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Lars Vilks, a Swedish artist, sketched some caricatures of Mohammed as a dog back in 2007, and for his efforts earned himself a fatwa — a death sentence issued by the good clerics of Al Qaeda in Iraq for the capital crime of depicting Islam’s prophet. Today that death sentence was nearly carried out as Vilks was assaulted (by a Muslim screaming “Allahu Ackbar!”) while giving a lecture in Uppsala, Sweden about his experiences with censorship. Luckily, Vilks survived; unluckily, he was headbutted directly in his face by the attacker; Vilks’ glasses were smashed, but police were on hand to prevent the follow-up beheading which the fatwa-givers had called for.

A Swedish TV station was on hand and managed to catch the attack on video:

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What you actually see here is the immediate aftermath of the attack: the cameraman missed the headbutt by a second or two, and by the time the camera pans down from the screen, Vilks is already crumpling to the floor and the attacker is trying to dodge his way out of the police’s grasp.

But the video is remarkable in a different way: It shows dozens of Muslims repeatedly screaming “Allahu Ackbar” in what looks like religious ecstasy over violence committed in their name, and joy over witnessing an attempted murder as punishment for blasphemy.

This happened today in Sweden, mind you, not during the Middle Ages nor even in 2001 in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan. Right now, in what is supposed to be the most liberal and progressive nation in the world.

Coverage of the Incident

Reason magazine seems to have been the ones who broke the story in the English-speaking world; it was quickly picked up by HotAir, which reminds us that recently arrested would-be terrorist “Jihad Jane” was plotting to kill Vilks over his sketches. The Jawa Report captured a screenshot of a Muslim woman on Facebook saying of Vilks “I would have shot him” rather than merely headbutt him.

And the mainstream media? To its eternal shame, in the BBC’s coverage of this incident they refer to Mohammed (as they are required to refer to Mohammed as part of the BBC’s style guidelines) as “the Prophet Muhammad”, with the epithet “Prophet” preceding his name in each instance. Does the BBC similarly refer to Jesus Christ as “The Messiah” or “Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ” or even “Jesus the Christ”? No. Due to abject fear and groveling cowardice, they use one religion’s own descriptor for their founder, but not any other religions’ descriptors for their founders.

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  1. 1. Baal

    What would have happened if he had drawn Moho as a turd? Just a thought…

  2. I think that perhaps people misheard what was said in the video. It didn’t really sound like “Allahu Akbar” to me. I heard something more along the lines of “Hey, tell the Israelis to stop building houses in Rabat Schlomo so the Palestinians can return to negotiations and eventually carve out a nation where two states can live in peace in the region and then democracy will spring forth from the ground to shower us all with blessings and blueberry scones and little puffy stickers of unicorns.”

    Did anyone other than me or the Obama administration hear this as well?

    • Darrell

      Jacob, no, I listened to it three times and he’s definitely saying “allahu akhbar”.

    • erik of dale

      The Palestinians actually had their first opportunity to “carve out” their own state waaayyyy back in 1948. Unfortunately they decided they would rather choose the path of war and so listened to their brother Arabs in surrounding countries who promised to throw the Jews into the sea and kill them all. We all know the consequences of that decision now, don’t we? I wonder how much different life would be for palestinians if they had chose to build a nation instead of choosing to destroy a nation.

    • JMD

      Isn’t that the literal translation of Allahu Akbar? Just like head butting is a traditional Muslim sign of friendship and beheading is a traditional gesture of peace and goodwill.

  3. 3. Pedro

    This a religion founded by a caravan marauding pedophile. The Prophet ,praise be his name, would be proud of this display of barbarism.

    • icetrout

      70 Virgins??? Where are all these virgins coming from???Talk about a simple-minded group of savages!!!

      • Ole Sarge

        As muslims seem to like little boys, it is probably 72 little boys, all unbuggered by a mussie, so far.

  4. 4. stevieray

    Enjoy your dhimmitude, Sweden.

    I hope you didn’t expect peace to follow your surrender, that’s not the way of the world. When you’re on your back the beatings intensify; the boot presses harder on your neck.

    You’ll never know peace again. Your children and grandchildren will never know peace. Your great-grandchildren will all be Muslims, so they sure as hell will never know peace. Your regression back to the Dark Ages is nearly complete.

    Such is the joy of multiculturalism — a barbarian’s paradise.

    • Andy Gump (formerly Oscar the Grump)

      Amen!

    • Ellen

      Islam would be wise not to push Sweden back to the Dark Ages. That’s when Sweden was a prime source of ferocious Viking raiders.

      • Skydiver

        Ellen, I think it’s your wishful thinking to blame. It’s too late already. The people of Sweden already lost these country.

      • Steph

        Sorry, Ellen, nice try, but it was the Norwegians and the Danes who were the ferocious Vikings who ventured far and wide.

  5. 5. The Anonymous Prophet Bob

    To call him a prophet is to make a factual claim. This would be like referring to Jesus as the son of God without explanation.

    I will take Mo at his word that he was a slaver, brigand and murderer. This was in keeping with his character. If he wishes to be thought of as a prophet he will need to find dumber followers than I.

    • The Prophet mishu

      By that reasoning, it’s accurate to call him the pedophile Mohamed.

  6. 6. forrest

    Is there a “Piss” Mohammed or one with fecal matter from a large mammal stuck all over it in any major art galleries in the West? Doubt it! Lefty elitists, especially in the “modern arts” (aka garbage) community are cowards and hypocrites (and not artists in the true sense!) *-O)):~{>

    • Zombie

      Yes, there is indeed a Piss Mohammed:

      Piss Mohammed

      There is also a portrait of Mo made partly out of fecal matter:

      The most controversial art you will ever see. Create your very own intifada with this! Pages taken from the Koran decoupaged on a wooden plaque with a picture of Mohammed eating a bacon sandwich! Topping it off are several dog droppings affixed to the pages, one of them forms Mohammed’s turban.” Yes, that’s right — Mohammed’s turban in this picture is made out of dog doo. ”

      Neither one is in a major art gallery, however. Unlike Piss Christ and Elephant Dung Mary, which are both considered significant contemporary artworks.

      • Delia

        “Create your own intifada”! LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

        Is that like a Ouija Fatwa?

        :) )))))))))

    • icetrout

      Bout time my Mohammad in Hog-Shit got more Gallery Time :)

  7. I imagine Keith Olbermann of MSNBC is falling all over himself running to get an intern to do a story on how many Westerners have been attacked by Muslims, in their respective countries, versus how many Westerners have attacked Muslims.
    The West is weak and in this great big world the weak pay and pay.
    Mike Misczuk

  8. 8. Delia

    I can solve this conflict once and for all!

    There needs to be more people coming forward with their natural occurrences
    of Mohammad’s image in objects like Jesus has:

    Jesus appears EVERYWHERE

    After all? How can you get angry at a potato chip or a banana that has the image
    of Moho?

    Every search your produce and report!

    • Delia

      P.S. Banana Jesus FTW!

