I was so delighted to have my blog return to Pajamas Media that I really wanted to start off by writing about something important, an issue that really makes a difference in people’s lives, or an idea that perhaps you hadn’t thought of before, that might change the way you look at things. But then I realized: I haven’t made any jokes about Congressman Anthony Weiner’s penis yet. So here we go.
As everyone knows by now, Weiner allegedly tweeted a photo of his erect Democrat to a young woman and then allegedly lied about it while yelling at (and even calling the cops on) reporters who were trying to get at the truth. For purposes of this paragraph, the word “allegedly” means “obviously.”
Of course, being a professional writer, I would consider it beneath my dignity to make some sort of coarse remarks about all this in which the congressman’s name is used as slang for male genitalia or the word “tweet” is used as what we professional writers call a “slant rhyme” for female genitalia. Instead, I wanted to take a serious look at this situation and get at the reasons men such as Weiner behave in this grotesque way.
I blame women. No, really. Women — by which I mean each and every single member of the female gender — you know who you are — need look no further than themselves to explain why Weiner-types behave toward them in this fashion. We men are always hearing complaints from women about how badly we treat them, what pigs we are, how pushy and abrasive… on and on. But what these same women conveniently fail to mention is that this stuff really works on them!
Charles C. Johnson writing about Weiner’s johnson at Big Government reports that the media has long described Weiner as “a lean, mean dating machine,” who has “a bevy of babes surrounding him,” wherever he goes. In other words, this guy has been cleaning up in the romantic department. Arnold Schwarzenegger didn’t seem to have any trouble getting dates either. Neither did alleged serial rapist Dominique Strauss-Kahn of the IMF. Chicks dig these creeps!
So, then, ladies — what do you expect? All we guys want is for you to love us. If this is the sort of guy you follow after in droves, this is the sort of guy we’re encouraged to be. And I have to admit: I don’t get it. I look at Weiner and I see a rude, arrogant, entitled and clearly dishonest little piece of Democrat thoroughly convinced of his wholly non-existent superiority. Physically, he’s a dead ringer for a turtle that’s been pulled out of its shell. And as for his manners… did I mention he takes pictures of his absurdly eponymous package and sends them to women on Twitter!
And that’s the sort of stuff that wins you over, ladies? Well, if it is, expect to see a lot more of it. It’s Darwin 101: men evolve to attract the opposite sex. By natural law, women get what they want from men… it hardly seems fair for them to complain about it when it turns up in their inbox.
So women, here’s some free advice. Stop dating creeps. It only encourages them. The day Weiner can’t find a warm twit to tweet his weiner to is the day you twits find tweeter weiners to tweet your twits. I think you all know what I mean.
The hole point of being a woman is to throw men off the scent.
Andrew, what you have discovered is what pickup artists have already taught thousands of men. They have proved what works on women (which, unsurprisingly, is the opposite of what women *say* they want).
That pickup artists have a better understanding of the female mind than women themselves do, says a lot about how women don’t understand how women think.
Also, read The Misandry Bubble, which is just about the best article on the subject.
Your precious “pickup artists” are actually con artists, trying to get losers like you to shell out money for “classes” in seduction that will never get you anywhere. Save your money and better yourself instead.
Your comment is full of ignorance.
For one thing, all their material can be learned for free on the web. No ‘seminars’ are needed.
And yes, it works extremely well. If you had any experience with women, you would know this. That is why you are so insecure.
Best advice I ever got was from a “chick magnet” who told me, “Sh!t all over them. They’ll love you.”
Yup, that’s the best overall approach I ever found.
So Kenny is claiming that Andrew Klavan is a loser?
Methinks that Kenny is a mangina.
As opposed to your studly self, who bravely talks trash to people from behind the safety of the Internet.
In other words, you don’t get laid.
Kenny is part of the ‘third gender’ that has formed in the West. The role of this gender is as follows.
Pickup Artists know how to seduce women.
Women want to have sex with pickup artists.
Kenny gets to pay the bills, and get even a ‘Thank you’ from the woman!
Everybody wins! Wylee Coyote has the crucial role of financing the necessary coupling of the woman and the pickup artist. Hence, his role is necessary.
I know he’s a mangina.
Nobel prize winning physicist Richard Freyman reported success with the arrogant jerk technique back in his autobiography . Back in late 40′s he was advised to act like a jerk to pick up women and it worked.
So, I think there might be some to it.
Being a jerk apparently works.
I spent my entire life trying to be chivalrous and a gentleman (and still try to be one). Results: Nada. None. Zilch. Watched woman after woman turn me down and pursue jerks (sometimes married jerks), usually with repeated unhappy results for them. But even when they were done with the jerk (or he was done with them), they would never give me a second thought.
This only came to an end because I, inadvertently, acted like a jerk. I met my future wife at a New Years Eve party, helped her in the kitchen (I always try to help at parties) and she came after me… The only reason it took off, I think, was that I thought she was still married and tried to be a friend with her (gentleman remember? Married women are off limits!) – that drove her crazy, until a friend told me that she was A: unmarried and B: after me. (As a result, she’s actually been on three more dates with me, than I have with her!)
Took a long time, but I think we’re both happy with each other.
So I gotta go with Klavan here: Its all the women’s fault. They seem to like men who act like complete and total jerks.
Even Dr. Helen is encouraging young boys to learn pickup-artist techniques, even buying books for teenage boys as gifts.
Good for her. She knows what is up, unlike the warthog women and mangina men over here.
Reading game blogs has tremendously improved my life. Not withstanding the fact that I am old fat and balding, and lots of guys who claim to be good at game say I am woefully bad at it, it still works wonderfully for me. Some guys find that game techniques blow up horribly in their faces, but for me, they worked.
Bah, don’t listen to the idiots replying to you, Ken. PUA techniques are old as dirt. They’re used by drill sergeants; for example “You can’t give me 20 pushups! I bet you can’t even give me 10, you pansy!” So the solider gives him 30. It’s just about making the person feel like you’re better than they are so they want to be with you. That works on some women for a short time, but not all women and definitely not over a long timespan. It’ll get you laid, if that’s all you want. But if that’s all a person wants, then he or she is no different than Weiner and deserves whatever idiotic women he gets.
For a successful marriage, The Bible is a much more effective and respectable guidebook. It’ll get you laid too, but you’ll have an incomprehensible love to go with it. That’s worth far more to me than all the PUA tips and tricks on Earth.
For a successful marriage, The Bible is a much more effective and respectable guidebook.
LOLOLOL!!!!!!!
For a successful marriage, The Bible is a much more effective and respectable guidebook.
LOLOLOL!!!!!!
Many women in church just pretend to be religious as they want some sucker to be their provider. Plus, modern churches are about as far from the Bible as Tupac Shakur was from Miles Davis.
Yeah, your church will shield you from the law, when your pure woman takes you to court for alimony even though SHE was cheating on you.
Your comment is so ignorant that you are doing more to drive men away from marriage than any pickup artist ever could.
Ha, ha, ha; funniest thing I read all day!
Brilliant
Mr. Klaven you are spot on. I have known for years women dont apreciate decent men. the acummer a man is the more women go for them. but then when they get the hell beat out of them by that same scumbag they love so much they blame all of us,
Let me get this straight. You identify yourself as one of those “decent men”?
Excuse me, but there are many of us with high standards who don’t show men like that the door because they never get a foot in it in the first place. We poke them away with a sharp stick. A very long, very sharp stick. And if they got crude, we’d rip their ‘nads off and stick them in the empty sockets where their eyes used to be.
You sure you’re not my wife under an assumed name?
Classic…
Really? Seriously?
Poke them with sharp sticks, rip of ‘nads, and put them into eye-sockets is high standards of conduct?
I get it was joke, or snark – I do, but trying to take it to a higher plane and a higher moral high ground and then mentioning that …. not a shining moment.
And, while I find that, in my experience, ALL women SAY that – the reality is that most women, at various points, go through a “I want a bad boy” phase.
What men see is that women dating guys like that will do the most extraordinarily outlandish things for that man – but come time to be serious, sure they pick a “nice guy”.
But, what that nice guy should reasonably expect is that since she fully expects him to be faithful to her, and to be bound to her emotionally, socially, legally, and financially, and to seek intimacy only from her – then he should get everything and anything she was willing to do with some guy who clearly didn’t treat her nearly as well, and for sure wasn’t committing himself to only her for the rest of his life.
I mean – the woman should also expect, and receive any and all of his “best” ideas, inspirations, and love – as it has to be based on respect and love.
Isn’t that fair?
Christina is one of those bitter women who is not attractive enough to get a man. Look at her shaming language.
All men here need to read two blogs to deeply grasp how women really think :
The Spearhead : http://www.the-spearhead.com
Citizen Renegade : roissy.wordpress.com
“Christina Dunigan
Excuse me, but there are many of us with high standards who don’t show men like that the door because they never get a foot in it in the first place. We poke them away with a sharp stick. A very long, very sharp stick. And if they got crude, we’d rip their ‘nads off and stick them in the empty sockets where their eyes used to be.”
– Actually, there are far too many of your ilk with overly high opinions of self. Your comment above rates very low on the standard scale. As the apple not falling far from the branches so likely goes comment and writer.
Not only are you fortunate that the management of this blog have shown you leniency and not shown you a deserving door out for sharing with us such an expression of your innermost being but fortunate that if your writings were acted out, wouldn’t be met with equal gusto. However, don’t be too surprised if your talk and walk is someday met by someone who somehow views you as an equal.
Fortunately for you Christina I don’t view you as an equal.
Very cold Christina.
I suspect if there is anything more foolish than a woman it would be a man. We pick a life partner based on how small her butt is. You women pick ugly, hairy troglodytes that make noise when they breathe. Big biceps, a hot car, and a credit card and you girls get all hot inside.
Frankly I find men so unattractive that I don’t see why you’re not all lesbians.
