How should Men “Go Galt” in a female-centered society?
I have spent part of the day doing research for my book including reading a fairly biased book by the name of Guyland: The Perilous World Where Boys Become Men by Michael Kimmel. In it, like so many other supposedly “pro-male” development books, he makes guys out to be a bunch of commitment phobic, extended adolescent types who are a pack of homophobic losers who prey on women. Good grief, it’s no wonder no men buy these types of books. I’m already feeling disgustingly denigrated by this Uncle Tim author and I’m not even male. I have spent the week talking with experts and others about how men can fight back against the backlash and misandry that is so rampant in our culture and many have given me good suggestions for my book. However, one way of fighting back is “going Galt,” that is–going on strike–against the system and individuals who are causing the problem.
Some men don’t marry, others don’t go to college, some work low-paying jobs and enjoy hobbies to keep from paying into a system that transfers men’s taxes to women through federal and state programs.
My question to male readers is, what are your suggestions on how to “Go Galt” as a man in a female-centered society? Do you think this route is a viable one to making a change in society or is it just good for a man on an individual level, or is it a poor way to fight back in your opinion?
It’s obvious, we have to bring back the patriarchy. Should be easy as pie.
Some words are, and are intended to be, misleading just by their existence. “Patriarchy” is fine, but there is not and has never been anything other than male-dominated society in the mammalian world (except hyenas, if you want to go that way). So, what is the purpose of the word “patriarchy’? Anyhow, in every human society, whatever men do (it isn’t always important what it is) is high-status. Whatever women do is low-status. Doesn’t matter if one day everybody wakes up and trades jobs — men’s work will still be high-status. Don’t think about Ayn Rand, an extremely foreign woman to Western Civilization and a nuclear-powered bitch. Man is a social animal. Men live in societies. Societies are dominance-hierarchies. Dominance is a zero-sum game. That’s why there has also never been, and by definition can never be, a muli-anything society. Every society has one set of rules, governing the behavior of all members. Throughout human/animal history, to be expelled from your society was a death sentence, no insignificant occurrence. Libertarians today are fortunate to live in the last gasp of Christendom/Western Civilization. Over most of recorded history, their main contribution to humanity would have been in tree-decoration. Just as an untended garden is soon overgrown with weeds, a collapsing society doesn’t hang around, but is displaced by a healthy society which dominates and then obliterates the old one.
“‘Patriarchy’ is fine, but there is not and has never been anything other than male-dominated society in the mammalian world (except hyenas, if you want to go that way).”
Huh?!?! If you actually believe that, you badly need to read something about evolutionary psychology. “The Evolution of Desire” by David Buss would be an excellent place to start.
Evolutionary psychology is going to go the way of astrology, alchemy, and other nonsense. It just happens to be the fad of today’s intellectuals.
Ah yes, evolutionary psychology. The hardest of the hard sciences.
Phillip Longman had a similar idea.
Key quote: “Patriarchy does not simply mean that men rule. Indeed, it is a particular value system that not only requires men to marry but to marry a woman of proper station. It competes with many other male visions of the good life, and for that reason alone is prone to come in cycles. Yet before it degenerates, it is a cultural regime that serves to keep birthrates high among the affluent, while also maximizing parents’ investments in their children. No advanced civilization has yet learned how to endure without it.”
Two words:
Sugar
Mama
Men opposed to misandry will never be able to convince wider society. The worst most anti-male laws are passed by men.
Simply go your own way. Do not become an employee; become a business owner. Do not waste your money on college; get four years of work experience.
Yes, HR departments will pass you over because you’re a man and you lack a degree. So don’t even apply. Make your own job.
Manliness consists of doing things your way, on your time. The best way to go Galt is to be a man among men.
The warrior man is independent, works for himself, creates and adjusts as things shift around him – He has situational awareness. Women, metro-effeminate-men, and society may protest – But, they all want real men. We may become an extreme minority but we will always exist and in the end will prevail. Real men desire one thing – independence and freedom. What”s your portfolio? Mine – Five kids (three are entreprenuers and one special ops NCO); I’ve started eight businesses – employing hundreds, including a foreign business, fluent in Spanish, started two schools in two Central American countries (working on three and four). Two college degrees B.S. and an M.A.and yeah, 30 years working in my own deals I’ve never used them. In war you need a Patton, a Sherman, a Grant. Real men will come in handy in a decade or two when the planet becomes very….Let me say interesting. America will be fine against 8 billion Lilliputians in 2025. So long as we have 20,000 real men and a few Pattons and/or a Curtis Lemay or two
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I agree with you but don’t think Grant ranks with Sherman and Patton.
No more than Montgomery ranks with Rommel or Guderian
That’s because Grant actually ranks above Sherman & Patton. The cult of Robert E. Lee has obscured Grants greatness, but his contemporaries knew it.
Abraham Lincoln, another self-made man would disagree with you on that.
Lincoln rightly had a very high opinion of Grant. He said, I cant spare this man, he fights. And when told he drank too much he suggested his other generals get the same brand of whiskey, so they could fight as well. Grant won every battle he fought, including when he went up against the supposedly invincable Lee, a pretty good measure of greatness. Same for Sherman. Lee on the other hand lost bad against the relatively mediochre Meade, and also didn’t do well against McClellen at Antietam. I do give Lee some credit for often winning batles when outnumbered, which is not easy. But in many of those he faced union generals that were real boobs, while his own troops and sub commanders were vastly superior. He didn’t accomplish much when he faced the A team, Grant.
@Richard40 – Try actually knowing some CW History. Grant was the first general who understood industrial warfare and with the necessary political backing from Lincoln was willing to withstand the “bloody arithmetic” of grinding the Confederacy beneath the weight of US resources and manpower. Grant’s Overland Campaign planted a thousand men a mile from the Rapidan to the James. He didn’t get his nickname of “Butcher Grant” from butchering Confederates. The Wilderness and Spotsylvania were at best tactical draws against a numerically much inferior army. Earlier US commanders would have backed the AOTP away after both battles and re-organized and re-equipped; Grant pressed on and threw more and more garrison troops, raw recruits, and ultimately USCT into the grinder. Cold Harbor was a decisive defeat for Grant and even with the vastly superior logistics of the AOTP, CS forces still blocked the US before Petersburg and forced a brutal ten month stalemate around Petersburg. 147 years ago last Thursday, John Brown Gordon surrendered a little over 28K men, the mortal remains of the Army of Northern Virginia, which had finally run out of men, material, and time against the vastly superior demographic and material resources of the US.
I don’t denigrate Grant as a commander; he understood his Nation, his Nation’s need, and his political resources, but history might well have been written very differently had John Bell Hood not shattered his army around Atlanta and rather continued the slow, grinding attrition and trading territory for time in North Georgia. When Georgia Governor Joe Brown prevailed upon President Davis to replace Johnson with the more agressive Hood, he sealed the fate of the Confederacy. Sherman’s victory over Hood and his turning of the CS flank by taking Atlanta placed his army in Lee’s rear with very little between Sherman and Lee except poorly defended farmland. Sherman took his walk to the sea primarily to demonstrate both to the war weary North and to the CS authorities how defenseless the Confederate homeland was. Had Sherman not managed his victory at Atlanta, the very war weary and casualty-shattered North might very well have replaced Lincoln in November of ’64. Instead, they re-elected Lincoln and cheered Sherman’s exploits, which after Atlanta were of little military value but of tremendous morale value.
Lilliputians? My, my. It’s one thing to be ridiculously PC, it’s another to have a quite unjustifiably inflated view of yourself and your countrymen. Considering that America has just handed that clown telepromter-reader of yours another term, despite his first one being a massive failure, I’d recommend you take out your yardstick and measure the stature of your average countryman once again. The Great Generation is long gone, friend. Your average American today is a midget and shows no sign of ever intending to rise again to past heights.
I’ve never married and as I have gotten older, I could care less about the subtle chastisements of women – or any other part of society, but I notice it’s mostly women who exercise value judgments about the employment value of men.
That’s basically it. Everything else falls into place: I bumbled around in school for a long time, and I’ve got a good career now (over 15 years) as an attorney working solely for myself.
I try to make fun of chivalrous men and housewives who expect the ultimate in responsibility and money-making from men (but not from themselves = hypocrites) as much as I can, but I just don’t have the time for it anymore.
I enjoy my work (and it took me a LONG time to get there, I hated most of the jobs I had when I was young), I make good money and I don’t have to pay over any of it to some woman. Life’s not all that bad.
Just don’t get sick or old.
Perfect! Exactly! Right, Annie? You better get a woman to take care of you… You probably need to pay that mafia dude for protection, too. At what price? Is it all about extortion? “Nice bachelor life you got there, sure would be a shame if something were to happen to it”. Are you really going to be there or are you just going to suck the life out and pull the plug?
There is one of those “subtle chastisements” now. annie, I don’t think the shaming language works on red-pill men.
Yeah. But her concern is touching.
Right Annie. Because we all know that we can count on women to stay there through the tough times? Please.
God how I wish I could give this comment a thumbs up. I have two ex-wives. The first left because all the money I made also required 60-80 hour weeks. So “we grew apart” as she put it. Thankfully I was more successful at shaming her out of asking for alimony than I was at keeping her from leaving with half the savings account (nevermind that I made 4 times as much as she did, and paid off the $20,000 in debt she had coming in).
The second wife left when I slipped into chemical depression from the constant stress of that previous job. My normally very sweet mother’s first words on hearing that my second wife was leaving were “What the fuck happened to ‘for better or for worse’?!?”.
How about getting a job, getting married, and getting on with it?
Why, if someone doesn’t want to?
And frankly, you are simply naive about the stranglehold that your lovely new bride can get on your life down the road, so someone who doesn’t want to follow your laid-out path for them may well be the smarter person.
Why don’t you get married and live happily ever after and get your chivalrous crap out of other people’s faces?
Ummm … please.
You mean like getting married, following long discussions about children (yes), house (yes), et.al.? Only to be followed by “Well dear, I have decided I don’t want to have children. This just isn’t working out for me. You can have the house but I want everything else.” And there go half of the assets.
And then getting married again with the wife’s children accepted as his own. With being the sole provider as she goes to graduate school. And followed by “This just isn’t working out for me.” And there go half the assets.
Think I will try something different.
AMEN!!!
As one disillusioned man put it, when asked if he would marry again:
“No, I’ll simplify things. I’ll find some woman I don’t really like that much and buy a house for her.”
Groucho Marx.
“Rather than getting married again, I’ll just find a woman I can’t stand and giver her a house”.
Here’s a different twist on Jeff Y: There are still many jobs for men. You want something hands-on then look at the energy boom in places like the Dakotas and elsewhere for example, the world still runs on machines that need servicing; most working at these jobs are men and likely to remain so. There will always be a need for welders! These jobs pay well, and if you know a second language and are willing to travel there’s that too. One of busiest guys I’ve met here in rural Missouri worked on helicopter engines; traveled to jobs all the time. At least in the rural areas, there are opportunities for small businesses that service homeowners and always will be.
If the university is your thing then focus on engineering degrees – for all the desire to increase female engineering enrollments it’s still no higher than about 30% except in rare instances. Employment of engineering grads is still good and will continue to be so and the comment about language ability and travel applies here particularly.
Lastly, open your eyes and look beyond the boundaries of the US: it’s a great big world out there, a frontier where PC-mavens neither rule nor exist. Learn a skill, learn another language and go: You are endowed by your Creator with the unalienable right to pursue happiness. Pursue it.
Almost 2 decades ago (damn I feel old now) when I was an engineering student, there was a huge push to increase the female enrollment in the science / engineering field.
Freshman year the ratio were not too far off, somewhere around 4:1 vs. the tradition 10:1 ratio of men to women. By senior year, the ratio was back up closer to 10:1. With the exception of biology / veterinary related fields, science and engineering is still male dominated.
Yet when I was in public high school, all the science classes were majority women.
Well, 30 years ago when I (a woman) was studying electrical engineering there was a big push to get women into engineering (sound familiar?). Many started – few finished. In my department there were about 120 who graduated when I did – 116 men and 4 women. What I noticed was that the women who started were smart and did well in high school. When they didn’t do well in engineering they moved to a different major where they could do better. My observation was that when one of the women started making C’s they changed majors, typically to something that was less lucrative than engineering. When the men made C’s they would slog on through and ended up working as engineers.
A lot of women don’t handle criticism real well. They read emotion into it and take a C in Diff Eq taught by a Romanian grad student who doesn’t speak a lick of English as a personal assault. Men will typically take the C, shrug and move on. Guys tend to accept the fact that sometimes your day comes complete with an ass-kicking; no use getting down about it.
FWIW, I’m an attorney and I really treasure women at work who don’t roll with a whole basket of emotional issues. It’s pretty trying as a supervisor to have to spend an hour stroking ruffled feathers. I’m glad that it’s soothing and all, gratifying, but it’s billable time…
Helen,
I am old enough to have missed the worst of the misandry and I don’t have a son. But the most obvious way to do this would be not to marry. A reasonable, steady, and reasonably well-kept man is a hot commodity, and he does not need to settle down with one woman when others will throw themselves at him.
Sadly, “A reasonable, steady, and reasonably well-kept man” is only a hot commodity if also funny, charming, exciting and hot. Somebody who’s a few pounds overweight, an introvert and works in the tech sector is still going to be passed over by all but the most wretched women (except at tax time when everybody wants a piece of the action, but only indirectly).
One other thing men could do to go Galt:
Don’t enlist in the military. Why put your life on the line for a system that treats you as a second class citizen?
Actually, if you enlist, you are more likely to meet the kind of women that like men to be men, but are also usually self-confident and resilient enough to be good spouses. The strain the military life puts on relationships is tough, but those that enter into relationships realistically and communicate through the hard times generally come out much stronger.
I haven’t been in the military, but I wouldn’t think the women there are ones who want men to be men. Those would seem to be women who want to be men. What kind of woman things she is physically equal to men in the most grueling job there is, fighting? Maybe I’m wrong but women who want to be soldiers, lawyers, construction workers don’t seem like ones who want men to be men.
