Cain Admits Paying Woman
It seems the Cain Campaign is in Act V, Scene III. On a conference call that just ended, he said about the latest accuser:
“I have been attempting to help her financially because she was out of work and destitute, desperate. So, thinking that she was a friend — and I have helped many friends — I now know that she wasn’t the friend that I thought she was. But it was a just a friendship relationship.”
Lots of PJ Media readers have been quick to defend Cain and attack the media. But sorry, when a presidential candidate, already facing charges from numerous directions regarding questionable behavior, THEN admits paying one of the accusers, we’ve reached the end. And this isn’t about the liberal media. This isn’t about mysterious establishment conspiracies. This is about a presidential candidate admitting he engaged in some very questionable behavior.
Yes, questionable behavior includes paying a woman, texting her in the middle of the night, and doing all sorts of other things. I once worked for an elected official who refused to sit in a room alone with a woman without the door open so as to avoid charges like this. The only person who can save the Cain campaign now is Mrs. Cain, and only if she says she knew about the payments to this woman, agreed with them, and they were purely charitable. Doubt it? Ask your wife.
This isn’t about the liberal media anymore. This is about a man who seems to have made very poor decisions. The sooner Cain’s most loyal defenders realize the show is ending, the better.
I must regretfully agree. This behavior is certainly quite questionable. Unfortunate too as it just gives Romney more pull. Are these really the best candidates the GOP can muster? Honestly, with Obama and his record, it should be a walk in the park to beat him, but somehow, the GOP noms are struggling. The more and more I think about it, the more I feel the 2012 election is going to be lousy. It’ll be Obama against Romney. And if that happens, I’m either going to vote for the third party or stay home.
See there really ARE Obama supporters her at PJ Tatler! Staying home = reelect.
I’m sorry, but if it’s between Obama and someone who is full intents and purposes the white version of Obama, I’m just not going to participate. Romney is unreliable. He has proven that he’ll say ANYTHING to get elected. He doesn’t have any actual convictions. If we’re going to get 4 years of Obama either way, I’m not even going to bother.
Yes, “Romney is unreliable.” That means, for example, that he can be swayed—by a conservative Senate and/or a conservative House.
Obama, on the other hand, is reliable—utterly reliable. He will reliably take the doctrinaire leftwing viewpoint. He will reliably grovel to America’s enemies and bully America’s allies and treat them with contempt. He will reliably engage in racebaiting, class warfare, and sloughing off the blame for his failure on others. He will reliably engage in cronyism, handing out hundreds of millions of dollars to his favored supporters. He will reliably spend this country into oblivion.
I prefer Romney’s “unreliability,” unsatisfactory though it will be, to Obama’s reliability. I would prefer someone other than Romney, but given the choice between Romney and Obama, “unreliability” wins over “reliability” in a heartbeat.
Lesser of two evils – it’s the only test Romney passes for a conservative voter. Almost all politicians are politicians first, ideologues second. Voting is about selecting the least loathsome politician closest to one’s own ideologies. Romney is a slight improvement over Obama. A Republican executive is a massive improvement over a Democratic one. I am no fan of W, but he was a lot better than O.
“Yes, “Romney is unreliable.” That means, for example, that he can be swayed—by a conservative Senate and/or a conservative House. ”
When has a squish ever actually been persuaded to go against their real constituency, the press?
If Romney is the GOP candidate, we plan to emigrate before the election.
Before long, every other American with any brains, talent, ambition, and character will find themselves doing the same. The last one to go can turn out the lights and let the losers and the moochers and the Occupoopers stay back here to prey on each other and freeze in the dark until it’s all over.
There is always a land of opportunity somewhere in the world. Too bad it isn’t the US any more. If Romney gets into office, it never again will be the US.
Please. Where are you going to move to?
Greece? Italy? Germany? The UK?
Australia and Canada won’t have you without some compelling family reason or $1 million to invest (give or take). You can emigrate to Israel easily, if you are Jewish. Life is tough without Hebrew language skills, however.
It’s much easier to just vote for Romney.
Read Buzzsawmonkey’s post, above. He makes an excellent point.
By all means, leave. Take stupid with you.
Yet another Obama stalking horse chimes in. We’ll be seeing lots of that this coming year, but it ain’t gonna work. Priority #1: Obama goes.
Oh and p.s., by all means get the hell out of here, 1389AD. And take your goofy relations with you.
Just like all those Hollyweird types that said they’d emigrate if Bush was elected/re-elected? How many of them actually did, and how many are still here?
I wont try to argue with reason. Romney is a polished mccain.
“Romney is a polished mccain”
I disagree with this absolutely. The background of these two men could not be any more dissimilar. Do try to remember what our choices were in 2008. Who were you for? Huckabee? Why are you blaming Romney for McCain’s failures? It was not Romney who cut off his campaign to rush home to Washington to acquiesce to The Bailout (which Obama promptly seconded once the coast was clear). It was not Romney who took the bold step of selecting Sarah Palin for a running mate and then proceeded to chop the legs out from under her. It was not Romney who refused to play hardball with Obama’s Chicago mafia. That was John McCain and nobody BUT.
Romney was not my choice in this cycle, but I tell you this: He is not John McCain. John McCain is John McCain. Mitt Romney is Mitt Romney. Judge him on his OWN record.
Actually, I am beginning to look at Romney as the more conservative between Newt and himself. A few people have called attention to some very important things Romney did as governor that only a true conservative WOULD do. (Yes, I know about RomneyCare and his stands in the past, and I am not ignoring those, but there are some significant things that are NOT being stated in this campaign that SHOULD be!) Newt, on the other hand, talks the talk, then walks a different tune. I do NOT trust him. Yes, I’d vote for him over Obama, but I’d be disappointed with him at the top. Newt is a politician. He has learned WELL what to say, but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty, he will still act as the typical Newt, going along to get along, because it is all about retaining power, not about saving America.
What’s in a name, Tristram Shandy? Newt.
What conservative actions did Mitt take when he was the MA governor? I must have missed it.
Are we better off with four more years as the opposition to destructive policies, or four years in power with a wishy-washy president who will completely ruin the conservative brand with his own destructive policies?
That’s my big concern too. If Romney gets elected to the Presidency and lives up to people’s expectations by being utterly wishy-washy and doing very little of what is necessary to fix things, what happens in 2016? I can’t help but think the Left will say, in effect, “See? We tried it your way and we’re STILL in a distaster! Now, let’s go FURTHER Left because we know that’s going to fix EVERYTHING!”. We all know that this will persuade a lot of people, maybe so many that an even more radical individual than Obama will get elected.
Is there any chance that someone influential can go to Palin and persuade her to enter the race now that all the Republican candidates seem to have proven they’re not up to the job? I have to believe that she bowed out when she did because there seemed to be several strong candidates in the field, particularly Rick Perry, who I understand she considers a friend and political soul mate. That was probably reasonable at the time but things haven’t panned out the way people expected a few months back. Barring the sudden emergence of someone else that would be really electric, maybe someone should try to get Palin back in the game….
Failing that, can anyone think of any other high profile conservative that might be available? Is Rush Limbaugh even remotely electable? What about Jeb Bush? Or even his father?
Obviously I’m clutching at straws trying to keep the ultimate horror of Obama’s re-election from becoming reality….
I think you are laying out a false choice here, but beyond that, can *you* stand to look at Obama’s face for another four years after 2012? Can you *stand* to listen his phony cadences, and to listen to his endless bald-faced lies for another four years? I know I can’t. Sarah walked away from the challenge. And I understand her reasoning for that. There is no one left in the presidential pool that fires me up the way she did — she was the perfect policy fit for me. So I will just cast my primary vote and see what happens. There are plenty of things out there in the political realm that are every bit as important as putting Mr. Conservative into the Oval Office. We need to focus on the legislative branch every bit as much. We need to destroy the leftists and purge as many Rinos from our midst as possible. Keep it simple, kids. It is an imperfect world and and imperfect process that we must live with. Deal with it like adults and for gawdsake stop WHINGING! Things are miserable enough as it is. Go Tea Party.
That choice is easy after you figure out that one candidate is a communist and the other is not.
You can thank talk radio for people like this.
Mark Steyn was still bashing Gingrich AND Romney, just 30 minutes ago.
They are like little babies. 100% of what they want, 100% of the time, and if they don’t get it then they are damn well going to shit in the well. Maybe being blessed with the sumptuous lifestyles that they have, and the acclaim of millions makes them think that they get to define A to Z what the country MUST have, or else they are going to throw a fit and pull their pants down. And btw, the talk radio guys change their positions too. Four years ago, as just one example, they were for Romney.