      Or *IS* it ‘Jesus’? Dun dun dunnnnnn! :shock:

    • I would love to see the video of a group of hooded figures holding AK-47′s and rocket launchers reading out a prepared statement inviting the Chiquita banana girl to convert to Islam or face the sword. If I were industrious, here is where I would go into photoshop and whip out a picture of the Chiquita girl in a burka as well as California raisin to see if anyone could tell them apart by looking at the eyes.

      • Delia

        :lol: Hilarity ensues indeed! Good one, Jacob! :D

        And, how about a Fatwa on Chester Cheeto for the ‘Mohammad Cheeto’ (talk about a cheesy religion) vs. Captain Crunch for the ‘Cereal Mohammad’ (talk about a cereal killer –ba-dum-bump!).

  9. 9. Llarry

    I especially like the shrieking harridan jumping up and down like a five-year-old who has to go the bathroom.

    The problem with Muslims in general is their emotional retardation, which is caused by the religion itself. If you want to read an incredibly depressing book, check out Saved by Her Enemy: An Iraqi Woman’s Journey from the Heart of War to the Heartland of America, by Don Teague and Rafak Barrak.

    Teague is a CBS news correspondent who brought a young Iraqi woman–Rafak–to the U.S. to give her a better life. The book is amazing, because she’s so childish emotionally. I was hoping for an uplifting story of triumph, which I suppose Teague thinks he wrote, but all I came away with was the conviction that Islam is simply incompatible with modern life. I wanted so badly to like that young Iraqi woman. I couldn’t, though. She’s not a likable person, entirely due to the religion. And she wasn’t even a devout Muslim.

    The religion warped her, even though she was a moderate. It made her ignorant, selfish, weak, infantile, and full of hate. I highly recommend the book as a cautionary tale.

  10. 10. Gould's Ghost

    This happened today in Sweden, mind you, not during the Middle Ages nor even in 2001 in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan. Right now, in what is supposed to be the most liberal and progressive nation in the world.

    LOL. YOu live in a country in which spectators routinely destroy neighborhoods and injure people when their favorite sports team wins a match. Typical American idiot; always on the look out for another culture to point at. Meanwhile your country has been falling apart for the last four decades. Good luck, I hope the sweet stench of bigotry made it all worth it, when you’re begging for scraps from China’s table.

    • SwervyMinerva

      I’m doing a survey on what it feels like to be mentally disabled. Would you be willing to fill out a questionnaire?

      You fish a random non-fact out of thin air and use it as some sort of counter-argument. The “soccer riots” and sports-victory celebrations in just about every country in the world are far worse and more violent than the very few that have ever happened in America. You must have read one article once about a celebration that got out of control and extrapolated that it is a common occurrence in the US. But more importantly: What’s that got to do with trying to murder cartoonists? Are you implying that murdering artists is perfectly acceptable and beyond criticism because someone, somewhere, once in the past was happy that a team won a game? If anyone is a “typical idiot,” it is you, because you anti-American brainwashed automatons invariably trot out the “change the subject” technique of argumentation when faced with a news event which undermines the delusion which passes for your worldview.

      I’m actually quite glad to read your comment, because if the average person in whatever shithole you come from is as uninformed, ignorant, bigoted (yes, it is you who are bigoted) and prone to underestimation as you are, then the US will have no problem dominating world culture for the upcoming centuries, and ensuring freedom of thought and freedom of action against the repressive desires of evil yet impotent people like you.

    • Llarry

      Good luck, I hope the sweet stench of bigotry made it all worth it, when you’re begging for scraps from China’s table.

      Opposing Islamic violence is bigotry? So, when the Allah-shouters come after you for not submitting, we shouldn’t help you, right? Okay, then.

      As for those Chinese scraps, the reality is that the American electorate is beginning the arduous process of taking the government back from those who think we should emulate Red China. The poor Chinese have no ability to determine their own fate, so we’ll stick with our own imperfect country, thank you.

      The reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated, I think you’ll soon see…

    • Mr Ghost,

      I think you’ve got that about right. The violence against the Dutch gentleman was wrong, but the perpetrators at least have the excuse that they come from less developed part of the world, less well educated, underexposed to other types of people, etc.

      What excuse do the ignorant, violent, angry people that populate the comment boards of PJM have? They come from a supposedly advanced society? (What a joke of course, European culture as we know it was born of barbarism and barbarism has never been far from the surface.)

      And I think the comparison is apt. Muslim people get angry if you insult their religious figureheads. Americans will get even angrier and more violent if they are insulted, but they don’t care about religion – being mostly atheists – so they don’t react when things are said about religion. But if you find something they are insulted by, they will react as barbarically as any medieval Taliban.

      Goodness me! You only have to disagree with them for them become enraged, as can be seen on this comment-thread.

      • MarkTheGreat

        It’s amazing how much hatred the average liberal has. So much so that he has to project the same emotion onto everyone he disagrees with in order to live with himself.

        Additionally, the average liberal is either emotionally or intellectually incapable of telling the difference between disagreeing with someone and insulting them.

      • Ole Sarge

        Rather an amusing rant, typical liberal stuff, projecting their conduct off on others. Have you seen any violence out of the folks showing up at the Tea Party events? Nope! Have you seen violence at liberal events, such as the laraza events, illegals and libs against the civilized world? Yep, violence is common for those opposed to freedom and what American stands for.

  11. 11. Professor Guvinoff

    Can’t remember who wrote this recently, but the quote was “Westerners are like sheeps trying to convince the wolves to become vegetarians.

    This atrophy of the western cultural immune system is alarming. The most urgent task is to get informed, one citizen at a time. Read the “Islam 101″ condensed course made of quotations from the scriptures and other authoritative documents of Islam on the scholarly Jihadwatch.com website. You will never fall again in the trap of thinking of the presumed “religion of peace”. We stupidly keep mired in the self-flagellating canard of racism and slavery in American history, while slavery, genocide and systematic abuse of women is still routinely practiced in Islamic societies today. There is more tyranny and abuse than freedom in this world in this 21st century. America is the example of a society that did manage to overcome its old practices and attitudes, against the vociferations of the career race-baiters. How many times do we have to fight the American civil war and the civil rights crusade again?

    We are still talking mindlessly of “African-Americans” when the only reasonable label is just “Americans”. Why is this supposed not to be precise enough? Being an American is the most distinct nationality and hyphenation is at the minimum stupid, and in the worst case malevolent.

    Let’s not fall in the trap of trying to accomodate the islamic bullies. The only sensible response is to confront them, just as it is for run-of-mill bullies. These hyperemotional fanatics have more to learn from us than we could ever learn from them. What’s wrong with healthy pride rooted in authentic accomplishments? We don’t have fall in the same trap as our president, who is by definition disposable, whereas the jihadists are far more durable existence. If you care about your children, fight those who are determined to subjugate them.

    Is there anything more important and urgent to do?

  12. 12. cbinflux

    Deportation is in order. Save Sweden from these 6th-century inbreeders!

