Stunner: ‘The Security People Just All Ran Away’
From The Independent’s breaking story, which focuses on the U.S. failure to heed a 48-hour warning of threats to the embassy:
According to security sources the consulate had been given a “health check” in preparation for any violence connected to the 9/11 anniversary. In the event, the perimeter was breached within 15 minutes of an angry crowd starting to attack it at around 10pm on Tuesday night. There was, according to witnesses, little defence put up by the 30 or more local guards meant to protect the staff. Ali Fetori, a 59-year-old accountant who lives near by, said: “The security people just all ran away and the people in charge were the young men with guns and bombs.”
Wissam Buhmeid, the commander of the Tripoli government-sanctioned Libya’s Shield Brigade, effectively a police force for Benghazi, maintained that it was anger over the Mohamed video which made the guards abandon their post. “There were definitely people from the security forces who let the attack happen because they were themselves offended by the film; they would absolutely put their loyalty to the Prophet over the consulate. The deaths are all nothing compared to insulting the Prophet.”
Note he does not say: “They believe the deaths are all nothing … “, I take it from Buhmeid’s wording that he agrees.
No matter though, the statement is a farce. If the guards hold this belief, that they would just as soon turn their guns on the embassy should an American utter a blasphemy, then the Americans would have been dead long ago. (The existence of the embassy itself could be construed as blasphemy!) The film would not have been the final straw for all 30 guards at once, at the proper time for the start of the attempted breach.
The guards were involved with the raid. They left their posts on the signal. Say something about this act of war, President Obama — as the alliance with al-Qaeda elements in Libya was your decision, your folly. You extended a hand, foolishly, and they took the whole body.
Sandmonkey, a PJ Media contact in Egypt, tweeted the following earlier today. I told him I wasn’t ready to buy it yet, but if this is how events occurred in Benghazi, I am certain he sources are good regarding what happened in Cairo:
.@shadihamid @robertdanin @tobycraigjones My contacts within the embassy confirm that all security vanished 4 pm before the demos started.
— السيد مانكي (@Sandmonkey) September 13, 2012
– Allah rot good men.
Of course they ran away. Muslims aren’t about to fight other Muslims for Infidels. Not if it’s very risky anyway even if the pay is high.
Which makes using locals for security a fool’s errand. This one is all on Obama – Bush had nothing to do with it Zero – all on you dipstick.
It is impossible to quantify how deeply embedded Barack HUSSEIN Obama is in the events which are exploding ALL over the Middle East.
While no one can state exactly, he did ‘this or that’, but those who follow geo-politics predicted ‘this or that’ was likely to happen.
I did.
When the goal is to light the Middle East on fire, all in order to give a leg up to the Muslim Mafia, then certain events are sure to follow. In addition, every bit of chaos surrounds Israel in the long-run, and that is part of the Islamist-in-Chief’s plan too.
Actually, a Pyromaniac-in-Chief!
Consider:
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/2012/08/27/every-alarm-bell-is-ringing-tying-barack-hussein-obama-to-the-muslim-brotherhood-huma-abedin-at-the-tippy-top-eye-popping-video-embedded-addendum-to-when-does-trucking-with-terrorists-brea/
/2012/09/02/grave-warnings-from-debka-intelligence-additional-betrayals-from-islamist-in-chief-addendum-tothe-penultimate-betrayal-to-israel-short-commentary-required-adina-kutnicki/
/2012/09/01/the-penultimate-betrayal-to-israel-its-chief-ally-courtesy-of-the-islamist-in-chief-addendum-to-us-general-strikes-again-dhimmifying-us-interests-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
I will stand with my Muslim brothers.
The guards were simply stressed out because of not being able to eat during the day during Ramadan.
It was all the fault of those who disrespect the Holy Qur’an and the Prophet.
I am also setting up a tent for free neck rubs and manly back massages. Muslims only, please.
So what is this, you are criticizing them that they didn’t bow first?
