Horrific: Arizona Congresswoman Shot, Federal Judge Killed
Gabrielle Giffords, a 40-year old Arizona Democrat “was among as many as 12 people wounded in a shooting at a Tucson, Ariz., grocery store where she was holding a campaign event,” ABC News reports:
ABC affiliate KGUN-TV in Tucson reported that as many as 12 people had been shot, including Giffords.
Sources said Giffords had been shot in the head.
She was taken to University Medical Center where a hospital spokesman confirmed she was alive. But the extent and seriousness of her injuries are unknown.
A law enforcement source told KGUN that the shooter was in custody.
Reuters has since tweeted that the congresswoman later passed away. Other reports are saying that six other people have died in the incident, and several injured.
The Anchoress notes that it hasn’t taken long for this story to become politicized, and has background details on Giffords:
It is appalling to note that some on the social media circuits are already letting the conspiracy theories fly according to their agendas – some on the left are already tweeting about Sarah Palin and gun imagery and some are not beneath bringing the full-crazy and wondering if this was done purposely to blame Palin. [QED--Ed] Not the time, folks. It’s kind of disgusting when you hear someone is shot and the first thing you do is try to figure out how to fit the terrible news to your political worldview. Blame the gunman.
I do wish the CNN anchor would learn how to pronounce her name. Can he not figure out Gabrielle? Giffords is the only member of congress married to an active member of the military, astronaut Mark Kelly; they have two children.
Here’s Giffords’ Wikipedia page and Kelly’s; more on the shooting as it comes in.
Update (11:36 PST): I’ve amended the headline; Reuters is now saying that Giffords is still in surgery, and alive.
Update (12:21 PM PST): Glenn Reynolds adds:
And judging from the comments to this post, people are already trying to score political points. Well, they kind of telegraphed this strategy, didn’t they? Remember Bloomberg making a fool of himself by blaming the Times Square bombing on the Tea Party? How about waiting until we actually know something, this time? That’s likely to be soon enough.
President Obama’s office has released the following statement:
This morning, in an unspeakable tragedy, a number of Americans were shot in Tuscon, Arizona, at a constituent meeting with Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. And while we are continuing to receive information, we know that some have passed away, and that Representative Giffords is gravely wounded.
We do not yet have all the answers. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society. I ask all Americans to join me and Michelle in keeping Representative Giffords, the victims of this tragedy, and their families in our prayers.
Speaker Boehner’s office adds this statement:
I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff. An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society. Our prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords, her staff, all who were injured, and their families. This is a sad day for our country.
From Sarah Palin:
My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today’s tragic shooting in Arizona.
On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice.
Update (12:49 PST): Found via Cassy Fiano, who has regular updates on the shooting, “Federal Judge John M. Roll killed in Arizona attack, NBC News reports.”
Meanwhile, Paul Krugman of the New York Times goes all in; the Daily Kos fires up the airbrush.
Update (1:04 PM PST): Suspect identified, Business Insider reports:
AP and NBC are reporting that the shooter is named Jared Laughner and is an Arizona native.
Some have reported, including Fox News, that Laughner was an Afghanistan war veteran.
His age is either 21 or 22.
The Washington Post confirms Laughner’s name, but has little on his background as of now.
MSNBC reports, “Surgeon says he’s ‘optimistic’ for congresswoman’s survival after shooting.”
Update (1:25 PM PST): Blogger Bookworm Room on apparent YouTube page of the suspect:
Judging by his YouTube channel, choice (a), above (i.e., crazy) may be the correct identifier for Laughner. In the 1950s, he would have been talking about Martians and mind control. In the 1700s, he would have been concerned about witches and the devil. This video is more evidence of his profound reality disconnect. Also, from his YouTube site, check out some of the books that informed his reality (emphasis mine):
Books:I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.
The suspect’s last name is apparently Loughner, not Laughner as was originally reported; Ben Smith of the Politico has more: “Alleged shooter left social media hints.” Ed Morrissey collates and embeds the videos posted under Loughner’s name at Hot Air.
Update (1:45 PST): Mark Knoller of CBS tweets, “Hospital says neurosurgeons have finished operating on Giffords and are optimistic about her recovery.”
Update (2:00 PST): Scroll down to the bottom of this Doug Ross post for a possible photo of the suspect.
Gov. Brewer orders Arizona flags to half staff.
Michelle Malkin has a lengthy round-up of news on both the shooting and the spin from the left.
Late Update: At “Putting the Narrative Before the Horse,” I look at a much earlier example of the media rushing to create a narrative, no matter that it didn’t the facts of a shooting incident that left one official dead and another critically wounded. Additional updates and opinion on Saturday’s incident will appear in separate posts on the blog. And stop by the Pajamas homepage for additional reaction from other PJM bloggers.
What a horrible event. My respects to her family and the families of her staff members.
God’s blessings and comfort to her friends and family.
For the record, killing politicians is NOT acceptable political discourse in this nation!
Agreed. Have noted the many news media folk as well as politicians and those interviewed have called for prayers for the victims and their famlies. Many of these grieving people have previously been the ones to support banning prayer in schools, courtrooms, sporting events, and other places. Will they continue their “conversion” after the news coverage subsides ? Yes, preying is called for.
Nor is it acceptable to depict a representatives district as a target in the crosshairs as did Sarah Palin with Congresswoman Giffords. Right wing vitriol and bigotry is indirectly responsible for this tragedy. They fan the false fires of overheated minds then hide behind a bush like cowards when hell breaks loose as it did in this case.
Utter crap.
“Overheated” crap at that.
Oh, you mean like the radical environmental groups, right?
My condolences to the victims families and the people of Arizona.
Horrible that some are already trying to take advantage of a tragic event to further their political agendas.
I’m hoping that there are no more fatalities and pray for the surviving victims recovery.
Terrible day.
I can’t say this surprises me. Politicians, all of them, are becoming the most hated people in America. I expect more of this to happen.
See my comment above.
I don’t care how hated they are, how divisive the issues get, or how reprehensible the behavior of the victim, killing elected officials is not acceptable political discourse. Period. Full stop.
“For the record, killing politicians is NOT acceptable political discourse in this nation!”
I tend to agree with your views many times, but I think you got it not really clear here.
Killing politicians has ALWAYS been acceptable for the LEFT
Just a review on contemporary history in the rest of the world will confirm it. The point is that, while it’s happened before, now that the extreme-left is in power in the USA is the worst moment for a mess like this. They will use it to advance their agenda. They know that foolish people will look at gun owners (and republicans) with suspicion, they need only a MSM charge to now to spread some lies and propaganda that will put us all in chains. THAT’s why usually the Left always kill somebody of their own party.
