Romney Goes to Israel and Dershowitz Flacks for Obama
Harvard law professor and pundit Alan Dershowitz is, like most of us, a man of parts — good and bad. I witnessed the good personally a few years ago when I saw him go toe-to-toe with supporters of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the UN’s Durban II conference in Geneva. He was magnificent.
Of course, opposing Ahmadinejad isn’t exactly a complicated moral challenge. The execrable Iranian is auditioning for Junior Hitler. Still, Ahmadinejad’s presence as speaker at a “human rights conference” was a disgrace and, as much as anyone else on the scene, Dershowitz led the charge against him.
He has also been a staunch defender of Israel against the likes of Walt and Mearsheimer and he recently had some insightful things to say about the dubious second-degree murder indictment of George Zimmerman. (We’ll excuse as best we can Dershowitz’s cringeworthy participation in OJ’s prevaricating legal Dream Team as an unfortunate exercise in self-promotion.)
But today, for reasons that are unclear at best, at the very moment of Mitt Romney’s arrival in Jerusalem, the law professor has decided to inject himself in the political process by publishing an apologia pro vita Obama regarding the president’s Israel policy. He has no “buyer’s remorse,” Dershowitz tells us, from supporting Obama in 2008 and will do it again this year.
All this although the president has made no secret of his distaste for the prime minister of Israel, both through overheard conversation with Sarkozy and his own ugly snubbing of Netanyahu at the White House. More importantly, in actual political terms, the Obama administration seems to have a policy of putting pressure on the Israelis in the peace process but never on the Palestinians. Besides being grossly unfair, this has also been unworkable and will undoubtedly continue to be so. (It is also arguably racist because it treats the Palestinians as ungovernable children unable to compromise like adults.) Obama’s Middle East policy has achieved the hat trick of being at once cynical, unimaginative, and reactionary.
In defense of the administration, Dershowitz points to its criticism of the Goldstone Report, which was tepid at best. Indeed, the administration ended up criticizing that pernicious and dishonest report on the Gaza conflict less stringently than Judge Goldstone himself, who finally renounced it after being confronted with obvious facts he chose to ignore.
Meanwhile, serious questions about Obama’s real beliefs about the Middle East remain. The Khalidi tape has still not been released by the Los Angeles Times, although that paper would leak just about anything that would ratify its narrative. (Somehow the tape is more sacrosanct that any secret held by the CIA or the NSA.) I wonder if Dershowitz would be embarrassed if it turned out that Obama was in substantial agreement with the militantly anti-Zionist views held by his friend Rashid Khalidi, whose going away party to replace Edward Said at Columbia that video tape documents. Barack and Michelle Obama were in attendance. Fortunately for the professor, he can probably rely on the Times to keep it hidden.
Wasn’t getting the cocktail party invitations.
Precisely, Mr. Martin!
Yes, why? Venture an answer, please. I know a Liberal “Catholic” (sic), literally converted from conservatism to Obama-ism, who argues for abortion, supports homosexual marriage, agrees with the HHS Mandate pressure on Catholic Bishops and I could go on. It never bothers him that he is in fundamental opposition to his Church affiliation. Why? I will not offer the answer here, although I believe to have accumulated enough data that, once connected, points to a value pattern structure of, let me say, “welfare-ism” in the extreme. O.K., my friend is explicable based on collected data and mediated by a hypothesis that allows me to predict his next value judgment. I know sufficiently why the man will betray his Church and have no intellectual qualms. I now return to Dershowitz or to any other American Jew who supports Israel and must be aware of the nature of the threats. Israel is not exactly a “Church”, but it is extremely important for Jewish self-identity. It is clear the Obama’s accomodation or, better, appeasement policy towards Islam, even Brotherhood Islam, not to mention disinterest in the opposition in Iran, has not altered the threat, rather augmented it. If Dershowitz is similarly aware, then, what motivates him to support Obama, particularly as counterweight to Romney? Why? Suggest a “hypothesis”, at least, so that I might understand. Whether the truth will make me free is not certain. It does help to understand why my freedom is in danger. Once again, why? Your opinion?
Not much of a response to your question other than to say a liberal is a liberal first and foremost and every other component of his psyche, be it his occupation, avocation or religious affiliation is secondary. If you understand liberalism as essentially a disease of the soul you will have no difficulty comprehending their counterintuitive and sometimes near suicidal commitments and beliefs.
Exactly. They have Catholic pretensions. I know a liberal who is a Baptist, and she’s probably more anti-Christian than anyone I know. They use these religious affiliations because they don’t want to be seen as atheists; God forbid! But of course that’s changing, and the days are coming when most liberals will be proud atheists. No more need for Catholic pretensions or other phony religious affiliations.
As a Jew, I contend that a majority of American Jews loathe Republicans/conservatives more than they love both America, and Israel. Modern Judaism has largely been hijacked by the leftist/environment movement masquerading as an organized religion.
Thank you for the insight. Decades ago I heard some anti-Jewish propaganda that, well, American Jews love their country less than THEIR country, i.e., Israel. The implications of such slander are obvious. What is now becoming obvious is that in some way THEIR country is slipping away into the background of importance. I glance occasionally at Jer. Post and Hareetz (?) and this last news outlet can surprise me re opinions inside of Israel that seem to endanger the land. I saw a day or so ago in Fox News and interview with Mayor Koch. He said he had disciplined Obama in his errant ways re Israel, the pres. is honorable and supports Israel is obvious. Ergo, he, Mayor Koch, can return to the Democrats. Beyond that, so claimed Koch, the American Jewish community historically sees in the vast majority its political home in the (welfare) programs of Democrats. I seem to be identifying the “slipping away Jews” with the Jewish identification with the Democrats. Is this false move, despite obvious affiliation with the Dems? Pardon my obvious consternation. In maybe naught but stereotyping, but “Jews” are supposedly known for being quarrelsome–amongst themselves. To a stereotypic outsider it can be confusing.