Never trust a Muslim if you value your life.
I ask again, “Why do we not have a force of heavily armed marines guarding our embassies and consulates in these nations?”
My understanding is that the Marines that were there were not allowed to have loaded weapons.
There were no Marines in Libya. At least in Iran in 1979 there were Marines.
Worse than Carter.
Shouldn’t you be attending security briefings at least in the days leading up to the Sept. 11 anniversary?
Marines and “diplomacy” are a tough combination.
Like Oil and Water.
The Official Mission Statement of a Marine Rifle squad is:
“To locate, close with, and destroy the enemy by fire and maneuver, or, to repel and enemy assault with fire and close combat”
It is NOT to “de-motivate” the aggressive the behavior’s of an angry mob and “calm” or “de-escalate” an explosive situation. Mobs need to KNOW, unequivocally, that Marines will utterly destroy them with gunfire and bayonets for the simple act of breaching the perimeter. Flags or no flags, weapons or no weapons, that MUST be a Red-Line that cannot be crossed without summary deadly force being applied, diplomacy be dammed
If allowed to, a mere handful of Marines would have gleefully “repelled the assault with fire and close combat” and ended both situations post haste. The negative fallout of any such actions are the concern of the Host Country that lost control of its “people”, not of the Embassy.
But Diplomats and Politicians no longer comprehend the Sovereignty of our Missions and Embassies, and too often capitulate to fears of “escalation” when it’s the OTHER SIDE that should (and legally does) bear responsibility.
Our moral obligations (should) end with a loud “HALT! Retreat or you WILL be fired upon!” before deadly force is employed…The Responsibility to avoid deadly violence is on the attackers, not the defenders.
Diplomats used to know this. They used to KNOW and TELL their hosts, that certain automatic summary actions are BEYOND THEIR DESCRETION TO OVERRULE, and thus any overt acts of intrusion by ANYONE will be met with deadly force….no matter how cordial or cooperative their relationship might be, or how “unresponsible” the Host, and their Apparatuses might be for the behavior of the “individuals” involved.
“Diplomacy” works only when that hard truth is understood, and respected.
So, hows that been working for us in the Middle East since 1979?
Security at US Embassies used to entail a platoon of US Marines with the regular compliment of small arms. The SOP was, any breach or the embasssy perimeter was to be met with small arms fire. How far we have strayed from ensuring the security of our embassies and staff, in the name of political correctness. Now any Marines on duty are not issued live ammunition, or we have hired locals to provide that security, locals who might be infiltrators from groups intent on causing harm. It seems that the security “professionals” managing the State Department’s Offfice of Security have either lost their critical thinking skills, or have also bowed down to the PC directives from above. In their estimation, better for them to keep their jobs than to actively pursue realistic security practices, that actually protect the embassy staff.
…and I keep asking myself why we have consulates in these countries. We need to stand back and stir the pot – one against the other and sell guns and ammo to both sides of a dispute. Where there is no dispute – make one. These idiots obviously have large ‘buttons’. Hit it right and you’ll set them off for years – against each other if you hit the right button.
Look, I think you are missing what you are seeing here with the Arab Spring.
What do you call it when believers are killing people in the name of their god? The answer is obvious. This is all pagent, just like the Aztex did hundreds of years ago, modern day Islam is doing the same thing.
From time to time, at regular intervals, Islam demands human sacrifice. It is part of the religion, it is part of their culture, and the sooner we accept this for what it is, the better off we all will be.
Islam demands human sacrifice. Isn’t that obvious from all this theater?
Are our leaders ever going to figure out that there is more than a little bit of treachery in the Muslim world? I mean how many of our soldiers need to be murdered by ‘trainees’ in Afghanistan? Are we really shocked that Osama was in a guarded compound near a Pakistani military facility? Now the native ‘guards’ fade away right before an attack by some of the groups we brought to power shortly before?