Sorry if I sound conspiracist, but I’ve been there in the third world and seen that pattern too many times. Chavez did some shooting in a political meeting just few years ago in Venezuela, just for an example..
I guess I just have higher standards than most lefties.
But the left is not in power, not totally anyway. The House won’t pass gun control legislation, nor have they the time to do so.
Truly sad, at this writing there may be some good news in that the Congresswoman may be only wounded. Let us hope that it is true.
Though I didn’t vote for her, she’s my representative in Congress. I hope it’s true that they have the shooter in custody, and I hope for Representative Giffords’ complete recovery.
very very sad
Get well soon Misses(?) Gifford.
The shooter has been caught. The longer we have to wait for his name, the better the chances he’s a Mexican illegal.
I’m thinking the same thing.
NPR’s copy:
“The suspect ran off and was tackled by a bystander. He was taken into custody. Witnesses described him as in his late teens or early 20s.”
from:
http://www.npr.org/2011/01/08/132764367/congresswoman-shot-in-arizona
…has the typical MSM PC stench of not wanting to identify a suspect by race or ethnicity when the suspect is of a “pet” race or ethnicity.
Yeah. When WILL npr stop protecting white people?
Yeah, see, and that’s why I didn’t feel bad about my post referring to palin’s crosshairs map.
All sides will try to politicize this.
I am heartily sorry…that after ten years of leftypigs calling for the assassination of Bush and other Republican officials, of giggling over the illnesses and deaths of conservatives, and of eliminationalist rhetoric squealed by them, that anyone is actually shocked by this.
ConservativeWanderer, you assert that killing politicians is not an acceptable form of politicial discourse. I assert that before sunset, half a dozen lefty pundits and commentators will exult that the chickens are coming home to roost for Republicans. And I don’t mean Ted Rall and Ward Churchill I’m thinking of Daily Kos, Huffington Post, and Keith Olbermann.
Of course they will. That’s the level they’ve sunk to.
I, however, prefer to stay on a slightly higher level than the average lefty talking head full of talking points and little else.
F*cking-A! There is a big difference between ‘fantasy’ killing people and REAL killing!
Yeah, the Lefties are as blood-thirsty as they come when it comes to imaginary blood-letting (i.e. movies/propaganda/stupid-youtubes/angry-violent-words) but this is just vile. VILE and anyone even joking about this is a pure SCUM.
You were DEAD ON! Just read the SLANT the Sheriff has by putting the BLAME first on the REPUBLICANS. I am furious over his comments. HE is now the ONE who has JUST FANNED THE FLAMES not on the Right, BUT ON THE LEFT!! The LEFT is going to RUN with this now… AND the Sheriffs comments are TOTALLY NOT TRUE. TALK ABOUT BEING A SLANTED/HYPOCRITE.
This Sheriff should immediately get out of the PR bussiness and stick to his “Top Law Enforcement” Job! He is p!ss poor at PR!
sad to say this, but this is horribly following the pattern followed in other countries when the Left has taken power and see their power-seizing menaced: sow some chaos with shootings, kill some people, even if from their own party aaaaand: blame, blame, blame, blame, blame it all on the other side, the bad republicans, too-free people, gun owners etc etc etc.
Yep. It’s the left who’ll try to politicize it. Very good.
Our prayers and hopes are with her and her family. This is a senseless tragedy.
I live in Tucson, didn’t support Giffords, but this is nuts. Agree with poster that the hypocrisy will be mind numbing. Nicholas Baker’s novel which was praised by leftwing critics calling for Bush’s assassination or DemUnderground, etc. wishing Cheney died when he had a heart attack tells you all you need to know about how this is a two sided rhetorical issue.
I’m glad the shooter doesn’t fit the profile of Tea Party or talk radio audience, a middle aged white guy.No doubt Chris Matthews and Olberdouche and Rachel Madcow will try to make a connection, but it will require a stretch.
Maybe we need to heed Dr. King’s words, “We’ll either live together as brothers or die together as fools”
Local Tucson CBS affiliate KOLD is also reporting that she’s in surgery. That sort of presupposes that she’s still alive, or was when they started the operation.
I’m absolutely speechless. The shock of this reminds me of the Kennedy assassination. Watch for the antigun lobby to belch their venom again.
This was my EXACT thought too, Andy!
Can’t let a good ‘crisis’ go to waste.
Well, actually the antigunner’s venom is in constant motion. They’ve already lost any respect they’ve ever had. The gun grabbers will not be able to argue anything they haven’t already been spewing and citizens are very aware today that fiction is not reality. Neither are they grass roots. They only get anywhere because the political class elitists and grabbers are bosom buddies. Incorporation of the Second Amendment and alternative media is making it very hard for gun grabbers today.
As terrible and senseless as this shooting has been the worst is still yet to come. When Congress gets back together they’ll be in lockstep with one of their own as a victim to try and take away firearms from hardworking and respectful gun owners. You can bet your bottom dollar that one of the first things on their agenda will be to push through a bill to limit gun ownership in way shape or form. It was not a law abiding gun owner who committed this act of homeland terrorism. Gun owners and advocates must be more vigilant then ever in defending our right to own firearms.
“It was not a law abiding gun owner who committed this act of homeland terrorism”
He was right up to the point where he shot a congresswoman at point blank.
And that is why your argument is invalid.
You don’t know that. He was an Army reject- reason undisclosed. For all we know he was rejected for mental illness or felony convictions as a minor.
The truth will come so be patient. Yes, imbeciles will speak and weak minded politicians will over react but true justice will prevail. Everyone must remember that when corruption is tolerated that is exactly what we will get more of. Let’s tolerate none of it, please. May the Lord of Lord’s have mercy on us all, today.
What a sad day. The shooter is contemptible.
It’s amazing that leftists are already using it to fan their political manias. That is nearly as contemptible as the shooter.
At least little lenin has so far resisted the urge.
“That is nearly as contemptible as the shooter.”
I’m … sorry?
My prayers go out to Congresswoman Gifford, her Husband , Her poor Children and her Staffers. I pray she recovers fully, as well as her staffers who may have been injured also. I am shocked to say the least. This is America and this is terrible.
I agree with ConservativeWanderer. It is a sad state in America when something this awful happens and then low lifes in media and the political arena try to score political points. That is LOW. Well it will come out who the Low lifes are and America will see the true character of these people, politicans and their networks.
