Rep. Peter King, the IRA, and the Hearings on Radical Islam in the United States
We all have heard the saying that “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.” It has a certain truth to it, and is proved over and over when partisans of the use of terror proclaim themselves as being forced to use horrendous tactics because of the overwhelming power and armed forces of those who oppress them.
The saying is brought to mind by the dredging up today of Rep. Peter King’s pro-IRA past by those opposed to his scheduled hearings on the impact of radical Islam on the American Muslim community. Clearly, the motive for these new stories, such as that in today’s New York Times, is opposition to the hearings, which the NYT editors regard as an example of Islamophobia. And the conservative community is right to defend the hearings, and to explain their necessity. PJM’s argument can be found here; the editors at National Review point out and explain why the hearings are long overdue; and Rick Moran at David Horowitz’s Frontpagemag.com details how the American Left is going overboard in trying to create opposition before the hearings even take place.
But despite the obvious motivation of those who seek to derail the hearings and to minimize whatever effect they might have on the public, the bitter truth is that the IRA in its prime was a terrorist organization, whose leaders had extensive ties to both the Western Left in both the United States and Britain, as well as to the Soviet Union and its satellite countries, as well as to the PLO in its terrorist heyday.
As this BBC report revealed, after 9/11, “While all American eyes are currently fixed on Muslim extremists, politicians in Northern Ireland have urged President Bush to extend the clampdown to those who raise funds for Irish paramilitary groups.” The IRA, the story continued, got most of its funding from two major sources: Libya and gullible Irish citizens of the United States who contributed to groups like NORAID and the Irish Freedom Committee. Like radical Muslim front groups today, they claimed to be raising money to support the peaceful struggle for civil rights in Northern Ireland, or to support the families of Irish political prisoners held in British prisons. The reality was that the money raised was used to purchase guns and ammunition for IRA fighters, as everyone understood at the time.
At the time, defenders like the IFC’s John McDonagh argued that the IRA gave warnings before it bombed any sites, making it therefore different from the radical Islamists who did not. Yet many of the bombings killed scores of innocent Irish civilians, and hundreds were killed and thousands injured in over 30 years of IRA terror attacks in Northern Ireland. And IRA men were arrested in Colombia, where they were training Marxist FARC guerrillas.
In 2002, the American radical Tom Hayden wrote in The Nation about the reasons why the Left should support Sinn Fein, the political wing of the IRA. “The recent victories for the left-wing Sinn Fein,” he wrote, “are a challenge to globalization and sharply contrast with the right-wing populism recently surfacing in other European elections.” Victory for them, Hayden wrote, “would be a defeat for U.S. officials who hope that a pro-business Irish Republic would become ‘America’s gateway’ into Europe.” Hayden understood that the IRA’s political organization was opposed to business and the multinational corporations, and advocated “progressive populist politics.” He was pleased that one candidate who won the election in North Kerry had “spent ten years in prison for IRA gunrunning on a trawler out of Boston.”






The thing is these left wing critics who are now bringing up King’s terrorist past never seemed too concerned about IRA violence when it was actually happening. (Virtually all Unionists/Protestants in Northern Ireland saw the American left as opponents during the Troubles). But as you point out King has made himself vulnerable to such criticism. He just appears to be too emotionally connected to the country of his ancestors.
BTW of the half dozen or so articles I’ve read on both sides of the Atlantic on King, the IRA, and the upcoming hearings, this one was the best. Thanks.
On this subject King says he got a call from Rahm Emanuel right after the 2008 election with an offer from the Obama administration to become ambassador to Ireland. Link
Obama doesn’t seem to like the British very much.
King could easily have said that 9/11 to him was a wake-up call about ALL terrorism.
King has been very good over the years about attacking the anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism that is so pervasive in Ireland.
Judging from this video (parts of which you might have seen on the Daily Show), many Americans agree with you, Ron. A Moslem spokesman compared this to Hitler’s Germany — hyperbole to be sure. It looks more like Little Rock in ’57.
Oops, the video didn’t take. Let me try again….
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/03/ed_royce_anti_muslim_rally.php
TO: Ron Radosh
RE: There’s…..
….something of a difference between a bunch of people fighting for what they believe is their country and a bunch of people fighting to take over the world from everybody else.
Don’t you think? Or maybe you don’t…..
