Ron Paul’s Dangerous Campaign, and the New Anti-Semitism of Paul, Joe Klein and Tom Friedman
The danger in Iowa is not that if Ron Paul does come in first in the Iowa caucus, he will get the Republican nomination. He won’t. Recall Mike Huckabee’s win four years ago! It means little. But it will give Paul momentum, and his deluded followers will double down in their efforts, and when Mitt Romney becomes the nominee, they won’t take their defeat lying down. The danger, then, is that Paul will do what his followers want and what he originally promised he would not do: run on a third-party ticket for the presidency.
If Ron Paul follows that course, it means that he will take away just enough votes from the eventual nominee to assure Barack Obama’s re-election as president of the United States. Since Paul obviously believes that the positions of the Republican Party are no different than those of the Democrats, it makes sense for him to become the spoiler, thus asserting his own power in politics. For the rest of us, it will mean we have lost our only chance to stop the destruction of the America we have come to know and love by presenting Barack Obama with four more years to achieve his domestic agenda of transforming the United States into a European-style social democracy.
So let us look vividly at everything Ron Paul stands for. Thanks to the research of journalist James Kirchick, that reminder is available for us in the new issue of The Weekly Standard. Building upon his well-known 2008 article on Ron Paul’s now famous newsletters issued by him in the 1980s and 90s, Kirchick updates his earlier findings, revealing “Paul’s lucrative and decades-long promotion of bigotry and conspiracy theories, for which he has yet to account fully, and his continuing espousal of extremist views, that should make him unwelcome at any respectable forum, not only those hosted by Jewish organizations.”
Kirchick’s findings are so important that even the New York Times reported on them in its main news section. Given Paul’s position that Iran is nowhere near to obtaining a nuclear weapon and is not a threat, his views about Israel and the United States are especially relevant.
Kirchick writes:
What the congressman had to say about Jews and Israel would probably be a deal-breaker. No foreign country was mentioned in the newsletters more often than Israel. A 1987 newsletter termed it “an aggressive, national socialist state,” and another missive, on the subject of the 1993 World Trade Center attack, concluded, ‘Whether it was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a Jewish friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the Islamic fundamentalists, matters little.’ In 1990, the newsletter cast aspersions on the “tens of thousands of well-placed friends of Israel in all countries who are willing to wok [sic] for the Mossad in their area of expertise.”
As Kirchick points out, Paul’s explanation for the outrageous comments that regularly appeared in his various newsletters borders on parody. Paul expects people to believe that he had nothing to do with what appeared under his own name, and which readers at the time thought he had written. Whether actually penned by Paul or by one of his associates, the fact is that Paul made a nice fortune selling them to subscribers, and readers believed they were reading Paul’s own views.
Moreover, Kirchick goes on to point out that Ed Crane, “the president of the Cato Institute, said Paul told him that ‘his best source of congressional campaign donations was the mailing list for the Spotlight, the conspiracy-mongering, anti-Semitic tabloid run by the Holocaust denier Willis Carto.’” To this reader, that sentence is the most important one in Kirchick’s article. It reveals, for the first time, that a great deal of Paul’s funding for his successful congressional campaigns comes from one of the most notorious anti-Semitic papers in America.
Finally, Kirchick reveals that Paul is a regular guest on the single most extremist far-right radio program hosted by a man named Alex Jones. I first heard of Jones while on a speaking engagement in California, where a man who drove me around insisted I hear tapes of Jones that he had amassed. Jones is so crazed in his support of conspiracy theories about everything that he makes Lyndon LaRouche and Michael Savage appear apostles of sanity. Kirchick quotes Paul as telling Jones in a March 2009 broadcast that “we need to take out the CIA.” Just last week, Paul told Jones that the report of an attempted Iranian assassination in the U.S. of the Saudi ambassador was nothing but a “propaganda stunt.”
If Ron Paul ran as a third-party candidate he might siphon off more votes from Obama than from the Republican nominee. After all, given Paul’s antisemitism and his sympathy with terrorists, he’s closer to the worldview of Barack Obama than to that of the Republicans– economic issues notwithstanding.
As for the court Jews repeating antisemitic slurs, the really disturbing part of it is that they felt safe publishing those things. Don’t forget: these are not just regular people casually sharing their opinions, they are careerists with an extraordinary instinct for what advances their status with their patrons and those who take them seriously. What does that say about where “elite” America is going?
What it tells me as an Israeli is that Israel must triple and quadruple its efforts to develop strong relations with Asian states, and perhaps a few East European states, with a special emphasis on arms sales and joint weapon development projects to reduce our dependence on American weapon, because if things continue like that the US will eventually almost inevitably become antisemitic and extremely anti-Israel. If recent years are indeed a sign of things to come Israel should also prepare itself to absorb large numbers of Jews who will fear the rising tide in the West. When those in charge of information, education and of molding public opinion espouse such views it will almost inevitably become the mainstream. And there will be the Jews who will try to save their own skins by turning increasingly vicious re Israel and its supporters to differentiate themselves from the “bad Jews”, those marked for destruction by their colleagues, thereby adding credibility to their claims. In such a climate the US might go French on us if or when the Muslims will seriously attack.
When the French betrayed us, stopped selling us weapon and cancelled an already paid-for deal of airpalne purchase, our response was to create our own, hmm, “derivatives” of the Mirage and some other genuine Israeli airplanes. But they are outdated now. They’re good as a low cost alternative for countries like Colombia that need combat airplanes for relatively basic purposes, but they won’t do against the combined forces of several Muslim armies, some of which already equipped with American weapon, that vastly outnumber us, and that might also try and develop nuclear weapon. Our other response was to strengthen our alliance with the US by becoming very useful in the Cold War (which is why we can’t expect the various far-leftists ever being sympathetic to us), which made the Americans see us as a stronger country than they thought before. And rightfully so because we did become stronger by then. So in the end the French betrayal resulted in Israel getting stronger and better positioned than before.
But it’s different in the case of the US because it’s the strongest country on earth, so there’s not much of an alternative. And if the view that a Jewish cabal controls America becomes mainstream our situation will be dire indeed. It will also legitimize antisemitism elsewhere. Everyone will follow suit and it might become the global mainstream view. But judging by precedence Asians might respond differently to antisemitism even if they believe it. When the Japanese first encountered “The Protocols” they innocently believed it was an authentic document, but their reaction to it was different from the European reaction. According to the “Protocloes” the Jews were extremely powerful and dangerous – we supposedly controled empires and caused wars and revolutions all over the planet for centuries, all as part of our conspiracy to rule the world. So understandably some Europeans thought the only “solution” to all their problems was to exterminate us all. But the Japanese thought such “powerful” people can be very useful for their own imperialist projects, if only they would find a way to neutralize the “danger” of a Jewish takeover of Japan. They finally decided it’s best not to “play with fire”, but only after a heated debate with many in the leadership supporting such exploitation. And I came across some similar mindsets from other Asians, not imperialists, but people who believed this or that antisemitic conspiracy theory and thought having ties with such enormously powerful people can be useful for them. And even if the Indians will eventually become antisemitic (Mein Kampf became a best-seller there, not because of the Jews, but it’s likely to influence how they view Jews) they still might consider the Muslim threat bigger than the alleged Jewish threat, while the West (Europe included) tends to blame Israel for everything the Muslims do.
Besides, the West seems adamant in committing suicide, so the center of power might move to Asia anyway. The West has gone socialist which isn’t good for its economy, turned its halls of science and learning into Marxist indoctrination camps where the young are taught to hate their own countries and cultures and cling to failed economic and social dogmas, allied with the retrograde Muslim states (that currently produce mostly oil and gas, and indeed a huge wealth in petrodollars invested in the West, but not invested in a truly productive infrastarcture for when the oil wells dry up and they’ll become pretty useless to the West as allies), invited Muslim mass immigration, allowed the most radical and dangerous Muslim streams grow and florish in their countries for decades, has a birth rate under replacement level, and is increasingly drowning itself in antisemitic delusions that blind it to the very real problems it faces, much like Hitler who scared the smartest Jews into fleeing just to end up having all those German Jews helping the US develop the first atom bomb. All that doesn’t bode well for the future of the West.
And the Americans might yet reelect Obama. Or maybe even elect Ron Paul. Who knows? The Americans these days are seemingly capable of electing just about anyone. If half the Americans are OK with a president that has such deep far-left ties, including former, but unrepentant, lefty terrorists, who boasts about the spiritual guidance he got under the wing of a radical delusional America-hating revrend, and who thinks one of NASA’a primary missions should be to make the Muslims feel better about themselves, then why not a 9/11 conspiracy loony who most likely believes there is no Islamic threat, but only a Jewish threat? After all, he’s going to fix the economy the current loony in charge is driving over the cliff as he tries to fix it in the exact opposite direction. Strange times indeed.
Hopefully nothing of that will happen, but we should be prepared for every possibility. The US has become unpredictable, and large parts of the world experience economic, social and/or political instability. Times of crisis are the most ripe for antisemitism to rise.
“the US will eventually almost inevitably become antisemitic and extremely anti-Israel… When those in charge of information, education and of molding public opinion espouse such views it will almost inevitably become the mainstream”
Things will get worse for Jews, that’s for sure. The Ron Paul fanatics are a youthful bunch, full of energy and hatred. Their dear leader Paul is steering his brainwashed disciples in a very ugly direction. These young vulgarians who post hateful Jew-bashing messages all over the net will certainly influence public discourse in years to come. Someone elsewhere dubbed them the “Paulistinians”. It suits them.
The Great Delusion is the U.S. defending Israel. Remember the 1980′s when Israel reacted to Iraq’s threats. Ron Paul was one of, but a few ,who stood up for Israel.Do your homework. This is nothing but a smear campaign brought on by Big Business controlled media,who continues to profit hugely from these wars. ask yourself this, why does Ron Paul receive the largest sopport from military servicemen than any other Republican candidate.Our servicemen know more than anyone when it comes to Industrial Militarism.One more question.How is this country going to hang onto the last thread of freedom we have when it constantly borrows money from China to fuel these wars. The only one gaining strength from all this debt is China. Their just sitting back and waiting patiently until we self destruct.Who then will be the Light of the World? American’s realize this,and THAT is why Ron Paul’s base is growing.The talk of a 3rd independent candidate is the GOP’s salution to not allowing Ron Paul a victoring. They would rather have Obama in office.They are not fooling anyone anymore!
One very quick comment: How do you explain Ariel Sharon’s comment when asked about congress being controlled by the Israeli lobby, the man responded ” Let me tell you something very clear: We, the Israelis, control congress.” The date of this statement escapes me at the moment, but it was a couple of years or so before his stroke.
I agree with Stan that the expanding Ron Paul “base” is coming from three not-Libertarian segments, many of whom were Obama’s base in 2008.
1) ‘End the War on Drugs’ certainly will draw college students. I am 59, but tend to think America should have learned from Prohibition, and seriously reform “drug” policy – regulate and tax – , however I find it difficult to believe this cohort is a huge single-issue voting block, and probably not the Paulbots who are so intimidating these days.
2) The Russ Feingold end-the Patriot Act democratic party bloc – who may be a single issue bloc, but also not those who are so intimidating.
3) the anti-war left who, in 2008, believe in the “AIPAC/Zionist/neocon conspiracy” that started Bush43′s Iraq War. This was Obama’s early core base, and I see the same language they use in Paulbot swarmed comment threads. Would not be surprised if Code Pink/Free Gaza funding and organizing has migrated to Ron Paul in 2011. It also looks like Paul2012 is using Obama’s 2008 Iowa Caucus playbook.
Regardless of Dr. Paul’s personal animus or not, every candidate is responsible for their embrace of voter segments.
If nothing else, when a Paulbot refers to the Federal Reserve Bank with words “secret ownership by foreign bankers”, that represents a direct line back to Henry Ford, Sr’s 1920′s re-telling of the Protocols as the Dearborn Independent’s “International Jew” series. Ford, Sr. was also a pacifist, and his strain of the GOP from the 1920′s never really disappeared.
I actually see the improbable Ron Paul 3rd Party candidacy as more damaging to Obama, although Romney’s fullblown embrace of Bush43′s neocon foreign policy is just as damaging to what is supposed to be a GOP that allegedly learned from the mistakes of Bush43 and Tom DeLay.
Good thing Gary Johnson is going for the Libertarian ballot line. Dr. Paul will find ballot access for a new party rather difficult at this point, although I suppose the Paulbot swarms could hijack Americans Elect.
As to Thomas Friedman and Joe Klein (and I add David Remnick to that growing list)? The peer pressure at sought-after Manhattan dinner parties must be getting very weird.
America is repeating multiple decades of history, all in 2012.
None of it positive.
Bless your little heart!Yes, Ron Paul is a nutcake on the subject of substance abuse.Yes, his persona is whiny, wimpy, weeny. Yes, his refusal to see islamic jihad as a threat to us is that of a willfully blind man.
But he’s got the Fed right. It is, in fact, a private bank, foreign controlled, by jews other than myself, and is, in itself, a continuing act of theft. We pay these goniffs to print our money, loan it to us at interest, loan it to others at interest, borrow it back from them at higher rates of interest,(in each case the american people are the payers), and they turn out to be the others; as well as the Fed.
Lets personalize it. You hire me to print the money you will use as your income. You pay me to print it, buy the machinery, etc. Then I lend it to you at interest, as if it were my money. You are paying me interest on your money.
Then I lend much of it to my friends and relatives at low interest and borrow it back from them at a higher rate of interest, and you get to make all the payments.And I continue to print so much money that it falls in value, and your 100,000 savings will now buy only 50,000 worth of goods/services; so I have stolen another 50,000 from you while you weren’t looking.
How this doper ding dong could have gotten the Fed right we can’t imagine. But he did. But we don’t need either Paul or the Fed. Both have the morals of an alley cat.
Court Jews indeed. See the aristocratic, courtly lineage for social democracy in the case of Benjamin Disraeli. Here: http://clarespark.com/2011/07/16/disraelis-contribution-to-social-democracy/.