I don’t think he meant that the women you meet when you’re in the military are actually in the military themselves. Women who are interested in men who are actually men will go to places where they can meet guys in the military.
True that society still treats the military like dirt, especially if you have a leftist administration, where military values like honor and duty are completely foreign to them. But throughout it all, the military does a pretty good job of taking care of their own.
Only until their spouse wants to divorce them. Then they’re put through a whole new hell, often while simultaneously fighting for our politicians’ best interests overseas.
The alarming reach of the unjust family court system takes perhaps an even MORE vicious path towards military men, who often come home divorced, penniless, can’t find their children, and their homes in foreclosure because their “homebound faithful wives” were banging willy-nilly both on and off base.
Actually, men are fourth-class citizens — ranking after women, children, and pets.
Pump and dump the American women, then marry a foreign woman. Oh, wait, that one is already being done. Sorry.
Work under the table. Oh. Being done. Nvm.
Ah, I got it! Make less than women, and have them transfer their wealth to you. Make it so they cannot find high-achieving men, and have to settle for supporting a man. Oh, dang. Being done.
Oh, wait, finally! Be a house-husband. Stay home and look after just the one kid that she could take time off for. Cook and clean for just a few hours a day, play with the kid, then spend the rest of your time on a hobby. Maybe get a little strange on the side. Encourage her to spend more time at work, get that promotion. Spend her money lavishly on toys for yourself. Put a bit away each month into a Caribbean account she can never find. If she divorces you, you get the kid and she pays you child support. Maybe divorce her first, but clean out the accounts. Make the divorce last as long as possible, while she pays for it and for the house that you get to reside in, because you have the kid. Make her go broke. If she is late in paying child support, throw her in jail. Oh, and sell the seks tape.
Sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose, right? not saying this is right at all, but you did ask for suggestions, right?
Yes, pass on American women and marry foreign. But even then be judicious. Learn what their society is like and the roles of men and women in it. If you don’t take that into account it can be a disaster. I am on my second marriage, this time to a russian lady. She does not put up with any monkey business but she is also a hard working person. I have encourged her to start her own business which has now turned out quite successful. All she wants is we both be fulfilled.
I am more optimistic about defeating misandry. I have noticed progress and I sense more men are reaching their tipping point. Do not marry unless you have taken every precaution to avoid disaster. Considering the anti-male climate and the anti-male bias in custody and divorce laws,it may be wise to avoid women altogether in a romantic way. Improve yourself,and enjoy your life. Laugh at all the dumbass things Oprah and dr. Phil say,and have a good time.
– withhold sex from you! Oh, on second thought…
St. Germain, the Wandering Jew, lone wolf, nomad, vagabond… Noble outcasts are a fine tradition, and women shouldn’t be blamed for their difficulties.
Rand was a desperate woman too. Her protagonists were absurd fantasies, worse than Brawny or any cheap romance novel.
an individual calling, not a re-make the culture strategy. i avoid leadership in the workplace. sacrifice job status for less anxiety and more personal freedom. when you get the confidence to act like a man in the face of daily criticism/contempt, the restless packs keep an eye on you. sometimes feel i am a role model for a few of the sadder men. enough women are attracted to this style to make it work.
Dr. Smith,
Nobody, especially no males I speak to under 30 believes that the concepts of Gynocentrism and Misandry exist. They keep playing the “Men are bigger than women and rape them!” card over and over again, and claim that we deserve the mistreatment, and women deserve special privilege over men in order to “erase and then make up for” something they call “male privilege”.
I don’t see how THEY don’t see that they’re being insulting by refusing to see women as level. They say that I am a misogynist because I don’t go out of my way to promote gender-feminist issues as superior and more important than anything else.
How do I get through to people who only see the world through a prism of social vengeance (disguised in the name of “justice”?
So many males I’ve known (and I know a right-leaning site doesn’t want to hear this) have started the transition through transsexualism, having bought entirely into feminist superiority, that the highest goal in life is to strive to become female.
I’m just starting to feel like this : Why shout into the wind when nobody’s listening?
Kitsune,
I, like you, thought no one was listening. It’s not true. I have been talking with young men and older guys for my book and many of them just have no idea what is happening. When you explain to them –their lack of rights in reproduction, marriage, education, etc. their eyes open wide and they get it. They are just uneducated. Education is key. I talked to one activist for paternity fraud rights for men recently and lamented that “no one out there cares.” He replied that I was wrong. Men do care. This particular activist, Carnell Smith, has won paternity fraud legislation in Georgia and assisted in getting paternity fraud rights for men passed in up to 29 states. There are others out there. You are not shouting into the wind, perhaps you are just on the cusp of change.
I agree. Judging by Internet comments alone whenever some feminist article comes up, awareness is significantly higher than just one year ago.
Dr. Helen’s book will do very well – better than people expect.
It is on the right subject.
At the right time
By the right person.
Yeah, Kitsune, you’re whipped – maybe past the point of no return. I see it clearly in your writing. Over and over again you write “male” when you meant “men”. Dogs can be male, but never men. And nowhere do you dare commit the same slight against women.
“Nobody, especially no males I speak to under 30 believes that the concepts of Gynocentrism and Misandry exist. They keep playing the “Men are bigger than women and rape them!” card over and over again, and claim that we deserve the mistreatment, and women deserve special privilege over men in order to “erase and then make up for” something they call “male privilege”.”
How wrong they are. They will find that out if they ever get entangled in the family court system.
Doctor Helen:
I agree with Eric R. but his idea is incomplete. Carry it a step further. In every traditional society men are the protectors against external and internal enemies. Since men no longer enjoy full & equal citizenship in our society it’s time society reaped the crop they’ve planted.
I will encourage, and I urge all other men in western societies who work with and train boys and young men to likewise encourage the males they encounter to NOT join the military, NOT to become any kind of peace officer or work in Law Enforcement or Corrections in any way, and NOT to become a Fire Fighter, EMT or Paramedic. I would encourage them to boycott studying obstetrics as well, but our current usurous, litigation happy society is already taking care of that.
Most importantly, I urge all men in western societies who are interested in having children and / or marriage to boycott the slutty, emotionally overwrought, completely brainwashed, thoroughly modern Millies who have taken over our society. Look to the developing world or Eastern Europe to find your bride or the future mother of your children. You stand much less chance of being financially enslaved and emotionally destroyed. Following this piece of advice drastically increases the chances that a solid, caring man will enjoy a happy relationship with a genuine helpmate.
That last piece of advise has worked for me so far…
23 years and still going strong!
Happy Easter!
Armageddon Rex
“I will encourage, and I urge all other men in western societies who work with and train boys and young men to likewise encourage the males they encounter to NOT join the military, NOT to become any kind of peace officer or work in Law Enforcement or Corrections in any way, and NOT to become a Fire Fighter, EMT or Paramedic.”
This statement is asinine. Granted the ship of state needs to be repaired but you can’t repair it if you don’t own it.
Be a man. Be your own man. Be masculine in the way that is most comfortable to you.
That being said, be a good man. True to your word, true to your family, and true to your salt.
Join the military. Not a career, not if you don’t _want_ to, but even a few years in the reserve components, even in peacetime (a condition for which a return to which is something for which we should all hope and pray) will give you skills, habits, and perspectives that will stand you in good stead the rest of your days.
If “higher” education isn’t for you, then find training (vocational, technical, whathaveyou) that gives you the professional skills to allow you to make your way in this world.
If “higher” education _is_ for you, keep your eye on the ball and remember to do things like buy the books, go to class, &tc. It isn’t _all_ frisbee and co-eds. (Nothing against frisbee and co-eds, mind you.) Retain your intellectual center and integrity; even if you have to regurgitate the biases of your professors, remember that you’re playing (and paying) _them_ to get that diploma, not the other way around.
Even as an under-employed, under-achieving, and under-credentialed 20 (and 30!)-something, I never lacked for female companionship, some serious and some downright frivolous.
However, when it came time to settle down I found someone from a background like unto my own (parents still married, father a veteran) who wasn’t going to skedaddle on matrimony when everything didn’t go her or our way. Because sooner-or-later something’s going to “Gang aft agley.” Married over 10 years now, just bought our own house last year in between overseas assignments, and she’s a beautiful as the day she walked down the aisle.
Thank you. I’ve been trying to articulate that basic thought for a while now. It has always seem to me that the “battle of the sexes” is just a war against ourselves, that the only way to win is to not play that game.
When I was living in LA, which has a 11-10 male to female ratio, it always struck me that relatively few of the women were is good happy relationships. You would think that with the ratios turned in their favor so, that most women could more easily find what they were looking for, but I noticed that most of the guys were, well, really sort of overgrown adolescents.
It struck me that the majority of what makes relationships work are learned skills, that one learns by being in healthy relationships, and that this is resource limited by the number of opposite parties available. The guys, by in large end up with a lower average level of relational maturity, simply because there are so few girls, and the girls never date anyone past a highschool level of maturity, simply because none of the guys get the chance to grow up that far.
Everybody ends up miserable.
Sadly, many of the “children-of-divorce” who grew up out of the Boomer’s broken (multiple) marriages are, frankly, damaged goods. Their attitudes about disposable relationships, marriages, spouses, and children (!) were acquired along with their mother’s milk.
Do not marry into a family more disfunctional than the one you came from. You’re only adding to the casualty roster by doing so.
It’s been awhile, C-A-A, but I see you are as wise as always. I hope my sons turn out like you.
Very kind of you to say, DRJ.
Anyhow, chicks dig men in uniform. The quality ones will prefer _real_ masculinity to the faux one of tattoos, piercings, and wannabe bad-boys.
Outstanding Consul-At_Arms!
Going Galt for men does not mean that we must leave our species behind, just the society that does not value men. There are societies, even here in the US that still do value men and manliness.
You just won’t fined them in the metros of NYC or LA or SFO. Leave those places behind and find spots where you can still be a man and respect the face you see in the mirror.
-Bubba Man (One of the Bubbas of the Apocalypse)
Yeah, what you said.
It is true that many of the most anti-male laws were written and passed by men. Presumptive paternity dates back to the fourteenth century. But at that time divorce was not allowed and the penalty for adultery was severe (banishment for the woman, castration for the man).
And it was that great icon of conservatism, Ronald Reagan, who was the first governor to sign no fault divorce into law.
Since men wrote the law, it is encumbent upon men to re-write the law. Women are certainly not going to re-write the law, because the law as written gives them tremendous advantages and power.
So, until or unless men come to their senses and actually do something about the problem, nothing is going to change. In a female-centered society, the only male option remains to avoid marriage altogether.
She has no power or control over me unless I grant it to her. She cannot abandon, betray or bankrupt me unless I allow it. She cannot slap me with child support for another man’s bastard if I do not marry her. It’s as simple as that.
If that’s going Galt, so be it. I have an education, a job, a salary, and money in the bank. She has an education, a job, a salary, and money in the bank. As long as we do not share property or share money, she is entitled to neither of mine.
I have my bank account. She has hers. She wants to move in so we can split the rent and have sex together? Fine, as long as we split the rent and all the other bills. Sex is cheap. Living is expensive. If she can pay her 50%, I can live with her. If not, she can take her bad attitude and sell it on the street for all I care.
We’re not talking about love here. We’re not talking about passion and romance and companionship. We’re not talking about togetherness and all that crap. We’re talking about money.
I have mine. She has hers. Isn’t that what true equality is all about?
Ronald Reagan… was the first governor to sign no fault divorce into law.-Gawain’s Ghost
False.
California was not the first no-fault divorce state.
You’re spreading a myth. Please stop.
Ronald Reagan was the first governor to sign no fault divorce into law. He did it because his first wife accused him of emotional abuse in open court. (She had to have some reason for divorcing him.) That is a historical fact.
Still, the salient point remains that presumptive paternity and no fault divorce render the marriage contract null and void from the very beginning.
I don’t hear any women complaining about that. But then I don’t hear very many men complaining about it either.
So the only solution is to avoid marriage altogether. She can buy her own house, where she can sit at home alone, play with her cat and complain about men. I really don’t care.
I agree that men should avoid marriage and that women clean up by using it, but statements like this make you sound like a crackpot:
“Still, the salient point remains that presumptive paternity and no fault divorce render the marriage contract null and void from the very beginning.”
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You use legal-sounding language, but you are clearly not a lawyer and you have no idea what you are talking about. As a side note to start you out, “family law” and “contracts” are completely different courses in law school. Marriage is in a sense a type of agreement that you enter into, but it’s also a status with the state and much more than an individual agreement (also including third parties: children). Your list of things that make it null and void is just crackpottery that would have no meaning in a court or anywhere else. It just makes you look self-righteous, self-important and out of tune with reality.
Presumptive paternity and no-fault divorce don’t render marriage null and void, they are characteristics of it. And reasons to avoid it.
I am not a lawyer. I am however a broker and am intimately familiar with contract law.
Presumptive paternity and no fault divorce do render the marriage contract null and void. Because there is no contract to begin with.
What man is going to agree to pay child support for every child a woman conceives? Only a love drunk idiot. And a bankrupt one at that.
If she retains the right to change her mind at any time, for no reason or any reason, then she does not enter into a contract. She does not make a commitment. She makes a promise, with the option of changing her mind.
When you have two parties, a man and a woman, who disagree on the terms and conditions of a contract, what do you do?
If you’re a lawyer, you argue about it. (That’s what lawyers are paid to do.) If you’re a broker, you change the terms and conditions of the contract so that it is mutually acceptable to both parties. Otherwise, you don’t get paid.
Women are not going to agree to determinitive paternity or just cause divorce. So it remains up to men to re-write the laws. Until such time, all else is nothing but pussy-whipped bullshit.
Ronald Reagan was the first governor to sign no fault divorce into law.
You keep repeating this claim as if you can “broker” history.
You’ve asserted and re-asserted this and yet, offered no (alleged) correction to the claim. Could you please inform ME, if not anyone else, as to what you believe was the first state to enact no-fault divorce, if not California?
