Planned Parenthood is literally making a sacrament of abortion.
A prayer guide found on PlannedParenthood.org ,40 Days of Prayer Supporting Women Everywhere , encourages pro-abortion supporters to offer prayers of “thanks for abortion providers” and the “sacred care” they provide.
Each day, Planned Parenthood suggests a prayer, for example:
· “We give thanks for the doctors who provide quality abortion care.”
· We pray for a cloud of gentleness to surround every abortion facility.”
· We pray for all the staff at abortion clinics around the nation. May they be daily confirmed in the sacred care that they offer women.”
Some of the prayers, like those above, are for the abortionists. Others are for all “women to access . . . abortion,” and one is to “give thanks and celebrate that abortion is still safe and legal.”
Still other prayers are against pro-life advocates. They pray that women on the way to have an abortion would be “shielded” from the lifesaving message of pro-life sidewalk counselors and “give thanks for abortion escorts who guide women safely through the hostile gauntlets of protesters.” In another, “we pray for women who have been made afraid of their own power [of choice, i.e. abortion] by their religion. May they learn to reject fear and live bravely.”
One of the most outrageous of these pro-abortion prayers actually urges people to “pray for the families we’ve chosen. May they know the blessing of choice.” What about the babies who weren’t “chosen”?
Here is a screen shot of Planned Parenthood’s 40 Days of Prayer brochure. It’s one of the sunniest, most repulsive things I’ve ever seen.
The number 40 recurs throughout the Bible associated with significant times. Noah’s ark rode the flood for 40 days and nights, and Exodus 24-31 says Moses spent 40 days and nights on Sinai before God handed down the Ten Commandments (one of which clearly prohibits murder) and the plans for the ark of the covenant and the tabernacle. The Israelites would spend 40 years wandering the wilderness before entering and taking it. Christ spent 40 days and nights praying in the wilderness before overcoming Satan’s temptation. So the number 40 is important and clearly drawn from the Bible, but the Clergy for Choice skipped over the commandment regarding murder, which is also associated with Moses’ 40 days and nights on the mountain. An interesting choice.
Look over on the left side of the graphic, at some of the things these folks are actually praying for. On Day 35: “Today we pray for girls everywhere, that they may have every opportunity for education, sport, health, art and vocation.”
It’s hard to do any of that when you’re prevented from being born. Note also the absence of praying for girls to have families.
On Day 38: “Today we pray for a cloud of gentleness to surround every abortion facility. May everyone feel calm and loving.”
But you kill that thing that’s in the womb.
And then there’s Day 40: “Today we give thanks and celebrate that abortion is still safe and legal.”
They have dropped the Clintonian pretense of making it rare.
Update: PJM called up the Humboldt Planned Parenthood to ascertain the brochure’s authenticity. It is for real.
I just called them, asking them if it was authentic. “Why? Huh?” They replied.
PJM: Authentic, yes. It looked so absurd I thought it might be a spoof trying to make Planned Parenthood look bad. Is it authentic?
Humboldt Planned Parenthood: Yes, is authentic.
PJM: Like the prayer to end stigma against women who have abortions, does that sound like we are talking about the same thing?
Humboldt: Yes, that’s it.
PJM: Do you think women who have abortions SHOULD be entirely free from stigma?
Humboldt: I’m not going to answer that.
You all do realize they aren’t praying to God, don’t you?
Compare to a Psalm of David
Psalm 69: 29 – 36
29 But I am afflicted and in pain; let thy salvation, O God, set me on high! 30 I will praise the name of God with a song; I will magnify him with thanksgiving. 31 This will please the LORD more than an ox or a bull with horns and hoofs. 32 Let the oppressed see it and be glad; you who seek God, let your hearts revive. 33 For the LORD hears the needy, and does not despise his own that are in bonds. 34 Let heaven and earth praise him, the seas and everything that moves therein. 35 For God will save Zion and rebuild the cities of Judah; and his servants shall dwell there and possess it; 36 the children of his servants shall inherit it, and those who love his name shall dwell in it.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, Pray for Us Sinners now and at our Death.