Romney and Gingrich are more conservative than probably 95% of the country was circa 2005.
But this year, talk radio wants more.
It keeps the rating high, doesn’ it?
And it’s coming darned close to losing the election for the anti-marxists. If nobody is good enough for the self proclaimed guardians of conservatism preaching from their radio thrones, then enough people will just sit out, like the fool “Irony” and dozens of other fools who declare the same thing every day on PJ Media.
You remind me of the Republicans who caved in during the debt ceiling debacle. I’m tired of these lackluster pseudo-conservative candidates. As are many Americans. I hate to resort to not voting, but if that threat is what it’s going to take to motivate the GOP to find a strong candidate or to as least quit forcing guys like Romney/McCain down our throats, so be it. I’m willing to settle, but not low enough for people such as Romney. This isn’t about what the GOP establishment wants, this isn’t about what Fox News wants and this isn’t even about what pjmedia wants. This is about what WE THE PEOPLE want. And if I have anything to say about it, WE THE PEOPLE are damn sure going to get what we want.
yep, just like a baby.
Throw a fit if you can’t have every single thing you want.
Irony: You suffer, unfortunately, from the same malady as the “Occupy” rabble—the belief that what you want is what “we the people” want, simply because you want it.
Now, I happen to agree with you pretty much, from what I can see, and I would like enough other voters to agree with you to put over a thorough regime change next year. I intend to bend my efforts to convince others to join in working towards that end. But this infantile “if I don’t get my way I’ll take my bat and ball and my vote and stay home” attitude is not the way to accomplish what you profess to be your goal. What’s next? Threatening to hold your breath until you turn blue?
Representative government is a matter of compromise at the best of times. It may be entirely possible that a Mitt Romney is the most conservative presidential candidate that can be elected in a country that was willing to elect Barack Obama. That may be sad, but it is not a tragedy—if a conservative Congress is elected that steps up and does its job. It is the Congress, not the President, that is supposed to be the center of the government; a squashy-conservative President working with a solidly-conservative Congress might help us get back towards that.
It’s not the worst thing in the world; let the vast uneducated middle of the electorate see that a “conservative” President does not mean the end of all they hold dear, and let energy be spent educating that electorate in the true principles of this country, not the debased Howard Zinn version that Obama surfed to victory. This election is important, but it is not the only one; all it needs to do is reverse some of the worst trends of the last few years, and we’ll have time to do the rest—if the zealots and purists don’t decide to screw it up for everyone because they haven’t got 100% of their political Christmas wish list.
Actually I’ve heard the talk radio types saying that if/when Milquetoast Mitt gets the nod, then they will support him. Did you hear Steyn say to stay home today? I wasn’t listening.
one of the differences between the left and conservatives is that conservatives can criticize other conservatives. They will vote for Romney or Gingrich if that is their only choice.
When they stop criticizing then all the media has capitulated.
I have issues with both Romney and Gingrich although I think Gingrich is one of the smartest conservatives that we have ever seen in a primary.
yeh, they all say they will support a trash can, after they spend three hours trashing Romney and Gingrich for what they did or said five to twenty five years ago, both of whom are expressing agendas that would have been considered neanderthal right five years ago. The talkers have turned “rino” into the worst perjorative possible to call a conservative…then they call Romney and Gingrich rinos 20 times during one show, and point out every inconsistency or “impure” word they have ever said.
Great way to whip up enthusiasm to defeat a marxist who is on the verge of destroying a country, isn’t it? Almost Alinsky worthy, eh?
hey I’m totally against the marxist obama.
I don’t see Steyn as the bad guy.
Gingrich has done some really stupid things as has Romney. Gingrich has made amends for some of them (I agree with Thomas Sowell’s take on Gingrich’s recent immigration statement)
there is a difference between debate and alinsky …just because you may not like what some one says doesn’t mean they are equivalent with the democrats and alisnky.
I generally agree with you but not on this one
So to what do you attribute the approximate 10% of PJ Media posters who adamantly declare they won’t vote for Romney and/or Gingrich if they are nominated?
How did they develop this white hot hatred of the detested rinos? Was it the msm that has culled out the despised flip floppers? Perhaps is was MSLSD who revealed the depths of their depredations? Or perhpas the 10% have just studied Romney’s and Gingrich’s records and without a word of guidance, decided that the charlatans (i.e., the ex-governor of Massachusetts, wildly successful businessman, and turnaround artist; and ex speaker of the house responsible for the most successful conservative right turn in at least 100 years) deserve so much scorn that one couldn’t even hold one’s nose and vote for them.
Pardon me if I think it is the guys who spend 3 hours a day, every day, proclaiming their conservative purity from the radio mountaintop and heaping scorn on anybody who dares to disagree with them as rinos; after which they piously declare that the will, of course, support the nominee, no matter how awful he is.
They have championed all of the candidates who didn’t have a chance from the beginning, and slammed the two who did have a chance. They are now so full of themselves and their power that they are arrogantly putting the entire country at risk. Mark Steyn did it today, but Levin and Rush do it every day. I agree with them all 99% of the time, but they are on the verge of undoing years of good work in one fell swoop. The childish poster “Ironic” is just one of millions of their groupies, now furiously convinced that nobody but Palin (who probably isn’t as conservative as they think) or Cain (who CERTAINLY isn’t) is good enough, simply because those two have apparently memorized the Rush/Mark playbook and parrot it back without a glitch (unless asked for supporting detail). It’s all about the principals with our radio gods you know. That and their ratings, of course.
If you don’t like talk radio, don’t listen to it! There’s a little knob on the left or right hand side of your radio that will solve your problem. We haven’t even reached the first primary, but if your mind is made up for Romney then vote for him in your primary. The Ru Pauls can vote for him. We’ll see who wins, and it will probably be the one who has the best program for getting America back on the right track and who can articulate it clearly. If Romney can’t stand up to the questions about his record in the primaries and develop a message that unites the Republicans, the conservatives and the independents, how is he going to beat Obama, the mainstream media and the 46% who want to keep the Democrat gravy train rolling.
And stop whining about everyone who doesn’t agree with your conclusions. All you are doing is feeding the trolls on this thread who are trying to stir the pot for Obama!
proreason, buddy, I have to demand a Conservative candidate, else I will never get one. If in this election, with NeoLiberalism exposed for what it is, if I cannot get a Conservative candidate from the Republicans, then there is simply no chance of them ever giving me a candidate who represents me. We Conservatives have to be represented time to time by the Repubs, or forget it.
Just because their guy is not Obama, does not mean they get my vote. They have to give me something to vote for, not against. Not Obama is not enough for me.
It’s like the spending problem. I want real cuts, not just slower growth in the Leviathan spending. Cuts in growth are not cuts in spending. I want real cuts, period. I want real solutions, not slightly less-bad problems. I want different, not more of the same. If they offer me up yet another plastic, “moderate”, Party hack, then I will vote Constitution Party. Heck, I might even vote for Obama and help give them the defeat they deserve. We end up at the same place eventually, anyway. Might as well get it over with.
I am not being unreasonable. If they offer me Obama-lite as a kind of extortion, “Vote for our guy, or you’ll get Obama.” then I will spit in their eye, and vote for Obama. Conservatism means standing for something and standing against other things. I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees. Accepting Romney is surrendering. It means Romney is the best I can ever hope to get. I won’t accept that. Here is my line in the sand.
When ARE we going to get what we want? 20 years of listening to the establishment hasn’t gotten us anywhere. It’s time for the establishment to learn its place.
Proreason: “The talkers have turned ‘rino’ into the worst perjorative possible to call a conservative…then they call Romney and Gingrich rinos 20 times during one show, and point out every inconsistency or ‘impure’ word they have ever said.”
I got it now. No dissent will be tolerated under the big R tent. “Hey, you conservatives – sit down and STFU. We statists know what’s best. Just look at the utopia we’ve brought you so far.” Thanks for clarifying that. No wonder the party will soon be a thing of the past.
BTW, for someone who has a problem with talk radio, you sure seem to spend alot of time listening.
You’re NOT going to get everything that you want. Life doesn’t work that way.
You can demand until you are blue in the face, but the reality is that politicians have to get ELECTED, which forces them to appeal to other people besides little you. Unless, of course, the politician is Mark Levin’s fave Sharron Angle. And since little you doesn’t agree completely with anybody else, there is a built-in function to parse the requirements of millions and select the ones that make the person most electable. Hints: demanding the exportation of 25+ year illegal immigrants is EXTREME Ranting about Ponzie schemes is EXTREME. Demanding immediate flat taxes is EXTREME.
And I didn’t have a single issue with talk radio until they started trashing the only two guys who, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, are the two options standing between us and the abyss. In fact, for about 10 years, I felt like the talkers were the heroes of the country. Times change.
