Mark Perry: “Is this legal? No men are allowed in MSU’s Women’s Lounge” (via Newsalert).
There’s some precedent for having women’s only spaces, even on private property, and apart from rest rooms (like women’s-only pool times, women’s only gyms or gym-times and so on), unfortunately. I think having a space that isn’t a rest room or locker room be completely off-limits to one sex is pushing the envelope, but in the current climate I doubt it would be ruled to be inconsistent with law (while the reverse almost certainly would be).
There was a bit of a stir a few years ago when some hotels were thinking about establishing women-only floors with women-only lounges in them. Most of the bigger hotel chains declined to do so, both due to the expense and the negative pub it would cause male business travelers (of whom there are still many), but I wouldn’t be surprised to see this thing come up increasingly in the years ahead as women become their own elite class and want to be segregated from the male underclass.
Michigan State University isn’t private property. It’s state property.
Back in the day, there were co-educational colleges and single sex colleges. Most of the men’s only colleges made the transition to co-ed, often under the threat of legal action. Oh, no! Can’t have that! Meanwhile, women’s only colleges continue without threat of legal action. While single-sex colleges may seem an anachronism, if they fill a market need, what’s the harm? Apparently, there’s harm if it is male-only. Why? Because shut up. The same rule applies for male-only clubs, and for the same reason.
Yes, MSU is state property, but the point is that there is precedent already for female-only spaces involving public property already. It’s silly and one-sided, but the precedent is there. I doubt a court would rule that a women’s lounge at MSU is illegal, to be honest.
While I share your doubt that a court would rule against women-only facilities in public colleges, it doesn’t square with their rulings against male-only facilities, be they on public or private property. Orwell’s “Animal Farm” and all that. If it weren’t for double standards, they’d have no standards at all.
I’m with you, Larry. One thing that frustrates me is that the government as a whole — local, state, federal, all branches — implements and enforces whatever it wants, even when the cited law plainly states otherwise. The last sentence of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, upon which Title IX is supposedly based, reads: “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” I see nothing in that wording that makes excpetions for any group, and yet the governments have passed and enforce numerous laws, regulations, and policies under which different groups of citizens are assigned unequal status. “…nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” I don’t know how it can be any plainer than that, and yet the government system as a whole has repeatedly held that that sentence does not actually mean what it clearly says.
There is also a precedent for male only spaces; where are those spaces now? They were removed by the iron fist of the national government. The same laws can be used against this Women’s Lounge except the “second set of law books” prevents it.
The scales of Justice are to be balanced. What is sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose.
You’re white-knighting on behalf of the feminists. Take the red pill.
I have some blandly, generic input on this: Both sexes need places where they can go to have time without the opposite sex. Women’s spaces are great, so long as men can have their own spaces.
Fair’s fair… rules apply to everyone or they mean nothing.
Yes, it’s legal, because we live in a female supremacist society where men aren’t allowed any kind of solidarity.
Note it is a standard tactic of tyrants to establish exclusive clubs for themselves while outlawing organizations of people they seek to disenfranchise.
I’m fine with it, so long as men are allowed to have a similar lounge of their own. Men-only lounges used to exist and rather flourished, because it was a place where men could smoke, drink, read quietly and discuss whatever topic they wanted as long as they were civil to one another. Women destroyed them with their “equality” BS, however it was only a matter of time until they started clamoring for exclusive lounges their own. Problem is, a women’s-only lounge would implode rather quickly and a men’s-only would blossom,and Feminists can’t have that.
BTW, while typing this I got a red squiggly line under men’s-only, but not women’s-only. What does that tell you?
There seems to be a female urge to enter into any and all male-only spaces, while men on the other hand are usually content to leave women alone. Thus the current situation of male-only spaces being all but illegal, while women-only spaces are still protected.
totalitarianism for males, privilege for females
yup sounds like a fine Equalitarian society to me!
may i have some more Equality please, ma’am?
“I wouldn’t be surprised to see this thing come up increasingly in the years ahead as women become their own elite class and want to be segregated from the male underclass.”
that’s the inevitable (and largely desired) end-point for all this tyranny and gulag-selfishness
and after they’ve completed forcing the males (except for their enforcers) into the underclass, we’ll see more m.s.m. articles on how men are “lazy” and “shiftless” and “useless manboys” and thus deserve their endless whuppins
a sick and sinister land
Of course it’s legal. It’s not like it’s a men’s lounge or something like that.
Of course… Women, good; men, bad! (At least, that’s what left/liberals tell me.)
Female only spaces are a positive thing, if anything it disavows equalist propaganda and will help foster male only spaces. Libertarians should be all for women’s lounges, as it will become untenable to disallow male only spaces.
I know I’d be very happy to see my wife, sister or mother in female only spaces.
“and will help foster male only spaces”
When you locate all the men’s centers at universities, let us know…..
When you try to set up a men’s-only club and feminists try to hang you for it, come back and let’s discuss.
Hey, if MSU wants to give some rapist a convenient location to find a bunch of women with no men around to protect them, what business is it of ours? Especially if it’s a gun-free zone too.
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