Mitt Romney Versus The End of Western Civilization
Bye.
There is an old British saying — I’ve never been able to find the source of it — “Cometh the hour, cometh the man.” The idea, of course, is that when a crisis arises, a leader will also arise to show the way out of it. By this faith too the ancient Hebrews lived in the period of the Judges when they followed God — and no one man — as their king.
But those of us who feel the upcoming presidential election represents a crossroads of sorts are starting to find this faith in providential leadership somewhat shaken. We’re starting to think that if the man is cometh-ing he better hurry-eth up and geth here already.
Because Mitt Romney ain’t the guy. While he may win the Republican presidential nomination by default — and while he may indeed win the presidency due to desperation — it is clear from every word he says that he understands neither the peril nor the needs of the present moment. Even his supporters seem to realize that he’s not really what is called for. Even his own political strategy — don’t mess up, cling to around 23 percent of the primary voters while other candidates rise above briefly and fall below permanently, force the earliest decision possible before someone better comes along and takes the prize away — indicates that Romney himself comprehends he is no one’s idea of the nation’s savior.
The professionals and money guys in the Republican establishment don’t seem to mind that. As always, they feel that they are the old pros who take care of the all-important business of electability while we children in the base worry about such nonsense as principle and the preservation of the republic. It’s these establishment types who have traditionally delivered the truly electable choices like Bob Dole and John McCain while staunchly protecting us from extremists like Ronald Reagan. On Fox News’ Journal Editorial Report this weekend, the Wall Street Journal‘s Dorothy Rabinowitz — a cultural commentator I esteem for both her fearlessness and her insight — seemed to give voice to that establishment opinion when she said that “reason is going to have to prevail” among conservatives and that they’ll ultimately have to abandon the likes of Herman Cain and “all of the alternatives that are warming their little hearts, that they’re playing with,” and learn to live with Romney as their guy.
As far as being “REASONABLE” and settling for Romney goes, I hve two words for you… Christine O’Donnell!
The lesson the Republicans still haven’t learned.
We’re tired of “Now’s Not the Time” from the establishment. It’s never the time. When we had the House and Senate – Well we don’t have the Presidency.
We got the Presidency and – We don’t have the Senate Now.
Then we got all three and… and… and… It was still Democrat Lite.
Finally in 2006 we told them “The Republicans Deserve to Lose!”
But in 2010 “They Learned Their Lesson!”
But the lesson they learned was 1995 when it should have been “Read My Lips.”
And in 2011? The lesson of Christine O’Donnell is still lost on them!
Just as the lessons of Bob Dole and John McCain are lost on you.
Hey, I have an Idea, try using your brain.
Dole and McCain = Romney!
Romney who is now embracing the OWS message as I predicted on several other posts. He is following the MSM rather than leading.
The lesson of Christine O’Donnell is that we’d rather lose with someone we can trust than win with someone we cannot trust. (Like Dole, McCain, and Romney.)
JD – I get your basic point, but you’re not doing any of the non-Romney candidates any favors by bringing up O’Donnell (or Angle for that matter)
Be aware, The Lesson of Christine O’Donnell has to be viewed on the Day of the Primary when she won that race.
Not in the context of the General Election after Rove, Krauthamer et. al. had tarred and feathered her for the National Media.
Nor can it be judged after her belated effort at a campaign in which she was unable to enlist any top rate staff because the National Party was willing to throw her a token bone and the Pundit Class was busy chattering her political capital down.
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The lesson has to be measured on the Day of the Primary.
And the lesson from that day is; “We’re DONE accepting your Can Win RINOs who will DO NOTHING when elected, and we would rather have a Real Democrat in office than a Democrat Lite with an R after his name!”
“The lesson of Christine O’Donnell is that we’d rather lose with someone we can trust”
So you can trust O’Donnell? That sentance alone should be enough to disqualify you from ever engaging in a discussion on politics again.
First off, weather you like the conclusion reached based on observation or not, it is an accurate portrayal of what the message coming from the Primary Victory of Christine O’Donnell was saying to the Republican Establishment.
The same message went out in NY 23 months earlier.
My statement wasn’t commenting on the intellegence of the position, So don’t take me on on weather or not it’s smart. It’s what IS!
Read Marc Malone’s response to Item 67 and tell me you don’t see him expressing that same point.
It is you who should be barred from making political discussion because you cannot reamin on point.
Wait a minute – I didn’t need Karl Rove or Dr. K to know O’Donnell was a terrible candidate who believed in nothing except herself, which is kind of what I think Romney is, but only more polished. She was looking for her 15 minutes of fame and had no substance of opinion or character to follow it up.
Angle however believed stuff – she just couldn’t control how it came out of her mouth and so lost the election as opposed to Reid winning it. She wasn’t a good candidate because she was not a good campaigner – O’Donnell was not a good candidate because she was nothing.
JD- You’re spot on with the valid primary victory vs an establishment poisoned general election opine.
Personally, I’m starting to dig Newt. (I know, Andrew, I know….)
It’s funny, but in these debates that very politician is not only the only one showing any real civility, but everyone else seems to be a lot less forthright in every sense of the word- or should I say- acting like politicians.
Maybe it’s just the american idol meets the dating game format of these latest “debates”.
I’d like to mandate Lincoln-Douglas rules, with no celebrity (see Liberal) moderators but just a simple stopwatch. Or maybe that’s Oxford style. Either way. Anything to get a little substance in there.
Romney could be McCain in that the dispirited base would cost the general election. Perhaps Cain is in fact like O’Donnell, in the sense that, under the spotlight, he may not fly with a majority of general election voters.
Newt has been making sustainable gains in the polls, and could move up to challenge Romney. I think Newt’s “baggage” is minimal in comparison to the disqualifying ideological problems with Romney. Newt conservatism can satisfy the establishment, and, for the most part, the Tea Party / base. Would you lke it to get down to a Newt vs Cain contest?
In any event, I ask the readers, in a one on one, would you prefer Newt or Romney?
Newt. We just need to know how he stands on the green energy. Remember he sat with Pelosi on a tv ad about this.
Lets consider the real lesson from 2010.
Let’s talk about Independent voters in the 2010 races. Start with the “loser” Christine O’Donnell, she lost the Independents by just three percentage points at 48%-45%. Nevada’s Sharron Angle defeated Reid among independents 48%-44%, and Colorado’s Joe Buck won independents by an astonishing 16-point margin (53%-37%).
If we factor the 2010 Senate races into the electability argument, we must also mention the candidates in FLORIDA and WISCONSIN. Both Marco Rubio and Ron Johnson won while articulating a stronger conservative message than anyone in the entire U.S. Senate (save perhaps Jim DeMint). Along the way they each won independent voters by double-digits.
In Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Nevada, and Wisconsin (all states carried by Obamalamadingdong in 2008), all but one conservative/Tea Party candidate won among independent voters. The only exception being O’Donnell. She was attacked endlessly by the genius RINOs and elitists, especially Rove and Krauthammer on FOX; she was crucified by the MSM, the worthless Castle refused to endorse his own party’s nominee, the national party ran from her. AND SHE LOST INDEPENDENTS BY THREE POINTS!!
Think what might have been. Had just Castle endorsed her, given his popularity before he abandoned his constituency in favor of self-pity, she would have won. If she had the support of the establishment as well, it wouldn’t have been close. She was running against the embarrassing bearded Marxist for God’s sake!
Imagine Nevada and Colorado with party support rather than the historically ignorant “they’re too extreme” mantra of our self-loathing RINOs. The purpose of the establishment is to maintain the establishment. They do it through our own brand of useful idiots.
Useful idiocy is a choice. Give the Independents what they’re begging for — constitutional conservatives.
Yep.
Or, to put it another way, the RINO Establisment (Rove, Dole, Romney, et al) are every bit as much our enemy as the leftists.
That statement is simply insane! You may not agree with Rove or Romney et al., but the differences are only a matter of degree. Comrade Obama and his communist thugs are an existential threat to our democratic republic. How I wish self-styled “true conservatives” could learn to hate communists as much as they hate some imaginary Republican aristocracy. Did you not get comped tickets to an inagural ball or something?
Dear Art,
I do hate Communists. Totally and completely.
But, your’re right, I hate fifth column communist enablers MORE than I hate communists.
Because communists stab me in the front, where I can see it coming. RINOs and Wimps stab me in the back, when I can not see it coming and when I can least afford the injury (not the timing of Jeffords, gave Dashiel the Senate, and Spectre, gave Obama 60 votes.)
We don’t need the enemy in our uniform among our ranks if we are to change direction, and Romney will do nothing more than to Manage a Liberal Mess better than a Democrat Can. That will result in a Plateau, which will sink into the public conscienceness so the next Democrat can make a leftward shift from where we are, not from a loss of ground.
jd
@jd et al.
“I do hate Communists. Totally and completely.
But, your’re right, I hate fifth column communist enablers MORE than I hate communists. ”
You’re simply deceiving yourself. Romney and other moderates are not a fifth column, they’re not “communist enablers.” They’re regular ordinary men and women who got to some place in society where they thought they were the kind of person who ought to aspire to elected office. Sorry, guy, but the Republican elected official has hardly been made yet that really knows how to deal with the activist communists that we are dealing with in this day of the Obama Regime. The only ones who’ve even come close are the governors of WI and OH, and the outcome of those existential conflicts is still very much in doubt.
There is a new paradigm on the left and we on the right have barely begun to adapt to it and develope strategy and tactics to deal with it. The only people in America with any direct experience in dealing with conflict with Alinsky disciple apparatchniks are those who have had to deal with an adversarial relationship with public employee unions, and there aren’t a lot of us.
Political figures from Southern and Western right to work states barely have a clue and still live in the world where the guy accross the aisle is addressed as “my friend.” Herman Cain has no idea how to deal with these people. Sarah Palin has no idea how to deal with them; that I know first hand, though her incompetence in dealing with them made me a lot of money. And, frankly, you don’t have any idea how to deal with them.
Romney will at least know what his personal and political interest is, and his interest will not be served by “enabling” the communists who want to destroy him. All we need is a Republican President who will sign legislation passed by a Republican Congress or compromise legislation developed by a divided Congress; doesn’t matter a lot. The only important thing is to get the Executive Branch away from the Democrat/communist Party, because even one term will take decades to undo.
“All we need is a Republican President who will sign legislation passed by a Republican Congress or compromise legislation developed by a divided Congress; doesn’t matter a lot. The only important thing is to get the Executive Branch away from the Democrat/communist Party, because even one term will take decades to undo.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t we have EXACTLY that from 2002 to 2006?
How did that work out again?
They did EXACTLY as Reagan did; in order to carry out what they wanted for program and policy, they let the Democrats spend as they pleased. The Reagan Administration was more “Guns and Butter” than was the LBJ Administration. I think it was the right decision and he brought down the Soviet Union by letting them throw money at the poverty pimps so long as he could build aircraft and aircraft carriers. We need to learn from the Byzantines. They lived a thousand years beyond the fall of the Western Roman Empire, which our Founders so wanted to emulate.
Sorry, I’m a very cynical and political SOB.
Insane? Insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results.
We’ve danced with the RINOs often enough to see the destruction that they bring.
Another form of insanity is to ignore ancient wisdom which has been proven true time and time again.
Here’s the bit of ancient wisdom that applies here:
Art -
You think you do? You think that we have a chance using elections? What you and others miss is the Revolution is already over. They are just conducting mop-up operations right now.
The real strategy here is to hunker down in community out of their reach and wait it out. The collapse is not that far off. Tho’ there is still a lot of ruin left there is not nearly as much as there was. Wait until their supporters are willing to eat their masters, literally to survive and the remnant is needed for the skills we have around base survival. Then we can come back public.
What got us here? The pendejo pundits telling us Sarah doesn’t have it, Perry is just a hick, Cain is inexperienced, blah, blah….
The Klavans, Krauthammers, Malkins, ad nauseum who wanted to determine the outcomes they want. There is only one way to deal with the Reds.
See you at the barricades.
Molon labe.
@RagnarD – I don’t believe the Revolution is over and won by the bolsheviks – yet. And yes, I do know how to deal with them, did it for the better part of 20 years doing labor relations for practically the only Red state that was fully unionized. As I stated upthread, the biggest problem is to get those Republican nice guys and gals to actually believe what their eyes and ears are telling them.
Alaska was so Democrat that it was only admitted concurrently with then very Republican Hawaii. By the time oil revenue became significant, Alaska had turned sharply right, but its fundamental legal structure was based not just on Democrat control but on the hippy-trippiest version of Democrat as the McGovernites pretty much took over the State from the ’74 election. They were mostly out of the Legislature or had undergone a significant political conversion by the mid-to late ’80s, but their control coinsided with the State government growing exponentially, so most of the bureaucracy was hired under Democrat control and inured to Democrat rule. By the late ’80s the employees had abandoned their old homegrown employee associations and had affiliated with the big AFL-CIO unions – just as they were being taken over by the Left. If you ever wondered what happened to the old SDS, take a look at the leadership and apprachnik cohort of a big public employee union. By the early ’90s we needed to understand Saul Alinsky more than we need to know labor relations law and practice. By the late ’90s, collective bargaining was just politics by other means. But unlike the other states with unionized public employees, we’ve always had significant Republican power in either the Legislative or Executive Branchs and since ’00 in both, though thanks to Sarah Palin Republican power in the State Senate has been seriously eroded. In any event, we have been one of the few states that actually has an adversarial collective bargaining relationship with unionized employees. Most union states are solidly Blue and the union and the administration just collaborate to screw the taxpayers. What we’ve seen in OH and WI is a new paradigm and the ultimate outcome remains to be seen. I know I’d have never taken them on with their dues structure still intact; unions are much easier to deal with when they’re broke!