Nice! Calls for violence against men is oh so progressive and funny when coming from a strong independent wyminz of the 21st century…
One would wonder if such progressive humor would be taken so lightly if the sexes were reversed…
Me thinketh not.
TMOTS
Yep. When women commit violence against men, it is ‘funny’. Castration in particular is funny.
This shows that no society that allows women to vote can survive for more than 3-4 generations.
There is no such thing as an ‘empowered’ woman – the more a woman claims she is ‘empowered’, the more of a moocher she is, and the more she has devolved back to the stone age.
Yay! Christina! I almost did that in the days of my youth! Some guy scared the h*ll out of me and I skedaddled to the small trailer of a girlfriend of mine until I could leave town. He found her place and knocked at the door. As I huddled in a chair, she, a rather large and burly girl, yelled out the door: “Who is it?”
When the scumbag identified himself and said he was looking for me, she replied, “Get out of here right now. I have a rifle! Do I need to say anything more?”
Apparently, she didn’t need to. This was in Phoenix AZ and she did, indeed, have a rifle, and he prudently believed her.
This is how smart women treat scumbags. Okay, I wasn’t smart to start, but I sure got smart fast!
Your timing is perfect. Story breaking on Breitbart right now!
Since we know that Democrats advocate gun control because they believe that people don’t kill people but guns do, it is clear that when Weiner says he didn’t send the photo what he really means is that his phone did.
Glad you’re back and all. But “… It’s Darwin 101: men evolve to attract the opposite sex. ” is most definitely NOT DARWIN 101 or 202 ar Darwin anything. WOMEN evolve to attract opposite sex. Men evolve to BE ATTRACTED to the feminine, most particularly the female best designed to make super-duper babies. Research has even shown attractiveness in females is measured sub-consciously by males, in cultures disparate in every conceivable (no pun intended) way, by ratio of female hip to waist measurement.
However, by now natural selection is no longer a significant element in mating, or in any other element of modern life. I’m guessing it will become the most significant force once again immediately after humanity blows itself to smithereens and the algae, bacteria, etc. start again…
Now as for pubic (oops…I mean public) showing of tweets or weiners…
And that’s the sort of stuff that wins you over, ladies?
A real woman would have kicked his skinny little butt back into his shell. On the other hand, real women aren’t interested in turtle
manboy.You nailed it, sister! We’d have kicked this Weiner wiener to the curb — preferably as the street sweeping machine was approaching.
no, a real woman never would have dated the guy in the first place. Sure, there are women that love power so much they will marry the Elephant man for it and endure humilation on the national level. Then there are woman that could care less about the power, have self repect and are not self loathing and would have told this toad to blow it out his a$$ when he asked for a date.
Just like there are men out there that will do anything for a huge pair of breast..no matter how ugly the woman attached to is or how sleezy. Only a pinhead would judge all women based on a certain demographic.
If aliens came down and said “date Anthony weiner or we will wipe out the human race” more often than not the response you’d get would be “it was nice knowing you my fellow humans”
“no, a real woman never would have dated the guy in the first place.’
Umm, I think that is what I said: “On the other hand, real women aren’t interested in turtle
manboy.”Yes, but how many of these “real women” are there in the world? At least ones under 40?
Good question.
Oh those women exist terse man – they just happened to be married to fabulous men.
Mr. Klavan, I think you place to high a regard on the kind of women that are the recipient of “Weiner’s” fan mail by referring to them as “ladies”. The women on his list of favorite “tweet followers” are like him in kind so in the same way we wouldn’t want to refer to him as a “gentleman”. Let’s be honest, we can speak of “guys” and “chicks” when we are slumming it in the virtual gutter that way we can use descriptor’s like “dumb” and “hot” and “freaky” as in “Weiner sent a photo of his penis to one of the hot chicks that follow his tweet, proving to the world at large that he is still a dumb guy no matter how many people put their confidence in him by voting him to Congress.” But speaking of them as “ladies”, nope. Besides, gentlemen really should avoid trying to date women who put themselves in the position to be receiving this kind of fan mail.
Maybe you should check out his list of ladies before casting asparagus at them. They aren’t exactly the pros on the corner.
As a retire clinical psychologist I feel qualified to give my professional opinion an Mr. Weiner’s behavior:
Weiner was mearly having a adolescent regression. All sexually retarded men who reach high political positions have them. Can you image what it like to have a large over-active smuck and an underdeveloped brain. What happens is that most people with this syndrome favor the part of their body that works best. When he was young I am sure his equipment gave him ample opportunity to develop a strong persona…and so it is not surprising that he would revisit that period in his life.
His present life performance is a disaster: a perpetual facial smirk. an afinity for non-stop verbal hyperbole, a tendency toward to talk over people since he thinks his ideas on all matters are superior, so at the conclucion of diatribe he punctuates his remarks with big wide smile of satifaction.
Very clear depiction of this worm. But what evidence do you have of “a large over-active smuck”? Is the photo published?
Klavan: “turns up in their inbox” — Geeeeeeez!
Wow! Definitely the best analysis I’ve read so far on this pathetic story. (I am delighted that you are blogging at pajamas too.)
By the way, it has to be YOUNGER women who like this type of contact(?!). My generation would have run screaming if we found a photo of a penis in our mailbox or at our desk or posted on the bulletin board. He would have been called a pervert. And many of us would have been scared to death of him. Like we were of the guys who got on our school bus who’d been out hunting ‘coons all night and smelled of skunk.
Thanks for the morning laugh, Andrew.
I wouldn’t run screaming. I’d call the cops on the pervert.
When I was 18, some thuglet was pushed toward me by his buddies for what was evidently some sort of “manhood” test. He said, “Hey, baby! I got something for you!” He whipped it out, I gave it a glance, laughed, and said, “No, you don’t.” He slunk back to his friends in vile disgrace and was probably the butt of jokes for months to come.
Weiner is too much of a weenie to even deserve fear. He deserves only contempt.
“What do you call that? It looks like a penis, although smaller.”
LOL
Laughter is the best medicine for that kind.
Personal anecdote, may or may not be supported by any studies. Walking down a beach after a storm (I was 15 at the time). Kid – probably no older than 17 or so) walking behind me. Not too close but close enough that I was glancing back. And every time I glanced back, he dropped his drawers. After the 4th time he did it, I turned around, looked at it, and laughed (I still don’t know why – nerves, my perverse sense of humor – I don’t know – but he looked totally silly).
What did he do? Pulled up the pants, turned around…and ran away.
I don’t know – Hugh Hefner is a favorite among the granny generation of ladies, as has recently been revealed.
Even the so-called “Greatest Generation” isn’t clean: I watched this series called “Island @ War,” which is about the outbreak of nymphomania on a British Isle when the Nazis invaded and killed their husbands/fathers/brothers/etc.
Totally agree. Women allow themselves to be photographed nude for movies, cable TV shows and magazines. The culture has been in the gutter for a long time. If women respected themselves more, this wouldn’t be happening. People hide behind free speech to demean women in the culture. It needs to stop.
There are far too many women with no self-respect, who buy into the cultural idea that the greatest compliment you can pay to anybody is to say they’re “hot.” This is how we wind up with children beaten to death by their mother’s flavor of the moment.
First of all we need as a culture to stop taking our daughters to Planned Parenthood and giving the message that we expect them to be trollops. We need to put out the message that indulging in sexual passions with somebody who hasn’t proved himself is not something you do when you’re “mature enough,” but something you do when you’re immature and insecure.
Women are taught that they are nothing if nobody’s humping them. We need to stop pretending that there’s anything even remotely normal about behaving that way.
Christina,
If I wasnt already married to a woman that thinks the exact same way, I’d send you roses with my email address! Spot-on, dear.
Why is it so hard for people to realize that the beautiful liberals who supposedly “empower” women are their worst enemy? I hate to say it, but I’m glad I have sons and not daughters.
We live in a fairly hip (read: guilty liberal) suburb of Philly, in whats considered a “perfect familty oriented” neighborhood. The “Body Gap” store in the main street has larger than life sized, panti-clad female pelvises as adversisements in each of the main windows. No faces, just belly button to mid thigh, about 4 feet tall in each window. A pubic bone, larger than my head, at slightly above eye level. Its practically invouluntary cunnilingus to walk by.
I’m no prude, but my God, whats it like to be an 11 year old girl walking past that? Whats it like to be that girl, and be overweight…or nerdy…or dorky, or have some other “imperfection” that permanently rules them out of ever being considered “hot” by the boys? \
How can you walk past that (when their are men or boys around!) without feeling sick, knowing you are being judged, fantisized, or dismissed, based on your percieved correlation to the poster. There is a time and place for everything, and excuse me, but in-your-face larger than life vulva is a little extreme for a “family” neighborhood.
The only thing worse, is the stream of over-aged wannabe hipster moms walking through the front door with their 12-17 year old daughters in tow. Moms and daughters both with “hottie” or “pink” or “$$$” across the back of their sweat pants. What are they THINKING?
I know these people. Liberal hipsters, who give to the right causes, support or local “cult of superior personality” leftest school system, and dutifully oppose the “angy” and “devisive” conservatives…the Prius drivers with Obama stickers…the ones who “care” but have no standards.
Sad but true, I’m so glad I dont have daughters.
I can always punish my sons for any bad behavior they engage in.
I havent a clue how I would protect a daughters heart in todays world.
Your neighborhood store reminds me of the well known retailer (Abercrombie and Fitch I think it was?) that was selling bikini’s with padded tops to little girls. Kinda a sick message when you think about it. The message to girls is bad enough but the worse one is the one being sent to boys and even men.
@Christina:
“This is how we wind up with children beaten to death by their mother’s flavor of the moment.”
Wrong. Statistics are that most child abuse is committed by mothers, not men.
“Christina Dunigan
There are far too many women with no self-respect, who buy into the cultural idea that the greatest compliment you can pay to anybody is to say they’re “hot.” This is how we wind up with children beaten to death by their mother’s flavor of the moment.