Since PJ has decided to heed the marching orders to spam readers with attacks on Ron Paul using mindless wild accusations of racism and anti-semitism, I am going to spam the same comment to you neoconservative imperialistic baby boomers, and the lackeys dumb enough to follow them.
My generation thanks all you for epdemic single motherhood, the communist education system, the welfare state, the global police force, more federal agenencies than a person can keep track of, a bankrupted social security trust fund, unaffordable healthcare costs, legalized infanticide masquerading as family planning, rampant illegal immigration, a mass exodus of industry & offshoring of our jobs, the loss of ground against developing nations in the economic arena, widespread obesity and mental health disorders, completely losing the war against communism despite the waste involved FOR DECADES!, and ghettos packed with shambling masses of drug addled morons. GOOD JOB BABY BOOMERS. GOOD JOB STATUS QUO. LET’S KEEP IT UP!
Oh, I forgot a few other little nuggets of wisdom and blessings passed down to us by our brilliant PJ authors and readers: a currency worth nothing more than some scheister at the Fed can convince you it’s worth, an economy based on endless consumption and debt, and the destruction of the religion that holds the concept of individual liberty and spontaneous voluntary uncoerced collectivism together. Thanks to you failure the government has stepped in to take over the social mandate of the church, and the corporations have become filled with $$$ signs in their eyeballs and no moral character to guide their business ethics other than relativism and nihilism. Oh- thanks for nihilism too! Love Hollywood and all the trash they produce under your watch and keep! You guys really just got it all together, huh?!
Dear Public,
At the age of 80 years, I couldn’t agree MORE! As a history teacher and a political “junkie”, I have NEVER =-NEVER– heard such “off the wall tripe!”
The Jews HAVE ALWAYS –I mean centuries– been the ones unfairly mistreated according to them. They have caught the blame BECAUSE they used the market and got money and power NOT because they were Jews! Christians revere Israel BECAUSE Jesus is their MESSIAH and they don’t accept Him. Their scriptures give 336 precise instances describing His birth, life, death, and resurrection but many Jews -especially the young ones- don’t even know their own heritage!
Jesus said “the Kingdom of God is within you” and the Jews just won’t let go of their fight for the land just like the Pharises of Jesus day.
Ron Paul is SO RIGHT! We need to “get our own house together” and let the rest of the world fend for themselves. The DEFENSE DEPT. WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE AN INSTRU MENT OF AGRESSION! If we don’t “PULL IN OUR HORNS”, we will end up like Greece OR WORSE.
“They have caught the blame BECAUSE they used the market and got money and power NOT because they were Jews!”
This repulsive statement wasn’t written by a historian and a political junkie, it was written by a JUNK HISTORIAN. You have everything precisely backwards.
Historically, Jews were barred from professions and were FORCED to be moneylenders. They were often confined to ghettos and persecuted because they wouldn’t accept Christianity as their religion.
Jews who achieved monetary success did so IN SPITE of hostility from intolerant bigots, and it was ENVY rather than BLAME which brought so much tragedy to innocent Jews, who were often massacred because the envious bigots who falsely branded them with an outrageous blood libel WANTED TO STEAL THEIR WEALTH.
Eighty years, and you still haven’t learned the truth! For shame. Put away the Protocols and read some ACTUAL history for a change, you ignorant fraud.
Hello.Jews were barred from owning property.Not professions.Banking doctoring,shoemaking…..
Lot of anti-Paul stuff here,makes me to think that these same people are anti-Israeli,anti middleclass,anti most near everything except hate.
Validate your 2nd Amendment Rights.Carry.
But,not if you’re angry.
Touchstone, I say DFTT. This “80 year old” was most likely trolling me because it honestly thinks I am a racist, honest thinks RP is a racist, honestly thinks RP supporters are ALL crazy (when only some of them are.) Sorry, I don’t give a rip about jews or Israel other than that they are individuals deserving of liberty, sovereignty, dignity, self-government, and peaceful relations. They have a very important history as you began to elucidate, a history that should never ever be forgotten or twisted even while trolling the internet. Some things are not to be violated in pursuit of ferreting out the truth, and our 80 year old friend has lost that ethical highground.
Lets all hope that senile dementia is not contagious. How about a nice cup of dandelion tea? Oh, and Congressman Paul is coming over, so please be sure to have a few lines and joints laid out for him.
I was passing thought Cairo for the Annual Muslim Brotherhood Friendship and Good Neighbor Festival last week on my way back from Turkey, where I had been invited to meet with Turkey’s model Islamic Democrat and Prime Minister Recep Erdogan, in his hospital room at the world class Istanbul Asshole Institute, where he was undergoing therapy for his newly diagnosed rectal cancer. In between debates regarding the benefits of a high fiber diet and the apparent constipation of the Israeli government under the Likud, he let slip an interesting disclosure, which he authorized me to share with whoever was interested.
It turned out that during his recent medical interventions, his doctors had discovered buried in the recesses of his rectum a soggy piece of paper that contained a plan for Mid East piece that he had devised years prior, but swallowed in disgust when Israel launched Operation Cast Lead in Gaza in response to a few firecrackers thrown over the fence by boisterous Gaza youths upset with the fact that the Israeli blockade had driven up the price of Mariah Carey CDs in the central Gaza souks, or what was left of them after the serial killings, or ‘targeted assassinations’ as the Likudniks prefer to call them, of the preceding several years.
‘Fhom’, he said, ‘the plan the doctors pulled out of my ass is simple, and in fact quite similar to the plan that Saudi King pulled out of his desk a few years ago to give to you – with just one critical difference.’
He continued ‘In addition to full normalization with the Jewish State in return for a resettling of the Palestinian refugees within the Green Line, preferably as close to Ben Gurion airport as possible, my plan allows for Turkey to take over the newly discovered Natural Gas fields in the eastern Mediterranean that Israel aggressively and illegally claims, with the proceeds of those gas sales going to fund the infrastructure and social institutions of the nascent Palestinian State. Israel won’t have to pay a thing.’
I felt I was in the presence of what some historians might call a Great Man, a man of vision and strength of the type who shapes events. And then, it struck me that Netanyahu would turn down this plan pulled from oblivion, saying it does not serve Israeli interests, that it stinks.
Ron,
Congratulations to you for running this post. Judging by comments to other PJM authors and by some posts, there is a segment of PJM readership that favors Ron Paul, seeing him as a wise, honest and brave American statesman.
In fact, he is, as you demonstrate, a radical, dishonest and cowardly hate-monger. This column is another piece of evidence that black helicopter fearing paranoid goof-balls are at least as big a problem for the conservative movement as RINOs.
I wish PJM would run this column at the top of the masthead for the next too weeks. It does not reflect well on PJM that this column does even seem to be given prominence on the left side of the home-page.
I’m just wondering who it is the “conservative movement” is supporting seeing as how there are no conservatives in the race, besides Ron Paul. I’ve written his name on the ballot a few times since the 80′s. I’ve never heard him speak ill of Israel or Jews. Of course I’ve not heard or read all of his words. I cannot and will not vote for another big government puppet with an R after his/her name.(it’s a given that a D will be big gov.- unfortunately,that can pretty much be said for the R party too) He is right tho, that we should stop all foreign aid. Even to Israel. If we stopped arming her enemies, she would not need our $. I am no enemy of Israel. I personally would be willing to go stand shoulder to shoulder with the Israelis to fight against those who will be attacking her, probably in the near future.
Then you aren’t paying much attention.
1. His Jew hatred has been published under his name, and he now expects us to believe he didn’t write those words and knew nothing about them. Hmmm. Wright & Obama, again?
2. A man is known by the company he keeps. Ron Paul regularly keeps company with, and receives most of his support from, openly neo-Nazi groups. He’s been a regular – a FAVORITE – on several neo-Nazi talk shows.
3. When asked if he agrees with the views of these people, he dances and twirls and dodges and ducks and gives everything BUT a straight answer.
The above are well-documented facts.
His hatred of Jews is obvious to anyone who is paying attention.
A man is known by the company he keeps. Yes. And RP does not keep company with nazis and racists. He just takes money from them. Now I know that sounds CRAZY, but let’s look at the alternatives when it comes to financing a political career:
1. Take money from lobbyists and other corporate interests. (i.e. Wall St. & Unions for Obama.
2. Take money from your friends in government who channel it to you. (i.e. Obama for Solyndra and (D) Car Dealerships w/ cash for clunkers)
3. Take money from the American people.
Now, we all know that PJ readers opt for #1, secretly go for #2 in the weapons contracting industry, and #3 is a distant laughable idea (all we need are their votes, keep your chump change America.)
But Ron Paul leans heavily on #3. He completely rejects 1-2. And when you make this decision, you have to take money from average Americans. And I don’t know about you, but over the Christmas table this Christmas, my average American family members are going to be fighting about a great many political topics they know nearly nothing about. So taking money from some racists and truthers is tantamount to taking money from average Americans.
I CAN FORGIVE PAUL FOR TAKING MONEY FROM AVERAGE AMERICANS! Especially when he does not EVER espouse those views and only keeps a one-arm’s distance from those people themselves. He is not going to be appointing racists and truthers in his cabinet!
Hogwash.
Paul has repeatedly refused to come out and plainly say that he does not agree with their racist views.
He’s doing it again with the newsletter flap. He disavows writing them, or knowing what was in them (Jeremiah Wright redux!), but he carefully does NOT say disagrees with them. When pressed on that point, he ends the interview.
This is his standard procedure when he’s called to account for his association with Nazis.
Agreed! More probably he would appoint dopers and chamberlainites. He is a man without a moral code and with a very low testosterone level. He is the poster boy of the “Us didn’t join to fight” crew. If we want dopers staggering through the streets en masse and the moslems overrunning us, Vote for Paul!
So is it Ron Paul’s adherence to the Constitiution that has all of you LIARS so worried? Ron Paul isn’t antisemitic, he’s clearly stated the exact same position that Netanyahu has; Israel does not need out help!
As far as any other issues go, when he stresses Liberty, Ron Paul means personal Liberty. Who is the government to continually discern what liberties individuals can practice? This goes for foreign nations as well. Worried about an Iran nuke? Why? Israel will take them out if they don’t blow themselves up first! Concerned about other nation’s military might? Why? You should be far more concerned about the destruction of our currency (ON PURPOSE) by our own government and the harm to all private sectors of the economy: if they go, we all go, and we have no means of supporting or sustaining our military whatsoever. You’ll be standing in front of your home or neighborhood defending it against foreign invaders.
Which, by the way, have been pouring over our Southern Border for years now, with the blessing of the 3-headed RINO beast currently vying for its place on the 2012 ticket!!
NOT SORRY! As a long time hardcore Conservative and Republican, the current crop of cry baby RINO phoneys makes me sick!! None of them are conservative! Not Romney,Newt, or Perry! They are STATISTS, and will, and have, used the power of their office to force law and social change on a once free society.
They can all go to helll! My vote is going to Paul, your phony editorial be dammned!!
Kudos to you, Boomer8…..I am voting for Ron Paul even if I have to use the write in vote. How dare the GOP, the Liberal media and the puppeteers shove another Obama by another name down our throats. I am referring to Romney, Gingrich, Perry. Ron Paul, Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum are the only viable candidates and the strongest of the three is Ron Paul. Ron’s foreign policy is the most Christian perspective of any other person running or has run for the Presidency. Don’t all Christians want peace? Ron Paul has said that he will not be the aggressor in times of war but will defend this nation against aggression. Have you turncoats sided with the English Militia? If Israel was not annihilated during this administration even though this egomaniac has surrounded Israel with her enemy, the Jihadists, it won’t happen unless the Jews vote party instead of allegiance to this country first and then to Israel second. Unity is important not criticizm and fault finding. Read the Bible and you will know that Israel will survive and will be the new heaven on earth after the Jews wake up and accept Jesus as the Savior. The anti-Bush vote put the worst person in charge of this nation….don’t make the same mistake twice by voting simply anti-Obama!
Sweet baby, when the Lord returns the entire cosmos will be destroyed, 2Peter3, and there won’t be a planet earth for anything to happen on. The 1000 years is an obvious metonomy, referring to the time period between the parousia and the resurrection.
And, Honey, no one is saved by “accepting Jesus”.
Men are saved when they trust, love and obey Jesus. Nothing less.
Jn.14.6; ICor.16.22; Heb.5.9.
The charge of anti-Semitism against Dr Paul is a slanderous slur which should be withdrawn. His stated position matches that of Mr Netanyahu and his speech on the House floor. Dr Paul is a well known advocate of the Austrian School of Economics and a pioneering advocate of sound currency. Many of his close colleagues in this field are Jews. Would he take their advice – and be pilloried for it – if he were anti-Semitic? No argument in this article demonstrates that Ron Paul is anti-Semitic. This slander is a way of avoiding a legitimate position that is held even among Jews themselves.
1. I’m not aware of Netanyahu, unlike Paul, a filling his pockets by running a series of slimy little newsletters which make money by peddling racism and anti-Semitism.
2. Based on the activity in #1, Paul is either an anti-Semite, an amoral peddler of pseudo-intellectual polemic-porn, or both. He is also a pathetic and absurd coward for offering ridiculous denials of his involvement in these sordid activities.
3. Commenter Stan at #1 above makes the very good point that, in his sympathy and support for terrorists (such as the king-pin terrorist state of Iran), Paul is closer to Obama than to the Republican mainstream.
From what is said on this page it matters little whether Dr Paul actually IS anti-Semitic. The arguments are built on disputed premises or an alternative view of foreign policy. I understand if you do not accept Dr Paul’s explanation regarding the newsletters, that he did not write them and disavows the views there. Consider his actual statements. Back in 1981 Ron Paul was in Congress when Israel bombed Iraq’s nuclear reactor and he defended their right to do so even though they were criticised by the Reagan administration and others. This is a far cry from the cowardly characterisation that you have made. Consider also that Ron Paul’s views are consistent with his principles and his policy that we have a government that obeys the Constitution. This means no foreign aid including to Israel’s enemies. It leaves Israel free to negotiate its own relationships without the US using it as a pretext for its own interventions. This does not mean that the US would not enter a war on Israel’s side. But it does mean that there needs to be a declaration of war by Congress not by the President.
