Obama on Fox – it’s desperation time
There’s no way Barack Obama would have appeared on Fox Wednesday night in a sit-down interview with Bret Baier had not the President’s health care bill been in serious trouble. Things must be really bad, even with all the legislative legerdemain being cooked up by Pelosi and company. The interview itself was testy with Baer doing relatively well, I thought. Nevertheless, the President was able to filibuster away from answering most of the questions. But whoever “won,” I doubt it changed many minds at this point; everybody’s already so disgusted with the process. (I was amused by the competition between Baer and Obama over the number of emails they received. When Baer claimed 18000 for Fox, Obama felt he had to best him with 40000 a day to the White House.)
When you think over the last year, it’s clear Obama has some of the most inept advisers in recent presidential history. Allowing him to risk his entire presidency on a global overhaul of health care – when an incremental overhaul could have been had simply for the asking – seems absurd politics, win or lose. It also isn’t worth that much in the grand scheme of things – other than the obvious, increasing the amount of the economy under government control. The nostalgia for marxism inherent in it all this almost pathetic. Don’t these people live in the real world?
And yet we have had virtually nothing but health care for the last twelve months. When Obama pops up to in the foreign policy sphere, you’re surprised to see him there. What does Iran have to do with health care? (Well, there’s nuclear fallout. That’s a health issue.) His reply on Iran at the end of Baer’s interview seemed almost perfunctory. He insisted he was wrangling other countries in opposition to the mullahs’ nukes. But we know it’s not true. He’s not really interested in that. What keeps Obama up at night is the House health care vote, member by member by member by member. Heaven help us.
Thanks for your predictably biased opinion.
“But we know it’s not true.”
What is new?
He said his healthcare package would generate a trillion dollars savings.
At this point, no one, left or right or center or up or down or alive or dead believes what he says. We were amused at Bill Clinton’s “it depends on what you mean by ‘is’”. We are tired, if not disgusted, at Obama’s outright lies.
I think Barack Obama is a glaring presentation of the soft bigotry from the left.
To be sure, I think BO is a raging narcissist and thinks he’s the end all be all and it didn’t help that he had the fainting kool-aid kidz reinforcing his own self-aggrandizement.
But getting back to the soft bigotry angle. I believe the Leftists took this guy and had their way with him and figured no matter how hard the fall would be when the all powerful ‘they’ rammed their shiz-nizzle down America’s throat, putting the blame on the first Negro president so uplifted and fan-faired would be too painful and impossible and therefore they had their golden or ‘black’ goose that had a million golden ‘you’re a racist’ eggs to dole out.
Now, being the smart extremists that the Über-Left are, they were prepared for a Barry S. to take a fall on the sword in the name of
tyrannysocialismcommunismgood for mankind and even Barry himself said as much when he mentioned that he was fine with doing unpopular things that would guarantee he not be reelected.And I take the tone of this Über-Left/Criminal assimilation of misfit administration to mean that they have already told their golden boy that he has to go down with the ship of fools for their agenda. Which ultimately means, they wanted a negro to take the credit or fall for their ultimate evil designs.
I find that exceedingly racist and in that sense, I feel sorry for Mr. Soetero and his daughters (the psychotic wife? Not so much).
Agree about inept advisers, but with his megalomania does he even take their advice? Or does he know best and of course “now is our time, now is our moment”. The CW is defeat will ruin his presidency, but the MSM will be spinning it in less than 48 hrs – this was a Herculean task that no one, not “even sort of a God could have done; it was Pelosi, Reed, and Republicans fault. Don’t understand the nostalgia for Marxism comment though; it’s not a thing of the past. Not even in America where it has taken it’s corporatist form and is living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Heaven help indeed.
Sorry, I thought Baier looked like a rookie. I was disappointed that he apologized, that he did not gracefully cut off the rambler in chief. Brit Hume or Chris Wallace would’ve done better, but at least Baier got blooded. Next time he will do better.
But at least the teleprompter in chief got some ordinary scrutiny, especially using the words like “bribe” and “payoff” etc. How often did that ever happen in Chicago? This is what makes it a win for us civilians.
The ‘coddling’ of 0bama has become so expected that trying to question this mystery man POTUS with real questions is like crucifying you-know-who on a cross and makes him all the more a ‘sympathetic’ character. It’s a low win for ‘o’ and a low lose for ‘fox’. A wishy-washy uncomfortable wash. The interview was a 2-man verbal/mental tug-of-war. To be honest, it was mentally exhausting for me to watch it in full. BO didn’t want to give an inch and Bret wanted to get turnip blood.
I don’t know if his advisors can be blamed. I think it’s him.
His personal ambition is outweighed by his ideological zelotry. (Although it’s hard to separate them.)
Bret asked him — if it’s true that this Bill doesn’t go through, he’ll lose his ability to lead. That’s not necessarily true.