According to international scources, the shooter is an Afghan vet. Jared Loutner.
Oh the irony if that proves to be true.
AP is reporting the shooter is Jared Laughner. Hope we get some background on him soon. CBC reported a federal judge was killed.
If this is legit, the guy has a screw loose but the screw doesn’t fit any conventional mold.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10
There are reports of at least one accomplice / conspirator.
Chilling. Yikes.
Babbles on about the “new currency” in one video.
In another he proclaims: “I’m able to control every belief and religion by being the mind controller!”
Batsh** crazy if it is him….
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4
This one talks about “terrorist”, “revolution”, “governemnt control”, and “the bible”, but you’re smarter than me if you can make sense of it. He seems interested in those topics but it’s hard to say why or how. He does say he claimed no religion but was given a bible by the military.
He says he is a military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix. MEPS may be Military Entrance Processing Center.
Again, I have no idea if this stuff is linked to the guy, but it certainly seems insane enough to be his.
MEPS is the processing station for Military Recruits. If he is a Afghan war vet then he was working there…also the Military doesn’t issue you a bible anymore. If you want one you can ask for one from your Chaplain, but it is not standard issue anymore. I really hope he is NOT a war vet…people already look at us as someone who might explode at any moment because of PTSD, if this guy was a war vet..people are going to be even more suspicious.
There is a discussion on the spelling of the last name Laughner or Loughner. Sorry about the earlier name, it came via Israel.
Andy, what Israel news sites are your favorites and do you mind sharing so I can bookmark them (I like to keep news links from as many different countries as possible just for perspective when I have the time).
The sick thing is that these victims were shot point-blank in the head without even a chance to plea for their lives. Absolutely horrifying.
Delia, I don’t have any favorite sites on Israeli news. My wife was on her computer and communicating with her Face-book friend Debra who is in Israel. Well that was a mix up. She was on Facebook with my nephew’s wife in Phoenix. Phoenix Debra was getting the information from local scources. That’s what I get when I type on my machine while my wife is reading the information from her machine. Anyway sorry!
Regarding the shooter’s race, ABC news now has the quote “Eyewitness Steven Rayle told ABC News a man approached Giffords and shot her before turning his gun on other people randomly. Rayle described the shooter as a Caucasian male in his 20s wearing dark clothes.”
Three Whackadoodle Libtard responses for your consumption:
1). If only this young man could have received free psychiatric care under 0bamacare this tragedy would have never have happened!
2). It’s the access to guns! That madman would have NEVER gotten a gun if all guns were outlawed (except for the military and outlaws).
3). George Soros.
I rest my case.
Yes, how DARE the left politicize this?
you mean like you are matthew ? you are not near as clever as you think. your comments are usually text book alinsky.
parasites and producers …you have chosen your side.
Jared Lee Loughner own the youtube channel. The guy is schizotypal, if not schizophrenic. Doesn’t seem to be on the left-right spectrum.
Definitely a nutter. He wanted to make a big statement just like the jack-wagon a few weeks ago who shot at people in a court but fortunately didn’t kill anyone (talk about a bad shot).
There’s no Jared Laughner in Arizona phone directories, but there is a Jared Loughner, with a YouTube channel: http://bit.ly/bT6qqz and his videos show a mind that is very confused in a Unabomber kind of way.
Here are his favorite books:
Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic
no Ann Ryand.
It looks the reading list of a violent leftist. Nothing indicating religious leanings.
(but this could be a set of false clues. Might even be somebody else.)
oops, “we the living” is Ann Ryand’s first novel.
We’ll be hearing about that non-stop for the next month.
“It looks the reading list of a violent leftist. Nothing indicating religious leanings.”
Mein kampf and animal farm are the readings of a violent leftist? Wha?
“(but this could be a set of false clues. Might even be somebody else.)”
Now THAT’S sensible. Stick with that line of thinking.
“We’ll be hearing about that non-stop for the next month.”
You brought it up. And how DARE the left try to politicize this?
Mien Kampf WAS violent leftist dogma. I know you statist can’t ever accept that what you want for this country is Hitlarian Fascism, but that IS what you want. You can pretend the Nazis were “Republicans” but it doesn’t get out the stain. The Left loved Hitler until his actions were beyond defense.
Oh, for god’s sake. Absolutely nothing you just wrote was accurate. Not one word. I’m tired of having to explain historical facts to people who aren’t interested.
Here is what looks like the shooters facebook page. He sounds like a nut
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/profile.php?id=100001952074770
LMFAO!
Apparently pasting linkis doesn’t work His name is Jared Laughner. He is listed as a Tucosn resident and the About Jared box on hiis profile says the following:
Fight the right! Obama and the Progressives eill overcome the tyrrany of big business and the racist Tea Party.
BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!
Interesting when you go to the link, it spells the name differently. I’m not saying this is the case, but kind of looks hastily put together. All the people who inspire him look like the evil dozen. /just saying
Brother J,
That facebook entry for “Jared Laughner” could well be a fake. All the activity is “recent”, and there are no friends listed.
I would presume it’s a fake, in fact, unless otherwise substantiated.
(Is there any way to tell when the account was created or updated? If “recent activity” means 4 months ago, that’s different. But I wouldn’t be at all surprised if “recent” means “this afternoon” by someone trying to be clever and manipulative.)
Can’t you people read? The facebook page is of a young man with a differnt LAST NAME? There is more than ONE Jared in the world!
I am very upset that you would post the WRONG facebook page.. and slander the wrong guy!!!
That is NOT Jared Loughner’s facebook page!!! I know that young man on that facebook page. Please disregard that fraudulent post!!
Randy
When I was in college, forty plus years ago, you could get half a dozen humanities or social science undergrads together and you’d probably find that all of those books–that had been published–were familiar to most of the kids. No big deal for college kids in those days. IOW, means nothing.
Even wierder stuff from this nutter’s utube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/f/0/3L1lsLU-kUw
There’s an American flag in the desert. A masked figure in robes walks up and touches the flag. Later the flag is gone but the pole the flag was on remains.
I don’t think you could look at this stuff in isolation and say he was mad, but knowing what he did, it sure looks like he is simply nuts.
48 hours rule.
And NPR’s commenters are in “top form”, at the moment.
Guess she should’ve voted no. All kidding aside, the real tragedy is the 9 yr old kid.
If anything is to blame it is the fact that they closed all the mental institutions and let the crazies loose in society. Who do we blame for that?
Don’t forget the nutters who are released from jail ‘on good behavior’.