I ask because everything I’ve read about no-fault divorce includes as history: “With the signature of Governor Ronald Regan on Sept 5, 1969, the State of California became the first State to enact No-Fault Divorce.”
The least you could offer other readers is what you believe the correct information is as a means to prevent this alleged “myth” from persisting.
Thanks in advance.
Wish I had an answer, I’m very concerned for my sons.
On the other hand, we’re heading for a massive societal dislocation sometime in the next 10 years, maybe that will sort things out as far as relationships between the sexes is concerned.
Definitely starting your own business is a good idea. Most corporate recruiters are women. Even if the male is the most qualified, the nod goes to the woman, especially if she’s a minority. As a 60 year old straight white male, my job prospects would be a lot better if I could reinvent myself as a 35 year old minority lesbian.
Sounds like a movie!
Not every way of ‘going Galt’ is workable for every man. I would say, though, that men should adopt the habits used traditionally by Jews as they lived and worked in societies that were or had potential of becoming hostile to them. These are in fact survival skills of any group not secure in their surroundings.
Concentrate on mobile wealth, pursue independent businesses rather than jobs that leave you at the whim of some individual or small group of individuals, develop journeyman skills (journeyman in the original sense of working by the day or contract), and focus on marketable skills that depend on your knowledge, which can’t be seized, over credentials which can be rendered worthless.
Having this, you can then work as much or as little depending on the payback to you compared to the amount appropriated from you for the welfare state. But keep in mind, they have figured out the choice in working which is a lot of what Obamacare is, young men pay a lot more than they will consume to support free birth control for women, treatment for the infirm and care for the old, based solely on the fact they are breathing. But be advised, to escape, you may have to abandon the US as you won’t be permitted to opt out.
How to “Go Galt” as a man (and may I add, a woman) in a whiny, sissified, and increasingly intolerant milieu?
Simple:
(a) Become a traditionalist;
(b) Embrace monogamy and fertility, in that order (celibacy, if that’s your calling);
(c) Learn to love your Creator, family, and neighbour;
(d) Take on a spiritual discipline (like, forsaking pornography);
(e) Study, master, and teach truly difficult skills (cooking, engine repair, banjo,
C++, calculus, etc);
(f) Read Shakespeare and listen to Mozart.
That should be enough.
Works great, until and unless the little lady decides to cash out of the marriage for some EPL-type self-actualization, taking your kids and a big chunk of your income with her on her way out.
You are right, Retrenched.
There is no magic formula for preserving marriage if one side is not committed to it, absolutely – a truism, and one of the reasons why modernism truly sucks. We’ve all noticed that modernism travels with many parachutes.
That’s why I included both men and women, and placed becoming a traditionalist first, on my “list”. While even traditionalism is not a 100% guarantee, it’s a whole lot better than the swamp we’re in now.
Mark VA,
You simple have no clue that if the laws are rigged against the man to a ridiculous degree, then being ‘traditional’ is no solution.
There is a huge industry that profits from breaking up families by duping women into harming their own children and husband for profit. Being ‘traditional’ does not exempt you from the law.
Read Wedded Abyss to educate yourself.
Toads:
I know the rules are rigged, as you explained. I’ve lived a while. But simply restating the problem yet again, is not the same as proposing a solution. And “Going Galt” sounds childish to me.
Taking pot-shots is way too wimpy – propose a viable solution.
The floor is yours, Toads.
Judging from your advice, you don’t know what “going Galt” means.
Perhaps you’re right, H-Bob, maybe I don’t know what “Going Galt” means.
But does anyone really know, is there one answer, maybe it’s one of those situations from Kafka? Or like Polkaholics like to sing “Are we here, are we there, are we really anywhere?” in “Existentialist Polka”? Or maybe there are factions…
I do seem to remember it involves a girl Ayn, and a guy “John”. Not that I care a whole lot about either of them, they seem a bit cultish and esoteric to me.
On the other hand, if there is a certified expert among us on the orthodox meaning of “Going Galt”, let her be the final and supreme arbiter (arbiterix?) of this important question.
It may not be “going Galt” but I think your approach is more likely to result in happiness.
I could not have said it better than #19 from Mark, which I posted below. As feminism is passing because it lacks fundamental truth this too is going to fade. One must become a man internally. One’s strength must be internal and being true to one’s self will emerge from that. BUT! And this is a big BUT, we MUST embrace Mark’s simple rules and simple truths. We will lead the next generation(s) with truth. Amen.
19. Mark VA
How to “Go Galt” as a man (and may I add, a woman) in a whiny, sissified, and increasingly intolerant milieu?
Simple:
(a) Become a traditionalist;
(b) Embrace monogamy and fertility, in that order (celibacy, if that’s your calling);
(c) Learn to love your Creator, family, and neighbour;
(d) Take on a spiritual discipline (like, forsaking pornography);
(e) Study, master, and teach truly difficult skills (cooking, engine repair, banjo,
C++, calculus, etc);
(f) Read Shakespeare and listen to Mozart.
That should be enough.
(a) Become a traditionalist;
[Already am one. Fan of the older movies as well.]
(b) Embrace monogamy and fertility, in that order (celibacy, if that’s your calling);
[Not sure which path to take due to the hostility towards men in the legal system]
(c) Learn to love your Creator, family, and neighbour;
[Done... done... and trying to do so]
(d) Take on a spiritual discipline (like, forsaking pornography);
[I'm actually taking that particular discipline]
(e) Study, master, and teach truly difficult skills (cooking, engine repair, banjo, C++, calculus, etc);
[I can cook, bake, play piano, change oil, perform complex integrations, and code]
(f) Read Shakespeare and listen to Mozart.
[First thing on this list I started doing]
I guess I’m ok.
That should be enough.
Hmm, passive resistance does work. Of course, the best one can expect in the “battle of the sexes” is a stalemate with passive resistance, because on the tactical every day “life is compromise” level passive resistance is a defensive strategy. The worse that can happen is capitulation. Or, there is the offensive strategy of active resistance: be an honest asshole. Insist on them meeting their “equality of conditions” preferences in order to have “equal opportunity” in the “real world” regardless of “gender norming.” In other words, insist the elite girls register for Selective Service and that there be an ameliorative draft to ensure equal dying for equal pay between genders in the military–for example, sexually segregated infantry units would make it easier for the generals to insure equal mortality rates during operations. After all, gender is just an arbitrary historical social construct and so there’s no reason why the foxes can’t enjoy the fox holes too. Of course, I’m being sarcastic, but all the girls need is there birth control implants, some Ativan after the evening weapons cleaning in the fox hole, and they’re good to go for induction. On second thought, maybe it’s just better to be dishonest and lie and let them think they actually run things? Surely we can afford an occasional humanitarian Libyan fiasco now and then in the interest of passive humanitarian interventions?
Someone above said, marketable skills. Most women run out of fix it know-how slightly beyond checking to see if it is plugged in or trying new batteries. Learning to fix the two largest assets most people have, their cars and homes, and working freelance is the ticket to freedom. Keep it all under the radar. Avoid Universities, attend community college and learn a useful trade like plumbing, electrical, HVAC, or auto repair. Take cash, live modestly, buy used stuff so you do not support the unions and the female dominated large businesses.
Second step, do not financially support women. Meet women in bars for meaningless sex. Limit male to female wealth transfer to a few beers and eject if she doesn’t get with the program. Use condoms, and learn ejaculation control. Condoms fail. As Tarik Nasheed said, young men, guard your seed. Do not plant it mindlessly.
Listen to Tom Leykis. His classics are on Youtube. Get your head on straight, learn the truth about women.
Quit being a white knight or a male feminist, quit being a traitor. Players get laid more often by prettier women than either white knights or male feminists, and we all know that is the reason you suck up to women. The women know it too, and use it to lead you around by your dick. You are the useful idiots in this play. If you don’t know who the pigeon is in a con game, it’s you.
Old Guy, your “Second step” is superb (if completely immoral) writing. I mean it. It is straight from Da Ponte, it describes the Don to the T!
The monument to all these labours would be “The Catalogue”, contadine, cameriere, cittadine,
v’han contesse, baronesse, marchesane, principesse, and in Spain, mille e tre:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KdvbWcTX3g
Many of the suggestions above (be a playah! screw the b*tches! don’t be a breadwinner! “quit being a white knight!”) will not effect change for the better. They only ratify present trends and reinforce the negative stereotypes that are used to rationalize hatred of males.
Mark VA (#19 above) and others who suggest that men refuse to play the modern, whiny, narcissistic, gender-wars game altogether may be on the right track. I don’t know.
I do know that women are suffering under the current dispensation too. Feminism and the accompanying sexual revolution have NOT made them happy.
But to say that is blasphemy.
“I do know that women are suffering under the current dispensation too. Feminism and the accompanying sexual revolution have NOT made them happy.”
Sorry, but… no. If most American women were truly unhappy with feminism, we wouldn’t be seeing Obama pander to women (and probably coast to re-election due to their overwhelming support) by offering them more and more feminism.
Find the women who don’t approve of male-bashing and aren’t voting for Obama. You may have to move to find them, but they do exist.
Wel, if you are the kind of man who wants a family, you need to marry. It’s marrying the right woman that’s the hard part. I certainly agree that Obama can help here. Anyone who marries a woman who voted for Obama is asking to be treated like the sucker he is.
The thing is, if you get married, I don’t see how you “go Galt”.
In other words, maybe the real way to “go Galt” is for men to stop marrying and/or procreating with the wrong kind of women — the kind who feel instead of think; the kind who don’t trust men; and the kind who believe all the feminist lies they teach in schools. Women who respect themselves and respect men are out there … but they may be in small towns instead of big cities, at churches instead of bars, and in the reddest of red states.
But to be fair, it’s not like most men really care about injustices that happen to other men either. Which is why “Going Galt” is probably a more feasible answer than trying to affect systemic change.
I think of those cultures where males, especially the poor, are hard-pressed to marry. To me they seem pretty uniformly male-centered, like Islamic cultures; and female-repressive, like traditional Hindu/Brahmin cultures.
Since the force of law looks to be heading toward suppressing and criminalizing typical male behaviors, I expect Western cultures to breed non-Muslim “jihadists” taking out their frustrations in violence. I imagine this occurs even now in the inner cities.
So glad I am old married guy. Whenever my wife complains about me to other women (which is close to mysandry as I ever experience) it really sounds like she is bragging. You know. The way a man ‘complains’ that his 68 GTO has a rough idle. Hardly housebroken at all wink wink.
MGTOW – Men Going Their Own Way.
Do not marry. Not even the foreign women you imagine are “better.” Its a fairy tale.
Do not cohabitate.
Do not sleep around.
If you simply can’t live without female contact, save your money and plan bachelor vacations to countries with legalized prostitution.
Limit your contact with women and feminized men as much as possible. Be polite, but ultimately disinterested.
Do not protect women, do not help them, do not rescue them. I would make an exception for blood relatives, but that’s it.
Do not give to charities and organizations that put a priority on saving female lives over helping men. Orgs like this include the Red Cross, the United Way, and the ACLU.
Support politicians genuinely dedicated to cutting government spending. Government spending is the lifeblood of Feminism.
Speak about these issues to your male family members and close friends.
Wow. You’re into it heavy.
Have you given any thought to Real Girl(TM) and the like? Every year, the technology will get better and cheaper, just like smart-phones.
Dr Helen, thanks for your work, and I will copy and send to my nephew and his friends, all of whom are in their mid 20s, nice people, and workers.
First, there is the whole sexual revolution, which means unmarried girls get pregnant a lot more than they did before. One young man told me that girls he meets expect to ‘hook-up’ almost immediately. This was after I suggested he wait for a girl he actually LIKES. It seems this is not an option (thanks, Hugh Hefner!)
And come a pregnancy, the girl has every right to demand continuing financial support from the father. Forever. The father is not necessary, tho, for either the child’s welfare, or for that of the mother. The government has so thoroughly nationalized the family, that anything he may contribute is a frill. The child will not starve, the girl and child will be sheltered and clothed, and educated, by the Guvmint. No wonder these men resent all of this, and say over and over that ‘she spends my money on clothes, not on necessities! Well, the Guvmint supplies the necessities alright, and in the process has shoved the man out of the ‘family’, which is a ‘family’ no longer.
Not supporting women or letting them get their long-term financial hooks in you for sex is “immoral”?
Huh?
Women who use men for money are immoral, not the other way around.
Either women are responsible adults who should be treated as such … or they are like retarded children who should be treated as such. One or the other – not mix and match depending on what gives the most benefit to a woman in a particular situation. I vote to treat them like responsible adults.
There is no safety in not getting married. The Labour government in New Zealand brought in a law that treats anyone who has been in a relationship for three years as though they are married and the assets are split when the relationship hits the ropes just as though there was a marriage involved.
This is why men need to act in the US now before these laws hit here and even men living with women will be treated as if they were married. There are some states that already have common law marriages but the couple must hold themselves out as married and it is for a longer period of time, something like 7 years. Maybe someone else here knows more about the details of common-law marriage or palimony laws.
Dr. Smith, I’m thoroughly disoriented by your reply – the compass is spinning.
Men in our country need to act so as to preserve their legal right to walk out on long term relationships, free of any obligation to the women they were cohabiting with?
Say it ain’t so.
“Men in our country need to act so as to preserve their legal right to walk out on long term relationships, free of any obligation to the women they were cohabiting with?”
Yep, that’s what she seem’s to be saying. When women do it, they are “not settling” or “fighting for women’s rights”. What you seem to want is for men, even when they haven’t legally “committed” (i.e., married), to make themselves vulnerable to a bunch of blood-sucking leech bitches who vote for politician, male and female, who then hold guns to men’s heads and extort money from them.
This may come as a surprise, but relationships come in different levels of intensity and different durations.
“Men in our country need to act so as to preserve their legal right to walk out on long term relationships, free of any obligation to the women they were cohabiting with? ”
Yes.