These same people support Muslim immigration to our country of course…
“The security people just all ran away and the people in charge were the young men with guns.”
Quiz: The Benghazi consulate, the US/Mexico border, or both?
They didn’t run away, they were protecting from behind.
Why are we putting our security in the hands of Libyans anyway?
This whole episode just stinks to high heaven.
I can just hear my tin hat friends now, with all this fodder for a conspiracy between our government and theirs.
No, I don’t believe there was coordination between our government and theirs, but nor do I believe for a second that this was merely a protest that got out of control. Several reports are indicating that after fleeing the embassy their safehouse was struck by suprisingly accurate mortar fire. Which ‘might’ suggest that the safehouse was a known fallback position and pre sighted prior to the arrival of the embassy staff…
Heavy weapons like rockets and mortars are not typically brought (and pre positoned) to a ‘peaceful’ protest. The more and more I hear the more it points to a planned military operation involving some knowledge of embassy proceedure, fallback locations, evacuation routes ect. Either they were being watched, they were sold out, or some combination of both.
The narrative being sold by many that this was a protest that got out of hand is crap. There are trained military personnel on both sides of this conflict, and to simply write off the enemy as an out of control mob just doesn’t pass the smell test. Too many people out there are much to willing to write off obvious signs of coordination as coincidence on the part of our attackers.
Thank God. An adult replied.
We are being feed lies. This has nothing to do with some vile movie. If vile movies were the problem, Hollywood would have been annihilated, just like Sodom and Gomorrah, decades ago. This was a coordinated military attack, in response to 9-11.
I expect our enemies to kill us. But our conduct is suicidal. There are honest loyal Libyans who warned us of an impeding attack 48 hours in advance. The Libyan guards left their posts, walked away, at 4 PM. The attack came at 10 PM. What was Ambassador Stevens doing in the interim? He emailed Washington hours before that he expected to die that day (It is reported that he was raped and tortured before he was murdered). What did Washington do? The supposedly secret safe house was instantly hit by accurate mortar fire. Who squealed?
Our State Department is incompetent. Our DoD is incompetent. Our intelligence agencies are incompetent. This is not a tragedy, an earthquake is a tragedy. This is gross incompetence, organizations which are failing basic duties. Executive heads should roll.
But nobody here that will roll them. Besides this was clearly Bush’s and Romney’s fault. This is the first administration to blame both their predecessor and their future successor for things that happen on their own watch.
I doubt that the tin hats can absorb something so logical once they buy into someone else’s theory full of drama and intrigue. I think they want to distinguish themselves by believing they have inside knowledge that us common folk don’t. I’ll just have to wait and see, the next unavoidable time we run into them.
Yup.
Th line from the Obama administration amounts to more lies to cover their election year a$$e$.
Visit a Russian embassy anywhere and you will notice one major difference between their embassies and ours. The Russians have never been dumb enough to allow their embassy security forces to be in the control of the locals. I would like to see the result of a Libyan mob attack on a Russian embassy. It wouldn’t be pretty and the Russians sure as hell wouldn’t be wringing their hands about it and saying ‘what did we do to cause this?”. It would be more like “where do you want the bodies dumped”. But then we must be more “civil” even if we look stupid as result.
Lebanon in the late 1970s and early 1980 experienced a rash of kidnappings of diplomatic personnel, including Americans. As reported years later, one day a group associated with a Shiite militia captured two Soviet diplomats. A day or so later Soviet security personnel captured two from that same Shiite group, killed them and left their mutilated bodies on the street with a note warning that two more would experience a similar fate every day until their diplomats were returned. Those diplomats *were* returned and that group never messed with the Soviets again. (Americans of course remained fair game.)
One just has to look back to 1983 and the bombing of the Marines in Beirut.
What did the US do, under the command of realist Baker and Weinberger?
Instead of trashing the nascent Iranian “foreign legion” in the Bekaa valley, the US pulled out displaying a pout that set off the paper tiger meme in the area.