See the diff?
Amen, your response was very well said.
It is amazing that people think a petition for evil is the same as good.
What utter bollocks. Of course they’re praying to the same god you pray to. Labelling someone who disagrees with you on an issue as being not (christian/muslim/jewish/whatever) is narcissistic rubbish, and a failure to eith address or even conside the issue at hand.
Bollocks right back at you.
“We pray for all the staff at abortion clinics around the nation. May they be daily confirmed in the sacred care that they offer women.”
Did you read that statement? Sacred Care? Sacred to who? Baal? Moloch? All pagans idols to whom children were sacrificed in the ancient world? This is certainly not the Judeo Christian God who abhors the death of his faithful people. And, punishes those who do not obey the first word of the Decalogue.
1900 years of theology disagrees with you.
Until the early 1970′s the idea that the soul enters the body at conception would have been laughed out of the debate. Until the 1980′s it was not a popular viewpoint amongst either theologians or the average believer. Oh, there was opposition to abortion, but it was not primarily religious in nature.
Instead, the primary theological position was one of First Breath, wherin the soul enters the body when the child first breathes in – in other words, after physical birth.
And yet, you claim that because these people disagree with you they are not christians?
What arrogance! What foolishness! What a mighty opinion of yourself you possess, to judge another a lesser christian than yourself, or not a christian at all! Surely you are not among the meek!
But I acknowledge that such is not for ME to decide.
The vast majority of Americans are christians. There are many, many denominations, and they differ on many, many positions. The corollory is that the vast majority of abortion doctors, nurses and orderlies are also christian – merely ones that disagree with YOU.
And I fail to see where these people have failed to have the one god before all others, as the first verse of the decalogue requires.
Kevin Cross -
Unfortunatly, you are misinformed about “1900 years of theology”
The Roman Catholic church has been consistent in her position on life at conception since it’s earliest days.
At the Incarnation, the Son of God assumed a human nature composed of a rational soul and a body.
Council of Ephesus: “For if it is necessary to believe that being God by nature he became flesh, that is man ensouled with a rational soul….”
Council of Ephesus: “We confess, then, our lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, perfect God, and perfect man of a rational soul and a body, begotten before all ages from the Father in his godhead, the same in the last days, for us and for our salvation, born of Mary the virgin, according to his humanity, one and the same consubstantial with the Father in godhead and consubstantial with us in humanity, for a union of two natures took place.”
In His human nature, Jesus is consubstantial with us, and is like us in all respects except for sin. His human nature is like our human nature, and our human nature is like His human nature (except that he is sinless).
Council of Chalcedon: “So, following the saintly fathers, we all with one voice teach the confession of one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: the same perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity, the same truly God and truly man, of a rational soul and a body; consubstantial with the Father as regards his divinity, and the same consubstantial with us as regards his humanity; like us in all respects except for sin….”
The Incarnation occurred only once, when the Divine Nature of the Eternal Son of God was united to his human nature, body and soul, which was the same moment when his human nature, body and soul, was created.
Saint Thomas Aquinas, citing Saint Gregory the Great: “On the contrary, Gregory says (Moral. xviii): ‘As soon as the angel announced it, as soon as the Spirit came down, the Word was in the womb, within the womb the Word was made flesh.’ ”
Saint Thomas Aquinas, citing Saint John of Damascus: “On the contrary, Damascene says (De Fide Orth. iii): ‘At the very instant that there was flesh, it was the flesh of the Word of God, it was flesh animated with a rational and intellectual soul.’ ”
Saint Thomas Aquinas: “On the contrary, Augustine says (De Fide ad Petrum xviii): ‘Hold steadfastly, and doubt not for a moment that Christ’s flesh was not conceived in the Virgin’s womb, before being assumed by the Word.’ ” [The work cited is now believed to have been written by Saint Fulgentius.]
In His human nature, Jesus is “like us in all respects except for sin,” and is “consubstantial with us in humanity.” Therefore, like the human nature of Christ, each human being is conceived such that body and soul are created in the same instant, and with body and soul united. The body is not created before the soul, nor is the soul created before the body; body and soul are created, as one human being, in the same instant. And the union of body and soul occurs at the same instant that both body and soul are created.