Additionally, the mark of a terrorist is indiscriminant attacks accomplished with particularly egregious means, e.g., repeated efforts at blowing up women and children, sawing people’s heads off with dull knives and showing the movies thereof on the web.
I don’t recall hearing of the IRA doing such as that, of late. Or even earlier. Maybe you could correct me.
I’m no apologist for the IRA, but I can see a SIGNIFICANT difference between them and the Islamofascists.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[No dictatorship of the proletariat is to be thought of without terror and violence. -- Lenin]
Clearly you aren’t looking very hard.
Enniskillen 8 November 1987 – 12 Dead, including women
London Hilton bombing 5 September 1975 – 2 dead and 63 injured
Shankill Road bombing 23 October 1993 – attack on a fast food restuarant – 10 dead.
How about blowing up Manchester city center leaving over 200 injured?
Or blowing up Harrods? Of course, no women or children would every be in a city center or a department store now would they.
Just a few of very many attacks that did not involve any target of military value at all. Rememerance day services, hotels, fast food restaurants.
Not to mentioned those who vanished without trace into the hands of the IRA, suspected informants murdered and still undiscovered in shallow graves. Or those tortured by having kneecaps and elbows drilled through with an electric drill.
Such events were plubished around Belfast in flyers and pamphlets as a warning to others not to be a “grass”.
The only thing the IRA didn’t do is saw peoples heads off. They certainly had no qualms about using torture against anyone who got in their way. It is a small step from breaking every knuckle joint on a mans hands with a hammer to cutting off their head.
You ARE and apologist.
I have just written a similar comment but in more detail explaining the I.R.A to ignorant Americans and apologists like Chuck,but i seem to have been deleted.Why?
So i will try again,
Chuck,
The I.R.A used torture ,drills etc,mother of 10 Jean McConville killed for helping a dying British soldier.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_McConville.
Besides blowing up church services on remembrance sunday,warrington day before mothers day killing children buying cards they tried different things.
They put a spin on suicide bombers,they would drag a man by gunpoint from his family strap him into a van of explosives aim at the target and blow it up-the human bomb.
They nearly killed Thatcher did kill other MP’S and members of the Royal family(78YR old Mountbatten blew his boat up,lost his limbs and drown also killing his 10yr old grandson and his friend)
Downing St was hit twice from mortar attack.Palace of Westminister bombed,m15 buildings,foiled a plot on the prince and princess of Wales.
You where attacked on 9/11 we stood ‘shoulder to shoulder’ we are still losing soldiers in Afghanistan reading these comments you don’t deserve our help.
There has been 27 bombs in the last 18months in Northern Ireland.We (U.K)have been on high alert from an attack from dissident I.R.A groups not on ceasefire.At one point our security services said the risk was higher then from Islamic groups.
There has been many threats,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169828/Real-IRA-threatens-new-attacks-mainland-Britain-Easter-message-hate.html
And you wonder why we are ‘anti-american’You have got Senator Peter King supporting all this and it’s acceptable to you.
Don’t confuse all Americans with our more ignorant specimens. I’m of Irish Catholic descent and grew up with a romantic picture of the IRA. I learned and got over it. The IRA are disgusting thugs masquerading as patriots.
Same here. When I was young and knew everything, I had the same rosy view of the IRA. Then my dad and stepmom got involved in an Irish charity, and I met some of the kids who had been directly affected by the violence. That changed my tune PDQ.
Your right Ron. When you don’t like the message, shoot the messenger. It’s what leftists do. King should expand the hearings to include an examination of the ties between Americans, invariably leftists, and the IRA. And since virtually all support for the IRA came from leftists, the leftists now attacking King will recuse themselves and refrain from further comment.
There is one big caveat though – the IRA(a contemptible/terror organization)is NOT threatening the US, whereas Islamists DIRECTLY do.MOREOVER, and most importantly, Islamists, headed by hydra-like Muslim Brotherhood terror organs, are DEEPLY embedded within US gov’t AND all its attendant power circles, NOT to mention its thousands of mosques/schools!
The twin ‘bibles’ on this issue,’Infiltration’ and ‘The Muslim Mafia’, attest to the UTTER urgency of dealing with this most pernicious threat.
So, while it is convenient, and somewhat deflecting/satisfying to fling mud at King’s cozy IRA relationship, it matters not a damn when it comes to US interests.
Get over it…..
You know what? HAMAS has never attacked the USA either.
““I understand why people who are misinformed might see a parallel. The fact is, the I.R.A. never attacked the United States. And my loyalty is to the United States.””