Perhaps Dershowszits is hoping in vain that the Obongo is going to nominate him for the Supreme Court.
I think it’s because progressives have infiltrated the churches with their ideology as much they have education. I was raised United Methodist and what I see my church doing literally makes me cringe. The faith they seem to be preaching in most places these days doesn’t resemble the faith I was raised with in the ’80s. Church attendance is suffering as a result, but this is where you get all these claims that Christ was a proud socialist and ideas about collective salvation.
As an attorney Dershowitz knows how to make a case. Why he is making one for Obama is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that another four years of Obama would be a disaster, not just for Israel, but for every human being on the planet.
Your #3 comment is the best one here.
Thank you.
Roger, I think you answered your own question when you wrote that it was worth noting that Dershowitz had written this at the precise moment that significant numbers of the Jewish community were beginning to desert the Democrat Party. Do you really have any doubt that the White House not very subtly leaned on the famous Jewish professor to produce such an effusive expiation if he wished to stay in the good graces of the Great Chairman and his many Jewish cohorts?
American Jews should have read Obama’s second book. It would have diminished the support for the “ambivalent” candidate and president. I quoted from the Audacity of Hope here: http://clarespark.com/2009/09/11/oil-politics-and-obamas-view-of-israeli-history/. It was obvious that Obama held to the moral equivalence argument that has been the dominant line of MSM.
Poor old Mr. Derchowitz is a pure, unadulterated sychophant for Obama.
Really….that’s all we need to understand.
I wouldn’t call Dershowitz a sycophant — he’s evolved since 9/11 into a more abrasive version of Daniel Patrick Moynihan. DPM was prescient during the Johnson Administration on the negative effects the Great Society program would have on the family lives of African-Americans, and drew kudos from the right for he work as U.N. ambassador under Nixon. But after he was elected Senator in 1976 you could count on Moynihan to talk a good game at times — he famously denounced the Clinton Administration’s spin on HillaryCare® as “Boob bait for bubbas” — but in the end, won hen push came to shove you knew DPM was going to vote with the other Democrats on key issues every single time.
Dershowitz is the same way. He’s not the Sid Blumethal-like Democratic shill he was during the 1990s, but he always finds ways to talk himself out of making a clean break with some of his former allies. It’s his own version of ‘battered wife syndrome’ — Team Obama can bat his beliefs on Israel and dealing with terrorism around for 3 1/2 years like a pinata, and he comes back to them in the end, because he just can’t see life without being a part of the Democratic Party.
Roger, (and others) please see – ‘When Intellectual Honesty Smacks Up Against Leftist Delusions…A Nation-Saving Prescription To Beat Them Back’. The issues at hand are mirror images, in both the US & Israel. They are inextricably linked.
Just extrapolate one from another.
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Anyone who would be swayed by the lies and deceit of Dershowitz, the repugnant mouthpiece of the unrepentent killer OJ, is already gone anyway.
To paraphrase Proverbs 26:11 – As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a Harvard law professor returneth to his folly.
We agreed with Dershowitz on Zimmerman v. Black Rabble Rousers, but he has returned to form. OK, Harvard Law is way over rated any way. Who cares what he thinks?
Dershowitz is a man who knowingly lied to get an (almost) certain murderer, OJ Simpson, off.
He told the jury that only a small number of abused women are killed by their husbands, less than 1% in fact, so that OJ was an abusive husband is no evidence that he is the killer.
But Nicole WAS murdered. The relevant statistic is therefore, not how many abused women were killed by their husbands, but how many MURDERED women were killed by the abusive spouse. The answer? About 50-60% or so, or more, so the fact that OJ was an abusive husband is plenty relevant to his guilt.
Dershowitz is far too smart to not know this. It wasn’t a mistake in statistics. He simply knowingly lied, to make a murderer go free for a hefty fee. The man, for all his posturing, is a moral bankrupt, a fake, who would do anything for money.
Every time I see him defending Israel, I think to myself — as an Israeli — “Is this the best we can do? Is Israel’s case so hopeless, it has to get someone most famous for getting murderers off to defend it?”.
Dershowita shames himself with his support of an Administration that will not pronounce the capital of Israel.
Correction: That’s “Dershowitz” but the sentiment is still the same.
Alan Dershowitz has already blurted out the truth to Melanie Phillips. He is adamantly pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage. Everything else is of secondary importance. It is really that simple.
Indeed, being a liberal and a Democrat seems to trump everything else. He’s little different from Ed Koch, NY’s former mayor. A life-long Democrat, he was so upset by Obama’s policy toward Israel he helped a Republican, Bob Turner, win NY’s 9th district last year. But all it took was a subsequent meeting with Obama and a few reassuring words and he’s once again back in Obama’s camp. It’s a process I call “reverting to the mean”, wherein one may deviate from his natural position for myriad reasons, but it doesn’t take much to bring one back to his usual position.
than just a few “reassuring words”
what a breath of fresh air you are this morning! As an Independent i can see what an iron clad enlistment from our Black citizens to the democrats has gotten them. (i dont feel qualified to give an opinion on Mr.Dershoritz).
Roger, your answer as to why Dershowitz would betray Israel is clearly demonstrated in the Hebrew Scriptures (i.e., the Old Testament). He is a member of a people group that, for whatever reason, is extremely self-destructive.