He’s getting gazillions of “changes” done behind the scenes while we’re busy being appalled by the Health Care — and he’ll continue to do so. New bureaucracies are blooming everywhere. His army of Czars haven’t been idle, nor has he neglected signing lots of “stuff” — like the “fishing” for one, that made news because it hits an obvious sore spot. How many thousands of new “hires” have there been by the Federal gov’t in the last year? What do you suppose they’re doing?
In any case, they still might win because they have absolutely no, none, zilch scruples about how.
Nor, incidentally, do they give a rap about what’s “in” the Bill, or whether it helps Americans or the country’s financial problems — but that’s another story — what they’re thinking about for when (not if) the country collapses financially.
Beck’s got him on video saying something to the effect that this Bill is just a first step — a stepping stone — on the way to single payer — like Canada. The One said Canada didn’t start out with a complete socialized system — it got there step by step. (Which is why he doesn’t give a rap about what’s in it.)
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that is what put us U.S. in the spot we are now we need to find a way for we the people to back someone and not corp America
Baer slammed him i must be old school but i was raised not to put my hand or finger in someone s face all I seen there was what this government has been doing for to long and we shall over come this like everything
YY because we are Americans
It’s possible the bill will pass, but how will they make it work? Ironically the left finally came to power at exactly the point in history when entitlement economics came to the end of its run. At the state, city, and school district levels, bureaucracies are eliminating jobs through outsourcing and privatization, or simply eliminating public services. Membership in a powerful union is no protection, if the government entity has no money to make payroll. Once the private sector, the economy, is decimated, the public sector contracts. It is already happening. Universities will be forced to drastically cut tuition just to survive, and that means a massive loss of university jobs. Eventually these economic pressures will hit the federal level. They cannot legislate reality out of existence. Those once safe government jobs will begin to disappear.
It wasn’t just campaign fodder that he said he would “fundamentally change America.” He really, really doesn’t like our system of government, and capitalism (which we have only a ghost of, but enough for him to despise) – and he knew it wasn’t going to be easy.
He even said very, very clearly in various ways during the campaign that Americans have more than they need, they need to give it up so that it can be shared, and he was going to fix them — he said that many of “them” wouldn’t like it, but it was good for them and the country. (Kind of like America taking the viewpoint and side of the Palestinians is good for Israel.)
His wish is to “change” America as much as he can for whatever amount of time he has — no matter the cost — using lies, deceit and tricks is all part of his “work.” Not stopping Iran from getting Nukes will certainly “change” things. Coddling enemies and ignoring and worse, our Allies ditto. He’s certainly done a good job of getting a start on “change” by diminishing American influence and power internationally.
Like he said once, he’d give himself a B+.
7. Prologue:
Astute comment. Though financial ruin is an odd way to “starve the beast.”
The consequences are something to contemplate.
Or what they’d do about it as it got worse.
Could be they would, if they could, when the time’s right for them, if they still had the power, just confiscate all businesses and private property to pay the salaries. Precedents have been set, and they’ve already got plans for our 40l(k)s.
Hmm, Fox does not need Obama, Obama needs Fox. The advisors can only do so much with their “raw” material since I don’t think he listens to anyone else about anything. I’m with Delia on the soft bigotry of low expectations and The Won is most hurt by this.
Bring on the elections. ABO 2012.
The push for universal coverage in America represents a Holy Grail of sorts for the Left. When I hung with those people, that was an issue that burned brightly for most of them. The struggle had been going on since the days of FDR, resisted by those scheming Republicans and greedy doctors, hospitals and insurance companies. No amount of patient reasoning was ever enough to tarnish the vision. When I became a physician–one of “them”–I knew a number of colleagues besides myself who were able to turn a blind eye to reality and be silent cheerleaders for the movement. It was only after I became acquainted with the economics of health care that I began to turn away from utopianism and perceive the coming nightmare. It has nothing to do with personal gain or loss. I’m in primary care, at the rock bottom of the food chain. When HMOs and managed care got traction in the 80s, I was in the trenches as a gatekeeper, trying to decide for patients whom they should or should not see. All I can say about that experience is Never Again. When the patient queues develop in the next five to ten years as Obamacare becomes the state of medicine I will be able to retire from practice. I’ll be well off to be able to access the bypass around the logjams if I become sick. The people I pity are not my old leftist friends, because they also will learn quickly how to game the system. I pity all those Obama & Company promised to help, who will pay more in taxes and get less in benefits. As a very smart economist once said: “If something isn’t sustainable, it won’t be.”
“The nostalgia for marxism inherent in all this is almost pathetic. Don’t these people live in the real world?”