Or maybe you think 2012 is just another election. Demand Cain or nothing and you will find out whether it was. (and btw, you already made your demands on the republican electorate. Guess what? You lost.)
But fortunately, as I already said, both Romney and Newt are among the best candidates in the last 40 years and more conservative than the rightmost quintile circa 2005. Get real and get behind someone who can beat little lenin, or prepare youself for a lifestyle you couldn’t imagine five years ago.
Yeah Pro, I get it. You statists just won your little Pyrrhic victory. Congratulations. There are now no conservatives still in the running. Happy now? Believe me, I wish I could believe this: “two guys who, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, are the two options standing between us and the abyss.” I don’t believe for a minute that either one of them has any intention of reversing the country’s course. They’ve both either implemented or lobbied for the thing which is going to drive the final nail in our society’s coffin: socialized medicine.
Look, I’ve faithfully followed the Buckley doctrine for my entire voting life. I was a Romney guy in primary ’08. Back then we were in a position to recover from a quasi-socialist republican presidency. He was definitely the least bad choice. But unfortunately, given the turbo-charged, willfull national destruction of the current administration – which was brought to us by you establishment types nominating McCain in ’08 – it’s over. The Buckley doctrine is dead and irrelavent now. Our only chance this year was to go all-in conservative. Our country’s back is against the wall, and the savages are beating the door down. Compromise and half measures are not going to save us. We needed someone who would go to DC and wage all out political war on the commies, and neither of our two choices have the balls (or disposition) to do that. Obama is so weak and vulnerable that we could have done it. But instead, we’ve once again kowed to the media and northeastern erudites. Again, congrats.
I’m waiting for a thought from you that hasn’t been planted in your head by talk radio. Haven’t heard one yet.
And btw, I’m about the furthest thing from a rino you can imagine. I’m simply not an organization type of guy. I’m anti-pol by nature, and simply don’t join organizations. On the contrary, I’m on the 1% fringe of independents, and if there is a person who reads PJ Media with a stronger hatred of marxists, bureaucracies, statism, fiscal irresposibility, foreign affairs weakness, or Obama himself, I haven’t read him yet.
I was sort of for Pawlenty until he demonstrated he wasn’t compelling. Then I was briefly for Perry before he proved to be not up to the task. I was never critical of Cain until he published his brainless 9 9 9 plan. I have been not-critical but also non-supportive of Bachman and Santorum. I moved to Gingrich after Perry flubbed out, and have never advocated for Romney until people started acting like he is some king of Satan in a suit. I rarely criticize Palin, although I don’t believe she would be a strong candidate.
But I’m not a person to deny reality either, nor someone who lamenting about the past in the face of danger. And Obama is a mucho dangerous guy. The plain reality is that either Romney or Gingrich is going to be the nominee. Crying over spilt milk isn’t going to change it. And you know what, if a miracle does happen and someone else gets the nomination, I’ll begin writing about that person’s strengths rather than crying like a baby because I liked somebody else better.
And I don’t see how a conservative knocking either Romney or Gingrich is a smart thing to do. Unless, of course, you want to increase your ratings.
Citing these guys’ records is a statement of fact, not some thought planted by anyone. These facts are obtainable from myriad sources other than talk radio. As a matter of fact I rarely get a chance to listen to talk radio since I work on the phone all day. I have to keep looking over my shoulder to write these posts….
If you will recall, I joined this thread not to cry over spilt milk but to make an inquiry as to who in the talk world is advocating anyone to stay home. You then came out, both guns blazing against anyone being critical of the two candidates we have left, so back off on the cry baby crap.
Going forward from here? Frankly, I’m torn. My choices are 1. Trust that Romney’s merely a flip-flopper who now actually believes what he says and not a pandering, ambitious opportunist. 2. Vote for Newt because he claims he’s the smartest guy in the room. Forgive me if I take some time to mourn for my country.
Wow, this guy is revisionist second by second.
THIS is how you joined the thread: “No dissent will be tolerated under the big R tent. “
And you have the gall to bitch when I fire back?
Sorry pal, having no argument is not even close to “No dissent will be tolerated”.
My two points are 1) it’s down to Romeny and Gingrich, and 2) talk radio isn’t helping the cause of conservatism by consistently knocking the two viable candidates. I can’t see how either point is even arguable.
Your point seems to be the one repeated a thousand times a day (and dozens of times a day just on PJM): “we can’t let rino’s pick our candidate for us”. Well pal, sorry to be the one to tell you that your fellow conservatives have already winnowed the field for you. Repeating the line DESIGNED by talk radio hosts with the specific purpose of increasing their own audiences doesn’t change harsh reality. The true meaning of the line is “listen to my show, because only I will give you the truth”. But normally sceptical people know that isn’t true either. Neither talk radio, Fox news, msm nor rino’s has a monopoly on truth and none can pick the candidate, even though they all try. Modern communications has seen to that. The fact that Newt weasled his way into the hunt is proof positive of that.
Here’s where I joined genius:
“Mark
Actually I’ve heard the talk radio types saying that if/when Milquetoast Mitt gets the nod, then they will support him. Did you hear Steyn say to stay home today? I wasn’t listening.”
Nice try
you’re right. That’s when you decided to go ugly. If your point is nonsense, throw accusations around.
And oh yes, to repeat, after the heroes who own your brain have spent three hours going out of their way to trash the only viable candidates, you’re correct, then they piously say they will support the nominee. No better than than politicians, since it’s all about exciting their groupies to run up the ad revenue. They know, unlike their angry fanboys reading this, that the race is over for everybody but Mitt and Newt. But Steyn will get another few hundred thousand salivating listeners next time he subs for Rush. And, of course, he’s sticking with his principles. And if little lenin wins again? Well, the revenue stream will just get bigger.
Wow, you’re brilliant. You figured it all out. Damn! Back to the drawing board.
Take your prozac.
What is the word, what is it?
Oh yes, “drone”.
There are conservative drones just like there are liberal drones. A lot of them drone at PJ Media.
If you can’t dare to think a thought that isn’t approved by Mark Levin, you probably are one. If you still love Sharonn Angle, you’re a drone. If you say “I won’t let them pick my candidate for me”, you’re a drone. If you insist on voting for the most conservative candidate no matter how bad a candidate he is, you’re a drone. If you won’t consider letting a 25 year illegal resident stay in the country, you’re a drone. If you detest any candidate who ever changed a position, you’re a drone. If you think Rick Perry is an idiot for not building a fence in the middle of the Rio Grande, you’re a drone. If you insist that the only solution to SS is private accounts, you’re a drone. If you fall asleep dreaming of a flat tax, you’re a drone (that just happends to reduce your personal tax burden, not that it matters). If you reflexively insist that Herman Cain would never ever touch a woman, you are a drone. And more than anything else, if you say you won’t vote if Romney or Gingrich gets the nomination, you are a drone.
Keep yapping. It’s kinda funny.
“Keep yapping. It’s kinda funny.”
I can’t help but notice that you don’t have any substantial arguments to make.
I could rebut myself a hundred time better than you are able to do. You’re pretty much a foot stomper, aren’t you?
Which is pretty common with drones, even when they are on the right side of an issue. Get outside what they are programmed to repeat, and they can’t think. But you’re great at whining, Mark. At least that’s something to hang your hat on. You must be a role model to your children.
yap, yap, drone, yap, yap, yap, yap, drone, yap, drone, drone, yap, yap. This is getting more funner by the minute.
Well, you still got Rick Perry! He’s been waiting over there in the corner like a Texas wall flower waiting for someone to ask him to dance. I say nominate Perry.
If Perry learned this time that he has to prepare himself to be President before declaring, and that he has to get better at debating, he will be a stong candidate next time. This time, it’s over for him. And it’s a shame, because his policy proposals are probably the ones most likely to turn the country back to the values that have made it so great.
Sorry, Irony. I would vote for a microcephalic idiot against the communist, Obama. You should as willing. The stakes are very high this time.
You are exactly what the communists are hoping for, fool.
I agree. How in the world can these be considered Presidential Material?
I am resigning myself to another 4 years of Obama. Unless of course he declares himself potentate and cancels elections.
What would happen then is unclear. *sigh*
Whatever you do, don’t stay home. Even if you abstain from voting for President, make sure you vote for the downticket offices. We need to expand our majority in the House and retake the Senate, as well as win the State races, in order to minimize the damage Obama can do if he is reelected.
Don’t worry about that. I’ll definitely be voting to replace to out-of-touch representatives in my district. As far as the executive branch goes, the GOP had better stop this RINO enabler nonsense if they want someone in office.
