Is it “end-game” time in the debate over what to do with American health care? The other day, some industrious blogger — it might have been the Drudge Report — posted an amusing list of headlines from the past year or so, each announcing that, at long last, we’d reached the “end game” in the debate over health. Just yesterday, President Obama said again that “the time to talk” was over: the time to vote had come.
He didn’t really mean that, of course, because were a vote taken now, his plan to have the government usurp a sixth of the U.S. economy and institute top-down socialized medicine in the Unite States would fail.
As a result, Team Obama has been exerting the old cerebellum to discover some way of passing the Democrats’ health care bill without, you know, precisely passing it. Even if you question their ethics, you have to admire their ingenuity. Last month it was “reconciliation”: that administrative tool was all the rage. A technique used to patch over budgetary anomalies was going to be hauled in to revolutionize a major social program that had no bipartisan support whatsoever.
That wasn’t going down with the public too well. So although reconciliation is still on the table (or, rather, up the Reid-Pelosi sleeve) the latest wheeze is “The Slaughter Solution,” named for Rep. Louise Slaughter (NY, “D,” of course). Would you like to enact some legislation without the inconvenience (to say noting of the accountability) of actually voting for it? The Washington Examiner explains how you can do it:
In the Slaughter Solution, the rule would declare that the House “deems” the Senate version of Obamacare to have been passed by the House. House members would still have to vote on whether to accept the rule, but they would then be able to say they only voted for a rule, not for the bill itself.
George Orwell, wouldst that you were here to witness this!
“Would that rationale fly with the public?” asks the Examiner. “Is it logical? Of course not. But remember, these folks have persuaded themselves that a majority of the American people really want Obamacare.”
Except, of course, that they don’t: as of last week 53 percent oppose the plan.
Among the greatest ironies of our time is the name “Democratic Party.” Nowhere else in politics — not even among the outright Communists — can one find such disdain for the democratic processes and procedures the Founders instituted to protect freedom from the designs of too-clever men.
An Andrew Klavan video of some weeks ago rightly characterized the Democrats’ response to any sort of dissension or criticism as “Shut Up.” That’s a perfect summary of their rhetorical stance — and it’s perfectly emblematic of their attitude toward the American people and the American constitutional system. If there’s an entry in the Guinness Book of World Records for “Highest Observed Arrogance,” the corporate record holder can only be the Democratic Party of the United States.
so the Democrats are going to Slaughter to implement Death Panels. Makes sense. Perverse. but makes sense.
Maybe the rest of us mere citizens should just “deem” the November elections to have already happened and all Democrats replaced by anybody but another Democrat. That would be also be a fundamental transformation and would have the substantial advantage of being an improvement.
Francis is correct, there is no democracy in the “Democratic” party. Just replay in your mind the way Obama got to be their nominee in 2008 to prove the point. Maybe they should rename themselves the “Drop Dead” Party to more accurately their attitude about us… as well as our attitude about them.
Today there is only the Socialist Progressive Marxist DEMOCRAT Party, and there is nothing democratic about the totalitarian mindset of the Democrat THUGS in Congress.
The only solution is to PURGE them from power this year in November and finish the job in 2012, never again making the MISTAKE of electing Socialists, Progressives or Marxists to political office in the United States of America.
Damn the BASTARDS!
This makes me sick! Yesterday I started up a facebook group to spread the word about this so-called Slaughter Solution. Thank you for writing about this issue in your blog. We need to raise awareness about what is going on in congress and CONTACT OUR REPRESENTATIVES. That may be the only way to stop the craziness. If you’re on Facebook, I urge you to join my group – Slaughter Solution Awareness – and invite your friends to do the same. My main goal is to move people to action, which is why I’ve included the link to contact your representative on the page.
http://www.facebook.com/group……774482482#!/group.php?v=wall&ref=mf&gid=359774482482
This speaks volumes:
Percentage of each past president’s cabinet who had worked in the private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet.
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T. Roosevelt…….. 38%
Taft………………. 40%
Wilson …………….. 52%
Harding……………49%
Coolidge………….. 48%
Hoover…………….. 42%
F. Roosevelt……… 50%
Truman…………….. 50%
Eisenhower………. 57%
Kennedy………….. 30%
Johnson……………. 47%
Nixon………………. 53%
Ford………………… 42%
Carter……………… 32%
Reagan…………….. 56%
GH Bush………….. 51%
Clinton …………… 39%
GW Bush………… 55%
Obama…………….8%
“Team Obama has been exerting the old cerebellum…”. well, maybe as it is team obama. however, the cerebellum is more about balance and the cerebrum about intellect. but then it is Obamacare.
