Michael quotes Groucho. We’re at another turning point.
In short, as the president’s critics are rightly reminding him, more time has passed since 9/11 than transpired between Pearl Harbor and the surrender of the Japanese empire, and our most lethal enemies are still in power and still killing our people and our friends. It is good that the desire for freedom is now manifest among the oppressed peoples of the Middle East and Central Asia, and it is very good that dramatic strides toward self-government have been taken by the Georgians, Kyrgistanis, Ukrainians, Iraqis, and Lebanese. But it is not good enough. Indeed, it is shameful that we have yet to seriously challenge the legitimacy of the terror masters in Tehran and Damascus, who represent the keystone of the terrorist edifice.
Our enemies know this, because, to their delight and perhaps their surprise as well, they are still in power throughout the Middle East. Until and unless they are removed, the terror war will continue, our friends in the region will be killed, tortured, and incarcerated, and the president’s vision of regional democratic revolution will go down the memory hole. He is at yet another great turning point, and, as after the fall of Afghanistan and again after the defenestration of Saddam’s Baghdad, he is drifting, perhaps hoping that he has risked enough, that history is firmly on his side, and even – although it is hard to imagine – that the Europeans are helping the spread of freedom.
It is not so. In matters of war, peace, and revolution, winners are characterized by the constancy of their vision and the relentlessness of their pursuit of it. The French, Germans, and British are trying to restrain the revolution, not to encourage it, as their pathetic vaudeville-style negotiations with Iran abundantly demonstrate. One expects to hear one of their foreign ministers on the evening news, pronouncing Groucho’s immortal words: “I got principles. And if you don’t like ‘em, I got other principles…”
[Is the secret word "Faster, please!"?-ed. No, that's two words.]
UPDATE: To be clear, although Michael is my friend, I am an agnostic on whether we are applying the proper amount of pressure on Syria and Iran, because I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. [Are you an agnostic on everything?-ed. Well, no. Like Michael I absolutely love the Marx Brothers!] That said, I would like to point to the truism that the best defense is a good offense.
We could always try the Russian’s Chechnya example and just flatten whole countries. I bet that would work.
What is conveniently forgot is how long it actually took to get Japan and Germany back from the darkside. Me, I prefer the cold war scenario instead of Chechnya.
Bush looks to outlast the competition, Chirac, Schroeder, Martin and the others that are on the wrong side of right. The persistence of the Iraqis as they fight the final battles for their freedom, that should make us all smile — once out of the bottle, freedom doesn’t go back in easily.
We’ll see what history has to say about it all.
From all I have read and heard, even the Iranian democratic opposition wants the country to acquire nuclear power, and nuclear weapons, not least because Pakistan has both. The best that can be done here is to slow this development down, so that Iran won’t go for the nukes right away, and that yb the time it has got them it will be a democratic country. If he wants to be upset about somebody, he might better be it over Putin, who is selling them whole reactors.
Btw, I think that all that can be done about the Mullahs is being done right now.
While Iím sympathetic to what Ledeen has to say, it would be helpful if he could make some serious proposals about what he thinks Bush should actually do. I get the impression he feels that if Bush simply demanded the replacement of the regimes in Iran and Syria that they would somehow be deposed. The first President Bush encouraged the Iraqi people to rise up against Saddam, then stood by while they were slaughtered.
Unless we have the strength and the will to support any insurrection in these countries, we should refrain from encouraging them to rebel. I think itís clear that we do not have that strength and will. Half the population of this country opposes this war, along with virtually the entire MSM. In that light itís remarkable that Bush has accomplished as much as he has.
This is a war on many fronts. The Middle Eastern front is arguably one of the less important ones. What happens here in America will determine what happens elsewhere, and on the domestic front we are not doing especially well.
I agree with flenser. Michael Ledeen’s clarity and depth notwithstanding, we probably can’t go far wrong concentrating on helping Iraq consolidate, on the idea that several vulnerable democracies are not going to do for the region what one very robust one will. At this point in time, that is.
Right-o, the update on the ‘behind-the-scenes’…we’re certainly kibbitzing here, on a topic where we would be quite nonplussed to be privy to all the info we wish we had. Hmm…that made sense for a minute there….
