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Sympathy for the European Devil

February 16th, 2014 - 7:24 am

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European Parliament President Martin Schulz provoked an uproar last week in a speech before Israel’s Knesset, citing in passing a Palestinian claim that Israelis get four times as much water as Arabs in Judea and Samaria. The Jewish Home party delegation (led by my favorite Israeli politician, Naftali Bennett) walked out on the German politician in protest; Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz called the protest “disproportionate.” In this case I think Steinitz is right: Schulz is not an anti-Semite. He’s the sort of German who loves Israel in a peculiarly German way. By and large, Germans do not hate Israel; on the contrary, they love to love the Israeli left. They really, truly, sincerely want to be philo-Semitic (that brings to mind the old definition of a philo-Semite: an anti-Semite who likes Jews). The Germans are post-Christian and post-nationalist. In more than forty years of traveling (and occasionally living) in Germany I have not met a single German who can abide religion, except for full-time clergy. Their experience of nationalism, like the experience of most Europeans, has been unrelentingly horrible. They cannot help but identify with the “post-Zionist,” existentially addled Angst of the Israeli Left.

Zeruya Shalev, the Israeli novelist who dissects the disordered lives of disappointed utopians, is a bestseller and a cultural icon in Germany. Her last book was the subject of a gushing review by Adam Kirsch, book critic for the Jewish webzine Tablet and a stalwart at The New Republic. Every major German news publication has profiled or interviewed Ms. Shalev. In 2011, the popular weekly Stern asked her whether the then-ongoing “social justice” protests portended a “New Israel,” that is, an Israel more to the liking of Stern and Ms. Shalev; the Israeli writer was hopeful. The German interviewer simply took for granted that Stern’s readers would identify with the lefty literati against the Netanyahu government. Shalev writes the sort of introspective fiction that I find less tolerable than gum surgery; the great Israeli novelist in my view was the Nobelist S.Y. Agnon, whose masterwork Only Yesterday is not available in German translation. It is a wrenching, difficult book first published in Hebrew in 1945, and I am not surprised that the German public would avoid it. Today’s Germans have sensibilities hardly distinguishable from those of Adam Kirsch and prefer the Freudian meanderings of Ms. Shalev. (Of course, I’m the wrong person to ask about such things. I don’t like fiction.)

The socialist utopians of the Israeli Left cling to a vision of Israel as a nation-state like any other, liberated from the notion that there is anything special about the Jews. Israel in this view should become a Levantine Belgium or Holland, dissolving into the postmodern cultural muck with its European peers. As Israel becomes more Jewish, and more religious, and its continued success draws an ever-sharper boundary against the failed states that surround it, the utopians go into panic. To salvage their position they propose to ally with the Europeans, the way that Antipater of Idumaea allied with Pompey the Great to establish the Herodian dynasty. For background on Pompey, I recommend Lucan.

Here, for example, is journalist Ben Caspit writing in Al-Monitor:

For 40 years, Israel has entrenched its hold on the West Bank, in a belief that the problem would resolve itself somehow. It hasn’t been resolved. We can’t continue to fool everyone, all of the time. At some point, we will have to make the difficult decision, and undo this Gordian knot, not to be dragged with it into the depths.

It seems that as time passes, our ability to reach this decision is diminishing. As time passes, it turns out that we might need someone, or something, that will force it on us. And so, I don’t think we need to call on the Europeans to boycott us, but if and when they do so, we will be able to understand their position.

Of course (as Caspit observes) Kerry is using the Europeans to threaten Israel with boycotts. Does that mean Kerry is an anti-Semite, a charge that his Jewish brother bitterly disputes? It brings to mind the old Viennese joke: “Anti-Semitism was getting nowhere until the Jews got behind it.” Suffice it to say that the Israeli Left hopes that Kerry and the Europeans will batter Israel into a peace deal. Anti-Semitism is not the issue, unless we want to call the Israeli left anti-Semitic.