Who are the crazy people and who are the sane ones any more?
Some on the left are trying to turn this guy into a Bible carrying, gun toting fascist tea party supporting racist
Some on the right are trying to turn this guy into a leftwing, Jew hating anarchist.
However, the more despicable ones are those trying to milk this for political purposes and claim that Sarah Palin and\or Sharron Angle are the blame, indirectly, for the shooting.
Such as this guy…Jon Swaine from the Telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/us-politics/8248442/Gabrielle-Giffords-shooting-Americas-political-divide-exposed.html
A barbarian is a barbarian is a barbarian.
Not true. The buxom and buff Conan (Arnold Schwarzenegger) from once upon a time was hunk-a-licious, the faggly, limp-wristed ‘player bois’ of current age are so unmanly they seek ‘player’ websites.
Delia, as do most conservatives, sterotypes certain groups. She uses the term “faggly” and “limp-wristed” in such a way as to paint ALL gay men in that way. I’d invite Ms. Delia to any gym in West Hollywood and she’ll probably find that the fags that go there are neither “faggly” or “limp-wristed.” Most could easily compare with Arnold’s better buxom days. Get a clue Delia and stop hating.
One thing seems certain. This guy was an atheist, but more importantly, someone who was inimical towards people who DID have spiritual beliefs.
This will NEVER be reported in the MSM. Never.
No mo uro. You are WRONG, WRONG WRONG! I consider myself an atheist or rather an agnostic but my soul is imbued with more Christian values and love than the “souls” of 95% of “Christians” I know.
I also happen to be much more compassionate defender of Christianity and certainly much more knowledgeable of threats to Christianity than those Christians I mention.
If I were now on some position of power I would certainly push for the Christian values to be much firmer embeded in our educational system.
That is because I understand that the roots of the modern “Western civilisation” stick in Judeo/Christianity.
It is certainly EVERY GOOD HUMAN who is threatened by onslought of totalitarian collectivism whether it is a communo-fascism, Islamism, Russian or Chinese nationalism.
So we all must stick together.
Who accused you of being otherwise? It is the shooter who stands accused of being actively hostile toward religious people.
You’re right myth buster. I reacted too impulsively. Apology to no mo uro as well.
That was perhaps because the Christian conservatives (and Ann Coulter whom I love in particular) with whom I have much more in common than with the atheists and whom I support wholeheartedly are a bit too enthusiastic to lambast atheists and agnostics as natural allies of the world’s totalitarianism.
And nothing could be further from the truth than that…
B-
My post was not a specific accusation against any particular atheist, but merely a note to point out that this particular individual hated religious people, and that the MSM will never, ever mention that fact in the days to come.
This is a sorry mess for our country. While I may dislike the views of most Washington politicians, I respect the offices they seek, and sometimes I only wish I would have the guts to run for office and try to make a difference. Misguided as many of them are, they are noble for wanting to serve their districts and their country. This particular Representative had a track record of engaging her constituents, and that is very honorable. I hope Representative Giffords can make a full recovery and I hope the nut job that did this to all these innocent people, gets the chair.
From my FB
“What happened to discussing, talking and debating in a civilized way??Should we call the TeaParty people The Tea Party Taliban? It seems that they support, encourage and nurture terror and terrorism!!! Outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
I asked if she knew any and seems she has heard with her own ears them say they they will gun down their opposition. I said I don’t believe her and she said Of course, they didn’t say we’ll kill the opponents, one was saying, “accidents could happen
” whether or not you choose to believe Maryam is not the point. A FB post is never going to change your mind. Just understand that at this time, on this post, the Tea Baggers are considered the current day “lunatic fringe.” Home grown terrorists who have begun using a gun to take what they can not win by ballot”
Me-”Of course they are….by the left. Using a gun instead of the ballot. Do you forget the ballot vote that was taken on Nov 2. No guns were used.”
This is going to played by the left over and over.
According to the milblog Blackfive, there is no record of Loughner ever having been in the Army; and at 18, he’s too young to have completed basic and specialty training and served an Afghan deployment.
I think the latest reports put the shooter’s age at 22 or 23… perhaps someone with more knowledge of the military could tell us if that’s old enough to have gone over to Afghanistan.
You cite three responses: official statements from the president and the speaker … plus a Facebook comment from Sarah bloody Palin. And then you have the audacity to accuse others of trying to score political points.
I’m sure thousands of people have commented about the incident on Facebook. Why not quote them too?
Lessee: a US Congresswoman and an AZ state Senator (both Dems) have tried to blame Sarah Palin and the Tea Party for this. That’s not politicizing it?
From what little I’ve seen from the suspect’s writings and videos, he is more of a loon than part of any particular political spectrum.
Representative Giffords was a centrist. She is one of the last people I would have suspected might be the target of an assassination.
Making political hay from this sad event is no more appropriate than it was when Jason Lee shot up the Discovery building in Silver Spring Maryland last year.
Sorry windbags, this dude is a teabagger.. such hatred among them. Let me tell you.. this means WAR.
Prove it, troll.
And if you try to use links to lefty sites for your evidence, expect to get laughed at loud and long.
Ths dude is 90% whackjob and 10% leftist, idiot.
that is funny …you can change those percentages around and you will still be correct
Member of the “Jane-Fonda\Tokyo Rose-I-hate-America-Crowd”?
http://tinyurl.com/34y52gx
“Let me tell you.. this means
WARI’m going to hide under my bed with a bag of pot and my stroke magazines and wait for Obammy’s owners to write some more eliminationist rhetoric for His teleprompter.”FTFY, teabaggee.
Idiot!
Bring it, asshole.
And, as if on que, the lying left sets out to blame the Tea Party movement. Only Americans aren’t going to buy their lies and willful deceit. This nut who committed this heinous crime is a left wing mental case.
He is an anarchist nut case.
A Marinus van der Lubbe.
This is going to be used as the left’s Reichstag fire.
Yes that is enough time. If he joined the Military at age 18..he could have been done with boot camp and his AIT before his 19th birthday. Assuming he was in a active duty unit or even a reserve unit he could easily have gone to Afghanistan within another year making him around 19 or 20 With a average 12-15 month deployment that means when he came home we was around 20 or 21 years old. That is plenty of time for him to have served.
Maybe we should ask the small but significant number of people who comment on PJM and mutter about violence, if this is what they had in mind. Did some lefties mutter similarly during the days of GWB? You betcha, but events like today’s make us see those remarks in a somewhat different light, wouldn’t you say?
