The Coming, and Why the Left Doesn’t Understand Iran
“Greetings to Mahdi, the one who all beings on Earth and In Heaven love without end.”
About two weeks ago, when Reza Khalili first emailed me a video of the new Iranian-produced documentary – The Coming Is Near — I knew I was witnessing something extraordinary. (Reza was preparing a translation at the time, which is available as of today on PJ Media.)
The message of the short film was clear: The current crisis in the Middle East (Egypt, Bahrain, Libya, now Syria… all of it) is a harbinger that the Mahdi (the hidden one, the Twelfth Imam) was coming soon and that, in the ensuing chaos and destruction, Khomeini’s version of Shia Islam would shortly rule over the entire globe.
It seemed like an Iranian version of The Triumph of the Will. Although not remotely as artful as Leni Riefenstahl’s film, The Coming was in many ways as blood-curdling, perhaps more so for its corny time-lapse photography of flowers opening and oddly stiff narration. I thought it should get as wide a dispersion as possible.
And yet simultaneously I thought that was useless. The people who would most need to see this video — our liberal/left intelligentsia — either would not watch it or dismiss it as “mere propaganda” and of little significance.
Propaganda it indeed is, but propaganda of a very special sort because its makers truly believe their own ideology. Perhaps, I shouldn’t use the word ideology. They believe their own religion, for religion is the more proper term in this instance, all the pronouncements in the film being of an essentially theological nature, and thus incontrovertible by logic, such as the following from Imam Bagher: “The messiah will not rise unless fear, great earthquakes, and sedition take place.” (Ah, Japan…)
Mr Kahlili has been nothing less than eyes and ears for us here in the west which have no access to what is going on inside that totalitarian dictatorship mullah regime based on such horrific ideology.. May god let his words and work get to the right people responsible and know their duty in how to defend humanity against these savages terrorizing their own citizens especially their women.
Blessings and may freedom find it’s way to Iran this New Persian Norouz
Please give it a rest with this mumbo jumbo. I am sat in Tehran right now writing this, I have just been to the store downstairs to buy some Coca Cola, Lays Chips, to eat with my Persian garlic yogurt. My point being is having lived here even walking past the police on the day of riots shows me one thing. Iran is pretty normal. In fact it has become so normal it doesn’t feel foreign full of axe wielding mullahs anymore. The complexity of propaganda is this, they make themselves look mad on purpose to dissuade you from the real agenda, regional reshuffle to stop the Sunni wahabi nut jobs in Saudi and Libya.
Ah, welcome, Iranian intelligence. You are so clever to post here on the very first comment. Not to be lost, wise fellow. On the other hand, not so clever to point the finger so quickly at your Sunni enemies. You give yourself away.
Yeah I caught that final lapse which gave the game away; otherwise a good attempt. In the last sentence, the English broke down; non-Anglophones have problems with the use of definate and indefinate articles. But, as an anglophone, try Portuguese. Boy, they get obsessed with them!
But I digress. These people really do believe their own stuff, and they place themselves as the leading characters in a cataclism. Is the purpose of this movie to prepare the Iranian people for a test of a Nuke?
I know, I felt exactly this when the ”Left Behind” series became popular.
The difference, of course, is that ”The Coming is Near” is being shoved down people’s throats, while U.S. harbinger of the apocalypse succeeded on its own.
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I would have imagined the biggest difference being that “Left Behind” focused on what the faithful could do to be individually righteous in the face of evil while “The Coming” focuses on how the faithful can speed the coming of the righteous through death, destruction, and violence.
This is complete insanity. Everything in the Muslim world is inverted — evil is good, slavery is freedom, etc. What will end this mass brainwashing?
This historic interview on Israel National Radio is an eye opener on the ANCIENT roots of Islam aka Baal Worship. These ARE the original Pagans. http://www.marcrubin.com/judean-eve.ivnu
Roger – I have news for you. The bloggers you’ve been following in the ME never were players. The naive junk Michael J. Totten retails here at PJM about Cedar and Jasmine Revolutions is bunk. Those insurrections were jokes. Democracy cannot grow where Islam is ascendant, and Islam is ascendent across the entire arc of Islam. It is also metastasizing in the West.
Those nations responsible for Global Jihad have remained virtually untouched since 9/11. They are primarily located around the Arabian Sea – and the top financier of Global Jihad is Saudi Arabia, followed by the UAE, Qattar, and Kuwait. All of these cesspools of evil have remained inviolate under Bush2 and Obama since 9/11, despite the deep penetrating roots of Al Qaeda across Arabdom.
We must cut off Muslim access to our staggering wealth. We must ruthlessly exploit the natural social and religious fissures which are rife in the Muslim world. Rather than squandering our lives and treasure in attempting to stabilize their region, we should be strangling them of cash, and forcing them to channel their hatred towards other Muslims rather than us. If they use oil as a weapon, the weapon must be taken from them. If they spread sedition and Jiaphad in their mosques, those mosques must be destroyed. World peace or stable oil are impossible fantasies as long as Muslims dominate the resource of oil, and are allowed to use the wealth oil generates to bribe our betrayers, to breed their armies, and to finance Jihad.
The turmoil in the region, and the myriad and growing dangers spreading in the world are a direct and predictable result of money + Islam. And the fact that millions of Muslims now reside in the West makes Islam a threat like no other we have ever faced before.