Dear Roger,
RE: “…Team Obama has been exerting the old cerebellum to discover some way of passing the Democrats’ health care bill without, you know, precisely passing it.”
It is the cerebral cortex that is the part of the brain involved with critical thinking not the cerebellum. Rather, the cerebellum is involved with balance and with providing one’s sense of position in space.
It occurs to me however, that perhaps your neuroanatomy is correct. The Obama administration is attempting to recover from its peripatetic ataxia through every imaginable acrobatic maneuver. Surely their ilk would give greater credence to cerebellar function (position sense) than to that of the cerebrum (critical thinking).
I congratulate you on your medical acumen.
Cheers,
John
Francis Poretto makes a slight mistake when he says, “Among the greatest ironies of our time is the name ‘Democratic Party.’”. Old line Republicans have always called it the, “Democrat Party”, democrat being something of a slur in post_revolutionary War politics meaning someone who panders shamelessly to the masses.
It certainly is that.
“usurp a sixth of the U.S. economy and institute top-down socialized medicine in the Unite States”
Top-down socialized medicine? There’s not even a public option in the bill. Health insurance will still be provided by private insurance companies. Why do you insist on fictionalizing the contents of the bill? Are you ignorant, or just a liar?
“Obama…………….8%”
Hillary Clinton: Worked in private practice as a lawyer
Tim Geithner: Worked for a consulting firm
Robert Gates: Can’t find anything, although he has served on a number of corporate boards
Eric Holder: Worked in private practice as a lawyer
Ken Salazar: Worked in private practice as a lawyer
Tom Vilsack: Worked in private practice as a lawyer
Gary Locke: Can’t find anything
Hilda Solis: Can’t find anything
Kathleen Sebelius: Can’t find anything, although she *might* have been a trial lawyer at some point
Shaun Donovan: Can’t find anything
Ray LaHood: Can’t find anything
Stephen Chu: Worked at Bell Labs
Arne Duncan: Can’t find anything, unless you count professional basketball in Australia (I don’t)
Eric Shinseki: Can’t find anything (although you can’t really condemn someone for being a career military officer)
Janet Napolitano: Can’t find anything
So, I count 40%.
Quoting Pelosi for something “National Journal’s Congress Daily” said in the link Washington Post article is the reason why people are confused all the time.
Taking information and making it something different is just wrong.
I am an American, and I do very much want this bill to pass. I’d prefer it to be single-payer, or at least have the public option, but I’ll take this.
I’d take the plan if the powers that be promise that the death panels will be very effective, and that they will have none of the silly politization of medical care that we saw earlier this year with the new mammogram recommendations.
Otherwise, we can’t afford the entitlements we’ve already got. Medicare and Medicaid do not pay physicians well enough to carry the current burden–adding new patients at or near the government’s current cost structure will only make things worse. And to make the new health care plan “cost neutral”,
The uninsured already have options for primary care: federally qualified health clinics, free clinics, and discounts and charity from current providers.
To those who would say that we already ration health care now: I agree. It is far more honest than rationing based on political connections.
To those who dislike the current system: I agree, and I think McCain had the more honest plan in 2008.
@11: Francis Porretto has made no mistake; he calls people and organizations by the names they’ve chosen for themselves, in keeping with the American tradition that a man’s name is what he says it is.
Also, Francis Porretto takes exception to having his name misspelled, especially when the correct spelling is staring the offender in the face.
Finally, Francis Porretto sees no warrant for referring to him in the third person when he’s right BLEEP!ing here, cleaning all his guns as the voices ordered him.
Yours,
Francis W. Porretto
Curmudgeon Emeritus to the World Wide Web
Eternity Road
The Obama cabinent private sector % is further elaborated by the author below who acknowledged his sources did not accurately list all experince held by the subjects. Regardless, Team O is light on the private sector, undoubtedly many disdain the private sector, and they’ve frankly screwed the private sector.