I’m a Yank not a Brit, but I find this line doubly offensive when I consider the unhesitating commitment that Britain made after 9/11 to help America hunt down the terrorists who’d just attacked it (and not just in Afghanistan but in Iraq where America’s actions were far more controversial, including in the British public). King has a poor way to repay their friendship. Especially because friends like that are hard to come by these days.
On the broader picture, I agree with Mr. Radosh’s analysis.
Adina: the cozy relationship King had and his failure to articulate a position similar to Ron Raodosh’s argument will hurt the cause of exposing the infiltration of radical Islam. And the IRA worked hand in glove with the Soviet Union (whose successor state Russia with its unbroken KGB connection is the sponsor of Iran and Syria) with Libya and with the PLO. King’s position was wrong and failure to acknowledge it as Radosh points out may wind up killing the hearings. This does no credit to those from the far Left who supported the IRA and now support radical Islam but it is a possible outcome nevertheless. And yes while there are differences between the IRA and radical Islam in the degree of civilian murder (as is true also of Irgun) the bombings resulting in civilian death and also the connection to the radical Left (in the IRA case) can’t be wished away. Moral decision making in difficult circumstances was not the thrust of this article but rather the issue of what strategy will get us to the hearings to expose radical Islam’s intentions.
Sweet jesus, you folks are really freaking out, arent you?
“Muslims! Everywhere! Nuke em! Kill em!” I dont know if you saw the charming video of Pamela Gellers friends screaming at 6 year olds in California the other day. Do you all really want to start a new era of pogroms?
Moral decision making in difficult circumstances was not the thrust of this article but rather the issue of what strategy will get us to the hearings to expose radical Islam’s intentions.
Scratch the word radical. There is no such thing as moderate Islam. There are real Muslims and hypocrites. When push comes to shove the real Muslims – those who obey the Koran and follow the Hadith by spreading Islam by whatever means are necessary – will prevail.
Well, I guess King is the right guy to hold hearings on Islamic infiltration since he does have a background in how terror groups work.
Anyway, if some Dem wants to have a hearing on the IRA, I won’t object. Maybe Barney Frank would be a good one to lead the charge.
I agree.If the Left want to open a can of worms, then we will investigate the Western Left wing support of the IRA.Who also had ties to the PLO,and a host of other Islamist terrorist groups.It isnt a far stretch to see similarities between the radical Left and Islamists goals.Their end game is the same.
I think it is proper for King to hold these hearing but he should recuse himself as Chairman. The IRA has had relationships with many enemies of the United States including the PLO and other Mideast terrorist groups. Some AQ and Taliban IED TTPs are directly attributable to IRA cooperation with Mideast terrorist organizations. While the IRA acted as an agent for the KGB the diffusion of their skill set to the Muslim world has made Islamic terror groups much more dangerous.
This all goes to show that the left is not above tarring an opponent over his support for groups that the left still finds appealing
Please, did the IRA fly planes into the WTC on 9/11? The more telling point is that the pro-islamic terrorist NY Times would run with this feeble comparison at all. But they feel compelled to defend their allies.
I am in the U.K, is it only terrorism if Americans get killed? Some seem to want to grade it at different levels.
6. Chuck Pelto
Firstly you don’t have to kill to create terror ,thats the point of putting you in constant fear.
No don’t recall the I.R.A sawing someones head off,it was more likely they were stripped with a bullet in the head like Jean Mc Conville a mother of 10 killed by the I.R.A for helping a dying British soldier.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/the-murder-of-jean-mcconville-was-a-crime-by-any-standards-anywhere-463441.html.
The I.R.A bombed a church service on remembrance sunday killing old soldiers with their medals on.
Bombed Harrods on Christmas Eve.Bombed Warrington the day before mothers day killing children buying their cards.
They put a ‘spin’ on suicide bombers.They would drag a target by gun point from his wife and kids strap him into a van full of explosives aim it at a target and blow it up.It was known as the ‘human bomb’.
They nearly killed Thatcher and her cabinet but did kill other MP’S and members of the Royal Family.(78yr old Mountbatten-boat blown up killing two children as well.)
Downing st was hit twice by mortar attack and the Palace Westminister even the M15 buildings.
British soldiers were killed on NATO bases in Germany.It was a brutal campaign.
There has been 27 bombs in the last 18months by dissident I.R.A groups not on ceasefire.