Establishment President Romney will destroy the Republican Party and guarantee either a primary or a third-party candidate in 2016. After that, the GOP will go the way of the Whigs.
Honestly, I’d rather put up with BO for another 4 years given the alternative.
What I see is a lack of desire by the republicans to win. That way, they can avoid criticism for their actions, something they really hate more than anything. In fact, one could call them ridiculously sensitive about it.
But when opportunities arose, Boehner sat there and whined, “Hey, we’re only one small part of the whole government…what can WE do?” is a loser’s approach. And while the national socialists steamed full-speed-ahead with their forced national healthcare and giving conservative America the finger, both figuratively and literally, the republicans sat silent. Some who were brazen enough to call the democrats out were summarily smacked down and put in their place.
A place, I think, they actually prefer. Don’t make waves, don’t draw attention to yourself, don’t criticize anyone or anything. Those are characteristic features of a WIMP. A great big cowering WIMP. These are the same kind of people who don’t say anything when someone cuts in front of them in line, or gives them incorrect change or any number of the things that people do wrong just so as not to draw attention to themselves for fear of being called something they don’t like, no matter how untrue it would be.
I have friends like this. Ethical, moral, fine people but when others commit a small sin against them, like the aforementioned, they say nothing. When I question them about it, they hesitate to answer, showing even MORE timidity.
These kind of people seem to be all over the place nowadays. Their excuse being that they just can’t deal with the hassle. True, facing off with a moron who did something stupid may be a bad choice of battles, but sometimes you have to stand up and point out what they did wrong. If you go around thinking that it won’t make any difference, you’d be right and the idiots will rule the day.
“Hey, we’re only one small part of the whole government…what can WE do?”
Start by being serious!
The Heritage Foundation and Dick Morris Identified 350 Billion in cuts that were waste and duplication as well as unnecessary programs.
Instead of Lying and saying that 60 billion is 100 billion, (which anyone who knows simple math can tell you is a wimp out not a compromise by Pro-Rating) and rationalizing it away by saying it was “pro-rated” which no one mentioned in September or October of 2010; propose 350 billion in cuts and then you can compromise down to 100 billion in REAL cuts (as opposed to 5% increases with a blue smoke and mirrors 38 billion non cuts) and let the constituancy know you meant business.
Wimps and RINOs are going to allow the Democrats to make us Greece, just slower!
Mitt Romney may not be ideal—but the country cannot survive another four years of Obama. The destruction would be mind boggling. Obama has the support of countless number of left-wing justices and can still issue executive orders. The GOP is not the “other.” It is not a consumer product. We are all members of the Republican Party and are obligated to pressure our politicians after the election is over. It is foolish to believe that we only need to vote every few years to satisfy our obligations.
Not ideal? The guy’s further to the left than John McCain. Another establishment, ruling-class guy who has earned “his turn.” Only, this time, he has personal pride involved in schemes like making sure state-run healthcare works. Wonderful!
Mark my words: If Romney is becomes President, there will be a third party from the right in 2016 (if not against candidate Romney in 2012). You say the country can’t afford 4 more years of Obama? I say the country can’t afford a decade or more without a coherent right-wing opposition party.
David:
First I’d like to say how much I enjoyed your career. I was there from the very beginning with the Denver Rockets in the dreary old downtown arena. It cost me a dollar a game — discretely slipped to the notorious usher, “Marvin the Claw” — on the way through the door; great season ticket package! That’s just slightly less than my Suns’ mezzanine tickets during the Barkley era. Sure.
But that aside, to my point . . .
I once spent a wonderful day exploring the magnificence of the San Diego Zoo. I vividly recall the rhino habitat; it was or particular interest to me that day because I had recently seen a documentary about poaching these creatures solely for their horns and leaving the remainder of the great beasts to rot in the sun. I learned a lot about rhinos watching them and reading the information boards. While all had an impact, much of which I still recall, the overwhelming impression I took away is that rhinos stink, and they stink very badly.
BTW, my wife tells me I’m thinking or David “Thompson.”
David is so right. We have only one common goal this election cycle — and any Republican will do for now — and that is to rid the county of Obama.
I agree Dave. I tried to put is as succinctly as possible here:
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/5minute_arguments/the_coming_election_accor.php
It was difficult to write, and Romney is giving me headaches and stomach aches the more details I find out about him, but Obama must go, now. I have little use for the “moral equivalence” that makes out Romney to be as bad as Obama. I expect a Romney administration to be problematic and aggravating, but it will be a nice problem to have compared to the near-banditry we have now.
There is much more at stake then just the presidency.
One addendum:
Romney is not yet nominated, and we haven’t had a single primary yet. I want to see Georgette Mosbacher (http://texasfred.net/archives/12367) have a stroke. No, really, I would like that very much.
Working for the communist, Obama? Sheesh. Wake up and look at the damage Obama has already done.
The economy will be in the toilet for the next few years – guaranteed. If Romney defeats Obama, the economy will still falter in 2013 and be bad in 2014. That gives the Dems a boost in the 2014 mid-terms, and a chance to slaughter Romney in 2016.
Resist the RINO. Nominate a conservative and fight to win. If we win, we can perhaps also take the Senate and reverse some of Obama’s (and Bush’s) policies. If we lose, Obama will insure that he and his party get the full blame in 2014 and 2016.
Yes, it will be like rebuilding after the Chicago Fire or the San Francisco Earthquake, but sometimes it’s better to start from scratch. In the meantime, batten down the hatches and prepare for the worst.
I understand your sentiment, but I think its bigger than the office of president. Romney will do the right thing on the economy and in foreign affairs. But he’s not a savior, as you said. Obama might have been right on one thing. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. Its up to us, not the occupant in the white house. We need to begin at the bottom and work up. Schools, towns, states, etc. We can turn this country around… the counter counterculture
What is the basis of that assertion? What actions has Romney ever taken as an elected official that support it?
Christine O’Donnell may have expressed the priciples conservatives love, but she failed miserably in convincing people she had the competence to apply those principles. We are looking so hard for someone to voice our wants that we eliminate those who may differ on certain issues or who may have made mistakes in the past but has shown competence. Anyone humble enough to admit to mistakes knows that he or she will not be forgiven by parts of the base and is reluctant to enter the race. We narrow our own choices. My way or the highway only encourages people to choose the latter.
We would be far better off to put our emotional responses on a lower level and concentrate on more rational arguments that can improve candidates and their policies. It wasn’t just Mitch Daniel’s wife that influenced his decision. It was also the response of many to his suggestion that right now we need to put social issues on the back burner. He was trying to set priorities, and we said, No, we want it all now. Who but a megalomaniac thinks he can satisfy that wish?
For whatever faults Christine O’Donnell may have had, everyone conveniently forgets that she was the establishment Republican candidate against Joe Biden in 2008 It can hardly be thought unreasonable, that she would run again in 2010, but RINO Mike castle wanted the seat, so Rove and the country club set viciously stabbed her in the back. In a deep blue state like Delaware it’s impossible to know if she ever had a chance, but whatever chance she had, was destroyed by Republicans not Democrats.
“He’s not the guy.” Indeed. He’s just more of the same. He is not the Marlboro Man; He is the Malleable Man. Another plastic puppet who has schooled himself to project the image we have been conditioned to accept as Presidential material. He just wants to be President, and he is willing to be the front-man for the political class.
I am really pleased to see that so many here on PJM have gotten the message about Romney. There is some serious “No!” being expressed whenever his name comes up. See the comments in the “Inevitable” article. Holy Lord God, that is supposed to be the guy? Really?
Can you not see the revolt brewing if the political class manages to foist another Nixon/Ford/Bush/Dole/Bush/McCain onto us, by working the system? Huntsman is ignored as irrelevant, but Romney generates outright antagonism, and rightly so.
The professionals better step back… but they will not. It is their livelihood at stake. They make their money from big government. They have this nice, neat system for looting. They have fancy titles, good money, and status. No way are they gonna give that up to some populist Conservative, if they can help it. They effing LOVE their way of life!
In simpler terms, I’d love to see Rome-ney, the toga-wearing intellectual come down here to South Carolina and mix in with the unwashed. The firefighters, the National Guardsmen, the bible-clingers and gun-toters.
To me, he’s another Massachusetts, self-styled blue-blood who has neither the time nor the inclination to listen to the people. I prefer he stay in the northeast and not further ruin the nation I love so much. I used to have to deal with gaylords like him all the time. I got fed up.
They can all have themselves.
You’ve got him pegged, SG-1. Romeny’s too haughty and he’s not electable. I’m not looking for a Messiah, Andrew, or even a Moses or Gideon or Sampson. I like Herman Cain out of all of them, but I don’t have great expectations. Let’s look to God for that.
Herman Cain is the only one who can unite the Republican party and keep hold of a majority of Independents. He is the most electable and the only one with a chance that won’t destroy the Republican party in the process of getting himself elected. And I’m not even a religious person.
You are both fools. Obama is the communist and the enemy, not Romney. Campaign for your own favorite, but trashing Romney is not the way to beat Obama.
You read into it something that isn’t there. If push comes to shove, I’ll hold my nose and vote for Romney, but knowing that I’m only slowing down trip to socialism, not stopping it. Romney is another big-government clueless whack-a-doodle. Part of the ruling class elite. Yeah..that’s what makes the republican establishment feel it’s “his turn”.
But he’s still a far cray from conservative. I have already stated but I’ll repeat it, there is no conservative candidate.
So, how does this latest trashing of Romney help to defeat Obama? Do you not know that Obama is your enemy? Romney is not my choice either, but do you see the Dems trashing any of their candidates? Trashing Romney is not going to accomplish your goal, it is just going to weaken the Republican candidate, whomever that is, by giving campaign fodder to the communist in the White House.
Wouldn’t it be grand of, as in the old days, someone like Romney wins most of the votes in the primaries but then loses the ballot votes at the convention? Think about it, some other person could still be nominated at the convention. I know those days are probably long gone, but this has been such a strange year that anything is possible. But I doubt that would happen today. But I wonder if the Republican Party still has the nerve, the guts, to actually stand for something and to, at the last moment, pull this country in the right direction? Someone like Sarah Palin could be nominated even though she did not run in any primaries. Or a Paul Ryan or a Marco Rubio could suddenly get the nomination, even though they never made one political commercial in any state. Like I said, it is nice to dream, but it probably will never happen. Probably.
“… But I wonder if the Republican Party still has the nerve, the guts, to actually stand for something and to, at the last moment, pull this country in the right direction? ”
Do you want me to tell you the truth, or do you want me to tell you how wonderful and upright the Republican party is?
The Republican party is toast. A new conservative anti-progressive party will debut before the next presidential election.
It’s been tried. It’s failed. It will fail again.
Why?
The game is rigged in favor of the two dominant parties. They have done an excellent job of stacking the deck against any third-party challenge.
Absent a major Daddy Warbucks willing to shell out something like a billion or so, a third party ain’t gonna happen.
The only hope is to infiltrate the Republican Party and take it back. That happens at the grass roots, or it doesn’t happen at all.
This is one of the reasons that third parties have failed. The game is won at the local level. Choosing a Champion to lead you into the White House is never going to get a third party ANYWHERE.
I agree. No matter who is elected, we are still going over the cliff. The election is just to decide how soon the crash comes.
But I’ve been wondering, if we know the fall is coming, is it better to delay the inevitable or should we rush toward it? The sooner it is allowed to happen, the sooner we can start rebuilding. I’ve grown very tired of trying to delay the end. I would much rather concentrate on what we do the day after.
So, wouldn’t it be better to let the country crash under the full control of the far left while conservatives boo loudly and safely from the sidelines, ready to step in and reshape the country once pernicious socialism is ejected?
I’m seriously contemplating going full Ayn Rand and voting for Obama. I’ve really lost hope that we can fix the current system. Looking at the field of Republican presidential candidates is really that depressing.
I was going to state my position, but your post pretty much echoes my thoughts on electing a RINO vs Obama. What would hold me back from voting against a RINO are the judges. The more federal judges appointed by the Democrats, the harder it will be for the country to change direction.
I haven’t made up my mind what I will do if the Republicans nominate a mediocre candidate. I would really like to see a conservative party formed that could win a few states and control a few seats in Congress. The current status quo of Democrats/Republicans is destroying the country. We really need major reform of all branches of government and we need it soon. At some point in the not to distant future, we will be so bankrupt (morally & financially) that we will be like Greece . . . except no one will bail us out.
My guess is that the bankruptcy of the federal government will leave the federal courts too weak to expand their authority. Where will they find the money to enforce their decisions? My prediction is that far from federal courts expanding control, they will instead witness profound erosion as local communities, cities, counties, and states naturally reassume sovereignty at the expense of a bankrupt federal government. But it’s a big guess.
The emergence of a third party that can win and govern a few states is a good idea too. It would effectively keep the left in power and offer a real conservative alternative with a history of governance when the federal government finally falls off the edge of the cliff.