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The Covenant is a mutual choice: God chose Abraham, but Abraham also had to "choose" God. There is an extensive rabbinic literature attempting to explain through parable why Abraham was worthy of God's choice, but that is another matter. At Mt. Sinai God offered the Torah to Israel, and Israel accepted it freely (although there is a rabbinic parable that God held the mountain over Israel and threatened to drop it on us if we refused). We are not an ordinary ethnicity: we are a multi-racial family in which adopted children have the same status as the homeborn.
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An American who doesn't want to be an American has an easy choice. There are plenty of places to move to. (Whether such a person would be happier after moving is a different question.)

For Jews it's not so easy. A person once identified as a Jew is a Jew forever. (Examples abound of people of Jewish descent, who were forever identified with Judaism, whether they practiced even the tiniest aspect of Judaism or not.)

Ed Koch once wrote that a man is a Jew first by birth, then by observance; if he ceases to observe Judaism, he remains a Jew by birth, and if he doubts this, he should ask his neighbors, who will be only too happy to remind him.

Edmund Fleg, writing before WWII, provided a cynical definition that may be the most historically accurate one of all: "Who is a Jew? A Jew is a man other men call a Jew." (How many thousands were slaughtered in the Holocaust without having practiced Judaism a day in their lives, but died because the Nazis had unearthed a Jewish grandparent?)

I have some (not much) sympathy for Jews who are uncomfortable being Jews; being Jewish isn't for sissies.
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"The Germans are ambivalent about being German. That I can understand. I have less sympathy for Jews who don’t want to be Jews."

And even less sympathy for Americans, Christian or Jew, who don't want to be American.
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Oh my goodness. I read How Civilizations Die and I totally missed your above quote.
As a great admirer of your writing and as a small student of history myself, I would like to offer a minor to correction to thee, who does not like fiction.
The European pagan predilections towards Jews vis a vis their desires to be the "chosen ones" instead of the Jews, were deeply rooted in the Roman Church of Constantinople which based their particular convictions regarding Jews on the gospels.
To quote from something I wrote awhile ago:
From the earliest days of Constantine and the Christian Roman Empire, Christians learned about the Jews in the context of how their god, Jesus, was killed by wicked Jews. In Christianity, Jews were always synonymous with Christ-killers – they were the Race of Deicides.
It begins with Book of Matthew 27:20 “And the whole people answering said: ‘His blood be upon us and our children.’”
The Book of John put the proverbial nails in the crucifixion of the Jews when he relates the various evils that “the Jews” performed.
“… therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus because he did these things on the Sabbath.” (John 5:16)
“… The Jews then took up stones to stone him…” (John 10:31)
“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10:33)
“The Jews insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.’” (John 19:7)
“’Here is your king,’ Pilate said to the Jews.
But they shouted, ‘Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!’” (John 19:14,15)

Apparently the early Christian theologians believed that these passages specifically meant that the Jews first rejected, and then killed Jesus. And, that the Jews were therefore cursed.
Origen, one of the most distinguished writers of the early Christian Church, wrote: “The Jews nailed Christ to the Cross.”
Cyprian, bishop of Carthage, took time to detail the crimes of the Jews in his “Three Books of Testimonies Against the Jews.”
Augustine argued that Jews should be left alive and suffering as “a perpetual reminder of their murder of Christ.”
Gregory of Nyssa named the Jews “Slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, adversaries of G-d, haters of G-d … advocates of the devil, brood of vipers, slanderers… assemblies of demon… and haters of righteousness.”
John Chrysostom (347-407), flatly stated (contradicting Peter who claimed the Jews acted without knowledge) “the Jews erred, not ignorantly, but with full knowledge.”
Chrysostom’s virulent hatred of the Jews, as the Archbishop of Constantinople, along with these other Church Fathers, forever influenced the theology that became Law under the Eastern Byzantine Empire, and he, like the rest of these early Church Fathers, became a “saint.”
Among his many sermons castigating, excoriating, and cursing the Jews, he called them “the assassins of Christ” and named their synagogues “the refuge of devils and abyss of perdition.”

Ultimately, the “Holy Roman Emperor,” Constantine, began what became a perpetual theological condemnation of Jews and Judaism in his:
Laws of Constantinus Regarding the Jews

(It is worthwhile to state the first Law in full as this enjoyed the full Ecclesiastical weight of the Holy Roman Church and was not merely a “civil law,” but Christian doctrine.)