Dr Paul is not a supporter of terrorists. But he asks the responsible question regarding the cause of the attacks. To ignore this is foolish. He has followed the 9/11 Commission Report and other defense analyses in saying that our military presence in the region and interference in domestic affairs has contributed to the hostilities. This was the reason given by Paul Wolfowitz when we withdrew from Saudi Arabia. The mischaracterisation of Dr Paul’s views on this site does nothing to advance genuine debate. It is either factually wrong or based on unsound logic.
Yes, yes, and yes! I’m fine with people disagreeing with Ron Paul’s foreign policy views, so long as they have factual reasons for doing so. For example, a conservative might claim that it is America’s best interest to continue funding Israel and to vocally support them as much as possible, with the expectation that this relationship means they won’t act against Iran without first calling Washington. That’s not entirely an unreasonable position, even though I disagree with it. Because Israel is such a strong ally, and lives in such a volatile region, it certainly serves America’s interests to continue our current relationship (sans Obama’s idiocy about returning to indefensible borders).
But none of that is articulated in this article. This just uses the same old tripe about the newsletters, and then sticks in a bunch of words from Klein and Friedman, as if they agree with Ron Paul on everything. They obviously don’t, but the author wants us to read Klein’s words as if they were Paul’s. And they’re not: Dr. Paul is a much brighter man than Klein, and his views on Israel have a lot of support within Israel itself. America’s evangelicals are simply afraid that Israel would be annihilated if we stop funding them or telling them what to do all the time. That’s not going to happen. They’re capable of defending themselves, and we would certainly intervene if necessary (if Iran and Israel actually went to war, I think it likely that Congress would declare war against Iran, as that is not the job of the president – whether it be Ron Paul or Newt Gingrich or anyone else).
Ron Paul does not support terrorism. He is simply a weak opponent of that formidable force.
Let us issue Letters of Marque and Reprisal. Then hoist up the Jolly Rodger.
Arrrggghh.
Ron Paul is not a weak opponent of terrorism. He is a smart opponent. First of all, what is “that formidable force”? Terrorism is a tactic not an enemy. Correspondingly, the use of letters of marque and reprisal is a tactical response. Furthermore, the constitutional process of making a declaration of war would mean that the American people and its representatives in Congress would have to identify the enemy and the concrete objectives of the war. This has been a problem with the war in Iraq. He is also a smart opponent because he identifies faulty assumptions in our policies. His method of argument is the same in foreign policy as it is in other policies. Different voices identify a problem and propose a government solution but first, Dr Paul says, you have to identify how government has contributed to the problem in the first place. This attention to history and analysis of the contemporary situation is what is desperately needed. Ron Paul may be called weak if he were a pacifist which he is not. He is a strong advocate of national defense and would execute a declaration of war. What he has correctly pointed out is our foreign policy has weakened our national defense. Check out http://www.examiner.com/independent-in-salt-lake-city/you-like-ron-paul-except-on-foreign-policy-video-2.
Eastern44 wrote: “I understand if you do not accept Dr Paul’s explanation regarding the newsletters, that he did not write them and disavows the views there”.
I don’t accept it because it’s an incredible claim, as Kirchick demonstrates in his WS article.
Do you believe Paul’s story that, despite his name being on the top of each of those newsletters, despite him being an officer of the company that published the newsletters and despite him getting rich off the newsletters he was unaware of the gushing swear-pipe of racism and anti-Semitism over a period of years?
If you believe that then you’ll believe anything.
Yes, I do not contest your non-acceptance of Dr Paul’s explanation. But Mr Radosh begins by saying, “let us look vividly at everything Ron Paul stands for.” Even with my own questions about the newsletters I can still go to Dr Paul’s own statements on foreign policy and see if they are anti-Semitic. As I’ve said, the things we know Ron Paul has said, his principles, his consistency, his associations in the past, all contradict the charge of anti-Semitism. If his foreign policy (towards all nations) drawn from the Constitution and the Founding Fathers (ie pre-1948) leads to consistent conclusions on Israel that match Netanyahu’s stance, then why doesn’t that make the PM of Israel anti-Semitic as well?
In reply to the comment of Eastern44 on 21 DEC @ 4:04PM:
I think you misunderstand or distort Radosh if you believe that he does not feel that Paul’s obvious lies regarding his participation in the newsletter are significant in assessing Paul, including whether he is an anti-Semite and racist.
It seems to me that you don’t want to address the following questions: 1. Was Paul aware of anti-Semitic and racist content of his own news-letters (I would say that “Yes” is the only plausible answer)? and 2. If he was aware doesn’t that make him either (or both) an anti-Semite and racist or an amoral peddler of pseudo-intellectual polemic-porn? Would you not agree that Paul is also a pathetic and absurd coward for offering ridiculous denials of his obvious involvement in these sordid activities.
As to Paul having a view on Iran which (as you put it) “match(es) Netanyahu’s stance”, that is ridiculous. Netanyahu has been the foremost world leader responsible for identifying the essential terrorist nature of the government of Iran, for identifying the threat its nuclear program presents to the whole world, but especially Israel, the US and Europe, and for calling for swift and decisive measures to end that threat.
I went to Paul’s campaign website to see if he addresses Iran. There is no mention of it in the sections on National Defense or Foreign Policy. On the other hand, in the section of Foreign Policy, Paul does offer this important position: “Prevent the TSA from forcing Americans to either be groped or ogled just to travel on an airplane and ultimately abolish the unconstitutional agency”. Bottom line; Netanyahu is concerned with the threat of Iranian WMD and Paul of focused on ogling.
As to Paul having views on foreign policy constant with those of the Founders, that is demonstrably false. In fact, Washington favored temporary alliances to deal with security threats and Jefferson launched a military expansion program and a foreign war to deal with overseas piracy. That’s how the Founders thought and acted the era of horse and sailing ship transport. It’s my opinion that, if the courageous and brilliant Washington and Jefferson were alive today, their policies would be close to that of Netanyahu and 180 degrees away from the views of the cowardly, dishonest and weird Ron Paul.
He’s disavowed writing them. He’s disavowed knowing about them.
I have not heard him disavow the views expressed.
There’s a huge difference.
One of the more effective ways of lying is to say things that create an IMPRESSION that something was said, when it was not. For example, the marketing phrase, “Compare at $99.95!” leaves the impression that similar products cost $99.95. In fact, nothing of the sort was said. (In fact, it’s not even a sentence – zero information is transmitted.)
For another example, see Alan Keyes’ assessment of Rick Perry’s speech at the Prayer Rally in Texas a few months ago. Perry did a masterful job of saying absolutely nothing while creating an impression of making substantial statements.
Disavowing the WRITING of an article or KNOWING about the article is not the same as disavowing the views expressed in the article. An honest man would answer the question honestly. Paul does not.
I’ve seen several interviews where Dr. Paul was asked a fair, straightforward question about his views about Jews, due to his long and well-documented association with neo-Nazi groups. In fact, at the time I first saw such an interview, I was a big fan of Dr. Paul. His obvious dodging and ducking surprised me, and I started looking into him further.
His hatred of Jews is obvious to anyone with an open mind. This is not a conclusion drawn from his stated views on Middle East policy, but from his own words and actions.
However, it does EXPLAIN his Middle East policy.
I want to you remember something. Just because you have not seen something, does not mean it doesn’t exist. Imagine that. Here is Ron Paul disavowing such personal views:
“No, I’m not a racist. One of my heroes is Rosa Parks… Martin Luther King…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKBlk1Vpeuw
Now don’t ever do that again. It’s slanderous.
MarcH and Mark v,
In 2008, Dr Paul issued a statement that said, “The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed.” He also said, “For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.” http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/01/08/idUS233377+08-Jan-2008+BW20080108.
These quotes shows the significance of Ron Paul’s participation in the newsletters. He failed in his oversight. Consequently, the trust that he placed in others was abused. That does not make him an anti-Semite. What can be asked is: why is he associated so closely with anti-Semites? Libertarianism is a wide tent since it looks at people as individuals rather than groups. As a result, people are brought together who are not otherwise united racially, religiously or any other basis. I personally find myself with people who I have major differences regarding moral matters.
If you want to know Ron Paul’s views consider what he has actually said and stood for – which you have started to address. I will merely give details of what I have already said while responding to your points.
Ron Paul credits Murray Rothbard for his interest in economics. He is a Jewish man whom Dr Paul got to know well and who introduced him to the Austrian School of Economics. This new understanding led him to enter politics when Nixon changed the currency from the gold standard to a fiat currency. Would an anti-Semite be personally influenced by a Jewish man to the extent that he would leave a highly skilled medical specialty to enter politics in the first place?
Go back and look at the international reaction to Israel’s bombing of Iraq’s nuclear reactor in 1981. Yet at that time Ron Paul argued that Israel has the right to defend itself. To do this despite criticism and opposition is courageous. Why would an anti-Semite do this? See also http://israel-commentary.org/?p=462
Ron Paul’s foreign policy will end foreign aid to all countries. Why would an anti-Semite withdraw all aid to all of Israel’s enemies?
I didn’t compare Netanyahu and Ron Paul on Iran. I should have quoted Netanyahu on the House floor: “You don’t need to send American troops to Israel. We defend ourselves.” Why is it anti-Semitic for Paul to say Israel can defend themselves but it’s not when the Israeli PM says it?
To say that Washington formed temporary alliances and Jefferson went to war only contradicts Paul if he was a pacifist. He’s not a pacifist. He’s a non-interventionist. He believes in a strong national defense but to recognise that we can’t be the policeman of the world. Check out Washington’s farewell address. Jefferson said, “peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none”. John Quincy Adams, “America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.” The Founders had these views, yet defended their country. Likewise, it’s wrong to infer that non-interventionism is weak on national defense.
None of this rules out war with Iran. But we have heard the war propaganda before, bringing us into war with Iraq on faulty grounds. Obedience to the Constitution requires a declaration of war by Congress and so hopefully a sober consideration by the people and their representatives.
Eastern44 wrote above on 23 DEC @ 7:39 AM: “I didn’t compare Netanyahu and Ron Paul on Iran” but Eastern 44 also wrote at comment #4 on 21 DEC @ 5:05 AM: “His (Paul’s) stated position matches that of Mr Netanyahu and his speech on the House floor”.
On Planet Earth, if one writes “A matches B” then that is a comparison. I can’t figure out the rules on Bizarro Planet Paul except that cowardly, lying twerps seem to equal Thomas Jefferson.
Here’s one last response to Eastern44:
Eastern44 wrote: “MarcH and Mark v,
In 2008, Dr Paul issued a statement that said, “The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed.” He also said, “For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.” http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/01/08/idUS233377+08-Jan-2008+BW20080108“.
So exactly what is the consequence of Paul’s claim of “moral responsibility” for the gushing swear of racism and anti-Semitism in his newsletters, those newsletters on whose board he served as an officer and which paid him over USD one million? Has he revealed exactly who were the employees who wrote that stuff and has he disassociated himself from them? His explanation is an obvious crock. The problem with lies is that the more one tells in an attempt to protect themselves the more absurd they seem. Paul is caught in his own immoral quick-sand.
I am checking out of this thread. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to normal PJM readers and Happy Bizzaro Day to Paul-bots.
Yes well a state run by only one religious/ethnic group is a million miles from any considerations of bigotry or racism isn’t it?
I can’t even marry a woman there. I recommend Comparative Analysis plus common sense plus a dictionary minus taking sides and then read what you wrote.
Who is the fool? Those of you who cannot see the forest for the trees. Have you not noticed in the last 3 plus years how many crisis have occurred? Those crisis were orchestrated by the left at the very top called the puppeteers. They create a crisis to say “See, we are right. We must do this or that…following their agenda.” The Gulf oil spill is a perfect example…The puppeteers hands are clean. (With layers of foundations and companies between them and the culprits, it is impossible to prosecute the guilty who are calling the shots.) Meanwhile, the various industries in the Gulf have been paralyzed and many people are unemployed as a result. Destroy America is the agenda and that did a good job furthering their agenda. In addition, follow the money…Soros invested heavily in Brazilian oil drilling off their shores and Obama promised Brazil that the USA would buy Brazilian oil due to our domestic shortage (the Gulf spill moratorium). Who stands to gain? The investors (the puppeteers) in Brazilian Oil….. Pay attention!
Let Dr. Paul repudiate his Stormtruther backing, and his remaining two supporters will be justified in calling for a withdrawal of the charge of anti-Semitism.
Insert hand clapping here. Haven’t encountered a Paulist yet that was not a “truther”.
Then you don’t get out much.
Ron Paul “I don’t want white supremacists support”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gKXyBgr24c
Also may be interested in:
Ron Paul on Defense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATmUE8TCmjE
I don’t see any evidence that Dr. Paul has any racist anything in him. This is simply a ploy to keep a 3rd party candidate from getting into the race. If he were racist it would have been brought out many times over the last 20 years. This is the republican party doing just what it accuses the democratic party of doing. If all else fails call him racist. Maybe it is the republican party that needs to make changes? The republican party has hijacked the tea party movement which is too bad. This started out to be a great thing but the Tea Party is now in danger of being just a failed movement taken over by one of the major parties. I hope we smarten up and reject both parties.
You have to remember a few things. Neoconservatives are often older, former liberals. And PJ is chock full of neoconservative writers and readers.
Politics as usual…dirty politics. Newsletters, emails, etc. are all subject to sabotage….just ask any computer expert. Past voting records, associations, past speeches, endorsements, etc. speak volumes….The left will always buy “the dirt”, case in point, Herman Cain. Enough said.
I don’t understand the weird double views of AIPAC: it makes no secret of its aims and it is not illegal or immoral in terms of a general norm in American politics. The situation for Israel is not a game but survival so I understand the imperative. We have protective alliances with many countries and that idea does not rise to the level of a conspiracy. Imagine if Europe wanting NATO intact was considered some weird and unnatural urge? Many countries court America and do so in different ways, inside and outside America and in many different forms.