First of all we need as a culture to stop taking our daughters to Planned Parenthood and giving the message that we expect them to be trollops. We need to put out the message that indulging in sexual passions with somebody who hasn’t proved himself is not something you do when you’re “mature enough,” but something you do when you’re immature and insecure.
Women are taught that they are nothing if nobody’s humping them. We need to stop pretending that there’s anything even remotely normal about behaving that way.”
– There are far too many men with no self-respect who buy into the cultural idea that they are required to respect or overlook boorish comments from unaccountable contemporary unibrow females.
Beaten to death is how some children end up while separated from their biological fathers by females not far removed from their own prolonged adolescence.
Have a little talk with girlfriends. They’re the ones taking their daughters to PP. You can’t prove to us that girlfriend is mature enough herself to raise a daughter on her own and keep daughter away from cultural permissiveness.
Females teach themselves that they’re lesser than if not being sexually engaged (with partners of either sex, dontchaknow).
OK, I half way agree. What in the h@%% is wrong with women? Have they looked at this guy, have they heard his bullying and his abusive language to women? These women must be so lonely, SO HARD UP that they would romanticize this weasel. Get a clue – women – you wonder why you end up in horrible relationships – well look who you fall for!
Geeeeez
That is what women are actully attracted to. What women *say* about what they want is irrelevant.
Pickup artists have known this for years, and are teaching this.
You are absolutely correct, but how many people here want to face up to that truth? White knights will continue to get screwed over and they deserve every last bit of it.
Absolutely “right”? What’s all the excitement? Isn’t this SOP. What the Democrats/Liberals/RINOS, the Party of the People, the Party of the non-prudish, of the Young – the jeuness doree, of the “revolutionaries of the 60s”, card carrying Feminists had in “mind” with their drum-beating “equality”?
Not enough to stop at equalty in Law which makes sense, but the bit between their teeth gallopped on to “CHANGE” the entire cultural framework. To institutioanalise nonsensical defintion and detail into law. To be applied of course only to those poor jerks outside the charmed circles of the people in charge of the Law.
A LONG list of Democrats/Socialists adored by women. Adoration displayed with equivalent, throwing their panties at them, of Weiner’s tweet. Lining up to become members of the harems to become international rich “stars”. You know who they are.
Schwarzenegger is odd-ball in the list,being Republican. But then he IS married to a Kennedy. No doubt Republicans play by these same “rules”, but more discreet otherwise “liberal” Press/TV all over the place moralising and shocked, shocked. For “what do we live for but to be sport of other people, and to be made sport of by them in our turn”?
The Governator is very socially liberal, which is the important part of being liberal to the lefty nutjobs.
A brutal expose of the Enemy Sex. On the other hand, Anthony W. is one of us in his biological attributes.
Samuel Johnson on the sex act: “The position is ridiculous, the pleasure is fleeting, and the expense is damnable.”
Dr. Johnson on life: There’s much to endured, little to be enjoyed.
These two observations should be taken in conjunction.
Well, OK. But what about all the men who DON’T photograph themselves in full frontal Democracy and tweet the photos to co-eds? Have they not evolved properly? Please don’t tell me they’re doomed to extinction — they make the world go round!
Good observation. It is not that they haven’t evolved, it is just that there are women out there that are not attracted to this behavior, but are in fact repulsed by it. Therefore, there are men that behave in a way to attract them–after all, these are the sort of women respectable men want anyway.
More men and women need to be taught when they are young what sort of character traits are desirable in the opposite sex. I don’t think conversations of this nature happen enough between parents and their children (speaking as a parent of 4) and as a result, raw nature too often takes over. Furthermore, we are taught by the media that relationships are all heart and no head, but if the head is not involved, this is the result.
Story of mankind. Comes out of the vagina and spends the rest of his life trying to get back into it. Women use sex to get what they want. All that men want is sex. And the winner is….
Winner.
No.
SOME men want nothing but sex. Other men genuinely want respectful and mutually beneficial relations. The former are the men that women want. The latter get manipulated, rejected, and used by women.
Self-justifying hogwash. Your mom was like this? Your sister?
Oh come on, man up and think with your big brain, not the little one!
Personally, when men behave badly (and frankly, sending a twitter pic isn’t a crime in my book) I see them as responsible for their own actions.
Yep: I blame men.
Man up, guys, and take responsibility. You can’t blame everything on Mommy!
Why should a man ever ‘man up’ when it is easier to ‘women down’?
Yes, your own term proves that women are inferior to men. You admitted it.
Women like to have sex with evil men, not good men. Pickup artists have proved this, so you would be better served by accepting this truth, and learning how you can adapt to please men more effectively.
I believe even my beloved Ann Coulter in her recent column on the Townhall site, not only Andrew Klavan, misunderstood the entire Weiner penis situation.
This is what I think:
Mr. Weiner (hey, Ann, why did you call him “nice”? What’s so nice in his crocodile-like lower jaw?) took a photo of his small penis exactly as I would take a photo of my damaged car to prove to the police and insurance that somebody had hit my poor beloved car.
And why did Mr. Croco…oops, sorry, Weiner take a photo? To prove what?
I’ll tell what.
He now realizes that it’s a shame for a Congressman in the obama* days to have such a small penis.
And he decided to file a complaint against the rabbi who, as we all can now see, botched the circumcision.
And of course, he needed a psychological support from a young girl who may have seen much bigger penises and therefore could definitely sympathize with Mr. Weiner’s personal tragedy.
That’s why Mr. Weiner didn’t ask for an official FBI-led investigation**.
He just asked that Sears girl if she saw somewhere that unprofessional rabbi…
P.S. * the “obama” stands for Organized Bastards And Marxist Agitators
** The FBI-led investigation won’t take place, FBI said. Why? Because Mr. Small Pen… sorry, Mr. Weiner might be then indicted for false claim regarding the alledged hacking.
Isn’t life amazing? Just look at how characters like this are routinely found in the United States Congress. “Beam me up…”
I really like Andrew, but find this whole essay very hurtful and offensive.
I mean, why in the world would hurl such a vicious insult against turtles like this is beyond me. I think that Testudines will be sagging and drooping all over the planet upon being kicked here.
It was bad enough that YFrog had to protest its innocence after the jump to judgment took place in the first days of this scandal.
And don’t think that the amphibian world isn’t acutely aware of the coded words barely disgusing the seething hatred, by those who have an antipathy for green skin. The raging amphibists use words like “attacked by my blender next”, to conjure up images of Dan Akroyd as Fred Garvin, making that sick “frog in a blender” joke.
Speaking on behalf of turtles everywhere, these kinds of hurtful comparisons to the lowest forms of life on the planet demand a swift and heartfelt apology.
LOL. Poor turtles. Actually I don’t have anything against turtles. I like turtles, but I don’t want to date one or a date a man who looks like one either.
It’s Satire, try to separate the sarcasm, it isn’t that hard. Great job, Andrew.
So was bleachers’ comment, genius.
I know how distasteful it must be to write about this story, but it’s the very definition of hard news.
Kudos for the creative use of the word “Democrat”.
I believe women are subconsciously attracted to men like their fathers . . . that would put the blame squarely back in your camp.
My favorite line : For purposes of this paragraph, the word “allegedly” means “obviously.”
Just because you believe something, doesn’t make it so. If you want to know the truth about modern women, read:
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just a minute, I sure am a woman, and I have no desire to see anything like Mr Weiner, anywhere. Is this an attempt to make a joke at the expense of wives daughters and mothers ?
OK perhaps there are some ” girls ” you know the group of women who call themselves ” girls ” that might like this creep, but please, women, women who work, who read, who think. Nope.
I feel sad for you if the only kind of women you know run around with half their asses hanging out and tweet idiots like Weiner.
“I have no desire to see anything like Mr Weiner, anywhere” said Lizzy.
Oh yeah?
Such a generalization!
If I am not mistaken, kids, I mean – kids in general, are a direct result of a women’s wish “to see [some]thing like Mr Weiner, [some]where.”
Dear Lizzy, sometimes a proper choice of words could protect from unexpected remarks, like this one.
But your intentions are well understood and, obviously, highly respected. By me, at least.
No,no, no! What we want is your money and power, but we know the easiest way to get that is to tell you your weiner is big or something like that. Guys are so easy.
And you are the reason why birthrates in the west are plummeting.
For Christina et al (“I am a woman and I am not like that”):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know there are a tiny percentage of you out there. It’s just not worth looking for you anymore. You reap what you sow.
Valerie,
You ought to read The Misandry Bubble, it will help you learn about how women think (where you really do need help).
And no, being a woman does not mean you understand how women think. Quite the opposite in fact, as pickup artists have proved.
** GUFFAW **
Klavan, you’re an American jewel and one of the funniest people on the planet.
“an American jewel” jap
Klavan’s humor is truly ingenious. There was so much wordplay here, I had some trouble keeping up.
Yet, his article makes a good point. I think of the Congressional intern who was pursued by him the day after 9/11. She was flattered that he, a Congressman, would give her attention during such a time. Flattered?!? WTH?!? That should have been a red flag! He should not have had time for such pursuits. He was a Congressman, and 9/11 had just happened. That he could focus on chasing tail showed how little he cared, how little empathy he had, and how little devotion to duty he had.
This stupid girl was the focus of the attention of a “mighty Congressman”. Inside, she was thinking, “Ooo, I could land a Congressman! Power, money, status, the good life!” The rest is all justification, rationalization. Her skeeze-defense switch was off. Her ambition switch was on.
This is the real problem. They are thinking of what they could get, not what they would lose. Women should run screaming from juvenile guys like this. They do not for two reasons. The first is ambition. The second is their low regard for men. If all men are scum, like so many feminists believe, then you might as well get yourself a successful scum.
Money. Power. Status. The good life. With scum.
Ladies, you are thinking of breeding with this guy. He would be the father of your children, their role-model. Have you lost your minds?
To further clarify, he has a new, pretty, young wife, yet he spends his time looking through all the folks who follow their Congressman. He looks for the pics of pretty young women, and… ugh.