IRONY: It’s called a primary, in case you missed that fine point. Vote for anyone you wish. Any of the pubby candidates can easily beat Obamma – except Cain and Paul maybe not so easily.
That is complete insanity! Just get the Hell out of Republican politics, join the Constitution Party or the Libertarians. You self-styled “true conservatives” are so nutty that the Republicans simply don’t need you.
Art, you really know how to win friends and influence people. Why don’t you just take your establishment victory lap, wipe the spittle from your lower lip, take a deep breath and try intelligent conversation to get your side of the issue across? Is that too hard for you?
Because you can’t have intelligent conversations with idiots; you “true conservatives” will vote for a effin’ communist before you’ll vote for somebody who isn’t pure as you define pure. The destruction of the Republic is on you idiots.
I have ZERO tolerance for the “i’m going to stay home or vote third party” crowd. I’ve also seen enough of them to know that you can always tell one, but you can’t tell them much. If somebody is so damned dumb that they’ll essentially vote for a practicing, avowed communist by staying home or voting third party, I do see how one wins or influences them.
Try decaff.
He gave her money for food in return for an occasional BJ. What is so questionable about that? Certainly not very presidential, but questionable? Nah . . .
As a conservative you are supposed to know better. We are on the brink of destruction. If pro-businessRomney ends up being the candidate it is your duty as an American to put aside ego and fantasies of the next Reagan and put your vote to who will be least destructive to our country.
Cain should hire a German lawyer to shout, “Nein, nein, nein!”
Then you really are an Obama voter. Got the “2012 – I’m In!” bumper sticker on your car, too?
Have we so soon forgotten that two of Cains’ other accusers were paid off, to the tune of 80K? Bless yore lil’ hort, Mr. Writer, but in addition to his wifful ignorance or stupidity, already evidenced, Mr. Cain has a zipper problem
similar to JFK, in which case we may fairly assume a genetic impetus.And he plays preacher, too, adding the element of hypocrisy. Its time for him to crawl back under his rock and eat another insect.
I take it you don’t know any businessmen in big cities. They are continually paying off false accusers.
Even if you don’t want to vote for President, PLEASE go to the polls and vote for the House and Senate. No one forces you to pull a lever at the top line.
I have said I would vote for Obama over Paul, but ater Hilary came out in support of persecution of religious Jews in Israel, I will even vote for Paul over either of them.
Mr. Adams,
This is a different beast then all previous accusations against him. All past accusations involve harassment claims from very questionable sources. I do not believe a single one of the harassment claims made up to this point. None of the accusers have given me any good reason why I should believe them. This issue is an apple and the harassment claims are oranges. This is an accusation of an affair from a potentially credible source. If Cain did have an affair with this woman he should be judged accordingly. But it does not follow that the past accusations of harassment are more credible as a result of this possibly real affair.
Clinton RAPED a woman and harassed several others, had several affairs, and he was elected President. Cain has been *accused* of sexually harassing some women, and the formal ones were dismissed. He has been *accused* of having an affair by a woman who has lost a libel suit, been evicted from her home six times, and is unemployed but making the rounds of the talk shows. And you want to give up on Cain?
It’s no wonder conservatives lose so much. You’re a bunch of wimps who wilt at the first sign of heat and get the vapors when someone is *accused* of something.
What is wrong with giving a woman money trying to help her out? Cain is a Baptist minister. Do you think he’s the only minister in the country who has give money to a (GASP!!!) woman in need without any ulterior motives? Geez, what a bunch of losers.
Enjoy four more years of Obama. You haven’t the stuff to fight for America.
You tell em brother! So far this Cain stuff isnt even real smoke, so dont be surprised if in this case too, there is no fire. I like that Block said only Mrs Cain or the American people can stop this candidacy
Will someone tell Governor Bob McDonnell to get into this race and take back Conservatism….PLEASE!
Will those of you who have been saying that all his accusers are lying Democrats admit that he can’t have been paying them all for years and they’re simultaneously Democrat operatives hired to prevent his candidacy?
Both can not be true unless the Democrats have a time travel machine.
Who the hell has Cain been “paying for all these years”? What planet are you from? Has anyone ever taught you how to read English?
Sorry, NotCoach. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. It’s over.
You would be correct if the sexual harassment accusers were claiming to have had affairs with Cain. But these are not related issues. There is a large difference between a cheater and a predator. And the accusations of predatory behavior have never been credible like the current accusation of cheating is. A reasonable and honest person would separate the two in their head.
Ultimately none of it matters though. Cain’s apparent ignorance of the world beyond our borders and his inability to surround himself with a competent campaign staff makes it unlikely I will vote for him in the primary.
The problem with your analysis is that it stops at a point too far forward. How did Cain come into his affair? It was by placing himself repeatedly into questionable situations where improper things could occur. I also do not believe the previous accusers, except that I think that they did spend time alone with Cain. Modis of operandi. It fits exactly, precisely with what the one woman said about him wanting to set up a dinner date alone with a woman in the audience of one of his seminars. So, yes, it does buttress their credibility at the cost of Cain’s.
This is really so sad. I’m a Perry supporter, but I am fully capable of sympathizing with other candidates and their families. I really liked Herman Cain for a while and considered him as my “second choice” for several weeks. How disappointing.
Assuming for the sake of argument that he was attempting to help her financially because she was out of work and destitute, desperate means that he gave her money (and there other perhaps less likely ways to help, such as in finding a job), how much did he give her, when and for what purposes? Was it $50 to go toward her rent or for food, or was it $1,000 for “favors” or to shut her up about past “favors?”
Regardless of whether Mr. Cain stays in the race, he needs to clarify the situation with specific facts rather than rely on broad statements subject to diverse interpretations. Otherwise, he has no political future in the Republican Party.
The “lady” in question, Ginger White, is “a divorced mother of two with a long history of financial troubles”. Where have we heard THAT before?
Some irresponsible skank is out for whatever money she can get, never mind how she gets it. Somebody out there whose pockets are deeper than Mr. Cain’s evidently gave or promised her enough money to go over to the other side. We may eventually find out exactly who paid her to commit slander, but by then, it will most likely be too late.
I am acquainted with many people who try to help others who are (or claim to be) in need. Sometimes that involves money, a lot of phone conversations, and other forms of assistance. It’s just plain indecent for us to assume that a sexual quid pro quo is automatically involved. If we have this attitude, then nobody will ever want to help anybody with anything out of fear of compromising their reputation. The upshot? Anybody who is genuinely in need will have to rely on the all-powerful government. Is that what we want?
Since when does giving money to help someone in need a bad thing? Listen to yourselves…I trust Herman Cain. Good people do this with no strings attached. I still believe that he is a good man, and honest…and I am a Santorum supporter if Sarah Palin doesn’t run.
It’s a bad thing when you cheat on your spouse, have sex with someone else and then continue to pay them money.
So she’s a “divorced mother of two”? Which of those two were fathered by Herman Cain?
At the moment, there are only three to four candidates who can fix the mess America is in. Forget this womanizer ‘stuff’…
1: We have Rick Santorum in the GOP http://www.ricksantorum.com/ .
2: We also have Gary Johnson in the GOP thinking about the Libertarian run.
http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/
3: We have myself, the only man with the full scale solid plans JL Mealer vying for Constitution Party, Independent or Americans Elect (any ballot access)
http://mealer2012.com .
4: We have Ron Paul who has a game plan,yet is blowing these “money bombs” on nothing we can see!(?)
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/
Every other candidate [other than Mrs. Bachmann and maybe Buddy Roemer] are insiders and nothing will change if they are elected.
Hermann Cain’s lobbyist ties with the Nat’l Rest Assoc and the Fed Res made him an insider’s insider and not a viable candidate.
of course, I’d like to be on 50 state ballots and POTUS until the Fed Res banksters and monopolies kill me off, but I’d leave you with a great VP.
mealer2012.com
You really think anyone cares enough about you to “kill you off”?
Well, J.L. , we do always have you to fall back on, don’t we.
Indeed we do. And Ron Paul, too!
There must be 9 hundred and 99 ways to screw (up) your love life..
And it appears that Herman Cain has tried every one of them.
I really don’t mind saying, “I told you so.” Cain has never been been, is not now and will never be ready for the job he supposedly (I still think this was a book selling “campaign” that just got out of hand due to the lameness of the competition) is running for.
And for all the “woman trouble” he has, it has kept everyone from focusing on far more troubling things about him, such as where all the money he supposedly raised for conservative candidates and causes in the mid-2000s went (hint: NOT to conservative candidates and causes, unless you count Cain’s jet-setting about the country as a “cause”) and the fact that his campaign financing may have been launched illegally by a couple of shady characters up in Wisconsin.