Roger – you seem to finally be waking up to the mortal danger we are facing. Good. Islam and it’s deadly threat is the thrust of virtually every comment I make at this site – and I thank you for the opportunity. But is isn’t propaganda films which should worry you, but the weapons Muslims possess and wield; first and foremost, their hatred of all things non-Muslim; over a billion seething adherents, and a vast army of millions lodged firmly on our soil; thousands of terror recruitment and indoctrination centers operating openly and freely, a.k.a. mosques; and unlimited funds to buy off our academics, our businesses, our media, our politicians, and even Democratic and Republican presidents. Add to these formidable horrors the stinger missiles, the I.E.D.s, mustard gas, strontium 90, anthrax, and nukes and you’re cooking with gas. It all combines to make Islam more lethal than any foe we have ever faced. Those things should have you trembling, but your tremors should have begun long before you watched that chilling film… My own started soon after 9/11 and have only gotten worse.
Morton, excellent analysis.
As a matter of fact,if one couples your prescription to eradicate the Islamic cancer in our midst, with that of Professor Louis Beres’s, Project Daniel, the world will no longer be held hostage to the totalitarian Muslim regimes.
The left can pussyfoot all they want around this life and death struggle, but at the end of the struggle only one side will be left standing.
Who do the readers want to win?It is almost zero hour….
I couldn’t agree more with your comment.
From an earlier post.
Continue to pay me for my evil ways and I can assure you that my evil ways will continue. Oil. Cold hard steel at your throat and no food tends to alter ones priorities and evil ways. Feeding your enemy while he continues to kill your sons and daughters seems to make a lot of sense to a lot of people, not to me. When your enemy doesn’t value his own life how do you expect him to value yours? Allah Acbar to all you incredibly stupid, naïve and gullible bastards in this world, keep payin and dyin, the U.N. loves you.
Morton Doodslag…
Thank you for mincing no words.
The very facts you mention here are why I’ve been preaching the need for America to practice our experienced knowledge of wide area containment and proceed to quarantine/contain all areas known to be suppliers and trainers of Islamic terrorists. …just those same methods which were successful against the Soviets.
Mosques and all such “Community Centers” and madrassas within our borders should be considered subversive elements of the Islamist Fifth Column.
We should develop our own oil resources and slowly wean ourselves from Saudi Arabia. That will be a years long process, of course, but Islamists/Muslims are just as much in need of our cash as we have become accustomed to their oil. They have reserves of our cash. We have untapped reserves of our own oil presently inaccessible because of our own domestic political follies.
The tough part, of course, is making this reality known to and accepted by all of the strident, dis-informed factions in our nation which have been already so successfully infiltrated by Islamic/Muslim sleepers.
I don’t think he was referring to the Tottenkampf and his Trollenkinder Trio who gang up on you if you say the sun rises in the East and criticize you for human sacrifice cuz you said ‘sun’.
I hope this doesn’t have anything to do with why we are moving our aircraft carrier battle groups into the Straight of Hormuz.
strait…
No one in Iran takes a blind’s notice of what the Ayatollahs get up to. Ironically, it is the folks outside who dwell on these matters. Just ignore them. Whipping up news aout the Ayatollahs, helps those who make money selling weapons to people who are scared of Ayatollahs. If you want to help Iranians, spread news about the Noruz culture that has united Iran, and defeated the Ayatollahs, peacefully. But that sort of news does not sell weapons and so you don’t talk about it.
You should preach the sins of weapon-selling to the Russians and Chinese. At least where it concerns Iran. Unless the Iranian government is still using weapons from the days of the Shah, which I doubt.
In fact most of the culprits are not part of governments. But yes there is no denying the number Chinese barter deals going on. And yet the US authorities carry on dealing with China, because they have to.
“defeated the Ayatollahs”
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Well in case you did not know, all Iranians, as well as ten other countries; amounting 200 million people, celebrated Noruz at exactly 23:21 GMT on 20/3/11. The Ayatollahs have always wanted to ban this. They failed, and now have actually submitted to the will of the people. But the media did not report it, because it was peaceful. The last thing they want is a peaceful Iran. They want a ficticious menace for military sales to scared nations.
Actually I lie. The media reported the Ayatollahs’ way of showing gratitude to Noruz, which leaves a lot to be desired.
HEY ALI:
Care to respond to Rancher’s very valid question of your quote? In case you don’t remember, you said, QUOTE
“If you want to help Iranians, spread news about the Noruz culture that has united Iran, AND DEFEATED THE AYATOLLAHS, PEACEFULLY.”
Perhaps you were going for a laugh.
“But many, at the highest reaches of their government, believe that their Mahdi is coming, as this film indicates. Under those circumstances, they would not fear nuclear holocaust. They might even welcome it.”
Many, many, people have been saying this for years. Even Glenn Beck had several shows saying the same thing, and all he got for his troubles was being called “apocalyptic” by the New York Times. What liberals and people at the New York Times (well, what really is the difference) don’t either get or are too afraid to acknowledge is that there are real people out there, people in power in a nation, that believe this nonsense. And those same people not only want to get a nuclear bomb to bring this about, but want to take the rest of the world down with them in order to make this happen.
Nobody believe Hitler when he came to power in the 1930s. Nobody believed the Turks when they wanted to slaughter the Armenians. Nobody believed that Pol Pot could actually do what he wanted to do to his own people. And nobody believed that men like Stalin or Mao could kill so many people in order to pursue their own psychotic political goals. Isn’t it about time we start believing religious or political fanatics when they honestly say they’re going to do something that will kill millions of people?
View from one Christian who tries to walk the walk:
This is ironic. Atheists have battled deism in the West ever since the Communist Party USA, funded by Moscow, formed the ACLU. In Europe, the parallel is true. They have outlawed Christianity in the public square, including our schools. Much of Europe is now atheistic, along with many pseudo-academics in the U.S. The results are all around, including the loss of common codes of morality, the breakup of the home, widespread drug abuse, child pornography, and corruption at all levels of government.