    Note that they even brought their toddlers to witness, to be indoctrinated in hatred.

    • tanstaafl

      Sweden is the poster child for the inevitable repercussions of political correctness.

      Norway isn’t far behind.

  13. 13. Delia

    Exactly, Prof.! Grouping people into ethnic grievance groups vs successful ethnic groups weakens our country into water and oil nightmarish loss of AMERICAN identity.

  14. 14. Naser

    Islam is the only true religion and the followers know that very (I can’t emphasize how well) well and respect the prophet mohammed, so the artist did not need to do when he knows muslims don’t accept it what so ever. The only hatred shown here is by the artist. You don’t need to read others, I have said it all. And Allah Akber means god is great and it is not a sign of violence what so ever. Get your facts right because muslims are sick of false articles and talk.. Don’t mess with islam and islam won’t mess with you. Islam is all about peace but when the islamic countries getting robbed of oil and getting conqured then of course they will fight back.. I find it so hard to believe how ppl are ignorant and believe everything they read that looks like it has been written by a good writer but not the true facts that it has.

    • ehunter

      Not messing with Islam means repeating Islams lies, and participating in its
      psychosis right? In Christianity the phrase is..”ye shall know the tree by its fruit”..and the fruit of Islam is 16 blood soaked centuries of failure.
      Get out of the West…stay out. Back to your lunatic asylum countries.
      No muslime immigation..NONE. GET OUT.

    • Llarry

      Islam is all about peace but when the islamic countries getting robbed of oil and getting conqured then of course they will fight back.

      By killing tens of thousands of Muslims. Excellent plan. If Canada invaded the U.S., I would fight back by murdering my neighbors. It’s the Islamic way!

    • Koblog

      Islamic countries

      Our first mistake is allowing for an Islamic World.

      One sign of our weakness is to let them frame the World in their terms. They allow for no other world than an “Islamic World.” What’s theirs is theirs, what’s ours is to be theirs also.

      It’s the same problem we have with liberalism here.

      To liberals, there is only their way of “peace” — and if you don’t like it, they’ll bust your head in. (The violence so feared and predicted by Big Sis to come from the right comes actually exclusively from the left.)

      To Islamics, there’s only their way of “peace” — and if you don’t submit to their view of the world, violence.

      Can you name the countries that make up the self-confessed “Christian” world? (Hint: Egypt and Turkey were once Christian.) We lose the battle when we write off 53 nations as “Islamic” as if they have to stay that way.

      • Excuse me, but you’re insane.

        You want ‘disallow’ the Islamic world? What are you going to do, destroy them all with nuclear weapons?

        You don’t need to answer that. Knowing as they do, that America and Israel are filled with violent, irrational people like you, is it any wonder that Islamic countries feel the need to possess nuclear weapons? You create the problem with your violence and calls for violence, then howl for more violence because of a problem you created. It’s not escalation – it’s all you!!

        And as for your remarks about Egypt and Turkey – for goodness sake, it was 1000-1500 years ago when those countries became Islamic. Is there nothing you can leave in the past?

        Even the most primitive, savage feuds generally only last for generations; I thought the Serbs reached the maximum when they held a grudge for 400 years. You want to hate a billion people for what happened 1500 years ago?!!

        You don’t get less rational than that!
        If you’re an American, you’re a disgrace to all Western culture.

        • ehunter

          Its easy to disallow Islam. Keep Islam inside of Islam. Got it? Not too freeking difficult really.
          Keep their insanity, tribal wars, assasinations, blood fueds and disgusting religion..to feed off each other.
          No muslim immigration..except in the highly limited way that West visits Islamic countries.
          Isolated compounds for diplomatic personnel under guard and an escort to the airport when the visa
          expires. And that is being generous.

        • myth buster

          We don’t need to destroy all their countries- just two cities. If we dropped thermonuclear weapons on Mecca and Medina, Muslims would have to admit that their Allah is nothing but a damned demon, powerless to defend his sanctuary, let alone them.

          • MarkTheGreat

            It’s been my position for several years that the US’s nuclear policy should go something like this.

            If a WMD is used anywhere in the US, we won’t wait to determine who did it, an immediate counter strike will be launched against Mecca. If we are hit again, Medina becomes the next glass parking lot.

        • Tim in Philly

          Dude, Seriously. How come it is Ok for the muslims to hold a grudge about the crudsades, some one thousand years ago, but your gonna bust balls about Egypt and Turkey? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. They keep crying about something that happened a thousand years ago, that they effin won. STFU Asshat.

        • RickGreenvilleSC

          Chris, man, give it up. You cannot win here. . . .The people here at PJM are patriotic Americans who have not turned their ability to think for themselves over to “o” and his crowd. You might better go back to the Kos, before someone here hands you an intellectual bitch-slapping.

    • MarkTheGreat

      It’s amazing how a person can pack so many lies into such a short posting.
      So the fact that the mentally deficient assailant shouted Allah Akbar while he was trying to kill the artist is proof that the attempted murder wasn’t a violent act?

    • Paul -Indiana

      “when the islamic countries getting robbed of oil …. ”
      ====================
      Robbed at $80/bbl? If the oil producing countries had no oil they would have nothing at all. As it is, the Western countries provided the technology to extract the oil from the ground. Contrary to the BS coming from Islamic leaders, Muslims did not invent much of anything except constant intermarriage and suicide bombers.

      • MarkTheGreat

        They did invent the zero.
        But nothing since then.

        • Callahan23

          The arabic culture didn’t even invent the zero, it was an Indian:
          “In 498 AD, Indian mathematician and astronomer Aryabhata stated that “Sthanam sthanam dasa gunam” or place to place in ten times in value, which may be the origin of the modern decimal-based place value notation.” (Wikipedia)

    • Skydiver

      Nasser, I would love nothing more, then to STOP bying oil from muslim countries. We pay $800 Billion a year for your oil. I would rather pay this money to companies that pump oil in US, and create jobs in US. If American people get any wiser, they will kick out all politicians in a way to American Jobs, and let you eat your won oil. We developed oil for you, we pumped enormous amount of money into your countries, and that’s what we get. It’s time, let me refrase it, it’s high time for you to be on your own, and not have MUSLIM OIL STOLEN BY AMERICA.

    • Wildcat

      Islam is the only true religion
      There are hundreds of religion all claiming to be the true one…

      and the followers know that very (I can’t emphasize how well) well and respect the prophet mohammed,
      And they are all saying they know very well and know the truth….

      so the artist did not need to do when he knows muslims don’t accept it what so ever.
      Unlike you lots, artist have a freemind and it is you who dont know or respect the artist in what he does.

      The only hatred shown here is by the artist.
      No, it is you and your people who shows hatred. the artist merely expressed his point of view. SOmetimes, an artist just make something just to show it can be done with no ulterior meaning whatsoever.

      You don’t need to read others, I have said it all.
      To know all facts is the way to get to the truth. your way is putting it all in box not listening and seeing those around you.