Did you know we did build them? Reality Check: One on One with President Obama, Why Is The U.S. Supporting Al Qaeda In Syria?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrerl8EwqH0&feature=plcp
The only way Zero’s actions makes sense is if he is attempting to aid Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. I understand there are very few good choices but his actions in Libya and Egypt seem to confirm this thought.
General Allen here all you disrespecters of the Great Religion of Peace. These fine well meaning Muslims were just stressed out from not being able to eat during the day during Ramadan.
Attention!!! General Petraeus here. I condemn the action of the individual in the United States who made a film disrespecting the Great Prophet Mohammad. That action was hateful. It was intolerant, and it was extremely disrespectful. I condemn the actions of a small number of individuals who have been extremely disrespectful to the Holy Qur’an. Together with our Muslim Partners in Peace, we must secure and serve the people of the Muslim world.
General Casey here! Stand at ease. Smoke ‘um if you got ‘em. No mater how tragic the untimely death of a few Americans might be to some, we must not let this affect the diversity of those who watch our embassies, as if we did, that would be a much greater tragedy.
Political correctness is the tool that Islam uses against us … that’s obvious in the remarks and actions of the generals. Using our own rules against us is an instruction to all Jihadists, both political and physical jihadists; an has been all along. Islam is a dangerous enemy, which is why there is yet another event that will not only cater to the jihad but attempt to justify jihad as a human rights issue; The Human Rights Council meeting scheduled at the U.N. meetring soon. Don’t you know that these poor murderous Egyptian jihadists have had their human rights violated time and time again by the U.S.A. Their brother jihadists all around the middle East and alsewhere have been violated too; especially in Iraq which will be a focus of the human rights abuses by the Bush administration at the council meeting. Recognize that approach? Bash Bush!? Yes, even our own members of the HRC (in which Obama has deliberately kept our participation and endorsment) will use it as a platform to condemn the U.S.A.
This is NOT just about a 9/11 anniverary; it’s part and parcel of the OIC planned and staged events around the globe in preparation for an anti-American attack-fest at the U.N. on our own soil!!! That’s the big joke on us; we can’t even get in and the press won’t be allowed coverage of the human rights council “inside” meetings. Bet on it. The U.N. is now a fully functioning arm of Islamic Jihad against America which Obama is using to further the new far left
agenda against America – a twofer. Stifling free speech i.e. PC and tolerating the intolerant – classic example before our own eyes at the embassy in Egypt.
If Achmedthenutjob says even one thing close to bashing America; we out to shut down the entire U.N. debacle on the spot and send the b’tards home. Enough is enough. Small Arms Treaty is alive and well thanks to our State Department, but that’s another story.
I am seething. These deaths are on Obama’s and Hillary’s heads. Political correctness, i.e. “people are the same everywhere” is getting Americans killed, both civilians and servicemen.
I vote to quarantine the Middle East, no aid, just paid for trade, emmissaries stationed on our naval ships off- shore with Big Guns pointed at the major power stations.
Radio Free Islam beamed 24/7 with the truth about the Prophet exposed. Taunting them with their ridiculous religion.
Don’t let someone like me near the “football”. There would be a reminder periodically about which civilization has produced genius and which one merely goat *_@(#~$ !!!!
Within 20 years islamic mobs will be storming the US Embassy in Oslo and Paris.
In Berlin it will be gay mob demanding that Utah legalize gay marriage.
Already happening in the UK.
Four words: “Wag The Dog”
4?
He was channeling Joe Biden.
I am astounded by the gullible uneducated naivety that is show by not only the Lame Stream EneMedia but also by the “Conservative’ commentators and Politicians when referring to Islam. The White House WIMPS attitude is a given because of this MUSLIM education and upbringing and his extreme left wing views.