Now along comes a religion with its roots in Judaism and Christianity which refuses to go lightly into oblivion. Its adherents look at our TV shows and movies and are appalled, like any American of 50 years ago would have been. Just as the atheists thought they had won the hearts and minds of Americans, along comes a large immigrant population of deists.
Gee, what’s an atheist to do?
You don’t need to be a deist to be a cultural supremacist or bigot. People use that as a smoke screen whenever they feel put out.
Look at the members of the KKK after the Civil War who felt the negro had been the cause of all their unfair loss of face and power – look at the Germans in the 30′s who scapegoated Jews for the same reasons but having to do with WW I which they felt they should have won. This was made worse by the allied blockade and collapse of the German economy which followed.
There is no doubt Islam feels the same way and this is bruited about by their religious leaders and intellectuals such as writers.
Just look at these excerpts from an article in Cairo’s Al Ahram Weekly’s last issue by Sajida Tasneem about the idea of accepting Western help in firming up Egypt’s emerging democracy that clearly shows a cultural ego which feels its self-esteem has been unfairly damaged:
“…the unleashing of the democratic process in Egypt has challenged just about every cultural and political stereotype prevalent in the West about Arab people and the Middle East. The “chaotic”, “irrational”, “weak” and “politically inept” people of the Orient, once deemed incapable of bringing “order” and considered “incompatible” with democracy, have now not only managed to topple a dictator and pave the way for crucial political and constitutional reforms, but just as significantly they have also managed to achieve this by themselves without the help of the charitable hand of the West.”
“…despite the fact that the Egyptian people are the legitimate agents and subjects of their struggle for justice, the mainstream neo-colonial political narrative in the West continues to propagate the belief that they need Western help in the transition to democracy.”
“…since the protests began on 25 January this year, we have witnessed numerous self-important calls by Western politicians, commentators and media alike as to what the West can do to “help” Egypt in its struggle for democracy.”
“Whilst it is nice of our former colonial masters to be thinking of the best interests of the natives when they say they now want to help Egypt, it is rather presumptuous, to say the least, to suppose that Egypt’s 83 million inhabitants are asking for Western help or interference in their struggle for justice, when clearly they are not. It is noteworthy that both during the uprising and during the activist struggles in the months and years leading up to it, Egyptian people did not come to the West beggar bowl in hand, kneeling at its feet and asking for democracy to be dished out to them.”
“Both Egypt and Tunisia have made it more apparent than ever that democracy does not have a western copyright, and nor are Western nations the protectors of democracy.”
My oh my, they are sensitive, sensitive, sensitive about help, help, help. It reminds me of a child that gets upset when you try and help it do something and it says, “NO, I can do it myself so let me”.
There is definitely some hostility here and it looks very familiar historically speaking. So, who they gonna scapegoat? Anyone in sight who’s not a muslims. This theme is prevalent among all immigrant groups coming to Europe and America and it is why we should keep them out. They have a chip on their shoulder which interests me not in the least and I don’t appreciate their coming to the U.S. and calling us the usual stuff: racists, Islamophobes, bigots, imperialists, colonialists – screw ‘em. Stay home.
Considering how much crap there is in those excerpts, it is to me, a case of “The lady doth protest too much”. In other words, the writer’s monumental doubts betrays tacit agreement with me that muslim immigrants coming to the West will make a hash out of things because they don’t have the will, nature or tradition to do anything but make a hash out of things as they have done in their own cultures for centuries. Egypt still may make a go of it but acting like they invented and are the protectors of democracy is just a little much.
I see a whole lot of chickens being counted there.
Still waiting for some to hatch.
I’m not expecting many to do so, and if any do, I’m not expecting any to live very long.
It seems as if the vast majority of people who live in Iran do not feel this way but I guess we’re talking about a pretty small group of people at the top who are genuinely ill in their minds; certainly a lot of the rhetoric emanating from Iran’s gov’t is that of people who are certifiable mental cases.
It is hard to believe that even a small group of religious fanatics could basically be suicidal when involving so many of their own people. Although Iran doesn’t yet have a true nuclear capability, do they have enough raw material to launch dirty radioactive war heads in missiles into Israel? Obviously they have the missile capability.
I’ve read about the 12th Imam and, although spirituality has never bothered me in general, dogma has and this is why. It makes people nuts and in very specific ways. It could be that some few of the most religious members of Iran’s regime see the writing on the wall and that the real reason behind this is that they feel their days in power are numbered given the reality of the uprisings across the middle east.
Maybe what they’re really saying is, it’s now or never. The more staunch adherents of Islam are simply nuts and that’s all there is to it. How nice they are pouring into the U.S. and organizing like ant farms. Our immigration policy is in its own way just as suicidal. Demographics are just as effective in taking over and wrecking a nation or area as are missiles. Ironically, it was a demographic taking over of parts of the British Mandate of Palestine by means of immigration whose result is now the most hateful target of Iran’s rhetoric and let’s all hope it stays just words.
Why do you find it hard to believe?
The world has seen plenty of examples of this kind of thing.
Be careful, May. Your Jew-hating bigotry is showing.
Yeah, I know; it shines like the lights on Broadway.
Let’s put the Juice aside for a moment….
You want mass suicidal committment for the sake of “religion”?
May I reccommend to you, Tokyo circa 1945.
What do you think would have happened if they had had the bomb in say May?
Morton;
I quite agree with most of your points. I disagree that we are past the “point of no return”. Islam extremism can still be stopped if we have the courage to act decisively. We have seen recent events where homegrown terrorist and their leaders have made attempts to take innocent American lives. Thankfully without success,,, so far. Thus, there is ample evidence that radicals are running active recruitment schemes here at home. This needs to be stopped dead in its tracks.