“events like today’s make us see those remarks in a somewhat different light, wouldn’t you say?”
No, and only someone mentally disturbed himself would suggest it.
People who can think instead of continuously whining know that there is no more relationship than there is between little lenin’s idiot remarks about stupid cops and violence against cops.
In other words, there is no relationship whatsever.
Pat yourself on the back somewhere else.
Like it or not, politics is about appearances.
Let me try to wrap my “mentally disturbed” mind around your reasoning: You assert that there is no more connection between posters here espousing violence and violence itself, than there is between Obama saying something that the Cambridge cops did was stupid, and violence against cops. For that “reasoning” to hold any water, I would had to have said that the people here who call lefties or politicians “stupid” were connected to violence against same.
Terrific logic, I must say.
if you must bring obama into this don’t forget to mention these quotes …”get in their faces”
…and “if they bring a knife then bring a gun”
and of course the classic ….”the enemy” when describing the majority of American citizens
….so IMHO the left has polarized life ..not just politics. That is one of their playbook methods to destroy the American society ..they brag about their tactics. nothing for a moral person to partake in.
I imagine we will see these slogans painted on the walls along the streets like in Cuba.
“The left has polarized life…” Absolutely true, but do you fail to see that often the right is even better at it from Bush I’s Willie Horton Ads to Karl Rove’s masterful dismantling of Kerry to almost anything coming from the mouths of Rush and Sean. On the left LBJ’s ad with the mushroom cloud against Goldwater was a definite low blow KO punch.
The way to man up in this environment, supposedly is to pick one side or the other and go full auto at everything that moves on the other side of the line. You don’t have to think much, just relax, take a half a deep breath and keep pulling the trigger. Fortunately, most are firing with mouses and keyboards; otherwise, just imagine the body count.
“…the small but significant number of people who comment on PJM and mutter about violence…”
Please do back this up with proof.
The only one (On this post) who treathens violence is the war-with-the-teaparty-Tom.
Not on this post, you can be sure of that, but on threads out there right now, you could find at least five, definitely ten. From here on I make a resolve to call these people out immediately. If we add those who say, “it is going to, or may take a Civil War,” then the number is at least twenty.
YOU have made the accusation…
Don’t tell ME I can find at least five…YOU find them and post them.
Go talk to your friend tom. He’s got something for you. But it’s not what you want.
So how will Obama use this to further his agenda?
http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/01/how-will-obama-use-the-shooting-of-giffords-to-further-his-agenda.html
Come after guns? Bloggers? Groups singled out by the DHS? Or those who oppose abortion and gay rights?
As I put all who are involved in this tragedy in my prayers,
I can only think that the actions of this administration has taken the US into the third world way of thinking.
Unfortunately this means that this will be more common place.
Furthermore, this will give this current administration the “need” to restrict more freedoms of “We the People”.
Stay strong in your faith. God bless.
Yeah, the left is really going to try to politicize this.
Stolen from someone else’s Facebook post:
“We know that silence equals consent when atrocities are committed against innocent men, women and children. We know that indifference equals complicity when bigotry, hatred and intolerance are allowed to take root. And we know that education and hope are the most effective ways to combat ignorance and despair.” ~ Gabrielle Giffords
Anybody remember “The Parallax View”? This moron started shooting “indiscriminately” per witnesses, and manages to wound a Rep of Congress and kill a Federal Judge? Sounds fishy to me.
It is unlikely that one man with a pistol could score
that many hits, and kills, in that little time;
A second shooter fits the data better.
So … one crosshairs down (or not, probably, thankfully):
http://radio.foxnews.com/2010/03/24/palin-puts-gun-sights-on-%E2%80%9Ctarget%E2%80%9D-map-urges-we-%E2%80%9Creload%E2%80%9D/
I’m looking forward to seeing how sarah palin wears this. She’d better have a good speech ready.
Palin’s “take back the 20″ site, which used the original image, is now off the air. The image was taken off the page a while ago. I’d say somebody’s “getting it” now.
How old are you?
You think like a pre-teenager.
Don’t you ever check your facts or are you just trying to stir up @h!t?
Have a look at this…
http://edc2.usgs.gov/pubslists/booklets/symbols/index.php
They are not cross hairs (I have never seen cross-hairs like that anyway) but Topographic Map Symbols.
Find the part where it says “Control data and monuments”
You are using projection…
Putting cross-hairs on people is what the left does…remember Bush?
Ha! You get an C for effort. But no, there’s nothing on that legend that looks even a bit like what’s on that map.
I wish I could post images so I could show folks what Andy was trying to get away with, there.
Meanwhile, if you can just show me where palin pointed out that these were standard map symbols, not cross-hairs, then I’ll upgrade you to a C+
“Putting cross-hairs on people is what the left does…remember Bush?”
A high profile, ex-VP candidate, party spokesperson from the left put a cross-hairs on bush? Where? Show me – I want to give them a piece of my mind …
Palin’s picture probably has nothing to do with this. But it’s an iron-clad example of why it’s NEVER a good idea to resort of violent imagery or rhetoric.
Meanwhile, I actually agree with most of the more sensible posters here – let’s wait and see.
Good Lord, is this what political discussion and debate in this nation has descended to? Arguing over symbols on a map, which symbols they are, and what the “real” meaning of those symbols is?
A woman has been shot, may still die, may not fully recover, and you twits (on both sides) are sitting here arguing about symbols on a map?
Get a little perspective, people!
If this is what political discourse has become, we are doomed as a society.
I couldn’t have said it better myself, CW.
Left wing projection…
http://nagarjunaa.blogspot.com/2010/04/death-threats-against-bush-at-protests.html
How sophomoric are the Left blaming Sarah Palin for something she did not conceived, did not plan, did not even conspire or pushed others to do. If you are thinking about the election target areas, with those little target marks. Hell, every politicians have done that in one way or the another. Gun sight or target marks for a politician are helpful for them and their supporters to know where they must concentrate their activities and financial support especially on districts which are identified to be important and can be turned or defended. Only a fool or a blind political zealot would think otherwise.
Second, what would Palin gain or even the Republican or the Tea party gain with the attempted assassination of Congress woman Gifford. Short answer none, long answer none. The Right even those in the hard core right will not go that extent knowing that the Obama administration and the MSM are just waiting for the opportunity to silence their political opponents forever.
As a resident of Tucson we are saddened and horrified at what happened today in our city and our thoughts and prayers go out to the families of all the victims (including our Congresswoman, Ms. Giffords).