      And Allah Akber means god is great and it is not a sign of violence what so ever.
      When you shout the phrase as violence is being done to encourage it, then it is a sign of violence.

      Get your facts right because muslims are sick of false articles and talk..
      Yet those false articles are the very things you live for…

      Don’t mess with islam and islam won’t mess with you.
      So what did the chlidren did to islam that your kind blow themselved up amongst them?

      Islam is all about peace but when the islamic countries getting robbed of oil and getting conqured then of course they will fight back..
      Rob you? your country/your king is the one deciding the price of oil!

      I find it so hard to believe how ppl are ignorant and believe everything they read that looks like it has been written by a good writer but not the true facts that it has.
      Tell that to yourself…..

    • “Islam is the only true religion”

      Sunni or Shia?

  15. 15. Dave Surls

    “respect the prophet mohammed”

    I have as much respect for the “prophet” as I have for any other murderer, slaver, thief and child-molestor.

    Which ain’t much.

  16. 16. leigh

    Mohammad was afraid of dogs and wouldnt go into a house where a dog had been(hated crosses as well) If allah is great(I doubt that as he is confused for example about Biblical stories with the imperfect plagerism of his Quran) then dogs are the infidels’ best friend!

  17. 17. leigh

    Don’t mess with islam and islam won’t mess with you. Islam is all about peace- ah the gentle Nasser
    Says it all really?

    allah boasts in his book that retaliation/revenge is prescribed for Muslims (as it was for their role model Mohamamd)
    . Nasser – have you read the Sirat ? Tell me about it

  18. The false fuhrer’s followers are a malignantly metastasizing cancer upon Judeo-Christian/Western/Human Civilization and, unless surgically removed from it, will kill it.

  19. 19. Chris W

    Since the commenters on this thread seem to know nothing of history – this is completely typical for Americans, whose historically illiteracy exceeds even their cultural philistinism – let me fill you in:

    The people of Christendom and the people of the Muslim world lived side-by-side in what was mostly a peaceful, friendly and mutually beneficial relationship for hundreds of years. There were occasional wars, as afflicts all humans, but very many fewer wars between us than the wars within Christendom and Islam respectively; so relatively it was a relationship marked by peace and mutual respect.

    We shared a great deal, and learned from each other. Not just during the wonderful period prior to the renaissance, when Islam contributions from various sources within and external to their culture, brought about the great rebirth of Western culture and learning; but throughout the Enlightenment and into the modern era, Islamic culture has enriched us.

    I’m a Christian, and I love Islam! Every Westerner who presumes an acquaintance with civilisation should love Islam.

    In contrast with American culture, which (with the exception of African American culture which has given the world an immense amount, and I exclude from all following remarks) is dragging the world down into a new dark age of avarice, materialism, immorality, love of violence, and just plain DUMBNESS.

    You are ignorant, uncultured barbarians. You take everything; you wreck and smash everything, and what you don’t smash you desecrate; you give nothing that matters because you have nothing that matters.

    You have no right to criticise anyone or anything.

    History will remember you like the Spartans – that there were once a group of people who were militarily strong and briefly dominated the world, but their love of all things low and their hatred of things refined was their downfall, they contributed nothing to civilisation and apart from their name and infamous reputation, they have been happily forgotten.

    • The Colonel

      >Since the commenters on this thread seem to know nothing of history – this is >completely typical for Americans, whose historically illiteracy exceeds even their >cultural philistinism – let me fill you in:
      >
      >The people of Christendom and the people of the Muslim world lived side-by-side in >what was mostly a peaceful, friendly and mutually beneficial relationship for hundreds >of years. There were occasional wars, as afflicts all humans, but very many fewer wars >between us than the wars within Christendom and Islam respectively; so relatively it >was a relationship marked by peace and mutual respect.
      I’m struggling to find anything true in this assertion – either Chris W is as ignorant as he accuses the rest of you of being, he is deeply decieved or he is a liar.

      Peace between Christianity and Islam has been as rare and ellusive as peace between Islam and any other religion.
      Islam spread over much of its current range by violence as the immediate sucessors of Mohammed conquered swathes of the Parthian and Eastern Roman Empires. The Parthians tended to be Zoroastrian (and where are they now?) but the Eastern Romans were predominately Christian: Cities like Alexandria and Damascus were centres of Christian scholarship before they were overrun by the hordes pouring up from Arabia.
      The Mohammedan invasion of the Christian world swept through North Africa and Spain and on into France where it was finally stopped at Poitiers and slowly rolled back – it was the 1490s before the last Islamic colony in Spain was conquered and Islamic North Africa was still a plague on everyone in the Mediterranean until the 19th Century (that’s the reason the US Marines sing about Tripoli … they managed to provoke the US into its first foreign war).
      In the East the remains of the Eastern Roman Empire (aka the Byzantines) delayed the spread of Islam for centuries until the fall of Constantinople ended their existence as a real power. The Crusades were part of this conflict – limited, local counterattacks against a background of desperate defence – and eventually failed. With the fall of Byzantium the spread of Islam continued until Jan Sobiewski broke the Ottoman army at Vienna, and thereafter the roll-back began. Again, it took until the 19th century to free previously Christian lands from Islamic oppression.
      That’s (roughly) thirteen centuries of pretty continuous warfare resulting from Islamic aggession – it wasn’t until the late 19th Century that European powers became strong enough to conduct more that local counter attacks.
      Was there peace in that period? Occasionally – usually brought about by stalemates and exhaustion? Did Christians and Muslims co-operate? There were certainly oppressed populations of Christians living as Dhimmi in the Islamic world who had little other choice, but the Islamic desire for co-operation can be clearly seen by the way so many of their mosques either took over or replaced Christian churches. They saw no need to co-operate where they could dominate and enslave, and to be fair the Christian world was not at all tolerant of entryism either.

      So Chris W is either wrong, or lying, or possibly both. Go look it up for yourself.

    • swallis

      ”I’m a Christian and I love islam”…you’re not a Christian, you’re a collaborator. To your knees Chris and give hommage to satans religion. You know nothng of America other than what the socialists have taught you. and if your truly knew your history as you claim you would know the Spartans, through their sacrifice allowed the Greek culture to survive. America has spent much blood and treasure over the years to protect Europe and asia. I wouldn’t consider it worth it mind you because within a generation Europe as it is now known will no longer survive. You are/will be overrun by jihadis. Maybe that’s why you ”love” islam-you’re just getting an early start with the religion of pieces.
      To your knees Chris, to your knees…

    • WJ

      Chris W., you write very good satire!

    • MarkTheGreat

      Chris declares that Americans are ignorant of history, then he spins a fairy tale straight out of PC fiction.

      There was never a time when muslims lived peaceably, side by side with anyone. The few non-muslims permitted to live in muslim lands were treated little better than slaves. Indeed, most of them were slaves.

      As to the causes of the crusade, perhaps if the muslims had stayed intheir own lands instead of trying to capture all of the known world, there wouldn’t have been any problems.

      Leave off the attempts at intellectual superiority Chris, you can’t pull it off.