Therefore, what is true for Jesus in His humanity is also true for us in our humanity: the life of each human being, with body and soul united, begins at conception.
Christians do not sacrifice their children to false gods. These people have some other god — maybe it’s political correctness. Or, maybe it’s money. It most certainly is not God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
This is not merely a simple disagreement. This is sin and death. Condemnation or Salvation. I suspect many are of those in the abortion industry are so deep in sin that they cannot recognize what evils they are perpetrating every day.
I hate to disagree, especially to one as clearly informed as yourself, but I should point out that all of your quotes speak only of the birth of Jesus. Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, was the Son of God, Redeemer of Man – it is not in the least unreasonable that he was allowed somewhat different rules than those of mortal man, even if his nature was both divine and human.
At any rate, that was not the point of my argument. Christianity is defined, inasmuch as it can be defined, by only one attribute, overriding and supreme: Faith in the Christ. One of the greatest aruguments of the early Church was the question of which was superior, good works, or faith, and it was faith that won out.
You cannot judge another’s faith. You don’t have that right, and the Bible makes that clear in numerous passages. Call a man or woman on their sin? As you wish, though even that is iffy. Say that you consider something IS a sin? Perfectly within your purview.
But to say another is not a christian? That they are outside the sacrament of Jesus? No, my brother. That is NOT our call. Only He can do that.
Kevin-
1.) You argue that their is not theological evidence of life at condeption. I have presented you with the ultimate theological arguement. Scriptural and Magesterial. Faith and Works are not relevant to you arguements regarding life at conception. I will simplify this for you. Jesus Christ is both God and Man. He became such at his Incarnation. Body, Soul, Spirit and Divintiy. Man shares Christ human nature. Therefore, what is true for Jesus in His humanity is also true for us in our humanity: the life of each human being, with body and soul united, begins at conception. Christ is the Church. The Church is the body of Christ.
2.) Those who abort or materially aid in abortion exommunicate themselves. They are condemend by their own action and not by my word. This is a manifest sin.
Let me be clear with you. If they truly repent of their sins, seek absolution thru the holy sacrament of the penance, and amend their actions they are forgiven.
If my word appear harsh, that is not my intention. To give counsel to the doubtful – to admonish sinners – to give comfort to the afflicted – to forgive offenses – to bear patiently the troublesome – to pray for the living and dead. These acts of mercy are both my provilege and duty.
What passes for religion with these damned people:
…[the doctor] smiled gently at her and said, “No. It is not your sin. It is mine. I will take on your sin. I commit the sin. Not you.”
Yes, abortion doctors are like Christ. They will take on the burden of your sins. Read the article here: http://www.lifenews.com/2011/07/26/abby-johnson-abortion-doc-told-patient-i-will-take-your-sin/
They are sick, sick people.
Yes, they take on your sin, but your guilt is not diminished. You are both responsible, and when you share responsibility, your portion is undiminished.
…proving the old adage that two wrongs do not make a right – nor do they make a half a wrong.
To whom are they “praying”? Certainly not to God, the Father Almighty, nor to his Son, Jesus, nor to the Holy Spirit. Their petitions are meaningless, so much rubbish, utterly lacking in intelligence, vapid and self serving!
Why do they need to pray to protect clinic escorts? They already have witches to do that. The readers of “Wiccan Open Circle” were encouraged to become escorts.
Wiccans were also encouraged to work their magic on the area surrounding the Aware Woman abortion clinic [in Florida]: “… many individuals and groups have been helping to magically protect the building and property … This has been done by magical and psychic shielding being put on and around the property….”
The book “The Sacrament of Abortion” by a Ginnette Paris, a witch in France, presents abortion as “a sacred act.” Paris calls abortion: “a sacrifice to Artemis, who refuses to give life if the gift is not pure” (that is innocent or preborn life).