Marxism/Progressivism – old, irrational, elites and State give “bread and circuses” to the populace, advancement by political influence, collectivist loss of liberties, few, if any, property rights, no economic or social upward mobility, leads to “lawful” force and brutality, breeds corruption, requires continual brainwash propaganda control of press, causes massive poverty over time, little, if any, wealth created only for the few, proven economically unfeasible, proven failed over and over again.
Limited Government-Capitalism – eternally new, rational, self-reliance for elites and populace, advancement by merit, Individual Liberties and protected property rights, constant upward economic and social mobility, no “lawful” force or brutality, least corruption, free press, more people brought out of poverty than any other system, more wealth for all created than any other system, successful when not interfered with by gov’t – the less government interference the more successful.
The reconciliation process is not a given. The Republicans may be able to pick apart the bill, forcing another vote in the House. If the process is slowed, it means less gets done. That seems like a good thing for the country right now.
9. Aqua said: “Could be they would, if they could, when the time’s right for them, if they still had the power, just confiscate all businesses and private property to pay the salaries. Precedents have been set, and they’ve already got plans for our 40l(k)s.”
I’m sure that is their plan. But, it still won’t work. No one has ever been able to make a purely socialist economy function. Just ask the Chinese (who turned to a free market), the Russians (who have passed the demographic tipping point and may disappear), and the North Koreans (God help those poor souls). And in Europe, the economic contraction is on, even as the dependent government functionaries rail against the growing austerity.
Allowing him to risk his entire presidency on a global overhaul of health care – when an incremental overhaul could have been had simply for the asking – seems absurd politics, win or lose. It also isn’t worth that much in the grand scheme of things – other than the obvious, increasing the amount of the economy under government control. The nostalgia for marxism inherent in it all this almost pathetic. Don’t these people live in the real world?
But isn’t that the whole point after all, Roger? The unexpectedly strong pushback from the CENTER…is what threw them. They expected to get pushback from the right. They felt they could continue to marginalize it, call it extremist and bury the truth of the resistance.
The Tea Party wasn’t as easily marginalized. (and the astroturf “coffee klatch” is beyond ridiculous). The plummeting popularity of all things Democrat at the moment, is the loss of the middle. And, in national politics, it don’t mean a thing unless you got that swing.
The left saw the grab of the banks (finance industry), the auto industry, the energy industry (albeit with a HUGE loss of momentum with Climategate),…and they wanted to keep grabbing. Health care is the ultimate grab.
This is a jigsaw puzzle and health care is a large corner piece.
The left is in grubby fingers, grabby hands mode. They are pissed off that more grabbing wasn’t done sooner…before the “swing center” woke up. Now, they have to do some “splainin’” and they don’t like that.
They do much better with soothing words and slogans, empty platitudes and Orwellian rules that change on the fly.
But make no mistake, Roger. They live in the real world. Just not necessarily any one that you and I would prefer to inhabit.
The whole “give unto seizures” mentality is in full tilt. Their methodology may seem to the untrained eye to be chaotic, amateurish, clumsy. But, that’s only because you were not born and raised under either Chicago Machine politics or Marxist/Leninist regimes. (or Maoist or Trotskyites)
Clout meets class warfare. The worker’s party meets the patronage machine.
The community organizer meets the ward heeler.
Galvanized leftism, marauding through our economy like bandits picking off segments in chunks. Shredding the Constitution, abandoning any pretense of following rules, laws, principles, …conducting stealth “legislation”…passing “new laws” in a heated rush that nobody can read or comprehend and they really don’t want anyone to contemplate.
They don’t want “incremental change”, Roger. They are in the mood for a revolution. And we are in the middle of one. They just don’t want to declare it out loud. That middle might push back even harder.
The interview went as I expected but at least Brett Baer tried to conduct an honest interview and didn’t just roll over.
The administration and majority in congress believed they had a perfect alignment of the stars to enact universal healthcare. I think 14 months ago, they were convinced it would happen within a few months. They anticipated blowback, but thought it would essentially be weak and inept. They would be able to completely overpower the opposition. The dream of universal healthcare then shrunk to the “public option”. Even that was an indignity. Even that was a sign that they could not simply do what they wanted. Then the public option became politically unviable until we have the legislative efforts of today. Even the “watered down” version was the result of odious backroom deals, because there was simply no other way to pass this without bribery.
Fourteen months have seen the “dream” disappear. They have talked nothing but healthcare, because each erosion has fueled the feeling that they have to walk away with something and in a belief in “a foot in the door”. They firmly believe that if this legislation is passed, they will eventually be able to fix it later. They know people will complain, and they believe they can use the complaints to exert more control. They believe that once this legislation is passed that it cannot be fundamentally undone. Future Congresses will simply expand this.
Healthcare legislation fundamentally changes the relationship between citizen and state. Both sides know this.
“Don’t these people live in the real world?”
They are ultimately only worrying about themselves. A growing interference of the government in the lives of the common citizens is to their advantage. Their own economic circumstances become more secure—and their power increases exponentially.