    • Jon

      what a shallow comment with no perspective. spoken like a true liberal who sees the world as you feel it is, not as it truly is. i too think you’re right that we’ll be gone and forgotten someday, but i think we’ll fail because we were, ironically, too compassionate. and i think the world will miss us . . .

    • Menachem Ben Yakov

      The myth of the ” Golden Age ” of harmony between Muslims, Christians and Jews should be laid to rest. Compared to medieval Christendom the Muslims were certainly less barbaric towards Jews but barbaric nonetheless. The attempt to whitewash Muslim rule of Cordoba is just such an example. Maimonides was born in Cordoba and had to flee to escape persecution. Here is just a sample of what he wrote- ” G-d has hurled us in the midst of these people, the Arabs, who have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us…. Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase and hate us as much as they. ” There is a Codoba House planned steps from the WTC. Americans should be enraged.

    • shanghaicharlie

      ChrisW,

      If Americans are so dumb the rest of the world must be even dumber, including Muslims. Else, why do they all want to move to the USA? Can’t you tell them to stay away?

    • BillyBob

      Chris, that may have been the most ignorant diatribe ever given in the history of ignorant diatribes. Congratulations on a hate filled worldview and it’s concomitant contributions to harmony and peace in the world. Lol.

  20. 20. blotto

    ChrisW: First, why not convert to Islam if it is so great? Second, why not move to an Islamic nation since whatever western nation you live in is so evil? Third, tell us about some of those gifts Islam has given us? Lastly, tell us about your religion of peace vis a vis its practice of honor killing, stoning, homicide bombers killing other muslims, repression of women, anti-free speech ad infinitum.

    Nice try there Chris but that sop will not cut it. Trying to regurgitate what your professor said is lame and weak.

  21. 21. Diggs

    The ARAB world was indeed the repository for a lot of the knowledge gained by the western and near-eastern cultures prior to the “dark ages”. However, that was in spite of, not because of, islam. The knowledge was simply stored in the arab world. Since the rise of islam, there has not been one single worldly advancement from islamic world. Imams preach even now that all knowledge needed by any human being is contained in the Q’ran, and that seeking knowledge elsewhere is against the will of Allah. Though it is very hard to seperate arab culture from muslim culture, one area of great separation is in the sciences. Arab culture supported the sciences, islamic culture suppresses the sciences.
    So yes, there is a grain of truth to the PC myth that the islamic world was responsible for helping the western world into the Renaissance. But it has nothing to do with islam, nothing to do with islamic support of the sciences, nothing to do with islam being a “peaceful religion”, and nothing at all to do with where islam and muslims fit in today’s cultural or scientific circles.

    • MarkTheGreat

      The Muslim world wasn’t the only repository of ancient knowledge during the dark ages. Christian monastaries also held and protected ancient writtings.

  22. Well those cartoons offend me deeply… because that looks like a Jack Russell Terrier (my favorite dog), with an ugly Mohammud face on it…. oooh soooorrry what’s the penalty for not knowing how (or maybe on purpose) to spell the founder of muslim terrorism’s name.

    • Delia

      Exactly right.

      Also, this is more about overt Western dhimmitude than anything else and it is time to stop appeasing a few assholes who wear badges of victimhood.

      Buh-bye!

  23. 23. Duncan Druhl

    Actually, rather than Islam as the instigator of the Renaissance, one might posit that it was the academics and administrators of the Caliphate which did so and subsequently scattered as life reverted to tribal ways: the Jews. Remember, it was the Jews who provided the commercial, academic, and inventive capacity of not only the Caliphate, but the western world as well since they were the only consistently educated group in the world at that time. I’d go on, but this will spark considerable controversy even though it is based on truth.

    The Crusaders wiped out so many centuries of knowledge as they plundered their way across the Middle East. Sad.

    But, to the subject, even though the followers of this pedophile desert nomad are raised to levels of hate unfamiliar to western Judeo-Christian normal people, his denigration really does us no good. The defilement of Christ, Zoroaster, or any other worshipped entity does not honour us, nor increase our esteem. While I have no real respect for the evil this man has brought into the world, the best remedy is to ignore him and his ignorance while we combat the influence of those who profane humanity with this garbage.

  24. 24. skeeziks

    These cheering Muslims sound like the fans of Scott Roeder. But then, he deserved killing.

    • Just Passing Through

      I think you must have some sort of medical condition. You cannot seem to restrain yourself from yawping out utter f**cking stupidity.

    • Mr. Lucky

      10. Gould’s Ghost sleaziits

      “LOL. YOu…” “Good luck, I hope the sweet stench of bigotry…” .

      Jeez, keyboard in the cesspool… Lame. Lame. Le lame. Le lame.

      Bigot…???? Just love them hillbillies don’t you, Mr. Gasping liar bigot.

      98. skeeziks
      “…stop buying Hillbilly Heroine from your maid”
      Jan 27, 2010 – 7:49 am

      “251. moho:
      After some quiet reflection, I realize now that I’m completely wrong…”
      Nov 27, 2009 – 8:28 am

      “252. Moho:
      “Malingering hillbillies that you are…”,
      “Back to work, you shiftless cousin-f%^^%ers.”
      Nov 27, 2009 – 10:28 am

      As predicted (a rather simple exercise) Mr. Gasp sleazis – moho- oscar le cesspool, ______________ (you’re choice of ID) appears with a “new” personality. Check the cadence, the condescension, the usual defense of anything muslim without regard to reality, and the obligatory but very necessary put down of American culture.

      Mr. Gasp sleazits has nothing to say about the political realm, as the Modern Liberal Cesspool object lives and breathes raw sewage. That’s all it knows. It should be kept in mind that methane based life forms have a different outlook on existence. From the Modern Liberal point of view, this is caused by environmental factors. So anything goes. No responsibility. Of course. You are what you eat Mr. Gasp.

      The political aspect exists only for getting attention. The goal is to bring the rest of the world in line with its funhouse mirror reflections. Imagine, worshiping toilet bowls sans le hangover. Hail Gasp!

      Mr. Gasp, where is oscar le sleazits? Did it get run off like so many others of the methane spawn? That ID was quite le load. Like Javvvveeeeeelin. Now it’s Mr. Gasp. Yeah, how cool!

      How’s le Pee Wee moho these days? Seen any good movies lately? Does le Van Jones play le keys too? And le Kyber, dear dear le Kyber, the lawn chocolate eatin’ form of le sleazits… Like Mr. President, Bow Wow Wow!

      Kyber barking in H#m,

      69. skeeziks
      “You people are children. You remind me of my granddaughter who yesterday got caught feeding chocolate to Kyber our dog. She knows she’s not supposed to do that. She said, “You don’t know what Kyber likes, only Kyber does.’”
      Jan 29, 2010 – 9:05 am

      Yeah “you people”, you’re not “allowed” to have your own thoughts either.

      How can one forget? Now bark and Gasp sleazits. Make some noize! Come Feel the Noize!!! Noize, noize, noize! Girrrlls and Boyzzz! Get it?