To accomplish this several things have to happen:
1.) The ACLU and other radical defenders of the Islamic loons must be disbanded and the lawyers disbarred. Civil Rights should not be extended to anyone plotting to do us harm.
2.) Immigration policy must be reviewed and revised to the point that US citizenship can and will be revoked at the first sign of trouble. If necessary whole families/clans/tribes are to deported to their home of origin whenever someone steps over the line.
3.) Justice must be swift and sure. Take, or attempt to take, an innocent American life and the punishment is a quick trip to the Executioner.
4.) We must adopt a hard line on “English Only”, this is the only path to assimilation. American should return to the “melting pot” ideal, not the “salad bowl” theory. No more multicultural BS, we are Americans and should not define ourselves with a hyphen.
5.) Foreign policy must be made more clear. We need to get our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, let those indigenous people fight it out among themselves. Let it be crystal clear that the US is open to honest free trade with friendly nations but an another attack like 9/11 will result in the total annihilation of terrorist’s culture, starting with Mecca. Ten megatons ought to do the trick.
6.) Other harsh words to follow…
If America can get its Energy policy sorted out we can easily get by without Saudi Arabia and the rest of the mid-east oil, as Morton says, shut down the cash pipeline, strangle the beast. We import most of our foreign oil from Canada and Mexico anyway, it’s Europe, India, Japan, and China that is so dependent on middle east oil, why not let them step up to the plate and deal with OPEC? I think most of America is sick of a riot, an uprising, or some idiot despot in Egypt or Libya being the source of driving the price of gasoline through the roof here at home. We need to get busy and “drill here, drill now”! Besides,,, we need the jobs.
“The Mahdi”, when he last putatively showed in a rag tag bunch in the Sudan, caused much trouble in the late 19th century. This time, with a whole country ready to donate its resources to the “coming” charlatan, how much more trouble can be expected? War, at least.
The Left is programmed to see every conflict as essentially all about wealth disparity. It’s sometimes a useful lens to view events through, but it’s not the only one. And it’s not the one that’s important in this conflict. So when they see radical islam, at home or abroad, they assume that it’s economic in nature. That the oil emirates are flush with wealth at all levels of society, or that the jihadists are often recruited from among the most wealthy, simply returns a “DOES NOT COMPUTE”.
The reaction is to double-down on their ideological blinders. Anyone who disagrees is called a bigot; ironically, this is only possible because the Left lumps moderate muslims together with the radicals. Re-read Woodrow Wilson’s “Little Brown Brothers” speech and you’ll see that there’s nothing new to this.
Side point: Quick, name one good foreign policy thinker on the Left. Still trying to think of one? The Left has Zbigniew Brzezinski, Thomas Friedman, and (until last week) Warren Christopher. None of these people would have been more than a bench-warmer if they’d been Republicans, but on the Left, they’re the superstars because that’s all they have. For all their domination of academia, they have a very small intellectual footprint in the field of diplomacy: some excellent technicians, but basically no strategists. Suddenly the shallowness and aimlessness of their approach makes more sense.
Well said, but for this:
I think you have something of a cart-and-horse problem here. In the first place, they do not have a “shallow and aimless approach”. They know exactly where they are going. But their apparent aimlessness is not due to their lack of intellectual firepower, their lack of intellectual firepower is directly due to their ideology.
Because their reaction to facts at odds with their ideology is to “double down on their blinders” they cannot achieve anything resembling good thinkers.
Roger, a correction is in order: Seventh Day Adventists don’t go door to door flogging for donations. It’s Jehova’s Witnesses and Mormons, both of which hold apocalyptic “end-times” views (as do Adventists), who go door to door, and they’re not flogging for donations. They are proselytizing.
A needed correction!
The only religious group in America that I can recall going door to door for money is the Moonies. The Hare Krisnas used to do so in public places, but I don’t recall them ever going door to door.
jb, I’m afraid I cannot share your optimism. Most of the steps you listed will never see the light of day, at least not in our lifetime.
I understand the feelings of many of the commenters above and often agree with the sentiments but not necessarily the tactics. I would like to make a few comments concerning some of the topics raised above.
1. Eschatolologically obsessed religious sects (and Khomeini influenced Shia is a sect, and not necessarily a majority one) do not create wars, but they do make for a hair trigger. Also it only takes one to create a war, and we must recognize that our concepts of rational self interest may not apply to much of the leadership in Iran.
2. While on can blather on about Persian or Islamic culture (and there is such a thing), the issue in war and peace is based on who “holds the levers of power” (translation – has the guns and controls the missiles). Do not underestimate the profound ignorance, parochialism and misinformation held by much of the ruling elite in Tehran. The last time a serious fight (Iran / Iraq), Iran was forced to give up, That lesson was about 30 years ago, and has been forgotten by the younger leaders. Their recent “great victories” by proxy in Lebanon is not a good sign: it was neither a victory or great, but give them room to believe their own rhetoric.
3. Given the above, we must presume there is a strong likelihood of war (and not of the Kinetic Military action kind). It only takes a mistake, or a miscalculation, to set of such a volitile mix of ambition, fear and delusion.
4. Iran shows the appearance of power – even 10-20 militarized Nukes does not make a super power. The only way to destroy it is with the reality of power, demonstrated quickly, violently and with utter disregard for the horror that will be unleashed. While the current rube in the White House will not have the stomach for this, situations develop out of any one leader’s control (see Libya).