We have been on high alert of this threat at times higher then islamic groups
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169828/Real-IRA-threatens-new-attacks-mainland-Britain-Easter-message-hate.html
I hope you are just typical of Americans that have no clue about Northern Ireland .
YOU were attacked on 9/11 we stood ‘shoulder to shoulder’,reading these comments shows you don’t deserve our support in Afghanistan our soldiers are still dying there .
Ron,
In trying to excuse Kings actions you chose the words,
‘I would never have backed fund-raising campaigns that I learned helped fund IRA attacks in Britain, against civilian targets’
Are you saying that ‘military targets’ were ok? Peter King wouldn’t condemn the I.R.A attack on a police station killing 9 0fficers.
The I.R.A used the term ‘legitimate’ targets ,this was anybody that worked for the British State like postmen,ambulance drivers,builders they even killed the people carrying out the census.
If your uncle was in the army or the police you were a legitimate target.
The problem is that King doesn’t regret the killings on our streets and that is truly despicable and you should all be ashamed for supporting him.
The IRA are utterly evil. On the Day of Judgment, G-D will give eternal punishment to the IRA and ALL violent organizations and individuals. G-D will show no mercy to those who have shown no mercy!
The terrible suffering endured by innocent non-Muslims in Muslim majority countries and areas is not something to ignore. It can happen to America!
No matter what Rep. King’s past is, Rep King’s hearings are urgently needed!
The question is, also; is it already too late for Europe and the UK whose governments have brought in Muslims in such great numbers, it is predicted these countries will all become Islamic nations ruled by Islam.
Over 80% of mosques in the US have been radicalized by Saudi money & influence. This is happening globally! Imams go into US jails & have converted & radicalized inmates. Any nation that ignores the facts is committing national suicide!
Muslims and Leftists are silent over the frightening reality of more than
16,921 Islamic terror attacks since 9/11
Terror attacks by other religions: NONE.
And deathly silent over severe persecution endured by non-Muslims in majority Muslim countries and areas. In Pakistan, Bangladesh & Egypt, persecution of Hindus, Sikhs & Christians is so bad, they ALL need rescuing!
There may be some justification in holding hearings about anti-US Muslims. Unfortunately King has too much baggage, with his past support of the IRA terrorists. And for those saying the opposition to King is coming only from leftists, where are the conservative voices? Either you’re against terrorism of all kinds, or you’re not. King needs to step aside in favor of someone who can bring a more balanced voice to the hearings.
I am deeply shocked that Rep King could ever have supported the extremely CRUEL and WICKED IRA!
If Rep King cannot give the hearings, someone else must do so! Our survival as a nation is at stake!
Council on American-Islamic Relations: “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.” – Omar Ahmad (CAIR co-founder).
Addressing a youth session at the 1999 Islamic Association for Palestine’s annual convention in Chicago, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) founder Omar Ahmad praised suicide bombers who “kill themselves for Islam,”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52184
Ron Radosh, 7. Jamie Gorelick, Earl Harding…and assorted bar stool sops whinning in your green beer.
Hey you fellows want to sit around and argue about the former Irish Troubles, have at it. I mean look, there are certain to be a few cornish hens hung out with the dirty linen ….sein fein dis and dat …doncha know…over the past 500 yars! Heck you can foam at the mouth just limiting the discussion to post Easter Rebellion..aye?
I just cant believe this post. These hearings…into national security issues that pertain now…are tainted or illegit or something…because of King wrongly abbetted the former violence of the IRA?
Well hey – present your evidence as to why the congressman should be brought up to the Hauge and be done with it already. What has been his recent crimes [like post Clinton - based on the evidence presented - which is pathetic] regarding Ireland – packaging toxic CDO’s sold on the bond market which contributed to the emerald islands current inclusion in the European Union’s PIGS? As it turns out the debt bomb was far more devestating.
King has been called out by CAIR – and other dubious self-appointed guardians of American Muslim civil rights – as the newest conservative incarnation of McCarthy and Radosh is off resurrecting (and in the process – helping legitimize) a thirty and fourty year old whispering campaign?
For a guy who has extensively written about how these kinds of politics of personal assassination muddles debate and distracts the public – this is one curious post. Its beyond absurd. Its surreal.
And as a tatic it won’t work. Dredging up past transgressions – from Japanese internment to German immigrants prior to WWI to conflating racial profiling post drug war for blacks to Imam’s today demading hands off their dresses @ the airport – or whether the outspoken congressman from NY did or didn’t assist the IRA – means nothing to Americans worried about the radicalization of Muslims among us.