However, the lefty haters are already out there with their hate mongering trying to score political points before the dust has even settled (or the dead have been buried) claiming that this is Sarah Palin’s fault or Glenn Beck’s fault or Rush Limbaugh’s fault …. First reports are that the gunman was more an anarchist and liked leftie favorites like the Communist Mannifesto (also books like Mein Kempf, etc.). A high school classmate claimed he was a pot headed leftie.
Even our air headed local sheriff seems to want to blame talk radio (like Clinton did after the Oklahoma City bombing years ago). Not many are talking about the recent Daily Kos blog article this past week where a blogger, angered at Gabrielle Giffords’ voting against Nancy Pelosi for Dem Congress leader, claimed she was “Dead to me” for her vote.
Nope, it had to be a “Tea Bagger”! So much hate on the left!
I’m not going to comment on the tragedy or the politics – that’s been done above, and should go without saying. MY gripe is that the reportage (all over the net) is concentrating entirely on this low-level and therefore unimportant congress member, and that little to no attention is being paid to the death of a CRUCIALLY important member of the federal bench. Truly, quality reporting is just about dead.
Leaving left and right out for a moment, the FACT is that a key level member of the federal bench has FAR more relevance to the the nation and it’s governance than a low-level congresswoman. I had to go to Wikipedia to find ANYTHING out about this guy. He’s had key rulings on fundamental issues like gun rights that have been upheld by the SCOTUS. THAT’S the real story here, not the “if it bleeds it leads” crap. What we (the media AND the public) are currently doing is indulging in one of our favorite past-times; public breast-beating. So, we get all the expected stories (and posts) about RIP and so forth, and no immediate attention paid to the things that are harder to express. Sorry to sound cold-blooded, but some things are important while others are merely sensational. Our media sucks, and since we don’t call them on it, apparently so do we.
and, to head off replies from those who will not see, I repeat that YES this is a horror, and all good wishes to the families. But just this once let’s not have 35 rallies and memorials, let’s just go to work tomorrow with our eyes on the ball. Anything else is just a distraction.
What I’ve heard reported is this Judge made a civil rights judgement a few years ago against an Arizona rancher for either abusing, detaining, or detaining and abusing some illegal immigrants who were tresspassing and/or vandalizing his property (allegedly). The judgement was for many millions of dollars (in favor of the illegals) and this apparently angered many folks. The judge at the time received death threats and he and his wife, temporarily, went under U.S. Marshall protection. Today, it seems, he just dropped by to say high to Ms. Giffords (who he apparently supported).
Ok – anyone got some tin foil? I can see someone who forgot his hat.
There is the very practical reason that all the people in Washington, beginning with Obama and Boehner know the Congresswoman very well, so she is the one about whom they can tell stories, show personal grief etc. The fact that she is female, that other members of her staff were killed and wounded, and that her husband is an astronaut all contribute.
In the next couple days, we will be hearing a lot more on the Judge.
How dare the left politicize this?
Low-level congresswoman? Huh?
Somebody just tried to (hopefully) murder a democratically-elected representative of the people.
But yes, one would expect to be hearing more about the other victims, absolutely.
Please lie down and play dead after you have been shot down with rectal lozenges.
The idea that insane people get “ideas” about killing people is fairly mad itself.
I’m sure many of us have read the books on the shooters favorite list and seen Costa Gavras “Z”, the assassination of George Bush video, “The Parallax View”, “The Manchurian Candidate” and a host of other films and not found them an imperative to go out and clock a politician.
It’s no surprise to me that liberals on the Left who are somewhat delusional as a default mode will see only what they want to see regarding this crime as their view of history and events is as divorced from reality as the vengeful “angry historians” who enacted 9/11. No word on the “happy historians” in Gaza who voted not to repeat a 9/11 because of American intervention in the Suez affair, the former Yugoslavia and Russian occupied Afghanistan, all in favor of muslims. I think a muslim proverb goes something like “history smishistory, let smash something”.
What other philosophy other than the Orwellian Left could embrace the idea of the invasion of Gaza as a “massacre” and also embrace Noah Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein as “intellectuals” who cannot wrap their giant minds around 8,000 rockets flying out of Gaza from 2001-2008?
Thinking similarly, one could see a Federal and decontextualized occupation of the South after the Civil War as an apartheid event and the South as an “occupied territory” and terrorist former slave owners as “freedom fighters”.
Sarah Palin will get lit up for this one as will Fox while 8 million photos of Bush with a Hitler mustache and videos re-enacting his fake assassination will mysteriously find themselves in the same Leftist “intellectual” black hole as 8,000 Hamas rockets.
It didn’t take long, did it? The news of the gunman’s arrest hadn’t even made the wires and already there were shrieks of right wing hatred, Glen Beck/Fox/Palin/Limbaugh vilification and the attempt to smear this awful incident on them.
They don’t realize that we remember this kind of talk. And the next time they have anything serious to say, we’ll recall this rant, and realize that despite all this pious talk of civility, they’re at least as bad as those the demonize.
Got a quote from a former girlfriend of his describing his politics as liberal, or hard left.
No matter what the press says, its THIER side thats full of political violence
Who was the broad that shot(at)Pres. Ford?
Left wing lesbian.
The gut that shot Gov. Wallace?
Angry at his “racist” past
Squeaky Fromme?
Not exactly a conservative christian.
Sirhan Sirhan?
Muslim terrorist
Oswald?
Full-on commie
Who stormed the capital with guns blazing?
Leftist P.R. nationalists
and the beat goes on
“Got a quote from a former girlfriend of his describing his politics as liberal, or hard left.”
I don’t see “hard left” anywhere in the original quote. And I don’t see where anyone’s saying she’s a girlfriend, ex or otherwise. She’s somebody he knew at school. Not exactly a slam dunk.
“No matter what the press says, its THIER side thats full of political violence”
Yeah, lots of people turned up at democrat rallies with assault rifles.
“Who was the broad that shot(at)Pres. Ford? Left wing lesbian.”
Lesbian? Which one? Sara jane moore?
“The gut that shot Gov. Wallace? Angry at his “racist” past”
Actually, he just did it to get famous and impress the chicks – same as hinckley
“Squeaky Fromme? Not exactly a conservative christian.”
No, but she WAS a manson groupie. I’d suggest she wasn’t entirely sane. And is this the “lesbian” who (sort of) shot at ford?
“Sirhan Sirhan? Muslim terrorist”
This is my favorite. Muslim. You didn’t even bother to google it, did you?