But for so called NEWS organisations it is unforgiveable. Even the most conservative stations speak of the ‘Prophet’ Mohammad, WHOSE prophet would that be certainly not mine or yours they should call him the MUSLIM Prophet Mohammad. It would do no harm to then point out that this so called ‘Prophet’ never made a PROPHECY ever , Even his most sycophantic followers cannot produce one for you.
There certainly are many ‘moderate’ Muslims, I personally know many, but what there most certainly is not is a ‘MODERATE’ Islam. It is moderate Muslims who are the REAL misunderstanders of Islam. The foolish Kafirs who bleat the same mantra are just Politically Correct, Multi Culti naive gullible FOOLS.
Every day the muslim “religion” is debunked. The mediots are in the way by channeling political correctness, which has now escalated to killer-status instead of just a job or rights-stealer.
To the notion that even some conservatives believe “we brought this on ourselves” is the claptrap that came of age in the 60′s with kumbaya and “love the one you’re with” and all that bull-pucky. The only thing the US did to “bring it on ourselves” was to be and remain strong in a world where tyranny and corruption rule. Ironic that it’s our own tyrannical and corrupt government that has (once again) brought about muslimz doing what they do best. Lessee, Carter gave us 444 days of sheer idiocy in Iran and a whole new Iranian government, Bill-Jeff gave us the Cole bombing, the bombing of the Marine barracks, and the first attack on the WTC and now Blammo and his crew give us this.
It’s not hard to see who the muslims view as weak.
In retaliation to the left-wing nutjobs in this country, when they start claiming that the takedown of the WTC was an “inside job” I bring up the USS Cole, the bombings and Iran and tell them if there were any inside jobs, those would be it by showing acceptance of islam’s intolerance.
Their ignorance and denial of reality is staggering. It’s shameful. Laughable even were it not so sad. Yet they, the left, will never see the light. They want to keep shoveling money at them so they will like us. Yet, they themselves are dysfunctional in spades because they cannot see their own intolerance of conservative thinking. They’d rather show how much they love their kids by giving them a Corvette and bottle of whiskey for their birthday.
Once the mind has gone off the rails, it’s nearly impossible to get it back on. The left has been so steeped in the hatred of normal for so long they actually believe they have the answer to everything. Hiltery’s gobsmacked attitude is proof of this. She is shocked that such an attack could ever happen. But, she’ll figure out a really pathetic rationalization for it. “Well, they were people angry at the movie on Youtube”.
Right, you stick with that. Your thoughts are like thin paint running down the walls.
Barack Obama and his national defense staff of unelected bureaucrats are naive, ideological and incompetent. And they are hiding it!
Hilarious Clinton and her State Department staff of unelected bureaucrats are ideological and incompetent. And they are hiding it!
Leon Panetta and his Defense Department staff of unelected bureaucrats are ideological and incompetent. And they are hiding it.
You know it. I know it. And the television, radio and print media journalists know it, too! But they are not naive and imcompetent. They are deliberately sacrificing their honor and their duty to protect themselves from exposing the degree to which they have been corrupted.
Congress knows it, too. And their action: vote for a 6 month extension of governmental spending at the current unsupportable levels so that they can get out of Dodge to campaign for reelection.
“And when somebody doesn’t do their job, we have to let them go!” Clint Eastwood, RNC 2012
It would seem they are not doing a very good job of hiding it. But, then, the Lame Scream Media is doing what they can.