I think things are evolving nicely. It seems to follow the script of the old “Magnificent Seven” Western. The village has learned to fight for itself and knows other good souls are willing to fight on it’s behalf.
Micheal’s article talks to the pace of change and the spreading of democracy. How do you spread democracy? Do you create an American empire to foster it’s growth? Or do you, as words described 89 years ago stated… pass the torch from failing hands?
Democracy will come from within. It will be tempered by the heat of battle. I expect Iraqis, having savoured the taste of freedom, will want more of it. Common sense will prevail in the end.
The rest of the Middle East is watching. The torch won’t be going out. That light will shine through to dawn’s early light.
I am pretty much in line with flenser here. We certainly have the power to do much, but we lack the political will. Until there is a general consensus that our country is worth defending little more can be done. It seem to me that too large a segment of the population thinks that the US in its present form needs to be destroyed, its democracy curbed, and a priviledged elite given yet more unaccountable priviledge and power so they can do things for our own good. This domestic struggle is coming to the fore and I expect it to be the most visible conflict over the next decade or two.
I strongly disagree with Michael Ledeenís pessimism. It is simply amazing how much has already been accomplished. There is no indication that things are getting worse. On the contrary, Syriaís Baath Party is starting to lose power. We have won the war in Iraq. The rest of the tyrants of the Middle East realize that their days are numbered.
No, Buddy, you do make sense. It would be easier to trust that those back channels etc. are being used vigorously if some of the front-channel action was less ambiguous, though.
However, comparisons between the WoT and WWII etc. are best taken with a shaker of salt and roasted medium rare; there are far more significant differences than similarities.
This is the “long haul”; get used to it.
But the underlying concern that despite all promises and rhetoric the Administration, not to mention the country, will lose focus is valid. Maybe another year or two of MSM-defying progress in Iraq and its neighbourhood will help keep spines stiff and eyes on the prize(s).
I think my criticism of the Bush administration, for what it’s worth (easy for me to criticize!) would center less on a need to do more militarily, or to proclaim abroad still more loudly and more often our support for democracy, than on an effort to explain to the American people, repeatedly and much more clearly, who the enemy are and what we are fighting to preserve.
It is in this realm that I feel Bush has failed, though his actual policy speeches have been quite good.
I was encouraged to hear him answer a transparently hostile reporter’s question about the Amnesty International characterization of our “new Gulag” as exactly what it is, absurd.”
Jamie Irons
Mr. Ledeen probably has some valid criticisms.
Like Brian H. I agree that comparisons of the GWoT to WWII (or any other war) are not particularly useful. It is far too different a struggle and Mr. Ledeen should know that. Just to toss out an example, with a population roughly half of what we have today the US, in WWII, lost more merchant marine seamen than we have lost total people so far in the GWoT.
In WWII roughly 9% of the population wound up serving in uniform. Everyone had basic goods and services rationed. The basic idea that we all have a right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” was suspended for the duration. And even when the war finally ended in both theaters it took months just to bring the excess troops back home and to this day we have troops in the countries we occupied.
How does one go about fighting “total war” against terrorists and terror sponsoring nations? Do we level them until they can’t continue to fight any longer and their surrounding populations are so cowed and brutalized that there is no longer any capability to continue?
WWII was then, this is now. As Brian said, this is the long haul. We here in the US need to thank our lucky stars that we don’t have to wage a “total” war.
Jamie Irons,
Re: repeatedly and clearly explaining to the nation… I still fail to see how that is possible when the nation’s media is completely hostile.
No doubt the administration could do “better” but how much better in the face of non-stop negativity and obstructionist drum-beating is open to some question.
Of course, I meant to write:
…as exactly what it is, “absurd.”
Jamie Irons
I saw that moment just now, Jamie…it was good, alright. Pretty good little press session there, for the prez, I thought. I liked the ‘like water running over rock’ metaphor, wrt how he sees his bully pulpit on such contentious issues as SocSec.
Knucklehead:
You wrote:
I still fail to see how [making a case to the American people about the WOT] is possible when the nation’s media is completely hostile.
