this. I’m glad to see this positive, can-do spirit, on a day when many conservatives are down in the dumps. We CAN beat this thing. As Bill Kristol writes in today’s Weekly Standard, if this wasn’t Obama’s Waterloo, we can make it his Borodino.
I have to rap you on the knuckles for one pet peeve; please check your use of “its” vs. “it’s”.
Thank you, Bill Whittle!
RebeccaH, agreed.
Hindmost, those were my thoughts, too, last night: A Civil Cold War. I’ve heard of leftists infiltrating the Tea Party demonstrations as agent provocateurs to get bad press and I’ve seen vicious troll impersonators at conservative websites try to disrupt conversation by posting racist and pessimistic items under the names of regular commenters.
“These Marxist bastards have no idea what is coming for them. No idea.”
And we will win, because we are saner, more powerful and naturally do the right thing.
I know a good conspiracy site I could point you to Sam Iam.
I make HUNDREDS of phone calls over the past few months. For what? F**k that. Let ‘em do whatever they want…until Jan. 20, 2011. From now on I’m only voting with my checkbook and at the polling place. They only understand one thing. Unless somebody goes (literally) ballistic on some politician, only firing them will make any difference.
Hear, hear Mr. Whittle – I’m with you. In the meantime we have to get folks like “gs” to hold their nose and realize that Jefferson and Madison are not on the ballot and that the Ron Paul faction that seeks only “pure” libertarians will not win a majority in my lifetime (I’m mid 50′s) and that their common cause is, for now, the Republican Party.
I would point “gs” to the John Birch Society as an object lesson in electoral effectiveness – they have been bashing Republicans from the libertarian constitutional right for 50 years… to what effect? This is still a two party country and while I appreciate the argument from principle the group that decides elections (the middle of the roaders) are not prepared to vote right of republicans.
Please, please work your rear off to persuade the R’s to return to constitutional / limited gov’t, but from the inside and for now, vote republican, anything else is a vote for D’s…
The health care reform act, like the voting rights act and the social security act is filled with deep emotions from both sides of the arguement. My lawyer once told me that, in many cases…when each side feels like they are cheated in court, justice has prevailed. Both sides felt cheated on this one…so you and I know what that means.
So what..you pay ten bucks more a month in tax, but 32 million more have access to health care if they are hit by any number of horrible illnesses. Things could be worse as far as taxes go, trust me, I live in Europe most of the time. This bill will not be repealed, ever, so…like voting rights and social security, both sides of the aisle will make it their own over the years to come. And yes, Republicans will bend over backwards to get some credit for “fixing it” once they decide to lead and get some ideas in the future. Good Luck to them !
We need a website that lists all the RINOS’, dems that voted for this, dems who also voted for this, and a list of their opponents. ONE source not several, one source that all the conservatives, independents and libertarian talkers can send everyone too.
Plus a list of all the GOP primaries, this is where the true battle will be. No more waffling GOPers.
One poster above said its over and we cant repeal this….well we need to TRY with everything we have and if that dosnt work….heh….then time to split the country.
AND we need Beck, Hannity, Rush, ect to band together and hammer this home we NEED FISCAL RESPONSIBLE/SMALLER GOV GOPers!!
Mr. Whittle,
Hate to quibble with you over seemingly insignificant stuff, but to beat Barack we need 20/20 thinking. Your McDonald’s stuff is muddled.
To begin with, the McDonald’s word splash you refer to wasn’t a slogan. They were words written by a creative supervisor in the Nichol’s group at NHS (before they even moved to Wacker). Charlie picked out some of the ingredients of the Delligatti-invented Big Mac and, as they say, the rest is history. It simply was never a slogan (which in itself is a word that hasn’t been used in agency halls for forty years). It was a song for the commercials.
Then you talked about message discipline. Too often, it binds like tight underwear. Drop one nuclear bomb (like the Lemmings spot) and it doesn’t matter if you’re off message or not. You’ll obliterate all your target markets. And have them all eating your words. As you know, Bud did it in the clapping spot for the Olympics years ago.
Respectfully, I believe that you’re giving yourself much too much credit to think you qualify to be one of the main voices to lead us out of this abyss and into the promised land. Before you tell me to fix bayonets, son, I’m afraid you need a bit more seasoning.
I can’t wait till Bill answers this one
Ahh…now we know why non-American-living “poor citizen” is so poor…and his comments so full of sloth and hypocricy: enjoy Europe, you “useful idiot.”
We Americans in America still value the freedom, which Europeans fully hold in contempt; see Verarschung and Rechthaberei.
Pathetically poor citizen:
You are so clueless you make Inspector Clouseau look like a genius.
cfbleachers,
Please contact me. I’d like you to write an article.
I don’t think the author gets it – I mean it’s uplifting what he wrote but we are dealing with revolutionaries here who have just taken over the government via the Democratic Party. They have the power. If the CEO of the corporation I work for wants me gone, I’m gone. I can appeal to some human resources department or to a government agency but it will be nearly impossible to go up against the CEO. So I don’t see any thing legal happening to repeal this bill right now. Once a nihilistic Marxist group gets one foot in the door they will stop at nothing – no law, no legal recourse, no freedom of the press no nothing will stop them. In fact, with every victory like the one they just pounded heads to get their use of force escalates. My father and grandparents came from Ukraine in the late 1920′s. Their brothers, sister, my great aunts and uncles stayed behind and their land was confiscated by government workers that were dispatched to every corner of the country – some made it, siome starved and some committed suicide. I say it is up to the people, and this will be a second American Revolution to free us from this tyranny. Don’t be fooled, just because they went through the Democratic Party to get there doesn’t mean that this is not a total regime change in the U.S.A.
38. No, the right feels we have been cheated because we are being plundered. The left feels cheated because they are the enemy and they didn’t get everything they wanted.
I understood it all this morning at a local drugstore. A man in a jacket which was emblazoned with the words “Office of Homeland Security” was discussing the health bill with some of the employees. I joined in, expressing doubts about the procedural movement in the Congress. This fellow with his perfectly done hair laughed and stated something to the effect of “this is America today, the old ways you learned in Civics are the past.” I said nothing more because what can you say of value to someone who likes tyranny?
39. steve4libertyinsc:I hate to say this but we also need to know–for our our political safety, who the corrupt republicans are! you’ve gotta think about it–I will bet you anything the dems and the MSM roll out nothing but republican scandal after scandal all summer long. Sex scandal. bribery, whatever. We need to find out who these people are BEFORE they get thrown in our faces. Right now, if an election was held today, we’d do pretty well, maybe really well, maybe even a landslide–but this summer is going to be UGLY for us. If you hated the idea of being called a racist simply caring about your country, just wait until they try to ram down AMNESTY on us.
All the stewarts, mahers, colberts, etc need is some good comedic material…like a nice juicy gay republican sex scandal–and we’re screwed…by the republicans.
Remember this conservatives, libertarians, and patriots:the republican party is a diseased whore, full of corrupt scum. The reason we have been stuck with the First Socialist President is because of this. We need to clean house.
I say, “Impeach them all!
Let God sort them out”!
54. pelicans,
That’s chilling. Simply chilling. This is what I mean about changing minds before we can change our politics.
Sickening.
You are d— right that we are determined! Unfortunately, this health care debacle is not the real problem, but only the largest and most glaring symptom of it. The real problem is our permanent professional “ruling class” and the idiotic belief by many that we need such people to “take care” of us.