NOT incompetent, at least not Obama. What he does is deliberate and intended. He has no illusions that he can make the radical Islamists love us. He wants them to succeed because he truly believes that America needs to be reduced to “just another country”, not a bastion of freedom and liberty in the world. We are colonialists, don’t you know, using our influence to oppress the rest of the world, so we must be reduced or destroyed. That’s why he tried to remove or insult pro-American governments (Mubarak and Gaddafi, amazingly enough, and Britain ind Israel) and encourages, or at least won’t oppose, anti-American governments (Assad and Chavez, and the Iranian mullahs.) It’s the only explanation that makes sense, because he cannot STILL be naive and gullible three years in. As for Hilary, I think she agrees with him, without really realizing what it will mean for the future. Should she become President in 2016 (God forbid) she will be in charge of a catastrophe, not the leader of the free world (which will be much, much less free.) The Generals and Panetta are just sucking up; Obama picked them because they had already demonstrated that they check their brains at the door when they get appointed to an office by someone with more authority. That is certainly the military way (it has to be, really), but Panetta is just a craven lickspittle. The damage Obama has done in one term is astonishing, and will take a lot more than four years to remedy. Our enemies could have wished for no more than what they are now seeing. I don’t think Obama is a Manchurian candidate; I think this is his own anti-colonial ideology, and any one who wants to reduce the influence of the US in the world is a friend of his.
Clearly stated.
I just read the speech the man who sits in the president’s chair gave about the attack. It was clear that he was just going through the motions as the position requires but having no personal involvement. He is summarily unmoved by the deaths of four Americans. Probably because he feels it’s justified?
Indeed, his uptake does seem to be that of the child who says, “So how do you like it? Nyahhh” complete with his tongue sticking out and his fingers in his ears waggling. We got a hint of that with “I won” as well as his extended middle finger to scratch an imagined itch on his cheek, something that sophomore smart-asses in high-school do.
His lack of feeling in that speech said it all.
He-Doesn’t-Care
He is only trying to win re-election in order to further do more destruction on this nation. Personally, I am saddened that there are so many in that regime who think alike. So, you want to destroy the nation? And…if you lived in a nice house that you inherited, you’d burn it down so you’re left out in the elements? The illogic is staggering.
I know, I know. Getting a leftwing moonbat to think logically, let alone at all is a fool’s errand.
D’Souza’s “The Roots Of Obama’s Rage” are probably the best empirical explanation one can get. He’s having his tantrum and probably even he had no idea that anyone in the government isn’t calling him on it. Perhaps they actually believe he is operating under the notion that he thinks it’s best for the nation.
The reality is, he’s a slight-of-hand master and has seemed to have duped anyone who would hold him to account. Plus, he’s appointed so many fellow-travelers that none of them will see anything wrong with what he’s doing.
We live in a very bad time.
Oregonian — You failed to mention Holder!
Thanks, Dave. Holder, Napolitano, Sibelius, Salazar, Solis, the Education clown, the Obamacare loser – it’s a target-rich environment in Obama’s Bar-Scene-From-Star-Wars cabinet!
The only security forces you can trust for American embassies or American consulates are US Marines. Period. All of our faith should be placed in them, and not some ragtag group of paid local guards that run away at the first sign of trouble. We must increase US Marine Corps security at all of our embassies in the Middle East, give them proper Rules of Engagement to protect themselves, and allow the Marines to fire back if fired on. If the local military in the host nation cannot guarantee our diplomat’s safety, then we have no business being in that country. It just shows that the host nation is not only unreliable, but very dangerous as well. Until that country can get its security act together, we should not be there. As in the old days, the US Marines were always responsible for security at our embassies and it should always remain that way. As was the case in the 1920s in China, if Americans are doing business in an unstable nation, US warships should also be nearby to reinforce the Marines in case of trouble. But the fact remains that if the host nation isn’t up to the task of assisting our Marines in defending an embassy or consulate, then it’s time to leave.
Reminds me of “The Sand Pebbles” with Steve McQueen.
Tripoli again? Really?
If we had a CIC with an IQ higher than his golf scores, Lybia would be a pile of ashes. It matters not one whit who killed our Ambassador nor why he was killed. Only that he was killed !! War against our Diplomats is war against the USA. Simple as that,
With an idiot president and a tired old hag for a Secreetary of State, it’s time for a general house-cleaning. In fact, it’s nearly four years too late.
God Bless the U S A !!!
And moreover, why are we all pussy-footing around the Muslims ? We’re in a religeous war, make no mmistake about it. We’ve removed most symbols of the
Christian religeon upon which the United States were founded. Why? To appease
Muslims who would build a mosque near the site of the twin towers they destroyed.