I’ve seen Mr. Weiner on several shows and have always said to myself – “Wow – This guy must have spent every day of high school just welded into his locker.” He looks like the smarmy little SOB who would rat you out to the Dean of Students for lighting up a Camel in the boy’s john. (Disclaimer – You shouldn’t smoke in school and it’s bad for you. However there is such a thing as the Guy’s Code.)
I can’t believe that this guy, of all people would be a a “lean, mean dating machine” with a “bevy of babes surrounding him.” According to Mark Steyn Mr. Weiner has 19 employees on his office staff and maybe some of these represent the “bevy” that surrounds him. I would certainly want to be paid if I had to be seen in public with Mr. Weiner.
Ann Coulter still has the best line on this. After Weiner said he was hiring a lawyer to look into his “hacked” Twitter account Ms. Coulter said – “They should settle this in small claims court.” Glad to see Mr. Klavan is back.
Klavan’s piece is funny and spot-on; still, it’s only half of the story. If men truly wanted a “good girl” and were mostly interested in personality and accomplishments, Rule 5 would be rule 7,453 and ordinary-looking successful businesswomen and great, well-rumpled moms would be draped over the arms of society’s leading men. Instead, the big money and personal attention go to hot looking babes regardless of their character.
It seems obvious that men and women bear equal responsibility for the degrading of American culture.
Yes, for every Congressman Weiner there’s a Paris Hilton; but there’s also a Meade for every Althouse. Men and women both need to stop blaming the other gender and clean up the act of the person in the mirror first. After perfecting ourselves comes the time to micromanage others’ behavior!
No.
There are literally millions of good, decent, respectful men who would LOVE to find a compatible lady for a (more or less) traditional relationship. They can’t find any, because most women are chasing dominant men way above their market value. Many women spend their most attractive years chasing top-shelf males, and only consider the “good men” when they’re tired of one-night stands. Which means the “good men” gets a used-up, bitter woman as his prize for being good.
The “good men” are wising up and learning the truth about female sexual desire. Furthermore, men age like a fine wine, and women age like storebought milk. The sexual arms race is on. Women are out in front right now, but men are coming up quick. And women aren’t going to like it when we come out on top again.
Your hostile comment makes it clear that you are not included in that category of truly ‘good men’ who respect and love women. This would actually explain why loving, decent women are avoiding you.
But go ahead and be angry and hostile. It signals gals who want a good man to run, not walk, away. But please don’t generalize from the dregs you sucker in.
Typical dumbed-down shaming language from a woman (Beth) who knows that ManThoughts is right.
Women write love letters to serial killers and have sex with criminals. That is the point Andrew Klavan correctly makes. You really have no idea how women think.
‘Respect’ women? For what? Respect is earned, not automatic.
Are you really that dumb?
It is amazing how women themselves have no clue how women think.
*yawn* spineless misogyny. And nothing sends a guy directly into “DO NOT DATE” land faster than pulling PUA tricks. We see through them, misogynistic dudes, and then laugh at you behind you back. But def keep trying the PUA tactics, it’s comedy freaking gold.
Nope – totally wrong. PUA tactics work extremely well. That is why they are successful.
You are just jealous that even ordinary guys can get women more attractive than you. Your knee-jerk projection of your man-hate by using the word ‘misogyny’ is proof of that.
You are either uninformed or in massive denial. “Game” is changing the game, so to speak, in the dating world. That’s not to say there aren’t some bad teachers of it. But it works.
Andrew,
You are a HIT in the man-o-sphere already!
“But what these same women conveniently fail to mention is that this stuff really works on them!”
Yes. Just look how the ‘good guy’ like me. A father and husband with one woman 23 years and married 18 years gets ‘you know whatted over in divorce court. The proceeds of 25 years oflabour being MINUS USD60,000 after lawyers fees and a split of 95% vs 5%. Feel free to publish my story to as many men as you can.
http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/39/threadid/45/scope/posts/Default.aspx
Now? I am one of those ‘bad men’ women LOVE to have. I graduated from beta-loser to alpha. I ‘ve dated about 20 women in the 3.5 years since I divorced and had two mid term relationships and just settled into my third mid term relationship meaning over 6 months.
I refuse to be monogamous. I refuse to get married. I refuse to have more children. But with my track record? Women think they can change my mind anyway. How about that.
I am what women want now. What I was? Women HATED so much the applaud the series of crimes my ex committed against me.
I tell young men. Don’t marry. Don’t have kids. “5% is the new 50% if you are a man”. Whatever you do? Do NOT follow in my footsteps of ‘father and husband’. That is the stupidest thing a man could do now.
The lads are listening.
And young men are listening. They’ve watched good, hard-working men like you get ripped to shreds by ungrateful women in our depraved society. We’re not going to get married, and if we do consort with women, it is on our terms. If she doesn’t like it, she can take a hike.
In times long past, society could depend on older women to serve as good role models for younger women. But for several generations now, older women have taught younger women to behave like conniving strumpets. And our corrupt governments have enabled and violently enforced their evil.
Women have permanently poisoned the traditional male-female dynamic that was the basis of Western society. And when it collapses, women will be the ones to suffer. C’est la vie, ladies. Just don’t say we didn’t warn you.
The female brain simply does not have much ability to judge cause and effect. That is why women don’t realize how much feminism is going to cost them.
The law of unintended consequences rears it ugly head. Women thought they could change just the parts of the male-female relationship that they wanted to, and that everything else would stay the same. It will not work out that way, to the misery of many people, guys and ladies alike.
Welcome home, Andrew. Nice beginning.
Well.. Well..
Rep. Whiner has confessed and admitted that he lied.
Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs,
and other blogs that protected his wiener now look pretty stupid.
Enjoy..
One word — hypergamy
I don’t understand why we’re blaming anyone other than Anthony Weiner for Anthony Weiner’s behavior. Personal responsibility, embrace it.
Now that’s a hoot! A female speaking of embrasing personal responsibilities!
TMOTS
Yeah some women respect themselves enough but they are a minority.
The “bad boy” just turns them on, until they get serious and then bad-boy needs to change.
I worked at a Golf Resort for years and every type of woman, married or not, fell for the same crap from the same guys all the time. In fact the women would spot the players and went after them.
Then they wondered why their “john” did call them.
Your Spot on Klavan
Of course Klavan blames all women for the actions of a few. Complexity is beyond his comprehension, and all women are one.
I feel like I should sue to get back the precious seconds I spent reading this tripe. Oh, and since there is no reason not to believe Weiner’s claim that he didn’t send the photo, Klavan clearly doesn’t believe Weiner.
Anyone else remember the episode of Cheers in which the phrase “Get your head out of your Klavan” was first spoken?
Trying to be so clever and yet you are so dumb. The phenomenom Klaven describes is what he sees in in life, not his belief. He’s right and the bad boy attraction is older than us. Reread ‘Catch-22″ and when one officier asks why so-and-so can get any women, he is told, “Because he treats them all like shit.” This is a old issue and your too dumb to recognize it.
I feel so bad for you, pathetic Legion fellow. So what you are saying is that you pretend to be a Nice Guy(tm) in order to get laid, women see through you, and you fail to get laid. Curiously, I was always a nice guy, without the phoney bs, and got laid as much as I could handle (and in my twenties, I could handle plenty). No, what Head Up His Klavan describes is a phenomenon in which a bunch of sad, pathetic types like yourself cry because you can’t see women as anything but objects, the women realize it, and you don’t get laid. Women are far more diverse and complex than you or Klavan give them credit for being and, SURPRISE!, they don’t exist solely for the purpose of saving you from overworking your hand.
Dude, you and Head Up His Klavan should just use some lotion and leave the women alone entirely. They’ll be happier about it and you’ll be less frustrated by your perpetual failure and the strain of pretending to be “nice”.
Reading this from that “chauvinist porker,” Klavan and many (if not all) of the comments is the most fun I’ve had in awhile. How sad is that?
Please explain how it is fun.
Bravo Mr. Klavan. You are speaking the cold, hard truth. Women crave dominant, arrogant, and powerful men. All that “I want a nice guy” propaganda they speak is simply stuff and nonsense.
Nice guys are rejected, mistreated, and taken advantage of by women their whole lives. Arrogant, uhhh, weiners have women lining up around the block to have the glory of getting used.
Luckily, men are waking up to this. Chivalry is dead. The nice guy is on the ropes. More men are becoming the arrogant assholes that women love so much.
Women: When you whine “What happened to ALL the NICE guys?” look in the mirror! YOU happened.
This is the biggest pack of bull I’ve read in ages! “Because it works on women…” Really, where is your proof of this? Where is your proof that each and every woman out there secretly wants to have a picture of a penis sent to her via Twitter? As a female, I have NO DESIRE for some lewd piece of s*** to be sending me a picture of his penis. IN FACT,
You’re missing the point. Klavan isn’t saying all women want to be sent lewd photos. He is pointing out that many women are attracted to dominant and cocky jerks. And he is saying that more and more men will behave this way, since women are rewarding the behavior with sex.
Really, where is your proof of this?
From actual results in real life? BTW, aren’t you one of those women who writes love letters to serial killers?
Sonya, you simply don’t understand how women think. And no, being a woman does not mean you know how women think – quite the opposite in fact.
Wow. Mr. Klaven et some al. You sound really jealous. If that is actually the kind of women you want, and desire–the ones who would respond on websites to anon men and their dirty comments–please chase thenm and all of you run over the horizon so none of us dates or, God forbid, marries you by nmistake.
How sad that Weiner’s apparent “success” prowling on the web for other users sounds like a kind of triumph or accomplishment to so many people commenting here. And it’s our loss as women too, in a way, or Sonya and I and others wouldn’t bother to keep trying to show you the truth.
You want to get attractive women who haven’t already been had by every man out there? Watch John Mayer’s upload of Your Body is a Wonderland, for starters. As one commenter there notes: THIS is how you get laid, boys.