Come November, we’re going to take care of the current bunch, but need to create an environment where this cannot ever happen again. Yes, we can repeal this law, but there will be more, many more, just like it, but even worse, unless we devolve power from Washington once and for all. Getting the power back to the states will be a good start, but what we really need is to give personal responsibility back to all Americans, even those that don’t want it.
17. Sam Iam:
Marxist and commies??? you guys are nut jobs. totally pawned and blinded by the actual people who are taking your liberties. stuck on irrelevant debates while being robbed blind, not by healthcare or abortion or gay rights, but by the military industrial complex. good for you, hope you get what you want. the destruction of all you know.
Wow! Sean Penn! Welcome to the discussion, Spicoli!
Hey everybody, say hi to Hugo Chasvez’s butt buddy, the Ridgemont High grad himself.
You know what, Mt Moderator, you guys regularly troll out this kind of shit:
32. MarkJ:
“I hear that Bart Stupak has already locked down a gig as the official spokesman for K-Y personal lubricant in case he’s not reelected. Heckfire, Stupak has lubed up and rolled over for Nancy Pelosi so much I can see why K-Y wanted him.”
And yet your are so offended by my relatively tame opposition that you blacklist me. That’s what I expect from you chicken shit half-a-man motherfuckers. No fucking principles whatsoever. Now you know why your side is losing everything in sight – no guts and no values.
Fucking candyass.
You can always tell a troll by their spelling, language and smell…
If the GOP was so concerned about health care, why didn’t they pass it under Bush? If they had pushed through Two tax incentives, health accounts, crossing state lines, tort reform, competition on an auto insurance bun between 2000-2008, there would be no debate now. You can’t blame Democrats on stopping the Republican health reform plans from passing, because the Democrats certainly didn’t get any help from the Republicans when it was their turn.
The GOP does not care about health reform, they just want Democrats out of power so they can go back to running their agenda, and health care reform is not on it. If you think this bill is a travesty, then the Republicans should share part of the blame, for running the country so pissed poor that they allow the Democrats to win back the Presidency, and both House majorities. Maybe the next time the GOP get back into power, they’ll think more about working for the American people.
56. skeeziks,
Uh. You blew your load a bit prematurely.
Nice Language!
56. skeeziks.
“You know what, Mt Moderator, you guys regularly troll out this kind of shit:”
Shouldn’t that be *you people”, not “you guys”?
Sexist?
“And yet your are so offended by my relatively tame opposition that you blacklist…”
Bad dog Kyber. Go get your bone and chew on it. Sit. Speak. Dig. It.
Van Jones still loves you anyway.
Whatever.
Tried to look you up, RP…but it did not give me the address.
@56. skeeziks: – … troll out this kind of shit: … you blacklist me. … chicken shit half-a-man motherfuckers. … No fucking principles whatsoever. … Fucking candyass.
LOL!!! The fake vet is hoist – once again – by his own petard.
Oh, the humanity!!
The Democrats are the party of slavery. The Washington Elite Democrats used a popular “boy” to put the shackles on us all. They’ve just begun and it’s going to get worse. They are our masters and we are their slaves. We work in the fields all day and they keep the fruits of our labor; they provide our shelter, clothing, food, and healthcare. If you aren’t productive then you aren’t worth their time.
They will use the popular “boy” to eventually get rid of the nonproductive parts of our society. Natural selection on steroids. It’s ironic that they are the ones that voted for him, wear his picture on their shirts, buy his collector’s coins and speak of him as if he were a god.
59. goy,
Leave poo-for-brains alooooooooooone! He’s a humannnnnn beinggggggggggg!
Da village idiot is in da houseeeee and all of his monikers toooooooooooooo.
lmfao
You are absolutely right that this can be reversed in spite of an entitlement history. I believe it is called WE the PEOPLE! Let the battle begin to knock those commie boots off the feet of those who attack liberty and send them home barefoot.
Skeezix, here’s a little hint: If Bill says “he’s on the air and isn’t going to be moderating for several hours”, and you post a comment that doesn’t get up for a while, it doesn’t necessarily follow that you’ve been banned.
On the other hand, if you post a comment that abuses Bill for banning you, and it shows up, it does follow that you’ve made yourself look like an ass and should properly apologize.
I am with all of you,but I don’t think it’s possible to put the “Genie”back in the bottle-Just think of all the new Fed jobs.I will work hard though!!!!
GoyDelia:
Think about this. You don’t know what’s been spiked. I do. And here’s my dazzling rebuke for all to see. A thing of beauty.
I am with all of you,but I don’t think it’s possible to put the “Genie”back in the bottle-Just think of all the new Fed jobs.I will work hard though!!!!
Mike in ohio
Awesome idea posted by “Mark L” over at Ace of Spades:
“Attach a one-line rider to every piece of legislation next year that states that the bill is hereby repealed in its entirety. Force the Democrats to vote on that rider. Every Time. Then hold a press conference to announce that yet again the Democrats have blocked the will of the American people by upholding this corrupt piece of legislation, despite being given one more opportunity to fix the mess they created.
Let normal business continue, but keep introducing the rider. Thus, every week they will be given an opportunity to “right the wrong” they inflicted. The issue would not go away. Every week the Democrats would get a fresh chance to anger the American people.
How long do you think it would take — especially if Democrats’ poll numbers keep dropping — before they would repeal the damn bill (and override a Presidential veto) just to stop the political bleeding?
I’d say it would be gone by August 2011.”
OBAMACARE:The wedge(we have been waiting for)that we will use to hold open the door of politics…TO KICK THESE IDIOTS OUT ON THEIR ASSES IN 2010/2012…IMSTBAL
63. qrstuv:
A stunning intellectual exercise. Here’s one. Democrats attach a one-line rider to every piece of legislation states, “I believe Sarah Palin is qualified to be president.” It’s a lose-lose vote for them. Brilliant!
@62. skeeziks: And here’s my dazzling rebuke for all to see.
Heh. Look up the definition of rebuke, fake vet.
What you posted was not a rebuke, it was an unhinged, profanity-laced, morally adolescent temper tantrum. It’s indeed a thing of beauty, but obviously not in the way you think it is. It demonstrates to everyone that all your cleverer-than-thou, smart-ass, sycophantic adulation and HopeAndChangely Obamaphoria® is just a thin, cracking veneer covering the very worst of vitriolic resentment, apoplectic hatred and raw, impotent rage.
Thanks for sharing.
So much for the value of PJ registration.
In December 1944, an urgent message was relayed to General Eisenhower at SHAEF HQ. German panzer units had overrun American units in the Ardennes sector and were driving west and north. Ike quickly gathered his staff and consulted the maps. “Gentlemen,” he announced, “we have an opportunity.” So began the so-called Battle of the Bulge. The German plan was certainly bold, but it suffered from too much complexity and a vast overreach given the available resources. Sound familiar?
Our republic today stands on a similar fulcrum of history. A republic rarely moves with alacrity until it’s faced by direct threat or assault. We as a people are normally too busy inventing, innovating, making money, building communities, and generally running our lives to notice the danger. Not this time. No, indeed, not this time. The citizenry is on the move. Woe be you who stand in the way.
This health care bill is not a defeat. I can take one slap in the face, but I won’t suffer a second one from the same source. And neither will the majority of Americans. We don’t pick fights, but we sure know how to end them. Be of good cheer my conservative friends. The sleeping giant is fully awake now. And he’s filled with a terrible resolve.
Money makes the world go around;
Those who have it now have a choice:
Spend it opposing the State, or wait
for the State to take it away.
This is no longer a political contest;
This is a war for control of the economy,
and can be won by reinforcing success,
investing in business in districts whose
politicians favor business, and in new
business which can produce the new wealth
the US needs to pay its bills and its debts.
