Growing up in a political family is an awful lot of fun, with the accent sometimes on the word
Can an entire party be impeached for poor taste?
Can the other party be scorned for cowardice?
Yes, and yes. Damned if this country doesn’t need alternatives.
Unfortunately, I think the “This one’s for Paul” tactic is going to work quite well, poor taste or no. As long as enough people vote for emotionally manipulative crap like this, all politicians will use it, regardless of party. The whores are us, as ol’ PJ would say.
Now, maybe I’ll be pleasantly suprised by the good folks in Minnesota, but I sure ain’t holding my breath. I have little faith in the voting public. I guess I’m getting cynical and jaded in my old age, but considering the poll choices I’m looking at, can you blame me?
100% agreement Steve.
For an interesting comparison, look at these photos:
Clinton / Mondale
The first is Clinton and Mondale laughing it up like frat brothers. The second is Gov. (no respect) Ventura.
Tell me who looks more dignified, professional and genuine.
I know that voters ought to be smarter than to allow themselves to be manipulated like this.
But will they?
Well said. It was a commercial free, all local stations, over the top pep rally for the democrats here in Minnesota. Beyond bad taste.
I read Lott and Ventura walked out. Good for them. A speaker was actually calling out Republican senators and members of congress and telling them to support the democrats
The tv and radio stations are getting a lot of heat for their coverage of it. I think it is the last time they do that.
The sympathy vote effect will likely ensure a democratic sweep here in Minnesota. The “memorial” last night was a direct plea for that vote.
Last night’s rally was the most nakedly political “memorial” that I have ever seen.
Nakedly political. Embarassing. Opportunistic. Unruly. For long stretches it was breathlessly hysterical in shouting out the extremist Liberal mantra. Ultimately it was without much substance.
Wait a minute – in fact as a memorial to Paul Wellstone – it could not have been more fitting.
Ooo, I’m gonna send you my secret recipe for pork chops. I mean SECRET. You’ll love it.
I find the comparison with the Roman Empire very appropriate, since it was common for Romans to kill Senators for political convenience.
Yep, Ventura walked out of the rally with his wife, both “shaking their heads.” It’s funny how Wellstone’s death has forced me to reassess two of its politicians: Wellstone’s admirable candor is now unobscured by his otherwise crackpot, failed philosophies; and Ventura, who I’d long dismissed as a cheap populist, simply did the right thing last night.
At the same time, it reenforces my distaste for the party capitalizing on Minnesota’s grief. What the Democrats have done to a fellow, though, should come to no surprise. Remember how they worked to squish Al Gore and use him to lube their machine when he finally ran out of legal options in Florida? The Democrats never fail to make themselves out as cannibals.
It was the most craven, tactless thing I have ever witnessed. Over at the Daily Kos they are hyperventilating over how wonderful it was.
It was a political rally, not a memorial. There will be a backlash.
You know, I am so disgusted by Democrats that I am just starting to sound like a broken record. They just continue to appal me.
Eulogy for Wellstone
(Daschellus Caesar, Act III, Scene 2)
Friends, Democrats, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come not to bury Wellstone, but to endorse Mondale.
The elections that men win live after them;
The ones they lose are oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Wellstone.
Our party is nothing if not ambitious:
If it were to lose control of the Senate, would be a grievous fault,
And grievously Wellstone trailed in the polls.
Here, under leave of Clinton and the rest–
For Clinton is an honourable man;
Clinton, Kennedy, McAuliffe, Lautenberg;
So are they all, all honourable men (ha ha!)–
Let this not be Wellstone’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But internal polling data says he was going to lose;
And winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.
No, therefore, let us rally for Mondale, his successor,
And bring him great victory.
He hath proposed the taxes greatly to increase
Whose ransoms will the general coffers fill:
When that the special interests have cried,
Mondale hath wept with them:
Is this not how the game is played?
Ambition should be made of stern stuff:
And, brother, are we ever ambitious;
Daschle is an honourable man.
You all did see that on C-SPAN
Jim Jeffords presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did did not refuse: now that is ambition, baby!
Yet Daschle says he is not ambitious (who doth he fool?);
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to eulogize poor, dead Wellstone,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You want to keep control of the Senate, right?
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for Wellstone
When you can be out working for a Mondale victory!