5. Democracy is not the issue in the Middle East – the issue is limited government. Classical criticisms of pure democracy centered on the way a rabble could be swayed and led easily into foreign and domestic war, oppression, etc. The American response to this was to create a divided and limited government. It is the concept of limited government that is utterly alien to the Middle East: elections and plebiscites will not cure any polity based on the idea of an Umma or pure people of the faith and a 1600 year history of autocrats and emirs. Emir, by the way means Leader, or Fuhrer in German.
6. As regards to what we do in the US, I am at a loss, except to say we must be true to ourselves and continue the fight we are now engaged in: weaken the traditional media, take back and de – bureaucratize the government, and confront and denounce the anti American elements that do pervade much of our life. Above all we must make it clear that the fashionable cultural relativism is just that, fashion, and now a luxury we cannot afford. Passing laws against this and that often don’t work in the US – witness the effects of prohibition versus the 70 – 8o percent drop in alcohol consumption between 1790 and 1919 due to moral suasion, industrialism, etc. We must brace ourselves to fight the long fight, face falsehoods and glib responses wherever we find them, deal with facts, and recognize that this fight will never end. It has lasted over the entire history of our republic.
Old woman questioning Franklin on leaving the Constitutional Convention:
” Do we have a Republic or a Monarchy?”
Answer: “A Republic, if you can keep it.”
While I am sure the video is as devastating as you say, more people need to see it and charging admission ought to be secondary to informing the public. You cannot claim Iran is the greatest danger since Hitler and hide the best evidence behind a paywall. Does PJM care more about winning the fight than making money, because, if you believe Michael Ladeen, if the barbarians get the bomb, money will mean nothing.
Remember also LBJ thought he could buy off Ho Chi Min by offering to build him a big dam (what, no high-speed rail?) And Hitler, Stalin and Mao were just centrist politicians trying to manipulate internal political interest groups in hopes of achieving unity. Yeah, right. There’s nothing like projecting your own thoughts and motives onto others for ensuring you get something WRONG. And yet, here we go again; nothing’s been learned, everything’s been forgotten.
Buck, you forgot “Agrarian Reformer”.
“I thought it should get as wide a dispersion as possible.”
I enjoy Poliwood. I think PJTV is great, and I appreciate your need to build a subscription base and to monetize the site(s), but I have to call you on this, if you truly thought this film should be given as wide a dispertion as possible it wouldn’t require a membership to view it.
Sorry about that, Bob. It was meant to be public of course. Wrong boxes got checked or something. Fixed now. Fo watch.
There was a link from Drudge to another site with the subtitled video (Reza’s I believe)
A first step, which would signal national understanding of the problem, would be to ban the immigration of Muslims. It would be the beginning of understanding the seriousness of the problem.
I’m with jb. (If we’re going to be the Great Satan anyway, we might as well start acting like it.)
Roger, they, the left, understands Iran. It is precisely because they do understand them that they are so tolerant of their aims and aggression.
Something about a death wish perhaps ?
As the son of a Seventh-Day Adventist minister, My response is: “I resemble that remark!” (HT: Curly of the Three Stooges) To clarify, we collected money door-to-door for our overseas mission work; you only got the full monty when you showed up at a tent/revival meeting. At one of those meetings one would learn that it was the Catholic Church that wanted to create a world government and oppress the true believers. I can’t say that it is very comforting to know that knuckleheads with similar beliefs actually run their own country.
The left routinely excuses fanaticism, violence, sexism, and intolerance from Islam that they would never accept from evangelicals. Its another example of their hipocracy and lack of logic.
“The left routinely excuses fanaticism, violence, sexism, and intolerance from Islam that they would never accept from evangelicals. Its another example of their hipocracy and lack of logic.”
And therein lies the reason where so called “progressives” are going to be the FIRST casualties of our soon to be war against Islam.
Please…let it begin.
Roger- You would do well to sit down with a member of the Seventh-day Adventist church who is a scholar on the church views on prophecy. You would find it a very interesting and enlightening conversation. This all comes as no supprise
One of the weak points of Western culture is the proclivity to focus on the particular, that the overall picture is lost. For it is easier to look at the trees, instead of the forest.
Thank you Roger for doing what you can to shed light on how Khameini, Ahmadinezhad, and the rest of deformed souls, scalawags, scoundrels, and assorted ilk, view the toppling of ben Ali of Tunisia, Mubarak of Egypt, and the rest of the unrest. (for I still say that part of the blame belongs to those who gave us the global financial crisis which stems from the creation and proliferation of toxic assets attributable to sub-prime mortgages).
Yes, but where was this video shown? General theater release? State TV? Or just circulated among a group of whackos?
There’s no shortage of crazy things like this here, or anywhere else in the world for that matter. I’m not concerned unless this is “official” or prominent.
This was a state-sponsored film, from the Basij, if you know who they are. If not, look them up. And read Reza Khalili’s article.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/iranian-rulers-believing-pre-messianic-destruction-is-imminent-make-film-to-prepare-muslims/
Roger, when I see things like this, I wonder… does it represent the beliefs of the leadership, or is it propaganda for the masses? Just because the Prez authorized it and the Basiji made it doesn’t mean it represents what the leaders think.
I fear that it may, but it the existence and provenance of this video does not prove it.
BTW, I read an adventure novel a few months ago (forget the name) which turned on a 12th Imam plot, and ultimately (surprisingly) turned into a Christian last days novel. Odd, but a good read.
To the Western mind this seems like mumbo-jumbo, of course, or something a Seventh Day Adventist might try to flog when collecting donations door-to-door.
I’ve lived near a Seventh Day Adventist church for the past ten years. They appear to be gainfully employed solid citizens. I’ve never heard of them collecting money door-to-door.