If there are no children involved, why should one adult owe another adult a living? Joint purchases should be divided up equitably, but if one person in the relationship was supporting the other, why should the supported one be granted the right to continued support after the relationship is over?
I can guarantee you that if some guy was living with his girlfriend for a few years and had no job but did do housework and cooking while she provided all the money, and then he left and went to court to get continued support after the relationship was over, he’d be laughed off the stage. Why should it be any different for women?
Mark VA is one of those pedestalizers who openly believes that a woman’s well-being is worth more than a man’s.
He also believes that women never do anything wrong.
A man who grovels to such a pathetic degree merely does so to appease women, when in fact women are repulsed by such a groveler.
Mark VA It ain’t so
Prior to the legislation the case was argued that a woman with seven children should be protected if the father of those children should walk out. Fair enough. The resulting legislation applies even if a man of modest means lives with a well-to-do woman for three years and there are no children involved then he gets half of all the wealth she accumulated prior to the relationship.
The effects of the Property Relationships Act have been very strange, either you have to trade in your partner every three years or have them sign an agreement opting out. It has been very destructive to long term relationships, even good ones and it is not gender specific so it effects women just as much as men. There have been cases where the owner of a house has taken in a lodger and then the owner has died, the lodger has then claimed that the two were in a relationship and made a claim.
Texas recognizes common law or informal marriage according to this 3-part test:
Just one instance of publicly declaring yourself married can be sufficient to establish a common law marriage. If one party declares themselves married in the presence of the other party, and the other party doesn’t correct that impression, that can constitute evidence of a common law marriage. However, a common law marriage may not be treated the same as a traditional marriage as discussed here.
In addition, I don’t think there is any minimum time requirement for a common law marriage in Texas provided the other requirements are met. However, some time is required for a couple to “hold themselves out” as married.
Actually, in Texas, if you publicly introduce a woman as your wife, you’re married.
If you share property or share money, you’re married.
All she has to do is go down to the county clerk’s office and claim common law.
In fact, she can claim common law for years after the fact. There is no statute of limitations.
I know a guy in Dallas who lived with this model for two years. Basically, all she did was lie by the pool, do some leisurely chores, and occasionally have sex with him. Then she got bored, left and moved to California to become a super model.
He was distraught. But six months later he met the “true” love of his life and got married. They bought a house and started a family. Ten years later they wanted to sell the house and buy a bigger one–another baby on the way.
From out of nowhere little miss super model showed up and claimed common law. Not only was she entitled to half of his earnings from the time she moved in with him to date; she was also entitled to half the equity in his home. And the court awarded her that. The only thing she was not entitled to was presumptive paternity–he was not responsible for every child she conceived. But she got the money nonetheless.
Makes you think, doesn’t it? Do not share property. Do not share money. Split all chores equally. If she wants to have sex, take her to a hotel. And make sure she pays half the bill.
The sacrament is pure. The sacrament is true and beautiful. The contract is corrupt. The contract is false and ugly.
When men start to figure that out, maybe things will change.
My state, Alaska, doesn’t recognize common law marriage but for purposes of “equitable distribution of maritally acquired property,” it recognizes “marriage-like relationships.” So, at least theoretically, if you decided to have a few celebratory drinks the night before you close on your new house and trolled some babe out of the bar and into your bed and kept her a day or two, she owns half your new house because you were in a “marriage-like” relationship at the time you acquired it. I don’t know of an actual case that was that bad, but I know of some that were close. Fortunately, my state doesn’t have alimony or palimony though it does have “interim spousal support,” which is supposed to be temporary support for a non-working spouse to make him/herself self-sufficient.
Having been through one divorce, the standard aging ‘boomer female needed “more space” type, and teetered on the brink of one more than once in my current marriage, it is FAR too easy to get a divorce, especially where there are kids from the marriage. If children have issued from the marriage, it should take one Helluva lot more than “there has arisen an incompatability of temperament that has led to irreconcilable differences,” the words of Alaska’s law, to end the marriage. The effects on children of divorce are well known, but the ease with which a divorce can be obtained also sets the tone of the marriage itself. A woman knows that all she has to do is pay the filing fee and she has half of everything, the kid(s) if she wants them, court formula child support, interim spousal support, and the whole apparatus of the state with which to make the ex-husband-to-be’s life a living Hell. On the other hand, the ex-husband-to-be only has as much justice as he can afford and also is likely to have to pay for however much justice she wants as well. Add to that the fact that the modern divorce is commonly initiated with a complaint for divorce, a domestic violence writ, and an allegation of abuse of the children; divorce attorneys are wonderful people. When the paper tells of your arrest or of the writ against you, they don’t say it is just a strategem in a divorce case. I do have to chuckle every time I see the public notice of one having his bar ticket suspended or revoked for diddling his clients, though I know from experience what a fertile field divorcing and recently divorced women are. The only thing that held me back is I knew how prone to fits of reconcilliation women are and they tend to go confess all to the cuckolded husband who goes looking for you with a gun. Don’t ask me how I know.
Any society that doesn’t propagate itself will die out and deservedly so. While you can go Galt and completely withdraw I think that is the wrong answer (But if you do so, we are better off without your DNA). What is needed is a woman who doesn’t believe that she is made stronger by tearing men down, and we need me who refuse to be cowed by the absolute silly misandry of current society. Above all keep in mind healthy children are the goal, and that requires 2 parents. Children learn be example, and the example of a couple that can live and love together is extremely important.
Sadly we lose a lot of influence with our children and while I think it comes back sometime in the late 20′s (I hope, it is not the early 20′s) I see my daughter has bought in to way too much of popular culture. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and what message do young women hear. Point being I think it is probably easier to find the right woman out of the US rather than in (sad to say).
Go Galt not by withdrawing from society, but by making traditional values of raising children in a 2 parent household work. Your children will inherit the earth.
And don’t worry, that which can’t be paid for won’t. The chickens are coming home to roost with respect to our current misandry and spendthrift ways. Will we recover from our illness or destroy ourselves because we refuse to let go of our disfunctional behaviors and beliefs? Sadly I believe the later for a number of reasons.
What going Galt will do is destroy western society and plunge everyone into poverty. It is a smart move even if the only result will be an entry in the history books as an example of why a society should never implement feminism.
Mark VA –
“Men in our country need to act so as to preserve their legal right to walk out on long term relationships, free of any obligation to the women they were cohabiting with?”
As it is women who by a large percentage “walk out” on marriages, and for little reason, her advice is to work against laws that would enable this activity, yes.
Your problem with this is what exactly?
Well, Dr. Helen, in terms of societal change there are hundreds of valid points to contribute, and yet they would in the end change nothing. For the individual boy, I would stress personal excellence in a trade or a profession with the goal of self-employment or business ownership, and to read Roissy. That last may alarm you, I don’t know. But I think it is fair to say that men do not understand women, at all, and as long as we do not understand women we cannot understand ourselves.
You could also get the hell out of America and find some country where white males have value.
Russia’s not compatible with my idea of freedom. Everywhere else is busy marginalizing the one group that has brought more good to all the corners of the globe than any other.
If one truly wants to “go Galt” they should simply support a the libertarian idea of government. Vote against social programs that only help half the population and rally against tax increases on the general populace.
If you want live a never ending protest simply limit your taxable income, work off the books, and use every tax break available. I have serious reservation supporting a government which greatly differs from what I believe.
BobH, Old Guy, maxx8864, Oligonicella:
Thanks for your replies. What comes thru clearly is that we’re describing two incompatible cultures.
I’ve been cocooned in the world of Catholic Traditionalism for a long time (not to be confused with religious fundamentalism) where marriage, fidelity, fertility, and chastity are the norm. As a consequence of this experience, I feel great affinity for the traditionalists of other faiths, who place an equal emphasis on these life affirming values. While I try not to idealize traditionalism (I abhor hagiography), on the whole it’s a lot better than the hook up culture of the playahs, be they male or female.
I believe the world you describe will not find itself until it returns to sanity and to God. And until it does, its Leporellos will continue mocking and degrading the innocent among us.
“I’ve been cocooned in the world of Catholic Traditionalism for a long time (not to be confused with religious fundamentalism) where marriage, fidelity, fertility, and chastity are the norm. As a consequence of this experience, I feel great affinity for the traditionalists of other faiths, who place an equal emphasis on these life affirming values. While I try not to idealize traditionalism (I abhor hagiography), on the whole it’s a lot better than the hook up culture of the playahs, be they male or female.”
I was raised in a traditional conservative Catholic family and educated by Dominican Nuns and Jesuits. The problem is, the old order is no longer supported by the law, and has been perverted to a new situation, where women have been relieved of all responsibility to behave well and uphold the women’s end of the old marriage bargain, while at the same time men have been expected to continue to carry out their end of the deal. Plus, the laws of evidence and rights to a fair trial have been distorted to the point where anything a woman says is considered true and the responses of the man are assumed to be lies, and the quickie hearings that dissolve families and strip a man of his wealth and future earnings while denying him access to his children are not even reviewable by a higher court.
Yes, the old order did create the most prosperous and free society ever, and its women had the best life and most wholesome pro family environment imaginable, but that was jettisoned because it constrained women’s behavior. It also constrained men’s behavior, but that was never really given any weight in the deliberation. The focus was on the awful burden placed on women to dedicate themselves to husband, home, and family. What had been their highest aspiration was turned on its head and recast as their gulag and enslavement. The law was reformed to fit the new template. Men are now assumed to be vile creatures who instinctively oppress and abuse women, while lacking women’s appreciation for the higher things. Like all brutes and beasts, their animal urges need to be brought under the firm grip of the law to save women from them.
In this new world, the man who attempts to do the right thing, as was common when I was a lad, is a fool. He faces even odds that at some point, his wife will get bored and force him out of his home, separate him from his children, and expect him to continue to finance the lifestyle the family is accustomed to, while living in a crappy room somewhere on the scraps left over, and he will face prison if he rejects this deal.
When you look at it rationally, it is nothing less than supporting evil and injustice to counsel young men to try and make an honest go of raising a family under the current regime. The hookup culture is what the women demanded and got enshrined in law. I am simply counseling young men to play their part to the fullest and optimize their result.
“I believe the world you describe will not find itself until it returns to sanity and to God. And until it does, its Leporellos will continue mocking and degrading the innocent among us.”
I am sure you are right. I also am sure you have no workable plan to set things aright. There is a lot of toothpaste to be put back in the tube at this point. More likely, there will be a total collapse of Western civilization, and what was once known as Christendom will lose its 1500 year war with Islam. This will be the worst thing ever for women of the West but by the time they figure this out, it will be too late. A classic case of be careful what you wish for.
As they say on Tralfamador; so it goes.
We seem to be on the same page.
My personal philosophy is that the family has evolved as the strongest possible unit of survival of the species, it’s not going to go away. Politicians loath the family because it exists independent of government and a strong family will support one another in times of crisis (government sees that as competition.) I have two sons and I hope that they will find like minded women and continue the process, the collapse of welfare will bring a return to the family, life will be very hard if you don’t have one. I hate the concept of ‘game’ and the bile that is routinely traded between men and women these days, that path leads only to blame, destruction, disrespect and despair.
My advice to young men would be to embrace the old values not reject them, start your own business, buy your own house, be strong and virtuous, treat women with respect but protect your assets in whatever legal manner is available. At least give it a try, it has to be better than a lifetime playing video games in some basement.
“At least give it a try, it has to be better than a lifetime playing video games in some basement.”
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Yes, those are the only two options. Being a basement dweller in your parent’s house or being a chump for some woman.
You can be Chivalrous Dude on your own dime, but quit polluting the waters for other men. And don’t expect anyone – least of all older men who have been through it – to think your ideas are marvelous. It’s all ego-boosting and self-aggrandizement for you (until Pumpkin files in family court: I’ve seen Chivalrous Dudes like you absolutely collapse).
maxx8864 and Old Guy:
Traditionalism rides on, but in ghettos. There are Jewish, Protestant, and Catholic traditionalist enclaves – they differ in theology, but are similar in their emphasis on God, fidelity, marriage, and fertility. Then there are the Amish, perhaps the most venerable traditionalists of them all, leading almost a quasi monastic way of life.
All of it, when even noticed, gets a shrug of indifference from “the world”. It seems that my church world, and my work world, are on planets in different solar systems. They consider each other insane.
“Traditionalism rides on, but in ghettos. There are Jewish, Protestant, and Catholic traditionalist enclaves – they differ in theology, but are similar in their emphasis on God, fidelity, marriage, and fertility. Then there are the Amish, perhaps the most venerable traditionalists of them all, leading almost a quasi monastic way of life.”
However, those enclaves of traditionalism exist withing the Western society, and are still subject to its laws, which means that no matter how conservative or religious you are, you could be thrown in jail for an argument where you raised your voice at your wife and she told the police she was afraid of your anger, and then you’d likely lose your life savings, property, future income, and your being allowed unsupervised visit with your children would require that you first attend anger counseling, at your expense, and possibly be tested to make sure you are not a pedophile. (Sorry for the long sentence.)
When you traditionalists tell young men to do the “right” thing and build a family the old way, you are asking them to play Russian roulette with three rounds in the cylinder, as there is a 50-50 chance they will end up divorced and subject to the dictates of Family Court. There is no special dispensation that allows you to have your divorce adjudicated in ecclesiastical court. And your long history of faith will be seen as a sign that you are ignorant and backwards and likely an oppressor of women who believes his maltreatment of them is sanctioned by God.
I have to be so blunt here, but you are hopelessly naive, and are living in a fantasy world that disappeared about the time they made the last episode of Leave It To Beaver.
I respect your opinion, Old Guy. I never claimed that Traditionalism is the panacea for all of our ills, only that it’s a whole lot better than the hook up culture based on avoidance of commitment. I see it working with my own eyes.
And if Traditionalism is just a dismissable fantasy, then it would be more productive to propose another viable alternative.