“What I was really trying to get at was some kind of completely, 100 percent subjective assessment of whether or not a person had had enough control of payroll, dealing with shareholders, hiring, firing and risk-taking that they’d be in a position to have had a meaningful seat at the table when the issue being discussed is job creation,” Cembalest said.
Cembalest said he has “written 250,000 words in research over the last decade, and every single thing I’ve ever done — except this one chart — was empirically based on data from the Federal Reserve” or another official source. “This is the one time I stepped out into making judgment calls, and I assure you I won’t do it again. … The frightening thing about the Internet is that people copy one chart from what you write and then it goes viral. So I’ve learned a lesson here that these kinds of issues are best left addressed by the people who practice them day in and day out.” http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/02/glenn-beck/beck-says-less-10-percent-obama-cabinet-members-ha/
“George Orwell, wouldst that you were here to witness this!”
The old socialist would be applauding!
Gee, now I’m even being “moderated” out of Colonel Blimp’s thread! Guess you just can’t defend the indefensible. Well, enjoy your right wingnut circle-jerk, boys.
There’s a fairly easy way to stop the Slaughter Solution.
Look at it this way… the House Obamacrats are trying desperately to find some political cover so they can avoid admitting that they voted on ObamaCare.
So, just call or email your representatives and tell them this:
“I’m not falling for the bait-and-switch. I will consider a yea vote on the Slaughter Rule to be the same as a yea vote on ObamaCare as a whole, and will base my vote in November on that.”
That should send the House Obamacrats scurrying into their dark holes again.
Working as a lawyer is not always the same as working in the private business sector.
I’d like to amend my remarks above…
Those of us who oppose this should tell our Representatives that a yea vote on the Slaughter rule will be seen as worse than a yea vote on ObamaCare, because of the dishonesty of this approach.
22. And the best part is that the Slaughter Solution would be tossed out by the Supreme Court on procedural bills- a bill that didn’t technically pass the House cannot be signed into law.
“Maybe the rest of us mere citizens should just “deem” the November elections to have already happened and all Democrats replaced by anybody but another Democrat. That would be also be a fundamental transformation and would have the substantial advantage of being an improvement.”
I agree with this. They want to “slaughter,” our Constitution. Can’t we just do what George Washington did? Pick up guns, and go after them. It would be much more fun than the court route.
#24 Conservative Wanderer:
“Those of us who oppose this should tell our Representatives that a yea vote on the Slaughter rule will be seen as worse than a yea vote on ObamaCare, because of the dishonesty of this approach.”
Y’know, I’m not entirely sure that contacting them anymore would really matter.
It certainly appears that they’ve resigned themselves to the coming electoral Obamageddon, and thus, like so many Peoples’ Temple cultists, are jostling each other so as not to lose their place in line to drink the Pelosi Punch out of the converted oil drum.
If a congressperson is resigned to being voted out of office anyway, I don;t see where any further advisories would do any good…and the law proscribes us from threatening to burn their house down AFTER we vote them out of office.
Maybe we can threaten them that if they vote, in any way, to pass HCR->Public Option->Single Paya->Socialist UtopiaCare, we will then send Mr. Francis W. Porretto around to shoot their pets?
Why not immediately form the Republic of Southeastern Guadalcanal and have its unicameral legislature,(a single representative) unanimously vote to “deem” that Pelosi is with child by Obama and the resultant “man of sin”, because “it” is not a citizen, will be unable to hold political office in SE Guadalcanal unless and until the putative father proves his US citizenship, and Pelosi’s stands on homosexual conduct and abortion are approved by the Vatican and disapproved by the child’s godparents, Ms. and Mr. Clinton.
El Chip can neither write nor count.
Another Obama appointee?
(((((((((don’t be silent ))))))
CONTACT your congressman – contact both sides of the isle!!!!
simply go to this site: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
– Select your state, and input your Zip (+4)
– Click on your Reps. name (that pops up)
This will take you directly to their website.
– Every Rep’s site has phone numbers if you want to call.
– Every Rep’s site has a tab or link that says “Contact” or “Contact Us”
Do your part – take 5 mintues to Write and remind your house representatives that they took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States…
Encourage them to not be of poor character, but to honestly represent the people and defend the constitution. This should be done despite the issue! If congress is not going to support and defend the Constitution, we the people, will!