But instead of learning these simple truths, you akll hate on Mayer. When the point is that he’s got it figured out, and IT IS SO EASY!!!! (and by the way, no women strikes a man as sexual napalm unless he made her feel that way. So easy to do, yet some of you never learn…..sign.)
What if we’re in that subset of guys who find both John Mayer AND the self-described “pickup artists” to be risible douchebags?
I guess we hold out for women who feel the same way.
In other words, you don’t get laid.
Wylee Coyote is part of the ‘third gender’ that has formed in the West. The role of this gender is as follows.
Pickup Artists know how to seduce women.
Women want to have sex with pickup artists.
Wylee Coyote gets to pay the bills, and get even a ‘Thank you’ from the woman!
Everybody wins! Wylee Coyote has the crucial role of financing the necessary coupling of the woman and the pickup artist. Hence, his role is necessary.
Eh, I do all right.
Look, I have no doubt that “pickup artist” techniques work for some guys with some women. I have no doubt that John Mayer’s game works for him. Point is, you can score with tons of women and STILL be a risible douchebag. Your scorecard is not the measure of you as a man, and anyone who tells you otherwise is selling you books or body spray or something.
Though one thing I have observed, is that guys who brag about how much action they get, tend to be stretching the truth. Make of that what you will.
Point is, you can score with tons of women and STILL be a risible douchebag.
So? Most men would rather have Tucker Max’s life than their own.
Plus, many PUAs genuinely want to help other men in a game that is overwhelmingly rigged against them.
If even Dr. Helen is buying PUA books for younger men, then you need to get with the program.
is that guys who brag about how much action they get, tend to be stretching the truth.
As you did in the very first sentence of your comment. Your ‘I do alright’ means ‘I got laid 3 years ago with a fat chick’.
What the hell? In order to carry on this lively back-and-forth, I have to reply to my own comment! What is PJM coming to?
Most men would rather have Tucker Max’s life than their own.
Interesting choice of role models there, Jimmy. Yes! If you work very hard and apply yourself, you too can have a string of underperforming media properties!
Thing is, Tucker Max would probably agree with me that he is a risible douchebag, he describes HIMSELF in less flattering terms than that. He certainly wouldn’t take offense at it the way you seem to have. Even if Max’s stories tell the unvarnished truth about his life (which I doubt), he doesn’t take himself very seriously. You certainly wouldn’t find him commenting huffily on a website about righting rigged games while dropping industry jargon like “PUA”.
Also, if you think “Eh, I do all right” qualifies as bragging, you’re going to need a new term next time you’re chatting with the pickup types.
Boys boys boys. Mystery, (aka the “pickup artist” who looks like a serbian war criminal in drag)–he may be a scam or whatever. But the fact that some men hope to learn from him is an encouraging sign for women, in general, since we want men to try to please us, to focus on us, to want us. If you all spent less time writing “douchebag” re John Mayer, whom none of us knows at all, and paid attention to the secret of his appeal, you’d get so much further. Read the lyrics of those songs: John Mayer likes women, he loves them just for being female. He may be immature, but his appreciation is that of an adult male who thanks God women are on the earth. That’s how most women feel about men, by the way. That they are the most glorious things ever made. In principle, anyway.
Interesting that you would invoke John Mayer. Someone who by all accounts is a grade-A asshole, yet has no lack of famous young women throwing themselves at him.
Well of course they do. Birds of a feather and all. But it’s not because he’s a jerk (I wouldn’t know if he is one, but I’ll take your word for it.) It’s because he’s famous. The famous flock to each other because they think it makes them more famous and if it results in being infamous, no matter as long a they get on the cover of some celebrity rag. No matter that they had to let themselves be treated like dirt either.
And we can see how well that works out for them romantically. How many fifty year wedding anniversaries do we hear about in Hollywood or among the rest of the rich and famous?
“Of course Klavan blames all women for the actions of a few. Complexity is beyond his comprehension, and all women are one.” – DBK.
Absolute rubbish!!!!
Because women say one thing and do another does NOT make them complex, just hypocrites.
Think about this. How many male jailed killers/gangsters/monsters get romantic mail and even proposals of marriage from women?
Now, how many convicted FEMALE killers get unsolicited proposals of marriage?
That’s the difference between men and women!
What is rubbish is the notion that, because some women do some things, you ascribe that behavior to “women”.
To continue your own remarks, since there are male serial killers, then all men are serial killers.
You need to get your head out of your Klavan.
So, this is article is talking about ALL mothers, all wives, all daughters, all grandmothers and aunts, etc? Mother Theresa. Florence Nightingale. Joan of Arc. Queen Elizabeth I.
We are ALL the same, since those ladybits make us b&%@hes? And responsible for mens’ behavior? Please.
Last time I checked, I and all my female relatives were fully human, and varied greatly. We had souls, brains, individuality, and self-respect.
So don’t lecture me and mine about what ‘we’ are responsible for.
If you’ve got a d&%k, take responsibility for yourself and your own actions. Unless you want us all we Ladyhumans to wear burqas and stay indoors where we belong so you don’t have to deal with us. /snark
Grow up.
Are you the same Beth Donovan who gloats about how she abuses her husband and makes him grovel? The same Beth Donovan who goes by the name of ‘She who will be obeyed.’? The same Beth Donovan who got pwned by Dr. Helen for your anti-male bigotry?
Typical that you give women a bad name. It is all ‘Gimme, Gimme, Gimme’ to you, isn’t it?
A woman telling men to ‘Grow up’ is like Pauly Shore telling Shaquille O’Neal to ‘Become tall’. Men are far more responsible than women, period. As a woman, I think it is my duty to say this.
You’re not getting it. Women are rewarding cocky male behavior with sex. Cocky men are responsible for their actions, as are women who crave that kind of man.
It is women who are not taking responsibility to be honest about female primal sexual desires. Which is the point of the essay.
There would be no market for cocky men if women weren’t buying.
What you don’t get, “Man”Thoughts, is that the entire article is Head Up His Klavan whining that he can’t get laid. “Those bitches want those other guys for reasons X, Y, and Z, but they won’t suck my poor, pathetic, shriveled joint. Whaaaah! Womens is bad! They won’t let me have their vaginas! I want it! I want it! Whaaaah!” And the supportive comments? Whiners crying because they didn’t get the sex they wanted. I’m more sympathetic to five year olds who get yanked away from the candy display on the checkout line than I am to “grown” men whining about women not fucking them.
Two Words: Charlie Sheen
Wow. And yet another female telling men about taking responsibilities for their actions… Must be a full moon this evening.
TMOTS
Hey ladies, instead of using shaming language on men, why not use it on women. Maybe they would listen to you. They do seem to need it.
“Women — by which I mean each and every single member of the female *sex* …”
gen·der (jµn”d…r) n. Grammar. a. A grammatical category used in the analysis of nouns, pronouns, adjectives, and, in some languages, verbs that may be arbitrary or based on characteristics such as sex or animacy and that determines agreement with or selection of modifiers, referents, or grammatical forms.
For instance, in Latin “praise,” (lauda) is feminine, “war” (bellum) is neuter and “people” (populus) is masculine. English vocabulary has few such gender qualities, except the obvious.
EXAMPLE: We chose to learn the sex of our baby before birth, so we could decorate the nursery appropriately.
“So, this is article is talking about ALL mothers, all wives, all daughters, all grandmothers and aunts, etc? Mother Theresa. Florence Nightingale. Joan of Arc. Queen Elizabeth I.”
If you are going to post strawmen, go someplace else.
Yep, women love the agressive bad boys and the nerdy nice guys are invisible.
Tucker Max is evidence that “assholes finish first”
Of course NAWALT, even if they are not attractive to them, some women a man to be a subservient provider.
The women with high standards are gold diggers.
The title of this opinion article pretty much says it all. Way to endorse the culture that blames individual women for their harassment and abuse at the hands of entitled men.
In particular, this part disturbs me: “Arnold Schwarzenegger didn’t seem to have any trouble getting dates either. Neither did alleged serial rapist Dominique Strauss-Kahn of the IMF. Chicks dig these creeps!”
Because women are willing to go out with men, whose reputation they may or may not know (because other women who may have been abused by them in the past are too afraid of the backlash they’d face if they went public about it), they get what they deserve? Excuse me? Really? I didn’t think we’d gotten past the “HER SKIRT WAS SHORT! HOW WAS I TO RESIST!” thing as a socially acceptable excuse, but it’s still disheartening to hear it.
The society of objectification is far more to blame in this than women. I refuse to take the blame for the choices of other individuals. And I accept that while I might not do something, it is the right of others to make their own choices about who they date, how they dress, what they decide to do with their lives. Why don’t you focus on the media/industry complex that perpetuates the idea that to be beautiful you need to buy things? The idea that women are to blame for being objectified is just so far from the truth…
And, I do acknowledge that you weren’t focusing on rape/sexual abuse victims, but the line about DSK taken together with the entire piece shows that you think blaming women for the actions of men is okay. Which it’s not. At all. In no way whatsoever.
Pure, total projection. The only gender that acts ‘entitled’ is women.
I am glad to see so many men FINALLY fighting back against our female-centric, anti-male society.
Read The Spearhead to learn more about how feminism has created ultra-entitled yentas like mre545 :
http://www.the-spearhead.com
As for entitlement, guys are expected to make their own way in the world; the ladies, not so much.
If demanding that I be treated fairly and don’t have to take the blame for how men treat me is entitled, then hell yes. I am entitled. I deserve respect. And I’ll take it — and some people stuck in the past will probably call me names. Big deal.
Scanned some of the Spearhead stuff. Cool site. Looking at their “about” section: Interesting idea that men are under-represented in the media… They aren’t. Numbers wise, they continue to dominate disproportionately in all areas of the media, most especially executive level positions.
I would venture that you have a much more rigid idea about masculinity/femininity and gender roles than I do. I see it more as a social construct rather than a pre-defined set of inherent attributes that males and females have.
Even so, blaming women for the actions of men is silly. I don’t blame men for the fact that some women think they need to get plastic surgery to be attractive. I’d rather focus on the cultural influences that condition them to believe this.