Mr. Simon:
“When you think over the last year, it’s clear Obama has some of the most inept advisers in recent presidential history. Allowing him to risk his entire presidency on a global overhaul of health care – when an incremental overhaul could have been had simply for the asking – seems absurd politics, win or lose”
One wonders if this is not unlike his toadies telling the Fuhrer that all that was needed for the Soviet Union to collapse was for the German Army to but “kick in the door”,(and yes, go ahead and declare war on the USA into the bargain!).
Or Louis XVI’s court flunkies assuring him that he was beloved by the people of France.
“Don’t these people live in the real world?”
Not at the moment, no. (And I fully realize that the question was rhetorical).
“When Obama pops up to in the foreign policy sphere, you’re surprised to see him there.”
Maybe YOU’RE surprised…I think my own feelings on that are a mixture of foreboding and dismay at what he’s going to read from his Teleprompter next.
“He insisted he was wrangling other countries in opposition to the mullahs’ nukes.”
Yes…quite. His results have so far been rather underwhelming, huh?
One suspects that the fallout shelter construction business in Israel and Saudi aren’t doing “fire sale” business since the Alleged Hawaiian has been busy “a-wranglin’”.
The November Electoral Obamageddon can’t come quickly enough.
Towards that end, could we not institute a “Democracy Savings Time”, and set the calendars ahead by eight months or so?
Think of all the campaign commercials we’ll avoid having to sit through…that alone should be worth it.
“Allowing him to risk his entire presidency on a global overhaul of health care – when an incremental overhaul could have been had simply for the asking – seems absurd politics, win or lose.”
Ah, but Obama is a narcissist, his need for grandiose accomplishment means he can’t settle for an incremental overhaul. He is “The One”, he must accomplish Great Things.
And, yes, the Leftist base has hungered for this for generations, with Democrats having a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate as well as control of the House, the stars seemed aligned.
“Progressives” seem incapable of understanding economic limits, so it’s no surprise that they can’t see that the welfare state has finally reached the point of unsustainability. And the civil-servant pension debt bombs are only starting to go off. Social Security is now permanently in the red, it’s day of reckoning brought forward by the Great Recession. Which may yet become a Depression, if China is indeed in a bubble it’s collapse will hammer economies worldwide.
“It also isn’t worth that much in the grand scheme of things”
That isn’t true for them. A country that has nationalized health care moves its center more to the left. The leftist view of the world becomes more entrenched in the population, and the Democrats agenda wins, even if they are out of power briefly. This is why they are risking all on this. They understand that the way to succeed in a democracy is to minimize the importance of elections. This is why they fought Bush’s court appointments tooth and nail – judges are for a lifetime, and not subject to the whims of an election, and when higher court openings are available, it is those in the lower courts that are the primary candidates for the slot – whoever happened to win the last election.
The politics of the country is on a pendulum that swings from right to left. The Republicans look forward to the next rightward swing. The Democrats take advantage of leftward swings to move the pivot to the left so that even when it swings back to the right it isn’t as far right as it used to be.
A good short essay by Mr. Simon. As to the competence of the President’s advisors, one problem is that the Democrats tend not to maintain a bullpen of advisors when they are out of power. They have lots of people in think tanks, staffers in various NGOs and the like, but they don’t prepare people to wield power and to advise presidents on wielding power. This is very much different than the Republicans who do, when they are on the outs, have people in the wings who can step in as soon as the Pubs win an election.
So Democrats are good at policy statements and initiatives, but aren’t so good at closing deals and drawing lines.
Last time the Dems held the White House was 2000. Most all of the Clinton and Gore people there at the time have moved on, and Mr. Obama isn’t fond of the large majority of them anyways (after all, they’re loyal to someone other than him). The progressive Left certainly has few on their side that understand how to get things done, what you can and can’t do with Congress, etc. So while there are a lot of Democrats in Washington in January, 2009, there are few who actually know how the town works who Obama is willing to hire.
Rahm may be just the person you want if you’re building a Democratic majority in the House, but he’s not the person one should have negotiating relationships between the Congress and the White House. Axelrod likewise may be a campaign genius but doesn’t know how to run things (notice, by the way, that George Bush always kept Karl Rove in his place). Valerie Jarrett is a premier fixer but doesn’t have vision. And so on.
Some commenters suggest the problem is Mr. Obama, and I would agree. Compare him to George Bush: whatever you might think of Mr. Bush, that man knew himself, knew who he was and what he was about, such that he radiated strength and assurance (sometimes overly so). He had no problems having strong people around him and keeping them in line. For all that Mr. Obama has written about his upbringing and his ‘dreams’, it is not clear that he understands who he is — therefore, his strength of character, while strong in some ways, isn’t suited to the cat herding required in the White House. Mr. Obama apparently doesn’t have the ability to say, “Rahm, sit down, we’re not doing that.”