It matters not one whit – because they are two very different issues.
In the 70′s in Boston I had friends in college who told me about some Irish priests who seemed obsessed with being apolgists for the very violence Earl Harding is pretty touchy about. So What?
This threat that King has been out front on is real. So real, I believe, that groups like CAIR and their allies on ACLU have been running around with their hair on fire kicking up a storm – in fact I watched their dog and pony show just yesterday on C-Span. And congressman Ellison’s touching display of emotion today.
Again – so what?
You talk about the past as if it was ancient history and nobody was around back then Ron. There was lots of investigations about these ties – some people even went to jail over it – but Peter King as some kind of mastermind who got away with it? It’s a pathetic joke.
I mean the Irish are legendary for their grudges – and one of the larger one’s held today – IS HOW UNINTERESTED AND UNHELPFUL AMERICANS WERE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE 20TH CENTURY WHEN IT CAME TO ASSISTING CATHOLICS TO TAKE BACK THEIR ISLAND!
Americans gave more money to combat malaria in the congo for chrissakes!
We didn’t care when the Irish were blowing each other up. And the closest we came to an apology was to send Mitchell and help end it all – arguably the greatest Foreign Policy achievement of the Clinton era.
WEll we do care about Muslims who want to blow us up – foreign or native. Who kill our soldiers because of some silly$%# political correctness bull*&^^! And that means we have a right and responsiblity to ensure American Mosques are not inciting insurrection and murder – like some in Europe are.
These hearings aren’t about Peter King or Rep Ellison for that matter. They are about a healthy dialouge necessary for the American people to have today. I don’t buy the ‘witchhunt’ argument one bit – nor do I find anything of value in your select readings on recent history Ron.
You have wandered off into apologist territory yourself in this one. What is next Ron – you gonna get a license to set up a booth next the ground zero Mosque!
I agree with you in principal but the pro-Islamicist leftwing press will use this to delegitimitize the hearings based on King’s past support for Irish terrorism. Best have someone else be the public face of this.
At the March 6 Rally in New York City on Sunday, that protested King’s hearings, a ‘Christian’ pastor held a misleading and EXTREMELY DECEPTIVE sign: “Who would Jesus persecute? Islam is not my enemy!”
See: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/06/us-muslim-protest-idUSTRE7252VY20110306
The ‘Jesus’ sign is EXTREMELY DECEPTIVE. If Jesus had been born in our time period, from the time his mother carried Jesus in her womb, Jesus and his family would have been targeted for MURDER by the Islamo Nazis for being JEWS living in their Biblical HOMELAND of Israel.
The Palestinian Authority (the Muslim terrorist organization the US/EU/UK//UN demand Israel surrender half her tiny land to), hailed as HEROES the terrorists who brutally MURDERED defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish mother, Tali Hatuel, and 4 little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004.
This is one in a Very Long List of Horrendous Major Muslim Terrorist Attacks in Israel:
March 2, 2002: Ten people were killed and over 50 were injured in a suicide bombing at 7 pm on Saturday evening near a yeshiva in the ultra-Orthodox Beit Yisrael neighborhood in the center of Jerusalem where people had gathered for a bar-mitzva celebration. The terrorist detonated the bomb next to a group of women waiting with their baby carriages for their husbands to leave the nearby synagogue. Six children were among the victims. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade took responsibility for the attack. http://www.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.asp
As infidels, WE ARE ALL ISRAELIS!
Often on this site there is comments about Obama hating us here in the U.K.
By returning Churchill’s bust etc and apologise to us for his actions.
Peter King is despised here.I have tried to post twice about the actions of the I.R.A but i am being censored.
I have just listened to him being interviewed,claiming that it was ok because the I.R.A didn’t attack America.
How are the families of our soldiers killed in Afghanistan supposed to take that from an allie in the war on terror.
Even him being in this postion shows the U.S as the biggest hypocrites and you wonder why we are anti-american.
Why is there even a debate.He supported and funded a terrorist group.It’s wrong,end of.
mags, did you not see your comment at comment #16?
It is very shocking if King did indeed, support and fund the utterly evil and completely satanic IRA.
I care deeply about Britain and Brits. For sure, most Americans care about Brits and we consider you as our brothers and sisters. G-D bless and protect Britain and Brits always.