I know what you mean, and am sympathetic to your point of view, but I wonder whether the media’s clear hostility could not be turned against it, in a kind of political jiu-jitsu.
Again, I thought Bush did pretty well this morning in turning back the reporter’s hostile “Gulag” question.
Surely the Republicans have a few articulate spokespersons who can get out in front of the President and make these matters clearer to the population as a whole. I have no doubt the jihadists have every intention of detonating a nuclear weapon in one of our cities, if they can get their hands on one. The people need to understand what this would mean. Those who explain the threats do not need to be alarmist, just clear and, as far as is possible, accurate.
Jamie Irons
Buddy,
You wrote:
I liked the ‘like water running over rock’ metaphor, wrt how he sees his bully pulpit on such contentious issues as SocSec.
I missed the part with that metaphor somehow. Was he quoting the old Latin tag (IIRC):
Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo.
That would be just like him!
Jamie Irons
Whilst I think the Aministration has failed getting its message accross,I accept that the main outlets for disseminating that message are opposed the whole Middle East Strategy of the Administration.
From this side of the pond it appears that the messenger is also a problem,the anti-Bush crowd will simply just not believe anything the President says,this seems to be the case in the US as well.
Tack onto that anti-Americanism,anti-semitism and anti-Republicanism the result is a morass of prejudice that has to be overcome before the message even gets a fair hearing.
As a supporter,I find it most frustrating that a true picture is not being portrayed in the MSM,what is neeeded is propaganda,can’t you make someone in the MSM a better deal than the Saudis?
I noticed a reference to 50-50 split above wrt support for the war. The figure is probably drawn from a poll or a series of polls commissioned and paid for by MSM organizations. The only poll that counts was held in November and the President’s party now has 55% of the legislature and 100% of the Presidency.
W has three years in which to unveil and execute his strategy for completing what he can of the WoT. He won’t be using the MSM to unveil it because they’re on the other side. I expect that it will become clear through actions rather than speeches. W has run his last election and managed dealing with the oppositional press quite well – to their dismay. He certainly achieved his primary goal and more.
The MSM is going to continue to use the polls that they manage to create “news” that is anti freedom and liberty until there’s another Dem in the WH. It’s just not going to change.
The biggest debilitating and dangerous factor going forward is going to be McCain’s dash to the undifferentiated muddle from one direction and Hillary’s from the other. The jackassery that those two get up to is almost as dangerous as the ant-Americanism of the MSM.
Jamie, that’s it, ‘not force, but persistance’ was his spirit in the saying.
Peter, re your valid appreciation of the sad but true value of the propaganda style, these guys I think are trying to avoid the ‘soft bigotry of low expectations’. Betrays a certain confidence, and not without some electoral evidence, in ‘the people’. This is good in the long run, I think. Or, I should say, I hope.
In medical parlance, the Islamists are an opportunistic infection, taking advantage of our weakened state. Our weakened state is due to the domestic and international Left. Treating the symptom and ignoring the underlying disease is unproductive at best, fatal at worst. Even if we successfully deal with the Islamist movement, successors will keep arising, e.g. N Korea or Venezuela.
I have seen little serious discussion of what it is we are fighting against. And none of what we are fighting for.
It is possible that this is due to the inarticulate nature of the Bush administration, but itís equally likely that its because they feel that the task is impossible. That is, that any such clear definition of what we are for and against would alienate more people than it would rally. Ultimately this war will be won or lost depending on whether we can defeat the Left in a propaganda war. Currently that is a battle we are losing.
There is no possible way to compare WWII with the WoT. WWII was basically about defeating governments headquartered in Berlin and Tokyo. There is no such locus in the WoT. There is at present, no responsible authority capable of surrender. It is a war prosecuted by a violent and undisciplined foe, world wide guerilla and terrorist actions waged by radical Islam. There’s no place to flatten as there was in the axis. As was mentioned, it is a long haul war and we are in danger of losing it if the MSM suceeds in poisoning our will to conduct it. We must prevail in Iraq, the terrorists know that and are willing to inflict the maximum in horror and civilian losses to discourage the Iraqi people.