Here’s what it says ont he Amazon page about the book: “As Ginette Paris writes, ‘Abortion is about love, life, and death.’ Since its original publication, the book has ben widely used in abortion clinics in Canada and in France and has even been given by some doctors to each and every women who had the procedure, along with pain killers.”
Yes, the abortionists have already chosen their god. I hope they enjoy the outcome.
Here’s the page where I swiped some of this stuff.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/massacre_of_innocence.htm
Don’t you just wish they coud be japed from on high!
Why do the words “Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn” come to mind?
Heh.
HP Loveraft was looking for horror in all the wrong places…yet still churned out some High Octane Nightmare Fuel.
“Religious Leaders”?
Hardly.
“False Prophets” is their rightful and proper appellation.
Y’know, “cold” is God’s way of telling us to burn MORE heretics.
Actually they are clergy. They are high priests and priestesses to Baal. And Moloch and Isis and every other name the devil parades under.
– mass, imprecatory prayer stuff. Mail it to the Jesus Seminar and S.F. Comical as news.
These are simply the modern day soothsayers, the prophets of Jezebel, the worshipers of Baal.
And I’m sure all of those people of antiquity prayed to some false god of rock, or fire, or water – same as Planned Parenthood. Of course, all of those listed were wiped from the pages of history too, other than as reference to what happens to the wicked. And Planned Parenthood is wicked.
Someday soon, history will repeat itself and Planned Parenthood, NARAL, the George Tillers of the world will be no more.
Baal worshipers also sacrificed their children to their “god”. This is a situation where you can really sense the hand of Satan.
Oh, there is plenty in this story capable of making thinking people’s skin crawl, to be sure (the story itself is actually a couple of weeks old now, but good for Mr. Preston & PJM for publicizing this critique). And yes, Nobody Important said “thinking” people in that previous sentence – not “people of blind faith” – because that’s what I meant (see the main Abortion page on the website linked below). I won’t belabor the ad hominems against liberals, however, since that seems to be the order of the day on this Comment thread.
What I will offer is another reference to Another Slow News Day’s library of thousands of links to research (much of it peer-reviewed, including on abortion) about dozens of relevant, current topics of interest and debate. This page…
http://anotherslownewsday.wordpress.com/planned-parenthood/
… features not only this story about Planned Parenthood’s “prayer” services, but over two dozen additional stories about similarly mindless and outright evil done – with your tax dollars – at the free world’s leading infanticide institution. It’s not a fun page to read, but that, of course, explains why liberals won’t bother to read any of it.
If these people would go to an abortion clinic and hold the body parts in their hands as the baby is being ripped out of the uterus – I’d like to know what prayer they would like to say then.
God help us.
The mind boggles!
I do believe the values of the future, the messages of the urban Slum World, will be incomprehensible and unimagineable to us living now.
ah, but who is praying for women who are desperate, who long for someone to support them to carry the child to term and lov it, but find that their “loving” families, “loving” sperm donor and “loving abortion clinic counseller” all say the same thing: assuring her that abortion is her only choice?
Once abortion became “legal”, it became the ONLY choice, and sex became just another way to have fun, not a sacred and joyful way to show love to one another, and finding one is pregnant is now a “punishment” ( to use our commander in chief’s words) not a gift of the deity.
The press always implies that religious people who oppose abortion don’t care about her, only about her fetus, but the truth of is is that we care about both of them…
And I am always bemused by those who criticize me by saying “yes, but have you ever done X Y or Z” to help these women, and they always ignore my answer that Yes, I have done these things.
A pretty lame attempt at co-opting age-old Christian values, that’s for sure. And the abortionists who do NOT believe that Man was made in God’s image shall inherit the Earth? — Or are they perhaps just aiming at the next couple election cycles?
These are no more than prayers offered up to Death. Its scary that some moron actually came up with these prayers – more scary is that someone might actually mouth them – giving Death a voice! Too bad those babies will have no voice.
Disgusting.
OUTRAGEOUS.
I will reserve my anger and transcend it so that when I attend my usual Thursday morning Prayers for Life, I will be able to seek God’s help for these deluded blasphemers.