I. Laws of Constantine the Great, October 18, 315: Concerning Jews, Heaven-Worshipers, And Samaritans We wish to make it known to the Jews and their elders and their patriarchs that if, after the enactment of this law, any one of them dares to attack with stones or some other manifestation of anger another who has fled their dangerous sect and attached himself to the worship of God [Christianity], he must speedily be given to the flames and burn together with all his accomplices. Moreover, if any one of the population should join their abominable sect and attend their meetings, he will bear with them the deserved penalties.

Holy Roman Emperors, Theodosius II and Justinian, continued making specific Laws restricting and condemning Jews and Judaism, as did nearly every Holy Roman Emperor and later, Popes, that followed in the footsteps of these Christian “saints” who urged that Jews be scourged and hated for killing their god.
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I am more of a student of secular history than of church history, but from what medieval European secular history that I know, I do not doubt your quotations.

I will simply offer a modern point of reference, personally witnessed. Having been raised Catholic (though I am now Protestant), I remember the Easter services in Catholic Mass in the 1960’s and 1970’s. The trial as reported in the Gospel would be conducted as part of the Mass, and the Catholic congregation would play the part of the people. Every one of us said out loud “crucify Him!”, or “His blood be upon us and our children”, etc… Not once have I ever personally heard anyone in the Catholic faith (nor Protestant for that matter) ever blame the crucifixion of Christ on the Jews. It was (and is) understood that “we” crucified Christ. In fact as a young boy my only thought was a self-centered one, “why am I included in this?”, and never had any inkling that Jews were involved. I am aware that this has not always been the case, but I wanted to report what I have personally seen over the last 50 years. I have no knowledge, whether personal or historical, regarding the eastern orthodox Christian religions with respect to this.

For the pain that my ancestors caused you, and caused your ancestors, I would like to apologize. We are brothers and sisters who collectively need salvation, and we worship the same Lord God, Creator of Heaven and Earth. These are dark times, and fellow believers need to come together.
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You are indeed correct. Christian believers are today the best friends that both Jews and Israel could ever have.
In my humble opinion, this is the direct result of American "Fulfillment Theology" which over the course of several hundred years and, I believe culminating in Vatican II (?), gradually replaced the normative Christian "Replacement Theology" which, as implied by Mr. Goldman, was the notion that Christians replaced Jews as G-d's "chosen people."
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"Christian believers are today the best friends that both Jews and Israel could ever have. "

You are right but the key words are "christian believers". Too many liberal churches today are filled with what David Goldman called the "lightly baptized". They are much more comfortable with New Age spirituality than biblical beliefs. Lots of Catholics are included in that too.
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Yes, and it has greatly eased my difficulty in understanding the Scriptures.
Whenever I see "Israel" and "Judah" and "Jerusalem" in Scripture, I understand it to mean exactly what it says. They are not metaphors for Christians or Rome. Promises, and prophecies made to Israel and Jerusalem are for them alone. Any promises and prophecies for "the nations" are explicitly stated, and in fact were present from the very beginning with God's covenant with Abraham. It especially eased my understanding of the Book of Revelation.
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So, the Jews became largely secular because they were but lightly baptized, and thus began returning to their pagan roots? The temptation to idolatry has been with us since the beginning. Cherry-picking a few quotes, a la Rosensweig does not a sound thesis make. You overlook the importance of the French Enlightenment. The secular liberal reduction of freedom to autonomy and morality to equality drive the hatred of the Jewish State more than anything else. The Left's solipsistic worldview is governed by an anxious need to claim the moral high ground, by claiming the right to identify oppressor and oppressed, and anything that stands out or stands up is a target. Thus both the Church and Israel become high-profile targets. More Solovietchik and less Rosensweig, please.
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it though must be noticed that these "liberal" enlighteneds were also exercising in the US

hey, the free massons !

