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How Would the Male Pill Change Things?

March 18th, 2014 - 8:58 am

Hans Solo over at JustFourGuys blog explores how the male pill will change the reproductive rights of men:

Let’s imagine what life would be like with a male “pill”:
Men will only become fathers if they choose to.
Gold digging whores will lapse into depression as they fuck rich men over and over to no avail–the child-support lottery will be closed.
Men will laugh in the face of women when they’re caught red-handed poking holes in the condom. Agree and amplify: ”Here, use these” as you hand her a pair of scissors.
Putting all young males on this would do away with most unwanted teen pregnancies.
Fewer unintended pregnancies…and fewer intended abortions.
Statutory female rapists would no longer get child support from their younger male victims because they wouldn’t have gotten pregnant in the first place.

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If there were such a pill, sexually transmitted diseases would explode.

25 weeks ago
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It already exploded once.
23 weeks ago
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The male pill will "depoliticize" abortion far more effectively than reversing Roe Vs. Wade. If the pro-life people are serious about ending abortion, they ought to "crowdfund" or support the development of the male pill by other means.

There is a larger point to be made here. There are usually two solutions to any particular issue. The technological solution and the political solution. Technological solutions are usually superior to political solutions because the former is positive-sum whereas the latter is zero-sum. It is a tautology to say that positive-sum solutions are superior to zero-sum solutions.
25 weeks ago
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If the pro-life people are serious about ending abortion, they ought to "crowdfund" or support ABSTINENCE.

Oh wait. They already do.

Abelard, you soooo funny.
25 weeks ago
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Good grief. There is no such thing as a male pill. I really don't believe that such a pill or gell or whatever is even possible to produce. Even if it were, the female pill isn't 100% effective. Tubal ligation isn't 100% effective. My cousin proved that forty years ago.

This whole agrument is ridiculous, because it misses the point. The problem is with the law. Unless you discuss changing the law, you're not discussing anything other than some imaginary drug.

It's so stupid as to be beyond belief.
26 weeks ago
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Things that come to mind:
- there'll be a shift in sex 'market', fewer possibilities to monetize mean fewer willing to engage
- women would want to know/test/check on whether the man is on a pill or not, and will make decisions based on that
- countermeasures and/or sabotage will intensify
- it would still be possible to make the husband pay for a child that is not his, thus this will intensify
- probably we'll see lawsuits from wives to husbands demanding sperm deposits, claiming withholding as a form of abuse
- also lawsuits for 'psychological damage' caused by the pill application (biological clock and stuff)
- and, possibly, complete prohibition of the pill as a form of patriarchy, women abuse etc. or require wife's sanction for the usage.
26 weeks ago
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You can't change biology. You can change the law. The problem here is not with biology, it's with the law.

My first degree was in biology, and yes I understand the science. I taught it.

So your understanding is based on what some stupid article you read on the internet about some pill or gell made in India? It's a joke.

You want to have sex and not get pregnant? The only way for a man to do that is to have an operation that cuts and ties his vas deferens. Same with a woman. She wants to have sex and not get pregnant? She can have an operation that cuts and ties her falopian tubes.

I have a cousin who did that. She had a tubal ligation after she had four children. Problem is, she still got pregnant. The doctors, the scientists, the experts all said it was impossible. She said, tell it to God. The University of Houston did an entire medical case study on her. That was in the 70s.

Suppose this imaginary male pill or gell or whatever exists. What are the side effects? Permanent infertility? Trouble sleeping, bad dreams?

This is ridiculous. It's beyond ridiculous. I don't believe that such a drug exists. But even if it does, it doesn't change the law. The real problem here is with the law. Some imaginary pill or gell is not going to change that.

Instead of discussing the real issue, which is the law, you people imagine there's some magical mystery medical solution to the the problem. What idiots you are.

I sell real estate. I have to know the law in order to do that. Some guy comes into the office and wants to buy or sell a house. Is he married? That matters, it matters a lot. Even if he's separated and in the middle of a divorce, he cannot buy or sell a house without his wife's signature. That's the law.

I'm in the business of selling real estate. It's not a salaried position. I only get paid if I can make a deal, and I only get paid after closing. This is the reality that I live in.

Some guy comes into the office with his girlfriend and their kids, and wants to buy a house. He's in the middle of a divorce. Um, he can't buy or sell a house without his wife's signature. I have to advise him of that fact.

What if she doesn't sign the contract? Did he have a former live-in lover? What if she just walked out, went down to the courthouse and filed for common law, okay informal, marriage, within two years? Then things get very complicated.