      Whatever.

  25. 25. Thomas_L.....

    “I’m a Christian, and I love Islam! Every Westerner who presumes an acquaintance with civilisation should love Islam.” – Chris W, dhimmi.

    Just let me say, “Screw Mohumbug and anyone who swallows this crap!”
    *-O)):~{>

  26. Although the topic veered a little bit, I would like to note on a few posts that claimed that Americans are bigots; the posters generally then followed with bigoted statements against Americans making one wonder if they have even a tenuous grasp on the concept of irony.

    If we want to talk about bigotry, and I think we should, let’s make a few comparisons. Instead of reserving your animosity for American citizens, why can these people not comment on the point of the post? Apparently, a Swedish man got attacked for some cartoons he drew. Then other Moslems in the audience started cheering. Is this not bigotry? What about a comparison between Saudi Arabia and the US. Saudi Arabia does not allow Jews to visit their country under normal circumstances. (Rahm Emanuel did, but he was traveling with the POTUS.) In fact, I, as a Jew, could be executed simply for being a Jew in SA; it is a capital crime there to be a Jew. Additionally, there are two cities in SA, Mecca and Medina, that bar entrance to ALL non-Moslems, once again, under penalty of death. That’s right; you can get the death penalty for entering these two cities. I can get the death penalty for entering the country. Anti-Moslem bigotry is not the only kind on display in SA. Women are not allowed to go anywhere alone in the kingdom. They must always be accompanied by a family member, though sometimes a driver will do if you are wealthy. This is because men and women are not allowed to mix in SA. As the restriction is enforced, it means that women have no recourse to flee an abusive husband and are often unable to get jobs out of the home. How could they work in a café if their brother must stand there and watch them the whole time? Indeed, as a logical extension of this law, women are not allowed to drive. If they are found alone, they can get lashed as punishment. Even if they are kidnapped from the presence of their family members and dragged somewhere else and raped, they will bear the brunt of the punishment for being alone with strange men; the fact that they were kidnapping doesn’t reduce their guilt in the eyes of Saudi Courts.

    If you want to talk about enlightenment Chris and Gould’s Ghost, please visit Saudi Arabia. And don’t forget to bring a baptism certificate (though no Bible, cross, rosary, or Greek orthodox prayer beads; these items are forbidden and will be taken from you). If you don’t have your baptism certificate and someone mistakes you for a member of my tribe, you could very easily wind up learning a lot about intolerance first hand. As for America? Please point to similar bigoted restrictions here before trying to draw some false comparison.

  27. 27. tanstaafl

    I’m a Christian, and I love Islam! Every Westerner who presumes an acquaintance with civilisation should love Islam.

    mmmm, mmmm, mmm…ever read the Koran ?

    In one of the sura, Allah grants Mohammed permission to have sex with his foster son’s wife (sometimes referred to as his adopted son, Mohammed had no surviving male heirs, which might have obviated the whole shi’ite/sunni thing…) Allah makes gracious allowance to facilitate Mohammed’s lifestyle and household management, all those bickering women, so little time.

    A reasonable person might find it fascinating that Allah was so preoccupied with Mohammed’s sex life & household management.

    For your further edification (if that’s possible), here is some stuff from a Coptic Christian, who has firsthand knowledge of life for a Copt in Egypt.

    The Strange Teachings of Muhammad

  28. 28. Gould's Ghost

    I’m doing a survey on what it feels like to be mentally disabled.

    Yes, you are, lol.

  29. 29. Gould's Ghost

    I’m actually quite glad to read your comment, because if the average person in whatever shithole you come from is as uninformed, ignorant, bigoted (yes, it is you who are bigoted) and prone to underestimation as you are,

    LOL/I live in–and was born in–America. I can see why Delia likes you.

    • Donna V.

      Mr. Lucky has you pegged, moho, you pitiful, lying dolt. You’re a loser with no life and no friends. You spend your days trolling PJM obsessively using different nics but everyone sees through you. What a sad, sorry, angry, disturbed little nothing of a person you are. A perfect emblem of the Age of Stupid. What a terrible thing it would be to be you.

  30. 30. tanstaafl

    Good luck, I hope the sweet stench of bigotry made it all worth it, when you’re begging for scraps from China’s table.

    As soon as the Chinese stop polluting the planet (7 of 10 most polluted cities in the world), using up its vast pool of human labor to create cheap, toxic junque, submerging ancestral villages to dam the mighty Yangtzee (the river shall burst her Three Gorges walls), profiteering from the worldwide organ trade, killing inhabitants of whole villages, taking the villagers’ plasma and then reinjecting AIDS contaminated blood, whole hog dumping of toxins into waterways (it was hard to get all that foam off the river prior to the summer Olympics), mass killings of regime detractors, strangling Tibet, and a butt ugly giant statue of Mao outside Lhasa Apso…lessee, this week, attacks on schools and schoolchildren…

    Maybe I’ll start respecting her a little and/or think about begging some scraps from her mighty table.

  31. 31. Gould's Ghost

    Wow. Did you think that my very mainstream assessment of our future economic subservience to that government was in any way a qualitative one? It doesn’t matter whether China’s a bastion of civil liberties or an oppressive nightmare state, we’re going to end up under her boot heel. One the most obvious reason is the fiddling while Rome burns that happens on blogs like this one. Like I said, no country in the world can match the US for senseless violence of all kinds, religious to race-based to financially-motivated. It would be one thing if you were ignoring that to focus on economic and political issues of greater concern–instead you’re staring at your navel and condemning other country’s with low levels of violence that we can only hope to someday mirror. Stupid. Indeed, make sure you tell your chinese overlords how much you despise their abuse of their environment and their people. Its really going to get through to them once we have lost all relevance in global affairs.

    • Mr. Lucky

      Sleazits – oscar le child bummer – Mr. Gasp.

      Why bother with the window dressing? Just call anyone who disagrees with le Cesspool Life stupid. Succinct. One word, one theme. Many personalities.

      Same old theme, America, the most violent place on Earth.

      How about that offer to send you and your family to the Central African Republic? It’s very peaceful there. Not like the U.S.

      Could you bark a few bars of the Oscar le Meyer le Weenie song?

      You need schoolin’…Bark Kyber baby, bark. Whatever.

    • Since you live in and were born in America, let me let you in on a little secret. Europe has a massive problem with crime and violence that often goes unreported in the US. It is true that America was more violent in the 70′s. Today that isn’t so anymore. Just because you are unable to process anything factual because of the massive chip on your shoulder doesn’t mean you have a right to speak without knowledge.

      To start with, the assessment that China will dominate America is far from mainstream and it doesn’t look logical at all. I made comments about this on another thread yesterday that I won’t repeat here, but please feel free to explain how China’s bankrupt banks, lack of a justice system, demographic time bomb of a country can hope to compete with America this century. If you think we’ll be begging from them, then I would invite you to invest every dime you have in China’s stock market. I’ll loan you a fiver for a McDonald’s value meal when the bubble bursts.