This is why we have the expression ‘missing the forest for the trees’, and why the jihad has such a strong foothold in the west. People like you simply cannot keep your eye on the ball.
Because you are so completely consumed by your own agenda, apparently someone needs to explain to you (and several other people here) that this article is NOT about the fund-raising practices of the Seventh Day Adventist Church.
That was an example, and if you do not care for that example, of find it to be inaccurate, one would hope you would have the rudimentary intellect to get the drift anyway, rather than allowing yourself to become distracted from such gravely important subject by mere trivialities.
I know it is sometimes difficult in the age of MTV, Twitter and Al Franken as an elected official… but try to focus on what’s important.
CJ and other similar posters don’t miss the point; they intentionally ignore the point and purpose of the post, spending their time arguing some side issue, all in an effort to get the rest of us off-topic. And every time someone addreses them and their moronic nit-picking, they win.
If what you say is the case, then why are YOU participating in the very distraction you are chastising me about? If you honestly believed what you are saying, why would you focus on my comment, rather than the issue at hand? Why would you help them ‘win’?
God I hate trolls.
Point: Sayan
Game, set, and match?
Sayan, I think I like you.
Does anyone know what Babe Ruth’s lifetime batting average was?
It should be pointed out that apocalyptic visions are not limited to what is traditionally called organized religion (Christianity, Islam, etc). Environmentalism preaches a similar doomsday message.
I also think that another reason the secular left is uninterested in The Coming Is Near is the fact that Islam enjoys (for the time being) the status of Persecuted Minority. The secular left sees Islam as a rival to Christianity, and has decided “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Therefore, we hear little or nothing from the secular left about The Coming Is Near or the barbaric treatment of women and homosexuals in Islamic countries, while the “Islamophobia” meme dominates Western news coverage.
Of course, should the secular left feels threatened by Islam they will attack it ferociously the same way they presently attack Jews and Christians. But for now, Islam is protected.
Conservatives love to make broad generalizations about anyone who doesn’t drink the Right-Wing kool-aid. I am a liberal and I am agnostic. But, I take religion very seriously and have studied the world’s monotheistic religions. Militant Islam is definitely a threat, but so is Christian fundamentalism. One is a threat external to the US, the other is an internal threat. Islamists blow themselves up to make a statement, Christian militants blow-up abortion clinics to make a statement. One is certainly more prolific than the other at this point, but that is not because of the religion, it is because of our system of law. We keep militant fundamentalism of all kinds in check here in the US, while in other parts of the world it is allowed to thrive.
The majority of wars on this planet have been rooted in religious dogma and the real culprit here is religion itself – the worship of imaginary divine beings and using this belief to drive foreign and domestic policy. Our founders recognized the value in positive religious faith and of keep religion out of government. That is why we are a Christian nation, but have a secular government. In Christian terms, we are comparable to what Turkey is to Islam. It works for us, most of the time.
What we need to do about Iran is regime-change through covert means. And we should not fear Islam as a whole, but treat it the same way we do every other religion that has a militant arm – keep a watchful eye on the militants and crush them out when they surface to do harm. If we try to prevent the violence before it happens, then we are straying into dangerous Orwellian ground.
Don’t make broad sweeping generalizations about the agnostic or atheist Left – we are not all a bunch of tree-hugging weaklings. Some of us are armed, some of us are just as tough as the next guy, and some of us have not drank the kool-aid offered by either side (right or left). Some of us are “liberal” because our social values do not agree with the Right. We are just as American and our views are just as valid. While we all sit here slinging mud at each other from across the political aisle, our enemies are going to blindside us. It’s time to forget this right-left, liberal-conservative nonsense and get back to common sense.
Best regards,
MikeG
“Conservatives love to make broad generalizations about anyone who doesn’t drink the Right-Wing kool-aid.”
Brilliant. In the very first sentence of your post, you illustrate that you are guilty of the exact charge you are leveling against conservatives, by making a broad generalization about conservatives.
I saw NO reason to read further.
Strange. Because one Timothy McVeigh, though supposedly raised in a Catholic home, was an avowed atheist (until his last few minutes, when he suddenly asked for last rites after denying the existence of God for months). I’m just wondering how you explain old Tim – who killed far more people in one morning than all the “exploding abortion clinics” combined? Or if you need something more recent, how about the atheist flying a plane into IRS buildings in Austin? He had a real problem with the Catholic Church – and sounded a lot like you.
Or maybe you can help me to understand religion being at fault for the following? And this is but one century…Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, Che, Mao ad nauseam…
Your hubris is not only unbecoming, but terribly misinformed.
The death-toll from Christian Fundamentalists blowing themselves up is just staggering….well, you stagger a lot when you get light-headed from laughing for 15 straight minutes.
BTW, does it hurt much?
Hey please don’t fool people with falsely claiming that this video is “state-sponsored” thus preparing the stage for an attack on Iran. Not this time.