Please explain more of what you mean by fairly.
Fair: free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice
Yes, I know life isn’t fair. Still, what’s life without some ideals? In terms of relationships: I don’t want to be lied to or coddled. Translation: I want to be treated as a human being and an equal. I refuse to be abused. In terms of the professional world: I want a level playing field. I want to be judged on my abilities rather than my appearance…
Ah, well. Can’t have everything. I’ll get over it eventually, I’m sure. The idealism of youth an’ all that.
Fairness? LOL!
Women already receive all sorts of special treatment in the legal system, academia, hiring process, in the media, etc.
True fairness would be a huge reduction in privileges relative to what you presently enjoy.
Thanks for proving that a society that lets women vote goes downhill after 3-4 generations. LOL!!
I would venture that you have a much more rigid idea about masculinity/femininity and gender roles than I do. I see it more as a social construct
That explains a lot. So by that logic, 50% of prison inmates should be women, no?
‘Gender is a social construct’. LOL!!
Do you have children? If so, I’m amazed by your comments….
#39. ManThoughts, nails it. Ladies pay attention, here is the real story. It is best not to pretend it is not true.
“Nice guys are rejected, mistreated, and taken advantage of by women their whole lives. Arrogant, uhhh, weiners have women lining up around the block to have the glory of getting used.
Luckily, men are waking up to this. Chivalry is dead. The nice guy is on the ropes. More men are becoming the arrogant assholes that women love so much.
Women: When you whine “What happened to ALL the NICE guys?” look in the mirror! YOU happened.”
Naah. Most of them will plug their ears, shut their eyes, and deny deny deny. But not before they’ve downed some more psychiatric medication.
The question is, does one want to be a spinster, or not?
Looks like the author hit a nerve. You gals really need to get your act together.
Interesting. So by most men’s reckoning here, because women want crass men, then you guys who were once decent men are willing to turn yourselves into knuckle draggers just so you can get a woman regardless of whether she is worth having. At least one of you recognizes that there are a few real women out there but they aren’t worth looking for. Nice. So now you’ve been so abused that you won’t won’t even give a real woman, a decent woman, a chance. I got news for you, if you’re the kind of man who will compromise his principals or won’t give a woman a chance then decent women don’t want you anyway so I guess you do ‘reap what you sow’ as one commenter put it.
Obviously
womengirls have a great deal of power over you guys if they can so easily turn you into boys, crass jack wagons or PUA’s who let the little head do all the thinking for the big head. Doesn’t exactly bring to mind the image of strong, smart, real man does it?And the same goes for women. I mean girls. They are just as capable of lowering themselves, disrespecting themselves and reaping what they sow.
Man-up. Woman-up. Popular phases lately but I don’t think very many people intend for anyone to do so. A few put themselves out there as being real women who have ‘woman-ed up’ but they got put down for it. Makes one suspect that some men are afraid of a real woman and maybe just don’t have it in them to ‘man up’ themselves.
Good and decent men are spending years of their lives searching for good, decent, and compatible women. They aren’t finding any. They’re told “In this canvas sack is one diamond” and then when they stick their hand in, they discover it’s actually full of 10 scorpions and one diamond.
As a result, some men are becoming PUAs. Some men are going MGTOW, which means they’re not consorting with women at all (or as little as possible.) Some men are expatriating, or finding a woman overseas to marry.
Men “man up” by adapting to the challenges they’re presented with. They may not always “man up” in the way that you would prefer.
Not sure what you think I mean by man up but your probably wrong. I also think a lot of men are wrong about the idea that women only want bad boys. I know plenty of men who complain that their girlfriend broke up with them or a girl wouldn’t go out with them because they were ‘too nice’. Which in their minds meant they had to be the complete opposite of ‘nice’ when they looked around and saw horses behinds like Wiener and Sheen and others of their ilk with ‘bevies of babes’ following them around.
That you are too nice and need to be a cad may not be what they meant. For me, this is the message: Yes, please, I do want you to hold the door for me and do gentlemanly things and be considerate, but please, STOP agreeing with every damned thing I say or think. It’s nice to agree when you really mean it, but do you have an opinion of your own or anything new to say on anything? If you do, say so even if it is in opposition to mine. I ain’t scared of a good debate and if your too scared to oppose me, well then we got problems. Well, you do because if you can’t stand up to me, I’m gone. I’m not suggesting that I like to fight and argue all the time, but I do not think I am the last word on whatever the subject is and I actually like to be challenged. I’m not afraid to be wrong. If I need to be taken down a notch or two, are you the man who can do it and still have me by your side? And if you can’t even express your own opinions to me, can you express the appropriate opinion to the jerk that was rude to me or do I have to do it myself? I can and have but it’s nice to know your man has your back.
Remember no one likes a ‘yes man’ or in this case, a ‘Yes, dear. Whatever you say dear’. Don’t leave all the decisions about where to go or what to do up me. I went to a movie with a guy who afterwards said something to the effect that ‘ok, got the chick flick out of the way’. I was never so mad in my life. I think of myself as being a little more considerate of my date than to make him sit through something he really was not enjoying. He thought he was being nice but what it felt like was patronizing and false by trying to pretend he liked such movies by so ‘gallantly’ suggesting we go see it. It wasn’t my idea but he seemed to want to go see it. Silly me, but I was younger then. Truth was, I didn’t care if I saw that movie or not. I didn’t hate it, but if I had been a little wiser, I would have suggested going to see something that both of us would have enjoyed.
I don’t want to be the follower all the time, but I don’t want to be the leader all the time either. If a man refuses to make decisions, take the lead at least part of the time, I just don’t feel right with him. It makes me feel overbearing which I am not and don’t want to be. I keep wondering if he is actually resenting my taking the lead all the time and is he miserable doing what he thinks I want to do and never getting to do what he wants to do? I also have to wonder if he’s capable of making a decision on anything important if he can’t or won’t even make a decision about where to go to eat.
Maybe you guys need to rethink what it really means when a woman says that your too nice. And maybe you need stop comparing us to those ‘bevy of beauties’ types or those shrews on ‘real housewives’ who have little more than botox and collagen between their ears. I don’t see very many great relationships going on between those bad boys and those ‘beauties’ and shrews.
Congratulations. You now understand what PUA is about
I don’t want to be the follower all the time, but I don’t want to be the leader all the time either.
You can’t be a leader some of the time in any real relationship. One party is dominant and the other is submissive even if it is subtly so. They don’t put two captains on a ship for a reason. The XO is often probably qualified to be captain, but he’s still in the chain of command.
If you want him to lead some of the time, then he’s got to be the full-time leader, period. If you are telling him when you want him to be the leader and when you want him to be the follower, then you are in reality the full-time leader as you are in command of the dynamic. You simply choose to order the exhausting work of planning, strategizing and executing to your subordinate some of the time and call him the leader.
You have to make a choice. You don’t like being in charge. Most women don’t. However, like most people you want your way when you want it, so you can’t be subordinate to a man (or anyone really) so you have to throw up the pretext of equality in sharing, so that you can get your take charge, leader of men boyfriend, but then kick that whole arrangement to the curb to suit your fleeting desires that don’t mesh with that.
This is a recipe for disaster, since in your hindbrain you know it’s only an illusion that he’s the leader. You are really the leader delegating your authority to your subordinate. Thing is, he’s got no real world power over you. Quite the opposite. You have to choose to submit, full-time. Any lack of submission has to be like a game, where you both know he’s making the choice to let you do what you want.
Some women can do this, but few it seems. Most women seem to want to constantly escalate to test for the required dominance, which ends disastrously.
I think Klavan’s post was a lot more tongue-in-cheek than many of his detractors and defenders are giving credit for. He makes it pretty clear in the opening that the post is not meant to be read entirely seriously; I read the line ‘…and by that I mean each and every single member of the female gender’ as irony.
It’s interesting to note the response from many male readers though. There’s a lot of bitterness out there. It’s hard to resist the impression that the mark of a successful, acceptable, worthwhile man is that he will be attractive to women. It’s even harder to work out exactly what it is that separates attractive men from unattractive; obviously very rich, powerful, famous men tend to attract lots of women, but in the middle mass of normal men the qualities that define one as attractive and another as unattractive are much harder to discern, or at least, they are for me.
Also there can be a sense for us romantically inclined beta males to feel like we’ve been sold a lemon. We were told that what women wanted was to be loved, respected, and appreciated, but while we find that women certainly love to be loved, respect being respected, and appreciate being appreciated, those qualities rarely seem to spark that sense of attraction that makes a woman receptive to a romantic relationship with a man. Moreover we notice that sexually successful men who seem to effortlessly attract women often aren’t loving, respectful, or appreciative. (This isn’t an argument against love, respect, or appreciation; they may not attract a woman in the first place but they’re vital to the nourishing of relationships in the long term.)
It’s very easy, once beta male realizes this, for him to respond in anger and declare that women obviously love to be abused and that therefore my own unattractiveness is a sign of my moral superiority over those thugs who are attractive only by virtue of their thuggery. Of course, this is nonsense. But accepting inferiority in any aspect of life is painful and difficult, and in a culture that often suggests that a person’s whole value is bound up in their attractiveness, the recognition of one’s own ugliness is a very better pill to swallow.
@ Right Wing Woman: No I’m not Beth Donovan, and don’t know who she is. I’m actually a married mom of two great young women. My husband is a strong, independent person, like me. He would certainly never put up with any lack of respect, and neither would I. We are equals, with shared values, goals, and home. He’s a really nice guy, and I actually like him for that quality, going on about a quarter of a century.
The send up of mysogynistic, unhappy gender relations here is kinda sad, actually. Actually love, caring, tenderness and respect between the sexes does exist. I give what I wish to get, and guess what? I get it.
So no, I’m not Beth Donovan, whoever she is, or anyone like her, from her description.
Ah yes. Point to all the “misogyny” while conveniently missing the misandry so easily spotted…
NAWALT Indeed.