Bag the funeral and let’s have a rally!
My heart is not in the coffin there with Wellstone,
For I must vote early and often for Mondale.
(Apologies to the Immortal Bard)
I understand your anger at the event, but, it seems to fit right in with the spirit of the times. I haven’t been to Minny in years but, where I am at (Chicago, Indiana and New Jersey) the “electorate” doesn’t seem to care about much else than winning, whatever tactics you have to use. It doesn’t really matter as long as you win (insert lame football analogy here). On one level it “yeah that tactic was way over the top” on another level its “damn that should stick it to (name the opposition).” I don’t really have any suggestions on how to make it better. Sorry.
With all due respect to the Poet, one must keep in mind that Wellstone was leading in the polls two weeks ago. But let’s not let the facts get in the way of a good stab at the Dems. From the Mpls Star-Tribune:
Wellstone’s likely replacement on the ballot, former Vice President Walter Mondale, leads Republican Norm Coleman by 47 to 39 percent — close to where the race stood two weeks ago when Wellstone led Coleman 47 to 41 percent.
Apart from that, I agree that the service quickly turned into a rally, and that it was in terribly bad taste. Those who think that such bad acts are strictly a Democratic failing are, however, deluding themselves.
And if you think that “Diamond” Norm Quim^H^H^H^H Coleman is a paragon of virtue, I suggest you take a closer look at his record. Minnesota is left with the same set of poor options that led us to elect Ventura as the least of three evils. I’m just mad that Tim Penny has slipped so far in the polls. It would be nice to have a party represent the center for once.
hawkish, thank you for those pictures. remember, tho, that ventura is a man, not a politician.
Ah, Tonya, you are so right. Ventura showed in that brief moment more raw leadership, more dignity, and more humanity than many politicians show in a lifetime.
But those pictures do speak a thousand words.
The guy on my AM radio talk show today had a good point:
With the over the top coverage by the liberal media, this “event” basically resulted in the Democrats getting tens of millions of dollars of free air time for their cause. Free of campain finance restrictions; free of topical limitations; free of any opportunity by the other side for rebuttal.
And they knew it.
I have never seen such a gleeful group of despots as these Democrats dancing upon the grave of a fallen colleague. It is only more disconcerting that he probably would have wanted it this way.
I am ashamed to have been registered as such for so many years.
It was way over the top and I think/hope that the people who are voting will be as disgusted as I was and send Fritz back to the farm.
It’s depressing to think that Minnesota voters are almost certainly not going to hold the Democrat party to account for them. I thought New Jersey voters’ going along with the shennanigans out there would be the worst spectacle this election cycle. How naive of me.
And there’s still almost a week left!
You said it perfectly, Stephen. Thanks.
Obviously, anyone who participates in a forum such as this has an intense interest in politics, but I cannot express the depth of my contempt for people, Democrat or Republican, who believe that politics is EVERYTHING, and produce such atrocities as what happened in Minnesota last night. My sense of Wellstone was that he was a strident partisan, but one with an adult perspective on life. I didn’y know him personally, so my impression could be incorrect. There is no doubt, however, about what sort of people participated in last night’s political rally, and they really are beneath contempt.
I’m a registered independent (a pox on both their houses) and all I can say is that if the RNC doesn’t take this and the outright fraud in Jersey and ride for the gold with it they don’t deserve to be a political party. Are the dimocrats the only ones that can impersonate feces-flinging primates and make it work?
‘A republic, if you can keep it.’ Why does ole Ben ‘lightning rod’ Franklin keep gettin smarter?
I don’t see anything wrong with a family making whatever it likes out of a memorial service or a funeral. Some people turn them into tributes to the deceased; some people turn them into religious services that attempt to convert the mourners (if they aren’t already of that faith); apparently some people turn them into political rallies. A funeral service is for the the surviving family, not necessarily other mourners, and the family chose the service they would take most comfort from.
How arrogant you all are for criticizing how anyone chooses to deal with their personal grief.
I heard NPR’s coverage of the Wellstone memorial service/rally when I got up this morning. The first thing that came to my mind was that this is just like the funerals Hamas, Fatah and the other nutcases put on whenever a militant, or unlucky civilian gets in the way of an Israeli bullet. Am I the only one?