Whatever. Hopefully this latest bimbo eruption will get him out of race and will cause at least part of his lemming herd to move on to a real candidate and away from this scam artist.
*Sigh.* Tim Pawlenty should have stayed in the race. Bachmann flamed. Perry flamed. Cain flamed. Gingrich? Romney?
Yes Tim Pawlenty dropped out way to soon.
With that said, I still don’t see, how cheating on your wife disqualifies you from becoming president. What is the connection?
Has it ever occured to the Tatler’s contributors this media treatment of Mr. Cain (and other GOP candidates) is simply a repeat of 2008? The GOP primary voters technically chose the GOP nominee but, in retrospect, the media actual chose McRino. Now the inevitable candidate has emerged much earlier in the form of Mitt Rino and the media is doing everything in its power to force that choice.
I am a conservative independent and most definitely in the camp of “anybody but Mitt”…but if he does end up as the GOP nom I’ll vote for him since his destruction of the US of A will be slower than Obama’s.
The GOP collaborated with the media and the Democrats in 2008 to choose a loser and is doing so again this time around.
The GOP should not permit open primaries anywhere. Open primaries permit non-party-members to choose the party’s standard-bearer. This is wrong; you want a voice, be part of the organization.
Various state party organizations were falling all over each other to become the early, relevant contest which would knock out the loser(s) or choose the final-heat winner(s). This kind of selfishness serves nobody—not the voters, most of whom are cheated out of participation in the process, not the party, which is weakened by this infighting, and certainly not the nation.
The state party organizations should divide up the country into blocs or regions, so that several primaries of seven to twelve states each take place. The states thus aggregated should, if possible, include a mix of primarily-urban and primarily-rural populations, or of large- and small-population states. There should, in other words, be cooperation among the several states so that the candidates can most easily meet voters from all parts of the country, so that no one or two primaries are determinative (candidates should be able to have the time to recover from one or two errors or missteps), and so that as many people as possible have a hand in choosing the party nominee.
I like the bloc primary idea. The specific blocs should rotate (or start in the south and end in the north for weather purposes and to maximize turnout.
I would argue that instead of closed primaries, simply charge a $9.99 (Cain must have some kind of legacy to claim) fee for non-party crossover voters; the fee would fund the Party whose ballot was chosen. You might end up with Milquetoast vs. Milquetoast (other scenarios are many blacks buying Republican ballots to vote Cain and “win either way” or hispanics cock-blocking the most anti-illegal candidate; Hillary Clinton would have sailed into the general election with this option) but at least no far lefties.
Open primaries, closed primaries…it doesn’t matter. All Democrats have to do in order to vote in a closed Republican primary or caucus is register Republican for one day. And they will do it in droves this year, having been relieved of the necessity to participate in their own. “Our” candidate will not be our candidate at all. It will be the Republican Dems believe most easily defeated.
Get out the popcorn.
There is no excuse for any state with a Republican Governor and Legislature having an “open” Republican primary. The USSC made it black letter law that a party can control its selection method. That DOES NOT mean that the people of a state can be compelled to pay for that selection method. So, when you close a primary in a state with Democrat government, you risk their saying that in order to be a part of a state funded primary election, you must open the ballot to anyone who asks for it, and even in R-controlled states you risk a lawsuit seeking the same result.
None of this would break my heart anyway; I’m a fan of caucuses and smoke filled rooms where the people involved actually know something about government and politics.
“This isn’t about the liberal media anymore.”
Yes, it is.
They’ve sent better-sourced and more damaging stories about Obama down the memory hole, while piling on to this. The LATimes has a video tape of Obama in the company of anti-Israeli radicals, yet refuses to release it. They’ve buried what *REALLY* was preached by Obama’s “spiritual mentor”. They’ve buried the people he associates with, the goals he espouses, and the connections between his policies and the state of the country.
Yet this is treated as if it’s CRITICAL news, as if the world would stop if we didn’t know every detail of the latest accusation against Cain.
Sure, run with the story.
But stop trying to tell us it’s the ONLY story out there.
Rob
Thank you. The Obama media will go down in history as comparable to any propaganda coming out of dictatorships, past and present.
While we face tyranny Cain’s sex life gets all the headlines. If Cain had 50 affairs, I don’t care. When will Americans wake up to this nonsense. When wil we start demanding the media vet Obama like his radical communists Axelrod, et al vetted Palin.
Romney cannot beat Obama. Gingrich will be next on David’s hit list. Get ready for 4 more years unless the people rise up against the mainstream media.
Every network and cable news outlet has covered Cain, except for CBS and Fox, none have coverd Fast and Furious.Even Solyndra got mainstream coverage. The lesson; whatever they refuse to cover(Obama’s own liasons, dead Mexicans and federal agents)means there’s egregious crimes worse than the ones they are covering.
We have leadership at the FBI, DEA,DOJ and DHS who are so corrupt, the rule of law means nothing-that should scare the hell out of every American-but, hey, let’s give the mainstream what they want, more articles like this on Cain.
Yes indeed. The country is falling apart, but the most important campaign stories are that Rick Perry couldn’t remember what the voting age was, Herman Cain might have had an affair and can we please did up some dirt on Newt now?
This is what the media is focused on? Yet half the conservatives still seem blind to it and fall into lockstep going, Oh, No, now I can’t vote for (fill in the blank.)
Conservatives are mindless fools, with a few exceptions.
I don’t get it. If I just consider the information provided so far, I don’t see how this ends Cain’s candidacy.
Can we or should we compare the ease into office of such famed womanizers as Kennedy and Clinton? These tales weren’t based on rumors; these were facts.
With Cain, we have unproven allegations that ‘he touched me’ – a subjective and unprovable assertion.
With this latest, we have a woman making phone calls to a businessman (not a politician by the way) and his sending her money. Is that forbidden? Is that sexual? Is that…what..other than someone helping someone else, an obviously neurotic woman (the frequent phone calls).
How does that end someone’s candidacy for political office? What am I missing here?
Political immolation through innuendo is en vogue now (unless you are the O, and immune to such things)
If Ginger White were truthful and has decided to make a relationship public, she had all the means to collect ample evidence, like actual text messages or have a conversation recorded (as it is current – she says, she considers relationship off only due to the public interview). That she instead chose to make it a juicy ‘he-said/she-said’ kind of story makes it very suspicious. All she has to do is to save/show text messages, or call Cain and have the conversation recorded. Also amusing that with ‘lavish gifts’ from Cain, she is still served eviction notices so many times, and still no job that Cain could have helped provide? Once again, looks like part of a hatchet job (exploiting a 15 year old reported case), and no one can be immune to such hit jobs. There can be many motivations in a high stakes campaign like this – political/financial etc.
I agree. I would like to see the context of even one text, not just what times of day. I guess all the actual facts the “elite intelligentsia” have access to would just overwhelm us flyover folks, much better to imply and infer.
Right now Cain is still more palatable than all others besides Santorum, and of the two, I’d rather see Cain taking on the zero.
Time for a Perry resurgence.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/herman-cain-tells-cnn-another-woman-will-make-sexual-allegations-against-him/#comments
I’m pretty sure it’s a hatchet job. Turns out this woman has a HISTORY of being accused of libel (she even lost a suit) and a history of making frivolous law suits. In other words, just another money grubber just like the rest of the riff raff. Either way, Cain is screwed since everyone follows this “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” mentality, even when it’s clear that the smoke is being emitted from a smoke machine. Pity too. If Pain could have just developed his foreign policy knowledge, he’d be a great candidate.
This is either a fatal flaw in Herman Cain’s judgment and character, or it is one of the most despicable smear campaigns in presidential history.
If Herman Cain is innocent as he claims to be, one can only hope that his wife will find the strength and the courage to stand by him and support him in his run for the nomination. The greatest tragedy for our nation and its entire election process… would be an innocent Herman Cain forced out because of mere accusations orchestrated by the left.
If, however, Herman Cain is guilty of betraying his family for 13 years, he should simply do everyone a favor and withdraw from the race.
Between now and the election, there will also be an increasing number of leftist trolls posing as “concerned and principled” concervatives wanting nothing more than to dilute the vote or even split the vote with some 3rd party nominee… just so the “annointed one” gets re-elected.
I wish it were otherwise, but I really belive that America will not survive another four years of this administration.
Staying home, or voting 3rd party… is a vote for Obama.
Don’t fall for it, the future of all our loved ones depend on it.
People do make gifts, business people make gifts of money.