Don’t let your silence be viewed as acceptance of this misuse of absolute power (a tyrannical act)
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The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object. (Thomas Jefferson)
(((encourage your friends to do the same – an not be silent this weekend)))
This is stupid to the point of being spooky. The push for this is proof positive that there’s a triumvirate of the maliciously insane leading the democrat party, and due to their majority status, this country. The leadership of the democrat party is attempting an open and blatant attempt to overthrow the Constitution by setting themselves up as an elite unaccountable to anyone other than their leader Barry. They’ve already undermined private property rights to the point of nonexistence without their blessing, taken direct control of a huge chuck of the economy, and now they’re intent on eliminating the right to life itself when they consider it to be a “life unworthy of living”. Is there really anyone who believes in the Constitution that can look at this and not think it has to end unless they, too, want to see a totalitarian state replace that Constitution?
Where is the democrat outrage at this? Is it being hoarded up for use when a Muslim is mistreated after being caught plotting to murder thousands? Is the eugenics driven culling of millions from society in addition to the millions already culled through abortion insufficient to generate any outrage among the democrat crowd who supported and elected these of maniacs? Obviously, yes, there is nothing that will outrage the average democrat as long as helps to create the feudal system they crave. An all powerful nobility, well paid guild members, and the vast majority of the population turned into serfs bound to the soil and begging the nobility to spare their critically ill children. That’s the democrat vision of a perfect society and those who remain democrat agree with that vision.
The democrat party is now and always has been the party of slavery, secession, civil war, KKK terrorism, Jim Crow laws, eugenics laws, anti-Semitic immigration laws in the face of Nazi Nuremburg laws, Stalin worshippers, the welfare plantation system, voter fraud, voter intimidation, and the eugenics driven mass murder of minority infants. Now, it’s obvious that they’re also the party of feudalism through the elimination of the Constitution. Anyone who still calls themselves “democrat” without openly attempting to remove the top tier of their party is aiding and abetting the overthrow of this country. Arguing the “liberal” or “progressive” point of view as a way to camouflage agreement with an elite who fully intends to eliminate the Constitution won’t suffice any longer. Either those who have been democrat break with their party over this or they admit that they intend to ignore the Constitution right along with their party leaders.
Regards
Bilgeman @ 27:
Let me put it this way.
Let’s imagine a future America where ObamaCare is the law. And your grandson or granddaughter is on your knee, asking what you did to try and stop it. Are you going to feel proud when you say, “I figured my CongressCritters had already resigned themselves to losing their seat, so I didn’t even lift my finger to dial the phone or send an email to them.”
If you would find inaction a source of pride, then by all means, spend the rest of your life on the sidelines.
myth buster (25)
“And the best part is that the Slaughter Solution would be tossed out by the Supreme Court on procedural bills- a bill that didn’t technically pass the House cannot be signed into law.”
So, after decades of compromise with those who admit that they want to “fundamentally transform” this country into a totalitarian socialist state, it’s OK because the crowd now in power won’t be able to appoint a few Justices to toss holy water on their illegally enacted law? It seems you’d have us believe that there are limits to how low these people will stoop while their current approach proves they have no limits on what they’ll do in order to achieve their goal.
have a nice day
that Obama et al think they know what is best for us is probably not even a fleeting thought.
they don’t give a rats arse about anybody but themselves. They want to lord over us period.
they are the vilest scum that modern society has created and now thanks to a multitude of very stupid people have been given immense power over the rest of us.
I believe there are a good deal of factual errors. First some form of the bill was already passed by both the house and senate. To say that Dems are trying to pass it without voting is just a lie. Also, they are not planing on passing the bill with reconciliation. Anyone who says that is wrong and has not done their research. The house is going to pass the Senate’s version of the bill. This is not reconciliation. The reconciliation will be done to tweak the bill they will pass with a regular vote. Thank you for your time.
Brian N: sorry to burst your bubble but if they go the Slauterhouse route they will have trashed the constitution. No principles and no respect for the rule of law. If this bill is so great and so ‘good’ for us, then why can’t they pass it?
Brian N (36)
Did you even read the article?
“In the Slaughter Solution, the rule would declare that the House “deems” the Senate version of Obamacare to have been passed by the House.”
The House has not voted on the Senate version of the bill and the article describes the method they’d like to use to avoid doing so.