First things first – get Obama out – I don’t want my kids to have to deal with Greece on our own shores. I really think what we need to do is continue to work to take over the GOP from inside. If Romney does become the nominee, how about loading him up with more conservatives in the House and in the Senate. We then get the legislation we want for him to sign.
Four more years of Obama and his judges and his cabinet and there will not be anything worth saving. You want to leave China as the dominant power?
No – we cannot get it all at once – we need to keep moving the bar. I actually like Boehner’s style, we just need to get more conservatives there to keep him on our side. Maybe then in 2020, we will have a GOP conservative president who will be ready to really dynamic things with the country behind them.
Need to plant the seeds now.
Ayn Rand is what you get when you cross idealism, a hatred of communism, and lack of morality and a lack wisdom in one person.
Perhaps you’re right. Nevertheless, the point is that she offers a possible solution to nearly the exact circumstances we are facing today.
Her solution worked perfectly in a work of fiction.
That’s where the “lack of wisdom” part comes in.
It will not work in the real world.
It’s the “club” stupid. The Repubs and Dems verbally spar, posture, huff and puff and preen for the cameras then, at the end of the day, they all retire to the “club”, put their arms around each other, light their cigars, pour a glass of single malt and then laugh collectively about the “rubes” they represent. Lifetime pensions, premium healthcare, money, power. No downside. We’re NOT in the club. Romney, really? Why am I not surprised? Guess I’ll do what I did last time and hold my nose while pulling the lever for McCain.^&%(%(^&&^%(!!!!!!!
You are probably right about Romney, but there are major differences between these two political parties and that difference is the people who support them. If you want to be part of a world dominated by a communist style government and live in servitude and poverty, just like everyone else, you will continue to equate the two parties. The game is now on for these communists and Romney will know which side he is on soon enough.
I’m well aware of the difference between the two parties. I was a Republican for 40 years before becoming an Independent during “W’s” second term. I was actually referring to the politicians and ruling “elite” in Washington. There are very few, if any, Democrats that I’d vote for. It’s truly sad, in my opinion, that the Republican Party keeps nominating RHINOS for President. If the true conservatives form a third party, that would insure the re-election of the Democratic Party candidates. I really don’t have the answer but know that we must defeat Obama at any cost.
*dingdingding
we have a winner!
You want someone who will undo what both parties have done. There is a way to get someone who has done this already.
Draft Sarah.
Wouldn’t it be great to have someone we could really get fired up about? Sarah Palin is the only one so far who had that quality….
So, you write off my governor, Rick Perry, because he “can’t think on his feet?” Well, I’m telling you he CAN, and to write him off so easily is a mistake and wrong. He’s the best but if the rest of America refuses to see that, then give him back and Texas will continue to prosper while the rest of the country falls. Go ahead!
Stephanie, maybe he can think on his feet, but the record so far since he began his presidential campaign has only shown us a marked inability to think on his feet.
Sorry, he doesn’t just need your adulation. He needs to be able to whip Obama’s -ss in a debate (to win the election), and he has shown so far no ability to do so against far less formidable opponents.
Stephanie:
The truth is, you can huff and puff all you want, but you can’t bring dead hack politicians back to life. It’s time to get over your infatuation with this fool and move on.
Romney’s about as good with that “vision thing” as the last Establishment Republican president, George H.W. Bush: #41 who was only nominated because he was Reagan’s VP and was only elected because Dukakis was so very, very bad.
I have no enthusiasm for Romney, and I regard him as thoroughly untrustworthy. Not-Obama. Just as for many, Obama was Not-Bush.
The key is to elect a solidly fiscally conservative House and Senate to keep Romney in check and on the reservation.
You are correct about the Senate and House, but your reasoning that it would keep a nefarious Romney on the reservation is a little off the mark. The reason would be to undo the damage Obama has already done and prevent him from doing more.
Of course it’s to undo the damage of the Obama regime – even Romney has said he’s signed up for that. My point is that only with a strongly conservative House and Senate can we keep Romney focused on the repeal and deter him from any silly ideas he might have on health care, the economy, climate change and even foreign policy. He would need to be on a veryshort leash.
Am I in an echo chamber here?
You guys are unfreakin’ believable. Already eating your own. Playing into the hands of your Red masters.
Keep it up. Help hasten the end.
There is no difference in the DNC or the GoP right now. Same members of the same club.
Molon labe.
Ships guns are blazing now, eh Ragnar? There has never been this much difference between the two parties. They have almost nothing in common. The only similarities exist because both parties are fighting on the same battlefield. That is why they can’t get anything done in Congress anymore. I do share the frustration that you, and many others have, that neither party particularly represents my point of view. I go with what seems the better of the two. I go with the GoP, as you call it. Who are you dancing with this year?
Maybe we’re looking for the wrong kind of answers in the wrong places?
Perhaps we should consider first looking in the mirror, then kneeling and looking towards Heaven?
Our founders and forefathers solved every last one of their problems that way.. all the way up until the mid 1950s.
A righteous person prays – then acts.
In the mid 1950s the “righteous” pious sat prayerfully on their asses while the liberal Democrats conspired with a small contingency of International Socialistic Atheists to throw God out of our schools; then our entire nation.
Now we as a newly invigorated nation flying the flags of the Constitution and Conservatism, aka Tea Party seek perfection from a mortal man (or woman) while feeling fully qualified, justified and righteous to demand more from that man than God himself would ever be willing to allow or deliver.
Never mind, post ever on Miriam cognizant if you will that Christ discouraged Peter, a man of proven action from chopping off the ears an offensive sinner.
Saint Peter will probably wait for America to get it’s act together again, but I doubt that He thinks we are as smart as we believe we are to demand absolute perfection from any of our elders, neighbors or representatives; but never ourselves.
There are many reasons to oppose Romney’s bid for the GOP nomination, but for me, this one towers above the rest: He’ll tell his audience whatever he thinks it wants to hear.
Romney has flip-flopped almost as often as John Kerry, most notably on the most serious of matters: abortion. Add his waffling about abortion to RomneyCare, his Massachusetts version of cap & trade, and several other issues, and it becomes impossible for an attentive citizen to believe that he has any firm convictions of any sort. His Grail is power, nothing else.
If there’s anything the GOP, and America overall, can’t afford, it’s a chief executive who has no principles. But “no principles” is a perfect political description of Mitt Romney.
Yes whats the point in hearing Romney talk? You pretty much know for a fact that he will flip flop on most of his principles anyway. There is no way to know how he’s gonna govern.
Just speaking philosophically … don’t want to be called a religious bigot … Romney’s mind was turned in upon itself and then split schizophrenically as a child being raised a mormon. There is no honest logical way to reconcile christianity as described by St. Paul and the crazy ramblings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young followed by and endless string of polygamist elders, prophets and soothsayers. You can’t live a lie that big all your life and have any truth in you whatsoever.
That’s not true! Mitt Romney has been a paragon of principled consistency!!!
Well, okay, it’s true if you count what he has SAID over the years.
If you look only at what Romney has DONE – that is, while in elected office – then it’s clear that he’s been that paragon of principled consistency I mentioned.
The problem is, his principles have all been FAR LEFT.
No, the big reason to oppose Romney (Obamney), is because he is STILL pushing a non-conservative line – i.e., his ‘tax cuts for the middle class’, which is a defacto disproportionate tax on the ‘rich’ – which actually, in his calculations, is anyone making over 200k. He is so tone deaf (and so much a stranger to true conservative instincts), that he thinks this policy approach will get him elected. In true Omama fashion, he is trying to appeal to dems and independents while at the same time speaking out of the other side of his mouth to the base. Appealing to everyone, pleasing no-one. Sound familiar?
If Romney were in any noticeable way different from Obama, he probably wouldn’t have Obama’s climate guru, John “Dr. Evil” Holdren on retainer.
But (surprise!) he does;
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/588168/201110141846/Romneys-Bad-Advice.htm
I submit that anyone who thinks that “de-developing” the United States and/or “dispensing with” large parts of the planet’s human population to “save Holy Mother Gaia” isn’t playing with a full deck.
Neither is anyone who has such an “expert” as an advisor. They’d be better off borrowing Grima Wormtongue from King Theoden.
Romney is basically Obama Lite. He is also proof positive that The One isn’t the only “one” in the upper echelons of the ruling class who is living in a mental parallel universe of his own fantasizing.
We need a President who will clean up the mess Obama will leave behind. Romney isn’t it. At best, he will sweep it under the rug and tell us not to trip over the big lump in the middle of the floor.
Assuming, that is, that he even admits that it’s a mess. The jury’s still out on that one.
clear ether
eon
We have 50% of what we need to clean up the mess, the House.
The objective in 2012 is to get to 60 in the Senate.
The only importance of the presidency is to not veto the repeal of Obamacare and Dodd Franks.
It’s a mistake to think that the leadership has to come from the White House.
Winning the presidency is the only important thing about that office. Whatever Republican wins will have to go along with the will of the country. Electability is far and away the most important criteria. Conservative orthodoxy not only is secondary in the next president, it’s counterproductive because if the candidate is perceived as being too conservative, the candidate will lose.
eon:
So why don’t you just call up Superman and appoint him dictator for life? Or maybe you have a better idea. I just can’t understand what it is.
1. A President who takes his or her Oath of Office seriously. And who thinks two four-year terms is enough.
2. Term limits on everybody else, as well.
3. Everybody remembering the bit about “preserve, protect, and defend” the Constitution of the United States.
Note that, unlike what James Michener said about most SF fans in his novel “Space”, I’ve never thought dictatorship, in any form, is a good idea.
Oh, and P.S.;
Superman is scientifically impossible. See “The Physics of Superheroes” by James Kakalios, Ph.D.
clear ether
eon
McCain II
McCain wouldn’t take on Obama. Even if he had wanted to fight Obama he didn’t have the rhetorical skills. Romney is taking the fight to Obama and has the rhetorical skills in spades, which is why he will be the nominee.
Terry,
Thanks for making my morning so special..Romney may be the nominee, but there will be a lot of Conservative like me that set at home on Nov 4 2012..I rolled over for Mclame, but I will not do it again. It would be like keeping a terminal patient on life support in hopes that he will get well. Better to have a quick death that a long drawn-out suffering death.
Then sit at home! Give us 4 more years of socialism/communism, death panels, supreme court picks and we won’t be able to vote for anyone in 4 years because the elections will be called off, just as they want to do now.
Why do you think they are protesting? Oh, to cover obama’s @## so that fast and furious has no legs, solyndra will die. We will all be so concerned about the ravages going on in NY and around the country!
No one mentions that Romney has Bork on his legal panel. Gosh we wouldn’t want a supreme court nominee like Bork would we?
I will vote for any one of those running – maybe even Paul (Oh heaven forgive me) but we won’t be around in 4 more years if you sit home, or go and vote for obama cause you’re feeling so hurt! Well, hur the rest of us. Maybe some of us won’t be around because of the death panels to see the destruction of this country, but maybe you will and I hope you enjoy the re-education camps!!!! Hope your grandchildren/children love it!
Is Romney’s 59 point plan too hard for anyone to look at and see the wisdom in it?
G-d help us and help the Israelis!
This is the dumbest post I have ever read, unless you are working for the communist in the White House.
Those “I’m gonna sit it out” and “I’m gonna vote Obama” posts are everywhere and not just on this blog. It is incomprehensible to me!
Jim Baker:
Your post responding to Luana is the dumbest post I’ve ever seem unless you are working for the committee to reelect Barack Obama.
Sorry, but do not agree that Romney is another McCain. McCain was a truly horrible candidate. Romney had to get elected and rule in a state full of liberals, greens, and other assorted drama queens. The GOP establishment had no other viable man except McCain in 2008 – and Dole in 1996. Just a year ago, anyone going up against the mighty O was going to be a sacrificial lamb, like Dole was in 1996, which is why Christie decided to wait until 2012. Meanwhile, O imploded and Chistie privately did a face-palm and realized he blew it. If Christie had the onions to jump into the ring 6 months ago he would be the man, but, thanks for nothing, Governor, we are now stuck with Mitt. Here we are again – another presidential election without another Reagan. The candidates are all decent people, each with their own strengths, but, sorry, none of them have what it takes to be a great president. Then again, any one of them would do a better job than O.
CGW… I know this thread is sometimes hard to follow, but you can relax, my reply was to Jerry and a careful study of the indentations of the posts will help you to discover that. No offense taken.
If we keep pretending we don’t know what we are opposing, what we are fighting, and we won’t stand up for what we stand for, then….. the “pink elephant” in the room takes on quite a new and profound meaning.
We must present a total and complete alternative to democrat party and the chicago/alinsky/anarchist left, and for me that means the entire political spectrum, as there can be no fiscal conservatism without social conservatism. Just look at the results- Bush 41 “no new taxes” and he was also fine with abortion as a “choice” issue. McCain would not take on 0bamas chicago/alinsky record and said 0bama would make a great president, denied 0bama was a socialist, at a campaign rally! (when a person at the rally brought into the crowd. was given a chance to ask a question via a microphone). This failure to name it, shame it, and DEFEAT IT cost us the opportunity to send that punk az pimp back to the senate.
But you are right, it comes down to the judges, and I must still vote R in 2012, as I did in 2008, to avoid anymore Sotomeyers, and Harvard Deans Kagans, at least for the next four year interim.