Hi people, I am the mother of three beautiful children and also a woman who has had two abortions without ny feelings of guilt. I realise I’m not an american theocrat but I do find your position very hard to take seriously. the first abortion I had followed a rape at 14 – should this have continued to define both our lives? The second was between child 2 and 3 due to very serious developmental abnormalities.. Yes this much wanted child could have maybe made it to term but her “life” would have been pain and blackness and interventions and infections etc etc.
Why do you religious fundies refuse to even look at your own churches theology? Like your god send famines and dictators, he/she/it also gifts us with children who can never or should not ever survive.
Next time you want to harass women who have abortions think of me carrying a child that MAY come to term only to suffer to die.
YoYol, I feel sadness for you. Perhaps you felt that those two abortions were necessary – I assure you that they were not. But that is yours to bear. In any event, setting aside the very rare rape-and-incest arguments (I won’t set aside the developmental abnormality argument, given the state of today’s medical care) even you must admit that abortion of otherwise perfectly healthy children – the vast majority of abortions – is a problem. We all suffer and die, who are you to decide that a child’s life isn’t worth it?
As for your crack on “religious fundies”, I can only recommend that you make some attempt to find out what we really believe. God allows suffering, but it is our own sinful nature that brings it on.
Paul: does it really matter what you and your fellow travelers in the anti-abortion movement believe? Your goal is to impose your religious views on all citizens and stop any and all abortions. Many of you also want to limit access to various forms of contraception or ban them entirely (e.g. HR 3 from last year; the “personhood” movement).
YoYol and her family made their very tough decisions on the size of their family. That is their right to do so; a right you and your fellows would take away. She may well be justified in her reference to “religious fundies.”
Somehow, I doubt you would say the same thing about being pro-choice on slavery. If it be a crime to stand up for life and liberty and say that a human being is not a piece of property to be exploited or disposed of at the leisure of another, then I stand guilty as charged! Would that I had done more to stop this atrocity called abortion!
Your thoughtline about slavery is not relevant to a discussion about abortion. Different topics.
Of course it’s relevant. Both slavery and abortion treat human beings as pieces of property to be disposed of at the whim of another. I am an abortion abolitionist, and I am proud to profess it.
Ms. Yo Yol, congratulations on being brave enough to step into the very belly of what you consider to be the beast (i.e. faith-based morality and political conservatism) and state your case (PJM, though, is not the best example of faith-based punditry; their editorial staff pander to religious conservatives only because they know they need us to win secular elections). Being part of that “beast” myself, Nobody Important will challenge the case you’ve made, but I want you to know beforehand that I respect and admire your fortitude. Sadly, many of us beasties (my term, not yours; you referred to us as “theocrats,” “religious fundies” and “harassers”) are not as convinced of our “god’s” position (again, your term) as you are of your position. I doubt my words in this reply will effect much change in that ratio (used in both the English [mathematical] and the Latin [rationality] senses here), and I’m not optimistic they will change your mind either, but they might plant a seed in someone’s mind who is open to examining evidence presented on both sides of the abortion issue fence (which is what rationality is; its opposite is prejudice). Should that seed take root and produce faith-based fruit, then the glory goes to what you call our “god.”
Having mentioned “he/she/it” twice in that introductory paragraph (once again, your terms), along with a couple references to religious faith as a base for both morality and reason, I would first like to mention that such is the only possible construct for professing morality or reason. Morality, of course, is a non-physical reality (it carries no physical attributes like mass, charge or temperature). As such, its origins must also be non-physical, else something non-physical came from nothing non-physical. Since only nothing (whether physical or non-physical) can come from nothing, and since morality, you must agree, is actually something, then morality – being both non-physical and something – had to come from something which is also non-physical. We “harassing theocratic religious fundies” call that something “God.” We also recognize (as you suggest) that this God carries attributes of both male and female genders since “he/she” made us in “its” image (Gen. 1:26; actually, that citation says we were made in “their” image [plural], but we’ll save the theological lesson on God’s trinity for another Comment on another blog site since PJM usually doesn’t allow such topics to be discussed here).