Dave, I wanted to respond to your comment -
” He is a member of a people group that, for whatever reason, is extremely self-destructive. ”
If the self destructive group you are referring to is Liberals, fair enough. However since you commented on the Hebrew Scriptures and since Dershowitz is himself a Jew , I got the impression you were talking about Jews.
If so that would be a very strange comment about a people with a 4,000 year old history.
Menachem, how could you say that just a day after Tisha B’Av? The Torah (the entire Tanach) through the closing of the Talmud through modern history is a demonstration of how we Jews have indeed consistently been our own worse enemies.
Tisha B’Av is far deeper than that. We have experienced disastrous divisiveness between Jews over four thousand years. We have also experienced the disastrous repercussions of living in the wider world and suffering at the hands of humanities most barbaric peoples and nations. And even deeper T’isha B”Av is about Redemption.
G-d keeps His promises.
” The most significant aspect of the establishment of the state of Israel is the fact that Jews through the ages knew that it was to be.”
Rabbi Eliezer Berkovits
He will say or do whatever it takes to defeat the Christian “hicks in the sticks” who are so despised by those on the coasts.
Yep, his hostility to Christianity, trumps support for Israel.
It really is a simple as that.
You’re an idiot.
I say that with all due respect.
You know me Michael of Maine.
Good to see you again, my fellow Conservative. Hopefully we can oust Obama from the White House and get a GOP majority in the Senate in November…and then replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg with a solid conservative, maybe even a Protestant Christian this time. Even if we do have our differences.
The time will come soon enough when we will see with our own eyes the terrible treatment the Lord will meet out on His foes.
And if anyone thinks it is some kind of joy to be seeing the hairless, deformed man/dogs going about in their midst … they are sure wrong about that.
But it will give one plenty of time to reflect on their wisdom in supporting those leaders who offend the Lord. Better to be on the Lord’s side in everything.
I heard Dersch speak at Univ. of Penn this Spring. He was there to speak out against the people who were forming “anti”-apartheid coalitions against Israel. I went figuring him to be a staunch supporter of Israel. I was wrong. He is merely a progressive Democrat — and he identifies and such. When given the opportunity to criticize Barky’s policies and speeches at the UPenn talk, as well as Barky’s anti-Israel stances and appointments, he equivocated, and covered for Barky. I knew right then the guy was a liar and a partisan hack… and he’d be voting for Barkty NO MATTER WHAT. Period the end. Done. So, I am not surprised by his comments here.
Cryin’ out loud Dersh, just when I thought you brought a degree of sanity, with the Zimmerman situation, by blasting the very biased and intimidated prosecutor and the National Jewish Democratic Council, you go sideways AGAIN.
Roger – You can take a boy out of Brooklyn, but sometimes you just can’t take Brooklyn out of the boy. Dershowitz, a Brooklyn boy was inculcated with the notion that Democrat is good, Republican is bad, and somehow he can’t shake free of that notion. Some Jews, regretfully, are just like that. No amount of empirical evidence will shake them of their conviction that Republicans are evil. I have a relative just like that. He is staunchly pro-Israel; he writes letters to various Jewish and non-Jewish publications when he thinks their position on Israel is wrong. Yet, it appears he will vote for O. To quote him: “I can’t vote for your man [Romney] or your party.” With regard to Dershowitz and other Jews who will vote for O, I can only say: There are none so blind as those who will not look.
Dershowitz has been hard on Obama to as regards Israel — and he’s been one of the most notable public figures to speak out against Obamacare. The above poster is right, he’s a man of parts. I respect Prof. Dershowitz even though I don’t always agree with him. I don’t think Mr. Simon is being entirely fair in this article.
It would appear from his op-ed that he supports Obamacare. He calls it the first important healthcare legislation in recent history.
Dershowitz is the tip of the iceberg. He is merely a visible spokesman for millions of American Jews – and Israelis – who pleasure in denying reality and in currying favor with the enlightened while trying to reform the Gentile world.
Their efforts, while maybe in a good spirit, violate most laws of human nature and common sense.
I sadly agree with the poster above who talked of our self-destructive tendencies. I had an Israeli friend whose wife claimed this was a ‘psychosis’ caused by the fact that Avraham married his half-sister – maybe so.
It certainly weakens my connection to my own people at times, and makes me want to throw up my hands.
What do Israelis have to do with “reform[ing] the Gentile world”? All the Israeli lefties want to do is copy everything from Europe, wheather it’s a failure (a bloated welfare state) or just doesn’t fit the circumtances of living in an ocean of hostile, oppressive and permanently angry Muslims (as opposed to peaceful ultra-liberal Scandinavians, as some of our lefties seem to imagine our neighbors are because that’s how Western universities describe them and if the West says so it’s a far stronger evidence than what you can see and hear with your own eyes and ears).
Given AD’s previous positions on Zimmerman and Media Matters perhaps been this latest position is the result of some form of “Bookering” or perhaps he simply waiting at the light so as not to be thrown under that big old Canadian Obama bus.
“It’s worth noting too that Dershowitz has written his defense of Obama at a moment when, for the first time in memory, significant numbers of the Jewish community are beginning to desert the Democratic Party. (Even longtime Democrat and Middle East negotiator Dennis Ross appears to be withdrawing support for Obama. He, of all people, should know something.)”
There was a special Congressional election in New York City (I think it was for Anthony Weiner’s old seat, but I could be wrong on that) in a heavily Jewish part of the city. For the first time since the 1930s the House seat went to a Republican and NOT to a Democrat. Most of the people who voted Republican said they did so because of Obama’s bad treatment of Israel. Could this be the start of a national trend?