When politics get this intense it really makes me wish we did not have political parties. I remember reading or hearing, while in school, that our founding fathers were completely opposed to political parties. I personally think both parties have become havens for the morally backrupt, but financially weathy. The only problem is, people like to have that easy out – strait dem or strait rep vote. I do not know anyone in real life who agrees with all the tenents of either party.
Having said that, I hope this sort of garbage gives the Republicans the edge they need to take control of congress.
I think it’s perfectly appropriate to single out Republicans in the memorial audience and ask them to change to Democrats for Paul’s sake. I just don’t think they went far enough. Since Wellstone was Jewish, I think the speaker should have insisted that the Republicans, if Christian, change faiths as well; they should have their foreskins reattached and ritually removed. Out of respect.
Bris for Paul! Bris for Paul! Bris for Paul!
Lileks just made me spurt my coffee across my desk. Kris needs to figure out why he thinks that people might need to use despicable campaign tactics to “deal with their grief”.
The earlier comment by Kris Hasson-Jones is absurd. There was no mourning last night. There was no grief. There were a bunch of opportunists who turned what should have been a tribute to the dead into a shameless political rally. Lets just hope that there is enough disgust among democrats in Minnesota for them to do the right thing on Nov 5th and vote Republican.
Thank you Stephen. Like you I was sick to my stomach watching that event. A couple of points for you and your commenters tho- Rather than condemn we Republicans for being pussies before we even have a chance to be pussies on this “eulogy”, why not send a message of your own. Get off your godamn holier than thou fence, register Republican, breath some life into this party and stand up and be counted. Sitting around like a bunch of fucking yentas putting a pox on both houses when its obvious as hell where the uncivilized cretans reside is nothing less than self-indulgence of the worst sort. Reminds me of the fucking French!
On a more sober note. This eulogy may, just may offer Coleman and the GOP a chance to garner some well earned Minnesotan backlash to this event and actually win the damn race. This entails broadcasting all the sincere, heartfelt love and affection for Wellstone himself and taking an axe to the politicos who besmirched his memory with that sickening display. Jesse get out there! Of course this means exploiting for political advantage Wellstone’s own eulogy, but is there really any other way to educate today’s Democrats and their and our children on civilized conduct.
Sheila, how do you know there was no mourning? It could be taking place inside, and the external expression is in the form of a political rally. Or it could be that the family thought the best way to deal with their grief (or assuage their survivor guilt) was to continue the political goals and programs of the deceased; it would hardly be the first time this happened following an unexpected death.
Robin, I don’t need to figure out anything; the absurdities people express during grief are amazing and widespread. Not everyone’s grief looks alike.
Taking advantage of *anything*, including a death, to pursue an agenda is a completely understandable human behavior. While I personally find many people’s expressions of grief in bad taste (for example, the piling of flowers and stuffed animals at death sites really squicks me), I don’t find what’s happening here (politicizing the funeral, ad hominem attacks based on the bad taste of the mourners used to prove how awful their politics are) any different from what happened *at* the funeral.
Kinda hope the Republicans get ahold of all the branches of government. Then who will they blame when the shit from their misguided policies hits the fan…?
The ONLY reason these politicos were at the “memorial service” was to advance their political agenda, not to mourn Wellstone or to help the family mourn. How blind does one have to be to understand that this was opportunism run mad? I hope it backfires, that Ventura appoints Tim Penny to the open seat, that all Penny’s voters in the gubernatorial race go to Pawlenty and that Mondale goes down to an inglorious defeat courtesy of Klintoon and Democratic indecency.
I see dead people. I have seen dead Democrats voting. I have even seen dead Democrats elected. Now I see the dead Democrat Wellstone campaigning for the near dead Democrat Mondale. I see dead people everywhere. Please make it stop.
“Or it could be that the family thought the best way to deal with their grief (or assuage their survivor guilt) was to continue the political goals and programs of the deceased; it would hardly be the first time this happened following an unexpected death.”
At the actual memorial service? Examples? And please include all the times people from opposite political parties were jeered by the attendees merely for showing up.
Kris – aside from everything else you’ve said, I’m almost certain that Tardshrines do not “squick” you. See alt.tasteless for what that really means.