So, based on the laws of logic presented above, morality can only exist if God exists. The same is true of reason (or rationality), and, not surprisingly, for the very same reason (no pun intended). Rationality, like morality, is a non-physical reality, else there would be no discoverable laws of logic, which laws define and confine rationality. Following the same logical path described above, therefore, rationality (reason) can only exist if God exists. The preexistence of God, therefore, is the only “reason” we can profess to use reason and morality in our thought processes (thoughts, btw, are also non-physical realities… but I digress).
Having established the existence of an actual God – using only the rules of logic and reason rather than citing religious beliefs or texts (my reference to Gen 1:26 was not offered as a proof for the existence of God but only as support for something you had already acknowledged – the “transgenderism” of God, for lack of a better term), I would now like to respond to what must have been a terrifically painful event in your life at age 14. I don’t even know if I know any women who have suffered the humiliation and violation of rape, and I know cannot ever feel or understand their pain, but I can, and I will, do everything I can to empathize and sympathize with it. I also hope your rapist was caught and punished for his crime. But I must ask you, Ms. YoYol, given that you had the option of legally and morally giving your first child to one of the hundreds of thousands of non-fertile couples in this country (and several tens of thousands of girls and women do each year), was it moral to punish him/her with the death penalty for the crime of his/her father? You will claim, of course, that you didn’t punish your own child for anyone else’s crime, but he/she is not here to respond to that claim (as some survivors of abortion are; citations offered below). If he/she were, I doubt he/she would agree.
I might also add, for the sake of those reading these words (I acknowledge that they won’t carry much weight with you) that your situation of rape due to pregnancy is exceedingly rare. Planned Parenthood’s own published research confirms that no more than 1% of abortions in this country are performed on the children of rapists (those data are also available on the Web site I will cite below). While your situation was absolutely real, it was nothing close to common, and if 99% of babies killed in their own mothers’ wombs could be saved (i.e. allowing the very rare exception of rape as a legal loophole to kill their own children), that would be more moral than the legal slaughter of over 50 million children in-utero to date (and that’s just here in the U.S.; yes, references available below).
Finally, Ms. YoYol, I would like to respond to your other situation – also relatively rare (just over 10%), and no doubt painful – with a child who would have been born with birth defects. You didn’t share what those defects would have been (nor is that necessary) but again, that child is not here to ask whether he/she would have preferred to live with those defects or not. Are you aware that 90% of babies diagnosed with Down syndrome in-utero are killed before they are given a chance to answer that question? My adult cousin with Down’s is the greatest joy in his mother’s life, and he has answered that question many times, as have many other survivors of abortion attempts (we’re almost to those references now). Are you also aware, Ms. YoYol, that every child killed in-utero because of a birth defect is one less child who can provide later generations with critical research data necessary to cure their diseases? We (“harassing, theocratic religious fundies”) don’t kill cancer patients simply because they have a painful, often deadly disease (even if they are not yet born, Ms. YoYol). We care for those patients, and we learn from those patients in order to provide future patients with a cure for their disease.
Now, for the promised references. Another Slow News day provides several pages devoted to the
Abortion issue, with several dozen references (many of the peer-reviewed medical science references) supporting the assertions I have made above. The main Abortion page on that site…
http://anotherslownewsday.wordpress.com/culture/abortion/
… provides most of them, but navigating across the branches of the Culture / Abortion menu tree provides several additional pages full of references. I hope you will spend some time reading them, Ms. YoYol. They may not change your mind, but they will inform it.
If you actually read what is offered there.
The minor typos in that previous reply to YoYol will not (likely) need correcting, but the major mess-up does. When I wrote, “… your situation of rape due to pregnancy is exceedingly rare,” I must have been trying to stand on my head. That description is, of course, exactly upside down (or backwards, or whatever). The sentence should have read, “… your situation of pregnancy due to rape is exceedingly rare.” My apologies for not noticing the error on a proof-read.
The rape was not the child’s fault. The deformity was not the child’s fault. You punished a child for the sins of others and the imperfection of the world. This is the plain and awful truth.