If you are a Jewish voter and are concerned for the future of Israel, ask yourself just one question. Over the past four years, which group of people has Obama made the greatest effor to ingratiate himself with and befriend, Jews or Muslims? Given all the speeches he has made about Muslims FOR Muslims and AGAINST the United States (the Cairo speech probably being the worst), I think the answer is pretty clear. Obama sees Israel as the problem in the Middle East, NOT the answer.
It was OK for Jewish voters to be wrong in 2008. But to repeat a mistake given all of the evidence over the past four years would be just plain foolish. And Jewish voters certainly are not foolish.
I grew up on the streets of New York City so please forgive me the language of my youth-
If Obama had any balls as an American he would have canceled Clinton’s visit to Egypt the moment Morsi
declared his intention to free Omar Abdul Rahman from American jail.
Rahman is the Egyptian ghoul behind the World Trade Center attacks and a murderer of thousands of Americans.
That an American Secretary of State was sent to congratulate Morsi on his election victory after those comments were made demonstrates how completely alien this administration is to the American character.
There is no pride in this President.
Oh he’s got pride alright…….in the Islamic jihadist extremsits who now are in control in the ME, thanks to our esteemed small c “leader.”
He is the least qualified leader in the world.
He doesn’t always promote religion.
But when he does, the religion is Islam.
Stay ignorant my friends.
“. . . significant numbers of the Jewish community are beginning to desert the Democratic Party . . .
I’ve been hearing this every year for the past 20, yet on election day, it’s always the same. I’ll believe they are deserting when their is evidence to prove it. Until then, I’ll continue to see the typical American Jew as his own worst political enemy, beholden to a party that loathes him but counts on him to pull the right lever no matter what.
Ack! “there,” not “their.”
An edit feature would be nice……:-)
Dershashitz is about the stupidest man in America. Take the OJ case.
OJ has a long history of beating and threatening his wife. His blood is all over the crime scene. The victims’ blood is all over his house and car. He’s seen climbing over the wall back into his own house after the murder. He sports a wound identical to one sustained by the murderer. A bloody glove from the murder is found at OJ’s house.
Dershashitz’ analysis: “Duh, if only there were more clues”.
And Dershashitz is one of the leading lights of Harvard Law School. The others are even more stupid.
For example, not a single one of them could figure out Elizabeth Warren isn’t an Indian.
A shame, but Dershowitz was, is and always will be a liberal Jew first. And that means politics over principle.
Dershowitz may be a tepid supporter of Israel when the adversary so obvious as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but I find nothing terribly brave about that. Dershowitz is also a shameless self-promoter, who I’ve never been terribly impressed with as scholar and certainly not as the media lionizes the man.
When I see Dershowitz, I still see scumbag and mouth.
“…although the president has made no secret of his distaste for the prime minister of Israel…”
What do you mean, “although”? Doesn’t Dershowitz share that distaste?
Bravo Roger. You have hit perfectly on the nature of Alan’s weakness. I know him, have communicated with him on verious issues, and as you remember,he gave a terrific talk at the anti-Durban conference in NYC that we both attended.
He is right that support for Israel should be bi-partisan. He is a liberal Democrat, and I never expected him to endorse Romney, but to actively campaign for him is another thing. I was hoping he would remain neutral.
What strikes me is that he has the same reason for endorsing Obama as Ed Koch; both had a private meeting with the President and that in and of itself has seemed to have the effect it was meant to have.
Obama knows well that to be invited for a private chat at the Oval Office can work to sway anyone who is thinking what he should do. It worked with both Koch and Dershowitz.
At least Marty Peretz is not voting for him and unlike 2008, will not be campaigning for Obama in Florida either.
So shame on Alan Dershowit and Ed Koch for giving up critical thinking when it is most needed.
It’s definitely a mixed bag with Prof Dershowitz- he has moments of greatness (such as his call earlier this year, if i recall correctly the Obama administration to abandon the israel-haters at Media Matters) but his rigid progressivism always seems to win out. It’s a shame, really.
Alan Dershowitz is affected by cognitive dissonance when it comes to Obama. His lips “pucker” and he bends over for the Socialist-Progressive Marxist in Chief. Why? Because Dershowitz is a secular Jew and more important, a DemocRAT!
Look at the reasons Dershowitz gave:
“…the first important healthcare legislation in recent history, appointed excellent justices to the Supreme Court, supported women’s rights, eliminated the “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy, maintained the wall of separation between church and state,….”
The vast majority of Jews are economic and social leftists. Always have been, going back to their days in Europe. Jewish women care more about abortion rights than about Israel.
So Dershowitz speaks for them when he says that he’ll back any liberal Democrat who says and does minimally acceptable things about Israel.
Why? Lawyer. Someone’s paying him to be a schmuck.
Dershowitz =s useful idiot, law degree or not.
So why did Dershowitz publish this op-ed? Why is the august professor suddenly acting like a political hack, a kind of low-rent Ivy League Deborah Wasserman-Schultz…
The answer to this question is another question: why anyone would feel awe and inspiration for the Ivy League? We’ve been watching a procession of Ivy League Morons going through Washington for decades now, and the results are telling, one major sustained policy failure after another, with lost freedoms and on a clear course to socialism and financial ruin.
As for Dershowitz’s apparent confusion, the more one’s world view is predicated on false assumptions, the faster he must triangulate to keep making sense of things. The only admirable thing about the Professor is that he’s just half half-assed, where Wasserman-Schultz is all-in.