BTW, the little Renaissance during Charlemagne time made that the educateds learnt about the greek philosophers and mathematicians, hence the first school of philosophy in France, though it was impossible to express views that went against the church discourse. Even Descartes was briddled, and some say that he was assassinated in Sweden by a Jesuit
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IMHO, It seems to me that Spengler's point is that, while both Jews and gentiles are tempted and driven to secularism by modernity, the Jews (and some Christian groups) retain a saving remnant which is able to partake in the best modernity has to offer and display healthy demographics.
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Mr Goldman,
I always appreciate your insights. A few thoughts from a gentile who is grateful for the Jews and Israel:

As others have remarked, claiming divine right for rule (or claiming that others have no divine right to rule over “us”) is quite common throughout history, and does not necessarily rely upon any connection to Judaism. Even if it were so however, that European kingdoms and nationalities had consciously or unconsciously attempted to abscond the mantle of “chosenness” for themselves, they would have missed the point.

If they truly had been “chosen”, would they have fared any better than ancient Israel or Judah? Any worse? As sad and horrific as the history of Europe has been at times, and American history as well, the human history of ancient Israel and Judah do not offer much encouragement. (I say this not as a criticism, but with the sadness that comes from knowledge of my own individual brokenness and that of my fathers, that the failings of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah are repeated in my own life.) Despite having the recent memory of the daily physical presence of God, the tribes divided into two kingdoms. The kingdoms of Israel and Judah made war on each other and they sacked each other’s cities. Wholescale butchery/slavery was prevented on one occasion only by intervention of a Prophet. The poor were oppressed and sold for a pair of sandals. Father and son went in to the same girl. Children were made to pass through the fire. Shrine prostitutes actually took up residence in the Temple. At one point the Book of Law of had been lost for so long that it was literally forgotten, until a priest found it in the Temple and brought it to the king of Judah. It is astonishing to think that Judah literally forgot the existence of the Law.

Therefore although Israel was chosen to be a lamp unto the nations, that lamp has shone rather dimly at times. The nations are not to worship the lamp, nor are the chosen to revere their status as holders of the lamp, but rather our common bond is to worship the One who chose Israel. Israel and Judah faltered for the same reason that Europe faltered and why America falters now. Whether we are members of the chosen nation, or whether we are wild olive branches grafted onto the olive tree,we are not the point, and civilization is not the point. God is the point. The only way we will be saved, and the only way Israel will be preserved, will be through God.

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Europe is dying. Once we bury the wretched old thing we will have thank her for the gifts she bestowed on mankind lately: thank you, Mother Europe for the Modern Age, for the French Revolution, Anarchism, Communism, Socialism, Marxism, Fascism & all the other "isms" you invent and we suffer. Thank you for dispatching Christendom and killing or emasculating all her kings. Thank you for your huddled masses and the tin joke you sent us to remind us that we were supposed to serve as the escape valve of all your social imbalances. Thank you for dissing us after two generations of American youth gave their life so you could kill time in your cafes developing new ideas with which to disgrace the world. Thank you Europe. Next time the Persians come, leave the Thermopylae pass open you crazy bastards.
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yet the French Revolution inspired from the American Revolution

Thankyou America for spoiling our lifes with your sodas, your hormonal beef, your Monsanto seeds, your series B, your uniform scenaries, your LSD, your banks deregulations andshadow markets,your bigottery, thank you for having fed Hitler with your loans, and arming Nazy germany,
Next time the Persians come we will be able to nuke your NSA

ahahah
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actually the American revolution of 1776 came before the french revolution began in 1786. However, the french kings funding of the navy that helped defeat the the british at yorktown--helped to also bankrupt the french monarchy and set the stage for revolution.
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you're honnest
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Marie Claude, I think you got the "influencing" backward. The American Revolution began in 1776 and the French in 1789 (the same year that the American Constitution was realized). Various French participated in the American Revolution (the French King wanted to weaken England), but there was no revolutionary inspiration. The otherway is truer. But, I, following Edmund Burke, want no connection with the French Revolutions, its ideologcal radicalism (a Saint Just is a perfect example), its some 40,000 victims of the guilllotines, and its grand finale with Napoleon and French imperialism run wild (some estimates are aroun 6 million deaths due the little Frenchman's dreams). A comparison between Napoleon and George Washington says it all.
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oh no, I know History of France

Before that the US managed to get their constitution, quite a few of them had already travelled to France, B. Franklin, Jefferson... among them, and they all wre familiar with the french intellectuals of the era

The French king was a genuine fan of the american independance, if he'be so twisted to think of undermining britain, he would never have put all his money in the same basket and keep it for arming a stronger float.