Flenser, I see the same outline, it’s sorta Manichean but what the hell, it’s true. The conflict is about control of the system that runs the planet, and the winner will be whichever side can best define and deliver the necessities of life. The collective has an advantage in that it is empowered by destruction and the promise of the new; the individual has an advantage in that he recognizes a transcending value in life as it is. The battleground is between the mind and the belly, in the heart. The strategy is to find and expose the ‘tells’ of the other side. “Tells” are a threat only to that which is hidden.
For one example, spiritual conclusions can be drawn from a ‘tell’ like OFF, which points to the heart of the global collective, and explains the fury over the Bolton nomination.
Buddt,
I have faith in the people,but as I watch the steady infixion of wormwood into the public consciousness I fear that not enough is being done to counter this.
The mythmakers are at work again Abu Ghraib,Gitmo as a Gulag,the successful prosecution of war depends on myths currently the opposition has the monopoly.
We are back with Gramsci once more,the left have mastered the technique,there need be no reminder of Vietnam. The Gary Cooper role suits George Bush,but in the film the audience has the bad guys clearly delineated,in this conflict the edges are being blurred according to the principle of moral equivalence.
Propaganda is not about merely changing what people think, it is about,changing the climate in which certain actions become acceptable.
NEW ROLE FOR PJM AND THE BLOGOS IN THE GWOT
To All:
Dr. Ledeen does have a point but I believe the MSM’s current rooting for the enemy attitude does not foster unity of the American people. GWB can’t say anything right about the GWOT without being deluged with a lot of 20/20 hindsight and handwringing. I’m in Victor Davis Hanson’s camp with regard to our tolerance of mistakes and lack of patience. I should also add the Am LE community in real life doesn’t quite measure up to the standards or drive of Agt. Jack Bauer or his toys.
If the American people were truly informed of the great threat the free world is facing from this cult-like religious ideology of evil and hate of the 12th Century – Islamofascism, we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.
Here’s a reply I just sent to a colleague in the LE community after he read my post re the new policy statement from the International Assn of Chiefs’ of Police (The IACP) re LE role in the War on Terror. He asked what he could personally do.
This has immediate application to PJM and the Blogos. We now have a voice to bring this message directly to the American people. I clued him in on the political blogs that provide info/news that the MSM is not reporting and replied:
Bostonian
The opposition would reply that they, too, are for democracy and against tyranny. They just happen to define Bush as a tyrant.
This may seem nonsensical to us, but a significant slice of America has swallowed this point of view, including a great many of the ëeducatedí class. These are the people for whom the Islamists are heroic freedom fighters, or at least, cannon fodder in the war against Bush. If they lose this source of cannon fodder, donít think they will fail to find more.
Exhibit A.
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010601.php
PeterUK,
Exactly right, everything you say, and this is why some of us hope that PJ Media doesn’t give, out of a well-intentioned sense of fairness and balance, equal space and emphasis to the leftist worldview and spin. The Left already has most of the MSM (here and worldwide), academia, Hollywood, the DNC, Europe, transnational organizations, and our major urban areas, etc. Guess that makes me a partisan (funny how as a centrist I have to call myself a partisan), but if I weren’t one I wouldn’t see a need for another news service, other than to get more ad revenue to bloggers.
(Well, now I see that Ron W is also addressing this same point on some specific issues)
Buddy & PeterUK,
I don’t think it is possible for the President (or anyone else) to “turn the tables” on the Gramscian MSM like a jui-jistu move.
The process of “turning the tables” is ongoing in something that is very similar to “New and Improved” adverts on TV. There will always be some portion of the audience who is somehow effected by the advert but that portion slowly but surely shrinks as fewer and fewer people actually “see” the ad even when they are looking at it and listening to it.
The Gramscian effect can’t be wiped out, only diminished until it finally seems so hopelessly “yesterday” that it loses the power to appeal to enough people to have any hope for success.
I think the process is moving forward but, unfortunately, it can’t happen quickly. Interestingly enough I saw some commentary (here or elsewhere) claiming that, among other things, the “non” vote by the French was a backlash against their own “MSM” for being so relentlessly pro-qui. If the Euro versions of the MSM start developing cracks and leaks, find some high ground.
