January 26, 2011 - 7:42 am
We are winning! We are winning!
It is website of Zionist pigs Debkafile with nothing but lies lies lies- but they are like clock, no?…. right two times day… This time they report scum Mubarak family fleeing Cairo for London. May they rot in eternal imperialist Hell of British dogs and never allowed shop at Zionist store Marks & Spencer (very good buys in sweaters, by the way).
If true, this is terrible news. As bad as Mubarak is what comes after him is far worse, The Muslim Brotherhood, which is Hamas.
At the time most Russians were happy to see the Czars overthrown.
God help us all.
Mubarak ( known as “the pharaoh” to the locals) hasnt left, neither has the family. If such a thing were to happen, it would happen on Friday. Right now the situation has moved from demonstration to rebellion. Mubarak has responded by shutting down cell phones, he is now moving to shutting down internet services. Latest info is that electricity is next. Gaza is the hot center of the battle at the moment.
This story will be settled before Saturday.
Things to watch between now and Friday:
- Gaza (underway)
- Electric Power to Cairo
- Army taking sides or remaining “neutral”
- Call for Curfew ( interesting that there hasnt been one yet)
- Who controls the bridges over the Nile? The street or the Police?
Thursday street activity. Thursday is like Saturday night in the west. If the “rebellion” is still going strong then Thursday will show it. If its quiet, it will have effectively be burned out by that time. If its still noisy, then its over for Mubarak.
- Border crossings to be shut down. Airport to close to incoming traffic. That will be the sign that the gig is up.
Its not Mubarak that is controlling the pace of this battle. Its the entrenched egyptian bureaucracy and civil service that is fighting for its life. If they start to feel that standing with the government will end their careers, then its over.
I thought Marks and Spencer was owned by the arab whose son was dating Princess Di at the time of the unfortunate event.
Harrods. Al Fayed.
Getting multiple reports from all over Cairo that the CSF are consolidating their forces. This is a very telling sign that they are losing the battle.
6th of October bridge and Garden City bridges in the hands of protesters.
The men’s briefs at Marks and Spencer are also a good buy because they last so long. As for the Muslim Brotherhod for various reasons they aren’t universally loved. They’ll try for a take over but they aren’t what they once were. I hate to make predictions about Eygpt but eh, 50/50. Eygpt may be Arab and Muslim now but it has been a nation for a long time. It is not a cobbled together hodge podge of different tribes stuck together by Europeans or Turks like some of the countries in the Middle East.
Now Tunisia and Egypt have been seized by popular revolt. So it is probably time to dust off our ancient copies of “Revolution 101.”
Case 1: The French Revolution. It began with a popular revolt, and rather quickly descended into bloody murder. The person with the most desire for power (Napoleon) took over.
Case 2: The Russian Revolution. A popular revolt installed a democratic government, but the people with the most desire for power (the Bolsheviks) took over.
Case 3: The Iranian Revolution. A popular revolution turned the government over to Khomeini.
Case 4: The Chinese Civil War and Revolution. Mao and his gang took over.
I am absolutely amazed by the number of people who romantically believe that these popular revolts will result in something like the Constitutional Republic of the USA. I would guess that Tunisia winds up with a military dictatorship, and Egypt winds up being ruled by the freeping Muslim Brotherhood. But that’s just a guess.
The main thing I don’t see in these revolutions is any future leader.
If people rise up in revolt with no clear idea of what they want in the future, it is guaranteed that they will wind up with a Surprise.
I say this as someone who genuinely loves Tunisia.
How smart are you!! Bravo, you speak the facts. How dumb are people, especially those in the Western Free World.
In a nutshell! Well said!
Claire Berlinski is right. The number one thing most Egyptians despise about America is that we support Mubarak and help keep him in power. They really hate us for this (and with good reason).
Mubarak and his family are very Soeharto-like in the manner of how they stay in power and their corruption and they are despised for the same reasons. They even manage their elections the same way Soeharto did his before he left power in 1998.
Its time that Mubarak goes away as well.
“Claire Berlinski is right. The number one thing most Egyptians despise about America is that we support Mubarak and help keep him in power. They really hate us for this (and with good reason).”
The Egyptians should consider we will not cut our own throats, which is what we’d be doing to support the “Arab street”, when the Arab street isn’t hanging the Moslem Brotherhood from the lamposts.
They reject the Islamists, we reject Mubarak.
Look, They hate us if we “meddle” in their affairs and they hate us when we dont. Those that are predisposed to dislike us, dont need a reason, they just do.
Yes, we support Mubarak, he and his government are by word and treaty, allies. Is there an alternative to doing this? no. I dont mean is there someone else, I mean is there a government in place that we are bound by treaty and action to support?
no. ( not yet anyway)
Should we foment revolution in the streets of a sovereign nation, albeit one who operates as an ally? ( allowing Israel and our carriers to pass through the Suez Canal without provocation? Yeah, that sort of thing comes in very handy )
all so that we can show solidarity for “the people”?