Even if that means Romney, but it ain’t over yet, I like Cain (nine, nine, nine won’t pass), and I will vote for Michelle Bachmann in primary (if I get the chance) and the thing has not been already decided by the time my primary date arrives (as it was by March 2008, when there was only McCain to vote for by that time).
Gingrich/Cain !!!!!!!!!!
In no particular order! One to deal with the real world, the other to deal with Washington, including the real greatest threat to our existence: the Courts.
Go on Romney’s website. Look at his proposals. There’s nothing wrong with them, for the most part. They seem intended to repeal the Obama administration and set us back on the path we were on before. That would be fine if Obama were the cause of the crisis, but he’s the symptom of the crisis, its incarnation as it were. Obama and his ideas are the creation of 40 years of moral error and political failure drip-drip-dripped into the consciousness of the country through our schools, news media, and culture. He could never have won our highest office if the electorate had not been bred by that error to foolishness, and then spurred to an act of panicked stupidity by a crisis that had already come. It’s not Obama’s presidency that needs to be repealed — not just Obama’s presidency — but all the ideas that made Obama’s presidency possible.
To do that, we need a man ? not just of policies but of vision, not just of proposals but of high ideals. A mere Romney might — might — take us back from the brink to which Obama has sped us, but that would only delay the fatal catastrophe. Worse, it would perforce recreate the exact same set of circumstances that got us into this mess in the first place.
You want Sarah Palin with a Harvard degree.
Gary Johnson. Gary Johnson. Even websites like this ignore him and it’s a crying shame.
Who is this Gary character?
And what’s a Harvard degree worth after the example of Obama?
Gimme a break – a Harvard degree? What an idiotic remark. We need people of princple (which, yes, does include Palin – among others) – not freekin degrees (much less from Hahvahd)!
“Cain seems like a terrific fellow but he has no foreign policy knowledge and his 9-9-9 plan is a mistake — a new tax that will never go away . . . .” Foreign policy knowledge? What was Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy knowledge when he took office? Reagan had a simple idea – Americal wins, the USSR loses; and, from that simple idea and bedrock principle, his administration crafted a foreign policy that helped bring down the Iron Curtain. The only foreign policy I want from a president is that he put America’s interests first and make sure our enemies are scared to death of us. While everyone has the right to worry about any new tax, at least Cain is bringing real change to the table. Every other Republican candidate is just tinkering at the edges of our leftist monstrosity of a tax code.
I do not know whether Herman Cain will make a good president but, like the author stated, I know that Mitt Romney et al. will be just more of the same. We cannot take anymore of the same. We just will not make it.
Dave, I hear so much talk about Cain not having a foreign policy and his 9-9-9 plan would not work.. I have a question. How much foreign experience does a Governor from Arkansas obtain while in office? It didn’t matter when it was Clinton? I think Cain is smart enough to put people on broad that could help advise him on policy. One more question? Where do all the expert get their information concerning 999? Cain has said it’s the first step to the Fairtax and would give small business certainty on tax issues.The uncertainty is the problem with growth right now. No other candidates has a plan like this..try to give it a chance…
We don’t need a ‘first step to the Fair Tax’ – we need the Fair Tax. I don’t trust Cain’s incrementalism, not in this case.
I’m sorry, Andrew, but Romney just isn’t the man of the hour. If the movers and shakers in the Republican party maneuver him into position, you might as well say good-bye to the Republican Party. Obama can beat Romney because in too many ways they are so much alike.
What a lot of people seem to be pointing out is that Romney is just Obama in white.
On the morning of Agincourt, King Mitt would have roused his troops with a PowerPoint presentation (crispin4.ppx) and a newly crafted mission statement. And I’d be writing this in French.
You did not speak of Gingrich, remind me why he isn’t a viable choice. No money right now, has a semblance of an organization, and I think we can all agree he understands the serious times we find ourselves. Just asking.
Why not Newt?
Because his baggage exceeds the known limits of any device that could be constructed to contain it.
so did Nixons in 1961. By 1968 he was president.
And don’t come back about Watergate. It’s irrelevant to your point and my counter.
Could you be more specific.
(ahem) Please allow me.
He cheated on his first two wives , then left them for his mistresses. If his wives couldn’t trust him, how can I?
He resigned as Congressman and Speaker of the House under an ethics cloud. Whether you think the ethics thing was valid or not, the fact is, he just quit. Remember them calling Palin a “Quitter”? Hmm?
He takes credit for balanced budgets while Speaker… except there were never any. He and Clinton conspired to cook the books and claim a balanced budget when it just wasn’t so.
He will often take one position one day, and another a few days later. Lots of inconsistencies. He is far more truthful than Romney, but that is not a high bar to clear.
He has a monumental ego. Watch him swell up before a camera. His big ego gets him into all kinds of trouble. It what makes a man as smart and educated as him do all kinds of stupid stuff. Such an ego in a President is truly dangerous.
His entire campaign staff quit on him at once, because he is impossible to work with. He’s smarter than all of them. He can be told nothing. He is like Obama in this regard.
Go near his flaws, and he gets really touchy. He’ll call such a question a “gotcha” question.
He might have some good values and good intentions, but first and foremost, he is out for himself. The difference between a Dem and a Republican is that a Republican politician will do good for the country after he has secured his own position first. The Dem has no intention of doing good. It is all about the power. Gingrich is a Republican politician. He lacks character and integrity.
So what’s new?
From what I’ve read, the Republicans have only ever produced two outstanding Presidents – Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt – and one of those was an accident. The others have all varied from medium (Ike, Reagan, Bush I) to lousy.
Is there any reason for expecting it to be different now?
what about coolidge?
Teddy Roosevelt was the first in a long line of Progressive Republicans who have done so much to bring our Republic to the state that it is in now. Romney is another Progressive Republican who will keep us on the straight and narrow to an eventual Progressive dictatorship. Lincoln’s greatness is a more complex question.
Try reading some new material, Obama boy.
If you are referring to me, I have no fondness for Obama. Surely the true “Obama boys” are those “cut off your nose to spite your face” types who seem willing to let BO win rather than accept an alternative whom they consider less than perfect – not to mention the bigots who have been emerging from the woodwork to make snide remarks about Romney’s (and incidentally my) religion.
“Surely the true “Obama boys” are those “cut off your nose to spite your face” types who seem willing to let BO win rather than accept an alternative whom they consider less than perfect…”
I love these generalizations. Everyone I have seen post a refusal to vote for Romney has been willing to vote for any one of the other candidates in the general. Heck, I would even vote for Paul, and he’s old and crazy. Romney is not “less than perfect”. He is just as bad as Obama, and more dangerous.
So, let’s not misunderstand that we are eeking perfect. We’d like to have it, but we know we have to settle this time around. Cain, Gingrich, Bachmann, Santorum, Paul, Johnson… anyone but Obamney (or Huntsman, but he doesn’t matter). We will take less than perfect. We just do not want more of the same. Any of those others, while flawed, are upgrades.
I hope we are clear on this.
I’ll take Reagan and Ike against any Democrat, ever, along with Teddy, who started this whole damn mess. I’d toss in Coolidge, for good measure. Wouldn’t you rather be enjoying the Roaring ’20s, the Fifties, or the Eighties, than this pile of steaming dung?
You’ve been sipping at the MSM well for too many years, and it’s been sheer poison since TVs had magnifying glass in their screens. FDR? Truman? Kennedy? LBJ? At least Mussolini made the trains run on time. Those four should go down in history as the worst presidents, ever, but you’ll never hear about that on the network news. They worship the communist ground they walked on. And don’t even get me started on Slick.
So, I guess we should elect another Hoover or GWB, guys who dropped their shorts like a hooker at the first sign of economic trouble. “We can’t let ideology get in the way of doing something”. What the hell is ideology for? Obviously, to get elected, and not much else. Romney’s a member of that club, too.
Idiots!
The more I chew on this problem the more I arrive back at the same spot. The ‘fault’ lies with and in all of us. The very human condition drives us inexorably to the abyss. We built the western world on individual freedom and it was so successful everybody got fat and happy …. and suicidal. Now we have bred a generation of children who want to kill us.
The glue that held the western world together long enough to achieve this monstrous milestone was christianity. Now we find ourselves in the post-christian age and we think another Ronald Reagan can save us. Libertarians are as bad as leftists. They worship the wrong god. Only God can keep man from his demons. Or at least give him the strength to keep them at bay.
Mr. Klavan:
Brilliantly said all round.
Except in one regard: I’m not ready to give up on the insight, “cometh the time, cometh the man.” As painful as it is to admit, it may just be that, no matter how much *we* are convinced that the time of decision has come, that…it has not.
The crisis may have to get worse, much worse, before the man, or woman, who can deal with it will arise.
Oh he’s going to arise all right. And most will sell their soul to him cheap.
God forbid, but
Could be.
No man knows the day nor the hour.
conservatives need to be reminded that we live in a center-right country, not a right-wing country. If anywhere near the majority of Americans supported the views of Bachmann or Cain or Paul or whomever your favorite conservative is, we wouldn’t be in the situation we are in today. Do you want a leader who makes the right decisions, or do you want a leader who represents the viewpoint of the majority? You can’t have both.
this is a fallacy
the precious center that gets touted as the path of righteousness is predicated not only on the location of the “right wing” but also on the position of the left wing– our current “left” is near the end of the spectrum (the only remaining uncharted left would be a bold power play towards complete collectivism/totalitarianism); the “right wing nuts” are really more in the “true center,” therefore the “middle” is already to the left of things
our current leanings are way more to the left than the right
Romney will prove as vulnerable to the savage attacks of the ‘rats as anyone else.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/romneys_smoking_gun_picture.html
The OWS movement may well have Romney in mind.
That is correct. The Occupy Wall Street is a part of the Obama campaign. Obama is funding this through his surrogates, supporting it at his press briefings, and its goal is to trash Romney, who has made his living as a venture capitalist. He will be assailed by the communists on the left, as the great greedy Wall Street insider who got rich on the backs of the proletariat. Obama doesn’t have to show how that is true, as long as even conservatives believe that makes sense. So lets trash Romney at our own peril because it plays right in to Obama’s campaign strategy.
Or we could just not choose Romney. Just a thought.
That is a great idea. But, beware that at the same time Obama is setting up Cain for the same kind of trashing. OWS is also crying about the evil, corrupt, and un-government Federal Reserve Board. Cain was a member of the Federal Reserve Board for several years. Obama will shift the message of OWS if it looks like any of the other Republicans have a chance to win the nomination. My comment was that the OWS is no more than another political arm of the communists is our White House. If they get violent, Obama will throw them under the bus. Otherwise he will use them to run against his “flawed” Republican opponents. So, while there is good reason to nominate someone besides Romney, the OWS trashing scheme will be attempted on whomever that nominee will be. We are now being governed by a communistic Executive branch because we always underestimate our adversaries.
How to change the hearts and minds of millions? Perhaps more pain would help. As a nation, we are becoming more united under Obama’s leadership. Per VDH, Obama has done more for the conservative movement than all of the Republican leaders combined for the last ten years. The ideal government is a Tea Party influenced, Republican House and Senate and a Democrat White House. Both sides could clearly articulate their views.
To continue the fight, conservatives should vote for Obama.
There are no conservatives for obama – PERIOD!
So where are the sarc tags?
Personally I don’t think the American electorate deserves someone like Mr Romney. While he is not a perfect person, he at least brings some kind of experience to the table that might help us get out of the mess we’ve put ourselves in. That’s right we did it. We elected the morons who designed this disaster. We didn’t do our research, didn’t listen to those who did. We didn’t pay attention and we refused to expect those we voted for to have any integrity at all. We don’t why should they.
No we were too busy. Too busy playing golf, football, baseball. Too busy watching NASCAR, An Inconvenient Truth, Brigit Jones Diary. Too busy surfing the net, visiting porn sites, watching Oprah, X-factor, Big Brother. Too busy protesting in the streets, collecting Welfare, using Medicade and Medicare. Too busy racking up credit card debt, school debt, buying houses we can’t afford and driving cars we can’t maintain or gas up. Too busy having children we don’t parent, don’t know and don’t care enough about to attend a concert, game or teachers conference. Too busy changing marriage partners like kleenex without a thought to the meaning of the vows we spoke or the lives we ruin. We’ve been terribly busy. It’s no wonder we couldn’t pay attention to silly little things like who’s actually running the country. Right now, it’s not even the incompetent figure head “we” elected in 2008. He’s just a puppet who’s strings aren’t very transparent.
So no, we deserve exactly what we get. We deserve the leaders we elect in our own image. Pretty ugly, what?
What the Tea Party represents is the idea that we no longer look for representation that will use their own judgement upon assuming office. We want representatives that will listen to us and do what we say. The acts passed under the past administration must be undone and that’s what we want you to do. If you can’t agree to this then please let us know.
Well, no, we don’t want someone who will ‘listen to us and do what we say.’ that’s democracy and that’s insanity. The representatives, we hope, have more information than we the people do, for the most part. In the end, hopefully, they will do the best with the information they have. Seriously. We need to elect people who we trust to do that. Not just people who ‘think like me.’ The reality is that we can never know exactly what will happen and the answers to all the votes they will take. When Obama was knocking Hillary for the vote for the Iraq war…well…I was saying to people: yes, it’s very easy for him to do that…since he wasn’t in the senate at the time. It’s always easy to second guess when you aren’t in the hot seat.