I don’t think anyone here is politicizing the funeral, just commenting on what appears to be extraordinarily tasteless behavior on the part of a large number of leading Democrats. Ad hominem attacks are logically fallacious if you’re talking about someone’s ideas, but when you’re talking about their personal character, just what else is there but their actions?
Bizarrely Kris tries to take a concept that aptly applies to spontaneous comments and actions are funerals and applies it to what was not a spontaneous event. This is absurd in the extreme.
The people that participated in last night’s grotesque circus may have introduced a new tradition, perhaps one that Kris enjoys; booing people that show up to pay respect. This may add a whole new dimension to the mortuary business.
Funny, I always thought that Minnesota memorial services were restricted to covered hot plates and never got more emotional than “dat’s a real shame ya know.” But hey, no big whoop if you subscribe to the old Lefty canard that the personal is the political. When life hands you lemons, why not make lemonade?
In fact, I think the DFL should have tossed the Wellstones into the mourner’s mosh pit for some hand-surfing. Then they should have trotted the corpses down to the DMV – ‘Weekend at Bernies’ style – and register them to vote under the Motor Voter act. Wheel them around to union hall rubber chicken fundraisers for photo ops. Use the coffin for Mondale’s debate podium. Finally, on election day, have a big TV funeral pyre with Florida hanging chads.
I’m sure Paul would have wanted it that way.
Will Allen demonstrates ably the kind of ad hominem attack I was decrying, by suggesting that I enjoy booing people who show up at a funeral. Based on what, I ask? I never supported what happened at Wellstone’s funeral, I just don’t think it’s out of the ordinary behavior for grieving people. I’ve been to a funeral at which I was not welcome, despite the fact that I truly mourned the deceased, and the family treated me poorly. So what? They were grieving, and I intruded on that grief. Acting out their emotions by taking them out on me seems reasonable and understandable, and certainly forgivable.
Robin Roberts thinks my opinion is absurd; it’s not as absurd as going to my grandfather’s funeral to find my grandmother attempting to convert us all to her religion (through the service chosen), without a single mention of my grandfather, in spite of the fact that he was not a member of that religion. People do strange things when they’re grieving, including use the funeral to promote an agenda.
Devilbunny–despite that definition, squick is used in many usenet groups in a commonplace fashion to mean “grosses me out” or “turns me off.” This meaning is probably derived from the definition you reference.
So, you’re all outraged, and you’re shocked and dismayed that I’m not, and in fact that I find your outrage exaggerated. Think of it this way: did you really expect better from members of the Democratic Party? Because I sure didn’t.
dave burge: That’s covered “hotdish.”
Does anyone seriously think that if the shoe were on the other foot (dead Republican candidate) the memorial service would have been less partisan? If so, what color is the sky on your world….?
Dave Hinrich: My bad. As a native Iowan I am not fully versed in the exotic jargon of Minnesota Lutheran church basement culture.
One other thing – I meant to ask:
“When life gives you cadavers, why not make cadaverade?”
Kris H-J, give it up. You’re trying to defend something that’s indefensible. What the DFL did was in horribly bad taste. Any half-civilized person can see that, but some folks can’t admit it because it would mean admiting their precious party not only did the wrong thing, but had the wrong motives too.
Hey, the DFL was already filing suit in Minnesota over the absentee ballots before the echoes from the Boo-a-Rebuplican-For-Poor-Paul moment had died down. But we shouldn’t criticize them, shouldn’t say they’re politicizing a tradgedy. Oh no, that would be partisan.
Hell, if the Dems didn’t politicize tradgedies, they wouldn’t have a platform. Sometimes they even have to make up tradgedies (the church burnings, global warming, etc.) when the polls are really down for ‘em.
As far as whether the Republicans would turn a funeral into an occasion for a pep rally, here’s their most recent opportunity:
AP Report of Barry Goldwater memorial service, June 1998
Oddly, it has no mention of beach balls, fist pumping, or exhortations to ‘Win For Barry!’ The story also neglects to say if Bruce Babbitt (then SecInterior) was booed during his eulogy,
Well, actually, when Republican Senator Paul Coverdale of Georgia died, this didn’t happen at the memorial service. And the Governor of Georgia ungraciously replaced an elected Republican with a selected Democrat. Imagine the howling now if Jesse replaces Wellstone with a Republican, even if only for a few weeks.