      • MarkTheGreat

        From an economic perspective, it is always easier to play catch-up.
        This is what China has been doing. Replacing 5th to 10th century technologies with 21st century technologies. When you replace a water bufalo with a tractor, you will get a huge increase in productivity. When you replace hand blown kilns with modern industrial furnaces, you will get a huge increase in productivity.

        However, this is a one time boost to your economy. To remain competitive and to keep your economy growing you need the economic and political climate necessary to promote growth.

        China does not have this infrastructure, and as long as the oligarchs rule, it won’t get it.

        • Yeah, law of diminishing returns. If a country like Canada spends $20 billion to maintain and update infrastructure, it won’t bring nearly the same returns as putting the same amount of money in India. For a country to copy something is also far cheaper than to develop it. South Korea was able to develop quickly but they didn’t have to reinvent the wheel so to speak and spend billions on developing the internet. You are 100% correct. China does not have the institutions (like a functioning legal system) that is necessary to develop the whole country and to promote growth in the long run as you pointed out.

          Even though the Middle East is rich in oil, they will not offer a serious challenge either. While there has been modest development in some places, and some serious leaps forward funded by petro-dollars in a few oases of growth, they have fallen further behind many parts of the planet in the last half century or so. Minus oil revenue, tiny Israel owns a larger share of the economy than the other 22 Arab countries. I think many of the worlds’ Moslems have been unable to reconcile themselves with modernity and particularly cannot come to grips with the increasing weakness of the Arab and Moslem world vis à vis other areas of growth. It is much easier to lash out at random cartoonists or Israel or the west and blame them for a lack of development in the Middle East than to face some uncomfortable facts. For example, I read recently that a smidge over 1/5th of all Tunisians have never read a book. Literacy for women hovers at around 50% across the board in Arab countries. When I visited Morocco last summer, I could see first hand the lack of development and education. Some people I met where quite westernized in most respects. They could speak English and French as well as high Arabic which was a sign of education. Especially French is important because it is the language of the University system. Many people I met could speak practically no French. This was a sign that their education stopped when they were about 12 or 13. I was even more surprised that many people could not speak high Arabic; many only spoke the local dialect which is not mutually intelligible with high Arabic, or they spoke only Berber. Imagine this situation which really happened. I went to one of the small markets to purchase a tajine. I was standing roughly 20 metres from a small Mosque. I was the only one in the immediate area that could speak high Arabic (albeit I must admit rather poorly.) I had to make my purchase with hand signs. Another article I read recently mentioned that Arab media does not devote nearly as much space to business matters that you find in the west. The reason was that there were not enough people who could understand it. Those that understood the business side of things were often well educated and could just get this info from French, British, or American press.

          Returning back to this post, it is clear that many of the people in this room supported Vilks’ fatwa. They were incensed and angry over his depiction of their prophet in an unflattering way. When will they be as angry over the lack of literacy and development in their own countries? When will you see someone who is angry enough to take to the streets because half of the women in their country cannot read? The truth is, many countries use the west as a release valve for anger in their country, lest this anger be properly directed at the despotic systems in which they live. They can hate Israel for leaping ahead of them in development, but apparently there is no introspection with regards to why things are the way they are.

    • K.T.

      I don’t suppose anyone remembers the 1980s when the prediction was Japan would own most of the commercial real estate in the US?

      And now the predictions of China owning the US lock stock and barrel?

      We shall see…

  32. 32. tanstaafl

    Like I said, no country in the world can match the US for senseless violence of all kinds, religious to race-based to financially-motivated.

    I guess you’re just not very familiar with the history of the 20th century, GG.

    20th Century Democide

    I will, however, grant you that the United States becoming progressively economically beholden to China is a very bad idea.

  33. 33. Fatwa Butthead

    I, Fatwa Butthead, declare you a big poopy brain. If Mohammed wanted to have the sex with the dead woman, who are you to say no?

  34. 34. Gordbillybob

    I wish MMA was bigger in Muslim countries……….

  35. 35. RebeccaH

    Is anybody else as sick of Islamic bullying as I am?

  36. Leftism is more evil than Islam, if you quantify evil, by the cause of innocent life taken. The difference between Muslims and Leftists, is that Muslims commit suicide, while murdering innocents. Leftists DRIVE US to suicide.

    Leftists are not outraged by evil. They CHEER for it.

    All an evil person is, is someone who grew physically. My moniker is from one of these cretins, who screeched at me on a blog a bit ago.

    Please check my website for this post..Emotionally and Mentally Challenged 3rd Grader Hank Johnson…D, GA Li’l Hankie is afwaid that Guam is going to capsize, as the Navy deposits our military men and women there, as we RUN AWAY from evil, yet again.

    Please think of all the Democrat men(sic.) Billie Moyers, Hairless Reid, Metro John Effing Kerry, Howeird Dean…I HATE REPUBLICANS AND ALL THEY STAND FOR! Pseudo intellectual, condescending, priapic(Bypass Bill and John Edwards) sissy boys, all. Hell, they named themselves, FLOWER CHILDREN!

    http://www.dadi.org/hysteria.htm

    While Narcissism seeks to kill the G-d of our forebearers, Hysterical Feminism seeks to kill the cultural traditions of millenia. Both are goals that rival Genesis, and yet both are succeeding. From clinical experience I have learned, never underestimate the power and determination of pathology. Remember Faust.

    As with most personality disorders, the diagnostic hallmarks of the histrionic are the evolved childish protections against the knock, knock (or Tick, Tock) of anxiety and maturation. They are the protection against the universal impulse for union and procreation. The monster under the bed has been displaced by anything which smacks of the “masculine”. The anxiety of becoming a responsible parent has been displaced by the eraser of abortion – the power to kill responsibility. The need for security has been replaced with the demand for government entitlement (another person’s money) without having to struggle with human reciprocity. I am woman, just hear me roar!

  37. Leftists aren’t upset by atrocities, committed by evil people. Fighting back is evil to a Leftist.

    Warning, unbelievable savagery depicted in this link. White genocide, by Communist South Africans. Robert Mugabe calls his little blood bath…Land Reform.

    http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/where-is-the-outcry-from-hollywood-celebrities-for-a-boycott-of-south-africa-now/

    Evil is a mental illness called, Narcissism, Borderline Personality Disorder, Cluster B, et al.

  38. 38. Delia

    It’s my birthday today. Let freedom ring. Let light shine in the darkness.

    Let God speak to your soul.

    Smile. God loves us all so much.

    We are so fortunate in so many ways in the Western world.

    I feel sorry for many people still living in primitive religions. It’s effed up.

    How do we help these people to see that their plastic keys to heaven
    are evil and wrong?

    We can’t even educate our own!

    A person is a human being.

    A Muslim is a person.

    Islam is evil.

    It’s time to teach.

  39. 39. Gould's Ghost

    Is anybody else as sick of Islamic bullying as I am?