Who in their right mind was asking any of the candidates in 2000 – hey, what are you going to do if some muslims crash some planes into some buildings? Anyone would have thought the question was crazy. And whatever the answer was at the time, wouldn’t have been whatever a candidate would do.
What we have to do is to elect people we trust. That is the only way to get honorable people. Unfortunately, the best people don’t run.
Gary Johnson, though, would be a FABULOUS candidate and president. Everything I read about him is awesome.
“The representatives, we hope, have more information than we the people do…”
Uhhh – not in my world.
Wonderful insight Mr. Klavan, these are definitely words of wisdom for all to read and heed as America continues its free fall decent into Hell for its peoples. Is the Republican Party as bad as the Democrat Party? One could argue it is now worse since they are now more deceptive in their true intentions (Big Government) than the Democrats as the Democrats have recently exposed their true intentions (Marxism). Regardless, it is extremely obvious that both Parties are “Big Federal Government” Parties. Absolute power corrupts absolutely is where America now finds itself!
I don’t think any of the professional opinionators have ever run a large corporation. The CEO does not have to know the details of accounting. He has to know how to select an excellent, honest accountant. He has to be able to recognize and foster great ideas, not come up with them all himself. That’s character and judgement and experience.
I think you’re still looking for a god-king. We recently tried that and look what we’ve got now.
9-9-9 may not be the panacea you’re looking for, but it addresses a festering national problem in a creative way, is outside the DC box, and shows something of the man Cain. Not bad things.
Stop looking for a Conservative Messiah. People screwing up their eyes and wishing for One Man who could make it all better was what caused Obama. Face it: whether you’re left or right, things are never going to be what they used to be before those other guys ruined the country. The Dems failed to roll back the clock to 1968. The Republicans, evidently, want to run it back to 1958. That won’t work, either.
I’ll settle for a President who won’t get us into any more wars, won’t try to implement any kind of “fundamental change,” won’t claim he can solve all our problems at once and won’t try to, and one who really can work with the other side to get things done – not pay lip service to reconciliation and then go on the attack. The market is damaged. It needs time to heal – maybe a decade or more. One President can’t fix it. In fact, I think the more the President pokes at it the worse it will get. There’s something to be said for leaving it the hell alone for the time being.
yes
The hour that cometh, with celerity, will be in my view the most desperate for the Republic since 1861. It’s clear that Obama’s world view of statist government, soft power and green energy are accelerating our slide towards the abyss. Reversing this will be so painful that it will require at least a Lincoln. Romney is more of a Ford. As a Vietnam vet, he lost me in 2008 when he blubbered about his regrets about not “representing his country in uniform in Vietnam” after telling the Massachusetts press in the 1990s he had no desire to serve or go to Vietnam. He has the brains and experience, but I fear lacks the backbone to make the desperately painful choices needed to avoid a fiscal collapse, followed closely by a social/political collapse. Since I vote in Crook County, IL, my ballot won’t matter in either the nomination fight or the general election. But it is hard not to despair. I will link to this from my Old Jarhead blog.
Robert A. Hall
Author: The Coming Collapse of the American Republic
(All royalties go to a charity to help wounded veterans)
For a free PDF of the book, write tartanmarine(at)gmail.com
The POOP, Pernicious Obsolete Old Party aka GOP, elites have the money and will have their way. We complained that bill clinton has no core values. I am trying hard to find Romney’s core values and remain a bit confused as to what they are today.
Cometh the quote:
http://www1c.btwebworld.com/quote-unquote/p0000149.htm
I notice that while Klavan mentions everyone else, he doesn’t mention Newt Gingrich, and for my money Gingrich should be the nominee.
It is obvious that the Left and its wholly owned MSM have spent years in pre-emptive warfare, demonizing those Conservatives who might be potential Presidential candidates of any substance, and working tirelessly to make their “negatives’ so high that they are barred from any serious consideration.
I believe that it is largely because of their success that Sarah Palin is not in the running today and, long before this, this Leftist wrecking crew launched its preemptive war against Newt Gingrich, to try to hang an albatross around his neck as well, to blacken his image, ruin his brand, and to make him “unelectable.”
The fact of the matter is, though, that warm and fuzzy or not, squeaky clean or not, professorial in manner or not, humble and self-effacing or not, Newt is far and away the smartest, the most informed, knowledgeable, articulate, and experienced candidate among those vying for the Republican nomination, and there is also no question that Newt is a Patriot who loves this country—qualities, none of which, the current “occupier” of the White House has.
Romney is a plastic, Central Casting candidate, and far too liberal.
Cain is a likeable fellow and a successful businessman, and he has his catchy 9-9-9 plan, but that is really all he has, and he is focused almost solely on the economy; he is a one trick pony. But, the U.S. has not only internal threats—and not all of them economic, but we also have many external threats as well, and I doubt Cain can even pinpoint Angola or Czechoslovakia on a map.
In contrast, Newt has decades of legislative experience and decades of experience, as well, in dealing with both domestic and international issues. Moreover, he has put together a very well developed, deep, and sweeping, “21st Century Contract With America,” a plan intended to squarely confront and to fix many of our fundamental problems, and to bring about a renewal of the United States, a quite extensive and comprehensive plan whose elements are laid out in hundreds of pages of very specific detail.
Finally, in terms of how he perceives who are enemies really are, and how he would deal with them, I believe Newt would be far tougher, and far more effective at protecting the U.S. in an increasingly dangerous and unstable world than any of the other candidates, and certainly more perceptive, more realistic, and tougher than our current Commandante Downgrade, King Putt, Champion of the Golf Course, and Exploiter of Perks Par Excellence.
I’m coming to the same conclusion and wonder if Klavan hasn’t as well, precisely for the reason you mention.
Romney may be a bit more likely to beat Obama, but if Gingrich can control himself (admittedly, a risk), he can do as well simply by being the smartest and most reasonable guy in any room.
From a policy perspective, Gingrich, despite being loathed by many conservatives who totally buy into the msm’s memes about him, is definitely more conservative and better able to get his way than Romney is.
In addition, even though Newt isn’t a current leader in the polls, he has run a shrewd campaign, particularly given the fact that he hasn’t been able to raise money like Romney or Perry. He has done well in the debates. He has good policy proposals. He has been statesmanlike. He has focussed on Obama, and the media, so he hasn’t offended any potential supporters.
I’m not set on him yet because of the electability factor, but the longer he hangs in there, the more electable he becomes, particularly if the others begin firing on Cain, which seems nearly inevitable.
I fully agree. Newt would be a great president. People need to think of doing the greater good for America by voting for Newt. This is the most important election in our lifetime. Getting it wrong will be devastating for America. Newt would stand up against the media attacks and expose Obama for what he truly is – an amateur, a destroyer, a liar, an incompetent and a communist. Newt will annihilate Obama in a debate. I love to picture Obama after a debate with Newt, cowering in a corner in the fetal position, drooling an sucking his thumb. Picture it – it will make you feel better! I truly think Newt and Cain are the strongest candidates. I also like Perry, but he is such a weak debater and that has hurt him terribly, along with his illegal stance. I also am not an overly religious person and don’t care for “bible-thumpers”. I’ve known many who were complete hypocrites. Not that Perry is one, but people who are too religious strike me as having something to hide and use their religion to cover up something. I don’t trust them. I am sad that Perry has proven to be a weak debater, which has (rightfully or wrongfully) rendered him a weaker candidate. I was also for Christie – but have done a complete turnaround since he announced his endorsement for Romney. That proved beyond a doubt that Christie will go along with the Washington elite and “good ‘ol boys club” because you know the old guard Republicans and Washington elite crowd encouraged him to endorse Romney. Washington elites want someone who is easily manipulated and that’s why Romney is their man. Gingrich and/or Perry would not be pushovers to their demands.
Whenever I take online quizzes to see which candidate most closely holds views similar to mine – like this one – Newt Gingrich wins.
I would happily vote for Gingrich, Cain or Palin. But I think Obama will get 46% no matter what, and the MSM will trash any of these 3 enough to get Obama over the top.
We aren’t going to get the real Conservative we want. But I reckon that we can be a lot more pleased with Romney than we were the Bushes. It seems that the harm that’s been done us over the last years was done, not by Republicans who went the way the wind blows, but by Republicans who were actively against conservative governance and principles. Like the Bushes and essentially the whole GOP establishment. Immigration is a very blatant example of that, but it’s true of all our issues. Getting someone like Romney who will at least do what we wish done as Conservatives, not stand against like a liberal in GOP clothing, that will be a huge improvement.
well well.
A commentor who thinks for himself. Congrats!
It’s an interesting observation, and one I haven’t seen ANYWHERE else. Even if it isn’t true, it is something worth thinking about. (ps: I’m going to use it).
You have a good brain.
One of the things I’m getting a bit upset about is that many people seem to get locked into a way of thinking and can’t get outside of it to think about 2011 and 2012 as they are now. “rino rino rino” is one example. “always support the most conservative candidate” is another. Politicians are always bad is a third. For any of those three, I’ve said them all myself, and believed them. But now we are in a situation with 8 or 9 candidates and a marxist in the White House who does one thing well…campaigning. If an old paradigm doesn’t help to defeat that guy, I say ditch it.
That’s why I like your thought. It’s outside the box. Not in a wild unpredictable way either. Just a clear aha moment that makes you think about somebody from a different angle.
I love you Mr. Klavan. That said, I think you are off base in your trashing of Mitt Romney. Mr. Romney loves America and loves the Free Market. He is a great leader and is the perfect man for these difficult times. Romney is a man who loves accepting a difficult challenge and has a proven record of saving failing businesses. Romney understands how jobs are created. I love hearing others make the best case for their choice being at the top of the GOP ticket. I do not appreciate tearing down other candidates because whatever is said now will be used against us by those who hate America and want to see the founding principles of this country replaced by a collectivist welfare state.Please, make your case for Gingrich or Cain or Perry but do not attempt to sway people by diminishing the other candidates.
If he loves the free market, why did he sign Romneycare?
if you treasure the free market, you do not sign a law that REQUIRES people to buy something.
I don’t think the word “love” means what you think it means
WHY SETTLE FOR OUR SECOND CHOICE?
No need to settle for the lesser of two evils next year! Have you noticed that Marxist Obama’s approval is in the toilet, particularly among the brain dead “moderates?” He has already LOST the “independents” and is rapidly losing the blue collar “Reagan Democrats.” Even the black community is becoming disillusioned and the rabid left is becoming unhinged.
The GOP does NOT need to nominate another Bob Dole, Bush I, or loser McCain to WIN. Just about any of the candidates except for Ron Paul or non-starters like Huntsman or Santorum can defeat Obama. Why then settle for a warmed over Democrat-socialist LITE type like Romney?
The nation is ready for MAJOR STRUCTURAL REFORM. The “system” is broken. All Romney wants to do is re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. Conservatives must unite behind Herman Cain. No “government experience?” GOOD! That’s the kind of “experience” that’s gotten us into our current mess. Bet the voters think so too. Most polls show it.
This nation has a for a genuine new start. Why blow it on another tepid RINO?
I think fully half of the postings on this thread are working for the Obama campaign. If you want Obama raise your hands, sheeple. Here is one for you all. Exactly what is this collective conscience we are all supposed to have? There is absolutely no consciousness that exists outside the mind of each individual. Humans wouldn’t have even built societies except that they recognized the personal advantages given by the division of labor. Liberty cannot exist as long as the division of labor is not voluntary. State control of labor and life cannot allow for that. Obama does not know this and thinks that we are all somehow Borg. Romney is not a great leader and is certainly not my choice for a President, but at least he is not a communist.
No, the big reason to oppose Romney (Obamney) is not because of issues in the past like Romneycare and various flip-flops. It is because he is STILL pushing a non-conservative line – i.e., his ‘tax cuts for the middle class’, which is a defacto disproportionate tax on the ‘rich’ – which actually, in his calculations, is anyone making over 200k. He is so tone deaf (and so much a stranger to true conservative instincts), that he thinks this policy approach will get him elected. In true Omama fashion, he is trying to appeal to dems and independents while at the same time speaking out of the other side of his mouth to the base. Appealing to everyone, pleasing no-one. Sound familiar?
The main reason to oppose Romney is because he is Romney.
Just today Romney has embraced the message of OWS. This is no different than what the did in 1994 regarding the Contract with America.
When Newt announced the Contract the media ridiculed it and went to Romney with their snarkey questions about the Contract and Romney established himself as what he still is today, a spineless squish lacking vision and leadership.
Romney’s answer; “That’s the House, I’m running for the Senate.”
The source of that answer is Identicle to the source of Romney embracing the OWS Message, Following the MSM rather than showing leadership and vision.
Romneycare is only another example of Romney following an MSM Meme rather than leading in another direction. He simply managed a Liberal Mess better than a Democrat, and that’s what he’ll do as President.
A Romnye can’t change is spots. It’s beyond his ability. He is not a conservative and he is not a leader, he’s a manager and that’s all he will ever be.
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Yes, let’s go for it!!! Let’s get a real conservative while we have a chance: Cain.
When you have a patient bleeding to death in the ER, the first order of business is to stop the bleeding. You do not wait for the perfect doctor and the perfect team of nurses to put together the perfect plan. You go with what you’ve got.