@Mark VA:
I am not dismissing the traditional family, it is just that the laws that once protected and cultivated it are gone, replaced with laws designed to nourish and protect single mothers at the expense of those who would would previously have been husbands and fathers. I fully agree that it is the best way to raise a family and build a solid foundation for a society and a nation. But, the danger to young men of doing so has reached the point where I cannot in good conscience advocate it as a sensible plan of action.
As for a viable alternative. That is not the question. I believe the correct response is to get rid of the current regime, and civil disobedience in the form of refusing to participate is the best course. Choosing the slacker/player lifestyle stops much of the wealth transfer from talented and productive men to lazy and exploitative women, and treats them as the sluts and gold-diggers they aspire to be. Men are the engine that pulls the wagon the Feminists ride in. Men do all the jobs that create wealth. Service jobs, which is what most women do if they do work, only exist as long as there are wealth producers in need of service. Welfare only works as long as there is wealth creation to tax. Alimony and child support only works if there are husbands and children to exploit. It is foolish to do that which enables these people.
It is important to name the actual root evil that has wrought these dreadful changes in our culture. Progressivism. Last I checked, most of the Christian churches in the West supported it, and were falling all over each other to see who can be the most Progressive.
I don’t know how to return to a family oriented patriarchy. Taking the vote away from women and those who do not pay taxes would allow the necessary changes but that is as likely to happen as socialism producing prosperity.
Personally, I believe Western Civilization is screwed. The Progressives have painted us into a corner financially and socially and convinced a majority that drilling holes in the bottom of the ship is the smart way to get a free swimming pool. Yes, the current system is dysfunctional and in failure mode, but it seems like it is stable enough to sail all the way to the abyss. Totalitarianism or the triumph of Islam are our most likely futures. A return to Victorian society seems unlikely to me.
As a lifelong Catholic who’s been married for 27 years with 5 kids (20 and up), you’ve hit the nail on the head. The United States was built on Judeo-Christian principles, which as a society we seem to be working to dismantle as quickly as possible. Until we return to living moral lives, loving God and our fellow men and women, we are on a path to destruction.
see, the problem is that women provide a certain type of validation to a man – they validate our humanity just as we validate their femininity. on the other side, men validate each other’s masculinity, while women validate each other’s humanity. we can flex our muscles all we want, but there’s something that a woman’s love gives a man that can’t be purchased or rented. that sucks, because women are psychotic. ok, only most of the time. i’m married with 8 kids and starting in on grandchildren, and although the mrs drives me nuts, i’m not going to through it over because she drives me nuts. there are more important things out there, that go way beyond me. ok, so i’m living in the wrong century. so sue me.
I am about to turn 49. My last date was 1994. As I believe activities not requiring sanctification by marriage between men and women, morally, offer me no value(and only countless dangers)in the use of my time and effort, why bother? How do I need the chaotic influence of females in my calm, do-as-I-please-when-I-please environment? They are so TOTALLY AWESOME and empowered, let ‘em take care of themselves, they don’t need me.
I don not think I am “fighting” anything, I’m just not participating in the madness at all. I found a cash business, and have lots of hobbies, and I am too old, and independent(never married)to have a use for or be of use to women.
I could say, because they have breasts, but leave it, leave it…
Ibsen, in his play Peer Gynt, says that the motto of a troll is “To thyself, be… enough.” Personally, I aspire to an existence higher than that of a troll. I’m 5 years older than you, and have a nice crop of grandkids coming in, and it’s probably foolish the pleasure I take in them, but it’s pleasure nonetheless. Enough so that I bear the burden of my “better” half. I know why I’m doing it, and so it has meaning. Isn’t that the point?
Aspire away, Amigo…while your bust aspiring, aspire me up an absolutely no-risk, unpropagandized female, with an iron-clad guarantee she won’t take everything I own as well as my kids, and a large chunk of what I earn the rest of my life, as well as the money and the time to find, court and wed this fluke Wrong word choice in “fluke” maybe?)of modern female awesomeness and I’ll be right in there with bells on. However, until you can do that don’t compare what has happened in your life to what has happened in mine, or account yourself wiser for your choices than I for mine…Thanks! Lucky is not equivalent to wise.
“bust” should be “busy”…must be a Freudian slip. Heh! I guess that (bust – breast, whatever) should motivate me to roll the dice on what little is left of my lifespan. I guess I just don’t feel like paying for, with my life, a little roll in the hay.
YIV – mate, it’s not a matter of looking down or being judgmental – it’s a matter of the choice of values and deciding what it is one is living for. True, I am concerned about all the posts that center the universe around themselves. How do we build a society, much less a nation, on these values. But the more I read here, I understand that it is the society and the nation that’s pimping these values. A failed relationship, a messy divorce, financial extortion (actually financial rape seems a better term here) – makes roller derby seem tame by comparison. What I’m saying is that there are other models available, even in our day. Not perfect, no, but the values expressed and the payoff at the end has made it a good investment. Shall we call it – going for bust?
I’ll spend some time today trying to aspire you that woman. The pain in the ass I’m married to seems tame compared to the sharks many of you folks are describing.
The number one rule is don’t get married, even if you have kids. Secondly, make as much money as you can, invest, buy real estate, etc. But, don’t get married so that a woman can take half of it when she divorces you. If you want kids, have kids, share custody, get full custody if you can, but don’t get married. Plus, never support any public policy aimed primarily or solely at the benefit of women, like birth control. Make women be truly independent and self-supporting whenever possible instead of supporting the massive governmental support system we have now.
What color is the sky on your planet? On this planet, at least in this Country on this planet, if she throws a kid off you, you’re supporting the brat for life, maybe even if it isn’t yours if she’s living in a “marriage-like relationship” with you. Likewise, in most states, if she’s living in a “marriage-like relationship” with you, half of what you two acquire while she’s in that relationship is hers, even if she never contributed a dime; it was her wonderfulness in your bed that made you able to acquire it, so she’s entitled to half, well, technically an “equitable distribution,” but half is usually the answer.
One way to go Galt, without giving up the advantages conferred by the feminist movement (easy sex) would be to commercialize this kind of technology: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20236368
If it works as advertised, and if the insertion procedure is reasonably inexpensive (which it should be…vasectomies apparently cost under $1,000, and this is just a variation on that procedure) then it would level the reproductive rights playing field. Men would no longer have to rely on women claiming to be on the Pill. We wouldn’t have to stand idly by while our children were aborted. Likewise, men who didn’t want children couldn’t be saddled with 18 years of involuntary servitude.
It wouldn’t completely balance things as it would have no affect on court decisions or divorce rates, but it would be a start.
basic, no frills, core Christian values have served me well. one great wife for life, four great kids. every sacrifice i have made for faith and family has been worth it. the friends i have all believe and act that way. there are planty of us out here who have not bowed the knee to marital despair.
Dr. Smith,
Have you never heard of Warren Farrell author of “Why Men Are the Way They Are,” the only male to be invited to be on NOW’s board of directors as I seem to recall. He wrote a number of books, you can’t really be well grounded in the subject without perusing his material.
Of course I have heard of Warren Farrell–he’s terrific! I read the Myth of Male Power when it first came out. I have blogged about his work in the past and used much of his work in my book.
Dr. Helen,
I’d like to suggest that the first and (IMO) most important criterion for any man in our society today is to be comfortable in his own skin. Much of the feminist movement strives to set up a female benchmark (e.g., cooperation [female]is good, competition [male] is bad; men are always the agressors and women are always the victims, etc.)and when men are measured against that, they consistently fail. Imagine the tortured logic of “A women is not complete until she has a child, therefore a man can never be complete because he can’t bear children.” It’s much like the edutocracy that has catered to women’s learning styles and then wondered why men have abandoned it.
If one is not comfortable with one’s self, then one is lost from the get go. If one IS comfortable in one’s own skin it leads to an ability to see through all of the cultural gibberish. As for me, I am an overweight balding man in my late middle ages. Once I come to grips with that,I come to grips with reality. Once I come to grips with reality I become invulnerable to charges of racism, sexism, chauvinism and most of the other cultural “-ism” charges that people casually bandy about to make one feel guilty.
Google: female eggs for sale…the going rate is somewhere between $5k and $6k.
Google: Surrogate…the going rate is between $15k and $25k
So you can be a Pop for about $30k a pop….and the bicycle doesn’t need the fish.
The next question is that after 5 years…if you know who the egg donor is…could the father sue the mother for child support…and require a paternity test to prove who the mother is?
I’ve done the same thing as Your Inner Voice’s comment #36. I’m 55, the last social interaction I’ve had with a female that I would call a date was around the year 2000, and there were darn few of those even before then. I couldn’t stand playing a game where not only are the rules hidden, but are subject to change without notice. I don’t need or desire companionship that badly.
The only way of “going Galt” that I haven’t seen mentioned here is to try to legalize prostitution in every state in the U.S. I’m serious. The example of the brothels in Nevada is instructive. The women aren’t abused by pimps or customers, there is no disease or drug use in the Nevada brothels, and the women who work there protect themselves against unwanted pregnancy. Men who are only interested in women for sex could legally satisfy their needs at a reasonable cost and womankind in general won’t have to deal with those men. And with legality, more supply and competition the cost would come down. Everyone wins.
A good rule is: If it floats, flies, or f*(ks, rent it. Unfortunately, most men who are successful enough to be able to rent expensive things are hard wired to have our own and not be satisfied with the rental. And frankly, rented women will ruin your sex life with real women, at least most real women. Sorry, even if Susie in accounting is sexually experienced and enthusiastic, she is no competition for professional sexual athletes.
“And with legality, more supply and competition the cost would come down. Everyone wins.”
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Not everyone wins. The group of people on the losing end of a greater supply of easy sex to men are going to be people who make money off the tighter supply (and the manipulation of it).
Housewives (aka parasites) are not going to fare well, for one. Entitled princesses who don’t even realize the magnitude of their expectations on men around them are not going to fare well.
Maybe a fund could be set up for these women.
I never deliberately “went Galt” or tried to base my actions on changing society (good luck with that anyway). I simply never married because I thought it was an unequal / unfair situation and it would have bothered me.
I was engaged once decades ago. I noticed the woman I was engaged to started “mentioning” more and more that stay-at-home spouses have a hard job etc. My side was that I didn’t want a stay-at-home spouse if there were no kids involved (and, frankly, even after they were in school if there were kids). I would feel used. I would feel like all of the burden was unfairly put on me. The arguments were about that one issue. The breakup was preprogrammed with those conflicting views.
What drove me nuts back then was that no one saw my side of it. Men are SUPPOSED TO support women who just sit home. I also saw plenty of men get used by that situation, stretching back to the 1960s. The woman in the home next to my family’s home was paid alimony from around 1970 to around 1995 when the mule finally died. I just can’t understand that unfairness.
At least a few people are starting to wake up today and are starting to see the things I have always seen.
Because of the law of unintended consequences, and seeing the “results” that social engineers have obtained, I’m not big on making a social statement or checking out to influence society. But if you are going to get married, find out what the real scoop is. Don’t let societal pressure force you into it.
You can’t solve the moral component until you remove the legal and financial incentives that favor women over men in divorce court and domestic violence laws.
The example of the brothels in Nevada is instructive. The women aren’t abused by pimps or customers, there is no disease or drug use in the Nevada brothels, and the women who work there protect themselves against unwanted pregnancy. Men who are only interested in women for sex could legally satisfy their needs at a reasonable cost and womankind in general won’t have to deal with those men. And with legality, more supply and competition the cost would come down. Everyone wins.
Oh no, that removes the monopoly on the control of mens sexuality from women they don’t know and lowers the longterm wholesale price of the bride and ruins her portfolio of future cash harvests to subsidize an unearned lifestyle from men that women no longer want to have sex with.
i stay away from liberal women. most of my male friends are married and most of those women are very very dominating. i don’t throw stones, i just avoid the parties, the dinners and the nonsense. some of my buddies know why and some don’t. being in real estate i work with a lot of women so i , again just like friends and family, avoid those that complain about their hubbies, boyfriends and men in general. i am pro-life so when i am at a wedding or some such event, i make sure to sit by someone i know is not a feminist or at the least, an unknown.
I watched this one close up: My very conservative father (after a divorce from my mother – 40 years of marriage) got married very late in life to a woman who had 3 marriages behind her.
Why?
Anyway, he got Alzheimer’s disease soon after. The new wife simply threw out the trust, will and prenuptial agreement he had in place and took him after years of Alzheimer’s disease to a willing attorney. For money, LOL. Meaning the attorney drew up the new arrangements for money – ignoring the fact that he couldn’t even name his 2 children.
These women make me proud.
Old Guy:
As I get older, I worry less and less about “the world”, “Western Civilization”, or “society”, and more about my immediate neighbours.
This whole business about ‘Going Galt” is starting to sound like trying to escape from an insane asylum using the elevator. We’ll still be on the inside, just on a different floor.
The only way to leave is to find the main door, use it, and then try to live differently on the outside. Do tell others about the door, but let the asylum take care of itself. I believe traditionalism is one such door – perhaps not the only one.
The way for a man “Go Galt” is to find a woman who loves you, marry her, and endeavor each day to love her more than she loves you. By leaving all your cynicism and fear on the porch, you have the opportunity to separate yourself from the burdens of the day. Galt never wanted to be alone, only free.
You don’t have to avoid education, just avoid Universities and Colleges that are overloaded with diversity and compliance departments. You can get technical skills at Jr. Colleges and in the Military, also there are more and more online educational opportunities. Western Governors University programs are a way to avoid a lot of bumpf.
If you are interested in field like writing, history, or such a University or College is not a good place to go anymore. I’ve ran into too many College graduates who couldn’t write worth a dang. Also if you are in a “Blue” area, move out. You don’t have to be religious to benefit from the more stable social environment found in Red States.
I did not want to “Go Galt”, but since males over 50 don’t get hired, I am “Galt by default”.
I hope we double the taxes for those allowd to work to pay for the social cost of the wasted male potential…
I work at a hospital that caters to women. The CEO and most of the executives are women and it is a highly politically correct facility. Men are only about 10% of the employees and we have to be very careful about what we say and do.