Skeezitz, and how would that help anyone?
65. goy, goy, goy
Rebuke it is, numb nuts. Excuse me, MISTER numb nuts.
“. . . sycophantic adulation” doesn’t apply. I’m not here to prop up the left but to tear down the self righteous moralizing of the right, which you so generously illustrate – and with such vigor!
But why exhibit such avoidance behavior? Why not address the issue that drew you into my lair? Specifically, Mark J’s, “I hear that Bart Stupak has already locked down a gig as the official spokesman for K-Y personal lubricant in case he’s not reelected. Heckfire, Stupak has lubed up and rolled over for Nancy Pelosi so much I can see why K-Y wanted him.”
Don’t bother. I know. It’s OK as long as he’s a Tea Bagger.
Arbitrariness, thy name is goy.
63.qrstuv-This may some merit…on principal.
In addition I think we should come up with something for (true)conservatives to use to separate them from the (traditional)conservatives(the ones that are also part of the problem-and there’s quite a few…), as a 3rd party is NOT feasible. Maybe we could call them NEW CONSERVATIVES and come up with some kind of a contract that is binding(not that we don’t trust them…) that they will required to honor(for our support)-if they don’t we can boot them, anytime,if this could be made legally possible(in our local districts). It seems like this could be done with existing rules, regulations, and contracts-you could never get any kind of new legislation passed for this purpose. The tea-party movement has gained some pretty serious followers, but needs leverage, for their common-sense ideas and principles, plus the (traditional)conseratives need them-they realize this movement could split our (once-great)party, giving carte-blanche to the dem-no-nuts. I think the SLEEPING GIANT(us) is bigger than either party realizes, and are willing to acknowledge. Just an idea…IMSTBAL
Please, our founging fathers suffered in the snows of valley forge, our people ended slavery with rifles and bayonets, our people stormed Europe and the Pacific theatres of world war 2. Can we do no less than defeat these statist thugs. All we have to do is vote for god’s sake. Lets go out and get these people. Drive them out of office, put in place 2/3 majorities in both houses in November and overide Darth Obamas takeover of healthcare. They think they are untouchable. They cast their vote and even if they lose their seat they get free healthcare for life and a cushy six figure job. Lets find out where they have been hired and protest outside their job sites. Lets make these statist thugs radioactive to future employers and clients. I am not, not, advocating any harm or violence. We just need to protest and make noise. They are trying to destroy the country. Lets let them realize they can’t get away with it.
Skeeziks, are you Bart Stupak? You sure won’t let that one comment go, will ya?
You must be one of the Democrat Elite’s house boy…one day you will see that they really don’t care about you…but you’ll be like a lost little dog wondering what you did wrong for them to turn on you. Wow!
@69. skeeziks: – Rebuke it is…
Heh. Only in that black-and-white fantasy you see projected on the inside of your forehead… the one where you’re spitting on a black congressman, and running from The Dick Arm(e)y.
- Why not address the issue…
Last I checked, it was only an issue for you, fake vet. Looks like you “snared” yourself in your own “lair”. Again. In case you’re wondering – yes, that is tangentially related to you being hoist by your own petard. I know… lately they both happen to you so much that it’s tough to tell them apart.
Anyway, MarkJ’s wrong, IMHO. Stupak never had any intention of holding up the Democrats’ socialized medicine legislation. He made that clear some time ago. If anything, Pelosi was the one doing Stupak… uhm… favors – by running a week-long puppet theater intended solely to give him and his fake “pro-lifers” political cover. Based on the rate at which Dan Benishek’s support has grown in only 24 hours, I’m guessing that whole sad charade is going to make for some luscious campaign ads in MI.
May we never be so fattened by the government trough, that we find ourselves content with the slop that we are fed. Stand up, overturn the trough and fight for what is right.
This just sorta says it all for me…
I am glad I am American,
I am glad that I am free.
But I wish I was a dog …..
And Obama was a tree.
72. GRACIE,
Careful there, Gracie. You mentioned ‘dogs’ and ‘trees’. The ‘raaaaaaaaacist!’ libel will come soon if you don’t learn a new language. Oh, and never say ‘boy’ just to be safe. Say, ‘young man’ and don’t say ‘bananas’ or ‘watermelon’ or ‘fried chicken’ or ‘purple’ or ‘sky’ or ‘sea’ or ‘love’ or ‘life’ or ‘child’ or ‘think’…et al ad infinitum.
Watch yo back, gurlllllll.
Sincerely,
Delia
@60 skeeziks: Whoa! Chill dude! You’ve got this blog confused with Rosenbaum’s. I tried to post a comment there suggesting he was PJM’s Thomas Franks and that got me iced. Oh well . . . now _there’s_ a first class candy-ass.
82. skeeziks:
Wait. Hold on. I was under the impression that you were a 400 lb female shut in that worked for moveon.org to supplement your foodstamps because you couldnt get all of the fried lard that you needed to keep up that hot physique….
And to find out that I was wrong. Pity. I misjudged ye. You’re really a brilliant, good looking, successful person making millions. You have a black belt. And a PhD.
Really, people…it’s all true.
….90
pooh……you and Pinocchio…
obviously baal and skeeziks are one in the same…Really, people…it’s all true.
I like you, Bill Whittle. You say things I wish that I could say with half as much humor and eloquence. I’m on your side, buddy.
I may not be on the winning side, but sure as sunrise in the east, I know for a FACT that Barack Obama and The Nancy Youth are on the losing side. Obamacare WILL fail. It can fail the hard way, or the harder way. And I DAMN all those bastards in Congress who condemned us to making that choice between hard and harder. There are no other choices. The hard way is Repeal. I vote for that. The harder way is economic collapse, which will happen if Repeal does not. No other ways. Eventually the Socialists will run out of Other Peoples’ Money, and they are a lot nearer to that today than they were just yesterday. This country is run by fools. Fools! Idiots! Monkey boys! Just think how much Social Justice you can get if you have no money, boys. That’s right, none at all.
I’m behind Repeal. And not only for Obamacare, but for Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, SCHIP, food stamps, unemployment benefits, Aid for Families with Dependent Children, No Child Left Behind, or whatever. I don’t care anymore. Cut ‘em all loose. No more losers, no more slackers. I will gladly surrender my own 30 years’ contributions to Social Security and Medicare for no return at all; I won’t ever collect on them anyway, and if everyone goes down in flames with me, then huzzah, we all deserve it, and we’ll be better off for it in the end. (I have a spreadsheet that I keep at home, in which I compare my Social Security contributions to what I could get if I had invested the same amount of money, with or without my employers’ contribution, at the same rate of return I get on my own investments. As of 1/1/2008, that number was $906K, counting my employers’ contribution. As of 1/1/2009, it was $655K. By contrast, my latest SSA statement says that I can earn a whopping $2492 per month, starting at 66 years and 10 months of age, for the REST of MY LIFE!! WOO HOO!! Such a deal!!! I haven’t had the heart to figure my new fictional nest egg number for 2010, though, superficially, it would be substantially higher than the $655K a year ago. But it’s all an illusion. Obama has destroyed the entire concept of savings within the space of just a year; it’s clear now that savings are for suckers.) Unfortunately, the demographics are against me. I count about 40% of the population as Bill’s steely-eyed missile men. About 20% are hardcore Socialists, who will support fiscal stupidity with an enthusiasm in inverse proportion to any policy’s fiscal IQ. And the remaining 40% are professional slackers, sucking off the public teat. Anybody with any honor or ambition left has his/her work cut out.