Bad Link in my post above.
OOPHS. Time to get glasses out. The second “here” should be:
Link Here
If this doesn’t work here’s the full URL link:
http://www.hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3244
It isn’t a case of turning this around quickly,the job will take more than a generation.It has to be understood that in the liberal left world view right wing is a pejorative term.The technique used is to associate negative impressions with elements of the language,this has been done systematically through the capture of linguistics.
The word conservative is used extensively by the BBC, for example,in association with a myriad psychopathic regimes,whereas progressive is linked to sugar and spice and all things nice,Mao was a progressive.
By deconstructing language all can be inverted,all I’m saying is that compared to the left the right is way behind on all this.
A recent example “misshandling” a book is tantamount to torture”,Thats how it is done.
Flenser, I agree with your latter assessment.
Because one side of this debate has co-opted the language, it is very difficult to air the actual argument. You cannot have a rational discussion of terrorism and its causes with people who think that the 9/11 hijackers had legitimate political complaints.
Good stuff on the language, folks. If it organizes, it also disorganizes. Bostonian, your last line, that’s exactrly why the big collective snort over Bush 911′s ‘pick your side’ challenge. Because it was–is–exactly true. If only there was some explanation, other than emotional-development-arrest, for this fear of truth.
Buddy,
Truth is subjective and open to interpretation,there is no history only individual versions of the narrative.If this is true,then there is nothing worth fighting for.
That is how much ground the right has lost.
Peter, yes, the priceless freedom of the boomer ‘me decade’ had a cost after all, and you’re talking about it. This country must’ve looked like a naked virgin to Stalin in the 50s. How’d that happen? We were hiring profs we shoulda been hanging instead. But, that wouldn’t be liberty.
Ron W, good links, lots to digest–thanks!
Herbert Marcuse was one of the most prominent Frankfurt School promoters of Critical Theory’s social revolution among college and university students in the 1960s. It is instructive to review what he has written on the subject:
“One can rightfully speak of a cultural revolution, since the protest is directed toward the
whole cultural establishment, including the morality of existing society …
there is one thing we can say with complete assurance. The traditional idea of revolution
and the traditional strategy of revolution have ended. These ideas are old-fashioned …
what we must undertake is a type of diffuse and dispersed disintegration of the system.”
Needs no explanation!
At least some of the enemy are beginning to identify themselve,via LGF
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18223
Jeez, thanks for the blood-boil:
Mohammad Basirul Haq Sinha: “You often call for uniting Muslim and progressive forces globally. How far is it possible under current situation?”
Galloway: “Not only do I think it’s possible but I think it is vitally necessary and I think it is happening already. It is possible because the progressi ve movement around the world and the Muslims have the same enemies. Their enemies are the Zionist occupation, American occupation, British occupation of poor countries mainly Muslim countries. They have the same interest in opposing savage capitalist globalization which is intent upon homogenizing the entire world turning us basically into factory chickens which can be forced fed the American diet of everything from food to Coca-Cola to movies and TV culture. And whose only role in life is to consume the things produced endlessly by the multinational corporations. And the progressive organizations & movements agree on that with the Muslims.”
Man, you’d think this guy wouldn’t be one to get rich stealing food from babies.
Be nice if someone would ask him the diff between eating from the capitalist trough, and the formerly endemic condition in much of the world, ‘not eating’?
I agree with flenser. Ladeen is dreaming if he thinks Bush can push this any harder than he has.
One obvious reason is that in WW2 there were no doubts that we were at war. A lot of people out there consider the war on Terror to be bogus.
As for Galloway, exactly how did he get the money to buy that private villa in Portugal anyway? For a freaking commie he just likes to live high on the hog. But then again this is a man who mourned the Soviet Union [which invaded anyone and everyone they damn well felt like invading without so much as a kiss my ass] while at the same time he goes after the US and the UK for an illegal war. Illegal would be a good word to describe the entire existence of the USSR. The lying little toad.