I’m a very 1950′s kind of guy, except I wasn’t born until the late 50′s. I love women. My Mom and Grandmother were great inspirations in my life and I’m very much in love with my wife of 30 years.
In my experience working here for about 10 years is that most women want strong men to be their partners. Sure we need to be understanding and loving but what they really want is a man to be a man. They want men to open the door for them, lift a box for them and appreciate the way they look. And yes be the bread winner.
Around here you have to be careful but you can’t go wrong with a “you sure do look nice today”.
The only thing that really bothers me is that a slip of the tongue can get you fired for something just because she may be in a bad mood.
IMO Women want to be men in the workplace until it’s time to man-up and stand up.
Commenting on a woman’s appearance can get you written up on sexual harassment charges in many places. I wouldn’t recommend it.
My wife is a recently retired nurse. She’s told me many times that she preferred to work with and for men. She said that women were just too catty. It’s like they never matured past the level of junior high school.
I had a mostly female staff my last five or six years at work. The one thing I could count on making them stop hating on each other was for me to do something one of them didn’t like. Then they could all unify in sisterhood to hate on me.
That said, most of my new hires from ’99 until I retired in ’06 were young lawyers and I vastly preferred the women because they would actually work and didn’t feel so damned entitled. Some punk just out of law school with no experience at anything other than school, booze, sports, and movies walks in and wants the corner office, reserved parking, a pretty secretary, and wants to know when you’re retiring. The young guys have a LOT of self-esteem and very little reason to have it. They also have amazingly delicate egos, not a good thing for either a labor negotiator or an advocate. I had one who thought he was a real hotshot and he did do good research and writing. He had his first arbitration in which he would be the lead advocate coming up and our practice was to mock any case going to hearing. You put on a precis of your case and it was open season on you for the rest of the staff. He had really missed the central issue and just got savaged by the rest of the staff, most of whom were women and some of whom weren’t lawyers – the unkindest cut of all. He came in the next day and handed me his notice. I didn’t try to talk him out of it.
(1) The whole damn thing of relationships is a crapshoot based on hunches and guesses. That’s how life works. You commit to situations based on hunches and guesses. That’s how M&A or any other business deal works. Marriage is a bit different – more (much more) personal – but, still, hunches and guesses.
(2) The big hole in the analogy between marriage and M&A is that you’ve got unlimited monetary and psychic liability in marriage, not so much when fiddling with corporations.
(3) Practical advice – marry a non-American. Most Americans, male and female, believe that being on the Nth rung of Mazlow’s hiearchy is a given and a birthright. But it’s not. Nothing in life is a given, other than death. In my experience, every other culture other than our own knows this (except maybe the Canadians, but, ehh, they’re like N. Dakotans with pizazz). And it changes their attitude about things.
Mens’ only hope: Obamacare. Free sex changes for all of us!
Make love to close to 200 American born and raised women over the course of 15 years, then get luck and meet an Asian born and raised girl, marry her, and live relatively happily ever after. Worked for me.
Run, don’t walk, from ANY woman raised in this country.
What will happen is what is happening as men withdraw from the society that rejects and attemot to disemoower them. They will let the world run by women go to rot. It is and has been since the Ladies Temperance Union got their girdles in a bind. When the ladies faint and they will, a roughened creature will replace feminine wisdom for might makes right. Its going to be ugly. The men will right the society and the price women will pay is going to look like New Testament subserviance.
I hate to break this to you but men don’t consciously concern themselves with the concept. The questions imply that we gather in social circles somehow and establish a consensus about the platforms from which we all agree to proceed. Oh that we were that socially organized.
Look….the relationship between men and women in society is “generally” a parallel of men and women in a stereotypical marriage. Like any unhappy and unsatisfied wife, women (generally speaking) throw blame at us for what we feel is really misery of their own making and our gender (again generally) shrugs and comes to the equivalent social response of “will ya just quit fucking nagging us already”.
But like the microcosm of the nagging wife in the marriage, in the social macrocosm it’s still just not in your nature to leave us alone when you’re unhappy. And just like a nagged husband who would still like to get laid once in a while we learn to just tune you the heck out and go into “uh-huh” mode. We just keep our mouths shut and pursue other interests until the chance to we think you may be approachable and we might get lucky.
Now some men will play along with you(and usually go overboard) pretending to care about your concerns These men are known as metrosexuals. The rest of us just pursue other interests till we get the urge to give it another shot.
Going Galt isn’t the answer, but I’ve seen some interesting fantasies here. We need to organize just the same as NOW, but NOM would just suck. Perhaps Men Organized for Real Equality or MORE. I like that, considered it copyrighted. But I digress. We need a loud voice that will bitch and moan at every perceived injustice, every time a man is shown as an idiot on television, whenever a woman is promoted or hired ahead of a qualified man. We need members in the military to say “Men protect you and are treated as second class citizens”. I am willing to volunteer for such an organization, but lack capital to get it started. We need lawyers that will advise such a group pro bono, and money guys to do the same. It could be done with donations I guess. Let’s get started.
I love the name MORE, sounds better than NOM. There is actually a National Organization of men that Warren Farrell is co-president of that I found when I was doing research for my book but I wonder how much they get done. An organization for men should be huge and should lobby in DC and state capitols. I know many men hate this sort of thing–I don’t blame them–but it is crucial that men fight back against what is happening right now, if they don’t they will end up with coverture (a woman’s legal rights were subsumed by those of her husband) just like they had for women years ago. Actually, women already hold coverture in many aspects of marriage, relationships and sex. Men must fight this or they are looking at becoming second class citizens in a society that gives women the power over their lives. Men may not believe it but the state doesn’t care if men are in denial, in fact, the state prefers it.
“This whole business about ‘Going Galt” is starting to sound like trying to escape from an insane asylum using the elevator. We’ll still be on the inside, just on a different floor.
The only way to leave is to find the main door, use it, and then try to live differently on the outside.”
Don’t bother with the elevator or main door. Obvious routs to escape are heavily guarded. Find some like-minded friends and retake the building, or failing that, blow a hole in the wall.
;^)
Be a free man amongst free men and women.
Going Galt?
I thought that’s why we developed the internet and video games.
There’s another pundit (Roger Simon me thinks) here in the PJ’s who’s written a couple of times about the evolving misandry developing in our society, pondering the cause of it all. Then a couple of weeks ago I caught a part of a Doris Day and James Garner movie ‘The Thrill of It All’, 1963, where Day becomes a famous TV commercial model and her renowned physician husband Garner is relegated to the useless male.
Back in the commercial sponsor’s HQ where the team is discussing ways to increase Day’s recognition and air time the Account Exec says (something to the effect) ‘Get me one of those programs where the wife and family make the husband look stupid.’ Leads me to believe the training has been going on longer than many have suspected.
I have however, escaped the asylum long ago and no longer tolerate the controlling or condescending persons, whether in the work place, grocery store, or neighborhood.
‘Get me one of those programs where the wife and family make the husband look stupid.’
While on one hand they’re saying that the husband is a dumbass, they’re also saying the wife is a dumbass for marrying him.
Hey fish, I’m a bicycle.
Why do you think a majority of women are so opposed to pornography? It isn’t because pornography ‘objectifies’ women, it’s because it’s a threat to their power base.
Mrs Smith,
I am a fan of your husband’s and followed his link here. I feel I may be able to shed some light on your question. I have been “going galt” as you put it for over 10 years. I live and work outside of the united states, take all my income in through several small corporations I own (a feat made easier by the fact that as a corporate outsourcing consultant I tend to work fixed length contracts that are entered into between my client and my corp) and I refuse to even entertain the idea of dating, much less even entering into a relationship with, western women. In the decade I’ve been overseas, I’ve met women from East Europe, South America, Central America, and Asia. I have found them to be friendly, giving, loving, dedicated, loyal, and highly affectionate. everything that IMO western women are not. While I never had any trouble meeting women while living in the states I often found that I only rarely enjoyed interacting with American women in any other way than a sexual one. Since coming overseas however I enjoy every aspect of my relationships, from conversations to simply spending a quiet evening watching movies. To put it simply, I and many men like me, have simply taken ourselves out of the “market” because we couldn’t find quality women at home. I use every legal tax avoidance strategy for the same reason. I also advise my brothers, cousins, and friends not to even entertain the idea of having a relationship with (or god forbid being married to)and American woman. While I realize that not all American women are the self-centered, entitled, selfish, users most are, the ratio of quality women to crap in america is just too high to take them seriously.
This is a topic so compelling, eliciting so many interesting responses here, that I scarecely know where to begin. Inevitably, the answers to your question are partially biographical. It is therefore worth noting that I represent a transitional generation. I am in my early forties. I was in the last all-male class to graduate from my boarding school, and I was in the last all-male class in my eating club at Princeton. Furthermore, I am the oldest of four children with three younger sisters whom I adore. It was my privilege to be married briefly (four years) as a young man, but we had no children.
I now live like an adolescent, and I hate every minute of it. Nothing would make me happier than to re-marry and have children. Yet, I have found no other choice than to go Galt.
How could such a state of affairs come about? Of course, personal issues are invariably part of the problem, but much of it also reflects our broader culture. Feminism has produced a culture in which the gold-digging whore (please forgive my language) represents the highest achievement of the fulfilled modern woman. Sadly, many men have responded by becoming women themselves in all but name. Still other men insist on behaving like pimps, notably the repulsive ‘Pick-Up Artist’ movement – craven ‘boy-toys’ with the temerity to call themselves alpha males (a technical term normally applied to the status of a male among males – not females). Naturally, the man who prefers to define himself under these conditions is worthless in our culture.
I use the term “gold-digging whore” because it gets to the fundmental issues: money is paramount and sex is indiscriminate. In the late 1990s I made a small fortune and women were all over me. I lost it, and it was like I ceased to exist among those same women. Now that I am on the cusp of making it back, the notion of trusting a woman is inconceivable. Alas, I can only live in the world as I experience it.
As for sex, it is so readily available as to be positively depressing. The sense of conquest and/or love, which once made my pursuit of women so wonderful, is meaningless now. I literally breath a sigh of relief when a women doesn’t want sex within hours of our first meeting. I certainly don’t need to run up my tally – I lost count years ago, which is itself disgusting. One of the best things in life is now irredeemably sordid.
It should be acknowledged that the proportion of good women is much lower than that of good men (which is low enough as is). Accordingly, men who don’t marry quickly are out of luck unless they are arrogant jerks or rich. What remains for the single man is not pretty. The English poet and mystic, Aleister Crowley, once developed a typology of women based on the observation that when a woman loves, she loves completely. Borrowing his typology, there are three types of women in the post-30 world: those who love only themselves (by far the largest group), those who love only their careers, and those who love only their children (given to them by some arrogant jerk who then dumped them). Only the last category is marriageable, as they at least have some healthy human emotions. However, a man must be prepared to be very, very low on her list of priorities.
Seriously, why would any man bother under these circumstances? I am lonely, but at least I can look myself in the mirror without shame.
Well here’s my $.02 as someone who’s a little older and more invested in the current system. Wait until the last of your kids are 18. Get a divorce. Yeah it’s expensive but it’s worth it. Wish your ex good luck. Then, do whatever you want.
Does Glen enjoy watching you pick the brains of lesser men Helen? Hmm, that may be pertinent to this thread too,Ya?
1) A male version of the Pill. Has to be made. Would fundamentally change the game.
2) No lib women.
3) Forget the mail order brides. They’re gone as soon as they get the green card.
4) Make sure she has a job. Idle hands are the devil’s play ground.
5) Make prostitution legal. Remember, you don’t pay them for sex, you pay them to go away.
Other than that? Ill quote Bender from Futurama. “Screw you guys! I’ll go built my own amusement park, with black jack, and hookers!…. You know what, forget the amusement park!”
What I’ve been doing is not paying for cable, and avoiding shows where men are portrayed as dunces. I purchase the shows I WANT to watch, and the extra plus is I don’t have to sit through commercials that also denigrate men. As for that, companies that make really anti-men ads like Dairy Queen lose my business.
Like many men my age I “pumped and dumped” many American Harpies until I found and married a smart, loving, feminine Filipina. The “women” at my work were so upset and catty about that, saying a wanted I “subservient” little wife. Most of their marriages are on the Rocks, and they say the Worst things about their husbands..it’s so sad. Funny thing is, in my community I’ve been seeing A LOT of men with Asian or other foreign Brides,and this men tend to be Well Off. American women don’t realize the damage they are doing to themselves.
Now it’s time to get ‘Hank Rearden’ on the “You love us. You’ll take care of us. It’s your duty.” ‘Kids’.
Are men “going Galt”? Some are, but not enough to make a difference. If men were really serious about making a statement that they are tired of being marginalized by our society, they would organize and conduct labor stoppages, strikes, and similar actions. The countless men who fix things, build things, repair things, and design and manufacture things are taken for granted precisely because they show up for work everyday and do their jobs.
Re: “Choosing the slacker/player lifestyle stops much of the wealth transfer from talented and productive men to lazy and exploitative women, and treats them as the sluts and gold-diggers they aspire to be. Men are the engine that pulls the wagon the Feminists ride in. Men do all the jobs that create wealth.” Well-said, Old Guy, and precisely true…. so when do we stop pulling the wagon? Either that, or throw out the feminists?
I have as friends a number of professional men who have “gone Galt” intentionally in the last 20 years, and would like to answer Dr. Helem’s questions.
How do you go Galt?
Dr. Charles F. Sumner, III, MD, DDS, JD, at the age of about 50 a) gave away his 11 man periodontal practice, gratis, to the other perios in his practice, b) ceased being active in creating the technology of periodontics, c) refused to remarry after his divorce; d) bought and small cottage to live VERY inexpensively in a Bay Area suburb, and made a minimum amount of money to sustain his life by performing emergency periodontal surgery in local hospitals.