On Judgment Day, G-D will give back to the IRA all of the terrible things they have done to innocents. Count on it. G-D keeps ALL His promises.
mags, you are at comment #16 and #17. You are NOT censored.
I had never heard before of Rep. King supporting the IRA. I’m sure, most people were also completely unaware of that. He MUST repent. Ask G-D to forgive him. And publicly ask for the forgiveness of the British people.
I am so sorry for the horrible suffering the IRA have perpetrated against innocent Brits.
Thanks Linda.My comments went through moderation and disappeared for a couple of hours and then appeared together.
It is sad that Americans do not know about Peter King .But they do now and i don’t see any movement to oust him and even demand he apologies to the victims of I.R.A terrorism,that in itself sends us a message.
The important part of the hearings on radicalization of Islam is how the Islamicists oppress Muslims, to coerce their silence, then their cooperation, then their activism.
The first people oppressed by radical Islam is Muslims. Only after that is done can they begin to conduct terror operations against others. In that way they are much like the IRA who killed and tortured far more Irish than they did anyone else.
Yet another reason why “War on Terror” was such a stupid idea. Terror is a tactic. Like a rifle or a nuclear bomb, it’s only a tool, which use is as good or bad as the reason for its use. Personally, I’d happily sink the entire island of Great Britain to get the Protty bastards out of Ireland. Ever hear of Queen Elizabeth I, the Plantation of Ulster, or Oliver Cromwell? Any one would justify mass murder of English. I would hate to destroy the ancient Catholic cathedrals they confiscated, but we can’t have everything, eh? Every faithful Mohammedan is an enemy of every Christian, being commanded by Allah in the Koran to wage jihad against unbelievers. Whether they live under a dictator or obtain political freedom, if the result is their freedom to act as Mohammedans, then Christians must be against it. That’s the problem with blood enemies. Victory is only the first step. Then they must be destroyed.
Ron is exactly right about how Congressman King should have dealt with this question. Now, speaking as someone who grew up in Ireland during “The Troubles” (not that that qualifies me as the keeper of all truth) I’ll say this about the difference between the IRA (and other European terror groups of the same vintage) and the global jihadists that target America today: The IRA never had “mass death” as one of their goals. Although they were murdering thugs and quite heartless, they still had fundamentally political goals, and their “political wing” walked a fine line in remaining free to pursue those methods. Killing thousands of civilians in a single operation would simply never have been on their radar; it would in fact have defeated their purposes because it would have ensured that Britain would have done whatever it took to eliminate them completely. They calibrated their actions to suit their goals. Whereas, not to put too fine a point on it, the jihadists would dearly love to just kill us all — and will do so if they ever can.
Re the IRA not being a threat to the U.S. Wrong. All factions of the IRA, Sinn Fein, Provisional/Provos/Trotskyite and the newer splinters are/were marxist despite what they said.
While the traditional IRA/Sinn Fein might have been less “left” than the others, even Tom Hayden calls them “leftist” and of course Tom knows “Left”.
These groups had front organizations (NORAID) in the U.S., and even sent Bernadine Devlin (Trotskyite) to tour the U.S. under the auspices of the Trotskyite “Socialist Workers Party”, an avowed enemy of U.S. imperialism and capitalism.
The Communist Party USA supported the IRA, as did every other marxist party in the U.S.
THe IRA, in turn, trained the Palestinian terrorists from the PLO (Arafat) to the PFLP and possibly the DPFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) factions, as well as the KGB/Stasi-financed/trained Baader Meinhoff Group. They also hosted international terrorist conferences, had ties to Castro, the Colombian marxist FARC (even till today), Moscow, and some of the old Soviet Bloc countries.
They were fighting America by training proxy fighters who DID attack the U.S., directly or indirectly thru overseas terrorism.
Not only did Rep. King, back then support the IRA, so did Sen. Ted Kennedy (see Molly Malone’s book). At least King is trying to do the right thing now. Kennedy never did (see Paul Kengor’s writings).
I have learned a lot about the Hollywood left from the Radosh’s book, and understand Ron’s great knowledge of history of the left.
However all the pertinent information presented here that relates to what is to be accomplished by the hearing beginning tomorrow, could have been very brief and without a suggested apology.
We will never have a leader who is perfect, we need to concentrate on what comes out of the hearings, without starting with an apology. I apologize for my ancestors killing Indians and taking their land, now does that mean we sit down and cry, and turn our country over to the Sharia-Cons.