What I have trouble understanding is this: AIPAC wants to be successful, obviously, so why pillory anyone who says they are, even calling them an anti-Semite? It’s a semantic game where you want AIPAC to be successful but not too successful but just successful enough and it comes out as gibberish and I don’t get it.
I don’t care anything for Friedman one way or the other: he lives the equivalent life of a Mughal prince detached from reality with a harem of 100 women and 100 peacocks singing lovely laments in his pleasure gardens in the moonlight. However we are all adults and “bought and paid for” is not a phrase that needs to be micro-managed as the gist is one well understood in terms of lobbyists and used freely with CAIR and other groups as needed.
I agree that the phrase can suggest an immoral activity or even illegal one but I myself consider corporate campaign contributions immoral and they are presently not illegal because of one person on the Supreme Court, hardly a clear moral mandate. As for lobbying Obama didn’t start having his people meet lobbyists in a coffee shop because lobbying is considered an all-American sport – many people don’t like it. What Friedman and others need to ask themselves is whether they are against lobbies, only some lobbies, or only some successful lobbies.
Friedman based his remark that the congress is “bought and paid for” on the contrast between the congress’ reaction to Netanyahu’s speech and the anticipated reaction it would have gotten if Netanyahu had made the same speech in an American campus. And he’s perfectly right that the reaction on campus would have been very negative – they would have shouted him down, and he might even have been physically assaulted, which is the kind of reception every pro-Israel speaker, or even those who are “insufficiently” anti-Israel, get on American campuses. But Friedman was very wrong to assume the hatred for Israel in the academic and media circles he frequents represents the prevalent sentiment of the American public at large. Poll after poll shows that the majority of Americans supports Israel. Here’s some data from Gallup:
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The data shows not only that the majority of Americans support Israel, but breaking it into party affiliation an overwhelming majority of Republicans supports Israel – 80-85% in the last couple of years. Therefore it’s no surprise that the Israeli PM gets a positive reception in the American congress that represents the American people, and not the American academia, particularly when there’s a hostile Democrat president in the WH and a Republican majority in congress. The enthusiastic reception expressed a Republican defiance against the Democrat admin policies at least as much as it expressed support for Israel.
Will Friedman next claim that the Elders of Zion pay off something like 60-70% of the American people?
The American congress represents the American people only slightly more than Wells’s Martians represented Woking.
“I don’t understand the weird double views of AIPAC”
AIPAC originally was connected to, or more associated with, the Republican Party, in the 1980′s. Leftists focused their obsessions on AIPAC because it distracted them from examining the anti-semitic content of anti-”Zionism” coming from the Soviet bloc. Also, it made them feel secure from being called anti-semitic or racists themselves. The same phenomenon occurs with the “Likudnik” obsession, even though Israeli policies are the same without Likud. Likud is id’d as the “right wing” party.
There is a new mini-surge of faux-hip anti-Israelism among the chatttering class like Friedman. I expect it has something to do with Israel’s seeming dissing of Obama, although every other nation has done it. Where is the anti-Honduranism? Obama put a lot on the line at seeming “powerful” by telling allies off, while begging for conversations from Iran. It used to be talked about even in the liberal press two years ago. I also think the ARab Spring and Wikileaks, and other things, have shown that Israel is not the center of Arabs’ thinking, which is disturbing for the lefties.
“What I have trouble understanding is this: AIPAC wants to be successful,”
It is a matter of a priori beliefs. Anti-semites and those impressed with them, like Friedman seems tobe, already believe the “Jews” or whomever, control everything. Therefore if “AIPAC” prints a notice “we’re one of the top lobby groups” this is proof to the anti-semite of control. All other lobbyists would be questioned as to their puffing and exaggeration, just like any firm supplying a product. That is, AIPAC saying it is successful is not bragging, but presumed to be factual proof for anti-semites.
The plain fact is, is that without 30 years of left-wing anti-semitic/zionist obsessing about AIPAC, AIPAC would be little today. AIPAC was barely a blip in the 1980′s until the left moved to make it its bogeyman. The Mearsheimer “paper” begins with a criticism about this obsession with AIPAC, but that is one nut trying to talk sense to a whole bunch of other nuts.
Crabtree,
You have made a n important point that rarely gets aired even in forums like this. Aipac, like the Jews themselves, are used as a strawman by people who detest Israel and American support for it.
Support for Israel is driven by the electorate, that’s why candidates in both parties always play up their friendship to Israel during election cycles. Once they are comfortably elected, they abandon their fervent pro-Israel stance and adopt the State Department policy of “evenhandedness” once elected. Every finalist Democrat and Republican Presidential candidate in memory has promised to move the US embassy to Jerusalem, Israel’s capital. But once in office, they fail to live up to their promise.
People who attack Ron Paul should avoid the name calling, like the anti-Semite term. Paul is a clever politician who has learned to avoid displays of overt bigotry. It is his policies and the conspiratorial worldview expressed by many of his supporters that give away the game.
I hope some day, a responsible politician will have the courage to try to explain to the American people about the Federal Reserve and other institutions put in place to stabilize our economy, so that well-meaning people can understand that even though such institutions have been poorly led and at times corrupted by politics, they are not intrinsically part of some conspiracy.
Many people seem unaware that depressions like what happened in the 1930s are a recurring feature of market based economies. Government institutions were created to address this. There were equally as devastating downturns in the 1800s. It is not some conspiracy, it is a feature of human nature.
Whackjobs tend to congregate whether they be right or left. And after all, the political line is not linear but circular and eventually the twain does meet.
I’m beginning to take the view that, by hook or crook, Obama wins no matter who runs and a third party is irrelevant. I’m also thinking it may not be such a bad thing.
Lets say Romney wins, we patch things up, stumble along a little further. The ship is still going to sink. Let Captain Obama hasten things along and bring us to doomsday: we will rebuild.
I realize that is anathema to most (used to be me) but, face it, we’re done at least fiscally. The whole world is.
Collapse is inevitable so bring it on and let our political betters (Ryan, Rubio, Christie, etc) get started while they are still young.
It’s crazy enough it just might work.
Why do you think your fellow countrymen would suddenly become rational and automatically turn to reason, capitalism and freedom if it suffers a complete financial collapse? It is more likely a frightened public would call for a dystopian solution and the world would fall into some kind of dark age.
We must fight against such a calamity at every turn. If that means voting against a espoused egalitarian & would-be dictator by voting for the imperfect defender of freedom, so be it.
I completely agree David. The Dark Ages are coming again so get it started and get it over with. There will be no reason or enlightenment to speak of at the beginning but leaders would emerge (I hope)and someday, I pray, America would rise again.
The parasite is killing the host. Let them both die and start over because band aids and castor oil are just kicking the cure down the road.
To whatever extent the world is falling apart it is due to the Third World exporting babies they cannot support and the West being stupid enough to allow it. Failure is therefore spread like a plague. It’s a huge generality but I think it’s true as far as it goes. Let half the world reside in endemic failure that is its own creation.
I fear you maybe right. The left seems to be too embedded in our institutions, and the people sufficiently dumbed down expecting bread and circus. The Republicans in the House don’t really seem to want to affect change back to a fiscally conservative constitutional government, in fact they are not even bothering to debate the bills in committee and have floor votes like they are supposed to. To big to fail and pass it to see what’s in ginormous omnibus bills that no one bothers to read and bureaucrats fill in the blanks has become the governing norm. How silly is this fight over a two month 2% SSI holiday that puts pennies in our pockets and does more harm to SSI? All the actions of this president by design or accident, hook or crook seemed to lead to an huge American downgrade, yet he still has a floor of support that mirrors Clinton’s plurality winning election numbers.
Maybe the reason Bibi got such a reception is because Congress realized that for the first time in years a statesman and leader was standing in from of them actually worthy of applause.
Ron Paul can weasel all he wants. I dont know if he is truly antisemitic and his stance on Israel is consistent with his general crackpot views on FP. Nonetheless he reeks of it and the stink is not going to wash off no matter what he says.
I hold libertarian views but quit dabbling with Libertarian party and websites when I found an astonishing core of antisemitism there particularly among the Paulian wing of the movement. I once called the LP to complain when I saw a holocaust denial conference (featuring Carto and others) advertised in their newletter. That did it for me.
One such website is http://www.antiwar.com, run by the libertarian Justin Raimondo, a passionate supporter (and apologist) of Ron Paul. His latest column defends the “gentle doctor” and claims that his newsletters contain only a few objectionable words out of multitudes, and that those words can’t be attributed to Paul in any case. The scary people who post messages on that site are a perfect reflection of the rabid fanatics who kiss the ground Paul walks on. Antiwar.com is one of the places Paulbots go to get indoctrinated.
The name calling and smearing on this site is really pathetic. If anyone dares criticize ANYTHING involving Jews/Israel/etc. they are automatically blckballed. Since when did being a conservative have anything to do with a country in the middle east? I thought conservatism meant sticking to the principles of the Constitution. Ah but that’s before the definition began to change. Perhaps I am a PALEO conservative rather than the latest incarnation. Did it ever occur to anyone that if you continue to call names that you will turn more and more people off? I distinctly REMEMBER reading in the WSJ just after 9/11 that Isaelis were wondering how we would view their country since this happened to us. Sounded to me like they were drawing the same conclusions that Ron Paul might. Their other comment was NOW WE KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE ATTACKED FROM WITHIN. Some friend. I have no problem with Isreal. In fact I think she should bomb the hell out of all her enemies. But getting a little tired when the bona fides for a conservative candidate have to be vetted heavily in that direction. More concerned about what is happening in America than anywhere else. And I think I echo the sentiments of millions. Sick of the Middle East. Sick of the death of our fighting men/women. Sick of the expense and the drain on the public’s purse. Our blood and treasure are running dry.
Generally speaking I agree. These old world feuds have no place in a country that has traditionally looked to the future for inspiration and not the past. We’re being dragged into a garbage pit and 9/11 should’ve been a wake up call to disassociate ourselves from stupidity. We need oil: that doesn’t mean we have to micro manage morons or take planes in buildings. What the hell is the big deal about pumping oil out of the ground without violence? Seems to be Texas supplied Minnesota with oil a long time ago without it turning into a cartel of terrorists.
Calling Israel “an aggressive, national socialist state”, i.e. a Nazi state, in one of his newsletters is not just “criticize ANYTHING involving Jews/Israel/etc.” Suggesting that the 93 World Trade Center attack might have been “a setup by the Israeli Mossad” in another newsletter is not just “criticize ANYTHING involving Jews/Israel/etc.” These are vicious lies, not criticism. Other favorites from his newsletter include an alleged black-American conspiracy in which gangs of black girls between the ages of 12 and 14 roamed the streets of New York injecting white women with HIV, and praising the “1,500 local militias now training to defend liberty” as “one of the most encouraging developments in America.” On another occasion he blamed the CIA of a coup and said the CIA should be taken out.
He also claimed American kids are sent to fight for Israel – this is also not just “criticize ANYTHING involving Jews/Israel/etc.” The fact is the US sent its army to defend American allies in places such as Korea, Vietnam and Kuwait, and has a protective military presence in many countries in Europe and Asia, but it NEVER sent American troops to fight for Israel in any of the Arab-Israeli wars, nor does it have protective military bases in Israel. The American army in the Middle East protects American oil interests in the Gulf states, not Israel. So how come one of the few American allies you NEVER sent your army to fight for, with or against, NOR have a protective American military presence in, is the ONLY American ally accused of sending American kids to war? Why don’t people accuse, say, Kuwait where you actually DID sent American kids to fight and where you have American military presence, and instead blame Israel that always defended herself with her own army?
Likewise Friedman claiming the American congress is “bought and paid for” by a pro-Israel lobby is not just “criticize ANYTHING involving Jews/Israel/etc.” – it means some group of Jews bought most, if not the entire, American congress and therefore effectively controls America. And Joe Klein’s assertion that neocons “send American kids off to war… to fight for Israel’s national security” is not just “criticize ANYTHING involving Jews/Israel/etc.” It again says that a group of Jews controls America and sends the American army to fight for Israel.
Seeing all that coming from both the left and the right, including from Jews, and being mainstreamed in the mass media is indeed alarming. Dark days are coming.
I am sorry, but Ron Paul is a loon. I tried as hard as I could to see him as a viable candidate but he is too far gone on his thoughts on the world around us. We need a President that does not look to start wars, but is not against fighting for our liberty and our freedome to exist. We can do this with our allies Israel. Trusting and verifying with our adversaries and making them understand we mean business without starting wars. Instead Ron paul seems like he would hesitate just to protect our own interest. I do not know about you Ron Paul fans, but as for me, we want to protect our freedoms from outside and within…just sayin!
To judge from their fervor, their nonsensical and robotic nature, and the tenor of Paulian’s comments I have seen on a number of blogs, and the shouting that occurs every time Paul’s name is announced in a debate, many of his supporters, to put it bluntly, are just as much a bunch of brainwashed fanatics as were the people hysterically crying at Obama campaign rallies during the last campaign.
Paul may have some good ideas with regard to our economy, the Federal Reserve, and our money supply, but his views on other issues a President will have to address, such as his ill-informed, pacifistic, Isolationist, call all our troops home, we have no, nor need any Allies, “Fortress America” foreign policy, are a recipe for disaster.
Then, as well, there the very troubling newsletters—full of racist and anti-Semitic comments—he published in past decades.
And now, just yesterday, Paul called Bradley Manning, the Army intelligence specialist currently on trial–potentially for death penalty Treason–for stealing thousands of classified U.S. documents and leaking them to Wikileaks a “Hero,” and unsavory Julian Assange’s Wikileaks a Hero as well—even though these leaks—in deliberate and direct contravention of the oaths Manning took– severely damaged our relations with many countries, damaged and weakened our foreign policy, and likely caused the deaths of some of those people specifically named in these documents as working for us in foreign countries hostile to the U.S.