I say this: The Nazis rounded up millions of Jews with no just cause, and put them to death. We have just cause to round up Muslims and put them where they can harm only themselves…..and they will. Not one more American soldier or diplomat should lose his/her life to appease any Muslim, anywhere.
My opinion, and not humble !!
Our US Ambassador to Egypt is KIDNAPPED, missing for HOURS. RAPED. SUFFOCATED.
Our MARINES were not allowed to have BULLETS (the Barney Fife approach).
You tell me, what should the response be?
Our government did build them!
Ben Swann Reality Check asks President Obama about U.S. foreign policy that seems to fight al Qaeda in Afghanistan but support al Qaeda in Syria.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrerl8EwqH0&feature=plcp
Obama and his family will spend the rest of their lives knowing that their new friends will be coming after them. Justice mayy be served but it will be by the unjust.
You Americans are fools. You have more oil than the Saudis. You should pump it and send these 3rd World crazies back to the stone age. Their economies would collapse and you’d be free of their hellacious attacks.
Grow up and do the right thing. Pump the oil you have and leave these crazies to themselves. Once they’ve pacified each other via attrition, send in missionaries.
Cant say that I disagree with that.
send in missionaries
Missionaries? How about anthrax-laced cluster bombs? Oh, wait . . . these guys mate with goats. OK, OK, ebola-laced cluster bombs.
Ebola-laced goats
Not our government’s job to evangelize, although I’m sure there are plenty of private religious and secular charities that would be more than up to the task of helping make things better in the Middle East, if given a chance.
And don’t think the American public wouldn’t opt for domestically-produced energy in a heartbeat. It’s all the vast regulatory overhead imposed on industry that’s killing the possibility of exploiting our own energy reserves. A reduction in the size and scale of government, with a corresponding reduction in unelected regulatory bodies’ power to enact laws, would reverse this situation within a decade.
Why the hell shouldn’t they flee? It’s the US Marines’ job to defend US soil. The Embassy is US soil. Whose fault it was that the US Marines were disarmed?
Apparently it was Anne Patterson, US Ambassador to Egypt. If it was her she has blood on her hands.
Is it not about time that Congresswoman Bachman and the other 4 apostates get some traction on their request for investigations into vetting or lack of with regard to Islameists within our Government? Their point of our forign pollocy seems to benefit the Muslim Brotherhood most seems accurate. How far did Mdm. Hillary have to go to decide to have Mission Security stand down, advice from Mrs. Wiener? I mean all hate Joe McCarthy but according to Vanona he had an incredible point and I think Ms. Bachman & crew do too. Do we ever learn or do we just repeat it all over again.
Putting aside politics, the objective reality deserves a look. A house in a hostile country surrounded by armed opponents is ‘a place to die’. There are some situations that are indefensible. A diplomatic mission in a hostile country is one of them. In this situation it would not be advised to fire into the angry crowd. The thing to do is negotiate, try to tamp down the volatility and extract officials and employees. In this situation negotiators (get ready for it) lie. Weighing the lives in the Embassy against whatever opprobrium might fall on the ‘liar’ they will lie. Remember “Dog Day Afternoon”? If I were that negotiator I must say that I would apologize for the movie if I thought that were the reason for the unrest. After successfully rescuing the hostages would anyone rebuke me for lying? Afterward is the time to reassert America’s philosophical position. Right now everyone is trying to make political hay from this, Mitt Romney and PJMedia as well. A few months ago it was announced that thousands of hand held rockets were missing in this area. If anyone inside that compound had resisted the insurgents would have begun returning them. This isn’t an HBO movie but apparently if they can get away with having you believe it, they can push their guy over the finish line. I’ll stick with the objective reality, that’s where we will have to be anyway.
I had to read the comment about needing to negotiate twice to be sure it was was actually serious. What part of “We want to Kill you” is not getting through to you?