So much accumulated stupidity. So, so much! But I’m not going out without a fight. Hell, I may be a Kulak destined for Stalin’s grave-heap – and the ONLY difference between Salin and Obama is revealed ruthlessness – but hell, even Stalin eventually died. Even evil isn’t immortal. The bastards WILL lose. One way or the other.
A permanent remedy requires a thorough understanding of inalienable rights. Rand did it. I think I have. I’m trying to share it.
85. Ms. Attitude:
I think he’s looking for his massa…IMSTBAL
Electing Republicans isn’t your answer.
How many times can you people be fooled?
One economist I listened to stated there are well over 1,100 separate insurance mandates nationwide. Each of these raise premiums and force people to purchase insurance for a risk they may not be facing. Some of them are downright humorous (and thus wasteful). In one state, for example, health insurance must pay for pastoral counseling.
If the federal government has any Commerce Clause role in regulating health insurance, it should be limited to defining a standard, bare bones, high deductible catastrophic insurance policy. Such a policy might be a way for a lot of the uninsured to have last-ditch protection. It certainly would be a way to cut costs for those of us who want to self-insure against the routine risks of normal life.
This did not happen overnight. When there’s only one snake in the basement, we might casually look for it. When the snake has babies, we use ‘radio talk’…but now there’s a whole nest of snakes; the basement is infested with thousands of snakes…What we need is more than political will; we need a whole network of conservative positions filled–lawyer offices,university philosophy teaching slots, community positions, EVERYTHING and all at once…a TEAM of educators commited to teach conservativism to the next generation. We might even need hospitals and doctors who refuse to kill the aged and the unborn…Sound impossible? That’s the idea! It is possible, but it will take more than four years in a political office; it will take a generation, because that’s how long it took to where we got to today.
86. goy:
As usual, you are completely full of crap. Why not address the issue? (Geez, the conservative cowardice around truth is relentless.)
Here, I’ll put it in first gear so you can see how this works. “The issue” that I first referred to was this: Mark J’s suggestion that Stupak was signed as a KY lubricant spokesperson who was poised to roll over and get ass fucked by Nancy Pelosi. (Whether with fist or dildo Mark J didn’t specify. Perhaps you have a preference.) That’s the issue you’re avoiding – the arbitrary presentation and condemnation of “offensive” material.
Want to try again? (One suggestion: stay away from the dictionary. Clearly it confuses you.) As for campaign ads, how about one that shows Tea Party patriots yelling “Nigger” and “Faggot” and “Wetback” and spitting on black representatives. Ooooh, luscious.
You’re losing ground. You people should consider a “winning” strategy. (Winning – look it up.)
You just don’t get it do you troll???
We’re on to you and your “Ilk”, you can throw
out all the lies and deceptions you want but…
“WE THE PEOPLE”, know the truth,,,
and we are FREE…
Well, this evolved from a comment passed on by Scott Ott, but hey! I just realized! This Healthcare plan is SO LIBERATING! I mean, now I can scarf down all the fat, greasy meat I want, drink all I want, go to cheap, skanky prostitutes if I want (*shudders violently*, but I’m making a point here), and all those Birkenstock-wearing, Vegan, nose-in-the-air types will have to help pay for all my antibiotics, my LAP Band surgery, my cholesterol medication, and everything else that goes with a crappy lifestyle! W00T!
REPEAL IT! REFORM IT!
@92. skeeziks: – Why not address the issue?
Poor, willfully blind Now-And-Then – like most desperate leftists, you fail to recognize that your Loaded Question fallacy is not “truth”; your profanity-laced, adolescent temper tantrum is not a “rebuke”; the economy is not “coming around“; and marveling at your pathetic inability to grow out of collectivist brain-freeze and mature beyond Erikson’s 4th stage of human development is not “cowardice”.
Your “issue” is only an “issue” in the context of your conflicted homophobic/homoerotic, racist fantasies, fake vet. And anyone reading your unsubstantiated, sophomoric, cleverer-than-thou ravings can easily verify this for themselves. In case you were wondering, that’s why your profanity and blatant (likely actionable) hate speech is all sailing past the mods here – so that any serious person can recognize you (and your ilk) as the adolescent troll you are. So keep it coming. It’ll make for (more) great links in the future.
As an American whose family immigrated to Virginia in the very early 1600s, and who was raised on oral family histories of my ancestors who fought in the NC militia against the British in the Revolution, who blazed the trail west to the Mississippi Territory in 1800, fought the Creek Wars alongside Andrew Jackson, responded to Alabama’s call to arms in 1860, & went both to sea in 1917 & to the Japanese in the 1940s, I remember at these things and am reminded that time & again liberty-loving Americans will rise up & say, “Hell no.”
As a Southerner, I am descended from the only Americans who’ve ever lost a war. But as a descendant of veterans of the Revolution, the Indian Wars, WWI, & WWII, I also know that the American spirit will ultimately prevail. As I write this, I’m looking at my great-great grandaddy’s Confederate States’ Army-issue musket. It’s battered & unusable now, but in it’s time it was used to fight for freedom from a Federal government overreaching into the rights of the people & the States without due process of law. It wasn;t used to defend slavery– my great-great grandaddy was a poor farmer, raising 10 kids on 100 acres of bottom-land. that musket was used to defend Alabama, her people, and her rights as enshrined in the Constitution of the United States.
And that musket is to me an eternal reminder that Jefferson was right. When the government becomes inimical to the rights of the people, the people have a right & a duty to alter or abolish that government. Let’s do it at the ballot-box this November, and again in 2012. And if we can’t, let the People of the Several States call a Constitutional Convention to clarify the 10th Amendment, repeal the 16th & 17th, & restore Liberty to the Republic.
Sic Semper Tyrannis! Deo Vindice!
Bill, the perfect rallying slogan has already been coined for us: “My body, my choice!”
If ever there was a time to pull the Eject handle, this is surely it… Thank you for the much-needed pep talk!
Bill-
I think your attitude is exactly what we need.
God forbid we listen to people like Sk (comment #7.)
We need to fight, and fight with hope (I mean real hope. Not hopey changey nonsense.) We can surely do more than we think. But we will certainly do less if we lie down in despondency and just die here.
If indeed they do win, it must not be because we LET them!
92. skeeziks avoidswork moho –
Just a few of the lonely souls trapped in the Modern Liberal Cesspool, created by and funded by you people’s tax dollars. When lying about one’s identity, is not just a self created moral crusade, but a way of life so important to Kyber the Coprophagic, that the sleazits funhouse mirror will attempt repeatedly to explain in one sentence, a way of life which only exists in the soft clay head of the Van Jones idol sitting on the glorious alter of Modern Liberalism.
Pray tell, Modern Liberal Slave sleazits, to whom are we really speaking? Sleazits Black, sleazits White, or Jane Kyber?
The lameness continues.
Begging for attention at 60. Skeeziks.
“And yet your are so offended by my relatively tame opposition that you blacklist me. That’s what I expect from you chicken shit half-a-man motherfuckers. No fucking principles whatsoever. Now you know why your side is losing everything in sight – no guts and no values.”
“Chicken shit” “half-a-man”. Stale. And you’re a… genius? Are you eating your recycled corn too? Or is it that nasty loop playing you again.
“I am so sick of weak-kneed conservative half-men…”
Jan 29, 2010 – 9:05 am
Of course when it’s that paragon of lucid fair play being begged to, things are a bit different.
RonRosenbaum.com
January 28th, 2010 3:17 pm
Is This the True Spirit of the Republican Party?