You’re welcome for our time, it’s always nice to set someone straight who hasn’t the time to even aquaint themselves with the subject they comment on.
have a nice day
Brian is the perfect Obama voter… completely clueless about what’s going on.
Here’s a refresher course in American Government, Brian. In order for a bill to become law, both chambers of Congress must pass identical bills, and then the bill must be signed by the President. If there is even one word different between the House-passed bill and the Senate-passed bill, it can’t be sent to the Oval Office for the President to sign.
Next time, please try to inform yourself about what you’re talking about, Brian… it really reduces the chance of looking like a clueless Obamadrone.
#32 ConservaWander:
“Let’s imagine a future America where ObamaCare is the law. And your grandson or granddaughter is on your knee, asking what you did to try and stop it. Are you going to feel proud when you say, “I figured my CongressCritters had already resigned themselves to losing their seat, so I didn’t even lift my finger to dial the phone or send an email to them.””
Okay…you can imagine that if you want to.
Perhaps I think a little more out of the box than you, though, so let’s instead imagine an America where all this does not apply at all.
The new Confederate States of America.
Those that love socialism are welcome to it, but let THEM pay for it.
I, for one, am more than happy to peaceably secede and with God’s Grace, seek our own American path.
If the US government cannot be stopped from scuttling the ship of state, then the only prudent thing to do is make sure the lifeboats are well-provisioned and swung out…and then deny a place in them to those who sank the vessel from which we will have needed to escape.
They can wallow in their nasty neo-Marxism until they drown in it.
For RECONCILIATION read ‘THE ENABLING ACT’ and for those half educated American reading this the ‘Enabling Act’ was passed by Hitler and the NAZIS in the 1930′s and which turned Germany into a Left Wing DICTATORSHIP. Is this what you want America Obama and ‘Nancy and the Dems’ (good name for a group hey) “DEEMING” Acts to have been passed without a vote.
Truly the USA is set on a path to a LEFT WING DICTATORSHIP identical to Hitlers LEFT WING DICTATORSHIP in Germany in the 1930′s.
A question for the author of the article: Have you even read any of Orwell’s books, or are you just trying to use shock tactics and buzzwords? I’m not sure exactly what similarity you are trying to point out.
Actually, Orwell was a Democratic Socialist, and, in the foreword of Animal Farm, said he was writing about a “perverted form of socialism” (communism). Do your research before you throw around Orwell’s name.
33. I just don’t think they’d be able to pull that stunt off. If nothing else, the Republicans would filibuster such obvious court stacking (if Obama were to try to create two or more new seats).
#31 Rashputin:
Very well said!
Slaughter should be recalled, or impeached; she has no business being anywhere near Washington!
this is good to all Americans becoz bill has passed.
It is hard to look at what is going on in Washington and not be depressed. Last week on this web site I stated that what Obama and his small band of socialists are doing honestly resembles a coup d’etat. Think about it. Public opinion doesn’t mean anything anymore, a representative republic with politicians supposedly following the “will of the people” is a farce, Obama and his henchmen have now seized power and are simply going to pass any law they choose simply because they “deem it to be so.” If Pelosi and Reid get away with this on health care, what’s to stop them from doing it with any other law? It is also a very dangerous precedent for Congress to set. What’s next, if Congress decides they don’t like a presidential veto, they will just “deem” that it be law? Who cares what the Executive branch thinks? And what if the Supreme Court decides a law is unconstitutional? Can Congress now “deem” that they are wrong and ignore them? We are sailing into very, very, dangerous waters here and I’m not really sure who is going to be there in Congress standing against Pelosi and Reid to defend what’s left of the Constitution.
WE NEED TO BE IN D.C. ON MARCH 16TH TO MARCH AGAINST THIS TOTALITARIAN REGIME IN OUR GOVERNMENT.
elchip, I think he was talking about the private sector that actually produced something. Not just either trying to take something from someone who produces or trying to prevent the previous one from taking it.
Some fools here post that this isn’t socialized medicine as “there is no public option, it’s all through private insurers.”
Surely you’re not that stupid. Surely you realize that the Left is regulating private insurance to become a public utility. Surely you realize that when that fails utterly they will cry “see, we need more government.”
If this isn’t remarkably obvious to you then you are a moron. If it is and you still are pretending it isn’t you’re a liar.