Personally my favorites were Mitch Daniels and Sarah Palin. But they are out and that is that. The first order of business is to save the country. The election of Romney is not the end of the story, it is just the beginning of a long struggle. But it would be a first step.
Also, for all we know, Romney may turn out better than we expect. There are many things I do not like about him, but everybody says he is a decent man who loves his country, and he is a turnaround expert. He can probably do quite a bit for the economy, if only by stopping the Obama policies which have impeded recovery. That will give all Republicans and all Americans a boost. He may grow into the job. It happens. Look up “Chester A. Arthur” some time.
JJ you make good sense. This thing is going to happen pretty fast and the opposition has many advantages, but none that preordain an outcome.
I voted for Romney in the primary (AZ) in 2008. If he is the nominee, I agree that his heart is in the right place. Being a turnaround guy doesn’t hurt either. When I look at his sons and their wives, call it what you want, but being Mormon sure looks good on these folks. Lastly, I don’t see a man that wants to be president for the sake of being president; his motivation is to help secure this nation’s finances and heal our divisions for the a better future.
I like to think of Mitt and a technocrat fixer with boundless enery who can appeal to independents, Repubican and yes, the Tea Party.
You forgot to mention his wife who he met in high school and she waited for him until after his 2 year mission and he has been a good husband, good father and good grandfather. He loves the country and he will turn around the mess that oblaba has created. HIs wife now has multiple sclerosis and he will be a good and faithful husband.
If your not sick of seeing him spend our money on his Canadian bus and saying it is not a fund raiser – I can’t stand the site of him any more. And no (for you sicko’s) it’s not because of his skin color, cause I could look at Cain all night and would be happy to watch him.
Apparently you’ve missed the fact that there are several other Republican candidates on the stage during the current debates. Not JUST Romney.
I’m getting a bit tired of Establishment sellouts acting like it’s the General Election and Romney is the only opposition to Obozo NOW.
This is the Primary. This is where we get to choose someone who is NOT Romney BEFORE it’s too late and he’s the only choice.
jd
Perhaps you’ve missed the fact the others are unelectable?
Mikey;
So was that Crazy John Bircher – Ronald Reagan.
So I’m going to say to you, Bovine Fecees!
Look down mikey.
I haven’t forgotten anything—Romney was my 3rd choice after Daniels and Palin. If he is nominated I hope he asks Senator Rubio to join him on the ticket.
While we have many challenges, I do not think that the job of putting the country back on the right track will be as difficult as Klavan makes it out to be. Our job is not to eliminate Liberalism. We have always had Liberals and always will, and in small doses they have made important contributions to our society. My guess would be that a few months of any Republican administration would do so much for business confidence that the economy would boom. That would guarantee another term for Romney after which young Rubio would be ready to go. If you don’t think that 16 years of Romney/Rubio would be an improvement over Obama, I have to say with all due respect that I can’t take your analysis seriously.
Cain is a great guy but he has no political experience. The Washington sharks would eat his lunch. He’d do a great job at Treasury.
Obama 41%, Cain 43%
Obama 43%, Romney 41%
Today’s Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups
Please think before saying the sales tax portion of Cain’s plan is a mistake. The democrats are one majority away from enacting the damn thing anyway, it’s been discussed mulitple times. Having a conservative enact a reasonable alternative is not an assumption that the democrats wouldn’t. If we continue to win congressional seats we avoid raising that tax. And a constituional amendment to require 2/3 vote to raise any of these numbers could be a welcome addition. Push for that, not against a good plan…
“Go on Romney’s website. Look at his proposals.”
More political promises. I’ll vote for his promises when he promises his life if he fails to meet those promises. Otherwise I must vote on his deplorable record, not on his pie-in-the-sky speeches.
Otherwise you will vote for Obama, having reviewed HIS track record? Or are you just talking about your state’s primary?
The only reason the president is so dang important is because the legislature continues to surrender power to the executive. The legislature should use its power and remind the president they are coequal branches of government. Would it really matter if a RINO is in president if we have a legitimately conservative leaning senate and congress? All this focus on the president is where small government people lose the argument. We should continue to push to elect conservatives on state wide elections and in the federal legislature. The fact that the President domestically is so important shows that the ideological war was almost lost long ago.
I love Cain but will take a Romney if I can also cast more votes for people like Marco Rubio, Allen West, and Governor Scott.
The People elected President Obama, they can again
This country won’t be saved in the election, it will only be saved when the TEA Party types get in the classroom and teach some basic math and economics to the dumb masses in the education system at all levels.
And a few lessons on natural law and property rights.
The plastic smiley man is a big fake, along with Al-Gore worshipper Perry.
Unsurprisingly, this article is nonsense. Take a stand man. We have the candidates we have, warts and all. Pick one. I’ll take Cain.
Right on, David!
You got that right. I like Mr. Cain too and will support him 100% if he can make it. What some don’t realize is how anger affects your thinking; if we keep takin’ down the primary candidates for whatever reason, we face the O juggernaut divided and demoralized. End of case.
Let me offer this bit of historical revisionism:
If in 1980, the Republicans had nominated George H.W. Bush for President instead of Ronald Reagan, history would have turned out pretty much the same. Bush’s platform was similar to Reagan’s, even including supply-side tax cuts (surprise!):
http://www.4president.org/brochures/1980/georgebush1980brochure.htm
And Carter was doomed anyway. Even Democrats didn’t have any reservations about GHW Bush’s qualifications to be President. He would have beaten Carter easily.
So a lot of pining for “another Reagan” is pointless. We (and the nation) would have done well in the 1980s even if some other Republican had been elected President. The political climate had just swung in the GOP’s direction generally.
And I think the same thing is true today.
Romney is certainly not “another Reagan.” But he doesn’t have to be. He only has to be a Republican in a time when Republican conservatism is ascendant again.
I guess you missed what happened between 1988 and 1992.
Let Me Refresh your memory.
Bush at the convention: “Read My Lips, NO NEW TAXES”
that’s what he said.
Bush as President: “New Taxes? Why sure, I’ll sign that. After all, we’re taxing the RICH with this new luxury tax.”
Check with any boat builder for a second opinion ragarding that Luxury Tax.
Now take your Bovine Defication theories and scram out of here.
jd ol’ buddy me thinks you have the dreaded bovine (cow) defecation (anal) obsession goin’ on: your prescription is: stop blogging until the am
Nope!
No obsession.
Just calling Bolshevik when I see it.
Technically, that’s a counterfactual, not revisionism. That is, unless you want us to believe G. H. W. Bush WAS actually elected.
I’m pretty down on purity tests and if Romney is the nominee, I’ll vote for him. That said I don’t see him as a guy who’ll rock any boats and he may well find himself at odds with a more conservative Congress. I remember ’80 and ’88 – ’92 and I disagree that things wouldn’t have been much different if Bush I had won. Bush was a go along to get along guy, Reagan wasn’t. Reagan could compromise but he made sure the compromise was in his desired direction; he understood incrementalism as the left practices it and knew how to use it too. Bush stupidly thought that he could accomodate his “good friends”across the aisle on the tax deal and then, predictably, they screwed him because they weren’t afraid of him; they were afraid of Reagan because of his mastery of the ‘bully pulpit.” Bush would NEVER have defied his advisors and given the “tear down this wall” speech over their recommendations; wouldn’t have been prudent. All that said, Dana Carvey is still more responsible for his defeat than Bill Clinton, oh, and that idiot Ross Peee Row.
I’ll vote for Cain but I won’t vote for Romney, much of why is above. If Romney is the go to guy then I suspect the Libertarian Party will be picking up some percentage. And we damned sure better stack Congress with conservatives.
Why worry about stacking the congress, you will vote for obama and he will go around the congress just as he has already. You know that under the table thingey. Support and vote for whomever in the primaries, but you had better get rid of this fraud in the office, or we won’t have an election 4 years from now. Obama is right on course for soros. The protestors are there to cover fast and furious and solyndra and every other thing he has done!
JUST SAY NO TO RINO ROMNEY IN FLORIDA!
Mitt Romney is NOT a conservative, barely a real Republican. Newt put it succinctly recently; he is the Nelson Rockefeller of today. I’m old enough to have worked in the Barry Goldwater campaign back in 1964. That year we lost, but we finally made the GOP the conservative party and planted the seeds for Ronald Reagan in 1980. At the same time we hoped we’d crushed forever the northeastern liberal “Republican” establishment personified by New York governor Nelson Rockefeller. But the hydra headed monster is back.
It is Mitt Romney, the “last hope” of the inside the beltway GOP “leadership” establishment! Another northeastern former governor (People’s Republic of Taxachussetts,) he is exactly what the Tea Party conservatives have been fighting against. The base of today’s GOP is the SOUTH, MIDWEST, AND WEST, and the Tea Party is the core of conservative activists who decide who our nominee will be. We DO NOT want Romney!
Why? First look at his record. He’s been on both sides of almost every major issue but seems to have his natural philosophical “home” with the center-left. His vile “Obamneycare” socialized medicine program in Massachusetts is the most telling example. It IS the basis for Obamacare! The same individuals who advised HIM on HIS socialist program also helped the Democrat-socialists craft Obamacare (see link below.) THAT alone disqualifies him for the GOP nomination. Yes I KNOW states have the right to do what they want. But we don’t want a governor who did such a thing to his own state as our nominee!
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/11/white-house-met-with-three-romney-advisors-to-draft-obamacare/
As if THAT weren’t enough we also now learn that he bought in to Al Gore’s absurd anti-industry, anti-life man caused “global warming” nonsense; still refuses to denounce it. Not surprising since HIS “environmental” advisor was John Holdren, environmental extremist and now “science” adviser to the Obamanistas. See link below.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=588168&p=1
But even politically, Romney is the WRONG choice. The Tea Party movement sprang up spontaneously in 2009 in response to Obamacare being shoved down our throats. It is the REAL VOICE of American conservatives and can provide, as it did in 2010, the activists and “boots on the ground” to achieve an overwhelming GOP victory in 2012. How on EARTH can Romney campaign against socialist Obama on THIS issue? He can’t. Moreover, millions of our traditionalist-religious conservative brethren could, as with loser McCain in 2008, sit out the election or at very least be most unenthusiastic.
We CAN stop the Romney locomotive here in Florida! We need to unite behind ONE genuine conservative candidate in our January 31st primary. For all his slick performance and huge money reserves, Romney can be beaten here and in South Carolina. Time to unite behind ONE genuine conservative leader who not only can beat Romney, but defeat Obama and bring in CONSERVATIVE Republican congress. That man is Herman Cain.
Well said, very well said. Romney has a SOLID 25% that means 75% DO NOT want Romney… time for the 75% to coalesce behind a TRUE conservative Herman Cain.
You are kidding right?
Herman Cain as President?
This is no time for a neophyte President. We need someone who is Business Savvy, Politics savvy and can UNITE the Country in a Positive Direction. Cain has NO Experience. IF and it is a BIG If, we win in 2012 we have FOUR years to make a difference, to make a good start unravelling Obama’s Monster SNAFU and move this Country to less tax’s and more Job’s?
Can Cain move through the bureaucratic maze in Washington? Does he have the Political Acumen to cut Taxes?
NOPE. Cain is a dream; He is the Obama of the Right. A Suit that talks Big.
Cain has a lot of business experience and is hardly a neophyte. Can he navigate the political maze? I don’t know. Of course, I don’t know that Romney or Perry can, either. Gingrich is the only one with real Washington experience, if that’s what you’re worried about.
Herman Cain supported TARP. That is the clearest indicator that he is not a true conservative (like Santorum or Bachmann). Cain’s better than Romney (or shall we say – he has different advantages and disadvantages), but a real free-market, fiscal conservative, he is not.
I’m sick and tired of holding my nose at the Ballot Box. Proudly voted for Nixon, Reagan and both Bushes. Held my nose for Bob Dole and voted for Palin and not McCain.
My guess is that Perry will fizzle out before Thanksgiving while Romney is busy cutting his own throat right now.
Herman Cain seems the only viable, logical choice. It also looks like more and more voters are wising up to that.
For those who want to nominate Herman Cain, a business man and self proclaimed one issue candidate, I ask you to remember these two words:
Ross Perot
Cain will lose BIG time against Obama. It will be a massacre. Guaranteed. Sorry but it will.
Cain’s not a “self proclaimed one issue candidate”. He has a lot of issues, but he’s chosen one to run on.
Perot’s candidacy was quite different; there’s no comparison with Cain’s.
The criticism of Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan misses the point. Opening up a new revenue stream for sales tax for the federal government is less of a concern than leaving things the way things are now. Congress already has the power to increase taxes by taking a vote any time they please. They can do that in more ways than you can imagine. “How can I tax thee? Let me count the ways.” It’s the Democrats who attack the sales tax as regressive. Is that the route they would take to increase taxes under the 9-9-9 plan? I think they would be far more likely to try and score political points by exempting certain groups from the sales tax–not increasing it. We need to look beyond the surface analysis of the Cain plan. As he has pointed out, because levels of business tax will be eliminated along the supply chain, competitive forces will drive prices down as tax cost goes lower. The advantage of the federal sales tax is that it forces tax cheats who are not now paying into the system to pay something into the system. Think of all the “off the books” employees who don’t pay.
I think the national sales tax would be unconstitutional. Cain will probably have to get an amendment passed before a sales tax can be implemented. A tall order that usually takes several years.