107. skeeziks:
To Ron Radosh,
Come on, man, that dictator rant to goy was absolute gold. Nothing in there that was objectionable. Why’d you block it?
Jan 29, 2010 – 11:10 am
Got the name wrong, but hey at least it portrays the real “guts” and “values” of a begging funhouse mirror world. You can almost smell the teen spirit.
Alert – “You People”.
92. skeeziks
“You people should consider a “winning” strategy. (Winning – look it up.)”
Mar 22, 2010 – 3:20 pm
You mean the “winning” “strategy” of being a liar? What not look up liar, moho?
108. avoidswork.
“You people realize that ACORN…”
Jan 27, 2010 – 1:19 pm
35. skeeziks
“You people are such chickenshits.No wonder nobody respects you.”
Jan 30, 2010 – 12:55 pm
38. moho
“…you people… “.
Jan 8, 2010 – 5:38 pm
69. skeeziks:
“You people are children. You remind me of my granddaughter who yesterday got caught feeding chocolate to Kyber our dog. She knows she’s not supposed to do that. She said, “You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.”
Jan 29, 2010 – 9:05 am
Chocolate? Mmm, mmm, mmm,
“You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.”
moho gotta be moho. It knows nothing else.
“Fucking candyass.” Do you eat candy too, moho?
Van Jones got a new gig. Kiss, kiss!
Whatever.
Bill,
As always, you are inspiring. Keep doing it, because there are few who do it so well.
I have a question for anyone out there who may have information. Is there a march on Washington planned for tax day this year?
As state attorney generals, governors and legislatures move to challenge this legislation in the courts, as Senate Republicans fight their rear-guard action in the upper chamber, it would seem to me to be the next logical move for ordinary citizens to make. I’m talking about marshalling numbers in D.C. that no one can ignore. I’m talking about shock and awe. We have the numbers. We have the impetus. We need to see several million in front of the capitol building. Someone just needs to make the call.
We need your support and help to bring the “Progressive Movement” to a complete halt in America. We are now a socialist country and we need to bring it back to a capitalist society of Free Markets system.
http://www.teapartyexpress.tv/
As long as you continue to live in hyperbole (Marxists? Really?) and hatred, mixed with a threat of violence (your comment about people having guns), then you will continue to be marginalized in the debate. Be reasonable. People who support this bill are not evil, they are your neighbors, the people who tell you that you dropped a dollar on the ground and hand it back to you, the people who teach your children and grow your food, the people who will one day change your diapers when you’re old. And they are people who are willing to sit and talk, to listen and reason, as long as their partner in discussion treats them with a modicum of respect. As long as you guys call people nasty names and throw around insults, we can continue to ignore you.
Well, my vote is for Politics by Principle, Not Interest. They had a dream; we have a dream. Focus.
92. Anne: Que?
Obama doesn’t do anything without talking to bill ayers first.
Make no mistake about it. Bill Ayers is the enemy number one.
I’ve heard and read today about how angry the American people are. Speaking only for myself I’m waaaayyyyy beyond angry. Furious would be closer. We’ve been betrayed by the elitists in Congress who couldn’t wait to fall all over themselves voting this tyranny into law. Well they are going to find out that we the people did not and do not want this bill and we will fight it every way, every day. And in November we’re going to vote these traitors out of office. You bet’cha.
I wonder how many of you have government jobs, and contribute to the looting.
Increasingly, elections are contested between the people, and the sheeple. I’m hopeful, but not too optimistic about results going forward…
Nice try Dave, but the people who put this bill through have no intention of actually listening to anyone. They were the ones who answered grandmothers talking in town meetings with union members who beat up people trying to sell flags. The people you are talking about are not the people Bill was talking about.
Bill was talking about the people who pushed this thing through because it fed into their bigger vision (one they are on record as having) of what this country should be, a “progressive” nation controlled by really smart people calling themselves elites. The same people who deliberately lied about the real cost of the thing, and its likely outcome. People who ignored the will of the people as demonstrated by the elections in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts. Those are the people we are concerned with here, not average citizens who believe (rightly or wrongly) that this bill might be helpful.
P.S. Bill, I am holding you personally responsible for the destruction of western civilization by reigniting the career of Eduard Khil.
Thanks. I’m feeling a little better now.
Shouldn’t the insurance companies be denied to right to unilateral recision after, say, six months? That should be long enough for them to discover that infected hangnail from 12 years ago. Whaddya think?
And Dave, they are Marxists. They say so. And I’ve been called names by the Speaker of the House and I’ve been told to shut up and get out of the way by the President of the United States. Ignore us at your peril.
I agree with this:
So here’s a prediction for you: Obamacare is not going to happen, regardless of the fact that the president is going to sign it into law today, regardless of what happens in the 2010 and 2012 elections, and regardless of any speech given anywhere in Washington. The government’s ability to simply say “Make it so!” and ignore economic reality is coming up against its limit. If Nancy Pelosi thinks the Republicans are obstructionists, wait until she wants to borrow money from people who don’t want to lend it to her and don’t have to run for reelection.
The bottom line is we can’t afford this. The US is about to lose its AAA bond rating. Social Security, Medicaid, the US Postal Service – they’re all going broke.
Those who say entitlements once enacted, are never repealed, are forgetting that SS and the Great Society programs came about in much different eras and during different political realities. FDR ushered in the era of the social welfare state and LBJ expanded it at time when American wealth and power seemed limitless. No, Reagan and Gingrich couldn’t end it – for all of our fears about the Japanese in the ’80′s, the US economy was still going gangbusters then. Well, the party is over and the social welfare state is starting to go belly up. It’s “unsustainable,” to use a fashionable term. Obama is at the end of the road. He’s the dead end kid.
OUR FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT IS A SLAVEMASTER. HOW RICH. THE MAN WHOM MILLIONS THOUGHT WAS THE ICON OF ALL THOSE WRONGED IN AMERICA IS NOW ZEALOUSLY HAMMERING THE CHAINS AND SHACKLES THAT WILL BIND US IN INDENTURED SERVITUDE. HE HAS NOW GOTTEN HIS REPARATIONS AND HIS REVENGE ON THE (WHITE) AMERICA MANY OF US UNDERSTOOD BEFORE THE ELECTION HE HATED. WE ARE NOW THE SUPPLICANTS FOR OUR RIGHTS. THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AMERICANS SUBMIT TO INTIMIDATION BY THOSE OF ANOTHER RACE. WE LET OURSELVES BE BULLIED, MENACED, INTIMIDATED, ROBBED, AND MARGINALIZED ALL IN THE NAME OF RACIAL POLITICS. The Nazis had a superior race. How is that any differenct from what is happening to day with black vs. white? The spectacle of Black congressman holding hands with that monster Pelosi doing a simulation of Health Care as a CIVIL RIGHT and their enactment of a faux Civil Rights March in support of Health Care was nothing short of a monstrous lie. There they were as DEFENDERS OF RIGHTS in their DEATH MARCH TO DESTROY THEM. How convenient that Congressman Lewis a race pimp of the highest order at that precise moment would accuse those against his fascism of calling him a racial slur although there was no evidence to support his accusation. All the rallies across the country, nothing. But then? When he had the opportunity to discredit we who are fighting to preserve our liberty? It was such a transparent fraud as to be beyond comment. But the mastadon media seized on it because that is what they have done for decades. So there you have it: destroying the rights of millions vs. being called a name. Of course! The worse offense was….the name calling!!!! The French have a saying lossly translated is this: What a terrible creature this is. When struck, it defends itself. When we have gotten to a point in this country where a fascist congressman is more virtuous because he can alledge a name being screamed against him than be judged by the crime he is commiting against those accused, we are in deep sh-t. That is, in a nutshell, what is wrong with this country.