My husband has given another woman thousands of dollars to help her out, and she’s not close to destitute. Her husband fell ill, and his business expenses ended up tanking the family finances for a while. This money is ostensibly a series of loans, but I doubt there’s any paperwork involved. She’s family (a cousin) and I know about it, but I haven’t kept track.
This cousin, in turn, gives frequently from what she has, which is often her time, small amounts of money such as a bus ticket, and a ride in the car.
I, myself, have donated many thousands of dollars of my professional time over the years, simply because I could afford to do it, and the client had a worthy goal.
The well-to-do black people I know have been far more involved in what I consider personal, large charitable works toward friends and family than the whites. This may simply be a function of knowing more people having hard times. Or it may be that the white ones just never talk about it.
A big part of Christian values, and part of being a successful American, is helping others where you know you are doing some good. Many, many professionals make quiet donations to others. Businesses regularly are called upon to donate to one good cause or another. This is often called “sponsorship.”
So the real question I have is, why WOULDN’T a christian businessman have a history of sponsoring people? Are men only allowed to “lend” money to other men?
If this is what happened, this would have to be the most ungrateful recipient that one can imagine. Which is more likely? That Cain was helping this woman out, making calls in the wee hours of the morning out of concern for her? Or that Cain behaved the way a lot of men do who have money and power?
Sad to say, men’s eyes tend to wander, and often, other body parts follow.
Where do you guys get this crap? Do you just make it up as you go along? So far we know of ONE phone call made at 4:46 AM GEORGIA time. You know – about 10AM London time? And what the hell does one phone call at about 5AM mean anyway? Did it even occur to you that he might have been returning HER call?
As for ungrateful friends, I’ve known a few. That”s why, when I give people money I either tell them it’s a gift that they never have to pay back OR I get collateral (which I will keep until the loan is paid – I once became the owner of a VW bug that way, which I happily drove for a few years.)
This woman has been found guilty of libel in a court of law. What in God’s name would make you think she’s telling the truth now? Perhaps you just don’t like Cain to begin with, so you’re willing to suspend disbelief because you think it knocks him out of the race.
I’ve got news for you guys. Cain isn’t dropping out. Remember? “Ain’t gonna happen.”
Then Cain’s wife needs to come out right now and say that’s what was happening. If she doesn’t his campaign is over.
I disagree. It’s over either way. The impression is already in people’s mind. If she comes out (like she already has), people are just gonna say “Oh, well she’s his wife. Of course she’d help him. This doesn’t prove him.” Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
If Mrs. Cain signed some of those checks, then Mr. Cain is completely vindicated. The Narrative explodes. Suddenly, she is shown as another gold-digger, and the others get viewed as likely such, too. It is a huge win, if the wife’s name is on even a single one of those checks.
But now, it looks like Cain is preparing to fold his tent, so I guess it just doesn’t matter.
it is over because he did badly on those foreign policy questions.
To which answers do you refer? Please be specific, because his answers have been quite articulate, despite the media’s attempts to make him look stupid and uninformed.
Christian Adams. If you have cheated on your spouse, you should be fired from PJ Media.
“Cain Admits Paying Woman”
A tad sensationalist, isn’t it? “Pay” carries implications of giving money FOR something.
Perhaps “Cain confirms giving woman money” would’ve been a tad less provocative, and a tad more accurate? =0[.]o=
Yes, the title is unfitting for PJ. It puts this site in the same league as the NYT.
Now the conservatives quibble over what the definition of “Pay” is. Wow.
There’s nothing to quibble about. Do you (presuming you attend church weekly) “pay” tithes at church each week or do you “give” tithes? Legally speaking, payment implies a contractual agreement. Based on what Cain is alleging, the funds he provided were within the realms of charity/gift-giving, therefore not contractual.
It would appear the use of “pay” is perfectly appropriate in this circumstance. See Webster usage 2c:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pay. Notice that the term is appropriate even if Cain received nothing in return. If he DID tacitly receive something, then it is even more appropriate.
Hardly “quibble”–y’all chose a verb with a specific meaning. “Pay” denotes recompense for goods or services. You give money to your nephew for his birthday, you pay him for working in your shop, you loan him money to start his own shop.
No different than the NYT claiming “GOP slashes education funds” and then in the fifth paragraph we learn they voted to limit the increase in budget from 5% to 3%.
One doesn’t have to be a Cain supporter to object to such a snarky attitude. Are the liberal jackasses not nasty enough for you that you have to make this kind of innuendo? Shame on you!
I happen to know, Christian Adams, that you yourself have paid women on numerous occasions while traveling out of state. (Care to “quibble” about the meaning of that statement?)
Yes, the title is unfitting for PJ. It puts this site in the same league as the NYT.
I put my hand over my face and chuckled.
In your wildest dreams it puts PJ in the same league with the NYT.
But for it to be fitting for PJ it needs to ask if Obama is a traitor.
No need to ask; he is. But since unlike the Left, we here actually do believe in free speech, useful idiots like you are still here.
These allegations are just that but they do seem much more credible than the others. Why would a “friend”, who she must have been to have elicited so many calls from Cain, turn on him like this? Hell hath no fury is the only answer I can come up with. Not that in and of itself would cause me to abandon the Cain Train, hypocrisy aside. Cain just hasn’t convinced me he has a good enough grasp on the issues.
Well, well,well…it would appear that your conservative black dude has some skeletons after all. Still think he can unseat Obama? What a bunch of hypocrites on this site. I love the party of family values.
You will notice that he is no longer a serious contender for the nomination, because much of his support has melted away when it became apparent that he Democrat-like morals. If he were running for the Democratic nomination, this would not have been a problem, would it?
If he were running for the Democratic nomination, this would not have been a problem, would it?
Mendacious crap. Gary Hart much?
What makes GOP candidate takedowns such a fun national sport is simply that the GOP’s completely off-the-reservation idiotic social conservative bloc has bleated so much about christian values and family values etc that said takedown is loaded in delicious irony.
If I were a democrat I’d reckon the social conservatives as the gift that never fails to keep giving.
Since I’m NOT a democrat I can only pray for the ultimate demise of the social conservative voice. May it be swift, and may you all burn in hell for the damage you have caused.
Yeah, I am sure the communistic socialist progressive democrats really enjoy the fact that there is enough morality left in this nation to keep it from drifting quicker into the godless immoral culture that is required to allow them to effect the changes they want.
Yea, push out those social conservatives, the gop doesn’t need them anyway. They have votes to spare!
The political calculus for SoCons is simple, but most won’t accept it. The Republicans can be relied upon not to do anything TO SoCons, the Democrats can be relied upon to DO things TO SoCons. Unfortunately for SoCons, there really aren’t enough of them to justify doing anything FOR SoCons because the backlash is far too intense and electorally destructive.
You think you’re being all rhetorical and cute but the truth is that this is pretty much the case. The vast majority of american voters are centrist, and the majority of republican voters are likewise centrist. The social conservatives are the equal and opposite moonbat brigade facing off against the moonbat marxist malthusian green wing of the left. Social conservatives enjoy a louder voice than they deserve mostly because a) they’re usually so breathtakingly stupid that the MSM highlights these imbeciles as “typical republicans” for the laugh factor (“gawd told me to look upward and so I did”) , and b) those who were in charge of the GOP were too vapid to grasp that the MSM was pulling everyone’s leg: they actually believe what the TV says.
By and large social conservatives are aging white redneck pinheads living in tiny little towns and they’re (thankfully) dying off with fewer and fewer replacements. Said replacements are typically room temp IQ daughters with no reason for hope or browbeaten sons who aren’t suited for the real competition that takes place in population centres. There are no alphas in this sect.
Centrism is where the voters are. You want to win, these are the people with the votes. And rightfully so. The proper path is never following an ideological extreme. It’s pretty damn simple; it ain’t rocket science. Even schoolchildren know this. But seemingly you don’t. The social conservatives who want to run an ideologically pure “real conservative” candidate are the ENEMY of the republican party. That candidate cannot win.
You are the enemy. You are what elected Obama and/or worse, allowed this absurdly unqualified boob to become president. You may as well announce that you’re proudly democrat because that’s who you are working for.
Now, be all cute and say something else just as stupid. I dare you. Pinhead.
I’m sorry, but you’re going to have to explain what is hypocritical about the people on this site if they abandon him for poor moral judgement? (I am assuming that this allegation is true, which it might not be.) Mr. Cain would be exposed as hypocritical if he had an affair while espousing family values and rightly dropped from contention. Of course, if he’d just run as a Democrat, it probably wouldn’t have come out and, if it had, would not have affected his chances of securing the nomination. The hypocrisy is that Democrats are offended when he’s a Republican, but not if he were a Democrat, regardless of whether he is a hypocrite.