Healthcare is just the tip of the iceberg. After they do that they will move to immigration and “the environment”. Immigration which has slowed will surge with the promise of more free healthcare and services, taking jobs from the poorest Americans. Cap and trade will further depress business. God help us.
“When you think over the last year, it’s clear Obama has some of the most inept advisers in recent presidential history.”
An inept leader will inevitably attract mediocre advisors. Barack Obama is intellectually shallow and poorly read. He never acquired the ability to think and follow a logical argument at a high level. This man should be no more than an Illinois state senator. He is not even close to being ready for prime time. His Ivy League credentials impressed too many Americans. They were unaware that these institutions have watered down their standards regarding the softer disciplines in the last 35/45 years.
Win or lose, Obabbler’s presidency is toast. He will likely go down in history as one of the worst chief executives ever. “Obama” will join “Hindenberg” and “Katrina” as a name emblematic of major disasters.
Hey, don’t light a match near that dynamite! Do you want to cause an Obama or something?
AQUA
“Could be they would, if they could, when the time’s right for them, if they still had the power, just confiscate all businesses and private property to pay the salaries. Precedents have been set, and they’ve already got plans for our 40l(k)s.”
If they pass healthcare or not I think they’ll try to take over the insurance companies in order to have single payer while still calling it private insurance. Given that they’ve already taken the anti-trust exemption away the insurance industry, there’s no question they can demand that they become the majority shareholder in these companies since the threat of bloody bankruptcy has already been laid on the foot of the industry’s bed. In return for a majority ownership of the insurance companies, they reinstate anti-trust exemption, and bingo, they control not only the insurance companies, they control the stocks and the bonds those insurance companies are invested in. The question is, what all have insurance companies invested in over the years and what degree of control would ownership of all insurance companies grant the government. I recall articles complaining that health insurance companies owned billions of dollars worth of tobacco companies but I don’t recall ever seeing a breakdown of the various other industries they had large investments in. One way or another, these folks intend to have the same degree of control over every major industry in the US as they now have over GM. It looks to me like they’re every bit as interested the insurance companies as they are in the health care system itself.
Regards
“Don’t these people live in the real world?”
The real world for the congresscritter/gov’t worker is lifelong continuance of their own Cadillac healthcare plan after they leave government.
This is what they’ve voted for themselves, so foisting something else onto the proles is no big deal.
Bret Baier kicked up the heat a little yesterday, which was fun to see. Interrupting the President’s filibusters (aka his attempts at avoiding answering the thorny questions) was refreshing.
Why a global overhaul when an incremental one could have been had? One word that explains everything with this crowd–Hubris.
Gratuitous and immature comment alert:
After having a couple cups of coffee I felt things starting to stir. I took a massive Obama. Flushed it out of my system.
That felt good.
The vote to be taken on this 2400 page behemoth strikes me as very big, even bigger than opening the door to even more layers and levels bureaucratic intrusion into the delivery of health services in this country.
It’s a vote about the direction of the country, about whether or not a nation “so conceived and so dedicated” can long endure, or endure at all.
As the President pointed out to the dweeb Dennis Kucinich over fine food on Air Force One, this bill is the quintessential Foot in The Door to fundamentally transform the United States of America.
It’s heartbreaking to watch as the rest of the country and the world comes to learn the real Barack Obama we Chicagoans have known all along.
Insular to the point of clueless, an inflexible ideologue far out of the mainstream, and a poor administrator surrounded by and propped up by grasping sycophants and greedy profiteers, an unpleasant, self-absorbed marionette of a politician determined to only garner glory for the Cause.
Then, there’s the dishonesty and thuggery.
Sad.
“The nostalgia for marxism inherent in it all this almost pathetic. Don’t these people live in the real world?”
Obama has never held a job that didn’t involve the forcible confiscation of wealth to benefit himself and a third party. He has never had to do anything that actually involves the increase in wealth.
So, in short, “No, they don’t live in the real world.”
“Don’t these people live in the real world?”
Talk about rhetorical questions.
President Obama’s comment about employers costs being reduced by $3000.00 (not 3000%) and his conclusion “which means they could give you a raise!”
Haha, talk about naive. It’s crystal clear at this point that nobody in this administration has any idea how business works in the real world. Lack of experience exposes the fallacy of this type of idealism.
I think you are too hard on Baer.
Most of the incremental reforms Obama and his party would support would drive up costs and drive up the deficit.
There are three easy fixes they reject. True, substantial tort reform, allowing the interstate sale of any insurance policy that meets minimum standards and incentives to choose high deductible/high copay policies. Beyond that there are more complex fixes to Medicare and Medicaid that would reduce costs and improve care. In general we should be looking at countries like Singapore rather than European welfare states as models.