“Oswald? Full-on commie”
Agreed. You got that one 100% right. His missus was a hottie though (I had second thoughts about whether to post that – I think she might still be alive).
“Who stormed the capital with guns blazing? Leftist P.R. nationalists”
I’m sorry, but I’m actually not sure what you’re talking about there. Are you sure you don’t mean canadians?
“Are you sure you don’t mean canadians?”
He means this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol_shooting_incident_(1954)
With all that whacko’s “reading”, you’d think he knew the difference between “ratifications” and “ramifications” !
Apparently nut…
James May
Sarah Palin will get lit up, that’s the good news, the bad news is that the Left like Kos, Krugman, Sullivan and others will entice somebody or groups to avenge Gifford by assassinating Palin and murdering her family and do the same thing to Bachmann, Beck, Rush, Malkin and others. I will be surprise if Sarah or any prominent Conservatives will be around to see 2012 without an attempt done to end their lives.
“I will be surprise if Sarah or any prominent Conservatives will be around to see 2012 without an attempt done to end their lives”
I just want to be the first to say … get a grip.
Matthew
I have a tight grip concerning my mental faculties, thank you. But I am not so sure about the likes of Paul Krugman , Kos and others of the Far Left and the MSM laying the blame of this tragedy at the feet of Palin, Fox News , Beck and Limbaugh. Sooner or later, some nut job will fulfill someone’s wish and murder Palin and others and I have no doubt that somebody from the Left will say that they deserve it . That lunatic that killed 5 and wounded 12 did not need much encouragement to kill a political figure, the next lunatic will have enough encouragement because people like you try to pretend that politics of personal destruction and assassination only applies to the Right ignoring the fact that it was originated and perfected by the Left.
Politics of personal destruction was never even funny when it was bloodless, it becomes a tragedy when lives are lost because unstable people starts to believe that it’s better to kill the person rather than debate the idea or ideology of the latter.
I went to “BoingBoing”, usually a reliably silly site, but the first item is “Look at Palin’s election site, it had GUN TARGETS, one of them aimed at Arizona!” Then, one of my California relatives notes, on FaceBook, a link to an MSNBC story on how Gifford, as well as others have been ‘targetted’ for their support for Obamacare…
First, this is shameful and grotesque, to make political stew out of this tragedy.
In my opinion, the young killer, from the evidence of his own website, was well into schizophrenic delusion. His age, 22 yrs, is when that particular disease strikes.
heathermc
The problem with people with mental illness is that most of them are benign until a psychological or physical trigger makes them commit criminal acts and they are highly dangerous especially when they are placed in a corner. The man who was arrested had enough warning signs that screams psych consult and admission to the nearest mental health facility but due to various reasons, was never offered or obtain insufficient help.
The deed is done, let us not make this tragedy even worse by implying that other people was responsible for making him do it and have other lunatics or even worse, clear minded assassins to try to even up the score or pull ahead.
If they’re a “nut job” then it’ll have nothing to do with Krugman or the Kos.
Oh, by the way, according to the AP, the shooter was not–I say again, was not–a member of the US armed forces:
Sorry, lefties, no “soldier going off the deep end” story here today.
First, martial law to confiscate all guns.
Then put all right wing talk show hosts and Fox news personalities on trial for murder.
Then revise all school curricula so that these right-wing haters are universally reviled.
Then revoke all legislative rights for all Rethuglican legislators in the entire country.
Then initiate re-education camps for anyone who ever votes for another Rethuglican again.
Tell me this is sarcasm and you’re not really this stupid.
Did the Chicagoland’s St. Valentine Day come early this year?
Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone, too?
Was BHO on the air as fast as he was after the Ft. Hood massacre?
Exactly, who’s benefiting from this?
Just a few questions that come to mind.
Which brings another two to mind:
Did the Seattle shooter kill Huckabee’s chances?
Is this how the road to the abyss of the Third World looks like?
Did violence also followed “Constitutional” (!) elections in Kenya?
Well, this Sheriff Dupnik sure knows how to bring the community together and not engage in any innapropriate rhetoric or anything:
“When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And unfortunately, Arizona I think has become the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry.”
You don’t have to guess what he thinks about tea parties or Arizona’s immigration law from a statement like this, made on a day when 5 people — including a nine year old girl, for goodness sakes — were murdered in his town.
It’s one thing when the usual trolls do their best Edward G. Robinson in “Double Indemnity” (“I tell ya, it all fits like a watch!”), connecting the dots, er, “crosshairs” (per Matthew above) and tie it all in with Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh or whomever — but the chief local law enforcement officer on the scene saying similar things is highly irresponsible, though sadly not surprising in the least.
Rep. Giffords is in my prayers and I hope that she recovers from this senseless attack.
I’m hopeful that most American’s would share the emotion of empathy towards all the victims and their families.
That said, I’m not surprised…or won’t be surprised if there is not more of this kind of retaliation coming in the future. The *radicals* of both sides…primarily the various media/opinion mediums…have done a great job of awakening the *dark* emotions of folks and little to awaken the intellect and alternatives to violence. I would have thought that most of todays politically active generations would have studied the lessons learned by the communist/socialist/anarchists radicals of the 60′s and 70′s, that violence was an self defeating obstacle to their cause(s).
Disclaimer: This is one political site that does a great job of attracting folks with a greater level of intellectual discourse as opposed to so many other sites.
You said:
“I would have thought that most of todays politically active generations would have studied the lessons learned by the communist/socialist/anarchists radicals of the 60′s and 70′s, that violence was an self defeating obstacle to their cause(s).”
I’m not quite sure that’s what the left has learned from these actions back then; in fact, quite the opposite: see where it has led them now, to hold power at the highest levels, even at the WH.
Almost all of the leftists in power in Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Bolivia etc were members of violent radical groups during the 1960-80 period.
Some former Weathermen underground, and SDS members, are now members of the US ruling class (Professors in prestigeous Universities, like B. Dorn and B. Ayers, and associates of the current President – check out some of his czars too).
Thus, it seems that contrary to your view/wish, that’s not what these people must have learned.