All of the men I know who have “gone Galt”, have reduced there personal consumption to the minimum necessary to maintain a very modest personal lifestyle, intentionally reduced their incomes, paid no or very little income taxes, terminated the medium to large enterprises and professional practices employing many people, and most of all ceased creating new knowledge and technologies… ceased their creative activities.
Dr. Smith, MD Internal Medicine department head at a major HMO, said “I was told I was not needed anymore.” The dispute with young female MDs was over MD Intern and Resident’s hours, and board certification requirements for medical specialties. The women wanted 40 maximum work week (for the same pay) irrespective of community medical needs which vary, and sometimes require MDs to work upwards of 70+ weeks. Dr. Smith’s position was doctors practice the number of hours needed by the community and patients. The female MDs also wanted board certifications qualifications reduced to allow more foreign trained MDs to practice in hospitals (which might reduce the quality of medical care). Dr. Smith was forced out of his chairmanship in his dispute with the young women. Dr. Smith left medicine at the age of 48 completely and now buys a few rental homes, and maintains them a handyman for his five rentals.
Space does not allow me to go into the Ph.Ds in EE, MS Mathematics, and other men outside the field of medicine who have “gone Galt” by simply dropping out of their contributions to society, reducing it to the minimum. Very bright men simply refuse to create anything except what they need for their personally survival. In this way they “go Galt”. Its easy. Stop producing benefits for society as a whole.
All of the professional men I’ve talked with regarding dropping out of all creative activities, including my own opinion since I “went Galt” 15 years ago, reducing income, and executive-professional responsibilities all say, in different words, they don’t believe the American economy, society, and culture can continue without either total failure, as a civilization, or very serious devolving if the famine values, articulated into policy, and then into law persist. So the question for Dr. Sumner and so many other men is “Can I go on honestly contributing to a economy, society, and nation whose feminine values are so corrupted that it will fail in chaos/cease to exist, or devolve significantly? Its an ethics question each male must answer for himself. Its not a question of viability, or fighting back.
Dr. Dunson, DDS, answered this question another way, “Let It ALL Burn.” All these men agree society and civilization will cease to exist, devolve dramatically if the Progressive feminist policies and laws continue. They believe this both in human male behavioral terms as an outcome/effect, and as an operational fact. These men feel as I do that you do not contribute to drug addicts who are bringing about not only their own destruction, but their male children and female children as well. It becomes an ethical duty then to withdraw and NOT contribute to women who have very highly self destructive group and civil organizational values.
Do you tacitly support and condone values, policies, and law you have analytic certainty will destroy your children, and your friends’ children? This is the question these men are answering for themselves.
The US is now thirty years into these trends, and at the back end of the effect of feminist values being enacted into law. And the back end of the economic-societial curve.
Mayor Reed of San Jose (who has not yet “gone Galt”) in an interview article in Vanity Fair under the subtitle “City of Broken Dreams”, said “we have to rethink what ‘society’ means.” The City of San Jose is one of the largest in the nation, and VERY feminist Progressive. It is becoming non-society, non-civilization because feminist Progressive values in law don’t work to hold society together in cities, counties, and states.
When brighter men go Galt they are refusing to contribute to a government and society they believe will fail economically and in governance. It is not particularly a way to fight back– the men I know are so able they can take care of themselves working part time– and it is good for the men individually, in the sense they carry far less responsibility as a result of going Galt, and they work fewer hours. But it is a way ultimately, collectively, to bring about change.
This is a long and incomplete answer to Dr. Helen’s questions.
Re: “Women who respect themselves and respect men are out there … but they may be in small towns instead of big cities, at churches instead of bars, and in the reddest of red states.” DRJ, how right you are! After being worked over throughly by a post-modern feminist girlfriend in my (foolish) youth, I met and married a truly wonderful traditional woman from rural America…. and it has proven to be the best decision of my life. She is a hard worker, competent, self-supporting, gorgeous, witty, and immensely enjoyable to be around. She is as smart as they come, has rock-solid values, and we love one another dearly. She hates what feminism has done to men, as much as I do, and votes accordingly. We’ve been married 20 years and still going strong. We’re “going Galt” together, over the aspects of modern life that we dislike. Men, women aren’t the enemy… if you feel that way, you aren’t hanging out with the right one.
I will encourage, and I urge all other men in western societies who work with and train boys and young men to likewise encourage the males they encounter to NOT join the military, NOT to become any kind of peace officer or work in Law Enforcement or Corrections in any way, and NOT to become a Fire Fighter, EMT or Paramedic. ArmageddonRex, prior to Obama, I frequently used to tell young people with whom I interacted, to consider the armed forces as a choice…. but I have since seen the error of my ways, and no longer counsel them to do so. In fact, I specifically steer them away from it now.
Addendum: Younger males growing up are now reading sites like In Mala Fide, Roosh V and his Forums, Chateau Heartiste, etc. They’re learning about Game, Female Hypergamy , and starting location independent businesses.A Lot of these kids are motivated and already heading overseas. Check out those sites and tell me what you think it bodes for (typical) American Women.
“How about getting a job, getting married, and getting on with it?”
As long as the “it” entails running the risk of losing your kids, your income, your house and your self-respect, could someone please explain why anyone would do anything other than the first piece of advice?
I’m nearly 60; but if I were 35 years younger, marriage would be the absolute LAST thing I’d be considering. Sorry, ladies: your game isn’t worth the candle anymore.
We’re men so let’s quit bitchin’ and start solvin’. My idea: men need to be very picky. Pretty and into you shouldn’t be enough to interest you (in her as a wife).
It wasn’t until I was into my mid-40′s that I realized that it was fine and NORMAL that most women weren’t interested in me. Most men have a single checkmark that determines whether they pursue: is she hot? (Well, also, Am I desperate?)
Women have a grocery list. If you aren’t every item on their list, they’ll walk away, unless you tickle their fancy with the kind of games described at Chateau Heartiste. Which is easier to do than most men think.
If you’re the kind of man who isn’t particularly interested in pump & dump–you want family, kids, community, connection, all that corny stuff–you need a grocery list.
Only a minority of American women deserve to be married to a good man. If you’re a good man, say that in the mirror every morning. And write your list, on paper. And read it and mean it and man up and reject women who don’t measure up, no matter how much you want to eff them.
For 5,000 years, the dream of monarchs and of the élite has been to turn men into robots, into puppets…
With feminism, they have come as close to it as possible in a democracy,
with judges and other parasites “providing financial incentives for mothers to divorce”…
All men (and women) should read Stephen Baskerville ‘s
“Taken Into Custody” (The War Against Fathers, Marriage, and the Family),
excerpts of which can be found on No Pasarán:
http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2008/06/witch-hunts-in-contemporary-america-is.html
…The regime of involuntary divorce, forcible removal of children, coerced child support, and knowingly false accusations is now warping our entire legal system, undermining and overturning principles of common law that have protected individual rights for centuries. The presumption of innocence has been inverted
… This simply extends well-established findings that increased welfare payments result in increased divorce. In this case, however, a dimension of law enforcement is added, which effectively becomes a system of federal divorce enforcement … In other words, a mother can simply escape the uncertainties, vicissitudes, and compromises inherent to life shared with a working husband by divorcing, whereupon she acquires the police as a private collection agency who will force him, at gunpoint if necessary, to pay her the family income that she then controls alone.
Not every man is an alpha male. There’s a lot of us beta males working tirelessly behind the scenes. That doesn’t mean we are all a bunch of effeminate metrosexuals. We take our cues from the alpha males and when the alpha males end up getting taken to the cleaner in a divorce or end up paying the mortgage for some dirtbag who “jodie’d” his wife we then know what not to do.
So we work and we pick up some “strange” on the side to hold us over. Currently the alpha male role to emulate is the one who has a steady girl but has told her that he is never getting married. Ever. Again.
Not getting married or having children is a good start for men but there has to be much more. We need older men to teach the younger generation just how screwed they really are. You’ll have to reach them through means women consider misogynistic. There should be plenty of programs on Spike detailing how men are failing in our feminist dominated society. Maxim and Stuff magazines should also have monthly articles about guys who were screwed by women. We need to propagandize to young men at every turn.
The war of the sexes is in full swing and most guys don’t even know they’re being fired on. Until we start firing back at those who would oppress us, take our life savings, deprive us of our children, and generally ruin our lives nothing will change.
Women own the legal game during divorce and men have no recourse except to sit back and say “Thank you ma’am, may I have another”.
In Massachusetts the lifetime alimony law was recently thrown out. For years men had railed against the injustice of paying alimony until one of the parties died. When they went to the legislature to complain feminist groups pounced on them as misogynists. Beaten into submission they never brought up the idea again.
Fast forward a few years. Men are out of work or taking pay cuts just to find employment. They still owe lifetime alimony to an ex-wife somewhere. However, many of these guys are re-married. Their new wives are feeling the financial strain of their lifetime commitment and want something done about it. A group forms and calls themselves “The Second Wives Club” and petitions the legislature to throw out lifetime alimony laws. Their ideas are quickly accepted and pass easily through the legislature. The Governor signs it in front of a group of women who were forced to pay lifetime alimony to their ex-husbands and all is well.
That my fellow ball swinging buddies is the only way things will ever get done. Until women are affected financially by the same laws that have been putting men into debtors prison nothing will change. Women have to ask for the change because most men can’t stand up to the heat of being called a misogynist.
The essence of “going Galt” in any context is to challenge its ultimate implications by putting them into practice. That is: think through the implications of The System, from its fundamental premises and hypotheses all the way to their furthest stops, and then conduct yourself exactly according to their demands. Consider: Economically, in a System that excoriates creators, producers, and capitalists, it means going almost completely limp: making just enough money to sustain your life, but creating nothing from which others can derive a profit or make further advances.
In terms of gender relations, what is The System and what implications follow from it?
1. Premise: Men have “oppressed” women and therefore, women are owed some form of retribution.
2. Premise: Women are men’s equals, not merely before the law, but in every imaginable way.
3. Hypothesis: If women were to do all the traditionally male jobs, they would be done just as well as men have done them.
4. Implication: Let women do those jobs.
Okay, where shall we start?
– Police
– Military
– Firefighting
– Subsurface work (e.g., mining)
– Jobs involving high risk of exposure to hazardous substances
– Miscellaneous emergency services (e.g., paramedical, mountain and water rescue)
That list might not be exhaustive, but those are the major “dirty chancies” that men have dominated for centuries. Some women have entered those fields, but very few in proportion to the ongoing preponderance of men. If men were to “go Galt” in their gender relations, we would swiftly find out how well those jobs would be done with only women in them.
It won’t happen, of course. At least, not in America. With some exceptions, American men are still men: self-respectful, self-reliant, willing to prove themselves against challenges and hardships, and (brace yourselves, ladies) protective of women. The American male psyche will not be swiftly rewired.
But one of the implications of that observation is that women’s carping about their imagined lowly status in American society will evoke a steady increase in men’s resentment of their objectively lowly status. Resentment, when it reaches a certain level, will occasion outbreaks of resistance and retaliation, which will span a wide spectrum. As the major media are aligned with the notion that women currently get the short end of the stick, they’ll use those incidents to fan the flames, and things will get worse.
Hm, it seems I’ve predicted a real “war of the sexes,” to take the place of the one women imagine to exist in the present day. I doubt either men or women will like it much.
Going Galt cannot [properly] happen w/o understanding and completely rejecting the ethics (and every demand that comes with those ethics) of the parasites.
Further, Going Galt requires having ethics of your own that completely support your right to exist for your own sake (without apology, without throwing a bone to the parasite).
We are light years from these prerequisites, in my estimation.
“We are light years from these prerequisites, in my estimation.”
Perhaps on a global/societal level. But then “going Galt” by the unstated definition is an individual decision and if we all did it then it would no longer be “going Galt”.
To answer Helen’s question:
1. be self-employed and self-reliant;
2. find a smart woman who respects you.
Don’t have kids.
How I went Galt on women: I had no interest in getting married or having children so I just dated for 30 years, from age 20 to 50. I dated women until they realized that I was not going to marry them and they moved on. Sometimes I had one woman for 3 or 5 years, sometimes I had 3 or 5 women in a year.
At 50 my marriage clock went off and I married my intern, 19 years younger and had 2 sons. I’m not afraid of her leaving and taking everything because she’s from Europe and would move back and if she wants custody she would have to agree to let me keep my stuff. And she has property of her own.
So I feel I had it all, 30 years of a carefree bachelor life, building up my assets, traveling around the world, no obligations. And now, I’m settled down with 2 sons and a young wife. This is something women can’t do. Their baby-making has a limited window.
I just worry about the world my boys are going to live in. Maybe it will be a wonderland of free hookups whenever they want, but they better be careful of false rape charges and false paternity claims. Someone should write a book for them…
Gone Galt about 5 years ago.
Took it on the chin at 3 jobs in a row, all dominated by females and the little tricks they pull.
Now? No one gets the fruits of my labor. Just me.
It’s amazing how much you need to defend this choice to people around you.
I don’t know if others have made this point (because you have too many comments), but the way I went Galt was to acquire “traditional female” skills for myself so I didn’t have to rely on a woman. For example, I learned to shop, cook (inculding canning, breadbaking, etc.), do home accounting, and to sew (even buying a sewing machine on layaway). By the time I eventually got married (mid-30′s), I could do all of these well, but my wife none (except the accounting). I know this is not really what you had in mind, I believe, but it seems to fit now.
You underestimate the impact that the criminalization of American society is having on the Male Galt phenomenon. Conrad Black points out that 48 million americans have been convicted of crimes. The vast majority of these ‘criminals’ are men and the vast majority of the crimes they are convicted of were misdemeanors or hardly enforced 30 years ago. But once tagged as a felon, a man’s chance of finding decent employment plummets – he gets pushed to the edge of our society. Indeed if BHO or GWB had grown up under today’s enforcement, they would never have gotten anywhere near the White House – they’d be felons. I have an 18 year old son and I am terrified for him. Eventually there will be enough men that have no stake in the society that chaos will ensue.