Mr. Whittle,
I have been watching Afterburner and reading your blog for 6 months now. After reading your work, those of other PJM bloggers and many history books and texts I had to read thanks to my father (I was home educated due to discipline issues), this is not ideal socialism, social programs or a new wonderful government. It is how people in power fight tooth and nail to stay in power.
An out of touch, bloated government needs reform right now. I do believe that health care does need some work, but it is STILL THE BEST IN THE WORLD. They will find very quickly that they system is being rocked by people…not activists, people. People who have access to information from books, the Internet, people around the world and can draw their own conclusions on how social programs in other countries work, for good or bad. This isn’t the Dark Ages and the people can find out how things really work.
We are still a young country and still have our pride in what we have done and what we can do should we put our mind and will into it. Those in power that refuse to move on when their service is ended and giving others a chance to serve the country (oh no…actually SERVE someone else out of duty, honor and personal growth? *sarcasm added*) in the same way are roadblocks that can be removed.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death! – Patrick Henry
@92. Anne:
“….90
pooh……you and Pinocchio…”
Well, I don’t know about that Pinocchio character. But Rosenbaum runs a sucker’s game on his blog. It’s the people whose comments he regularly posts who should wonder why. Skeeziks ought to go over there. In fact…hmmmm…..
“These are the times that try men’s souls”. Someone much smarter than I said that line. Another famous line, “We will never quit, we will never quit, we will never, never quit’. All persons who hold any political office with the letter “D” after their name is a marxist. Remember that. Do not listen them, do not vote for them, do not associate with them. They are marxist’s. The GOP and the lazy people of this country who have not being paying attention to what has been going on right under there noses for years and years are to blame for where we are now. We are to blame. Chew on that. So with that being said, now Democrats, you have awaken this sleeping giant and the people of this great country that you believe to be so stupid, so lazy, so dependant upon you, you arrogant, Harvard, Yale or Stanford educated jerks. This goes to the very core of our culture. Not only are we going to defeat you, we are not going to stop next time. You have shown and taught all of us about how dirty,vile and rotten you are to the very core. I don’t know what other kids did in their neighborhoods but when we were young, you take out the bully and/or bullies in this instance, cut off the head of the snake and he will die. But, we can’t stop there….we will never quit, never, never, quit fighting for our freedom and the freedom of other depressed people. People in this country have never lived under tyranny, under a dictator and we are not about to start now. I propose that millions of people go to Washington, bring your camping gear, food, water, make it so congested that they cannot leave, drive; only be shuttled out by helicopter……..same thing at the airports, get on the runways, the planes cannot land or fly out…..how about that Miss Pelosi? No more 747 trips back and forth to California. Same with train stations. All transportation ceases. All of you “D’s” can sleep, eat and whatever in that throne that you have built for yourselves. You have forgotten one big, big thing. YOU WORK FOR US, WE THE PEOPLE. WE THE PEOPLE OF THE REPUBLIC OF THE UNITED STATES AND UNDER GOD. We are mad as hell and we are not going to take it any more!
Good thinking Conservos, get rid of health care, Medicare, police, public transportation, Internet, armed forces, anything robbing you of your ‘freedom’, anything helping the community.
Instead of efficiently pooling your money, just pay an arm and a leg to the robber barons, great thinking!
Sam Iam said :
Marxist and commies??? you guys are nut jobs. totally pawned and blinded by the actual people who are taking your liberties. stuck on irrelevant debates while being robbed blind, not by healthcare or abortion or gay rights, but by the military industrial complex.
Obama is the worst of both ends of the spectrum – because both ends come together as Statism. So we are getting ripped of by Communist “health-care”, while simultaneously getting ruined by the Fascist Government-Finance industry axis.
I’m an American. I was born in the Deep South, I’ve lived all over the country, from New England to the West Coast, I’ve done cross-country road trips from Oregon through Texas and New Mexico up to New York, and I know this: Wherever you go, we all want the same things. Security and prosperity for our country, our loved ones, and ourselves. No one doesn’t want that. No one says, “I think we should tank our economy, drown our grandchildren in debt, and leave the country wide open to attack. Yeah, that’ll work out great.”
What we disagree on is how to achieve and maintain prosperity and security. We all have our own ways of doing things, and we all believe our ways are the best ways; if we didn’t, we’d find other methods, and use them instead.
But that’s what democracy is, and that’s why it works so well; it’s about coming together, pooling the best of our ideas, deciding which of those ideas to put into practice, and then making it happen.
Democracy is not about one group always being right, and some other group always being wrong. No one group is right all the time, and believing otherwise leads to a very slippery slope. It’s not about keeping score, it’s not about settling scores, and it’s not meant to be a game of “whoever shouts the loudest wins.” It’s about coming to agreements — and one of those agreements is that no one group gets their way all the time.
Now — here’s the Invisible Hand in action — if people vote in a bad idea, or representatives of a bad idea, and that idea turns out to be as bad as people feared, then people turn around and vote it out. The best ideas rise to the top and stay there, and the bad ones get filtered out on election day.
The right approach is to put forth a persuasive argument, convince people to see things your way by showing them the truth of your position. Bill is great at that; he’s eloquent, he’s well-informed, usually pretty reasonable, and he speaks with great passion and conviction.
Emotions are very powerful things, and just as they can fuel the passion needed for the right approach, they can cloud our judgment and lead us to the wrong one.
The wrong approach is get in people’s faces, shout, and call names. When you label your opponents — and pick any nasty label, any loaded word — you start to think of them as less than fellow Americans, less than individuals, less than people — at least less than people on your own level. You start to think of them not as competitors or opponents, but enemies. And enemies are something to hate and fear. They want to hurt you, hurt the things and the people and the country you love. Their words are only there to deceive you. And while opponents are only there to be defeated, enemies have to be destroyed. Us or them.
It goes without saying that the “enemies” mindset is not what democracy is meant for, that it’s unhealthy for our politics and for our society. We all wonder, “How could anyone vote for the other guy?” “How could anyone want what the other guy stands for?” But at the same time, we all know people personally who voted for the other guy, who stand by what the other guy stands for. Good people, smart people. People who love their families as much as we love ours, and who love the country just as much as we do, and who want the county to succeed and prosper just as much as we do.
The enemies we fight, the enemies we hate, the enemies who despise their country and want to see it destroyed — those aren’t the people we know. Or the hundreds of millions just like the people we know.
Hatred won’t bring this country happiness. Labels won’t bring this country happiness. Revenge, name-calling, “I know you are, but what am I?” — none of those things will help. What our society needs most, when it comes to politics, is mutual respect, and the recognition on all sides that we all want to see America succeed, and that all we need to do is come together, agree on the best path forward, and do all we can to make it happen.
Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have an IQ of 130 — that would be combined between the three of them and you can get to 150 if you throw in Biden —
That high ?
Methinks you’re a bit generous there.
Barack Obama is, to them, a once in history opportunity for progressives to control this country…
Aw shoot, it’s gonna take awhile to control the entire population, all 300 of them
THANK YOU! A+++ I could not agree with you more. This is the best thing I’ve read since Sunday’s obamination. We MUST NOT despair. These are brand news times with brand new tools… and we are faithful people.
#131. Vivo, have you any idea why it’s so hard to find ammunition these days?