All major Ayatollahs who have heard about it, are denouncing the video and its message. There is absolutely no evidence that the Iranian government has sponsored or in any way helped its production. You just have to skim pro-government Persian-language media. Take the staunch pro-Ahmadinejad website RajaNews, for example:
http://www.rajanews.com/detail.asp?id=81614
http://www.rajanews.com/detail.asp?id=81447
http://www.rajanews.com/detail.asp?id=82779
http://www.rajanews.com/detail.asp?id=82504
BEING HUMAN IS A FUN THING…BUT TO BE HUMAN AND IN ISLAM IS JUST VERY VERY BAD LUCK…MORE BAD LUCK FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND BECAUSE OF THAT … BAD FOR ALL MUSLIM MEN TOO. JUST FACE FACTS…..RELAX READ THRU…
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY OTHER CULTURES DON’T NAME THEIR KIDS MOHA-MAD ? I’LL TELL YOU…IT’S BECAUSE MOHA-MAD IS THE DIRTIEST NAME ON THE PLANET. THE DIRTIEST DIRTIEST DIRTIEST. NOW YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT ISLAM THAT YOU DIDN’T KNOW BEFORE YOU READ THIS….AND YES YOU’RE WELCOME. ANYTIME LOOK AT THE BEAUTY AROUND YOU MADE BY THE KAFFIRS THAT ISN’T MESSED UP. WITH DICK-HEAD ARABIC AND THINK…. IF ISLAM CONTINUES YOUR CHILDREN’S CHILDREN WILL BE SLAVES TOO AND THERE WILL BE NO KAFFIRS LEFT AND ALL YOU’LL HAVE IS POVERTY ALL AROUND YOU AND THE ARABS WILL ALWAYS BE YOUR MASTERS AND YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY OWN THAT STUPID KORAN AND IT TELLS YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO NOT HAVE A LIFE OTHER THAN ISLAM BECAUSE ISLAM SAYS SO. MOSQUES LOOK STUPID ANY WAY YOU SEE THEM SO A THOUSAND MOSQUES LOOK A THOUSAND TIMES STUPID AND ALL THEY TEACH IS STUPIDITY BECAUSE THE STUPID BOOK SAYS IT IS SO. THERE WON’T BE PEOPLE LIKE ME AROUND TO GUIDE YOUR CHILDREN’S CHILDREN’S CHILDREN TO GET OUT OF THIS EVIL CULT OF ISLAM STARTED BY AN EVIL EVIL AND DEMENTED MAN WHO HATED WOMEN AND CHILDREN BUT PEPPERED HIS LANGUAGE FLOWERFULLY WITH WORDS LIKE HUMANITY ETC, WHICH HE’S TWISTED SO BADLY AND CRUELLY THAT THE SIMPLE ARABS JUST FELL FOR IT. BUT…. YOU DON’T HAVE TO…SORRY ABOUT THE CAP LOCKS …. BUT I THINK ISLAM HAS DEADENED YOUR LOGIC TOO MUCH. LOOK AROUND YOU …READ THE KORAN…MOHA-MAD WAS A CERTIFIED VERY EVIL MAD MAN….WHAT DO YOU THINK…JUST READ THE KORAN…JUST READ THE CRAP IN IT AND MAKE A JUDGMENT FOR YOUR KIDS….REMEMBER…THE KORAN SAYS YOU CAN’T QUESTION IT ….BALLS….NO ONE CONTROLS YOUR MIND…NO ONE…DEFINITELY NOT A LONG DEAD MAD MAN AS YOU’LL SEE… USE LOGIC…YOU KNOW ENGLISH… THAT’S A SUPERB START….. COME ON MAN …THINK !!!
In truth, islam’s mu-ham-mad personal behavior represented the very WORST , the very worst of humanity in EVERY ASPECT. Muham-mad’s behavior is exactly the opposite of decent good behavior and values should be.
MOHA-MAD WAS A LUNATIC AND YOU HAVE BEEN NAMED AFTER A MAD MAN. THE ISLAM JOKE IS ON YOU BUT THE CURSE OF ISLAM IS ON YOUR CHILDREN.
“Christian militants blow-up (sic) abortion clinics…”
Really? Must’ve missed that on the 11 o’clock news last night. Hey, Meteorite, the Inquisition is over. Of all the pathetic attempts to find moral equivalence between Islam and Christianity in 2011, that’s right up there in first place. And abortion clinics don’t need to be blown up; they’re slowly rotting in their own toxic effluvia (see Gosnell,Kermit).
Don’t tell Obama the 12th Imam is about to get out of that well, or he will place a NFZ over it.
Everytime I send the 12th Imam a package of beer, and hot pork skins, it gets returned with nasty notes like Death to all who insults Islam, and Infidels go to Hell! I mean, where is the Love from these people? The false prophet has got to eat something. I was just trying to help him.
Leatherneck,
Why don’t you try a copy of “OUT” magazine? (Farsi edition)
I’l send that next time, but I might have to sign it from Catino. I got your back if they come for ya, or give you a Fatwa.
Easy there Roger; don’t over-react to trash like this.
But as I have said before, GWB missed a rare opportunity on 9/12/01 to use some of our ‘apocalyptic’ kynetic military assets against a bunch of these so-called ‘countries.’
I do agree with the makers of this movie on one point.
This struggle of islam with The Rest of The World has been going on for 1400 years and needs to be brought to an end. Soon. Or they succeed.
…or it keeps going on for another thousand years or more. It does not have to come to a resolution. It might also become irrelevant. Are there any groups out there who seriously believe in Greek Mythology any more? I suspect there may be more people who believe in Flying Spaghetti Monsterism or Jedi Knights.
This sounds to me like those copies of “The Watchtower” that Jehovah’s Witnesses slide under my door from time to time. It is remarkable though that this bunch of nonsense did not go the way of Marcion or Montanus… mmm…
Muslims v Christians. It never ends … until the end.
I watched the Film. What I saw is how ‘Obsessive’ this culture (Islam) is. Over power (who’s rules and over who), religion, religious fractions, land, law, punishment, injustice, other people, women, dress, sex the western culture…
Do these people ever have any fun? Or Is that not part of their obsessive lifestyle/Islamic culture?
I find it ‘funny’ how they conclude that the West (and just about everyone else) are ‘oppressors’. Isn’t this what THEY have been doing for 1000′s of years? (with a only a few short, speckled breaks).