Beware of Romney, he is obama lite! He is pro global warming, pro EPA, pro obamacare and pro choice. He will close coal mines and electrical power plants just like obama. I will not hold my nose this time to elect a RINO!
So, who would you vote for if Romney gets nominated?
Of the current crop of politicians, I like Allen West the best. He knows Obama’s a fraud and danger, and he knows Islamism on the march is a real threat to our liberty. He has risked his life to serve our country, he’s a powerful pro-America speaker, and he’s a natural and inspiring leader.
Amen, sister!
Allen West has studied history — military history, Islamic history — and has a profound comprehension of the Constitution. He sees the big picture, is not afraid to call people out on their bullshit, and is a confident (and confidence-inspiring) leader of men.
The Occupy thing is spreading worldwide, the Middle East is crazier than ever, Europe’s economy is about to collapse — with ours soon to follow — it’ll be a miracle if we even HAVE elections 13 months from now. But if we somehow to manage to hang on until late-summer of next year, when the parties have their conventions, maybe we could have an old-fashioned “brokered” convention and DRAFT Allen West for the nomination.
If what you all want is Social Conservative Change – Then what about Bachmann, she has walked the Walk and talked the Talk for years now. She Know how Washington works and can get things done.
There is NO ONE else in the GOP field with the Conservative background of both Social and Fiscal Issues, she is supported by the TEA Party and is a Straight Shooter. Cain ain’t got the Goods, a businessman with no background to get things done in the Washington Swamp.
Michelle Bachmann can.
or are you all a All Good Old Boys Only Club?
Romney is the best bet. no one else is going to run. articles like this dont accomplish a whole lot.
The lesson of Christine O’Donnell is lost indeed
If we allow a Romney candidacy we are effectively admitting that we the conservative base/Tea party are irrelevant, meaning we’ll never be taken seriously
again and the rinos will own the party permanently. I for one will not vote for him, even if it means an obama victory. If that comes to pass, I will become a dedicated seccesionist, because America at that point will be over.
TEN REASONS TO SUPPORT ROMNEY:
1 – HE RAN TO THE RIGHT OF MCCAIN IN 2008 AND HAS STAYED THERE.
2 – HE WAS ENDORSED IN 2008 BY DEMINT, RUSH, LEVIN AND HANNITY. NOW BY COULTER.
3 – HE HAS A BETTER TAX AND ECONOMIC PLAN THAN CAIN AND A BETTER IMMIGRATION PLAN THAN PERRY AND THEY ALL HAVE GOOD ENERGY PLANS.
4 – HE IS BETTER ON WW4 THAN CAIN OR PERRY.
5 – HE WON’T BE OUTSPENT.
6 – HE WILL WIN THE DEBATES – CAIN AND PERRY WOULD LOSE.
7 – WE WILL ATTARCT THE MST IDNEOPENDENTS AND DEMOCRATS OF ANY GOP CONTENDER – AS EVIDENCED BY HIS MASS GOV VICTORY.
8 – HE GOT US A GOP SENATOR FROM MASS – BETTER THAN ANY DEM.
9 – HE ENDROSED RUBIO VERY VERY EARLY.
10 – HE IS A PROVEN MANAGER OF PRIVATE AND PUBLIC AND GOVERNMENT AND POLITICAL AFFAIRS – REMEMBER: HE SAVED THE OLYMPICS.
BONUS: OBAMA GOT A HARVARD JD. ROMNEY GOT A HARVARD JD AND MBA —- AT THE SAME TIME!
NOTE: MORMONISM IS ONLY 100 YEARS YOUNGER THAN MANY OTHER VERY RESPECTED CHRISTIAN SECTS. IT IS WEIRDER TO ME THAN OTHERS, BUT MORMON COMMUNITIES AND FAMILIES PROVE THAT THE VALUES MORMONISM IMPART ARE GOOD. AND MORMONS IN BOTH OARTIES HAVE SERVED THE USGOV WELL FOR 100 YEARS.
I AM A JEW, AND CAN SEE THE DEEP CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE SO-CALLED NEW TESTAMENT AND THE BIBLE. I KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE BOOK OF MORONI AND THE NEW AND OLD TESTAMENTS. BUT THE COPTS HAVE DIFFERENT TEXTS AND NO ONE DPOUBTS THAT THEY ARE CHRISTIANS. MANY SECTS IN THE FIRST 500 YEARS OF CHRISTIANITY – WITH DIFFERENT TEXTS – DISAPEARED.
I THINK CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT MITT’S MORMONISM SHOULD FOLLOW THE ADVICE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT:
BY THEIR FRUTIS YOU SHALL KNOW THEM.
I THINK THE FRUITS OF MORMONISM HAVE BEEN FINE.
THEREFORE:
I THINK CONSERVATIVES SHOULD REMEMBER REAGAN’S 11TH AMENDMENT AND STOP THRASHING MITT; HE’S OKAY. HE REALLY IS: MY TEN PONTS PROVE IT.
It might be worth reading this IF YOU WEREN’T SHOUTING AT US!!!!!
You know some times when you read all the hate about Romney you just have to scream! No one is listening! You go for it Tom and I agree with you. They try and make him out to be a devil and he isn’t. He is a good man and I know what corruption he had to deal with in the Olympics and he turned it around. He would be careful with the public’s money – he took 1.00 a year for 4 years. The volunteers ended up with lovely outfits, watches etc. He did this and left the state in the black. The only Olympics to do that.
It hurts me to hear all the ranker about him – and no I’ve never met him personally, but would like to. I wanted to vote for Rubio/West or Liz Cheney as vp. But I will be proud to cast my vote for Romney.
Sorry, I was supporting 62. Reliapundit not tom!
Proved it, didja? Hmm….
1 – HE RAN TO THE RIGHT OF MCCAIN IN 2008 AND HAS STAYED THERE. No, he just did a McCain and came out for AGW, even after the facts came out. McCain has changed his position since the facts came out.
5 – HE WON’T BE OUTSPENT. Yes, he will, because the base of the Party, the 75% who are not supporting him now, will not be giving him much, and more importantly, will not be campaigning hard for him. He raised $17m this qtr. Obama raised $43m. the conservative together raised more than Romney.
6 – HE WILL WIN THE DEBATES – CAIN AND PERRY WOULD LOSE. No, Romney would tie in the debates, because he holds many of the same positions as Obama. Gingrich or Cain would crush Obama.
7 – WE WILL ATTARCT THE MST IDNEOPENDENTS AND DEMOCRATS OF ANY GOP CONTENDER – AS EVIDENCED BY HIS MASS GOV VICTORY. MA is not representative of the whole nation. There is also a reason he did not run for re-election.
8 – HE GOT US A GOP SENATOR FROM MASS – BETTER THAN ANY DEM. No, Scott Brown got us Scott Brown. Romney is not polling so well in MA, these days.
Even if you were not so outrageously wrong, it wouldn’t matter. He is not even out-polling Obama even now. Even if he were to win, how would he govern? Like a Democrat, as he did in MA. If we win with Romney, we win nothing. The Dems will be thrilled with his governing style.
I seem to remember Romney meekly raising his hand when all the Republicans were asked to raise their hands if they believe in AGW. He was not alone, all but Fred Thompson did so as well. So I don’t think he has changed his COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS position on AGW since he ran against McCain. I think none of today’s candidates have done enough to slice up Obama on this AGW crap.
I have never seen the degree of turbulence among Republicans that I witness now. It is, of course, a choice between the Lady and the Tiger. There is no safe harbor. Those of us who really understand these things know that the Germans of the 1930s were not idiots, either, and look where it got them. The leftover 60s hippys never, ever take time to reflect upon their stupidity. They are accustomed to having us save theoir bacon because we are Americans, too, and don’t want them to destroy the country while we’re living in it. They rely on that.
I do want to offer you some insight, which we no longer have much experience of, but our lizard brains delight in. Don’t choose a candidate based on all kinds of etherial lies, which we never really expect anyone to honor. Go with your lizard brain, or, if you will, your Beagle brain.
I have seven Beagles. Their politics are extremely complex. You might have seven Labradors, but it is not the same. 3000 years of pack hunting have made them what they are. They respect all the members, whether they are all-stars, or old, decrepit, single-toothed pensioners, and each has their purpose. They play the most complicated games, and have an extraordinary heirarchy. The most interesting thing, though, is when we brought in our new Alpha dog, when she was just a tiny puppy. From the first moment, everyone else was afraid of her. She intimidated everyone. The former Alpha (the present Alpha Emeritus)finally brought her up for her rudeness, but it was apparent that she was a cut above the rest. They watched her as she grew, and today, she is the true Alpha, setting the pace, dealing with bad behavior, dealing with those pesky humans, who they love extremely. Her eventual ascendency happened gradually, as she gradually proved her true worth, but prove it she did. Yet, those Beagles knew her true worth from day one.
How did they know this, when we can’t even get around a person’s tiny faults? Everyone has them. Why do some faults matter, while Obama, who has such obvious faults, and who never displayed any true worth or talent at all (if someone tells me he’s a great orator again, I will throw up! He’s a buffoon!). How can the Beagles judge merely by the “look” of a candidate, while we stupid humans waste our time trying to discern true values form the lies of a bunch of lawyers, who, after all, are trained to lie.
Beagles have a wonderful polity, based on their gut. I have never known them to be wrong. Our culture is dying, because we all let tiny little problems with our candidates determine our choice, so Obama can finish destroying America.
Let’s not discard our silent, inner compass. If you really trust a candidate, no matter how unusual you might think the choice, go with it. Do you think the citizens who voted in 1800 were better informed than we? I think not, but they were far more disposed to picking the guy they just plain liked. Maybe we should try it. It’s called trust.
I wanna be a Beagle. You’d be amazed how happy they are.
John J,
There are two kinds of Republicans;
1) Republicans who want to elect Republicans for the Sole Purpose of Electing Republicans.
2) Republicans who want to elect Republicans in order to Accomplish Something.
The Type 2 republicans have been told time and again over the years to ‘Sit Down and Shut Up’ by the Type 1′s. (See the Toomey / Spectre Primary for a detailed example of this in action.)
In 2006 the type 2′s had become so disgusted by the failure of Republican House, Republicans Senate and Republican President to actually accomplish things like Ending NEA, Ending NRO etc etc that they sat out the 2006 election and allowed Pelosi to take over the House.
This was followed by 2008 when they watched the Type 1s foist John McCain on the scene. (they did get a bit excited when HcCain picked Palin, but the handlers made sure she was neutralized before she could excite them too much.)
Then, in 2009, when Obama did what every ‘Reasonable’ Republicans said he would NEVER do (That is LURCH LEFT) the Type 2s began the TEA Party.
What you see playing out is the power struggle between the Type 1s and the Type 2s.
Type 1s are staunch supporters for Romney and they make up roughly 23% of the Republican Base. Type 2s are feeling out the person they can trust to actually DO something and not undercut them as Boehner has already done this year.
It’s going to get worse before it gets better because the MSM sides with the type 1s knowing if a type 1 is elected Nothing of substance will change, only tinkering around the edges.
jd
Good post. I trust Herman Cain and think he’d make a great president. That includes foreign policy. Good foreign policy requires a philosophy and consistency behind it. He has that. America is the world’s leading nation and most Americans don’t realize it’s critical we actually have a clearly defined foreign policy and that the rest of the world knows what it is even if they don’t like it. It’s better to have a policy they understand but don’t like than to have such a malleable foreign policy they are unsure of where we are coming from.
Also, Cain’s experience as a businessman required a few things such as leadership, deal making, an understanding of proper presentation, problem solving and a judicious use of resources. That’s exactly what we need right now.
My point, exactly! A quality person is always a quality person.
Thank you, by the way.
Cain may be the guy. The whole concept his 999 plan is a mistake because it adds another stream of taxation is incorrect because it removes FICA taxes. That’s huge. Just don’t understand how so many ignore that when claiming a new income tax stream is installed. Yea, it is with the sales tax but it removes another and so there is no net new form of taxation.
Frankly, conservatives should applaud the plan. Liberals may one day, if they are in power, raise the income and business tax rates but they are not likely to raise the sales tax being so visible and according to them, regressive. It’s also doubtful they could get away with new payroll taxes without repealing the sales tax.
It’s a win/win if nothing more than getting rid of the absurd complexity of the current code.
Cain supported TARP – and no, I don’t want to hear any excuses about it. He is also going incremental with his (unpassable, unworkable) tax plan, instead of supporting the Fair Tax straight away. Doesn’t pass the ‘smell test’. Cain is a true conservative like Perry is a true conservative. Not.
So prove Cain supported TARP.
It came out in the WashPost Bloomberg debate
http://www.conservativehq.com/article/4993-romney-and-cain-defend-big-government-tarp-outrage
I haven’t liked Romney for quite some time. He reminded me of too many people I met in the auto industry. Very good at saying what they thought you wanted to hear. When the rubber hit the road they were elsewhere. After the dust was long settled, they would appear full of good things to say. Romney is not what we need, but he’s better than B.O. Hell, a head of cabbage is better than B.O.
Please no more of this ‘if they nominate Romney I am staying home’. Did we learn nothing in 2008? All this hyperbola about Romney is Obama Lite sounds very much like what we heard about McCain from the stalwarts.