Add to all your points Roger the fact that this morning, a month after assuring the public that he’d heard the message and from here on he would be about jobs jobs jobs, Obama signed a trifling little bill for $20 billion into law.
If there ever had been an iota of truth to Obama’s claims that the stimulus was about putting America back to work, and not about a trillion dollar payoff to his cronies, then that jobs bill should have been the first thing out of the gate, and a mere $20 billion afterthought…
He might have thought to pick up the phone and asked Hillary — or Bill — how similar ambitions weighted their first 100 days, or however long it took the more politically elastic Clintons to realize that health care overhaul wasn’t going to fly.
He might have, but he didn’t. That convinces me he’s weighing the value of a disaster against the responsibilities of success.
I love jon’s comment to start off the thread. As if there is such a thing as an “unbiased opinion.” Hell, there isn’t even such a thing as unbiased news any more.
Frankly, Roger, I’m not convinced that what we’re dealing with here is ineptitude. I think what we’re dealing with here is a dedication to radically leftist ideas. Socialism, in short. A dedication that prompts one to fall on one’s sword, politically speaking, for the greater political and of enacting socialism here in these United States. Roger, you ask the question if these people live in the real world. I think they do, but they live under a different value structure than you and I, and certainly a different value structure than most politicians. Their central objective is to enact socialism, thus killing America. Frankly, there’s no other reasonable explanation for that pattern of behavior that you rather eloquently describe.
“That convinces me he’s weighing the value of a disaster against the responsibilities of success.”
Barack Obama’s health care bill will not likely get through both houses of Congress. This will be too much for his fragile ego to handle. He will initially seek to punish the American people for their betrayal. Soon afterwards, he will resign. Obama will not be president a year from now.
His so-called “inept” advisors are anything but, and those who call them so are just plain stupid, and in total denial. Look how far and so fast Obama has taken us to the brink of destruction. It’s what he wanted, and his advisors wanted, and, by gum, they got it, and, they’re not finished with us yet. No sir. There’s plenty more of the same to come for the next 3 years. Never mind 3 years. Next week. Watch, the nasty health care bill he wants will be voted in as the law of the land. No? Are you sure? You really don’t know, do you? You’re just hoping, and praying, fingers crossed, that it won’t. Their Hahvard educations are no damn good? So what. They never held real jobs in their lives? So what. Obama is nothing but an inveterate liar and a con man? Well, yeah, you know that much, goody goody for you. What have you been able to do about it, besides sucking your thumbs?
Re: Aqua & Prologue
Obama and his regime will take over as much of the country as they can through all the leftist dodges. Please remember that CORPORATISM was another name Mussolini gave to Fascism. They want the entire country to run through them, period. Healthcare is just the first big step. Cap&Trade comes next as a series of Presidential decrees run through the EPA. They don’t need no stinkin’ congress they have all the bureaucracy they need.
This November is, I’m all too afraid, the last chance….
1) Soapbox – been there done that (see Tea Parties)
2) Ballot box – This is November. If the patriotic center of the US can’t stop the Coporatist/socialist/Marxist left here then it’s on to number 3.
3) Cartridge box – If these goons try and steal all our 401ks, and raise electric rates by 400% (see what C&T does to coal prices) and increase all our health care costs and then starts telling us what we can eat, drink or do cause now THEY control healthcare; then there will be blood shed.
When the source of your “power” depends upon victimhood and co-dependency, the “real world” is too frightening of a place to live.
So, you invent an insular world where everyone thinks as you do and then you go about saving each other from your imaginary bogeymen by invention of “programs” designed to slay whole cloth creatures of “THEM”.
Health care victims, Wall Street victims, Climate victims, race victims, gender victims, the weak and trembling are seeking a savior from invisible feral rabbits. (Jimmy Carter went so far as to actually see them and tilt at their presence)
Don Quixote meets Cybil. And begets Carrie.
Do they live in a real world?
Why do you think they want to build so many windmills?
Simple question, Roger. When men like you, Ron Radosh, and David Horowitz were raving Leftists, did you ever feel like you were ever living the real world? It’s a rhetorical question.
As one of the other posters mentioned, the Left’s solution to our “energy problem” is that we invest in one form of energy that’s been with us since before the dawn of time (the sun) and another that has been used since the 3rd century (wind). And these energies should not just be used by 300+ million Americans, but by 6 billion people worldwide. Need we say more if these people are living in the real world?
I just can’t believe this is just about a big healthcare change. It is the portal to advancing the progressive agenda centered in “the government knows and cares best”. It is the making of our Constitution into the living, breathing document the liberal i.e. progressive believes it to be. This is being done to attain a whole lot more than “reform” in healthcare — no reform about it! They want a huge, verbose bill so the czars can interpret and fashion it into what the progressive government wants it to be.