I am fired up. I am engaged. I am also wary of the tactics used over the weekend by our opponents during the Healthcare vote. They got inside our decision loop and prempted us conservatives by encouraging those interested in immigration reform (200,000?) to rally in Washington AT THE SAME TIME….this allowed them get a larger group of people to ‘trump’ the news cycle for all MSM who needed to report on why people were rallying in DC. It allowed them to somewhat ignore the Tea Partiers (25,000) resisting healthcare cram down…. (Google “OODA loop” in wikipedia)
We must take note of this…They KNEW we would call for a mass rally and they acted inside of this knowledge to thwart our efforts..
“The price of liberty is eternal vigilance”.
Thomas Jefferson
God Bless
135. Paul -Indiana:
“131. Vivo, have you any idea why it’s so hard to find ammunition these days?”
Yes, it went back to the Middle Ages.
Only the ignorant feel powerless.
…and the powerful feed on the ignorant.
All persons who hold any political office with the letter “D” after their name is a marxist. Remember that. Do not listen them, do not vote for them, do not associate with them. They are marxist’s
This effectively eliminates Laura from the rolls of those with something to say.
Adios.
#136 “Yes, it went back to the Middle Ages.”
???
Our republic today stands on a similar fulcrum of history. A republic rarely moves with alacrity until it’s faced by direct threat or assault. We as a people are normally too busy inventing, innovating, making money, building communities, and generally running our lives to notice the danger. Not this time. No, indeed, not this time. The citizenry is on the move. Woe be you who stand in the way.
If the republicans can take back the House they can do the whole country a favor by not funding the “health care (insurance)” law while it is being taken to the Supreme Court over constitutional issues. Plus all States have the 10th Amendment and can pass “Nullification” of this bill, all they have to do is deem the legislation unconstitutional and pass it through both the House and Senate and have the Governor sign it. In Tennessee such legislation has already passed the Senate with votes soon in the House, not sure about the Governor but his terms are up this year anyway and most likely will be replaced by a Republican!
142. Odysseus:
“#136 “Yes, it went back to the Middle Ages.”
???”
Didn’t get it? The people hoarding the ammunition went back to the Middle Ages, an era where ignorance was rampant and mass murders were committed in the name of God.
As usual with you on the left, you feel rather than reason. “Ammunition hoarding” didn’t go back to the Middle Ages, since there was no “ammunition” (expendable, non-reusable projectiles) as we know it today then. And you clearly don’t know anything much about the times or the culture if you think ignorance was rampant. I suspect you believe that the Crusades were the “mass murders” you talk about. You are either ignorant (not knowing what you’re talking about) or a liar.
And “only the ignorant feel powerless?” You got that from some lefty web forum, I bet. No, the ignorant are happy in their ignorance (aren’t you?). It’s the awakened populace that feels not powerless, but ignored. And we will not let that condition continue. The fascists (that’d be you and your ilk) who are bent on consolidating the control they believe they’ve achieved will find that they have a fight on their hands, one way of another.
@145. vivo: – The people hoarding the ammunition went back to the Middle Ages…
Did they? Did they use a time machine? Hot tub?
Meanwhile, you have some evidence that anyone is hoarding ammunition? Got some evidence showing that the shortage isn’t due to a far more common, far more plausible market phenomenon: a pervasive increase in demand?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, vivo.
The 20th Century saw decades of evidence and millions of deaths demonstrating that God is not a required facet of motivation to commit mass murder. Democide only needs an unarmed citizenry.
146. goy:
OK, now we know, hoarding doesn’t drive demand.
Don’t worry, vivo, goy often makes these wild-eyed statements of certainty of certainty. Hey goy, got an extraordinary evidence that hoarding doesn’t impact demand? Didn’t think so. Quit trying so hard. You’re beginning to sound like Sarah Palin.
Geez did you hear that bimbo today? How utterly embarrassing for McCain to have to stand there and grin while this dimwit stumbles her way through 20 minutes of ‘pullican platitudes. I know you’re not the least bit ashamed to be associated with her and her ilk, but you should be. And you will be.
Yes, yes, yes….
We are all going to hell in a hand basket.
I can smell the brimstone as we speak.
What a howling pack of maroons you all are
Thank God the liberals are idiots
or there would be no hope.
Please, sir, let me offer a completely different point of view.
First of all, I have friends and family in the USA, and lived in Phoenix, Arizona for 10 years in the 1960′s and ’70′s, during my youth.
I must admit, therefore, that I am not a completely unbiased observer.
Currently, I live in Ontario Canada. And, before I forget to make the point: It may come as a stunning shock to many Americans, that we are not your enemies, nor are we Communists, Fascist, or sub-humans. We have our faults and failures, but also our qualities and successes.
Yet, sadly, I must say the both of America’s great parties failed in the recent medical debates and debacles.
There were other, better, and more truthful options in this health care mess…. (And note, I am certainly not saying that the system we have up here was the “big answer”, either…)
Yet instead, fear and rhetoric, and politics has caused much harm to many American Citizens, while not helping those that truly needed help… and not doing a thing to combat the horrid waste that has been going on for far too long.
I cannot go into a debate on all the issues here, it is late, and I have neither the time or space to do so.
But I sincerely hope that America can pull itself together in the near future, stop the infighting, fix the problems, help those who HONESTLY need help (and are not just con artists), and carry on.
On the bright side, the combined Bush/Obama bail outs, did yield one small ray of light and hope. It appears Citi Bank may have put the worst of the meltdown behind it, and according to reports, I hear Uncle Sam may make a small profit of $8 billion on the deals that were done. (Note that $8B, is a mere pittance compared the the horrors wreaked on the global economy by people who basically gambled and speculated with ordinary citizen’s money, by dealing in financial instruments no lone person, or small group of them can comprehend.)
Tragically, I am sadly in the opinion, that while Mrs Obama/Bidden are not evil incarnate, they are not the great answer many hoped for. But then again, neither would Palin or McCain be the golden answers.
As to who, or how, to find workable solutions, I admit, I myself am currently at a loss for concrete recommendations. There are too many problems, too many issues, too many challenges in the nexus. Both sides have good and bad points. (And space here, precludes a logical discussion.)
A point I made in a previous post (regarding your excellent essay about the tragic events of Hiroshima and Nagasaki – which should, incidentally, be required reading for all Citizens), I shall now repeat:
A patriot is a patriot, not because he is Republican or Democrat, or something else. A patriot is a patriot, because he tries to best serve the needs and wishes of all the people of the Republic, as well as the Republic itself.
Less politics, less inflammatory talk, less hatred, more cooperation and constructive criticism, and more ideas that can yield workable solutions are needed.
Good luck, America! AND: That luck is sorely needed.
@147. skeeziks: – got an extraordinary evidence that hoarding doesn’t impact demand?
Apparently your too drunk to realize that I don’t need any. Hoarding – at least on any significant scale – would absolutely impact demand… if hoarding were actually occurring.
The trick is in actually demonstrating – with some sort of, you know, evidence – that hoarding is actually happening at all. Poor, clueless vivo is inferring that “hoarding” is responsible for the current difficulty in procuring ammunition. Does s/he have some evidence that anyone is hoarding ammunition? So far… no.
146. goy:
“Meanwhile, you have some evidence that anyone is hoarding ammunition? Got some evidence showing that the shortage isn’t due to a far more common, far more plausible market phenomenon: a pervasive increase in demand?”
Think about what you wrote. ‘Shortage due to increase in demand’. Since I don’t hear anyone doing any increase in shooting, they must be hoarding it.
147. skeeziks mentioned SP. I finally realized why people like her: she talks, acts and thinks like a beauty queen. Entertaining.
@149. vivo: – …I don’t hear anyone doing any increase in shooting, they must be hoarding it.