But what if McCain had been elected? True we would only suspect how bad things could have become without the concrete proof but:
A president McCain would not be the fellow an Iranian hit squad would want to test by trying bomb an embassy.
And a president MCain though a bit of an optimist about bailing out the banks would have followed through on a very strong record of fighting waste.
A president McCain would have probably saddled us with some global warming malarky but probably have not shut down energy exploration in the middle of the worst recession in a generation.
and on and on.
Lets dont have the same regrets after re electing Obama and settling in for a decade long depression.
Ridiculous. How would McCain have governed? We do know. AGW? Yep. War in Libya and elsewhere? Yep. TARP and bailouts? Yep. Drilling? No. He refused to drill in ANWR. We absolutely know McCain, because McCain is in government right now. Where are his bills to change things? He still reaches across the aisle, blah, blah, blah.
Just so you understand, that “global warming malarkey” is the end of freedom. The end! “Oh, Romney won’t be so bad.” Bull!
The rest of you guys try to get this: Romney is not the only choice out there. We do not have to settle for a lousy Romney, another plastic politician. Understand that many of us are adamantly saying no. Instead of chiding us for it, as if he is all there is, you should be stepping back from Romney and accepting that we will vote for most any of the others. Choose. Someone. Else! We are not kidding!
You are just so desperate to beat Obama, and you think Romney has the best chance. It is just not true. He’s the one with the worst chance, because he is the one with the fiercest opposition from the Conservative base. Take the hint, dammit. He is a deal-breaker here. This is very bad. He divides us. We can unite behind almost anyone else, so choose someone else. You do not have to have Romney Choose. Someone. Else.
Cain. Santorum. Gingrich. Bachmann. Even looney Paul or pothead Johnson. (But not the Romney-like Huntsman) Choose any of those, and we can unite and win. I am willing to hold my nose and vote for one of them that I may not prefer. Not. Romney. Okay? Sheesh.
Amen! (and said better than I usually manage)
McCain is an old man who has never read anything more complicated than a Stephen King novel. McCain, however, fought against communism and that made him a lot different from Barack Obama. Vote for any purist you want, and I will too, and then let’s keep our focus on the real enemy.
Hey, it’s not a big deal to me, but you are not being very realistic here. You are rejecting your best shot at winning because you have an allergy to Romney.
On the other hand, I will bet $100 that if Romney does get the nomination, once he starts battling with Obama, you will jump in with both feet to support him. You won’t be able to help yourself, especially once Obama and the media start attacking him.
Yes. If perchance Romney gets what he has always wanted — the nomination and the presidency — he too will fail, and 2016 will bring yet more desperation for real leadership. We are in a period similar to the runup to the Civil War, when a series of inept one-term presidents shuffled through until there was a singularity, and a great man came to the fore.
Oh well, I honestly tried to find the answer to this Republican Nominee question but everything came up wrong.
The mistake the republican voters CANNOT make is grab the guy the country is going to be so mad at in ’16 it goes back Democratic. Anyone remember ’06 and ’08?
Let the RNC game the system to give us the electable, while we put out every RINO and Democrat in both houses for the next 8 years so that no matter who’s the Exec, they cannot get around congress.
Speaking of getting around congress, the glaring fact so many seem to ignore is that there is not one, zero, willing to investigate the law breaking going on by the ‘resident. Issa may eventually have Holder, but noone is betting Holder will give up ‘traitor.
He’s a British Colony Subject, a muslim, a fraud and now a criminal for holding the office he has, in violation of the Constitution.
What About Newt!!!
If Newt actually becomes a top-tier candidate, I’d want to know more about his ties to the Legion of Christ. The sentence “Newt Gingrich is a well-known, Atlanta-area convert to Catholicism who recently made a documentary about John Paul II with Fr Thomas Williams, LC” is filled with red flags for those of us familiar with the situation. The LCs are huge bad news and if Newt made a documentary with them, he’s either extremely foolish or cooperating with them.
(Off on a slight tangent: Fr Williams was recently caught in a big lie over the Zenit News flap with Jesus Colina.)
Y’all need to take a chill pill. Politics is not about purity. No matter who the GOP nominates, he will be an enormous improvement over Hussein, and a good deal more conservative than Bush the Younger.
Relax, have fun, but remember the only important thing is sending Hussein back to Chicago.
No. Romney is not more conservative than Bush 43.
Please Please Please quit confusing a desire for someone with a Backbone and some basic Loyalty to the people who elect you with a “Purity” test.
I have LOTS of issues with the IMPURITY of Cain, Perry, Santorum, Bachman and Paul, but I (like 75% of Base Voters) will gladly support, with enthusiasm, any one of them.
I am not looking for Purity.
I am looking for LOYALTY!
Something Romney Will NOT deliver!
But Andrew, is an all-encompassing savior what we really need? Republicanism has always stood for a virtuous citizenry exercising it’s public duty to advance self-government. Don’t we NOT want a messiah? A competent, non-doctrinaire executive who can run the administration and keep it in check seems to me the best thing.
The drip-drip-drip that brought us to this point has been heard and recognized. Citizens have fanned out at the local level, and are arm wrestling that drip everywhere from school boards to local newspaper editorials to city councils. The “shining city on a hill” brigade is starting at the bottom, and working it’s way up. Yes, it will take a generation.
Go see interviews on Youtube of Yuri Bezmenov, a Soviet defector in 1983. He outlined how Soviets would insert ideas and ideology into U.S. education and media, and reach critical mass in one generation. It’s here. Bezmenov pointed out that Soviets methods required eliminating the protesters, union activists and journalists who helped them overturn capitalism once the “stablization phase” kicked in. (They had, after all, shown a willingness to overthrow a system.) His lectures are on youtube, and quite illuminating.
If you’re looking for a candidate who can make a huge difference, Mitt Romney is the only choice. He has both the knowledge and experience to immediately make an impact. His record as a turnaround expert is exactly what we need today. In the business world he helped turn hundreds of companies around from being at the brink of closure to prosperity. He wasn’t afraid to make the tough choices when it was the right choices to make. Not every company he worked with could be saved, he had the business acumen to recognize this. He took the SLOC from being at the brink of imploding and turned it into the most profitable Olympic Games ever, overcoming huge obstacles financially not to mention enormous security issues. As Governor of Mass. he did an incredible job working with an overwhelming political disadvantage and turned around the financially strapped state, leaving office with a sizable surplus without raising taxes. And he has the courage to admit when he has made mistakes, evidenced by his willingness to openly clarify his positions on a variety of issues. He is a man of integrity, he is a family man, he is highly respected by his peers. He isn’t perfect, no one is, but he is definitely the right candidate for today’s challenges. His commitment to accept the responsibility of leading our nation in these perilous times is noteworthy and should be viewed as a strong manifestation of his love of country. I highly recommend that everyone here take the time to do your homework and get to know the real man that you are speaking so negatively. Get past the talking points and discover who he really is. I promise you’ll be glad you did. His story is amazing. http://americaneedsmitt.com/blog/a-romney-must-read/ http://americaneedsmitt.com/blog/2011/10/14/lies-romney/
America is dying because our people are mostly stupid, greedy and weak – where not actually evil and corrupt. This is a crisis 50 (Great Society welfare state, Civil Rights, changed Immigration), or 80 (New Deal) or 100 (Fed income tax, Federal Reserve) years in the making. Sorry to be rude, but what made America great was that we were a white, Anglo-Saxon, Christian, Constitutional/capitalist society with a lot of virgin land and resources (and high median national IQ). The land is filled, easy resources accessed, Constitution shredded, morality trashed, smart people stopped having large families a century ago – and we’re supposed to rebuild a great nation with a majority of Africans and Mexicans?! Who are you kidding? Face reality, liberals did this to us, and conservatives were too afraid to resist, except around the margins.
Ain’t diversity, socialism and the Sexual Revolution grand?
Sad, but true. Very true.
Cometh the Man… Mitt Romney. You are wrong. Romney has exactly the right skill set to deal with this moment in history.
You are not looking at the right set of problems, if you don’t understand the benefits of the Man who saved the 2002 Winter Olympics and made it the cleanest and most American of Olympics ever.
Mitt Romney cannot be bought, by left or right! He is an old fashioned man of integrity. You don’t recognize it because it is so very rare today. He will not follow you, he will lead, and beckon you to follow him.
Mitt Romney is exactly what we need, whether you want him or not. Mitt Romney cometh.
You want someone who will go along with the very recent redefining of Conservatism into some kind of right wing totalitarianism. To go with the conservative crowd where ever it wanders… but that is not Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney is a leader.
Mitt Romney is for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!!! For all Americans, not just the leftists, and neither just for you, the new-styled
“conservatives”!!!!
It is conservatives who have flip flopped on the meaning of patriotism and conservatism, Mitt Romney is steady and sure, he knows how to succeed, he remembers the true promise of America is not to stop others from being free, even when they are dead wrong!!! But it is to protect the freedom of all.
Winning some kind of revenge against the left is not Mitt Romney’s goal.
Mitt Romney’s goal, is to bring America back to it’s self, it’s best self!!!
Mitt Romney cometh. And he is right.
Romney’s the first true turn-around specialist ever nominated. We need someone to analyze, tear apart, and rebuild–just like he did at Bain. Every previous President talks about doing this, but none of them had ever done it and none did it after they were elected–not even Reagan.
Romney is exactly what we need. It would have been nice to not waste the last 4 years–Obama built a gigantic hole–but better late than never.
Rick Santorum is the man for the job. Seriously. He wants to go further than Paul Ryan does with debt reduction. He knows foreign policy. He’s a great debater. He helped write Welfare Reform. Spent 4 years in the House, 12 in the Senate, and has worked in the private sector. Has an MBA and law degree. He just doesn’t have money. He’s the best shot the GOP has got I think to turn the tide…
http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/rep_bios.php?rep_id=27283374&category=views&id=20110824165804
Klavan is brilliant. And we’ll never get him to run- as Whittle opined once, e get not the number one, the number two, or even the number three or fourth best’- we get the dolts out of a vast sea of idiots.
At least we have Andrew’s History lesson. Learn people, there’s a test in 12 1/2 months. “…if Obama were the cause of the crisis, but he’s the symptom of the crisis, its incarnation as it were. Obama and his ideas are the creation of 40 years of moral error and political failure drip-drip-dripped into the consciousness of the country through our schools, news media, and culture. He could never have won our highest office if the electorate had not been bred by that error to foolishness, and then spurred to an act of panicked stupidity by a crisis that had already come. It’s not Obama’s presidency that needs to be repealed — not just Obama’s presidency — but all the ideas that made Obama’s presidency possible.”
Richard S., your post is right on the money, re: “It’s the “club” stupid. The Repubs and Dems verbally spar, posture, huff and puff and preen for the cameras then, at the end of the day, they all retire to the “club”, put their arms around each other, light their cigars, pour a glass of single malt and then laugh collectively about the “rubes” they represent. Lifetime pensions, premium healthcare, money, power. No downside. We’re NOT in the club.” Yes, but Romney is. The “red versus blue” team scuffle that gets fought around election time is political Kabuki theater, full of sound and fury but signifying nothing. The Democrat versus GOP paradigm is inadequate to explain today’s realities, since the power elites have coopted both parties into what William Lind calls the “Establishment Party.” The real division in today’s America is between the small percentage in our business and political elites who own and run everything, and everyone else, namely the common people. Care to guess which camp Romney falls in? It isn’t the latter. One clue as to why Palin was so forcefully opposed by members of both party establishments is that she does not belong to the elite, but is a common person and therefore a threat.
TurnItAround, re: “Romney’s the first true turn-around specialist ever nominated.” He hasn’t gotten the nod yet. I truly hope you are right, and that my misgivings are off-base, but unfortunately, cynic that I am, I have not gone broke by overestimating the intelligence of the electorate. Nothing I see in Romney tells me he is anything other than an establishment man, a defender of the status quo.
None of the candidates currently in the running for the GOP nomination has passed what this voter regards as the most important single constitutional test we have before us presently, namely none has had the courage to go on record as having misgivings or questions about the constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to occupy the office he now holds, let alone appear on the ballot for 2012. Although our elites are laboring mightily to hide it, the republic is in the midst of its biggest constitutional crisis since the Civil War, because they – the elites of both parties – allowed a usurper and Trojan Horse into the White House in direct violation of article II, section I, clause V of the constitution, aka the natural born citizen clause. Obama was born in Kenya, and therefore does not (and never has) met the standards set forth in the constitution. Yet, Congress, the courts, the media, and every GOP political candidate – remain silent on the issue, and when asked, brush off questions as improper and illegitimate. Santorum did so only a month or so ago at a press conference.
Why is this issue so important? The answer is quite simple: a government willing to violate the constitution over something so important as the election of the president, is unlikely to be bound by anything else in that document. We are now, for the first time in our history, living in a post-constitutional United States of America.
Re: “Allen West has studied history — military history, Islamic history — and has a profound comprehension of the Constitution. He sees the big picture, is not afraid to call people out on their bullshit, and is a confident (and confidence-inspiring) leader of men.” Kathy from KS, and other West fans, I’m with you all the way. Is it too late to draft Col. West as the GOP nominee? We don’t need a politician, we need a statesman, and West is the only one on the horizon with that quality. he’s the nearest thing we have to Geert Wilders in the U.S. and is rock-solid as a conservative.