Well said! Maybe baby Trig is actually his son by Ms. White who was having a not very clandestine affair with Mr. Palin while Governor Palin was musing over how well she could see Russia from her front porch. Yeah. That seems about right.
regie love, larry sinclair …choir boys
Indeed…Herman Cain is known for blunt, straight talk…So the commentary is exactly as it should be…with all due respect to the subject. If there is a disqualifier here for high office…its this: Denying the truth. Herman seems to be stuck in this particular gear. When we hear him say “who you gonna believe…Me, or your lying eyes?”…we will know he has been in the race long enough to become a politician….Hopefully, he will go home to his wife of 43 years, and play with those grandkids….This gig has run its course.
I love the comments about all the women accusing Cain of having financial troubles. He was just trying to help them out with his “Johnson”. Cuz that’s what Jesus would do.
God, what an idiot.
You gotta ask a simple question: If he is being falsely accused by all these women then why isn’t he dragging them into court?
Vary hard for a politician to sue for libel or slander.
Go research “public figure libel.”
This is pure racist BS!!! Willie Clinton was in exactly the same situation yet the racist media refused to follow up (remember Edwards?).
A few bad decisions (if real and not manufactured) does not change the fact that Cain is a better candidate than Hussein.
In fact, there is not a single Republican “possible” that isn’t a better American or wouldn’t make a better President than the bozo we are stuck with now.
Keep you eye on the goal! Don’t let the leftist media select our candidate!
Anyone but Obama!
You don’t have a viable candidate to send up against Obama. You’re gonna lose the presidency, again. All the money in the world can’t help you. Next year, the DNC will run hard on the republican desire to cut SS and Medicare. Those old people vote. It’s a goddamn religion to them.
If the Republicans take the Congress to the extent they should, it will hardly matter whether the Golfer-in-Chief stays or goes—except for his ability to screw up foreign policy. The Congress will pull his teeth financially.
Of course, if things continue on as they have, the Democrats themselves will depose Obama as the candidate at the convention, if not before, because they don’t like him much either and in the end it is less important that he get a second term than that they get re-elected.
Can they count? The money’s not there and taking all the money from everyone who makes more than $250,000 won’t come close to bridging the gap. Printing money doesn’t work either so gloat all you want, another four years of Obama will destroy this country.
The fact that most people on this site don’t use foul language and stay on point without it, is one reason PJ media stands out.
As for old people, I am one, and would eliminate SS today if I could.
It’s good to be young, but it ain’t everything, or should I have said “all that”.
Today people talk about the elderly as if they were born that way.
I’m willing to bet that I’ve forgotten more orgasms than you’ve had.
Does that make me more important than you, it certainly does not, nor does your youth.
It appears to me that buying into the Darwin thing has led people to believe that they are the latest, greatest model. As if they are tech-no advanced.
Here’s some news for you. Your getting older.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/obama-personal-checks_n_1019501.html
Got problems? Tell Barack Obama. He can help. He might even give you money.
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Hmmmmmm….
C’mon, after the Libya question debacle, it was OVER.
The Anybody-but-Obama meme here is pushing a fair number of you to be essentially dupes. Too many of the people who say the things you like to hear are turning out to be so far from being up to the task, (and that is putting it mildly) that it should make some of you question the criteria you are using. One might say the same thing about the Dems who lusted after Edwards. Clinton, on the other hand, turned out to be a world class leader, even if he was a bit of a scoundrel. Ditto for Nixon, even though he had serious problems.
It is amazing that Perry and Cain have had such dramatic meltdowns, more surprising from Perry, than Cain actually, and those of you who lusted after Cain, must have had some judgment issues from the get-go. Is it finally sinking in that many of these guys are starting to make Obama look not so bad, unless you happen worship at the church of ODS. You might have better luck with LDS.
“I once worked for an elected official who refused to sit in a room alone with a woman without the door open so as to avoid charges like this. ”
That is exactly what I have been saying. Somehow or another, good morals are no longer a part of our society. Cain was the only person in the world that could have prevented the charges, and unfortunately for him, it would have required him to have at some point before this to have instituted just exactly that kind of purity space. Even if these charges came up, he would have the ability to say that he failed as a pastor in the past, but has repented of those failings and is has worked to ensure he does not fail again.
Any pastor knows the idea of attending your life such that you are seen fully above reproach. In fact, the bible says that all pastors should be at this level just to be a leader in the church. I do believe him on the first 5 accusers, in the fact that he likely did not harass or otherwise have sexual relations with the women, but I also believe that he placed himself deliberately into compromising situations for a nefarious need or desire he has. I find it hard to believe though that he flew this woman around the country to stay with him and never fell into it being a sexual affair.
I liked Cain’s lack of political correctness but apparently hs is not a good judge of character or is too trusting. I think he should do some soul searching and think of how, in today’s world, his actions may give the wrong impression. I think his wife, who apparently lives her own life and does not participate in his, should do some soul searching also. He needs someone to serve as a hostess and to accompany him to various activcities. Perhaps his daughter or daughter in law could serve in that capacity.
– please release all your records.
Considering all politicians are whores, I find this pretty funny in an ironic kind of way.
If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a housing project, you never know what you’ll find.
For the GOP read Deem’o'crat lite. In the same way that UK does not have any Political Party, apart from on the fringes’ that is NOT Socialist(or in US parlance Communist). The USA has two Parties that basically do exactly the same, spend the same way, govern the same way and allow the Statist entitlement benefit boondoggle to continue in the same way when in DC. No matter what they say and promise on the stumps. The only difference is in Hussein, a document hiding usurper,the Deem’o'crats have a ‘man with no history’, just a lying deceitful autobiography, At least you know that the “in the Democrat Tank” Lame Stream EneMedia, will have given any GOP candidate and all his relatives and associates, real and imaginary,a full anal examination. Something they just could not bring themselves to do to the Messiah.
Rumor has it that Herman Cain is developing a new pizza specialty… It tastes like TOAST…
adulterer or socialist
one wants my wife and the other wants everything I have including my wife
So, what does your wife want?
How many times has Cain cheated on his wife?
9 9 9!
What does trouble me about Cain is the way he has mishandled this smear campaign. Whoever ends up as the candidate will be up against the most thuggish and duplicitous political machine in modern politics. Namely, the boys from Chicago. The only way to deal with them is to bring a gun to the knife fight.
IMO Cain should have gone on the offensive after the very first accusation. He should have unleashed a pack of lawyers directly suing each accuser of defamation of character. That he has not done so makes the idea that where there is smoke there is fire more credible. Too bad, for a while there I thought we had the equivalent of Palin surging to the top of the pack.
“This isn’t about the liberal media anymore.”
Its all about the liberal media.
“Drag a $100 bill through a trailer camp and there’s no telling what you will find.” – James Carville
Congratulations for doing the job for the liberal media!
I’m still supporting Cain, and haven’t seen any evidence thus far to doubt him.
And yes – the headline appears to have been written by a man desperate to thin the field because he’s worried about support for other candidates. Period.
Cain’s a minister. His wife knows the serial accuser. She’s taking an established relationship and using it to her advantage. She has a history of being a fraud. In court.
No matter how many “stick a fork in him” and “he’s not serious, dammit!” columns that pundits write, Cain will enjoy significant support until he actually leaves the race.
Because we believe him.
Oh, and I’d like to add that I’m not voting for “the leader of the free world.”
I’m voting for POTUS.
There’s a big difference. The POTUS should be the leader of the free world by default due to the exceptional performance of the US.
“The POTUS should be the leader of the free world by default due to the exceptional performance of the US.”
Some would say that you’re living in the past: “that was then and this is now”. America has been the moral and financial center of the free world in the past and maybe it deserves to be that again but Obama has certainly reduced its capacity to claim that it is the leader of the free world today.
We can’t rest on our past glories forever. Europe tried it and look at how it’s sliding toward the edge of the cliff….
Ah! What we have here is a failure to communicate- on my part.
What I was trying to say was that I believe that we need to focus on repairing ourselves before we can presume that our President is “the leader of the free world,” regardless of whether he is or isn’t.
I believe that Cain’s a guy that won’t give a rat’s patooty about what he’s “supposed” to do if elected, and will get down to the business of downsizing and streamlining government. 999 is only a plan, but it’s (not to be cliche) the only plan that I’ve seen that’s BOLD enough to take steps toward REAL economic recovery domestically. We need drastic change, and it’s not going to be easy. It shouldn’t be easy for ANYONE, as we’ve lived beyond our means since WWII (as the fine writer of this article described in an earlier piece.)