In sum, the apparent cult of ranting, ill-informed, Isolationist Ron Paul is just not what this country needs, and never will need.
Mr. Radosh,
Dangerous campaign? From your title I get the impression that you think Ron Paul is going to do something illegal. That’s journalism though, right, hook them with the headline? Wow, I guess we know where you stand, objectively, not. Comparison to Mike Huckabee in 2008? Hm, seems like we’ve lived a lifetime since then doesn’t it? Huckabee, who I liked, didn’t have a plan to reduce spending quite like Paul plans to. On foreign policy, read this. http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/19/why-conservatives-must-adopt-ron-pauls-foreign-policy/. Show me a candidate who has some sound financial policy ideas and I’ll listen. Though a stretch, he’s the closest thing to Reagan that we have in this field, someone who has the guts to stand up when everyone else is sitting (or lying) down. Not electable? That phrase is tired; since when has anybody been “electable”? This is on par with “good looking”. If you like the candidate, do your due diligence, then vote. I read this blog less now than I used to because I’ve lost respect for your writing.
Don’t sweat it, Bodman: conservatives have been thrashing libertarians as dangerous, creeping-and-creepy, and all sorts of other stuff since around the time we said “wait, what” when we refused to sit down and shut up for BushCo’s blowing up the budget. I mean, Paul’s a kook on foreign policy and everybody knows it, so why *wouldn’t* you rather cheerlead for one of the soulless demogogues like Romney, Perry, or Gingrich?
Chicken Little – 1943
It’s the tale of Chicken Little, only with Foxy Loxy being a cunning villain who uses a number of psychological tactics to drive a farm-ful of animals into a cave to be eaten. Slightly disturbing and quite political at the same time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnp4kj5lLOU
I will leave aside Ron Paul’s coy winking and eyelash-batting with antisemites. I will leave aside his relying on such antisemites for his funding.
Paul’s inability—or intentional refusal—to understand the nature of the enemy which attacked us on 9/11 unfits him for any consideration of the Presidency at all. His lionizing of Bradley Manning as a “hero” and “patriot” unfits him for the position of Commander-in-Chief. His mindless repeating, in the last debate, of the utterly discredited Lancet figure of “one million Iraqis” killed by the US shows him to be either dishonest or a man of sloppy mind.
Ron Paul’s thirty years of ineffectiveness™ in the House of Representatives is being sold to a knot of gullible and unreasoning boobs as proof positive of his innate virtue; apparently, the reasoning runs that since the current Congress and the current political scene generally is utterly dismal, Paul’s utter ineffectuality is proof positive of his rightness and virtue. This is truly weapons-grade stupidity.
Assuming that Paul—God forbid—were elevated to his level of uber-incompetence as the Presidential candidate of the Peter Principle Party, he would embark upon a reign-by-fiat that would make Barack Obama look like a believer in Constitutional government. He would have to, because his undeserved elevation to the Oval Office would not magically change his ideas from crank to cogent, nor alter his powers of persuasion from nonexistent to mighty—and Paul himself, raised far above his deserts, would incorrectly take his rise to indicate a mandate for the enactment of his monomanias, just as Barack Obama did.
Ron Paul is Noam Chomsky for the “Atlas Shrugged” set.
I agree: even if one sides with Manning an oath is an oath and not optional and people in gov’t judging him need to honor theirs. If one thinks taking an oath may compromise their morals become a plumber and not a sanctuary mayor.
Speaking as one of those “kooks” who actually supports Ron Paul on a great many things, I agree that he goes way too far sometimes. He shouldn’t have endorsed Manning’s actions in any way, shape, or form. Nor should he have said that Bachmann hates Muslims. That crap is completely uncalled for, and it’s what gets even conservative libertarians like myself to shake their heads and wish someone else would appear on the national stage to defend Paul’s positions.
Friedman is a hack. Pulitzer prizes are easy to win when your wife sits on the prize committee. And the NYTimes has gone from $50 a share to $7 over the last half dozen or so years as readers abandon its blathering in droves. Perhaps the no-nothing writers who toil at The Times are looking for controversy to increase circulation. Whatever their reasoning the result is clear- while some may cling to as the last bastion of liberal lunacy others look forward to papering their bird cages , not with it’s pages but with its stock certificates. Thats poetic justice.
What a perfectly diagrammatically drawn maze we have enveloped ourselves into. However my intuitive sense tells me we did not draw this maze, it was drawn an designated as to how to successfully declaw the opposition in November 2012. And no doubt was drawn up in November 2008. Simple, red state America is handed a clean cut boy scout straight Mormon (Not) excuse me! Mormon Bishop. Evangelical red alert signals go off from sea to shining sea, and the gatekeepers present us with de facto candidate. #1 a Texas governor who seems to be channeling live and in color the spirit of George the Bush the II. He seems to have talked himself out of the race. #2, a black republican, former Federal Reserve official with a preening self confidence that only repeated kneecappings aimed at his moral fitness as regards his marital fidelities. So long farewell bye bye. #3 a double dealing sophist with the kind of baggage typically associated with a sixties & seventies jet-setters with a taste for Tiffanies and well?……. #4 well he waited in the wings long enough and now for our pleasure or otherwise here he is another disaster. Will he have the temerity to run as a third party candidate. The DSA or maybe the DNC plan to run as many 3rd party rivals as it will take to re-elect his highness ( crack cocaine maryjuana) The trap is set, now all they need is for the fools to take the bait. The Republican National Convention will be either truly a revolutionary event or the party will fade into the horizon, forever. John Huntsman, Boo hoo hoo! Pleassse. The other two candidates I reserve not to mention their names in this rant. The honorable lady from Minnesota does not deserve to be disparaged by being associated with the mule braying that passes as discourse or debate amongst us.
You’re attacking Ron Paul but using none of his words (only words from a newsletter which were allegedly his). Dr. Paul is actually the most Zionist candidate in the primaries, because he believes in the sovereignty of Israel. What GOP candidate would not expect a phone call from Israel prior to a strike on Iran? Only Ron Paul – all the others would want Israel to “check in” with us before doing anything that might be in their own interest (but not necessarily ours).
Israel should be free to defend themselves as they see fit, and to negotiate peace as they choose, without the meddling of America in their affairs. Israeli independence is a Zionist position, and Paul is the only candidate who supports a truly independent Israel. They are an ally; not a puppet. They do not need to check in with us, to ask us for permission, or to be at our beck and call.
This article is a great refutation of Klein, but little else.
“Dr. Paul is actually the most Zionist candidate in the primaries”
I wonder how many times we’ll be subjected to this brazen lie from Paul’s propagandists.
I wonder how many convulsions Ron Paul would endure if he learned that he was “the most Zionist candidate in the primaries.”
Hey, I’ve got a great idea for a Ron Paul ad. It’s sure to be warmly received by his fanatical supporters: Ron Paul wearing a yarmulke, declaring that he’s the most ardent Zionist in the primaries!
How well do you think that would go over among Paul’s fanbase?
Would Paul ever use the veto to protect Israel at the UN? Or would he allow the world to cripple it with sanctions?
Could Paul be counted on to resupply Israel in the event of war?
RP would be the one most likely to reject UN sanctions. If anyone would remove the US from that cesspool it would be him.
How has the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama policy of “peace process” been working? It’s been a slow bleed for Israel. Doesn’t it make more sense to quit funding their enemies and take the position that Israel has the right defend herself as she sees fit?
But precisely because we are allies Israel should contact us. For one, in case they need help, and two, because of blowback. Last thing we need is accusations of intervening secretly if we did not.
I agree with Caroline Glick that Tom von Friedmann is now a dyed in the wool Israel hater. I dont think he always was, but has evolved into one, and evolution to Israel hating is usually not reversible. The reason that Tom Friedman hates people like you and I is that zionists have not followed his prescriptions, ranging from the Saudi Peace Plan (which Tom was a major contributor to) to the insolence of Israeli democracy to elect Bibi Netanyahu as PM. In a way, this is reminiscent of Martin Luther, who initially expected Jews to convert en masse to Lutheranism, and when they didnt, he became the father of German antisemitism.
The reason why the comparison of Toms comments to President Bush’s is off the mark is because President Bush didnt realize the historic resonance of his comment, while Uncle Tom does. In fact, I believe that Tom Friedmans goals from that column is to create a “useful anti-Semitism”, to threaten American Jewry to fall behind his agenda. This is a different anti-Semitism from Nazi anti-Semitism, but aims to limit the pro-Israel activism of American Jewry in the same way Charles Lindbergh used anti-Semitism to promote isolationism. It also makes forgiveness meaningless, because the damage has already been done. The language of neo-Nazi groups such as Stormfront, ie “zionist occupation government” now graces the editorial pages of Americas “paper of record”. To paraphrase Mr Friedman, if Tom was on the faculty of the University of Wisconsin, he could be cited for plagiarism of Stormfront.
Finally, you compare Tom Friedman to Noam Chomsky. Other than Chomsky’s endorsement of Holocaust denial, the viewpoints of the two men have become pretty similar. Tom now joins Chomsky, Mearsheimer, and Gilad Atzmon in their hatred for the Jewish state. Finally, you mention the very real problem of anti-Semitism in Europe and the Muslim world. While this is a real problem, the roots of the problem arise from Jews like Friedman, Atzmon, and Howard Gutman, who feel that the hate is justified. Every anti-Semite can find their favorite Jew to hide behind. This is why there is no room in our tent for Tom Friedman. Israel and the Jewish people should respond with ostracism. No more invitations to book festivals, synagogues or federations. This will be the ultimate punishment for a man addicted to his own voice
Any non-practitioner of Pharisaism that has read the Talmud can understand why Luther had an issue, along with Mohammed ( I always wonder if they beheaded the guy that put the ham in Mohammed, Calvin, Wesley, various Popes, Henry the VIII etc. He was not the father of German antisemitism, antisemitism was around in Germany long before Luther got cranked up.
But then pointing that out would be antisemitic huh?
If Paul goes third party then he is not a patriot. He might even have enough Perot level support to throw the election to Obama, and if Paul is too egotistical to realize the danger to our country in re-electing the president then Paul’s talk of libertarian constitutionalism is phoney. For all his many years in congress talking the talk he has had very little effect and how many tries now for the brass ring?
I agree with Caroline Glick that Tom is now a dyed in the wool Israel hater. I dont think he always was, but has evolved into one, and evolution to Israel hating is usually not reversible. The reason that Tom Friedman hates people like you and I is that zionists have not followed his prescriptions, ranging from the Saudi Peace Plan (which Tom was a major contributor to) to the insolence of Israeli democracy to elect Bibi Netanyahu as PM. In a way, this is reminiscent of Martin Luther, who initially expected Jews to convert en masse to Lutheranism, and when they didnt, he became the father of German antisemitism.
The reason why the comparison of Toms comments to President Bush’s is off the mark is because President Bush didnt realize the historic resonance of his comment, while Uncle Tom does. In fact, I believe that Tom Friedmans goals from that column is to create a “useful anti-Semitism”, to threaten American Jewry to fall behind his agenda. This is a different anti-Semitism from Nazi anti-Semitism, but aims to limit the pro-Israel activism of American Jewry in the same way Charles Lindbergh used anti-Semitism to promote isolationism. It also makes forgiveness meaningless, because the damage has already been done. The language of neo-Nazi groups such as Stormfront, ie “zionist occupation government” now graces the editorial pages of Americas “paper of record”. To paraphrase Mr Friedman, if Tom was on the faculty of the University of Wisconsin, he could be cited for plagiarism of Stormfront.
Finally, you compare Tom Friedman to Noam Chomsky. Other than Chomsky’s endorsement of Holocaust denial, the viewpoints of the two men have become pretty similar. Tom now joins Chomsky, Mearsheimer, and Gilad Atzmon in their hatred for the Jewish state. Finally, you mention the very real problem of anti-Semitism in Europe and the Muslim world. While this is a real problem, the roots of the problem arise from Jews like Friedman, Atzmon, and Howard Gutman, who feel that the hate is justified. Every anti-Semite can find their favorite Jew to hide behind. This is why there is no room in our tent for Tom Friedman. Israel and the Jewish people should respond with ostracism. No more invitations to book festivals, synagogues or federations. This will be the ultimate punishment for a man addicted to his own voice
At the age of 65, I insist that i know a Jew hater when I see one. I also think I can distinguish between rational folk and loonies. Ron Paul is both a Jew hater and a loony. His ready acceptance by journalists and his rise to prominence in national politics would be amazing if Barack Obama were not President. After Obama, nothing surprises me.
Thomas Friedman’s sympathy for the Palestinians is rooted in terror and dhimmitude. Thomas Friedman has been terrified of being targeted for assassination by radical Islamists since he was young American Jewish reporter covering the PLO. That fear and the need to publicly deny and rationalize it has always colored Friedman’s opinions.
Friedman is a stinky skunk with the face of a fat gerbil. Silencing his criticism of Jews and Israel can be easily accomplished. Friedman simply needs to be as afraid of a Jewish knife parting his ribs as he is afraid of a Muslim knife. Only physical threat motivates a morally degenerate, physically timid creep the like of Thomas Friedman.
Joe Klein, like Friedman is an Jew who has made a career and earned a fortune pissing on Israel and its American supporters. Klein accounts himself a sophisticate based on his frequent flyer miles. He’s a jet-setter so surely he knows better than us home-bound provincials. Joe Klein has not served in the military, either here in the US or in Israel. But this doesn’t deter Joe Klein from agreeing with those who claim that Israel is defending itself with the blood of American servicemen and servicewomen. Joe Klein is a careerist kike and a flaming asshole.
Thomas Friedman, Joe Klein, Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, John Mearsheimer, Stephen Walt, Zbigniew Brezinski–birds of a feather. Each would be improved by a bullet in the head.
Brilliant. Just for the record, I can’t officially agree agree with your last line.
amen!–with that same caveat about your last line.
however, I do think each of them would be improved by losing their vast fortunes (or in Friedman’s case, his wife’s vast fortunes) and having to earn their living working at a Kinko’s, or maybe filing things in some office somewhere. or temping.