TMOTS
Funny how Beth can’t even spell the word ‘misogynist’.
Women can’t learn to spell a word that is a crucial component of their mooching. Amazing. Look how lazy and dumb modern women have become.
@Manthoughts: I certainly never rewarded cocky male behavior. I find such guys arrogant and ignorant, and married a genuinely goodhearted and kind person, who is also smart, strong and independent. Oh, and a computer nerd!
So I don’t wanna hear all this “women this and that”, when I see plenty of women all around me, including me, who dated, married, and have had kids with very good, decent men.
My take is that all these guys saying how great they are, how good and decent, are judging themselves. We aren’t hearing from the (former) gals in their lives, or we might get an earful. Or maybe they would keep a tactful silence, and let the gasbag blowhards bury themselves with their own horn-tooting. IMHO, anyone who has to tell you how wonderful they are, isn’t. Look at the behavior to know if someone is a ‘good’ person, who respects others. I don’t see much respect for women here. So most self-respecting women aren’t contributing here.
Me, I’m just wasting time. I’m off to do some knitting with my daughter. It will be time better spent.
Have a nice life, all.
“anyone who has to tell you how wonderful they are, isn’t” says the person calling herself strong, independent, decent, and good.
“My take is that all these guys saying how great they are, how good and decent, are judging themselves. We aren’t hearing from the (former) gals in their lives, or we might get an earful.”
So Beth (not Donovan); we have to await the word of the girls- as if their word is the final droplet of truth?
Your female supremacist slip is showing.
If one who seems to consider herself so solidly grounded is willing to place her faith in the word of one gender over the other, it’s no wonder we’re in such a pile of doo-doo.
I wouldn’t put much stock in unknown members of the female sex, from which have come groups devoted to the bolstering and defense of false accusation of sexual crimes and domestic violence.
Lying about a man’s stinky slippers or toilet seat habits is nothing. So much for that.
I am generally a fan of pajamas, but I am surprised that they allow such unintelligent non-sense as this to (dis-)grace their pages. Perhaps Klavan is being ironic, but the long list of men who second his thoughts and sentiments in the above comments suggests it is probably otherwise. There are two huge logical errors in his argument. First, not all women are responsible for what some women do. There are certainly many women who do fall for creeps like Weiner, but not all of us. For those of you in the comments who suggest that acting like this is the best way to attract women, have you ever wondered whether this behavior attracts the right kind of women – namely, relatively virtuous ones? If you admit to just wanting sex, not good character, then you have already refuted Klavan’s argument, since your single-minded desire for sex pre-existed the desperate behavior of the women you are chasing. The second major error in Klavan’s argument is that whether or not Weiner-ian behavior succeeds in attracting women, he is still responsible for his own actions. If he were to commit some violent atrocity because a particular women told him she would like him for it, the burden of responsibility for the act remains with him for choosing to do so. On this account, Klavan has a very low view of both men and women; women have no self-respect, and men no free will.
MAS,
I agree with you overall; the ‘all women love abusive alpha men’ is just as bitter and nonsensical as ‘all men are bastards.’ But just as ‘all men are bastards’ is often a reflection of genuinely bad experiences, so to ‘all women love abusive alpha men.’ It’s not about men just wanting sex, it’s about men wanting to _be_attractive_. It’s about wanting to be exciting, intriguing, desirable to women. And the men that women most often seem to conspicuously notice (celebrities aside) tend to have that unsuppressed confidence and aggression that is easy to associate with selfish, bullying behaviour.
I hope Klavan writes a follow up to this; I don’t think he expected so many bitter men to enthusiastically embrace his ironic comment and to take it literally; what follows is a lot of frustrated misogyny and Pyjamas shouldn’t let that slide. But understand that the bitterness arises from a genuine sense of confusion and frustration. What’s wrong with me? Why doesn’t this work like its supposed to? What’s so good about _him_ anyway?
Much easier just to blame women and be done with it.
“It’s not about men just wanting sex, it’s about men wanting to _be_attractive_. It’s about wanting to be exciting, intriguing, desirable to women.”
Utter nonsense!!!
If you think most men actually talk to women because they are so interesting, insightful and amusing then you truly are deluded.
It’s all about sex.
They merely endure the inane prattle of women with a smile on their face and their hands on their wallet in the hope of seeing them naked. Period.
“I hope Klavan writes a follow up to this; I don’t think he expected so many bitter men to enthusiastically embrace his ironic comment and to take it literally”
We men are not bitter, we are aware of the truth and no longer feel the need to cow-tow to the sensibilities of women by pretending they are anything more than entitled children with delusions of equality.
Speak only the truth – Most women want sex with bad men.
Most women resent and abuse wimps.
Beth is a typically predictably annoying woman*
*If you want proof watch – She will ALWAYS want the last word and although she says she’s finished with this thread she will feel COMPELLED to respond…
Dude, you need help. That is pathological. See a doctor before you hurt someone.
@BenK
Thank you for your ad hominem attack on me, actually it was quite expected from someone whom, judging by your previous posts, has long since been emasculated. You may wish to kiss the painted toes of the foot aimed squarely at mouth but we aren’t all quite so pathetic as you.
If speaking the truth directly makes me ‘pathological’ then it’s you who needs to see a doctor failing that take the ‘Mamma Mia’ DVD out of the player, drink a beer and put on any ‘Dirty Harry’ movie – watch and drink until you have restored at least some of your manhood or until you pass out,
Are you entirely sure you’re a man because you sound a lot like a girl?
You accuse MAS of always needing the last word – but it seems you always need it. You accuse me of ad hominem and then in the same sentence question my masculinity, which you seem to define as drinking beer and watching dirty harry movies.
I stand by my statement: if your main experience of women is ‘enduring their inane prattle… with a smile on your face and your hands on your wallet in the hope of seeing them naked’ then you need help. There is a phase many boys go through at around the age of thirteen (I deal with regularly in my work) in which they distance themselves from their mothers by aggressively rejecting everything feminine. The utterly adolescent tone of your posts (you finish the last one by calling me a girl, for heaven’s sake) suggests to me that you may be developmentally retarded, stuck in this thirteen year old phase, which can be quite dangerous. It would be well worth your while for you to see a psychologist.
Women are far more than objects of sexuality; I know too many intelligent, passionate, creative, interesting women of all ages to believe that somehow I just happen to have been lucky. If it’s ‘kissing the painted toes at the foot aimed squarely at my mouth’ to actually enjoy and appreciate women for more than their vaginas, then I’m happy to wear that label; if ‘masculinity’ requires seeing women only as valuable as tools for sexual gratification then masculinity be damned.
And I stand by what I said, you sound a lot like a girl.
@ Manthoughts–hey, ya got me! Well, plus, I crave chocolate, I’m impatient, and I’m certainly not perfect! Just fairly happy. Hope you are, too!
I also think of horn-tooting as trying to convince someone of one’s qualities. I really don’t care if anyone here believes me, and if it sounds like ‘horn-tooting’ it’s not to convince everyone about how perfect I am, but merely to say that hey, not all women are like that, and neither are all men. I’m just putting out my experience in my relationship, and what has seemed to work for me and my husband.
Because from the talk, you’d think that no one was ever happy with the opposite sex. And that is simply not true, from my personal experience of myself and many others I know.
And FWIW, I work very hard at trying to live by the Golden Rule. I think of that as being decent.And by that measure yes, I consider myself decent most of the time. Not trying to win points, just set up a definition.
What I see in this discussion is more, “Do unto others before they do unto you.” And IMHO that’s not decent, no matter how much one tries to justify it with all kinds of sob stories about who’s done what to who. And we’ve all got ‘em, believe me.
Some WomanThoughts for you.
Oh, goodness, I was supposed to be knitting! Better get going!
Young women may fall for pick-up artists. But when women eventually grow up emotionally, they regret this. Unfortunately, sometimes it is too late. I know one female friend who got a really good guy post-creep – after many years of self-examination. But another is stuck.
Of course there is a similar thing going on with guys. Most young guys want a vulnerable girl who needs him to protect and guide her (think “I am sixteen going on seventeen…”) 20 years later, they realize that their ego is not *that* important, and it would be really good if their wife was competent and resourceful as well. Some of us are lucky, and both we and our spouse grow up at the same time.
Its all about dominance, power, and aggressiveness. Women, not all women, certainly but most women most of the time respond to that like … catnip. And will DEFEND any “Alpha Male” (basically any guy with dominance, power, and aggression) almost to the death. Roman Polanski is married, and has many female defenders. Charlie Sheen was for years the “fantasy bad boy women loved to tame” and of course Twilight and Gossip Girl press the dominant/a-hole/aggressiveness button to much moolah. Tweens, teens, … and their mothers drool over Edward Cullen and Chuck Bass.
While Klavan’s clearly tongue in cheek, dominance works (with aggression and power). Weiner is married to an attractive woman, and has hot porn stars (Ginger Lee), various hot underage high school girls (allegedly), and hot “over 18″ at least women drooling all over him, accepting his tweets and private DMs.
Meanwhile Bill Beta-Male slaves away at the cubicle, and goes home to his porn collection every night. What all these women have done, collectively, is killed any “nice guy behavior.”
Men don’t do subtle. This is … absolute and complete confirmation to every guy (that’s about 90% of the male population) not awash in women that WHAT HE IS DOING IS WRONG. So expect, ladies, to find your male population, ESPECIALLY Bill Beta-Male in the cube next to you, to embrace the Guido-esque D-baggery that is the Situation, DJ Pauly, and yes Anthony Weiner. Expect anon (and carefully hidden from HR trackers) tweets showing “packages,” constant aggressive cheesy come-ons, general Jersey Shore D-baggery, and more. Fighting, obnoxiousness, and everything else is on the menu too, and don’t think you won’t escape it. Get ready for lots of Mystery clones with bad eyeliner and goggles on hats, doing lame Chris Angel magic tricks.