The Jews have failed us, and they’re deep into the process of failing Israel. They invented socialism with good intentions; they’re scuttling freedom and opportunity with confused ones. Every thinking Jew in Israel should emigrate to North America or Down Under now so as to buy time for their children and grandchildren before poverty and Sharia finally envelopes us, too.
Methinks you are shoveling it directly on the keyboard.
Then you should think harder. Think about Karl Marx, whose father was a successful manufacturer who got rich adding value. Rebelling against dad, Karl wrote Das Kapital, which claimed capitalists got rich at the expense of factory workers. Trouble is, the economic records kept by the English at the time showed that the workers got richer as people like Karl’s dad prospered. Exposed as a fraud, Karl had no worries, for he had let the genie out of the bag: other people’s money, which has been a smash hit ever since.
Like it or not, Jewish intellectuals bring credibility to a subject. And moronic behavior by people like Dershowitz engenders national self-destruction with their confusion. Add Friedman, Krugman and many others to that list. In the face of logic and evidence, they are triangulating us to poverty and lawlessness. But they’ll be ok; look for even tighter security around the the bustling dumbass centers in Cambridge MA and Princeton NJ.
Where the exposure of Karl as a fraud didn’t work in the mid-19th century, the collapse of Western Civilization in the years ahead just might finally wake people up, even Jews, with the guiding principles of freedom finally drowining out the fatal attraction to other people’s money: property rights, personal responsibility and acknowledgement of human nature.
What you face, Menachem Ben, however much you prefer to pretend to yourself it isn’t there, is what the Iron Lady said a few decades ago: The trouble with socialists is that, sooner or later, they always run out of other people’s money.
This and the above: exceptional posts.
A democrat mouthpiece puts out a screed in support of the Democrats. Film at 11.
Obviously, O has been more of a disaster for the US than for Israel. This fact should be stated more clearly even if the article is about one country at risk over O’s failed foreign policy. Four more years of this execrable president and many at risk countries can kiss their derrieres goodbye.
What is it that allows perfectly intelligent people to cast a vote for ideological reasons? Does Dershowitz not see O’s failures? Do leftists have this much animus for conservatives and Republicans? If they do the solution can only be found in psychiatric treatment.
Never underestimate the power of the MSM to manipulate public opinion. All the distortions they have been hammering about the right over the course of so many years has paid off for them & their agendas. Thank goodness for the new media, but it’s still pretty dwarfed by the majority of leftist media outlets (so aptly described by cfbleachers as the Propaganda & Lies Ministry) & the leftist domination of our education system from K-12 & beyond. I really don’t know what it’s going to take (if anything at all) to shake their influence.
I get angry when I read the self-righteous, anti-semitic comments on this blog. Some come from frustrated conservative Jews like myself. Others come from non-Jews who have no conception of the traumatic history and brilliant success of the Jewish people in spite of that trauma. And Jews haev achieved not withstanding the envy and viciousness of these non-Jews who presume to sit in judgement.
Polls show that there has been a 22% drop in support among Jewish voters in New York in one month, June 2012. This is an astounding demonstration that people are waking up.
Unfortunately the anti-semitism on display here is the very thing that drives Jews (and Blacks) back to the Democrat party which warns them that Republicans will never understand their struggles and that the Republican Party represents bigotry and exclusion.
It is the job of conservatives to convert more voters to our point of view-not just to vent our frustration. As a completed Jew I recall that Christ converted people with love and healing not bigotry and contempt.
Do not blame the bloggers here of Jew bashing. A few from time to time, but for the most part they are even minded people.
American Jews have been played for fools by the deomocrats and they speak the truth about this.
There has been plenty of ‘evidence’ for the Jews to wake up long before .. but they didn’t. It serves them right to hear some honest talk. Take it on the chin, like the rest of us have to.
The American Jews have not listened to their Lord. If they had, they would not be investing their efforts into what does not please Him.
“completed JEW” who believes in Jesus- PU–LEEZE lady you’re comment is the more distasteful to real JEWS than anything I ever read here- at least the neo nazis and jewhaters are honest. You are more condescending and completely antiJewish.
Messianics are NOT JEWS!!!! they are evangelical Christ worshipers.
Appropos.
How is that big warm embrace of Jews working out for you Elle? Feeling the love, yet?
May I suggest Michael Medved’s article…
Why are Jews liberals?
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/why-are-jews-liberals%e2%80%94a-symposium/
excerpt…
For many Americans, the last remaining scrap of Jewish distinctiveness involves our denial of New Testament claims, so any support for those claims becomes a threat to the very essence of our Jewish identity. Many Jews therefore view enthusiastic Christian believers—no matter how reliably they support Israel and American Jews—as enemies by definition.
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My comment above wasnt Anti-Semitic, but rather merely putting words to reality.
It isnt Christians who drive Jews away from the Conservative Parties in Christiman Majority country….but rather Jewish hostility which drive them to the party that hates Cosnervative Christian governance.
What you are doing is similar to blaming the Israelis for a lack of peace and progress in the peace process. If only they wouldnt do things that make the Palestinians hate and fear them, then peace would emerge….instead of placing the blame where it lies, in the Palestinians rejection of peace (and Jews).
But alas…
Haters gonna hate.
That should be…
…the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims rejection of a Jewish state (aka Jewish governance)…
Get a grip, buddy. Christ was a Jew. The first Christians were Jews. Elle saying she’s a “completed Jew” is correct and biblical. Get off your soapbox and stop acting like a narrow minded bigot.