Edmond Burke view on the french revolution is biased, he is a priviledge living in his ivory tower, and the last thing that such people want is to give more power to the plebe.

At the beginning the french revolution wasn't radical, nor ideological, but in the line of the "enlighteneds", the events made that it derailed

Escuse me but 40000 victims is far less than the 800000 victims of the american civil war

Napoleon brought the constitution of human rights and a civil code to poputions that were subjects of monarchs, of little nobles and or church lords, in Europe, that precisely mde coalitons against France (3 from 1792)

Escuse me but Napoleon wasn't Hitler, most of the collateral dammages were soldiers, and the biggest percentage was french

and that from 1792 until 1815, while your fellow Hitler made 40 millions victims in 4 years

oh that George washington, that a bunch of French settlers forced to surrender at Fort Necessity, ahahah, and though he was assisted by Hessian mercenaries
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"yet the French Revolution inspired from the American Revolution"

Ahh yes. I just took the kids on a trip to Independence Hall so they could see the guillotines invented by Ben Franklin and used by George Washington to dispatch whole families of Tories.
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you didn't need guillotines since your habit was hanging them high and short at a oak branch
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Please advise exactly when and where George Washington and the Continental Congress ordered hangings of anyone, but especially women, children and the elderly based merely on their membership in a certain class. Compare with the many thousands sent to the guillotine to the cheers of the French mob and radical-intellectuals.

Are you really going to attempt to compare our War of Independence, crowned by the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, with the bloody and pointless French Revolution and subsequent Napoleonic dictatorship and wars?

You would have done better to point out the genuine debt America owes to France for assistance during the War of Independence.

"What is it you Frenchies say? Too-che? You see I'm a poet, and you didn't know it, what?" - Sir Percy Blakeney /The Scarlet Pimpernel
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Even before La Fayette understood that there wasn't anything to wait from Americans that were for most of them of British origin, that's why he returned to France, and though he was in favor to implement the American new constittion in France too, hence the idem inspiration, the king of France was ready to transform the french monarchy into a British sosie, but, that was without counting with the food unrests, bankrupting, and Marie antoinette requesting her family's help, which was seen as a major betray, the austrians were the oldest enemis of France
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actually what you call revolution was a war of independance

and your constitution was inwpired from the European Enlignteneds be them British and or French

The French bloody revolution happened because France was bankrupted, for having helped your people, and not being repaid back, hey, the excuse was that there wasn't banks, but we happened to know about your gratitude with the Jay treaty.

Even before La Fayette understood that there wasn't anything to wait from Americans that were for most of them of British origin
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otherwise, I picked "hangings" from your westerns, and from your civil war,which was much bloodier than the french revolution
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God chose Abraham, but Abraham also had to "choose" God. There is an extensive rabbinic literature attempting to explain through parable why Abraham was worthy of God's choice, but that is another matter.
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In Christianity St. Paul --who was in modern parlance a Jew Cubed (perfect rabbi, lawyer, accountant)--a zealot as well --who converted to Christianity--framed this discussion as a question of whether we are saved/justified by works or faith. He came down on the side of faith. He said in roughly 50 AD/CE
Romans 4:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

In this St Paul was quoting from Genesis 15:6 Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness.

This theme is taken up in the book of Hebrews (author unknown)
Hebrews 11:8-10

New International Version (NIV)

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.

Abraham's journey westward is an act of faith --and the vision that animated it -- looks to many like the journey that many took from the old world to the new world in the last 500 years.

19th century idealism is a kind of secular version of this Christian interpretation of Abraham's motives as said in Hebrews: "10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God." But this communist idealism was founded on new technology--and not a move west. Technology would take everyone to the promised land. This faith in technology is what animated early russian communist writers. Because of this faith Stalin's minions in the 1930's would publish breathless articles on the production of steel, coke, coal, oil, lumber and what have you--as if the pure volume of this stuff would somehow get them to the promised land.

After two world wars the dark side of technology became apparent to many people especially in Europe. The US maintained some vision of a bright future where space travel would be just around the corner and unlimited fusion energy too cheap to meter was immanent. This era too died in roughly 1973 with the first OPEC strike, peak american oil production and the end of the Apollo program. Space travel proved to pose non trivial problems and fusion energy has remained two decades away to this day. Once cheap oil went up in price and began to steadily defund the USA.