A healthier economy leads directly to better standing in the world. Saying that we need to a elect “the leader of the free world” puts the cart WAY ahead of the horse, IMHO. It shouldn’t even be a consideration, unless the person is irreparably stupid. I don’t see that in Cain. The worst “gaffe” he made was the Libya thing, to which he eventually gave an acceptable answer. Troubling? Slightly, but certainly not disqualifying.
Too many questionable situations indicate the man has lived a careless life. At this desperate time for our country we can’t survive someone with a lot of unknowns in his background. Already suffered through that with Barack Hussein Obama and a second dose of that will send us over the cliff.
What kills me is most press people agree on the fact that Cain “handled” it horribly, or “managed” it badly.
Most of our presidents and founding fathers had a wondering one “eye”. Goldie Hawn was dancing on national TV in 1968 in a bikini for chr*sts sake! You conservative prudes are eating your own, you’re morons. Cain was and is the only chance to make real change by exposing to the people government wrongs in a way no other candidate would have been able to. Like when blacks are questioned about profiling muslims, they don’t care and it is refreshing.
God bless Herman, I hope the rest of his life is cool after this. I would sure like to obtain the cell phone records of the “victims” for the last 6 months, now that info would be the real story for a journalist-Hah!
Thats all I have to say about that.
1. Cain needs to drop out.
2. We all need to support whoever our candidate is.
3. Anyone who stays home on election day is no patriot.
PS Even if you think our candidate is only Not Obama, Not Obama does count for something. Quite a lot, in fact.
We all need to stop whining and pining for the perfect candidate and get our priorities straight. First and foremost is to make sure Obama is not re-elected.
I dunno. I dunno really anything about Cain that makes him stand out as exceptional to be the conservative flag bearer. If you ask his supporters, they just say he is the most conservative candidate we have. If you watch his videos, it takes days to learn anything, and most of it is nothing but the same speech over and over and over again with a different back ground and the only policy being 9-9-9 which has become nien-nien-nien. Six weeks ago I was hoping to know who Cain really was, but the debates gave little evidence of strong conservatism, any time he is off prepared text he has so many gaffes I end up not knowing what he really thinks or where his judgement really is, as it could just as easily be deliberate fumble, wait for the crossfire to settle and see what the majority think he should have said and say it.
That made it easy for me to discard him, as I never joined the Cain train. I never believed the accusers, until this one, but I also never believed Cain about there not being anything inappropriate.
Why are Cain supporters so disgustingly rabid and yet so totally incapable of having a cut and paste text file that tells you his positions and when he last said so?
The Cain Train has derailed. Thank goodness. I believe he is an undeserving recipient of the benefits of discrimination in the workplace, euphemistically known as Equal Opportunity. To me, he seems arrogant and has a shifty look in his eyes. He has always hit me as a bull sh*tter, and his performance when asked foreign policy questions confirmed that for me.
A true conservative will never again be elected President. Over half our countrymen/women are leeches and less than half are the host that is being killed off. Immigration to other countries is not an option for the middle class. The only solution is civil war and Galt’s Gulch. I don’t think we have the guts for this, especially because our youth are part of the entitlement problem and most true conservatives who have a lick of sense are white-haired brave but old lions.
“But sorry, when a presidential candidate, already facing charges from numerous directions regarding questionable behavior, THEN admits paying one of the accusers, we’ve reached the end.”
I’m sorry that I missed the part where PJ defended and supported this conservative candidate. How do you reach the end when you never began?
Frankly, I do not believe Mr. Cain’s intention for entering the race was to become the President of the USA. I believe he entered to sell his books and to be available to be selected for some important job in the government by the newly elected GOP president in 2012.
The latest woman to pop up and state she had a relationship with Herman for many years may or may not be true. However, the fact that Herman said he was helping her financially is the red flag. Most men who “help” desperate women financially don’t expect to get their money back, but they do expect sexual favors and this women was more than willing. Mr. Cain talks the talk, but obviously doesn’t always walk the walk.
Why did Cain ever think he could win the nomination if he had this kind of baggage? What a complete waste of time and effort.
While it may be true that Cain needs to drop out…your headline is horribly misleading. Giving money to someone is not “paying” them. You imply this was some sort of hush money…of which you have no proof.
One thing to take into consideration… If we end up with sufficiently large (filibuster-proof) majorities in both house of Congress, and we likely will, then it doesn’t matter so much who the President is. He won’t be able to veto.
For this reason, none of us should stay home on election day. There are other races which need to be voted on besides the President!
Other than elections, every other instance that requires voting involves a choice between “Yay” or “Nay” – i.e., voting FOR something or AGAINST something. And there is absolutely no rule anywhere that states that voting in elections need be any different.
Right now, our nation is reeling from several critical wounds – e.g., deficit spending, increasing debt, ObamaCare, regulatory overreach, etc. – that require IMMEDIATE stanching. As such, my primary concern in this election is to vote for WHOEVER will at least put pressure on the wounds so as to slow the bleeding. The only question is which party’s candidates are most likely to do so.
During the ObamaCare debate, even the so-called “Blue Dog” Dems showed their real colors – they are ALL progressive Leftists to their bones. And they will tax and spend this country into abject ruin if they are allowed to. All of them! End of story! Period!
Therefore, in this election, my primary motivation is not in voting FOR any particular Republican…my primary motivation is in voting AGAINST every Democrat I can, from the President to my local dogcatcher.
Neither Romney nor Gingrich is a conservative in any sense of the word. They are completely reliable in having absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with ideology. They’re not politically conservative by a very long long long distance. They’re not socially conservative but tend to make socially conservative sounding arguments in favor of more government power. Oh, fiscal conservative? They don’t “spend” as much, they “invest” our money in public private partnerships (pork) instead, in ways we never get it back. They’ll sell their own mother and won’t care about the consequences. The corruption and RINOism has gone on for decades and the Republican Party is at present, unable to field a viable candidate. There appears to be no hope this presidential election. Might as well pick a cool third party and make your point. Claiming to be the lesser of two evils isn’t good enough anymore. (If you’re still falling for that, stop it please.) Evil is still evil and it keeps causing immeasurable damage no matter which party label is used.
“Evil is still evil” And to think that I thought it was politics.
Be careful, stupid is still stupid. When you are dealing with issues of 1-5% changes in numbers to make the economy work or not work, or to be “socialistic” vs “free” and you want to talk about “evil,” you have pretty much given up any claim to being clear thinking.
Such “thinkers” would, alas, definitely be ready to vote for Herman. GWB and Obama have both had their “embarrassing” moments, but one fears that people like Cain, and maybe Perry and Bachman would take those moments to a new level, and one that would NOT bode well for us. Generally competent Presidents like Nixon and Clinton ceased to be able to function after the disgrace came, and one would see that coming very early on for some of these folks.
[The corruption and RINOism has gone on for decades and the Republican Party is at present, unable to field a viable candidate.]
And as such, it will take more than 1 or 2 election cycles to get solid, small-govt, Constitutional Republicans elected so that they can rise through the ranks and run for the Presidency.
[There appears to be no hope this presidential election.]
With 9% unemployment and Obama’s approval rating amongst independents at around 30%, that’s just dopey.
[Might as well pick a cool third party and make your point.]
Yeah, if your point is to ensure that your vote helps to re-elect Obama.
[Claiming to be the lesser of two evils isn’t good enough anymore.]
In the lead up to WW2, Western powers were faced with a choice:
1) Attack a country that hadn’t done attacked them (the lesser evil)
2) Do nothing
How did that work out?
The only thing you flawed logic ensures is that the greater evil will win.
[Evil is still evil and it keeps causing immeasurable damage no matter which party label is used.]
And so the answer the answer is throwing your hands up in defeat? Or futile “I’ll show you!” votes for nothing?
Do not jump so fast to a conclusion. Numerous American People help friends during hardships. The core of a friendship is not always based on sex.
Reasonable people allow friendships to exist in a healthy relationship.
The other gender has been my choice of friends for 50 plus years, my husband trusts me & rightfully so.
These kinds of relationships have no strings attached. Only the enjoyment of
living life & being free to laugh, joke, enjoy the garden, or just enjoy a cup of coffee, without saying a word.
When trust, love and alliance are at the core of your marriage…other friends are just that: Friends
If you have not acquired a sound relationship with your mate…this will fall into the category, many of you describe.
Hercey
Many of our fellow bloggers evidence a contempt for both the facts and logical thinking. Some might be too stupid to understand. Or too lazy to learn and evaluate the facts. Some may be averse to thinking, per se. Yet these people are allowwd to vote, to operate motor vehicles, to reproduce, to own firearms, to enjoy military careers, to publicly express their stupidity/ignorance.
Perhaps we would fare better with a more intelligent and virtuous electorate?
Great article — you nailed it!
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