Jesus was indeed born a Jew however those that created a religion based upon him have left much of what makes Judaism sacred behind. Many of the core concepts of Christianity are antithetical to Judaism. The splitting of G-d into three parts and the concept that faith alone is all that is required for redemption are two that are most obvious.
The concept of being a ” completed Jew ” because of Christ worship is indeed bigoted. It implies that Jews are somehow lacking or incomplete because we reject a false messiah.
For Jews the very idea that ” He died for our sins ” is ridiculous based upon the historical record. In fact it is we who have been doing the dying for his sins for the last 1500 years.
So….if you believe Jesus to be the Messiah, then by definition, you are a bigot.
Thanks for the lesson Ben Yakov. It so wonderfully demonstrates my commentary above concerning Jewish hostility to Christianity and Christians.
Who would vote for a bunch of Anti-Semitic Christians who believe Yeshua to be the Messiah…for governance? Jews will never vote for the GOP in large numbers….it will always be landslides for Leftist parties hostile to Christianity.
EV, No Jew believes Jesus is messiah. If they do they have abandoned Judaism. I think it fascinating that you are so worried about Jewish hostility towards Christians. But only clinically, not as a matter for discussion.
Messianic Jews arent “real Jews.”
You keep proving the point, as well you should, as this is the majority opinion of Jews.
Interestingly enough, Messianic Jews that believe others to be the Messiah, such as Chabad, dont receive anywhere near the hostility that those believing Jesus to be the Messiah do.
I think it is important for European Christians to understand that Jews are hostile to them politically….and to get to the point where saying the easily deduced truth in public will not get you shunned and ostracized from polite society.
” I think it is important for European Christians to understand that Jews are hostile to them politically… ”
We are not although we have every right to be.
And as far as Chabad goes, some do indeed consider the former Rebbe as the Messiah though most do not. One of the reasons Jesus is rejected is because of the enormous harm he has brought to the Jewish people. The Rebbe did no such thing.
great comments but i think #1 nails it right on the head
as long as Jews and Catholics continue voting Dem by large majorities, they get no sympathy from me. It is one thing when lambs are led to slaughter; it is quite another when they hire the vehicle that transports them there.
Could there be a defective gene in the American Jewish DNA that gives them such self loathing and the continual predisposition to throw Israel to the wolves time and again? Is there something in Jewish history that they didn’t get?
will there ever be a time when Christians do not collectively punish all JEWS for the sins of some JEWS?
so let’s review- the woman, like Ann Coutler says I am not perfected b/c I reject Jesus as God or Messiah? then has the audacity to define herself as a JEW??
It is obvious tome why more JEWS don’t come over to your side- or trust you Christians and why you Messianics Jewish imitators are unwelcome in Israel
http://jewsforjudaism.org/
Why Dershowitz dances to the obama’s tune?
Why have Jews established an organization “American Jews for Obama” (or “Jewish Americans for Obama”, in a doomed-to-failure attempt to emphasize that they are Americans first, what a B.S.!)?
Why is the overwhelming majority of Jews gravitating to Socialism?
Why did the overwhelming majority of Jews vote for obama?
Why is the overwhelming majority of Jews going to vote for obama again?
Why the most radical and most influential individuals are Jews – Axelrod, Emanuel, Sunstein, Wassermann, Boxer, Feinstein, Feingold, Somers, Bernanke, Piven, Ayers, Alinsky, Chomsky, Soros, and thousands of the likes, and why all of them want to convert America into a Socialist state?
Why the top leaders of the Bolshevik Coup d’Etat 1917 and on all levels further were Jews (besides half-Jew Lenin) – Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Sverdlov, Unschlicht, Belenki, Kaganovich, and countless other Commie thugs?
Many, many Whys, almost no HONEST answers…
Ayn Rand – Liberty vs Socialism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1RxKW-P5V8
He’s a lawyer. At least he’s not pretending to be a social scientist, a discipline that can observe the same individual phenomena (suspect) and, depending on whether paid by the prosecution or the defense, the two psychologists will invariably come to entirely different conclusions about what they observed was intrinsic (sane or insane) to that phenomena (suspect).
In other words, you say that both lawyers and social scientists, on one hand, and honesty, on the other hand, are notions completely incompatible…
How right you are!
Everything is always and everywhere about religion.
Obama is the first anti-American president. Obama is an anti-Semite(see the company he keeps). Dershowitz is an attorney and is for sale, and sometimes he
is just a schmuck.
Deneen Borelli moved thousands with a brilliant speech at FreePAC in Dallas on Thursday night. Deneen was among many speakers at the Freedom Works event, hosted by Matt Kibbe, and drawing 15,000 people. Ms. Borelli is the author of Blacklash: How Obama and the Left are Driving Americans to the Government Plantation, and the Director of Outreach with FreedomWorks. The event, barely registered in the mainstream media, but the Freedom Works crowd is used to that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwFC2Iusfo&feature=player_embedded
Deneen is all that, and goood looking too! Seems to be a trend with women of conservative inspiration.
@PTL:
“Obama is an anti-Semite(see the company he keeps)” you said.
I followed your advice (long time ago, though) and found the following:
Ben Bernanke, Carol Browner, Cass Sunstein, David Axelrod, Debbie Wassermann, Donald Kohn, Douglas Shulman, Elena Kagan, Ellen Moran, Eric Lander, Ezekiel Emanuel, Gary Genster, Jacob Lew, James Steinberg, Jon Leibowitz, Julius Genachowski, Karen Mills, Ken Feinberg, Larry Summers, Lloyd Blankfein, Margaret Hambutg, Mary Shapiro, Mona Sutphen, Peter Orszag, Rahm Emanuel, Richard Haas, Richard Holbrooke, Ron Klain, Sheila Bair, Steven Ratner, Susan Sher, Thomas Frieden, Todd Stern…
I am exhausted, but I could keep enumerating.