I want to sell the house. I want to close the deal, otherwise I don't get paid. But if there are marital issues involved--it doesn't matter if it's some girl that shows up from out of nowhere and claims informal mairrage--I cannot make the sale or close the deal. The title company won't allow it.

And you people think some imaginary male pill is going to change that? Tubal ligation didn't work for my cousin, birth control pills don't work for most women, condoms breack, so you're left with what? Responsibility.

The problem here is with the law, not with biology. Get a grip, if you want to comment on it.

26 weeks ago
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So. Why are you so hostile to even the idea of a male pill?
25 weeks ago
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Birth control pills do work most of the time--if the woman takes them properly. Often the women forget because they really do want a baby, for whatever reason.
25 weeks ago
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Among married couples, birth control pills are almost as effective as modern no-drug, no barrier natural family planning.

Among unmarried couples, birth control pills are about as effective as the withdrawl method.
25 weeks ago
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So if there's a 5% risk with a female pill, then there would be a 5% X 5% risk with the male pill. That would be a .25% risk.
23 weeks ago
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I don't believe a male pill is even possible to produce. What's it going to do, stop sperm production? I don't think so. Neuter all the sperm cells so they cannot fertilize an egg cell? I don't think so.

The whole idea is beyond ridiculous. There is no such thing as a male pill, and there never will be. It's not possible to produce one.

Besides, this article is ludicrous on its face. The argument is farcical. The writer complains about issues with the law, but his solution to the problem is some imaginary pill that will never exist? Get real.

Instead of talking about some imaginary male pill, talk about changing the law. Change presumptive paternity to determinative paternity--the biological father is required to pay child support after a paternity test. Change no fault divorce to just cause divorce. There are legimitate reasons for a woman to file for divorce--and most divorces are filed by women--any form of emotional or physical abuse, financial irresponsibity, but simply changing her mind shouldn't be one of them. She married him, and so she has to live with him. She has to sleep in the bed she made.

This guy is an idiot. Talking about some imaginary pill instead of talking about changing the law.

Hey, boys, let's be adults here. Sperm is money. Be careful where you deposit it.

You want to be married? Do you even understand the terms and conditions of the contract? She does. Oh, believe me, she does. She knows perfectly well that once she has that ring on her finger, she can pretty much do whatever she wants. She can get pregnant by anyone she wants, and you'll have to pay child support. And she can walk out at any time, for any reason, for no reason, and take half of everything, including the house.

An imaginary pill is not going to change that. There can be no men's rights movement that doesn't involve changing the law. Otherwise, it's not a men's rights movement, it's just complaining about the law. Change the law, or STF up. Dreaming about an imaginary pill won't solve anything.
26 weeks ago
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If you dont know the science, why bother commenting on it at all? Its unbelievable the level of arrogance one has to have to go on a whole rant based entirely on their land of understanding. Newsflash: its already here. The successful testing in India from a decade-long experiment is what spurred the original article. Both the gel injections and the pills are successful and now its just a means of doing enough trials to work out every single side effect to cover liability.

You mention mens rights movement. Whats the point? Scientists have accomplished what the MRM never could - full reproductive rights for men. Theres no need to worry about child support if there are no children. And divorce courts are irrelevant if there is no marriage. Im assuming your whole rant is because of the embarrassing lack of results by "mens rights advocates" around the world. Never fear! Foreign pharmaceutical researches have done your job for you. Women who want to be mothers now either need to find a man actually willing to support it or get a sperm bank. Either way, its the end of single mothers abusing welfare which will obviously have deleterious effects on the DNC. The "mens rights advocates" now can go find some other cause to devote themselves. It couldnt happen to soon, considering how ridiculous it was when they actually made circumcision an issue.
26 weeks ago
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Yup, he says it with such confidence that some people are going to believe him.

I can't fathom how you can be so confident about something you have no understanding of at all. Similar to his "legal advice".

I do think MRAs have legitimate issues, though. It wouldn't hurt men to get better insight into how women really tick. Most men are the equivalent of wide-eyed, chivalrous lambs when it comes to women, but they only get sheared when they start earning good money.
26 weeks ago
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"Putting all young males on this would do away with most unwanted teen pregnancies."

I seriously doubt it. Do you know what percentage of abortions (according to Planned Parenthood) are the result of lack of access to birth control? Close to zero. Sure, there are girls who get pregnant on purpose, but for the most part, unintended pregnancies are not prevented because teens blow off birth control "in the moment" because denial is a very strong human defense mechanism.

You can lead a teen to birth control but you cannot make them think...
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