Marry a capable, ambitious, intelligent woman and move to a state with a low cost of living. It’s what we did and I quit practicing law in 2007 as a result. Though I’ve got to say, dealing with two teenage boys 24/7 is on par with dealing with insane entertainment executives, so my stress level is about the same. Nothing is on par with having to put up with teenage girls.
A “capable, ambitious, intelligent woman” is fine when she is your ally. But when she turns into your enemy, because the relationship has ended badly and she has decided that (1) it’s your fault; (2) you deserve to be punished and (3) she is going to punish you, then that “capable, ambitious, intelligent woman” is likely to become your worst nightmare.
Women are far too treacherous to risk it. Look at the society that they have created with forty years of feminazi bigotry.
1. Consider emigration. Not just in the abstract: actually plan emigration, even if you aren’t going to. Ask yourself what country to move to, if things get worse. Visit the country; try to work there for a short time to see what it is like; learn the language. Make sure that at least some of your assets are liquid.
Realistically, the best hope most people have to beat the system is to emigrate.
NB: “most people” is not the same as “most American people”: the latter are probably better off moving to another State. For now.
Not all countries are the same: I know a Danish professor who got alimony from his higher-earning ex-wife, and perfect symmetry in their custody over their children.
BTW never marry a Finnish woman. Google “Eric Comet” to find out why.
2. Only get married if:
2a. you want children, your would-be wife also wants them, and you can have them
2b. you realistically think it’s going to be forever, but at he same time
2c. you can get out of it with no major damage: talk to a lawyer about this; consider a pre-nuptial agreement; plan paternity tests for all your children.
3. Cohabitation and fatherhood have legal implications: again, talk to a lawyer before getting involved in either.
4. Make friends with a couple of lawyers, so you don’t have to pay for their opinions.
5. Only get involved with women whom you don’t deserve: richer and/or much younger. (Easier said than done.)
6. Remember: only the paranoiac survive.
PS: to address the questions in the last paragraph:
My advice is meant primarily in the interest of individual men (who, however, take it at their own risk). I am enough of a realist to think that very few people could possibly follow advice of no advantage to them, or to the people closest to them.
My advice goes against the interests of women who intend to sponge off their ex-husbands, and I have no regrets about that.
The advice to be ready to emigrate applies to single women and to couples as well as single men.
Point 2b, when adopted by a man, is also in the interest of his prospective wife: who’d want to marry a man who isn’t sure it’s going to be forever?
Finally, the way in which I think this might help society: if enough men adopt my advice, then most women will learn to face reality, and laws will have to change.
I learned early in my career that the gummint threatened to transfer great portions of my income and wealth to women, mainly through socialist marriage, breeding and “education” programs. So I decided to use marriage as a weapon in my game plan to screw the gummint back.
First I got sterilized, knowing that inadvertent breeding can saddle a man with debt for over 20 years. Then I resolved to minimize work while maximizing play and travel.
So early on, I married a foreign woman with kids who was OH SO HAPPY to gain American citizenship for herself and her brood, not to mention the guaranteed social-security benefits based on my income once she turned 62 after only ten years of marriage to me. She showed her gratitude immeasurably during the 10 years before we divorced as earlier agreed, whereupon I repeated the same with a (10-year younger than me) foreign mother of two, who likewise showed her gratitude for 10 years. In a 40 year period, I repeated that arrangement 4 times, each time to a much younger woman, of course, to the great benefit of everyone concerned.
Every one of the women gained citizenship for herself and her children and a guaranteed income from the US gummint at age 62.
Now I’m retired and looking to continue the screwjob, and now I have the choice of marrying a young foreign woman with kids again, and if I adopt the kids they would get an additional 80% of my SS benefits for up to 19 years, whether I’m dead or alive. On the other hand, if I marry a foreign woman my age, she qualifies for citizenship and 50% of my SS benefits for the rest of her life, whether I’m dead or alive. In either case, I’m sure she will show her gratitude, just as the others did.
Get sterilized and use marriage to a foreigner as a weapon!
don’t you run the risk of additional alimony and child support every ten year cycle?
Dr. Helen,
After going through financial male rape, otherwise known as divorce, several years ago, I’ve gone “Galt” with regards to women in two ways. The first is in my approach to relationships. For example, I’ve been in a serious relationship with a woman for about a year now (I’m 48 she’s 40). When we first started seeing each other, I made it clear that things have changed in the way I view relationships, in light of my separation and divorce, and that I was interested in being with her but not in the traditional way in that we maintain separate lives and see each other mostly on the weekends when we could. She appeared to be OK with it and things went well for several months, until recently. She started not so subtly hinting at being more “together” and wanting me to meet her family and come over for her family events etc., which I resisted. It came to a head a few weeks ago with her exploding and demanding that we take our relationship to another “level.” It was a long and heated conversation that culminated with me telling her that not only was I not interested in living with someone again but that until the divorce laws in this country drastically change there was no way I would even consider getting married again and that I would never again go through not only the financial ruin but the emotional devastation that the divorce courts wreak on men. I also explained that if that was unacceptable to her that I would understand if she wanted to end it. As you might expect she was not happy. However, after a few days, she came around and we’re still seeing each other, on my terms. I want to be clear that I do care for her and enjoy being with her. It’s just that I will never put myself in a position again where someone who professes to care about me, on a whim, can ruin my life, take half of everything I own, and on top of everything make me pay them (alimony) for the pleasure. And yes, I was forced to pay alimony despite the fact my ex is a CPA and makes roughly the same as I do.
The second way I’ve gone Galt is in advising young men every chance I get to reconsider relationships and marriage using my divorce experience as an example. In my own way, bit-by-bit, I try to open eyes and educate the younger generations of men on how the feminists over the last 40 years have created a society that denigrates men on so many levels through the education system (curriculum, Title IX etc.,) through punitive laws that favor women, and culturally through the way men are portrayed as idiots and buffoons, or as being an unnecessary afterthought to empowered women. When these young men hear about the hell I went through, it grabs their attention. I don’t know if I’ve changed their minds, but at least I get them to think about it.
LI
“don’t you run the risk of additional alimony and child support every ten year cycle?”
Good question wtlf555.
Here in Texas we can customize and sign pre-nuptials that determine rights upon divorce. Ours always said that my earnings, wealth and inheritances were all mine, and for her the same. The only legal claim she had to my wealth was through my will.
Since I never adopted the kids, I never assumed any duty of child-support. That did not stop me, however, from deducting them as dependents on my income tax returns. I was a free man living with a free woman and her kids, very happy together for 10 years.
A big mistake the Amerikan man makes is having anything to do with Amerikan women. They are fat, spoiled and high-maintenance compared with, say, a Brazilian from Fortaleza or a Cuban. Those women will treat you very well, though the Brazilian woman is inclined to kill you for looking at other women, while the Cuban woman is likely to be well-educated and more liberated.
I guess I should write a book.
some really sorry people have posted on this thread. Negativity is not really going john galt.
I went john galt long before I knew the name. I got my 15 year old girl friend pregnant when I was 15. Her very well to do father got me thrown in jail and now I am a registered sex offender for the rest of my life. Yes I did time as a 16 year old. This was a long time ago. I was forced to work night jobs to go to school. Felons didn’t get aid then. I got a good education got a job by lying about no felonies, saved a lot of money, bought some land and retired to it. I get nothing from the state or government. I raise the great majority of my own food. I barter or sell food items for things I need. I even trade labor with a doctor for treatment which I get in my home. I edit several websites for cash or in one case drink. I do things for people, many people on a strictly friends only cash or trade basis. I ride an american made motor cycle which gets better gas mileage than just about any car(it serves way too well as a “chick” magnet). My savings are still growing. Along the way I have been in quite a few relationships with women. The honest women are still my friends. I have three children that I helped raise and the first I have never met. I council my kids to never share money with a partner and to always try to save 10% of every paycheck. To Keep separate accounts. (Sharing money is where almost all relationships have problems…) To be true to themselves and to be as honest as possible and to do their best to hurt no one. The three kids I know are all on their way to being wealthy and are happy. One is a lifer in the army and plans to retire after 20 years. He’ll be 39. Another is working toward opening a rural repair all shop. He has had quite a few different jobs and it presently back in school to learn CNC machining. He has made a long list of friends who believe like he does. He has enough saved to live on for several years and his wife works from home. The third got a degree in nursing and is presently a traveling nurse pulling in big bucks working three days a week, while going to school part time online to get a master degree in nursing. All are going to step out of the sytem when it is right for them. That is my description of going John Galt. I also vote for the candidate that is closest to being a libertarian
Sorry to hear of your plight, Legio Invictus. It’s a story I’ve heard quite a few times and lots of them have even involved foreign female gold-diggers, principally Koreans.
Too bad there aren’t self-defense courses for men covering Male Rape by Women. Here is a good summary of the Texas provisions concerning pre-nuptials, useful to prudent men not blinded by love:
http://www.austindivorcelawattorney.com/documents/PDFs/Lorenzana_Law_Firm_PC_-_Brochure_-_Texas_PreNuptial_Agreements.pdf
I suppose I went Galt by never getting married. I have a good job, and dont spend that much, so I have plenty of savings, and live comfortably, although not lavishly. I am concerned about not having anybody to help me when i get old. But I have noticed too many friends who ended up getting divorced, and losing everything, estranged from their kids, with no companions or kids to help them in old age anyway. So the get married for old age security meme looks to me like a long odds game today anyway. I figure if you are likely to be alone in old age anyway, you might as well be rich and alone, rather than divorced, poor, and alone.
As for you women bemoaning the lack of marriageable men, and men not being willing to committ, you had better look to yourselves and your sisters for the reason. Leaving a husband who cant hold a job, beats you, has an affair, or treats you like dirt, is one thing. But leaving otherwise stable husbands because you aren’t fullfilled, he isn’t exciting enough, or good looking enough, and he doesn’t understand you, and then taking him to the cleaners in a divorce, and estranging his kids, do you wonder why not enough men want to get married anymore. You make it even worse if you narrow the field by only considering men that are as educated, wealthy, and good looking, as you. Especially since there are plenty of women who will have unmarried sex. If you want better husbands, start becomming better wives.
Going Galt, old time style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry2td7q5ZMc
Hi Dr. Helen!
If somebody hasn’t mentioned it before, VASECTOMIES! I made a half-hearted effort to see the number of vasectomies done in the US and didn’t succeed in finding data, but that is definitely one thing men are doing to “go Galt” if not the single most important thing they can do to “go Galt” because it eliminates the single most powerful tool women have over men in the courts WHILE eliminating the single most expensive item a person is ever likely to pay for.
Cpt.
Another great post, Dr. H.
I’m late to the party, but I’d like to add one thing that I do on a regular basis that might classify as going Galt. It might seem petty, but it’s my small act of nonviolent resistance give that I work in a field that has a slight female majority:
I don’t help women with things that used to be a gentleman’s duty.
I don’t go out of my way to hold doors open for women.
I don’t volunteer to move desks or heavy objects.
When women whine about misfiring cars or slow computers, I don’t offer to help fix the problems.
When they fish for compliments, I don’t take the bait.
Etc, etc, etc.
Going Galt is mostly psychological. Society pushes this idea on to you that getting approval of women makes you a man. Even men do it to each other – we rate each other’s status by the women we are around.
Secondly, every man gets rejected over and over again. So when he is in a relationship he gains confidence. This gives a woman enormous power over a man.
Going Galt is about not playing this game, and realizing one’s intrinsic worth. That is what self-actualization is really about. It is not so much about leaving the world, rather it is about living with your own values in the same world. Relationships may or may not happen….but if they do, they’ll be great ones.
Funkmeister, post 67, that was so elegantly written I felt that I was reading the opening narrative of a novel set in a future dystopia…Amazing stuff!
My question is this: What triggered the breakdown that allowed women to say “We’re taking over!”
Was it technology? The progress of men bestowed on mankind in the form of dishwashers, corporate farms, television, air conditioning, cars?
Was it the failure of the previous generation to knock that non-sense out of their daughters while they were still young?
Was it the wealth of modern society that allowed women to become so haughty?
Or was it an inevitable consequence of a radical and free nation, that eventually one group would rise to oppress another through the legal framework?
Dr Helen,
My version of going Galt was moving in with my mother. At first I was teased as a ‘Cliff Claven’ but a lot of the guys have come around to the idea now. I see no better person to spend my wealth and labor on. We are not lonely and support each other and get on great. It’s not like I can’t afford to be on my own either. I am a P.E. and I do have responsibilities. Hymowics would still just pigeon hole me to ‘emerging adult’ despite my nearing middle age because I play poker with my bros, work out, play video games, and generally enjoy my lifestyle and still do not have any interest in marriage. I don’t worry about divorce theft, supporting somebody else’s kid, accusations, and a lot of other things that go with marriage 2.0.
The real reason for erectile dysfunction is menopause.
This is one case in which offshoring is a plus. My first two wives were born and raised in the US. Youth played a part in the demise of the first, but the total time on paper that those two marriages lasted was 6 years–less in fact.
My wife now–third time’s the charm–escaped Communist Romania before the fall and we have been married for 13 years, together for 15. It is as easy as breathing.
Cast a wider net. Don’t settle. Save Galt for Obama.
Wow. What a thread.
I just celebrated my 40th with my true love. The 2nd for both of us (back in the day it wasn’t strange to marry before 20). My first left me when I enlisted, her’s left when she got pregnant.
We had two kids of our own (plus I adopted her son when he was 9 months old).
Truly thru sickness and health. Times of money and times of near poverty. Thru hysterectomy and cancer. We have always been there for each other.
She has always been a 50′s style wife. Rarely did conventional work, kept house, raised kids, supported me. She always had her art to fill empty time, especially now with all the rug rats gone…and the sex gets horrifying better the longer we are married.
I understand how lucky I was to meet her.
You guys were born too late. Women today are bent, broken, and mutilated by feminism. My lovely, intelligent, and sweet daughter (a graduate of an all-girl college) has a bad habit of seeing her mother through a feminista-lens. Still single at 36, doncha know.