The sky in my world is gray today, though I especially enjoy the deep blue ones most of all. So, what it the atmosphere like on your planet?
Guys, get a grip. Neither of the Republican memorials were for a CANDIDATE ONE WEEK BEFORE AN ELECTION. See the difference? Or is your myopia acting up again….?
Only Dems could ring Wally Mondale’s phone off the hook, shun the Veep and boo the MinLeader, hold a bash in place of a memorial, and accuse the GOP of playing politics.
So Senator Wellstone’s memorial service (not funeral, by the way, which was at Temple Israel in Minneapolis on Monday) was turned into a political rally. BUT WHAT THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT WOULD HAPPEN?!?! It’s politics, after all, and we’re a week away from a hotly contested election. Some people say that the rally will propel Mondale to victory, others that the opportunism will foment a backlash against him and that Coleman will win. But I dare say that any sympathy for the Republicans will evaporate if they choose to make an issue out of this rally, because it will make them appear simultaneously mean-spirited and naive.
Let’s see. Hypothetical situation for you. Norm Coleman, republican candidate dies in plane crash. Memorial service held. Bill Clinton attends, and his image is flashed on jumbo-tron. Republicans all politely sit on their hands. *SNORT* Sorry, pop just shot out my nose…..
Damn them both? Fuck you. If the surviving sons had wanted to have Mexican hookers on donkeys, good on them mate. Their Dad, their memorial service. End of story.
If there was a public spectacle for a dead Republican candidate, why would Bill Clinton be attending? He’d be told to do a Cheney, and go somewhere else for his face time.
Sure the boys could bring on the Mexican hookers, but that still doesn’t mean they are immune from criticism for being boorish opportunists. It takes a special skill for tackiness when the ex-pro wrestler shows the more class than the bereaved at your memorial service.
I do hope that Ventura really does chooses a non-Democrat for the open seat– as a reward for this insult, and to reward the Democrats as they tie up the election in the courts.
(And isn’t it interesting that the party of diversty has now twice turned to white retread party hacks to fill their vacancies? Can you imagine how much grief if the Republicans trotted out their hasbeens like Bob Dole or Dan Quayle in similar situations?)
“Civilization demands civility. Rome didn
“Damn those Republicans too cowardly to call them all on it.”
Dude, Trent Lott walked out. How much more could the Republicans have done. Yep, more should have walked out. They didn’t, and my guess is that it was out of respect for Wellstone, and not out of fear of his two double-club-footed sons.
Which makes the glaring difference between Democrats and Republicans even more, well, glaring, doesn’t it?
As for Lileks, is that the best you can do? Maybe you should stick to writing Indian food recipes.
What a blithely racist comment, Jim.
I suggest you re-read a little history — American and Roman.
I guess as long it is called a memorial service, anything goes, according to wtf**k. That reminds me of when Clinton called upon Jesse Jackson to be one of his “religious counselors” (presumably so Jackson could not be called before a Grand Jury). It just depends on what your definition of “is” is.
The Wellstone children have managed to have a memorial that will not easily be forgotten.
Question is, how will this affect voters nation-wide. Will they be disgusted or thrilled. Will it still be fresh enough in peoples minds on election day to get people off their butts? Enquiring minds want to know.
How will it affect voters? Here’s a clue…
Wellstone campaign chairman apologizes for service’s partisan tone
Behold another lefty innovation: the memorial ceremony that requires damage control.
Stephen – If you think that barbarism is soley a function of race, I’d say you are the one making racist comments. Cheers – Jim
Stehpen – Some details. I have or have had many immigrant friends – Iranian, Russian, Chinese, Pakistanis, Indians, and so on. On the other hand, I used to work for a couple of white Canadians who’s moral makeup turned out to be a cross between Terry McAuliffe and Idi Amin. They are scum and I was outraged when they became US citizens. (Their loyalty is not to the US).
The Russian I mentioned is the one person I would pick if I had to be in a foxhole with someone. He’ll be the first to say that many ‘Russian’ immigrants today are nothing more than criminals looking for a fast buck with no loyalty to the USA. That my friend, is barbarism in my book – Jim
Well said, Stephen.
And Jim, Stephen wasn’t the one who suggested that “barbarism is solely a function of race.” You were the one who brought race into the discussion by bringing up the entirely unrelated issue of immigration.