All those individuals are from a direct milieu of the Disaster-in-Chief.
If they are not Jews, then I don’t know what the word “Jew” means.
do not equal all Jews
It appears now that for American Jews to be pro Israel (Zionist) is anti-American (position adopted by the Am. Jewish Federation), to undermine Israel is to be pro-American. The JF far left position and their manipulation of the American Jewish masses will turn against the leadership of the JF.
It is perfectly acceptable to be pro American and pro Israel. Two western democracies sharing the same values can and should support each other. There is no situation where 2 western democracies would reach a position of unsolvable antagonism. The far left like Russian communism was fundamentally antisemitic. The American far left has replaced the old fashion and original USSR communism ideology. They are manipulating and controlling the democrats who do not even realize it.
It is hard to know but fun to speculate. I suspect that Dershowitz, the lawyer, the intellectual, the loyal democrat, will never admit to anyone, perhaps even to himself, that it was even remotely possible that he might have made the wrong choice in 2008. Even less is the probability that he’d admit that he, a well known attorney of repute, was duped by a fawning press and the fortress they built protecting almost anything of significance to be revealed about his still shadowy past; a fortress that remains defended and intact.
@Steven L.:
“The far left like Russian communism was fundamentally antisemitic,” you said.
Nothing can be farther from the truth.
Russian communism WAS ESTABLISHED mostly by Jews: the top leaders of the Bolshevik Coup d’Etat 1917 and on all levels of the so-called “ruling vertical” were mostly Jews.
The very ideology of Communism was invented by Jews Marx and his friend-advisor Moses Hess.
Really antisemitic were in the USSR only a few years before the Stalin’s death (1949-1953), when he unleashed an “anti-Cosmopolitan campaign” (including the infamous “Doctors’ case”.)
Even the murder of Mikhoels earlier, in 1948, was organized under a direct Stalin’s order by reasons unrelated to antisemitism. One of reasons was probably a letter Mikhoels with Feffer and Epstein wrote to Stalin in 1944, asking to establish a Jewish Autonomy in Crimea peninsula (Stalin had already established a Jewish Autonomy in Amur Region of Siberia in 1934).
Except for a few years when Brezhnev didn’t want to support the Jewish “brain drain”, Jews did not suffer any special antisemitic pressure from the State.
Jews were dominating and flourishing in music, poetry, writing, sculpture, photography, sciences, and so forth and so on. (if you want particular names, just ask me; there are thousands of outstanding, brilliant names.)
Fairy tales about Soviet antisemitism are very convenient and touchy, but are not supported by facts.
I as a Jew felt perfectly fine among my colleagues, who – surprise, surprise! – were also mostly Jews.
If you want to speak and/or discuss issues honestly, you have to throw away fairy tales and operate with FACTS.
I have to add to myself that Stalin not only helped, but was the decisive engine of establishing of the State of Israel.
It’s another matter that even in that process he managed to insert and hide a “time bomb”. But that “time bomb” was aimed at the “Western Capitalism” rather than against the Jewish state per se.
And – surprise, surprise! – he achieved his evil goal: the West is suffering huge problems caused by that “time bomb” – rabid Islamist fundamentalism opposing to the Jewish State on the land where Arabs settled after Jews were expelled by Romans.
Dershowitz, is irrelevant and should never be looked to by men of reason or common sense to supportr the cause of liberty here or abroad.
@Constantine:
I have to add to myself that Stalin not only helped, but was the decisive engine of establishing of the State of Israel.
It’s another matter that even in that process he managed to insert and hide a “time bomb”. But that “time bomb” was aimed at the “Western Capitalism” rather than against the Jewish state per se.
And – surprise, surprise! – he achieved his evil goal: the West is suffering huge problems caused by that “time bomb” – rabid Islamist fundamentalism opposing to the Jewish State on the land where Arabs settled after Jews were expelled by Romans.
“Meanwhile, serious questions about Obama’s real beliefs about the Middle East remain.”
By his 20 year attendance in Jeromy Wright’s so-called church, by his saying “The Arabic Call to Prayer is the most beautiful sound on Earth”, by his celebrating Ramadan in the White House, by his 2009 speech in Cairo praising Islam, by his call to go back to the pre 1967 war borders, by his giving the Muslim Brotherhood and their auxiliaries entrance to the White House, the State Department and even the military, by his deep bowing to the Saudi King – By each of these things Obama’s calling is plainly revealed. That all united should fail to enlighten the competent inquirer is almost inconceivable.
“I think that from my point of view as defense minister they are extremely good, extremely deep and profound. I can see long years, um, administrations of both sides of political aisle deeply supporting the state of Israeli and I believe that reflects a profound feeling among the American people,” said Barak. “But I should tell you honestly that this administration under President Obama is doing in regard to our security more than anything that I can remember in the past.”
-Ehud Barak (Israeli Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defense)
Really, what more is there to say.
“Really, what more is there to say.”
That a lie is still a lie no matter who tells it.
There is nothing as dumb as a liberal Jew. Truth from a member of the tribe.
Although he lacks the most basic of common sense, Dershowitz is very intelligent and thus is able to deceive himself much more than is a more ordinary man.
It’s hard not to agree.
I’m telling you this as also a living fossil, a Conservative Jew.