Like I said, men don’t do subtle. Be prepared, Ladies for the next thirty years or so of nearly universal male D-baggery. Ever escalating too. Because it works.
It does not matter if “you’re not that way,” or “not all women are like that.” Enough are, enough of the time, that every guy not with a virtual harem on his arm is going to go the “Full Weiner.” [Hmmm .... buy stock in tanning salons? Spray on tan companies?]
His wife is not attractive. Kind of horse-faced actually.
Since women purportedly find themselves attracted to men who have the same issues their fathers do, I think the blame continues to fall squarely on your gender, sir. Better fathering is needed. (Oh yeah, the feminists have declared fathering passee. Too bad we believed them.)
Loved the line:
For purposes of this paragraph, the word “allegedly” means “obviously.”
Well crap, I sure arrived at this party too late, LOL
There are decent women in the U.S, but the predominant number of them would be attracted to just such a guy like Weiner. One of the young girls who was all aflutter from receiving a DM had tweeted that married men were one of her turn-ons. It’s discouraging. Human decency, kindness, compassion just does not turn women on the way acting like a thug does. And for a lot of men, their effort to be a decent nice guy is met with disdain by women, to the point that they then become bitter and angry, which ironically enough, suddenly makes them attractive again. What a shame. It’s only when women survive the perils of a horrible marriage and subsequent divorce that they realize, maybe they shouldn’t have spurned the nice guy they once knew in college after all. But by then it’s too little too late.
I know there are good hearted women (rare as they are) who are desperately trying to find a good man, and believe me, we’re desperately trying to find you too, but I think it has become a near impossibility now in this human sewage waste that America has become. It’s worse for men, as we outnumber the available number of women who have never married or have children by a factor of 12 to 1.
Here’s why:
1) There is a theory that women are attracted to men who have the same issues their fathers have. I think it explains a lot.
2)Feminists have convinced our society that fathering is unnecessary. Most girls are growing up without a good man valuing them as persons.
3) Most girls grow up getting their information about how relationships should work from movies, not from watching a functional marriage close up.
Anything else you’d like me to clear up?
Loved the line:
For purposes of this paragraph, the word “allegedly” means “obviously.”
I see this argument, that “we’re looking for men like our fathers, so it’s STILL all your fault, men” over and over in these comments, and I’m not buying it.
Your argument stands on the premise that men’s problems started with the current generation. They didn’t. Our fathers suffered, too. Some of our grandfathers did as well, but it wasn’t until the swingin’ 70s and Roe v. Wade that it all became really widespread.
The cause of it all is modern divorce law. It has gradually made marriage a far riskier proposition for men, as more and more women have come to realize the benefits of leaving their husbands “just because”.
Now that you mention it, there are many hardworking, loving men without screaming girls chasing them about.
Men–this means that you don’t choose to be a person of honor and integrity for the purpose of attracting women.
Cads–this means that pretending you’re a person of character isn’t worth the effort.
There are some guys out there who just enjoy working and will work to better themselves for the sheer joy of it. For most men, though, the very reason they work hard is to attract a good woman and build the best life possible with her.
Take the woman out of that equation, and most men will naturally prefer to work the bare minimum to survive, maximizing their spare time for frivolous pursuits like video games. Why not, if they’ll ultimately gain nothing from dating?
Yes, there are good, loyal women out there. They have a strong tendency to get married to great guys at an early age.
Good to see Mr.Klavan posting here,we can use the comedic relief.
The bad boy reaction tends to be a phase in most females.It’s from the youthful rebellion – it’s just a thang- time.
The Weiner groupies are another form of the rock star panty pitchers who hope popularity will rub off on them with contact.These lasses latch on to power with hopes of some cash flow.They tend to be selfish and haven’t blossomed with maturity.
Much like their less prim sisters(that no nice man knows) the prostitutes,strippers and porn stars they find gratification in many small things.
Mr.Weiner could have avoided the embarrassment by showing Mr.Johnson to Ms.Hoover on the corner,she would oooo and aahh over it for $50 and not ask for a screen shot.
Mrs.Weiner seems to be a lovely woman who was willing to share her lovely bits with her husband but he felt he needed a bit of approval and sprucing up first.
You may want to hold onto that fem blaming a little tigher.
Andrew,
in case you are watching comments? I am the first, and still ONLY, man in the world to capture the crime of a man impersonating a magistrate in a family court matter. This man refuses to answer the question ‘are you acting under your oath today david’. If he is under oath he has an obligation to say so.
Gentlmen? Please pass this video FAR AND WIDE. It is the BEST EVIDENCE SO FAR of the crimes being committed in the courts.
And tell all the lads that my ‘split’ was 5% vs 95% and NO WOMEN denounce this as the crime it is.
http://www.youtube.com/user/peternolan1109?feature=mhee
And here is the book for men on how to free themselves from the tyranny of guvment. Just say “no” to being governed like I did.
http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/1/threadid/223/scope/posts/Default.aspx
“Women — by which I mean each and every single member of the female gender”
Your mother must be so proud!
I suspect he was being ironic.
So, lotta self-described “nice guys” who lament that guys like Anthony Weiner get lotsa sleazy chicks. If you really were “nice guys”, you wouldn’t want lots of THOSE girls. Which is it? You’re “nice guys”, or you want to follow Gina Lee on Twitter?
“Which is it? You’re “nice guys”, or you want to follow Gina Lee on Twitter?”
The problem is they are all Ginger Lees.
Find me a single American woman who:
Hates reality shows like Jersey Shore and the Kardashians.
Doesn’t get sage advice on the meaning of life from Glamour and Vogue magazines
Hasn’t had 25 sex partners by the time I meet her.
Is spiritual and intellectual, loves to discuss poetry, literature, art and music, and by music I don’t mean Lady Gaga.
Doesn’t berate me for being a man.
Has good hygiene and takes care of herself.
Doesn’t think cooking is beneath her and thus a chore only men should do.
Isn’t taking a cocktail of mind altering drugs to stay sane.
Doesn’t think Slutwalk is a cool movement that actually empowers women.
Know anyone like that who is still SINGLE? I didn’t think so.
I considered the large number of individual women I know and it’s true. I know a lot of great women and the women who meet those criteria are all taken. The really good women get married and stay married.
I always thought my husband odd for having the goal of finding a wife in college. Your comment shows how brilliant that was, and I think I’ll advice our sons to do the same.
Wait! Could this be evidence that the smart, family-oriented guys actually do have the best shot at reproduction?
It is as old as time. Act like a slut and you get treated like one. Act like a lady and you get treated like one. Works for me…
Really, dude? Though I think Weiner should have kept it to himself, I also think the media has blown this way out of proportion. But an off-hand defense of an accused rapist because he’s had willing women before? Saying that it’s their fault the Senator couldn’t keep it to himself? And saying it’s all women, ALL women, including the billions you’ve never met and probably will never even know existed.
Fail, dude. Epic Fail. You should be ashamed.
So friggen true!
Seriously?
I’m a “nice guy” that’s happily married. Maybe if you’d stop being so insulting to women, give up the victim blaming, and jump into the year 2011, you’d get a few more dates.
Astounding! You really do tick all the boxes.
Shaming language – Check!
Not all women are like that – Check!
Missed point entirely – Check!
All women are victims – Check!
Self adulation – Check!
White knighting – Check!
All this in one sentence – way to go girl!!
‘Trevor’ is clearly a woman. Almost no men could ever be that dumb.
That is what is great about pickup artists – they are greatly speeding up the learning curve by which young men learn that women are vastly less noble than they claim they are.
I love it!
I’m not sure anyone thinks I’m a “nice guy”, but I am a good man who is happily married too.
Here’s the deal though- when I was looking for a wife (about 30 years ago now), I realized that most of the women I knew were resentful, man hating witches, and I wanted nothing to do with them. Accordingly, I was prepared for the possibility of never finding anyone.
Better to swim alone than with someone who’ll invariably drag you under.
Apparently you, Trevor, don’t realize that:
1) You can’t possibly speak for all men.
2) The reason that you’re happy is that
A) Your wife is a rare find
or
B) You’ve ceded your manhood, as it were, to your wife- which is the reason
you’ve expressed your own emasculation, as “leaf” has so capably
described.
I’m leaning toward “B”
Let me get this straight: in dating and relationships, the choice is between being a semi-decent human being who gets 95% of his stuff taken by idiotic, self-absorbed women who don’t know what they want and being an arrogant a-hole who derives meaning in life by the number of times he gets laid.
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Summon the meteors.
This thread does come across that way, doesn’t it.
Mr. Klavan, your arguments are as old as the hills. So are the arguments supporting AND refuting them. Both sets of arguments are flawed in that probably 50% of women reject men who act like @$$holes, and just as many accept them. Attractiveness of either sex has little to do with it.
I will say that AW comes off a whole hell of a lot better than DSK, lately of the IMF, who clearly has a problem with the word no. They’re two different animals.
I commend you for demonstrating, on the public record, something that a lot of people are reluctant to say, namely that Andrew Klavan is a pathetic loser.
Look at these aging hags that use male names to attempt to appear legit.
Secondly, note how these yentas have nothing other than shaming language. They know Andrew Klavan is correct, and don’t like people learning about what women are actually like.
Here is what often happens. girls in their twenties have lots of boyfriends, if not bad boys, at least they have an “edge”. Then they hit thirty and want to settle down. Many a nice guy looks at the current state and thinks “maybe I don’t want to deal with all the emotional baggage she has accumulated. Perhaps she does find a nice guy to marry her. She has a couple of kids, and then it’s divorce court where she rapes the heck out of him. These alternatives are not a pretty sight to a fella. What is a nice guy to do?
It is the “fault” of women? All women? Wow. Let’s think about this. There are more than 103,000,000 American women between the ages of 15 – 64. Let us assume that a mere quarter of them are of the “desirable” age. That would be 25,750,000 women.
How many women received the Weiner photo? Out of that number, how many asked for more photos?
Want to know why can’t you find a mate? Re-read your comments.