Here is a CNN interview with Paul today? during which he walked out when the questioning about his newsletters –which apparently said things like “Jews were behind the first, ’93 bombing of the Twin Towers” –got too intense (see http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ron-paul-gets-irked-by-newsletter-questions-walks-out-of-gloria-borger-interview/) .
Look, how is it that IOWA is setting the guide line for the Republican Party
POTUS Campaign.
The state is on the Government System with free loading Ethenol Farmers and they Have Tom Harken, TOM HARKEN as their Senator.
Plus, they don’t even Vote, they show up at a place, and sit with a group and have Coffee and talk.
They are all Feel Good Liberals out there and the State Income Tax Rates are Proof of my thoughts.
Who gives a Damn about Ron Paul.
The Jewish history is full of Friedmans, Kleins and Chomskys. If there is any silver lining in all pf this Is that the veil finally is has been pulled off. Now we can freely called them self hating Jewish loudly and without an apology.
Having reviewed the Friedman quote in context, I firmly believe his disgust with Bibi in front of Congress stuff about the “Jewish lobby” is a product of his own discomfort with Obama’s failings, and perhaps upset the Arab Springers are not yelling about Israel to the degree Western liberals think they should do so.
RP has zero chance of going anywhere in the primary and I believe or hope that he is enough of a patriot to realize what any third party run would lead to.
Generally a hit-piece works better with some quotes from your target.
“Why do we have this automatic commitment that we’re going to send our kids and send our money endlessly to Israel?”
That’s the sum total of Ron Paul quotes in the article and supposedly proof that he is a raving anti-Israel / anti-Semite. That’s it? Come on you can do better! This guy is starting to look like a serious threat to the mainline statist Republicans.
Oldie, the US has never—never—sent troops to defend Israel.
Never. The “send our kids” line fragment alone is enough to tag Paul as an antisemite and an ignorant boob—and, sad to say, yourself along with him if you do not know this.
As to money—yes, Israel has received aid and loan guarantees from the US. It is by no means alone in this, so unless you can articulate a reason why Israel alone should not receive foreign aid when scores of other countries do, or why aid to Israel should be singled out for scrutiny, you are tarring yourself (as Paul does himself) with the antisemite brush there too.
Oldie,
If you had to judge Obama by his 2008 pre-election words, you would have seen him as pro-Israel. Of course, your view might have changed if you could have seen his presentation at the Rashid Khalil dinner that has been kept from the American voters by the Los(t) Angeles Times. Please apply this insight to Ron Paul.
We overinterpret Ron Paul’s remarks because the voters will be forced to say “yes” or “no” to the candidates. We must grasp at straws because as mere humans we will never have full knowledge of the man’s soul. Most times we would not have to make commitments to someone for four or eight years. Here we do have to make such a commitment.
The damage done by Obama to America will in my humble opinion be no more than the damage that will be done by Ron Paul should he attain the presidency. We need someone in the White House that knows that “doing something” has to be done with great care – not ideological commitment. It is the difference between wielding a scalpel in surgery vs a machete in the streets. We need a true conservative with a small “c” – someone who will be smart enough to be careful enough to preserve us and our children and the country’s future. F*** change! The real work is in preservation.
Your quote is plagiarized from the Dinosaurs Convention Resolution of 6000 BC.
The problem with revealing the truth about Ron Paul is that it doesn’t bother his supporters at all. They buy it all, hook line and sinker, including the racism, anti-semitism and trutherism. You can’t reason with nutjobs.
Basically, what Paul has done is to create a cult of losers who find community in other losers as they pound on their tables in unison. They flock to him like bees to honey. The fact that the other 95% of the world look at them as kook fanatics isn’t a problem in their minds, it’s a feature. They thrive on it. It’s a kind of revenge against the people who have been rejecting them for decades.
Like the marxists, they can’t be reasoned with, they have to be defeated.
I’m always reminded of the junior college instructor who hit the big-time a few years ago and got on Fox News a few times to discuss his Truther proofs. He had adopted the persona of a completely reasonable academic. No matter what anyone said about his outrageous claims, he just calmly responded with his inane “facts” and by quoting other kooks who believed the same nutty things he believed. It was really pretty chilling to think there are thousands guys like him running around. Now they all beat tin drums for Ron Paul.
Whack job Ruby Ridge “Republicans” are the bottom of the barrel imbeciles who are Jew haters and black haters that make it easy for the communists to paint all Republicans as mouth-breathing imbeciles.
This is Ron Paul’s base.
They are more like Chomsky and Zinn than any real countryman.
Michael Moore and Sean Penn are more in line with their thinking and attitudes.
Divorce yourself from their brand of hateful propaganda.
I’m not convinced that Paul running as a third-party candidate would ensure the reelection of Obama.
1. It would be interesting to see some polling data on who Paul’s current supporters voted for (or if they voted at all) in 2008.
2. If Paul bows out at some point, I’m not sure his supports are the kind of people who will hold their noses and vote for the Republican nominee.
Historical rule no 1) No nation has ever prospered after electing a black President.
Historical rule no 2) No nation has ever prospered after electing an MD, of any specialty.
Please prove me wrong.
I wish I had been wrong on No 1.
What a ridiculous, offensive post.
It does bring up an interesting point, though.
Obama had the nerve to go around apologizing to the world about American imperialism rooted in racist intolerance (as the subtext), when many of the countries he was apologizing to (Arab world) would never in 1000 years elect a black man, or even hold elections, for that matter.
That point goes triple for the Euro countries who consider themselves so much more socially enlightened than the US.
Hey France, England, Germany, Spain, Scandinavia: Give us a call when you elect a black man, or even a North African, as Head of State. Until then, STFU.
Which also serves to underscore what an ignoramus and narcissist Obama is. making the apologies in the first place.
Regarding Ron Paul:
What kind of an ass makes excuses such as ‘Someone else wrote it, I just signed it’
Reminds me of Obama sitting in Wright’s church for 20 years. ‘I just sat there. I never heard him say it. Now that I want to be president, I repudiate it. Let’s move on.’
I’ve been saying the same thing. Nice to see someone else articulate the similarity to Obama.
I just heard that Gary Johnson has given up his campaign, such as it was, for the Republican nomination to run for the Libertarian Party.
Will Ron Paul run against Johnson for the Libertarians?
This just gets more fun!
– reading Joe Sobran and Andrew Sullivan. Either way, we can’t win with him.
O my goodness, we are doomed. The meek liberty loving doctor from Texas is the hidden grand master of the Klan! Surely he intends to bring back slavery!
http://takimag.com/article/why_the_beltway_libertarians_are_trying_to_smear_ron_paul/#axzz1h2S6u1c3
Racism is in the eye of the beholder. Obama exposed his children to “Reverend” Wright for 20 years and calls Al Sharpton his spiritual guide. Videos of Al Sharpton’s incindiary incitement to anti-Semitic riot in Crown Heights can be viewed on the internet. To Jesse Jackson, New York is Hymietown. Louis Farrakhan (Calypso Louie in an earlier minstrel show incarnation) calls Judaism a “dirty religion.” Reliable statistics demonstrate that African Americans are significantly more ant-Semitic than other Americans.
Barack Obama is a throwback to a category of African American corporate employee common during the early civil rights years known as a “front office Negro.” Front office Negros were handsome, pleasant, well spoken young African American men and women planted in especially visible positions in corporate offices to demonstrate the company’s commitment to diversity and civil rights. Front office Negros were amiable, empty-headed suits with no skills to speak of. Their function was to be pleasant and friendly and make the white folk who hired them feel virtuous and wholesome.
Somehow–this citizen who witnessed it still can’t explain how it happened–in 1998 a majority of the American electorate voted to promote a front office Negro to the executive suite. This the expression, perhaps, of a national need to feel virtuous and wholesome.
Unfortunately, you can’t expect a pleasant, well spoken front office racial ornament to actually run a great nation. 2012 can’t come too soon.
Did I say 1998? Must be onset Alzheimer’s. I was referring to the disastrous election of 2008, of course.
Read this story about “Rent A White Guy” in The Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/rent-a-white-guy/8119/
This is perhaps the most concise description of our “Manchurian candidate” who serves very poorly as our current POTUS.
PAUL WILL NOT FORM A THIRD PARTY.
Simply put, Paul wants his son to be President.
Paul knows if he were to form a third party and Obama wins, it will hurt his son’s chances. Paul is a kook, but he has some political sense — at least, I hope so.
The majority of this article was about Friedman and Klein. I neither know nor care who they are. As for Paul, I don’t know what he was or wasn’t espousing in the eighties or nineties but I haven’t heard him say anything anti-Israel, let alone anti-Semitic, since I’ve been paying attention to him the last few years. He’s against foreign involvements, period. He wouldn’t support helping Britain as far as I can tell. That’s all. That’s his position, and he’s consistent.
Obviously he’s wrong on Iran, but that has nothing to do with anti-Israel or anti-Semitism. He can’t see, any more than a liberal, that Islam is completely INSANE. They are NOT like the Soviet Union. The Soviets didn’t want to die. Mutually assured destruction was thus a deterrent. These nut-jobs don’t care! He can’t see that and for that reason alone he shouldn’t be elected. Frankly I agree with him on most everything else: again, that I’ve heard. If you can show me something truly anti-Semitic that he has said I’d be interested.
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/12/13/ron-paul-not-anti-foreign-aid-anti-israel/
In particular, see the video linked in the article and the quote from his book on the subject of Israel.
Couldn’t view the video. It wouldn’t load on my computer. No explanation. But the quote equating the IDF with the terrorists is all I need to know he’s completely unreasonable on the issue. It’s enough to convince me that he’s anti-Israel. Anti-Semitic? I don’t know. I still want to give him the benefit of the doubt. It’s a huge accusation to make. You don’t want to be wrong. He never had my vote anyway. Thanks for helping me clarify at least part of the issue.
I have no proof, but I highly suspect that the Ronulans have spammed many recent polls and that the “rise” of Ron Paul is artificial. I do not expect him to do well in the Iowa primary. After all, it’s not like he has ACORN supporting him. If he does not win then what will his supporters do? Yell “Conspiracy!” and go 3rd party. President Obama and his radical buddies will laugh their rear ends off as Republicans get hit by their own version of Ralph Nader.
Good Lord, this is five anti-Paul hit pieces on PJM in the last 36 hours. I try to look on the bright side…anybody seen Rick Perry? Rick Santorum? Herman that Godfather’s Pizza guy? Michelle what’s her face? Oh yeah that’s right. They’ve all collapsed and folded like the cheap suits as the indistinguishable anti-Romney candidates they were.
@ 35 is correct. Smear this man, strike him down like Obi Wan Kenobi, and his son will come back more powerful than you imagine in 2016. Hell I daresay if Ron had decided not to run and Rand had you’d all be training your guns on Rand right now as the RINOs Gingrich and Romney continue to lose support.
And when you try to say he worships Buddha or kidnaps women or isn’t a real M.D. and disassembling military bases in 110 countries is appeasement and dangerous, Rand will simply smack you MIC whores over the head with ‘we can’t afford it!’. There won’t be any references to Mossadeq or Awlaki being an American citizen or any of the rest of the stuff ya’ll have seized upon in increasingly shrill and desperate attempts to discredit Paul. ‘We simply…cannot afford it…what part of spending a trillion dollars on war spending while printing/borrowing a trillion per year do you D.C. shills not understand???’
And there won’t be any rebuttal to that argument four years and two more wars (Syria, Iran) from now when milk’s $10 a gallon and gasoline is $8 thanks to the precious war with Teheran most of PJM’s lead contributors and a good chunk of D.C.’s bipartisan scoundrels always wanted.
Ron says that Andrew Sullivan is “a writer who few take seriously any longer.” unfortunately, Ron, one of the people who DOES take Sullivan seriously is Barack Obama. Sullivan was one of the first people Obama mentioned when asked what he read online.
that the president of the United States could respect a guy who is obsessed with a former candidate’s uterus tells you something about the president. and not a good something.
I am both disappointed and disgusted that a man of Ron Paul’s character, from blatant Zionist hatred (and the fact Paul’s supporters deny this is insulting), to Paul’s loony conspiracy theory lending, to Paul’s insane isolationist tendencies, is even getting 1% if the Republican support.
Though I could never bring myself to vote for as feckless a candidate as Obama or even Hillary Rotten Clinton, neither would I ever vote for a man like Ron Paul. Ever…
I have confidence Ron Paul will not gain the Republican nomination. But the fact Ron Paul even is capable of making noise tells me the Republican party isn’t two steps from the sickness that is now the Democratic party.
It may indeed be too late.
“Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty.”
George Washington
Live Free or Die!
I am appalled and disgusted by not only this propaganda piece but also the replies. As a granddaughter of a woman who saved two Jews from Hitlers claws by hiding them in her house during WWII in occupied Holland , I have seen the writing on the wall for a very long time.
Only this time the roles have changed. The boogieman in the false and bogus War on Terror is not Jewish but the Muslim and the citizens ordered to step in line with the police state are not German but American and Israeli.
((Lets remind this ignorant crowd, it is NOT Islam that has been oppressing the Arab World but Western backed dictatorships that have!))
The horrendous legislation coming out of Washington since the past 11 years is proof of just that. We have become a nation of suspects instead of citizens and the Congress wipes its feet on the Constitution by passing the Patriot Act, Warantless Wiretapping, Military Commissions Act, Indefinite detention, the Assassination of American citizens and the most current , the entire Senate minus 7 declaring War on the American people by passing the NDAA and the right to detain any American anywhere without due process which declares the U.S as a battleground.
Man oh man, may I remind you…the Nazi play book is being re-visited.
We have a ONE PARTY system which is inherently fascist with Ron Paul next to Dennis Kucinich being the ONLY whistleblowers in the United States Congress.
Please take your propaganda and indoctrination else where but the American people.
Hermann Goering’s Quote
On War And The People
3-20-2
“Naturally the common people don’t want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY.”
–Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
And boy is that man absurd.
Racism debunked, rebutted, and denied:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/76280303/PaulNewslettersFaq-Tunk#outer_page_2
Everyone should do their own research. PJM has been compromised.
I don’t know if anyone cares for history but… Those who knew Tom at Brandais know he was anti-Israel then. The New York Times has always been anti-Zionist. There is a long term split in the Jewish Community between the Assimilationist Reform movement and the Zionists. The Holocaust and the Fact of Israel stifled this..it is now re-emerging. Ron Paul is channeling the old Henry Ford,Ezra Pound anti-bank and anti Rothschild sentiment. As Voltaire (antother anti semite) said. “The more things change, the more they remain the same.
Why is it Americans confuse Anti-Semitism with Anti Zionism? Zionism is a political ideology and one does not necessarily have to be Jewish in order to support it( as our vice president Joe Biden is on the record ). Quite frankly Zionism is the equivalent of Neo conservatism/liberalism where pre emptive war mongering is at the order of the day in the name of some false boogieman. I would call it Neo- fascism where corporations have a revolving door with the governments. One should take note all sides during WWII were funded by the exact same banks also.
Now Zionism is in direct contradiction with the religion of Judaism and also has nothing that resembles Jewish identity. Jewish dissent quite frankly on Israeli govt human rights abuses is rampant. From leading Israeli scholar Avi Shlaim who has accused Israel of state terror in Gaza preventing peace , to Prof Norman Finkelstein, Jewish Voice for Peace, Mondoweiss blog, the nephew of Prime Minister Netanyahu and the list goes on.
Its time we call the beast by its name and Jews have nothing to do with it but private profits, greed, power and strategic interests do, at the expense of all peoples worldwide. Religion, race, etnicity, etc are all mere tools in the toolbox of governments to practice the oldest technique in the world………….that of Divide and Conquer!
Ron Paul’s supporters really want a President Pinochet, who will suspend the constitution, rule by decree and “disappear” his opponents, for example Federal Reserve bankers, by sending them to the nearest soccer stadium. In the real world of American politics, Congress and the courts wouldn’t a President Paul have the power to do most of the things on his agenda. I would bet one ounce of gold that at the end of a hypothetical Paul Administration that a we’d still have the Fed, the income tax, Social Security, civil rights legislation, Medicare and a lavishly funded Pentagon, because too many powerful people want to keep those constructs of big government.
So you’re saying it is hopeless? Then why bother getting so worked up about one man or any candidate for that matter.
Good lord. You ought to read Constitutonal attorney and civil liberties advocate Glenn Greenwalds new book ‘With Liberty and Justice for some’ on the Two Tier Justice system and the constant attack on the Rule of Law. FYI, America is supposed to be a nation of LAWS, NOT of men, where NOBODY is above the law. Reality has already proven, our government suspends the very Constitution whenever they see fit.
He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
Thomas Paine
If it weren’t such a serious matter, it would be almost funny…listening to everyone complaining that this candidate did this…or that candidate did that ( as if the things that they complain about are something new….they aren’t).
Then, when anyone points out that there is one candidate out of the whole batch ( both sides)….(with a 30 year history to prove it)..who has never done any of these things, who has always been honest, forthright and a defender of the Constitution….someone who has stood up for smaller, less intrusive government, sound currency and personal freedoms…….everyone goes wild … calling the man everything except…a viable candidate.
Why is that?
It is obvious to me ( as it should be to everyone else) that what we have been doing….ISN”T WORKING…..and maybe…just maybe, it’s time to take a new approach to the way this nation is beng run.
Maybe, just maybe it’s time to stop electing “business as usual” “mainstream” candidates….who continue to run our nation into the ground while ignoring the will of the people and the rule of law.
If we were to elect Dr. Ron Paul, could he really be any worse than what we’ve had over the last 40+ years (both sides)? If we were to elect him and he doesn’t make changes that positively affect our nation….can we not vote him out in another 4 years?
Albert Einstein once said that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over…and expecting to get a different result. Isn’t it time that we stopped the insanity?
While I am not asking anyone to vote for any particular candidate, I will ask that you spend more time actually looking into all of the candidates’ backgrounds ( voting records, campaign finances…who they’ve made deals with etc.). learn everything you can about the candidates (not the MSM talking heads versions…do the research yourselves), so that on election day….you can make an informed decision about who you want to represent you in government….
Remember, what they do is a direct reflection on us…..if they do foolish things….it makes us look like we elected foolish people….which means we look like fools for electing them in the first place.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I am tired of the insanity and will be casting my vote for Ron Paul.
You can say that I am wasting my vote….well , I guess that’s OK….it is after all…MY….vote……it doesn’t belong to any party or candidate….it belongs to me …to cast as my conscience dictates.
I hope eveyone makes informed decisions concerning our future as a nation.
The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
John F. Kennedy
Ron Paul simply wants to defund the entire middle east. Like it or not we cannot afford to continue to fund both sides, which is exactly what we are doing. In fact the US sends $1.4 to muslim countries for every $1 we send Israel. This is just wrong and ONLY Ron Paul pointed this out! The fact is that Ron Paul wants to fix our monitory system and that is not what the media wants, so they now are trying to paint him as a racist and antisemite. Figure it out fast folks or you won’t have a country in another 4 years.
We might not have a country in another 12 months!!!! And I agree with you!
What does Ron Paul say about the $45 billion the Mexicans send from America to Mexico each year, as opposed to the $3 billion Israel gets?
Does he also count what America gets from Israel in technology etc., and compare it to the returns from the other receivers of “aid”?
He wants ALL Foreign aid stopped.If you truly want to understand his views, go to danbeaulieu.blogspot.com. This person did an excellent job showing Ron Paul in his own words explaining his views. The 30 seconds answers he gets in debates is not enogh time to comprehend his positions. Add that to the media’s slander,and you end up with skewed facts.Honestly, I am one that voted for McCain,and proudly will cast my vote for a man who truly believes in Liberty.God Bless.
1) If the threat of RonPaul running as a third party candidate and thus causing Obama’s re-election is so dire, just make him the Republican candidate!
2) I’d rather a labelled Democrat return to the WH and act like a socialist, than a labelled GOP get in the WH and act like a socialist. Ron Paul is the only non-status quo candidate.
Reading these comments (not to mention Radosh) reminds me of why I detest most Republicans only marginally less than Democrats.
Exactly my opinion as well.
Ron Paul may or may not be crazy, but one thing is certain – many of his followers are.
As one of Ron Paul’s “deluded” followers, I do not believe he’s racist, sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic. I think Ron Paul does a valuable service in exposing faux conservatives who are willing to compromise on any Constitutional principle at any time.
Electing the most virulently racist misanthrope who actually understands and abides by the Constitution would be far better than what we have suffered with recently.
P.S. All you fatuous amateur psychiatrists would benefit from a close reading of Dr. Thomas Szasz’ “The Myth of Mental Illness.”
What was “fatuous” was Ron Paul’s reply in the last debate, regarding Iran. He took a specific question about how he’d handle a hypothetical crisis involving a nuclear Iran as an opportunity to scold the nation not to “attack 1.2 billion Muslims”. That came completely out of left field. Who said or implied America should ever do such a thing? What prompted such an unreasonable answer? Apparently, he’s incapable of distinguishing between the various Muslim-majority countries out there, and there are dozens. Makes me wonder what else he’d have trouble understanding, and what other foreign policy challenges he’d simply lump together and dismiss out of hand. Fatuously.
Excellent advice, excellent book.
Soros is funding Ron Paul’s campaign. Paul can lessen the amount of voter fraud ACORN needs to deliver.
More slander. You guys are working overtime.
It is a shame to see PJ Media cozying up to the ideas of the establishment. I am a long-time reader and personal friend of some of the folks on here and this article as well as the rest of the campaign against Dr. Paul is saddening. I’d like to know, apart from Dr. Paul, who would the writers of PJM like as the candidate to go against Barack Obama. For all the support of the Tea Party that I see on here, which I know is genuine, I am baffled by the attacks on Dr. Paul. What candidate has been more consistent and honest than Ron Paul? Whoelse predicted and warned against the housing bubble and the collapse of the financial industry due to the Federal Reserve’s blank check to spend money. Romney is certainly no conservative, and Gingrich is scum any way you look at it-from taking money from failed financial institutions, to cozying up to Nancy Pelosi and Al Sharpton. Come on. There will always be nutty supporters out there like the ones who wrote the incendiary emails, but those who work in and report on politics should know (and I believe they do) that there are plenty of times that there are loony staffers/supporters who are not properly vetted. Remember how much flack Rick Perry got for “promoting secession.” I was there when the now infamous clip was filmed, and there was some nut out there who yelled “Secede!” while Governor Perry was doing an interview. That’s all it took. Was the remark in the newsletter an error in judgment? Yes. Are a few emails from twenty years ago akin to Obama sitting in the pews of Rev. Wright’s church for years while he babbles hate speech? Absolutely not. But the real question will be, do the American people truly believe Ron Paul to be a racist? Anyone who has met Dr. Paul would tell you unequivocally, no. I cannot think of a candidate who truly represents the Tea Party more than Ron Paul. Romney may be able to take Obama in the general election, but Dr. Paul is equally as electable if not more due to his appeal to independents and moderates. I’m ashamed to see PJ Media engaged in this campaign, and would appreciate some comments on who Mr. Radosh, Mr. Simon and others here at PJM would rather have as our next president. Still, the fact that PJM and others in the media are resorting to cries of “racism” to try and derail Dr. Paul’s campaign is not only amusing, but pathetic, and even more of an indication that those who have held the reins of power for so long are now feeling them slip through their grasp. I am surprised and saddened in this revelation that PJM is choosing to side with the establishment, the statists and the politicians from both parties who have kept the status quo in place and allowed our country to be dragged into costly endless wars abroad while waging a not so different kind of war on our civil liberties here at home. (Where is the reporting on the NDAA?) I had thought y’all were a voice of reason, but I may have been wrong, I hope I am not. A response would be appreciated. You have my email address.
David Levavi and Michael from Maine: You are both worthy of the Bielski Brothers and I mean that as a great compliment.
Eric Bell (Bielski) is my neighbor on the eleventh floor. I used to take long walks in Riverside Park with his his father, z”l, who was featured in the recent film about the Bielskis.
Not that I imagine it will change any Paulian’s “minds,” but here are links to the video of the 1995 CSPAN interview with Paul, and to scans of some 50 pages from the newsletters that Paul has variously said he wrote/didn’t write/never read/and didn’t know the contents of, which denials and distancing are unfortunately contradicted by Paul’s touting of these newsletters he told the 1995 CSPAN interviewer he was putting out to “educate” people (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/22/paul-in-1995-say-have-you-read-my-newsletters/ and here are the scans http://www.mrdestructo.com/2011/12/game-over-scans-of-over-50-ron-paul.html) )
How about this statement?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3EADdr-5AY&feature=youtu.be
Assuming that Ron Paul is not the Republican candidate, and he decides to go for a third party nominee. He has the right to do so. What is the danger of that?. After all, the mess we are in today is due to The two parties system: Republican and Democrat. The people in the United States have been victims of all elected Presidents; from Woodro Wilson to Obama. All have been members of the two parties. None of the two parties have been able to provide a solution to the crisis we have today. Look at the action of the senators regarding the tax cut extension the last friday of December 16, that is an indication that the two parties are a mix of two,to form one, separated only by names. I will vote for the nominee against Obama. If Ron Paul is the elected President of the United States of America. Which I wish, The press, and all politcal predictions like the one of Ron Radosh will have to swallow their words. I encourage the american people to vote for a President with: Christian belief, Integrity, Moral principles and respect for the Constitution of The United States of America. That constitution have been violated by many U.S Presidents of the two parties, and that is Dangerous to our Freedom.
As Seth @#56 points out, Hotair has collected the recent revelations showing that Paul’s denials of involvement in the newsletters were cowardly lies.
It will be interesting to see whether the true Paulian fanatics will slink back into the shadows or instead claim its all a fabrication by a conspiracy of the Jews/bankers/Illuminati/UN/Vatican.
Paul is really a weird, pathetic and frightened twerp. He’s even afraid of black younger teenagers: “… black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult …”. So this is the man the Paulians believe should be President? LoL
“… black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult …”.
Do you doubt this to be true? While I agree that one could remove the word black and this would still be a true statement, but do not be a fool. Do a little research on crime and demographics in America. Our prisons are populated from a very small percentage of neighborhoods in this country…and they vote Democrat every time.
Splash Daddy wrote: “… one could remove the word black and this would still be a true statement, but do not be a fool”.
I don’t even understand what your sentence means. The bottom line is that Paul is so afraid of 13 yo black kids that he wants to prosecute and sentence them like adults. Furthermore Paul is now jumping out of his skin with anxiety (see the CNN interview) that his statements are coming to light.
He’s a pathetic, cowardly, lying weirdo, but the Paulians want to see him as the re-incarnation of Jefferson … so who is the “fool”?
What do you not understand? Is it that hard to grasp that a 13yo, some of who weigh well over 200lbs and have been raised on the streets pose a threat to life and limb? Do you really not get this? BTW, you brought race into it.
I work with disadvantaged and troubled youth as a football and basketball coach. I personally know young teens – black, white, and brown – that can and will whip your butt severly and without remorse in a heartbeat. Absent some type of exceptional self defense ability you will lose every time. Do you have any clue as to the complete breakdown of any meaningful civilization in America’s inner city housing projects?
I now see that political correctness has fully infected the so called conservative mainstream. You are a bunch of cowards. You can’t defend your positions with emperical data because the policies of the mainstream have failed completely. You cling to an orthodoxy and shreek like scared wimps “that bad man says offensive things we don’t like…he makes us uncomfortable…make him go away”
You can’t critique Paul’s positions because you have closed your mind to anything that does not fit your dogma. So you call him names.
Wow … you must be “stone-cold” and “street smart”. After all you tell us you coach inner city kids and use phrases like “whip your butt”. I guess I should just concede the point to you.