I am trying to sympathize with you here (I too was sexual assaulted as a child, though no pregnancy resulted), but I find it exceedingly difficult, just as you found it exceedingly difficult (impossible), to restrain your contempt in your own comment.
God eosn’t send famines and dictators. Weather patterns and incompetent governments send famines, and humans make dictators. Nor did god send you those 2 kids. Sex made them. I’m sorry you were raped, I was too at 14 by a 21 year old. I think the man who raped you should be put to death, personally, but punishing the baby for the sins of the father is pretty archaic.
Birthing that baby would not have made the rape continue to define your life. And the baby need not have ever known-ever hear of adoption? I mean really-does the fact that you did not birth that baby mean your forgot the rape? Did it make it not happen? No. I did not get pregnant form mine but I have never forgotten it.
And if you think ripping a baby linb fmor limb is better than it living with disabilities and maybe even pain-well, I can’t help you there. Life is a lot of pain, for everyone. Should we just commit humanicide and be done with it all? I don’t think so.
Wow, lot of typos, sorry. That’s what happens when trying to type while the kids are awake!
Quit blaming God for your own sins! Where do you get off telling God what life should and should not exist? You ask should the rape have continued to define both your lives, but that is a meaningless question, because it does continue to define both your lives. You murdered a child for the crime of its father, and no matter how much you try to wash your own hands of that guilt, it remains with you and continues to define you. Only genuine repentance and the grace of God can cleanse you of that guilt.
You then have the audacity to accuse God of injustice for sending famines and raising up dictators, neglecting that these are punishments for idolatry. Dictators rise when the people are no longer moral enough to remain free, and instead beg for a strong man or listen to the seductive allure of all the free stuff and license that the dictator promises if you’ll only serve him. When God raises up a dictator, He is punishing people by giving them exactly what they want.
Which god are you referring to? There are many, particularly in the Hindu pantheon.
I am referring to YHWH, the Triune God who created the Heavens and the Earth and everything in them. I am offended that you would dare think that I would call those demons in the Hindu pantheon gods. I pray to YHWH that He hasten the day that He will cast those demons into Gehenna where they belong, where their worm will not die, nor will their fire be extinguished. By the Hand of the Almighty shall those false gods suffer for all eternity, because they led humans astray and waged war against YHWH. They shall suffer the due penalty for murdering the souls of humans, and that penalty is eternal torment.
Is this the local section of the Church of Satan? And have they also already said a Grace for German cannibal Armin Meiwes?
Four words: “special place in hell”
Liberalism perverts everything, even theology……….
Liberalism perverts everything, even theology…
The day 40 praise that abortion is safe and legal ignores the revolting discoveries in Dr. Kermit Gosnell’s Philadelphia clinic. By no means can abortion be deemed to be safe.
Abortion did not become safe, legal and rare. They’ve dropped rare; soon they will have to drop safe. God help us with the ‘legal’.
“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.” — Isaiah 5:20
Is this not a perfect snapshot of how lost spiritually America has become? As Buzz points out above citing Isaiah 5:20, I am reminded of Romans Chapter 1:
“…He gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not be done.” Romans 1:28
“Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them” – Romans 1:32
America has devolved into a sick and depraved culture. We obsess over elections, education, jobs, and war tactics while we murder 1+ million babies a year and provide teenagers with pornography.
Realistically, is there any hope? Have we past the point of no return?
The Lord promised that, ultimately, the gates of hell would not prevail. He didn’t promise they wouldn’t prevail in your country
You are correct. I get frustrated by my fellow Christians who are blind to the storm that is coming. Americans have become lukewarm in their faith, clinging to what I call “Kindergarden Christianity.” We fail consistently because we try to fight spiritual battles with secular weapons (laws of prohibition, public funding, foreign wars, etc.). Much like ancient Isreal, we have traded away our birthright so we can “be like other nations.”
Indeed, my brother.
We must keep our eyes focused on Christ and the Cross.
We must speak the Truth in charity and kindness as our Lord does.