And the use of words like Gulag can work against them also. Millions of people died in the gulags, including something like 600,000 Japnese pow’s. I know these guys like to reach, but it reaches the surreal with comparisons like that. People might actually start to hear about the Soviet gulags and realize that Stalin was not the wonderful human being guys like Galloway seem to think he was.
It is sad that the Amnesty of the 70′s and 80′s has turned into this. They were tough on the US then, but by and large they were fair and grounded in reality.
Right vs. wrong, and good vs. evil.
Buddy,
Hey thanks for the good word.
It’s obvious I support the current administration because it has the correct message on the GWOT. But this is not to say I don’t take exception with some of the religious right’s positions. Is this war being executed well? No. Can we do better? Yes. We are “whooping butt” on the ground but as observed here, we are soft on message. I fault the MSM for this.
There are certain moral absolutes in this world. Our founding fathers had the foresight to include these inalienable rights in our Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the US Constitution.
Right vs. wrong, and good vs. evil.
Islamofascism (a relic of the 12th Century) is wrong on all these points and is no different than other failed ideologies of history – Fascism, Nazism, and Communism. It’s a matter of which ideology overtime can meet the needs of its followers and as well control the tyranny of those who govern or rule. We will ultimately win but how long will it take and at what price?
Bottom line this Country is a war!
We can leave the partisan politics for later to debate ad infinitum. If we loose this war we won’t have the FREEDOM to have this debate. This is what is at stake here.
I’m tired of hearing the Euro weenies talking trash about our cowboy transgressions. Bottom line is our country is hands down more inclusive, tolerant and less class stratified/elitist than most European societies. Besides the vetoes from our “friends” on the UNSC (France, Russia, and China) we’re all feeding off Saddam’s UN Oil for Food scandal in that order based on the total money received from the vouchers. What hypocrites!
BTW this site and a newly formed Iraqi newspaper got the ball rolling. The MSM got to the party a year late only because the truth was already leaking out in the Internet and the Blogos.
My point is we can empower the American people to collectively take action to end this war quickly- e.g. Minutemen and the border. The MSM has abdicated its fundamental journalistic responsibility our founding fathers gave it in the First Amendment.
The MSM is no longer relevant. The Internet and the Blogos now have the ability to communicate the news/info of the day.
Do what you can to support and spread the word re the Iranian people will topple the Iranian theocracy if they know they have the moral support of the free world. (www.regime changeiran.com). We may be witnessing history’s first digital revolution.
Here’s the latest from this so-called religion of peace or what it’s followers would have you believe who use it to subvert/control/terrorize the people:
Frontpage Link Here
This is getting too long winded here so I’ll quit now. BTW for the House of Saud – see my several comments starting here in this thread at RLS
Link Here
Right vs. wrong, and good vs. evil.
Buddy,
Hey thanks for the good word.
It’s obvious I support the current administration because it has the correct message on the GWOT. But this is not to say I don’t take exception with some of the religious right’s positions. Is this war being executed well? No. Can we do better? Yes. We are “whooping butt” on the ground but as observed here, we are soft on message. I fault the MSM for this.
There are certain moral absolutes in this world. Our founding fathers had the foresight to include these inalienable rights in our Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the US Constitution.
Right vs. wrong, and good vs. evil.
Islamofascism (a relic of the 12th Century) is wrong on all these points and is no different than other failed ideologies of history – Fascism, Nazism, and Communism. It’s a matter of which ideology overtime can meet the needs of its followers and as well control the tyranny of those who govern or rule. We will ultimately win but how long will it take and at what price?
Bottom line this Country is a war!
We can leave the partisan politics for later to debate ad infinitum. If we loose this war we won’t have the FREEDOM to have this debate. This is what is at stake here.
I’m tired of hearing the Euro weenies talking trash about our cowboy transgressions. Bottom line is our country is hands down more inclusive, tolerant and less class stratified/elitist than most European societies. Besides the vetoes from our “friends” on the UNSC (France, Russia, and China) we’re all feeding off Saddam’s UN Oil for Food scandal in that order based on the total money received from the vouchers. What hypocrites!
BTW this site and a newly formed Iraqi newspaper got the ball rolling. The MSM got to the party a year late only because the truth was already leaking out in the Internet and the Blogos.