Some tactical situations are difficult no matter who is POTUS or campaigning for POTUS. The outcome does not depend on who is the ‘good guy’, you know, like in the action thrillers. So…you would have ordered, “Press on regardless, to the last cartridge!”? I do understand their intent, in that situation most people would chose to lie and negotiate, adapt and overcome. The odds just weren’t good based on the logistics of the situation. Life limits us in this way. I am sure that action-thrillers are popular because they have no such limits. The devil-dogs always come in at the end. Good to know the difference though, eh?
“Stunner”?
No, the stunner would have been if they had stood their ground and fought.
My impression was that the “reason” for this attack wasn’t given before the embassies and consulate were attacked. That only came out afterward. The news media fastened on it because Liberals can’t conceive of people of the Muslim peace faith doing such a thing simply because we’re not Muslims so need killing. After your dead it’s really hard to apologize for anything.
I saw a group tearing up an American flag and one of them was wearing a Guy Fawkes mask! What’s up with that? Were there U.K. Muslims flown in for this?
Clearly Romney’s fault for being critical of the apology.
Clearly we will never surmount any of these issues as long as the O is the White House. This craziness will only end with the defeat of these semi-conscious simians. If these losers are not defeated alot more Americans are going to be killed. Probably here at home too. We are right behind the 8 ball.
With 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, the fact is that we are in a war that we will not see the end of in our lifetime, and our children may not see the end of in their lifetime. The Western world had better realize this and gear up for the long haul, or we are toast.
The external policies of our country since the current president took office , went to @#$%. I guess he wants to live up to the ” nobel peace prize recipient” honor bestowed upon him. However, he miscalculated the animals we’re trying to make friends with…our enemies will smile, nod heads in agreement, say yes but they eat, sle.ep and breathe the destruction of the USA. Unfortunately, there’s no easy way, as much as liberal thinkers and supporters of the president would like to say there is…take the politics and politicians out of the military and let the soldiers do what they do best. Stop limiting our military with B S liberal @##$$. This is why Iraq and Afghanistan are our failures.the entire world sees us as a weak nation. The attacks on our embassies are overt acts of war…the respective governments have different speeches in english and arabic and their messages change with the language…english apologetic for the attacks while in arabic US is blamed for bringing this upon itself. WTF???!! How can we trust these people and extend a friwndly hand?
Who set up the situation of hiring locals to protect our Embassy?
Whom indeed. The same person who forbade US Marines to wear uniforms while her husband was in Office the same person who wanted the Marines disarmed as well as the Local security guards.
The old Hippy chick that just cannot quite get out of the sixties.
Was this all a feel good ‘let’s have the locals provide security’ motivation behind it?
I’d run to if what I’ve read is true and that Hillary not only ruled the Marine guards disarmed and ammo less BUT the Security guards hired were also unarmed and without ammo also by the same rule from the same Hillary.
Hillary and Obama live in a world of ideology that has lost touch with reality.
The man who made the film was an informer for the United States and on the federal governments payroll if not protection program.
The Administration had between three days and 48 hour warning of the attack yet did nothing.
There was an Islamic protest at the American Embassy in England.
Obama acts as if he is living in a different world than the rest of us, Hell the whole government does.
No, they live in a world of ideology that has NEVER been in touch with reality.
HEP-T is fun stuff, especially when it’s TOWed into place.
Do you know how many anti-islamic videos are up on YouTube right now? Must be in the thousands!
And they pretend THIS ONE alone “caused” their turbans to explode?! Please.
Still, I checked it out – amateurish, in a Saturday Night Live kinds way, it’s nevertheless perfectly halal: Everything they made ‘Muhammad’ say and do in it, was completely accurate as detailed in only the moslems’ own most official stuff!
I have been reading that the U.S. does not even have an embassy or consulate in Benghazi. It appears as though this entire scenario has been fabricated.