StephenB/Colorado is a bit of a Troll and is most often seen on threads such as this one. StephenB/Colorado reminds me of someone Bishop Sheen used to speak about… “There are two kinds of unbelief; those who say something is not true because they wish it were not true, and those who say something is not true because they wish that it was. The latter kind is curable.”
I wonder which is SteveB?
Don’t know if it occurred to anyone else, but satan (when he was called Lucifer)said, “I will be like the Most High!” (Isaiah 14:14)
What is the Most High like? The Bible tells us: holy, pure, merciful, compassionate, all-powerful, all-knowing etc etc. Satan imitates everything that God does. In Pharaoahs’ court, where Moses performed the miracles to prove to Pharaoah that God had sent him to deliver a message, to let His people go into the wilderness etc., the magicians who were there, performed identical miracles-only the last one they were unable to imitate, and said, “This is the finger of God.” All the 9 gifts of the Spirit spoken of in I Corinths.12 are imitated by the devil-all of them. (One example (no room here to show re all): Gift of Word of Knowledge is counter-parted by seeing a psychic, or a fortune-teller etc.)
Paul the apostle said that satan can appear as an angel of Light and his demons as ministers of righteousness. (II Corins.11:15)
He doesn’t want to look like his soul is-evil, depraved, murderous etc.
Naturally, he will have his people praying. You are right when you say that they are praying to him however-though they don’t know it.
White witch-craft is using demons (inadvertently) to do spells that bring about “good.” Satan doesn’t care, so long as HE has control-coz those people don’t know it, but they have opened up their lives to be destroyed in one way or another by demons. Spiritualists recite “The Lords’ Prayer,” etc there are other religions he has set up, that seem harmless and even “good” over which he presides.
Jesus Christ said in John 14:6: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life-no one comes to the Father, except by Me.” Plenty of folk think they do though-without Jesus and accepting His work on the Cross for them, I mean. He calls them thieves and robbers in John 10:1.
We do NOT wrestle against flesh and blood (be reminded-those who would like those people killed) but against satan and his mob it tells us in Ephesians.
The only salvation for any nation-is the Gospel. God offers no other hope than through that. Politics won’t do it-nothing will do it. “All the wicked shall be turned into hell and the nations that FORGET God.” This speaks of nations who once exalted the Lord and revered the Holy Bible, but turned their back on Him to chase after multi-cultural gods-Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism etc.
The only hope is to save as many souls as possible. It only took 12 men (chosen by Jesus) to bring Light to every nation and transform billions of lives.
Thank you for sharing your personal religious beliefs. You wrote that the only salvation for any nation is the Gospel. And may I politely ask: which Gospel is that? There are many; the four in the New Testament; apocryphal gospels that were deleted from the Testament by men; etc.
“turned their back on him to chase after multi-cultural gods-Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc…..” Sorry, I just can’t give a lot of credibility to someone who exalts their own religion and slams other religions in the process.
Then you will remain lost – but that is your choice.
The four Gospels all proclaim the same message: Jesus died for sinners to obtain forgiveness for our sins and rose from the dead, obtaining eternal life for all who follow him. The so-called gospels declared apocryphal are not Scripture because they proclaim a different gospel, and thus are cursed. “If anyone, even an angel come down from heaven, proclaims a different gospel (not that there is another), let that one be anathema.”
I was flabbergasted by this article until I saw the actual brochure. “Humboldt County Clergy for Choice,” eh?
Being a resident of northern California, I can tell you a bit about Humboldt County. It’s the number one marijuana producing county in the state. Just driving through their towns and neighborhoods will make you feel buzzed and disoriented. Reality is something they make up as they go along.
Sometimes evil has a banality that is stunning to see. Sometimes it simply means a lot of old hippies living in a fog that hasn’t dissipated in over 40 years. At this point, they wouldn’t know goodness and righteousness if it slapped them across the face.
I just cannot imagine how one can even think of hating another humanbeing why the bloody hell do you need an abortion when you jump in with your eyes open but you bloody hell cant take responsibility for your actions