My point is we can empower the American people to collectively take action to end this war quickly- e.g. Minutemen and the border. The MSM has abdicated its fundamental journalistic responsibility our founding fathers gave it in the First Amendment.
The MSM is no longer relevant. The Internet and the Blogos now have the ability to communicate the news/info of the day.
Do what you can to support and spread the word re the Iranian people will topple the Iranian theocracy if they know they have the moral support of the free world (www.regime changeiran.com). We may be witnessing history’s first digital revolution.
Here’s the latest from this so-called religion of peace or what it’s followers would have you believe who use it to subvert/control/terrorize the people:
Frontpage Link Here
I’m sorry our “gulag” does not compare with the atrocities committed by these despotic theocratic regimes in the name of a religion. Hitler tried to do the same thing for his Third Reich. Does have a stench to it when the ovens were found. Why hasn’t the MSM given like coverage to the mass graves that turn up on a regular basis in these so called enlightened countries?
This is getting too long winded here so I’ll quit now. BTW for the House of Saud – see my several comments starting here in this thread at RLS
Link Here
Right vs. wrong, and good vs. evil.
Buddy,
Hey thanks for the good word.
It’s obvious I support the current administration because it has the correct message on the GWOT. But this is not to say I don’t take exception with some of the religious right’s positions. Is this war being executed well? No. Can we do better? Yes. We are “whooping butt” on the ground but as observed here, we are soft on message. I fault the MSM for this.
There are certain moral absolutes in this world. Our founding fathers had the foresight to include these inalienable rights in our Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the US Constitution.
Right vs. wrong, and good vs. evil.
Islamofascism (a relic of the 12th Century) is wrong on all these points and is no different than other failed ideologies of history – Fascism, Nazism, and Communism. It’s a matter of which ideology overtime can meet the needs of its followers and as well control the tyranny of those who govern or rule. We will ultimately win but how long will it take and at what price?
Bottom line this Country is a war!
We can leave the partisan politics for later to debate ad infinitum. If we loose this war we won’t have the FREEDOM to have this debate. This is what is at stake here.
I’m tired of hearing the Euro weenies talking trash about our cowboy transgressions. Bottom line is our country is hands down more inclusive, tolerant and less class stratified/elitist than most European societies. Besides the vetoes from our “friends” on the UNSC (France, Russia, and China) we’re all feeding off Saddam’s UN Oil for Food scandal in that order based on the total money received from the vouchers. What hypocrites!
BTW this site and a newly formed Iraqi newspaper got the ball rolling. The MSM got to the party a year late only because the truth was already leaking out in the Internet and the Blogos.
My point is we can empower the American people to collectively take action to end this war quickly- e.g. Minutemen and the border. The MSM has abdicated its fundamental journalistic responsibility our founding fathers gave it in the First Amendment.
The MSM is no longer relevant. The Internet and the Blogos now have the ability to communicate the news/info of the day. I’m sorry our “gulag” does not compare with the atrocities committed by these despotic theocratic regimes in the name of religion. Hitler tried to do the same thing for his Third Reich. Does have a stench to it when the ovens were found. Why hasn’t the MSM given like coverage to the mass graves that turn up on a regular basis in these so called enlightened countries.
Do what you can to support and spread the word re the Iranian people will topple the Iranian theocracy if they know they have the moral support of the free world. (www.regime changeiran.com). We may be witnessing history’s first digital revolution.
Here’s the latest from this so-called religion of peace or what it’s followers would have you believe who use it to subvert/control/terrorize the people:
Frontpage Link Here
This is getting too long winded here so I’ll quit now. BTW for the House of Saud – see my several comments starting here in this thread at RLS
Link Here
Hey pardon me for the multiple posts.
I thought RLS’s site was down as I was getting “bounced” out when I tried to post. I was just fixing to send Roger an e when I noticed.
I’m very sorry. Maybe Roger will take pitty on me and delete the extra posts.
I’ll drop some coins in the tip jar to cover the bandwidth.
BTW the third one probably has all the typos fixed and has a nice piece about Hitler’s ovens and our “gulag.”
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