Here's another version, that closely parallels your comment. Listen here: http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/

A suspect who surrenders and puts his hands in the air should not be shot at any further, if he obeys the Police Officer from then on. Like "Get Down on your knees, lay flat on the ground with your arms and legs spread etc...). When all the facts come out, I hope that the Officer involved will be dealt with appropriately.

I am tired of hearing about "Good Black kids getting shot to death in the street like dogs by white people". One day that might even turn out to be true. Another "Good Black kid" (6ft plus, 300lbs, 18 year old adult) ,caught on video, committing a strong arm robbery (of a piddling box of cigars). If I had been the clerk, and he had robbed and attacked me that way, the Police Officer never would have had the chance to shoot him. The Officer would be calling the coroner and I'd be getting arrested.

Michael Brown may have been loved by family and friends.

But video shows he could also be a 300lb Bully who used force and the threat of further physical violence to get what he wanted.

Fact: If Michael hadn't stolen those cigars he would be alive today.

But instead of teaching our children to be better human beings, we teach them to hate and distrust the Police and White people.

You don't want to judge on a picture, and especially kids, but the claim that this was a good kid all ready to go to college in no way matches the pictures we've seen of the suspect. And the video, presuming it is indeed the same guy and I'd guess it is, doesn't really look like college prep work either. In fact we might want to see the drug screen on the suspect and maybe a little more of his history, none of which would be admissible in court but this ain't no court. I'm saying he looks stupid enough to have accosted the cop in a way that triggered excessive cop behavior as it often does. Then neither side is innocent, and one side is already "punished", and we tend to let things like that go, because otherwise they're just too hard. Ugly mess, is what I'm saying.

Im a conservative and i believe in law and order. I've always blindly supported the police. However, the Kelly Thomas killing happened in my community. After watching a 130lbs clearly mentally ill homeless guy begging for his dad while he was beat to death because he didn't have the faculties to sit on his hands, I can no longer give them the benefit of the doubt. It was all denials up to the chief until a video came out.

Our politicians will never fix this because public unions are their largest donors. The only solution is making our government fear us. I for one will never find a cop killer guilty if Im sitting on a jury.

Law works differently. It doesn't make others in the same profession accessories after the fact.

joesuburb - You "no longer give cops the benefit of a doubt." Fair enough.

You then finish with: "I for one will never find a cop killer guilty if Im sitting on a jury."

What a disgusting, evil, perverted position to take.

You condone killing cops, and will condone it no matter what, in any circumstances?

It is written: "With his mouth the godless destroys his neighbor,"
and also,
"Through the blessing of the upright a city is exalted, but by the mouth of the wicked it is destroyed."

Well said.

Going from " I've always blindly supported the police." (a profoundly stupid and arguably evil position) to " I for one will never find a cop killer guilty if Im sitting on a jury." (a profoundly stupid and unquestionably evil position) position is not making progress.

Los Angeles cops and sherifs have had several incidents in the last couple of years where they ended up shooting and killing various suspects for dubious reasons. Even worse in some ways is when they miss, like when about twenty cops emptied their weapons into a pickup truck containing two women delivering morning papers, because they mistook the truck for the one that might have been carrying the cop-killer Donner. Over a hundred bullets and - both women survived with minor injuries. Had another two-cop fatal fiesta just yesterday that sounds like excessive force and then excessive follow-up. And we know that cops lie like rugs, you CANNOT take what they say as gospel, and though the courts don't quite do that they do tend to favor the cop over the accused.

Cops have a tough job but that doesn't make them angels, and managing the mess so it works and doesn't run out of control is the toughest job of all.

Maybe Dunphy can weigh in. Do they actually teach police officers marksmanship? How about field tactics using their firearms - how and when to deploy them correctly? Because I keep hearing about incidents - one a couple of years ago in my area - in which cops basically empty their weapons at the suspect until he goes down. Stray bullets seem to go everywhere, and "center mass" doesn't seem to enter into it.

So I'd like to know: is "spray 'n' pray" standard police procedure? Are police officers, in fact, taught to empty their weapons at suspects? Is it like once the trigger is pulled, there's only one way it will end? What is actual police doctrine in this area?

"Do they actually teach police officers marksmanship? How about field tactics using their firearms - how and when to deploy them correctly?

is "spray 'n' pray" standard police procedure?"

Having taken firearms training from internationally recognized law enforcement trainers, the guys who train many of the trainers, I can tell you what I have learned from them:


1. Standard police doctrine is "shoot until the threat is neutralized". This is a good standard. Handguns aren't particular effective, Hollywood's nonsense notwithstanding. Shooting a lot is not necessarily a problem. "Double taps" are for the movies and wannabes.

2. Most departments do very little training. After their initial academy, annual qualification is about it. This, in most cases, is a highly unrealistic paper punching exercise. It does very little to prepare an officer for actual gunfighting.

3. MOST cops don't care even a little bit about learning to shoot well. What does "most" mean? 90%. Yes, 90% don't care. Don't shoot well, and don't care. They do just enough to meet their annual qualification. I have heard this same number from John Farnam, Dennis Tueller, Massad Ayoob, and numerous officers. That number will vary by department, of course. A rural department may have a much higher number. John Farnam opined that 5 % would be very optimistic for NYPD. But nationwide, 10% will make an effort to learn to shoot well. The rest JUST DON'T CARE, and in fact, they mock those who do make an effort to train on their own time. They get called "Rambo", etc. Also, the unions actively discourage officers from training on their own time and dime.


I can give you an anecdote from personal experience, which illustrates the mindest. Back in the days when cellular phones were installed in cars, I did that for a living. One customer was a motorcycle officer for Downey PD. He had a side business installing house security systems, and was very successful at it. He stayed on the PD because he enjoyed it, not because he needed to. (And yes, he'd been investigated due to his new Mercedes and very nice house!) His boots were the proverbial "I could shave using them for a mirror" spit polish.

His sidearm was rusty. RUSTY. I asked him about his ammo, and he replied indifferently, "I don't know. Some guy at the station loads it for me." (Professionals will tell you that handloads are NOT a good idea for serious social work.)

These are the people who are out there with sidearms, shotguns, and sometimes, automatic weapons who are constantly held up to us as being the "well trained professionals".

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LOL. The shooting was justified.

I know the still photos released so far are grainy, but that convenient store clerk/owner being robbed looked to me like Pakistani or Indian origin.

Remember VP Biden cracking ethnically toned deaf jokes of "You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent."???

Photos of Michael Brown manhandling the convenience store clerk inspire contempt, even outright hatred.

Here is "Big" Mike Brown, Jr. 6' 5', 290 lbs giving the world the one fingered salute on Drudge:

http://www.drudgereport.com/fm.jpg

Here is Big Mike throwing the Vice Lords gang sign:

http://viewpointsofasagittarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Michael-Brown-18-aka-Bigmike-Jr-Brown-Facebook-screenshot-560-px.jpg

What up, Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton? What up, muh fuhs? What up wif dat? Cat got ur tongue?

So the victim of the national tragedy Big Mike Brown and the eyewitness to the national tragedy Dorian Johnson both just robbed a convenience store moments before the national tragedy?

No, no , no! A White cop executed a wonderful , well behaved , gentle young man. Keep saying that over and over till you either believe it, or you vomit. That's what the left wants you to do.