Do us all a favor and be germane to the topic. Or at the very least, get an education. It can’t hurt, and it might help.
Pejman – And nice to meet you too. So maybe between the two of you, a coherent thougth may be had. Where did the ‘barbarians’ that the Romans let in come from? I am sorry to point out that Aristotle talks in contradictions in his own lyceum but I was just looking for an honest answer to a sincere question – All the best (really) – Jim
The Western Roman Empire fell primarily to German barbarians, but a number of the later Emporers could easily be considered Barbarians as well.
It is one thing to say that there are Barbarians amung the Germans, and another to say that Germans are Barbarians.
Aristotle was probably using the Greek meaning of barbarian (anyone who does not speak Greek), which might be the root of the word but hardly the definition used these days.
While I’m not as cynical about republicans as Mr Green is, he does have one point—I think it IS an act of cowardice not calling the democrats on this one.
We really shouldn
they’re spinning a corpse! hahahahaha
but the sad thing is that the pack have had their killer instinct removed… well the kids are working on it… and we’ve got a really nasty group of pack supporters cooked up…
i love machiavelli… it’ll be nice to see how terry likes them apples in a few years!!!
and yeah stephen, the repubs were calling them on it.. all day today (see nro for it)
Does it occur to anyone, with the Mondale and Lautenberg selections, that the Democrats are grooming Jimmy Carter to run in ’04?
Mourning is and should be the family
1. The issue isn’t really what happened at the funeral so much as the fact that it was done on TV. If it’s going to be televised, most people expect a fairly sedate event, on the order of a state funeral with people wearing black, little American flags, a priest/rabbi/imam delivering a sermon, and the victim being lowered into the ground or their ashes being interred.
2. Does this remind anyone of former Commerce Secretary Ron Brown’s funeral during Clinton’s term? You saw him laughing it up with some friends until one pointed out that they were on camera, and Clinton abruptly put on his frowny face and looked mournful.
Hello Stephen / Pejman:
Jim’s question may well be off-topic; however, implying that he is an uneducated racist when his question contains NOTHING about race is unnecessarily dismissive and hostile. He is asking how a statement made in this post reconciles with a statement made in another. Whether you choose to answer him or not, please show him the courtesy of not smearing his character. Thanks, Rob
Funny, I wasn’t going to read this, I was appalled at the spectacle, of which I only watched C-Span snippets. I am more moved by your own memories of what brought you to the point you are. Having grown up with a similar background, at least in politics being the gist of dinner discussions, including holidays, we cannot allow the current times, (er, 20 years is a long time for current, but you know what I mean), discourage us from exposing future generations of the ‘possibilities’ which are our heritage. Keep up the fight, I loved the link to Presidential Scholars, wish they had something for middle school. I teach my classes the “We the People” program. http://www.civiced.org Really worthwhile.
Thanks for the show of simple decency. I’m afraid that Stephen, like a lot of people, thinks libertarian poses are cool but cannot walk the walk.
It was off-topic, but I ask, what does “Rome didn
This over-the-top reaction from the right to a memorial service is such a joke. I watched an hour of this service, and it was clearly a very emotional night for the speakers that I saw. I did not see the guy who exhorted Republicans present to vote Democratic. I have to agree that this man’s response to the stress of losing one of his best friends was in poor taste, but WTF! It’s a freaking memorial! There is almost ALWAYS a speaker at any memorial who says something off-the-wall or objectionable to some people present at the service. Frankly, adults just shake off that feeling of being slighted by the speaker, and write it off to extreme grief. I mean, most people just shrug and say, “That was lame, but this guy is not why I came to the service”.
Which is why Ventura’s act is so lame. He was going to appoint a Democrat in Wellstone’s place, but changed his mind because of a stupid memorial service? Then he bullshits that he was a SEAL, and SEALs don’t like to be messed with. What kind of fantasy world is he living in? Everyone knows he was never a SEAL, he was a UDT (ask a real SEAL, they will tell you there is a huge difference).
Maybe the right should examine why they felt nauseous watching the service. Could it be because the men and women being eulogized were Democrats? Do you also feel a little sick when you watch a speech from Al Gore, Tom Daschle, Ted Kennedy, or Pat Leahy? I suspect that the bile in your throats was there before the memorial service for Wellstone.
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