Really great comments section! Except #1 “biased opinion”. Like “grave danger”, “Is there any other kind?” What a maroon!
Are there other things going on behind the scenes in this growth of government? Yes, but they can all be rolled back by the next administration. The focus on healthcare will be the end of them. They thought victory was theirs.
They are like the Germans before Moscow in 1941. So close. The German mantra was always “just one more heave”, unitl they simply ran completely out of stragth. The Dems are doing the same thing. Just one more push… and each push is weaker and more desparate than the last. They shall be denied.
One never achieves victory at the end of one’s strength, because one can never hold onto one’s gains, unless the other side simply surrenders, not knowing how weak you are. We, the opposition are not confused as to their weakness. We know we have reserves of strength, and more coming every day.
The SCOTUS would never accept this “deeming” nonsense. Even if they were to do so, 36 States are passing laws to challenge this bill. We could yet see a Constitutional Convention.
Our reserves are deep and strong. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid’s strength is almost all spent, then comes the counterattack. The full campaign season is almost upon us. It has already started in some places. They are doomed.
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Knowing how badly the same attempt screwed up Bill and Hillary is probably a big part of keeping him driving forward on this. He has to do it to prove he is “the One”. You can bet that every far out and weird project, no matter how minor, that has ever died the bloody death when liberals brought it up is on his agenda.
The majority elected a full blown madman president and is now hoping the gallery of fools they’ve put in Congress will restrain him. So much for all that, “I vote for the candidate not the party” crap from “independents” in this country, they consistently vote democrat but like to pretend they’re above the fray. The sorry fact is that the majority in this country is buried in unreality as deeply as the communist fraud who is now president. Otherwise, they’d have never fallen all over themselves to elect someone who hides his background and has less of a track record than the average candidate for county sheriff.
I’m ever the optimist so I think this bill will fail and with it Barry. If not, though, I seriously doubt the result will be what even the pessimistic democrats expect. The reaction could well go far beyond just democrat losses in elections this coming November. In light of the extremes this guy will go to in order to pass this bill, I don’t think people are going to wait quietly to see whether or not the president who feels he must best Billary on health care thinks he must best them on Waco as well.
Regards
I applaud Pres. Obama’s stonewalling and filibustering of the atrociously conservative Bret Baier. Why shouldn’t he be surly, contentious, petty, pouty and stubbornly nasty? FoxNews isn’t even a legitimate news organization. If it were, they’d just be like the rest of the other ones and support the President, not be filled with conservatives, and not ask questions meant to question the President’s plans.
Comment # 36
“He has never held a job that did not involve the forcible confiscation of wealth to benefit himself and a third party”
uh.. a lawyer, right?
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From the Financial Times:
Vladimir Putin, Russia’s prime minister, promised on Thursday that Moscow would help Iran complete a civil nuclear power station by this summer, drawing criticism from Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state.
His remarks highlighted the continuing differences between the two powers over how to contain Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Mrs Clinton was visiting Moscow on a trip partly designed to increase the pressure on Tehran by showing America’s unity with Russia.
So it’s OK for Putin to give us its middle finger during Clinton’s visit over something that will affect us, but the White House gets apoplectic about settlements when Biden visits Israel? I guess you don’t mess with Joe.
49. Marc Malone:
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37 states, and most of the other 57,
have now realized that this Ramcare will destroy 1/5 of their economy also.
Who controls agent license? ACORN?
Pays for submitted paperwork? DMV?
Sends out health care checks? IRS? – POST OFFICE?
My states insurance jobs-
* licensing bail bondsmen
* overseeing motor clubs and collection agencies
* protecting consumers from fraud and illegal behavior with a staff of sworn law enforcement officers in our Investigations Division
* educating consumers about safety issues such as child safety seats, fire protection, natural disaster preparation and other family safety issues
* interpreting the state’s building codes and suggesting new and improved codes to further protect citizens
* obtaining and maintaining insurance coverage for all state-owned buildings campuses of the state university system.
* assisting the elderly and others with Medicare and Medicaid questions through our nationally recognized Seniors’ Health Insurance Information Program
Overall, we strive to provide high quality service to consumers across the state.
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This is just part of the thousands of jobs our state knows it will lose, not to mention the billions of dollars the feds will control.
Ramcare, if passed as it is,
will have states more divisive since or during the Civil War.
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I bet old Abe never thought a black man would have a house divided against itself.
re: 49 Marc don’t count on SCOTUS to save us. I made that mistake with McCain/Feingold; Bush should have vetoed that monstrosity but he (at best) “knew” that SCOTUS would kill it. How’d that work out?