Gabrielle Giffords calls herself a “Blue Dog” democrat because she represents a state that is nearly all red except for part of her district (8) and the one next to it (7) and couldn’t win if she ran as a proud liberal. Republicans nearly swept the entire state this past election. She squeaked out relection because Republicans put a lot of money in trying to beat her (at the ballot box). This Palin add the libs are yapping about appeared during the election and was part of the overall strategy (that predominantly succeeded) to especially target Democrats who voted with Pelosi nearly all of the time who represent conservative leaning districts. Now the libs are yapping that it’s all Palin’s fault (and “Tea Baggers”, Glenn Beck’s, etc.). I don’t remember hearing libs complaining when libs held up all those pictures / protest signs of Bush with a Hitler mustache a few years back or when libs directed movies and authored novels imagining the assasination of Bush. Nope, that was just humor and free speach. Remember when after Oklahoma City bombing the first thing President Clinton did (like libs are doing now) was blame a conservative (Bill blamed Rush Limbaugh).
His political opinions – Left or Right – have no more to do with this than his choice of toothpaste. He’s a lunatic, first and foremost. I’ve got a post at http://www.granitesentry.com. Love to hear anybody else’s views.
“And exactly, how many lunatics participated in the French revolution?” one could ask of Robespierre, Marat, and De Sade.
The current regime also claimed that the Ft. Hood terrorist was a “mental case” too.
I think we know of at least one other case where a left wing crazed “lone gunman” killed a prominent politician, only to have the left rewrite history to make the Marxist-Leninist left wing gunman into a right winger taking action for big business interests.
Oliver Stone made a lot of money selling that story and a lot of people bought it. It fits the narrative. I suspect the same will happen here, even though the truth of it is quite a bit different.
I sense that there will be a media blackout in the coming days, just as there was after the Fort Hood shootings (which I am convinced were carried out by more than one assailant). Remember how the early reports of this incident spoke of a second gunman who fled the scene? We’re not hearing any more about him, are we? Things are not as they seem.
Strange things are happening to the comments section here on this topic. I got in here via Instapundit this last time. Many other ways in seem blocked.
My fellow Americans,
That’s how things look like when a social system is destabilized by putting in the Ovan Office someone who’s radical and with strong anti-American, Third World connections.
Falling off a cliff isn’t pretty, and that’s what has happened to our country.
God save us all.
“Oval” not “Ovan”
Mayhem in Tucson I: Liberals Attack, Conservatives Pray
Before the dust had settled in the Tucson, Arizona parking lot, the professional leftists were hard at work trying to pin responsibility for the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords on everyone from the Tea Party to Sarah Palan to defenders of the Second Amendment to anyone who even vaguely supported conservative principles.
Giffords was severely wounded by a pistol shot through the brain. U.S. District Court Judge John Roll and five others, including a 9 year old girl, Christina Taylor Green, were senselessly murdered and 12 others were injured in the mayhem, allegedly by 22 year old Jared Loughner.
Americans’ prayers should go out to the families of the dead and for the prompt recovery of the wounded, including Rep. Giffords who initially was believed to have died in the shootings and now seems to have a fighting chance to survive.
Leftists aren’t much into prayer or anything else positive and, as in the aftermath of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing which they ignorantly blamed on Rush Limbaugh, all but literally fell all over themselves to get, not to their knees but to their keyboards to launch anticipated but nevertheless despicable attacks.
An Arizona blogger on DailyKos.com had perhaps presciently commented on that notoriously liberal website two days earlier that his congresswoman, Giffords, was “dead to me.” Her crime? He had worked tirelessly for his “Gabby” in the past but she died to him because he discovered she must be a conservative Democrat since she had voted against Nancy Pelosi for House Minority Leader.
DailyKos quickly took down “BoyBlue’s” death notice following the shootings: http://tiny.cc/votv2
Leftists may not be into prayer but they’re expert at blind recrimination.
Highly acclaimed economist, Paul Krugman, long deceived, like Al Gore, into believing that if he gets a Nobel Prize he’s not still a nitwit, is the left wing’s star when it comes to cockeyed societal observations. He lived up to that rep even as the Tucson scene was still being cleaned up because, of course, he had it all figured out. . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=3359)
Well put! After a tragedy like the one we were part of yesterday here in Tucson conservatives pray for the victims / survivors and wait to search to find out why the perpetrator did such a horrendous and destructive act while liberals race for their keyboards to strategize on how to capitalize on this tragedy to further their agendas and destroy conservatives.
Well, in 2008 this fellow was 20, and thus eligible to vote. What party was he registered with back then, and whom did he vote for? Will we ever get to know?
How interesting to read all these comments. It seems that many have decided to conjure up their own version of evil according to their political leanings. Each sees this monster through political eyes according to their beliefs. A lot of group therapy needed here.
Once again during a major news event Fox and CNN can’t simply report on the NEWS. Can’t they remain calm Why are we subjected to their sermons and ramblings? Making comments such as “will this cause the Republicans to stop the repeal of the Obama care?” and “this will certainly impact how the Republicans and Democrats get along going forward.” The constant commenting on whether or not this guy was a Sarah Palin “follower” is outrageous. The alleged shooter in all probability has mental issues, so quit trying “to help us all make sense of this.” Report the story and quit trying to generate controversy.
40 years ago, major news network would report what happened and leave the analysis later when they have more information . Now it’s news and analysis first, facts be damned. Ratings are more important than accuracy, being first is better than being thorough and the question that they are trying to make sense of this tragedy is farcical at the very least and supreme arrogance at worse.
Susan
Well, what do you expect, when the media had already cast judgment that Sarah Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, the Republicans and Tea party are already guilty of the deed even before the victims had been stabilized. Group therapy is idiotic when everybody in the media are now in hysterics and blabbing stupidly about the episode.
I was around 40 years ago, and in fact I was around 50 years ago, November 1963 to be exact, and of course in April 1968 and June 1968, April 1993, April 1995, and November 2009; and I don’t remember the press being more “noble” or “professional” than today.
Before everyone rushes to dismissing this individual(s) actions as those of a “nut case” just heed your own advice and wait till all facts are out and the dust has settled. Keep asking who benefits from all this, and who pays the costs.
Liberals always preyed on conservatives’ magnanimity, decency and moral code. And now we see the results.
Old Tymer
They might not be perfect,but compared to the present group. No contest. Here is the thing, it does not benefit anybody in the long run, but it sure benefits the Left in the short term to their everlasting regret. The cost will be lives as some idiots from the Left try to even or run the score up to make a point.
The problem of the Left is this, you cannot expect the conservatives to be magnanimous, decent and keep their moral code while you try to destroy them . Sooner or later, they will decide to play the Left’s game and they will do it much better, more ruthlessly and more efficiently and the left will have itself to blame.
Precisely, Wiil. Moreover, I don’t care much any longer as to who is the left going to blame.
Will, I agree with you whole heartedly and should add that these idiots should have a front row seat in the therapy session.
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