Among the things I don’t understand is your sentence in your reply to me, “While I agree that one could remove the word black and this would still be a true statement, but do not be a fool”. With whom are you agreeing? I never wrote that. I guess you aren’t an English coach.
I also don’t understand this sentence in your reply to me: “You can’t critique Paul’s positions because you have closed your mind to anything that does not fit your dogma. So you call him names”. I didn’t present my comment as a critique of Paul’s positions. Others have given his “positions” (such as they are) all the attention they deserve. What I offered is a critique of Paul’s character. RR’s post with its link to Kirchik’s work and the video on Hotair show that Paul’s denials of complicity in the racist and anti-Semitic writings comment in the newsletters from which he enriched himself are absolutely untenable. Paul as an obvious and absurd pathetic liar and coward.
If you wish to continue this dialogue, please provide your assessment of the evidence of Paul’s involvement in the newsletters based on Kirchik’s article and the Hotair video (URL above).
I will be supporting Ron Paul in all contests up to the “Presidential election”. If he feels it is necessary to completely abandon the “GOP”, I leave with him. I too hold in contempt those who hate the Constitution, and it is only because he, Rand Paul and a few like minded individualist are still referred as “republics”, that I am myself like wise referred to as “republican”.
I owe no loyalty to the gop. I gave my Oath to the Constitution, not to prostitutes.
I don’t even like Ron Paul. However, judging by the content of this article and by the defenders and pilers-on here, it sure does seem like Ron Paul must have won the argument since the debate seems now to have ended and the opponents are now resorting to labeling him a racist. bigot, sexist, or homophobe.
“debate seems now to have ended and the opponents are now resorting to labeling him a racist. bigot, sexist, or homophobe” …. No, we’re presenting clear evidence that he’s either all those things or else an amoral peddler of those memes to menrich himself. In any case, it’s quite clear that he’s an absurd coward and liar for trying to deny his involvement with those slimy newsletters.
To add salt to the wound , let’s take good notice that Ron Paul had pleasure in hoisting lately Ms Marine Le Pen, head of the french FRONT NATIONAL , a deeply anti-american, anti-capitalist , anti-semitic party. Ms Le Pen, is another extreme-right leader disguised in sheep clothes.Of course Ms Le Pen made the right choice to visit a deep antisemite like Ron Paul. To counterbalance her choice she tried to have a meeting with the israeli ambassador to the UN, Ron Prosor.She could share a glass with him in an informal meeting and that’s all.Ron Paul strange guests should also be underlined to the US public.
Too bad RR can’t resist name-calling and get passed the Israel Lobby remark to confront what The Jewish Week noted were Friedman’s concerns “about political and cultural shifts in Israeli society of late, including Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman calling the recent Russian elections fair, Jewish extremists attacking an Israeli army base last week, public buses providing segregated seating for men and women, and a series of proposed Knesset bills that critics say will weaken Israel’s democracy.”
Ron Paul says some absolutely true things that almost no one else will say.
He also says some ludicrously wrong things that almost everyone else rejects.
Some of his true statements would be very good for the country.
Some of his wrong beliefs verge on national suicide.
And the newsletter issue is a permanent, irrevocable stain. It should debar him from any role in politics whatever.
Either he is a loathsome bigot, or he is an amoral hypocrite who pandered to loathsome bigots for profit – for years and years. In both cases, he’s gone.
Paul says he’s sorry now, he didn’t really mean it.
OK, I forgive him – provided he renounces all political ambitions and pretensions.
Many years ago, a British politician, John Profumo, disgraced himself by involvement with prostitutes and by lying about it in Parliament. Profumo resigned from office, and spent the rest of his life doing volunteer work at soup kitchens and homeless shelters (grunt work, not “management”).
If Ron Paul wants to atone for his wrong behavior – he’s a doctor, and there are lots of clinics and hospitals around the world that could use his help.
Came expecting Paulbot RAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGEEEEE and tears.
Left satisfied.
(The following is a message that I wrote to an Israeli YouTube aquaintance of mine who I saw had ‘Liked’ a video that I had (wrongly, it turns out) thought had expressed support for Ron Paul (which was a video that I didn’t watch, and which, it turns out, was a satirical video, but whose title seemed to express support for Ron Paul).)
I’m pretty sure that Ron Paul is an Israel-hater (an anti-Israeli bigot (an anti-Jewish racist)), and I think that he has expressed support for, or “tolerance of”, the Islamic supremacist regime in Iran and their effort to attain nuclear weapons (and I think that he has also expressed support for, or “tolerance of”, the Muslim Brotherhood).
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However, I do hold a position that is similar to a position that Ron Paul has advocated (which is a position that I think that Ron Paul holds for malicious anti-Israeli (racist anti-Jewish) wrong reasons, but which is a position that I hold for the well-being of Israel):
Israel must stop accepting the 3 billion dollars of financial so-called “aid” that the government of the United States of America gives to Israel (which, in fact, is money that the government of the U.S. uses to “frame” (falsely incriminate) Israel (for harmful, and politically incriminating, foreign policy actions done by the government of the United States) and to, thereby, “cover” itself politically, and which is money that, in fact, is a form of payment to Israel for services provided, by Israel, to the government of the United States).
American anti-Jewish racists (including people such as members of governmental agencies of the United States of America (such as the CIA, and the State Department), and American academics (Walt/Mearsheimer, etc.)), propagate antipathy, in the U.S., toward Israel by A) accusing Israel of horrific crimes and by B) saying that the U.S. gives exorbitant amount of financial aid to Israel and that the U.S., thereby, supports Israel, and that the U.S., thereby, is the main enabling support of Israel, and that, therefore, the reason that the Islamic world hates the U.S. and is attacking the U.S. is because the U.S is supporting crimes that American anti-Jewish racists falsely accuse Israel of committing.
This wrong view that has been propagated by anti-Jewish racists in the United States is now widely held in the United States – especially among political so-called “Liberals”.
A fact that is almost never expressed is the fact that the total amount of financial aid that the government of the United States of America gives to Muslim states is more than the amount of financial aid that the government of the United States of America gives to Israel. Another fact that is almost never expressed is the fact that the United States of America gives more military aid to the Muslim dictatorial totalitarian regime of Saudi Arabia than the government of the United States of America gives to any other state in the world.
Israel doesn’t need the 3 billion dollars of financial so-called “aid” that the government of the United States of America gives to Israel.
The government of the United States of America is not, and has never been, an ally to Israel, and is not, and never been, a real friend to, Israel – although, the U.S. congress, in general, has been an ally to Israel, and has been a friend to Israel.
Israel has always been a friend to the United States of America, and has always been a loyal ally to the United States of America.
Israeli Jewish political leaders of the government of Israel need to stop kowtowing to the political leaders of the government of the United States of America.
Israel is the foundational pivotal technological and economic fountainhead of all Western societies. Check out the following video, which describes this fact.
“RETHINKING THE END GAME (Part 4) Improving Lives in The Middle East”; A talk by George Gilder, author of the book “The Israel Test”; This talk was part of a conference, titled “Rethinking the End Game: Improving Lives in The Middle East”, which was hosted by the Israel advocacy organization Z Street; The conference took place on May 4th 2011, in Washington DC; (Video length: 19m:15s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L4egLu6mas
Israeli Jewish political leaders of the government of Israel need to start to protect their own nation, Israel.
Dan
Furthermore:
Currently in the United States (and, similarly, but even more extremely, in other Western countries), especially among the Marxist, and Marxist-legacy, contemporary political Left, and among the “Establishment” Republican social-political class, and among the Henry-Ford-legacy type Conservative-Libertarian-type social-political class:
Honest accurate discussion of millenia-old Islamic and Arab anti-Jewish racism: Verboten.
Honest accurate discussion of millenia-old Islamic and Arab supremacism and genocidal imperialism: Verboten.
Honest accurate discussion of the totalitarian supremacist genocidal core precepts of the religious political system authoritative orthodox Islam: Verboten.
Honest accurate discussion of the current huge global racist genocidally anti-Jewish Islamic supremacist political movement: Verboten.
Honest accurate discussion of the multi-million-(petroleum)-dollar-financed Islamic and Arab pro-Islamic racist anti-Jewish anti-Israeli propaganda campaign toward, and within, Western academia, Western governments, and Western journalism: Verboten.
Honest accurate discussion of the covert currently over 60-year propaganda, espionage, and diplomatic, racist war against Israel and the Jewish people by the members of the governmental intelligence agencies (including, and most importantly, the CIA), and foreign policy departments (including, and most importantly, the U.S. State department), of Western governments: Verboten.
Honest accurate discussion of draconian institutional oppression of women in Muslim states in accordance with authoritative orthodox Islamic law: Verboten.
Honest accurate discussion of two thousand year-old, culturally deeply engrained, pervasive, Western (culturally Christian-European (Christian and post-Christian)) anti-Jewish racism (“The Jews killed the son of God.” / “The Jews are guilty.” / “The Jews are evil and powerful.” / “The Jews are evil and powerful and control the world.”): Verboten.
Honest accurate discussion of deep profound Jewish Stockholm syndrome (ancient, continuously existing, psychological besiegement of Jewish people, and resultant acceptance, to various degrees, by Jewish people, and resultant propagation, to various degrees, by Jewish people, of perverse false accusations made against any particular collective of the Jewish people by non-Jewish people who are attacking any such collective of the Jewish people): Verboten.
Culturally Christian-European (Christian and post-Christian), Islamic, Marxist, Nazi-legacy, Soviet-legacy, perverse-untrue-conspiracy-theory-based genocidal anti-Jewish racism (currently manifested as Islamic and Arab and Western global genocidal anti-Israeli anti-Jewish racism based on huge perverse Nazi and Islamic lies): Double-plus good.
Mainstreaming Hate – How media companies are using the Internet to make anti-Semitism respectable, by American political analyst Lee Smith
http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/40064/mainstreaming-hate/
Johann von Leers and Walt/Mearsheimer, by German academic scholar Clemens Heni
http://clemensheni.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/johann-von-leers-and-waltmearsheimer/
Antisemitism in America – Yale Kills YIISA, by Clemens Heni
http://clemensheni.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/yale-kills-yiisa/
The Arab Lobby, by Lee Smith
http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/44096/the-arab-lobby/
IN DENYING HE KNEW ABOUT RACIST CONTENTS OF NEWSLETTER RON PAUL ECHOES BARACK OBAMA
Ron Paul cashing in big time on his newsletter but claiming to have known absolutely nothing of its racism echoes the compulsive, mendacious, shameless liar in the White House who happened always to be absent at church when the vile Jeremiah Wright sounded off about Jews, Israel, the white man, and the US which he damned to hell as the evilist nation on earth. Ron Paul will never win the GOP nomination; and the 4th greatest president ever will be history come November.
Ron Paul gives libertarianism a bad name.
If you want to see what a real libertarian looks like, check out Bob Barr.
That so many libertarians are supporting Ron Paul is a travesty.
If you care about advancing libertarian ideology, values, etc…then you should not be supporting Ron Paul.
That being said, Ron Pauls base of support is Stormfront Racist Anti Semities…..which he brings together with idiot libertarian ideologues, and now adding in a Far Left Anti Semites and Anarhists.
What a travesty for libertarianism.
“Ron Paul’s supporters really want a President Pinochet, who will suspend the constitution, rule by decree and “disappear” his opponents, for example Federal Reserve bankers, by sending them to the nearest soccer stadium.” Good lord, it’s the exact opposite.
The only people spewing threats to shut people down for speech, pretending that a candidate raising millions like Paul’s broad base consists solely of cranks and anti-Semites, tossing out blatant falsehoods, and throwaway comments that offer no facts or substance are the anti-Paul bots that have swarmed PJM, probably at the behest of PJM management. Unfortunately for PJM’s top editors, Porter Stansberry just embarrassed them by buying an advertorial than appearing on the Alex Jones Show where Ron Paul did in the past few weeks.
Who issued any threats?
And who “spewed” what? Who used the term “spew” in reference to the stating of facts which the person who used the term “spew” falsely claimed were untrue and irrelevant?
And, speaking for myself (who, I presume, am someone to whom you were referring in your comment), no one has contacted me to tell me to write the comments that I wrote. I speak for myself, and I think for myself.
Former Senior Aide to Ron Paul Says: Ron Paul is not an anti-Semite* but he “wishes the Israeli state did not exist at all” and he believes that “Israel is more trouble than it’s worth’”
Which, by the way, is like saying: “So-and-so is not an anti-Japanese racist, but So-and-so wishes that Japan did not exist at all and So-and-so believes that Japan is more trouble than it’s worth”. But it’s even worse and more perverse than saying that – because Japan is not under a global racist intendedly genocidal military, terroristic, propaganda, and diplomatic siege. It’s more like saying, in the 1930′s: “So-and-so is not an anti-Jewish racist, but So-and-so wishes that the Jewish people in Europe did not exist at all and So-and-so believes that the Jewish people in Europe are more trouble than they’re worth.
http://rightwingnews.com/election-2012/statement-from-fmr-ron-paul-staffer-on-newsletters-anti-semitism/
Note:
* “anti-Semite”: anti-Jewish racist
I just recently read the following excerpt from that article:
“The danger, then, is that Paul will do what his followers want and what he originally promised he would not do: run on a third-party ticket for the presidency.”
This is a danger again why? Because otherwise dedicated Paulistas would vote Romney? Any evidence for that? If Romney the Republican nominee, I’m staying home regardless of whether or not Paul runs a third-party candidacy. If Paul wins, I’m staying home regardless of whether Romney restarts the Whig Party. If the Republicans can’t do better than Obama-lite or Dr. Crazy, no Republican at any level will get my vote.
Ron Paul is my favorite candidate. His views are admirably balanced and sharply logical. My very young korean wife and our mutual friend Wooody Allen agrees that we should vote for him and support him all the way to the white house.
Malicious racist anti-Jewish sarcasm. It reflects and displays the mind/heart of its speaker. Not favorably impressive.