No, we’re in for it now. When they pass this it gives them, as they have admitted, all the control necessary to push farther and faster. Look at the decrees that the EPA is going to make regarding cap and trade; no congress necessary. Once this crock is in place the bureaucrats and czars will immediately be turned loose on anything that can remotely be considered health related. AND, this kind of crap doesn’t have to wait for years like some of the provisions. Once the feds are paying the piper it gives them the right to call the tune. Look at the mandates put on states if you don’t believe me.
What you eat? HEALTH RELATED!!
Amount you exercize? HEALTH RELATED!
Do you keep a dangerous tool in the home (aka gun)? HEALTH RELATED!
What do you drink? HEALTH RELATED!
What and where do you drive? HEALTH RELATED!
And HEALTH RELATED means that the feds get to control you one way or another. Don’t buy insurance; fines and jail.
They won’t even have to do this directly, they’ll work it through regulations on industries just like the stealth take over of insurance companies. That’s the “beauty” of corporatism. Big Business is great for the state cause the state can control them with carrots and sticks much easier than they can small businesses. Pile on the regulations so that no one can challenge the behemoths that are dependent on the state and you’re home free. Why / how do you think big pharma and big insurance got on board with this abomination? It basically grants them a government controlled monopoly where as long as they suck up to Washington and don’t mind being made the villian as needed they’ll make out like the bandits they are. They are the “soldiers and under-bosses” of the fascist mafia that Obama is imposing on us all.
“…an incremental overhaul…”
If only. Our ruling class, it seems, are satisfied with nothing less than comprehensive (how many times have you heard from one of them that it just makes no sense to do things in piecemeal fashion?). So, they fashion bills that are hundreds or thousands of pages long and so dense and convoluted no one’s really sure what’s in them, and then once they become the law of the land, these SOBs wash their hands of the matter and turn us over to the untender mercies of the faceless, nameless, unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats who design and promulgate the rules and regs that can make our lives living hells.
There’s much to be said for an incremental approach. For one thing, at each step you can re-evaluate the steps taken before and make necessary corrections. I for one am sick and tired of having to live with all of Washington’s “unintended consequences.” Enough.
Will tune in with you next week—AFTER the health care bill has passed. Oh, by the way, how many times did your GOP lap dog Bear interrupt Bush? ZERO. You wouldn’t know objectivity or journalistic integrity if it came up and bit you on the butt. Pathetic.
“What keeps Obama up at night is the House health care vote, member by member by member by member. Heaven help us.”
We are thankful Obama has the right priorities and fights those who name the Heavens but rather have us in Hell.
If you haven’t tried Medicare, you don’t know what “relief” is.
57. Maybe because Bush, despite his poor coherence, didn’t dodge questions and filibuster to obfuscate his positions or agenda.
Was the ‘don’t feed the troll’ link supposed to be in .57′s comment? LMAO!
55. AlanC,
Don’t forget ‘sex’! HEALTH related!
Is Jon (comment #1) sentient? How can an opinion be unbiased? Perhaps Jon should work on his troglodytic vocabulary rather than publishing nonsense.
Why the surprise at all the social chaos we are witnessing from the Minority Quota president?? Throughout history communists everywhere have always kept their populations in uproars. Those leaders who rise to lead anti-government protests are quickly defined, all the better for the Marxist sitting in power to identify their opponents so that they can kill them later. Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, all fomented civil war among their own people to cull the population and clear the deck. I predict that in two years Pajamasmedia will not exist anymore, because the Marxists will have moved to seized all forms of communication, television, print, and most importantly the Internet. Mcain shares some blame, he should have stepped aside and supported a younger person for president instead of himself. Mcain played scared whitey nice against his black muslim opponent and he lost. With health care Republicans are behaving with civility by playing by the rules even while they lose the country to Muslim Marxists. Conservatives should be proactive rather than reactive every time the enemy opens their mouths, for the simple reason that marxists never play by the rules-so why should we? Marxists subvert Constitutional Law and employ every dirty trick in the book. Marxists are punks who bully there fellow citizens or turn them into fascist collaborators. This health care bill is going to be illegally put into effect by this Muslim Minority Quota president and when does our civil war begin? Are we going to defend the Constitution or not?
> When Baer claimed 18000 for Fox, Obama felt he had to best him with 40000 a day to the White House.
Seems kind of petty, Rog. As long as it’s true, why shouldn’t he mention it?
#64 Darrell – Why not? Because it’s PETTY. He’s the Prez, dammit! He should act like it, not break out the measuring stick. He could’ve made the point by simply saying that he gets a lot of e-mails, too, but, he’s a punk Prez.
Agreed, Marc @ #65. When the president engages in a pissing match with the layfolk, you know he is on shaky ground.
We all know the White House gets lots of e-mails. The question is how many is he getting that state they do not support his initiative to those that do?
ny chance this will be available on Roku? Or does Hulu see the Roku-Netflix connection as a competitive threat?
A genuinely interesting examine, I may not concur completely, but you do make some really valid points.