I’m sorry but this issue of the IRA is nothing more than a distraction of what the current problem of radicalization of the Muslim world is. Anything to take our eyes off the real issue. If we do not get a handle on the radical terrorists Muslims then we are facing a painful and insidious underming of the West way of life. Bring out the big guns by exposing the truth to the naive Western nations and especially those foolhearty and blind Americans that are supporting them not even realizing what or who they are because of their own blind tolerance. Go Mr. King.
I don’t think the IRA has a shred of credibility left because it went SO much farther in its aggression than was EVER necessary.
That said, the several centuries of British rule of Ireland has not been all unicorns and sunshine, either.
The British treated the Irish with evil for centuries, that evil was returned by the IRA and I regard both in the same light on that particular issue.
Having said that, no American citizen should have involved themselves on such a level.We are allowed our opinions but that is as far as any American should have taken it. Peter King is an hypocrite and has sullied himself. His explanation is unexceptable.
These hearings are long overdue and crucial. Although, King seems to be doing justice this time around, and despite the unwarrented hysteria, it would probably to best if he would recuse himself and for another to step up to the task.
However, my support for these hearings will continue and are not contingent,in the end, on Peter King. The hearings are not about Peter King’s past history, but rather about an on-going and intolerable situation
where both American citizens and guests from other nations plot against innocent Americans.
Ronnie: Once again, I’m impelled to talk about politics and bedfellows. More to the point, did you see the op ed piece in last week’s Sunday N. Y Times, by a man whom I believe is a muslim cleric, stating that he welcomes the hearings (notwithstanding King’s sullied bona fides, since it may give some muslims an opportunity to educate a) about Islam, b) about its complicated and varied political stances, and c)about those who have helped in the war against terrorism. I think about your statements about Injrid Nadji (I probably have her name mispelled), who has called for more voices against Islamic terrorism.
Interesting comments all and a great article. In part it helps people understand what a terrorist organization is and i would submit that any group that deliberately murders civilians regardless of race, nationality or religion is a terrorist organization – i.e. they employ terror as a political tool. Planting a bomb in a department store is the act of a terrorist. Flying a plane into a building is an act of a terrorist. Murdering a doctor who provides abortions is the act of a terrorist. The cause that the group is fighting for and trying to achieve is irrelevant. The only question that needs to be answered then is if the murder of innocents justifies the ultimate political objective – and for me that’s a darn high bar. Perhaps before Mr King holds a hearing on “radicals” and “terrorism” he should first define exactly what these terms means to him in terms of actions and deeds.
As for holding hearing on radical Islam – I would suggest that if any member of congress or even the public wishes to educate themselves their is a host of material available. The root causes that motivate the rank and file of these organizations in the middle east are well known – poverty and a lack of opportunity,lack of political inclusion and no accountability of public figures, social stratification and stagnation, frustration and anger. Add into the mix someone to blame and a “noble” cause and you have the basic explanation. And that is exactly why a significant number of people in the Islamic community in the US aren’t radicalized – because despite our flaws and problems, we do offer economic opportunity and political freedom. That is our strength my friends, so long as we are true to it.
1. More Catholics were killed by Protestant terrorist groups. 2. No Catholics were in the police force [or the shipyards]. 3. The Brits sent in troops to protect the Catholics. 4. On “Bloody Sunday” ten unarmed, peaceful Catholic protesters [including a priest] were shot dead by British soldiers. 5. This event initiated the Provisional IRA responses. At all times the Unionist [Protestant] side had the overwhelming numbers of men under arms, many in the police force, and bombed and killed more than the IRA. Both sides should be condemned for their violence. But understand that Anglo Saxon Protestants killed Celtic Catholic Highlanders and settled much of Scotland. Later, they ruled Ireland and exported wheat while millions of Irish were starving. Who planted the seeds of anger? The native people or the oppressive conquerors, who treated the native Irish as sub-human.
Firstly it is refreshing to see Americans condemning the actions of the I.R.A,of which we appreciate.
Ron,an answer please.
‘I would never have backed fund-raising campaigns that I learned helped fund IRA attacks in Britain, against civilian targets. ‘
To write it ,it must mean jou agree with it.
What attacks were/are the I.R.A justified in doikg?
Anyway he said in the 89′s and 90′s that if civilains were killed in ‘military ‘ attacks the he wouldn’t hold the I.R.A morally responsible.