    What an idiot. We have military bases and/or give aid to unrepresentative dictatorships in more Islamic countries than I can count. This is truly an impressive level of ignorance; you could almost be said to live on another planet, one the sole communication of which arrives from brain-dead columnists on PJM.

    • Do you have any kind of facts to bring to the discussion or do you just come here to practice playground bully style ad hominem attacks? I just browsed through the thread and you haven’t really provided anything of value to the conversation. I have a very low amount of patience for people who are in love with the idea of Europe but in the dark about the reality of Europe. Judging by some of your comments, such as saying that America is behind Europe because of sports riots, I can see that you don’t have any real hands on experience with Europe.

      Why do you think then that your glaring lack of experience with regards to Europe should give you the right to come here and abuse people for not thinking the same way you do?

    • Delia

      Tell me how you feel about Gays, Jews and Women and get back to me.

      You’re a lie teller because if you accept Gays, Jews and Women as EQUALS you can’t be a Muslim. Period.

    • “We have military bases and/or give aid to unrepresentative dictatorships in more Islamic countries than I can count.”

      Since you are opposed to supporting unrepresentative dictatorships in the Middle East, I suppose you supported the ousting of Saddam Hussein and the installation of the current democratic regime.

      Welcome to the 100 club again, Zombie. Your articles never fail to bring out plenty of interest and always rack up lots of responses; it even brings out the same troll with a different name each time. Thanks for the interesting post.

      • Mr. Lucky

        Jacob (We Are Government) -

        Yes, Gould’s Ghost is a latest incarnation. Note that skeeziks is one and the same as this point in time.

        I’ve been reading PJM for well over a year now and I estimate that 90% of the anti-conservative comments come from this one source. There have been around 20 or so identifiable IDs in that time period. Then there are the one off IDs. These can be “extreme right wing” comments, and usually they are right at the top of the comments list. Something very nasty and irrational, and attention getting. There will also be one off IDs that engage in back and forth approval with the dominant ID of the moment.

        On only one occasion has there been a denial of misidentification of an ID. That denial was blown, as it provided evidence to the contrary. Other than that, it never denies that it is that other ID brought into question.

        The style undergoes superficial change, but the cadence, attitude and wording remain the same. This is by design, because getting attention is the goal. It wants you to know who it is. Look at articles about muslims, violence involving blacks and anything mentioning Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck, and it usually pops up there. And the classic misdirection ploy. This is a used almost exclusively.

        Politics mean nothing – attention is everything. It claims to be on a mission to “educate” conservatives, but this just more BS window dressing.

        Answering in a rational fashion goes nowhere because as Rand (and many others) have pointed out, you cannot reason with irrationality.

        PJM at some point started blocking this source on a regular basis. By it’s own admission, about 1 in 100 of its comments were getting through. There have been instances of posted begging to PJM moderators to please let its comments through (which have been rejected), to please let them be reconsidered for posting. This does tell you something.

        As result of the blocking and ID outing this source has become much more tame, and has even appeared to reconsider its bigoted attitude somewhat. You don’t see “toothless hillbilly” anymore.

        Who says you can’t teach a Modern Liberal new tricks?

        • I saw where you pointed out that some of these posters were the same people. I went back and looked at a few of the names that didn’t ring a bell and I think you are right. Ironically, on this education mission, this troll seems to make the same writing mistakes as well i.e. country’s instead of countries etc. You are also right that it is hard to argue rationally with people like that. People who later see the argumentation involved may be convinced, but Gould’s troll certainly won’t. To be honest, the “le Grouche” posts under the last Zombie article on Mohammed were just downright embarrassing. The poor guy didn’t realize how incredibly foolish he looked and yet kept coming. One thing I’ve noticed about the left is that they are always looking for a so called “silver bullet”: that one sentence that can invalidate well-reasoned arguments by conservatives. But let’s just be honest with ourselves. Anyone, who responds to an article about an Islamist attack on a cartoonist by arguing that America is worse because of sport riots is woefully unprepared to talk about international politics. I had only heard of one such riot in the US in my entire life before I moved to Europe. Hundreds of riot police have to monitor every soccer match here for fears of violence and hooliganism. Often, these hooligan groups are affiliated with extremist political movements, such as the ultra-leftist antifa of neo-nazi groups. Anyone who thinks American sports have a problem and European sports do not has obviously travelled very little and thought even less.

    • Donna V.

      Oh, yeah, mushhead, those Muslims in the video are rioting because of US military bases, I’m sure.

      This is truly an impressive level of ignorance; you could almost be said to live on another planet: right back at ya, Gould/moho/javelin/sad, slavish little tool.

  40. 40. kevkanada

    Well I hate Islam. It’s proven over the last decades to be a rather immature religion that it’s followers get all hot and bothered if you give the slightest criticism at all. But they have no problem in telling the world especially the USA that it is so wrong and that it is waging a war on Islam. This type of paranoia is dangerous as they are working themselves into a frenzy and as it gets studied more they get more and more paranoid and inherently dangerous.
    I wish these idiots would just dry up and blow away but really folks one day in the future we will have to deal with a jihad that will be forced upon us by these idiots. When moderate muslims say nothing about the bad behaviour of their more zealot followers we will have a situation just like when regular Germans said nothing about the growing sense of nationalism in the 1930s which let Hitler become so powerful. Islam is our next Nazism to fight. Be warned.

  41. 41. Berlet98

    The War in Our Streets, Part One

    There’s very definitely a war in progress on America’s streets, a number of wars, really.

    Some could be termed skirmishes such as the ongoing war against crime, particularly in our cities and more particularly within our inner cities where minorities continue to commit mayhem and murder almost with impunity.

    Another is a more recent series of battles involving patriotic and God-fearing Americans who cherish our country and who dearly hope for its survival in the face of an invasion across our southern, swiss cheese-y border.

    As serious as those struggles are, the most dangerous at the moment is the war that our commander-in-chief refuses to concede even exists, the war against Islamic terrorism.

    The title of a Pat Buchanan article, “Is the War Coming Home?” poses what must be a rhetorical question since surely Buchanan is well aware that the undeclared war with Islam “came home” years before the unsuccessful effort to murder thousands in Times Square on May 1st. . .
    (Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1680)

  42. 42. Dave Surls

    “What an idiot. We have military bases and/or give aid to unrepresentative dictatorships in more Islamic countries than I can count.”

    Sweden has bases in the middle east, and that’s why a Swedish cartoonist got headbutted? Who knew?

    Obviously, you’re the one who’s the idiot, since this incident of Muslim bullying obviously had nothing to do with what you’re babbling about.

    Anyway, typical liberal complaint. The liberals set up all these deals with the Saudis, the Shah of Iran, pour billions into Egypt, build military bases all over the world, etc., etc., and then we have to listen to other liberals complain about it for the next umpteen decades, as if it was someone else’s responsibility.

  43. 43. meshuga mikey

    yes there IS a Piss Mohammad

    http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab284/visagitprop/pizzmo.jpg

  44. you just have to get used to modern art to appreciate the beauty of it .`-

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