Really? So… you think the world revolves around what you, personally… perceive ?
Interesting. Hardly compelling.
I love cold weather, and I recently went to our local rifle range in the dead of winter, on a weekday, thinking The Gore Effect would make it easy to get a spot on the 200yd range, which is usually completely empty.
I had to wait two hours for a lane.
Can we use my anecdotal “evidence”?
goy
Sorry, but someone who is a coward, fraud, and a liar cannot be taken seriously. In the article linked below:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/high-drama-amid-obamacare-threats/#comments-72
you were caught lying several times. The worst time was in post #72 where you suggested that you are a veteran. I’ve asked you repeatedly to name when and with what unit you served. You’ve repeatedly refused to answer those questions. A real veteran would be able to do so. It’s pathetic that you could be so cowardly as to pretend to be a veteran. Your comments cannot be taken seriously.
I stand ready to defend the Constitution, first with the Quill and if necessary with my life.
150. goy:
“I had to wait two hours for a lane.
Can we use my anecdotal “evidence”?”
So 20 guys shooting 100 shots at a range, and maybe 1,000(?) ranges are busy 360 days a year, would that kill the supply of ammunition?
20x100x1000x360= 720 million bullets/year
A small factory produces 1.2m per year.
So maybe they are not hoarding, just helping the Economy by keeping those factories working.
148. goy:
“Hoarding – at least on any significant scale – would absolutely impact demand… if hoarding were actually occurring . . . Does s/he have some evidence that anyone is hoarding ammunition?”
You mean like this?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31268
or this
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/04/ammo.shortage/
Here’s an excerpt:
“People are buying cases or whatever they can get their hands on and putting it away, absolutely,” he says. “The only way that this shortage can have to do with it is that people are buying and hoarding.”
Now, let me guess, you won’t believe it until you can see it on video.
@151. vivo: – So maybe they are not hoarding, …
That’s correct – I’ve seen no credible evidence presented by anyone that any significant portion of the citizenry is “hoarding” ammunition.
– …just helping the Economy by keeping those factories working.
That’s how I’d tend to look at it too. And at the rate the socialists and RINOs in our government are destroying the economy, I’m sure it’s sorely needed and much appreciated business for all the people employed by those companies, and their families.
The problem is – at least the last time I checked – many ammunition manufacturers have added second and even third shifts, and still can’t keep up with the demand. So we’re back to the original issue. The same was true for firearms (may still be). I went shopping for one of these a while back. Everywhere I checked, they were back ordered with no projected delivery date. If I buy a back-up gun, am I “hoarding”? I don’t think so.
Great article – as usual.
There are two things that can, and should, be done…..Defund and Disobey. The House controls the purse-strings – insist that your Representatives defund the bill – and it doesn’t matter if it’s now “law” – it won’t be done.
The other is something that WE can do, now and every day….DISOBEY. It is our responsibility to refuse to obey unconstitutional laws (notice I didn’t say law that we don’t like). There are lots of great ideas on this website: http://www.defundanddisobey.com
Talk is cheap. If we all start walking the walk – we can be effective.
By the way, those who are going on about “hoarding” or “not hoarding” – does it matter? I’m stocking up on nonperishables, too…does that mean I’m “hoarding”? So what? What’s wrong with hoarding? I’m preparing to protect and provide for my family should we have hyperinflation and all of the ills that accompany that. I live in town – it’ll be ugly. And I’m not going into that night without a fight. So, I’m collecting what I think we might need. LOTS of people are – so demand is up. Big deal.
I take GREAT comfort in knowing that most of the guns belong to conservatives (probably because valuing life is a moral value and most liberals don’t believe in morals) for the defense of their families. And those people are quietly stocking up, too. Not doing so is irresponsible…so your comments about it somehow being a bad thing just show you for a fool. Grow up – or run home to mommy, who is hopefully stocking up some food for your childish ass.
@157. skeeziks: – You mean like this?
Well… let’s take a look…
The article at this link only mentions the “hoarding” of ammo once. Here’s what the author says in that regard:
So here we have a second hand account of someone else’s speculation. Are the customers actually hoarding? Who knows. All we have is a claim by the author about a claim made by someone he claims he spoke to. What the actually customers were doing? No way to know.
He goes on to relate a third-hand anecdotal tale about events that occurred at a gun show. Plausible? I suppose. But do we know these people were “hoarding” and not simply trying to get enough ammo to attend a three-day training session somewhere? Uhm… no. Any idea how many boxes of ammo you go through Smith & Wesson Academy’s Defensive Handgun Tactics & Techniques or Concealed Carry Handgun courses? Somehow I doubt it. In fact I’m quite sure you’ve never even considered it. It got to be such an issue that they started including ammo with the course. If you enroll in a Gun Site course, for instance, you’ll have to bring along anywhere from 500 to 1200 rounds of whatever you’re shooting. Since a LOT of people are trying to get in the training to apply for CCW permits and such, it’s much more likely that this is the sort of thing that makes people appear to be “hoarding”.
On your other (CNN) cite, I don’t even have to mention CNN’s lack of credibility on a topic like this, because you cleverly omitted the excerpt raised questions about whether there’s any hoarding actually happening:
“Jim Minardi, a gun dealer in Lakewood, Colorado, says only a few people are actually hoarding. But they are buying up so much ammo that there isn’t much left on the shelves.”
Oh well, I’m sure you didn’t read past the point where you could copy and paste something that matched your world view.
To Mr. Minardi’s comments, I would say add: any idea how much ammo you go through – or, at least, should go through – if you carry concealed and you’re being conscientious about keeping your shooting and gun handling skills sharp? Again, I doubt it. When demand goes up, as it has been, and ammo gets scarce, you buy a lot of whatever you can find in order to fill anticipated need down the road. I suppose some people would call that “hoarding”. Maybe you do. I don’t.
- Now, let me guess, you won’t believe it until you can see it on video.
Do you have some? I love a good video.
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@154. Mr. Independent: – goy
Oh, Look! I have my own personal stalker!
#145 Vivo. Well, I’m glad that you explained your train of thought. The obvious answer is that the ammo is all being purchased. Just a word of advice. Use Occam;s razor.
You are right about us not falling into a self-fulfilling prophecy. I believe this Obama-Read-Palosi fiasco has caused many to wake up and realize what is happening. However, there is still much work to be done as far as getting more people to understand the terrible track we are on. The idea about us getting a slogan together is absolutely necessary. One thing you did not bring up is the possibility of amnesty being next on the list. If the vast amount of illegal aliens become voters in the upcoming elections who do you think they will vote for? Our enemies running D.C. are anticipating the backlash and the steps are underway for their continued “reign of terror.” The battle is on, but it is an enormous one with heavy implications and we must ban together and choose to never back down.
I started reading you when you first began blogging and liked a lot of what you wrote. But “Monkey boys”!!!! I guess you have truely revealed your point of view and position. Sad that someone with a good intellect will stoop to such a sad level.
As a Southerner, I am descended from the only Americans who’ve ever lost a war. But as a descendant of veterans of the Revolution, the Indian Wars, WWI, & WWII, I also know that the American spirit will ultimately prevail. As I write this, I’m looking at my great-great grandaddy’s Confederate States’ Army-issue musket. It’s battered & unusable now, but in it’s time it was used to fight for freedom from a Federal government overreaching into the rights of the people & the States without due process of law. It wasn;t used to defend slavery– my great-great grandaddy was a poor farmer, raising 10 kids on 100 acres of bottom-land. that musket was used to defend Alabama, her people, and her rights as enshrined in the Constitution of the United States.