It sounds like ‘The Coming’ isn’t coming fast enough for Islam in the ‘natural sense’. It sounds like they are going to give a bit of a ‘Shove’ to ‘get’ it in motion..a nuke or two will help it along …
So, I guess they want to start with Israel, which also means Palestine will get nuked (or at least a lot of death from fall out) as well since it’s pretty much in dead aim proximity to Israel… so much for all the obsession over Palestine…
Side Track: Why could they (any Arab Country) not give their blessings to a new tract of land, give it to Palestine, call it ‘New Palestine’ or ‘new beginning’ in Arabic, or whatever, and just let Palestine have a go at it? They could start a whole new country fresh from the ground up… That would be the “Peaceful thing” to do wouldn’t it? In fact it would be the “epitome of Peace”.
Just a thought…
The full read is at the link below. It is a very enlightening read and should be ‘passed around’…Please
http://lcresistance.blogspot.com/2011/03/all-european-life-died-in-auschwitz.html
My thoughts: I wonder if the “staggering Amount” of Nobel Prizes for Islam as shown below, is the reason Obama was “pushing so hard” for Islamic Recognition for Space Studies?? Go to the Link and see how many Nobel Prizes the “Jews” received..
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is
ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world’s population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1988 – Najib Mahfooz
Peace:
1978 – Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 – Elias James Corey
1994 – Yaser Arafat:
1999 – Ahmed Zewai
Economics:
(zero)
Physics:
(zero)
Medicine:
1960 – Peter Brian Medawar
1998 – Ferid Mourad
TOTAL: 7 SEVEN
Seems to me if Islam put as much effort in doing “Good” in their world, instead of trying to rule over it and oppress everyone in it, they could….
I’m putting on my Rapture underwear just in case.
Wise, Blackball, very wise.
From one point of view the Iranian leadership should be encouraged to continue its current course.
In the pursuit of nuclear weapons they have invested far too much in treasure and political capitol. They have done this at great loss to conventional military strength. The embargo has forced them to self produce cheap looking domestic knockoffs and dumb stuff like flying saucers, flying stealth boats and mini subs. Missiles are OK but no substitute for a real air force and Israel is rapidly developing counter measures.
Even if they do get a few nukes what are they going to do with them? Bomb Jerusalem so they can celebrate for the 20 minutes they have left to live? The nuclear program has been sabatoged already and suddenly a pump breaks up at Bushear. They should have built more refineries instead.
They export weapons to Hamas and Hezbolla. Well they cant really afford this and it doesnt buy them much. Problem is, as the US learned in the cold war, you cant control what happens to them once the delivery is made. These groups have their own agenda and in the shifting climate now it may well be that the rest of the Arab world is going to be too busy to worry much about Israel for a while (time Israel should use to get ready for what might happen next).
They can keep trying but there is no way that Israel is going to go away no matter how much they ship. Katyushas are not going to get the Israeli government to just pack up and go. It has not made them heros of the resistance, they are increasingly looking like fools.
Meanwhile the economy is a shambles. The Revolutionary Guard controls a large part of it and a politically repressed population with many international sanctions does not make for robust capitalism. More repressive measures are needed to keep the population in check. None of this looks good for the leadership long term.
Chess may be a Persian game but clearly poker is not. Thing is in chess everything is on the table but real life doesnt work that way. An Iran weak in military and economic clout is in the best interests of the US and Israel. Lets hope they stay that way until the people find a way to install a government interested in peace and cooperation.
Sad to see so much effort being made on this website trying to foist the national interest of Israel onto the United States of America. All these Israelicons laboring away trying to pull the wool over the American people’s
eyes.
Can’t you guys have some honor and just move to Israel and stop trying to delude Americans into dying for your foreign agenda? Go ahead and attack Iran. Leave Uncle Sam out of it.
What the Persians don’t realize is that, Yes, the Mahdi is coming, but She is Pissed, Big Time!
WHY IRAN MUST GET NUCLEAR WEAPONS:
Iran must get nuclear weapons. It must start flexing it’s nuclear muscles and when that reaches a tipping point the field will be equal and war will be justified. Right now leveling iran would be foolish because then the islamic excuse would be they weren’t ready and garner pity. Not going to let that happen.
Let iran start something and then watch what happens. The mushroom clouds will be so big all muslims will be able to see and meet their evil allah in a flash from all over the world. Do not under-estimate the wrath of the common non-muslim people on the planet. Muslims all over the planet will be hunted down and told to either get out of islam or die and meet their evil-allah post haste. This is not some day-dream .this will actually happen when iran and saudi arabia and Libya and all these islamic countries stop funding islamic insurgencies because their source of income is shut down by a war they have started and foolishly do not know how to end. Islam is not known for it’s logic. When the petrol money taps are shut down non muslims will be unforgiving in the bite back to islam. This will happen. Too many non-muslims will take the law into their own hands and will do what needs to be done. Islam will be on the run but will be hunted down and expunged from the planet. For this to happen iran has to have nuclear weapons first. When everything is in place their reactors will be their deaths in the millions. but the real clean-up will start outside Iran. Europe and Russia will lead the west and India and Australia will do the floor-wipe and all small islands and china will do it too. Right now there are muslims gathering in south America. let them gather. south Americans are merciless. they might be drug lords but they know evil is amongst them and will expunge it.
This planet is fed up of this evil islamic nonsense cult.
Hence Iran not only has to get nuclear weapons BUT has to use them !!!
Evil people are a BIG drain to our planet’s resources like a raging fire. For our planet’s limited resources and our safety we should kill each and every fire once we have identified it as evil. Feeding a fire is suicide and not good for our planet’s resources.
So in the end what will happen to islam ?
Will islam just vanish?