You know, that sounds good, but the practical reality is that if you do that, or even if you are suspected of doing that, it tends to cause people currently in charge to not return your phone calls, which doesn’t help anyone.
Yes, we support the Mubarak government. I can also tell you that 20 seconds after he is gone, we will support whomever takes his place.
Hands will be shaked, cheeks will be kissed, checks will be signed.
We will that is, unless and until the new government show themselves being in violation of treaty or no longer operating as an ally. Once that happens, then yes, we can go about subverting them as a government in the time tested fashion.
Yes, Mubarak is a dictator, but we have seen many many times that revolutions dont always result in better, more humane governments. Its entirely possible that this could go all “pear shaped”, in fact, its more likely than not that it will.
While it increasingly looks like Mubarak is done, no one can say which way this is going to go and until we do, we as a government, will take a mild middle of the road wishy washy approach.
If this is a velvet revolution like in Eastern europe, and some real democratic leaders take over, this could be great. Unfortunately it is far more likely that Muslim Brotherhood fanatics will take over, and then things will be much worse.
I don’t think it’s an accident that all this Arab unrest is happening right after Stuxnet set back the Iranian WMD program. Iran is fomenting these crises to move their lackeys in Lebanon and Egypt into positions of control on Israel’s borders.
Don’t be surprised if we soon see major riots in Jordan, too.
If that succeeds, Iran will probably launch a very concerted proxy war from all 3 sides against Israel.
Look on the bright side: If the MB takes over, aid to Egypt can be pulled, improving our budget situation a teensy bit.
There are no signs that this is an MB move or an Iran move. The street is every bit against those two groups as they are Mubarak. This street wants what we have in the west. This is a secular revolution through and through.
Egyptians, particularly the Cairene are rather cosmopolitan and not interested in any way in returning to the 12th century. Note that this rebellion is in large part made up of women, something the MB and Iranian folk would be against.
What we see now is Mubarak has just watched his populace move from protest to open rebellion and he has yet to call for any curfew. The reason for this is that he doesnt have enough security forces to be successful with that and the only thing worse than having a “clamp down” is having a clamp down that does not work in restoring order. Remember the basic rule of power; That you are only in charge as long as people think you are in charge.
At this point the only way to make a curfew stick is to call in the military, who as we note, are still standing neutral in this uprising.
Which leads me to this conclusion; There is a schism opening in the various branches of power in Egypt and its now time to open our history books to the chapter entitled “A house divided cannot stand”.
I don’t know who will run the next government, but I have a suspicion that he will be wearing a uniform.
Frank -
the Iranian revolution was also heavily composed of women. The Mullahs had prison guards raped them prior to execution to avoid the Islamic tenet that a virgin will always go to heaven.
American Revolution, French Revolution – different on so many levels.
Iranian Revolution, Egyptian Revolution – different on so many levels.
So Mubarak falls and the Islamic nuts take over, suffocating Eqypt in a theocratic dictatorship that does what theocratic Islamic dictatorships do; bankrupt the nation and utterly discredit themselves.
They have to go through this phase, like the Iranians have, muslims have to actually live under the mullas to understand Sharia doesn’t work. There is no other way. They are too culturally stupid to figure it out any other way.
So this is necessary. It’s no big deal. Throw out the crooks, suffer under the Mullahs, and maybe in ten years or so these wretched, ignorant, contemptible people will be ready to try democracy, out of sheer desperation, if nothing else.
I have it from someone inside Egypt that demonstrations are planned for Friday after midday prayers …ALL OVER Egypt. Wish them luck. As twitter is down and nobody knows how long facebook and other sites will be up they ask anyone to repost this who wants to help.
When Mubarak goes, so much for that enduring Israeli peace treaty with Egypt. Not that anyone in power will bother to draw any lessons.
Nooo! Just suzan moubarak, gamal moubarak with his wife and daughter flee to london! But president hosni moubarak is still there :s
Funny how you people spout about “freedom” and “democracy” yet support fat dictatorial scum like Mubarak, Suharto, Videla (now in the slammer, I am happy to say), Mont, Pinochet, Kissinger (Pinochet and Videla’s best friend ever), Baby Doc, Amin, Stroessner the list if absolutely bloody endless, and is very bloody.
What is the American government doing meddling in FOREIGN COUNTRIES? Expanding the government outside its own borders is statism, Stalinism pure and simple, the Big All Powerful Government sticking its nose into the lives of people across the world.
As Ron Paul has said, who other nations elect as their leaders is none of America’s business.
If you believe the US has the right to interfere in the governance of foreign nations, then you are Big Government Communists, you worship the power of the government and want more of it.
That pink shirt is atrocious with those stomach acid yellow pants. Just saying…