Mohammedan morals consist in prostrate like bowing 5 times a day in the general direction of some black stone in Mecca that is suppose to have fallen down from their moon-god, Allah, and attending mosque regularly at the appointed weekly time, and in breaking the ten commandments all the balance of the week. It comes natural to them to lie and cheat and kill and enslave in the first place, and then they go on and improve on that nature until they arrive at perfection. I never did dislike anyone as much as those Muslims and especially the Arabs, and most especially the so called “Palestinians”, and when Israel is pushed to war with them again, I hope America and England and France and Russia will not find it good breeding nor good judgment to interfere.
Dershowitz is in denial. He still thinks the groups he marched with , protested with and supported are his friends and allies. He still believes that as he has come to their communities’ defenses, they will in turn come to the defense of his. This is a delusion of much of offical left wing Jewry.They need to accept that the balck-Jewish coalition of the late sixties is dead, the Jewish-Queer alliance is dead, the Jewish-socialist alliance is dead and it wasn’t the Jews who killed these alliances. As soon as Jewish money, prestige and influence were no longer needed, they were discarded along with the Jews. It is possible that Dersh is trying to position himself as ” the man who brought the Jewish vote back to the Dems”.If so he is deluded.
Whatever else you want to say about him if you had to pick someone to represent Jewish interests within the Democratic party you could do worse than Alan Dershowitz. He is rock solid on fighting antisemitism and sticking up for Israel.
I’m afraid the answer is yes, Dersh does value his access to the top so much it blinds him. To be fair, this has been a core weakness of American Jewish leaders – if not American Jews in general – since at least the 1940s and is not limited to the Democratic Party, either.
Maybe it’s a Harvard thing, Roger, unfathomable to a Dartmouth man.
I still have a bad taste in my mouth from Dershowitz’s radio show that aired the night Simpson was acquitted. The entire Dream Team was heard from as they took rhetorical victory laps giddy with self-congratulatory hubris. It was revolting.
Dershowitz and I agree fairly often on specific points of law. He pointed out once that most defense lawyers’ clients are guilty of the crime(s) for which they’ve been indicted and isn’t that after all the way we want it. Of course it is. No one wants prosecutors indicting people for crimes they didn’t commit. Where we part company is how we view the defense attorney’s job. His job, as I see it, is to advocate on behalf of the client by protecting his constitutional and legal rights and making the state prove its case (which can entail any number of strategies). Dersh seems to think his job is to get the client off at any cost. So, I should be grateful that mostly only guilty people are indicted and also grateful that their attorneys will play whatever dirty tricks it takes to get them off? I don’t think so.
Dershowitz and I most often stand together on the same side of the Great Divide on issues like Israel and terrorism as he’s a hawk on both (he even supports “advanced interrogation techniques” when deemed necessary). But like most American Jews, he is loathe to abandon the progressive notion of “social justice.” So he credits Obama for doing the kinds of things almost any American president would do (stealth fighters, joint military exercises, intelligence sharing) and glosses over the fact that absolutely nothing of substance has been accomplished on the Israel/Palestine and Iran fronts during Obama’s tenure. I would be astounded, actually, if he did otherwise.
Love the part where Obama looks Dershowitz directly in the eye and tells him, “I don’t bluff.” Where have we heard this before? Oh, I remember. It was when he warned Eric Cantor, “Don’t call my bluff,” which, of course, signaled that he indeed was bluffing which turned out to be the case. The man is not a poker player and I would guess you can pretty much call his bluffs all night.
It sort of looks like Dershowitz is to Liberalism what moderate Muslims are to Islam. They say the right things. They say they are against the most vile things their leaders support, but, when it comes time to take a stand they stand with those who are for everything they just claimed to be against.
Unfortunately, at his core, Dershowitz is a Democrat first, whatever that is at any given time, and a Jew some where down the list of priorities.
Roger L Simon gets paid to write articles trashing Obama, and Dershowitz does not get paid to write positive op-eds about Obama. I wonder whom has the motivation to distort the truth.
Simon’s article does not deal with Dershowitz’s praise of Obama’s policy towards Isreal. Why did Ehud Praise Obama, if Obama is bad for Isreal and Romney is good. Why is it that disagreeing with Israel’s current policy on settlements makes someone anti anti semitic?
Because Obama’s policy, at the moment, towards Israel is a feint and not sincere.
Because Ehud is a skunk.
dumbbell dershowitz claims to support Israel, and yet flacks for nobama along with debbie blabbermouth wasserman-schultz??? What a pathetic, vile, jerk; an absolutely fake, phony, LYING,left-wing extremist, HYPOCTITE fraud, PERIOD!!
simultaneously say and do one thing and its opposite so often? Post traumatic shock syndrome, that’s why.
It is not uncommon in the Jewish community to have liberals that will not budge on “social justice” issues, but are adamant in the defense of Israel. Dershowitz is a case in point. I believe change in Jewish attitudes to liberalism are changing and will change. Just keep making the conservative case.
This is the same Alan Dershowitz who says he’s both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian. Most Israelis want to live in peace with the Palestinians. The vast majority of Palestinians want victory over Israel. Israel wants what is good for Jews and Palestinians. The Palestinians want what is evil for Israeli Jews. How can you be for the good of Israelis and Palestinians living in peace and for the evil of Palestinians wanting to militarily conquer Israeli Jews and either exterminate them or subordinate them as an oppressed class in a Palestinian Arab state?
Moreover, he who is pro-Israel and pro-Obama is, at best, a weak and inconsistent friend of Israel. And that describes Alan Dershowitz.
There is something here that does not quite add up. And, as you point out, that is not without precedent.
I would be inclined to examine his influence and what it achieves at the end of the day.
It might be informative.