But the worm is turning again as the technological revolution accelerates. Three books have come out on the subject.
Abundance The Future is Better Than you Think [http://books.google.com/books?id=3b6LvlWObYUC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false], Knowledge and Power: The Information Theory of Capitalism and how it is Revolutionizing Our World [http://books.google.com/books?id=nTVUWNt2_JsC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false] , Collapsing Water and Energy Costs: How Bill Gates --Or You!-- Can Create the Inventions That Spark the Next Industrial and Agricultural Revolution [http://www.amazon.com/Collapsing-Water-Energy-Costs-Agricultural-ebook/dp/B0089Z7V6Y]




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Europe is the only thing there is. If you can imagine life without Europe, you're frankly a barbarian.
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Sadly, we shall have to imagine it, because Europe is dying. Why Europe first abandoned its high culture, and then abandoned its future, is the great paradox of our times. I spent most of my life trying to make sense of it.
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we abandoned our culture for the american culture, but that was what you wanted
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I thought it was the French who thought that Jerry Lewis and Mickey Rourke were great artists. You took us more seriously than we take ourselves.
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hey, you thought badly, cuz these persons were bred in your Holly Woods

we didn't took them more seriously, except that J Lewis was rewarded for his work at promoting donations (telethon) for myopathies
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sadly cultural slide of the USA is not far behind Europe. The fall off in church goers has been pretty steep in the last 15 years.
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The European Communists and Nazis took barbarianism to its lowest and most disgusting degree. Don't ever forget that the evils of Medieval Monarchy (the so-called "divine right of kings"), Fascism and Marxism are of European origin. European governments are responsible for the most violent and disgusting campaigns of enslavement and mass murder in the history of the human race. Our Founders got the hell out of Europe for a good reason - they wanted to secure the Natural God-given rights to life, liberty and creative pursuit of happiness for themselves and their posterity - an achievement which was not possible in Europe.

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It is the US fault (Wilson & Roosevelt) to throw good blood after bad. We should have let them blow each other to pieces. They are not worth the bullet that puts them out of their misery. We have no money to pay for your failed schemes. Sell your Michelangelo statues and all the stuff you stole all over the world. The writing is on the wall. There will be no more Europe and they shall pass like Nineveh and Tyre, like Babylon and Egypt. Hopefully someone will learn the lesson. I have only one advice for you, Europeans: learn Russian.
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hey, Stalin would have eaten you then, hey a communist Europe from Brest to Brest-Litovsk , with harbours in tw continents, no more american seven fleet
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There is a side affect in your argument that affects the Christians.

You seem to imply that Christ can only be accepted voluntarily. You are then "transformed" according to St Paul. There were really only two big periods in history when Christians really chose Christ voluntarily - or even super voluntarily - that was early Roman times before the conversion by the Emperor, and the second was the American Experience from the 1700s onward.

The lesson seems to be that accepting Christ is not a transforming experience if it is done wholesale through political power. Something about the transformational power of love being incompatible with political power. Europe political power was tied to Christian belief for 1200 to 1500 years depending on how you count. In the process, Christianity became fake, and the Europeans have suffered from it since.

That's not a lesson modern Christians on either the left or right want to hear.
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Europe political power was tied to Christian belief for 1200 to 1500 years depending on how you count. In the process, Christianity became fake, and the Europeans have suffered from it since.
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I disagree. Up until about 1600 an educated man could learn all there was to know about every discipline. After roughly 1600--with the explosion of knowledge--that became impossible. The disciplines split apart. Scientists/scholars/academics had to specialize. The man who created the program/code/order/ who systematized knowledge was Descartes. Every historical college philosophy class in the West includes Descartes tree of knowledge. The roots of the tree are metaphysics. the trunk of the tree is philosophy and out in a small sub branch of philosophy is theology/witchcraft. While placing theology as a sub branch of philosophy is a grand conceit --it is a logical impossibility. Why? Philosophy begins with the premise that man is the measure of all things. Theology begins with the premise that God is the measure of all things. By placing theology on a branch of philosophy, Descartes implied that man is the measure of all things --including God. This is a logical impossibility because if God can be measured--then he is not God. However, this what every every young man in college has had to listen to for the last 300 years or so. You better believe that over time this has just crushed Christianity. But I think the worm is turning on this too because of modern information theory and the madness of the physicists.
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Accept no substitutes.
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I suspect the Frankish kings were more keen on donning the dusty mantle of imperial Rome than they were Joseph's multicolored cape. It seems quite the leap to ascribe Europe's cultural decline to some long festering and unfulfilled desire to be Israelites.