He has been backing Pol Brennan an escaped convicted terrorist .
http://kingwatch.blogspot.com/2008/06/king-gets-hypocritical-on-illegal-irish.html
If you haven’t got time to read it,the main quote is,
“My experience dealing with (Irish) republicans is that they don’t jump bail in this country. They honor their commitments. Based on my experience, and also the republican movement’s commitment to the peace process, I think he should get bail.”
You should all be saying that he shouldn’t be put in charge of a vegetable peeler never mind these hearings.
More Catholics were killed by Protestant terrorist groups.
Wrong. The only way you can claim more Catholics were killed is if you don’t count policemen and UDR (similar to National Guard) victims of Republican terrorism. The IRA knew that when they killed a cop etc chances were they were getting a Protestant. As far as ALL Protestants are concerned members of the security forces are members of the community. The IRA, like Peter King, were sectarian bigots.
2. No Catholics were in the police force [or the shipyards]
A couple of months ago I met a Catholic from Armagh who served in the security forces. Needless to say who couldn’t go home. When the Troubles began there were plenty of Catholics in the security forces. The problem was that they were easier for the IRA to get at as they usually lived or had family in Catholic areas. Catholics in the security forces were particularly valued targets of the IRA. Catholics in security forces targeted by IRA so few join; Irish nationalists claim that because there few Catholics they are victims of discrimination!
3. The Brits sent in troops to protect the Catholics.
And the first people killed by the British army were Protestants on the Shankill Road.
4. On “Bloody Sunday” ten unarmed, peaceful Catholic protesters [including a priest] were shot dead by British soldiers.
Peaceful? Ha!
5. This event initiated the Provisional IRA responses.
Wrong. By Bloody Sunday there’d already been over 200 deaths mostly due to IRA and splinter group violence.
Later, they ruled Ireland and exported wheat while millions of Irish were starving.
Most Irish merchants were middle class Catholics, not Protestants or English. They exported food because that’s how they made a living. The British government set up welfare schemes and subsidized food but it backfired. Merchants (mostly Irish) stopped importing food because government subsidies caused them to lose money on their imports.
Donald O’Brien is too dumb to be a good propagandist.
My memory failed me writing of Bloody Sunday which occurred over 38 years ago. I said 10 peaceful Catholic demonstrators were killed by British soldiers. I checked and the number was 14. Your coarse riposte was, “Peaceful? Ha!”. Quite a forceful response! Secondly, on Shankill Road British soldiers were fired upon by Unionist thugs under cover of darkness. One Constable and two “civilians” were killed in the crossfire. They were angry that British troops were replacing the notorious B Specials of the RUC. Hardly comparable to a daylight march by unarmed Catholics on Bloody Sunday. Thirdly, you claim it wasn’t discrimination that kept most Catholics out of the police force, and I’m sure you would say there was no collusion between the Royal Ulster Constabulary and the Ulster Volunteer Force and the Ulster Defense Force. Official British Inquiries would say you are wrong. Lastly, a reading of English or Irish history would reveal that one Lord in Parliament termed the Irish Famine as a welcome solution to “the Irish Problem.” Unlike you, I won’t call another person dumb, that’s childish. But I’m not afraid to sign my name above my opinions, and I am disappointed that so few, on my favorite blog, chose to another side to this issue. Cruelty and murder happened on both sides. You could check the torture murders of the Shankill Butchers, and numbers you incorrectly dispute are public knowledge.
The articles regarding the alleged torture of I.R.A. informers and spies, shows
the sinister side of the british government, and the diabolic use of informers
to suite their own corrupted ends, the facts are clear, the I.R.A. has shot nearly every known informer brought to their attention since the early 1980′s
despite the use of power drills to extract confessions from spies, many agreed
to do the dirty work of the british government, what we must make clear is the
facts prove that many of the I.R.A. spy victims were effectively “Blackmailed”
into becomming spies by the more sinister activities of the security forces, it
is well known the government ran blackmail campaigns in ireland to obtain intell
igence on the I.R.A. the london spies being paid via brief cases and given false
id was not the stuff of fiction but the stuff of fact, involving many senior
figures from the thacther govenment and MI5, the sad facts of informers and spies are slowly comming to light, the british government and the I.R.A. have
some serious questions to answer, questions about serious crimes, and the lack
of protection provided to those who were forced to do the dirty work of the
security services and paid with their lives, the government should come clean
and accept the criminal methods used to recruit spies was wrong.