Be that as it may, the lively discussion in the comments section confirms at least that public education has not not yet succeeded in producing its generations of obedient serfs.
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When they sought universal European rule, they tried to be Rome; when they led their nations against Rome, they fancied themselves David. Sometimes they tried to do both.
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I'd say that European governments have suffered from both pathologies - viewing themselves as the new chosen people, or at least their kings were supposedly chosen by God - and as successors of the old pagan Roman Empire. The divine is now out of style, so the pagan (Fascist) or atheistic (Marxist) pathologies have taken the place of "divinely appointed" Christian kings - out with the religious totalitarians and in with the pagan or atheistic totalitarians. The more things change in Europe, the more they stay the same.

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what a load of crap, we never envision us as the chosen people, that's a chimera invented by some paranoid minds, we were defending our squuare of land, against the neighbours
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initiated by Jews though ie Karl Marx and the bolcheviks
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There has been no shortage of Gentile Marxists starting with Friedrich Engels. Besides, Marxism is based on totalitarian government power over the individual via property collectivization and redistribution, an idea Karl Marx picked up from the (Gentile) French Revolution.

"We claim to live and die equal, the way we were born: we want this real equality or death; that's what we need. And we'll have this real equality, at whatever price. Unhappy will be those who stand between it and us!...We need not only that equality of rights written into the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen; we want it in our midst, under the roofs of our houses [via government property collectivization and redistribution]... The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, one that will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last." Gracchus Babeuf

http://www.marxists.org/history/france/revolution/conspiracy-equals/1796/manifesto.htm

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if there's a inspirating modelfor communism, it was Babeuf, and he was guillotined as a deranged mind

the French Revolution was a BOURGEOISE Revolution, hence from people who had money and education, and didn't want to loose such for the masses, evident if you know the civil code of the era, the revoluttttionnaires kept the monarchy laws that protected their ownings
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Nevertheless, Marx's pathological ideas were based on the dysfunctional and tyrannical philosophy of the French Revolution (gag).

“THE first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows, "Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody [abolition of private property]." Jean Jacques Rousseau

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1782rousseau-inequal.asp

“But as the essence of the republic or of democracy is equality, it follows that the love of country necessarily includes the love of equality…. This great purity of the French revolution's basis, the very sublimity of its objective, is precisely what causes both our strength and our weakness. Our strength, because it gives to us truth's ascendancy over imposture, and the rights of the public interest over private interests…. We must smother the internal and external enemies of the Republic or perish with it; now in this situation, the first maxim of your policy ought to be to lead the people by reason and the people's enemies by terror." Maximilien Robespierre

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Communism/ROBESPIERRE'S%20SPEECH.htm

8 weeks ago
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so what, his analyses aren't falsh, but dranging for people who promote savage capitalism
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The analyses of the French Philosophers was false, and led to the false analysis of Marx. You use the term "Capitalism" in a derogatory way which is reminiscent of Karl Marx. BTW, the American Revolution was based on Free Enterprise - not a perverted Fascist type of Crony Capitalism.
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yeah yeah, only americans know how economics work, that's why you were bankrupted in 2008, and we are paying your faults

your free enterprise is a chimera that you like to promote, but it's either perverted by politicians, either by bankers

BTW, How comes that so many JP Morgan bankers are found dead since the beginning of 2014?
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Notice that I said "the American revolution was based on Free Enterprise." The key word is "was." Sadly, as is the case in France and much of Europe, the U.S. government has degenerated into Socialism - a perverted hybrid of Fascist Crony Capitalism and Marxism. God help us - and the people of France.
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but deranging for...

sorry typo
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Naftali Bennett is the man! I love him and hope he has a big role to play in Israel's future.
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