The “Slaugher Solution” is unconstitutional. Period. The House cannot get around the Constitution on not voting on the Senate ObamaCare bill; however, the fact Nancy Pelosi is going this route tells me she does not have the 216 votes to pass the Senate ObamaCare bill. Even if Obama signs the Senate ObamaCare bill, it will not be law. Why? The House did not vote. The House must vote on the bill or shelve it.
Louise Slaughter, Nancy Pelosi, & Steny Hoyer all should be expelled from Congress trying to subvert the Constitution. The “Slaughter Solution” is not law & the representatives must follow the Constitution. The Constitution trumps any parlimentary rules Congress is trying to write to not vote on ObamaCare.
Cimmerian (49)
Surely you’re not that stupid. Surely you realize that the Left is regulating private insurance to become a public utility. Surely you realize that when that fails utterly they will cry “see, we need more government.”
They don’t even have to wait until the insurance companies ‘fail’. They already repealed the exemption to the anti-trust laws that has allowed the insurance companies to develop to their current level. As soon as their bill is enacted, they can declare the companies illegal monopolies, and in order to ‘spare’ us the disaster of all insurance companies defaulting on their obligations at once they’ll just reinstate the anti-trust exemption in exchange for 51% of the shares (more likely, a new class of preferred shares the Fed owns 60% of) thereby making the companies the same sort of government organization as GM. When you consider what the insurance companies are invested in and what those investments represent in the way of shares and bonds, taking over the insurance companies is the easiest way to take over the entire Fortune 100.
Of course, that’s the intention behind the health care push and why once the democrats think they’ve found a way to worm their bill through the conversation shifted at once to portraying the insurance companies as evil rather than staying focused on how many people ‘needed’ insurance. When you give some thought to how intense the focus has been on the insurance industry throughout this push, it becomes all too apparent that we do indeed have the return of the NASDP. Now, you know how it is when anyone dares to call these SOBs what they really are, so everyone is trying to tip toe around the fact that taking control of the insurance companies and thereby taking control of those companies assets is the real agenda, not health or care. If eugenics and government owning a controlling interest in every Fortune 100 company isn’t enough to sober up those who are going along with these thugs it’s because they don’t want to be sobered up. Going along with the democrat party is, at this point, going along with the resurrection of the NASDP.
Decade after decade, democrats have tossed the term fascist around to the point that the term has become meaningless. That was their intention, to make the accurate description of their agenda into a term most people would not only ignore, they’d also dismiss those who use the term. The truth is, though, that anyone who doubts the agenda and character of this crowd need only look at Soros to see the real face of the democrat party. Someone like Soros who supported the original NASDP, has never denied agreeing with them, and now pumps hundreds of millions into the democrat party hasn’t changed. The democrat party he purchased is what has changed. The millions who have so far refused to look at the facts and admit that their democrat party has been sold out from under them have to either abandon that party or start planning now how they’re going to hide their continued democrat association when this scheme finally blows up in the face of their fearless leader and his cronies.
Regards
Unfortunately, Sebastian, the Constitution isn’t an impenetrable force field that the Obamacrats can’t get around. If they get enough CongressCritters to agree, and Biden overrules the Senate Parliamentarian, and a majority of SCOTUS justices decide it’s okay, they can still succeed.
That’s why we gotta strike preemptively, and convince the House Obamacrats that this tactic won’t fool us and won’t save them from the wrath of the voters if they employ it.
Whatever else may come from this, as they start trying to backtrack, cover their tracks, lie about their tracks, etc. never, never, never forget what we have seen. Anyone who is even partially conscious should now have a clear picture of who and what these people are. As far as I’m concerned, I wouldn’t trust a single one of them to buy a loaf of bread for me at the local bakery and deliver it to me safely and unpoisoned. They must never be trusted on the smallest, most generally accepted item affecting public safety and national survival again. They have GOT TO GO. For general starters, they do not subscribe to basic American principles and traditions, much the idea of our Constitional Republic. They have GOT TO GO.
rashputin:
I will sign on to your even worse version. The key is somehow if you call these Leftists the totalitarian socialists they are they paint you as a nut, but they are exactly that, and they have a plan to turn us into a giant Leviathan Euro-style socialist state. They know Americans would 80-20 reject that plan right now, so they are trying to sneak and cheat and hope when it all falls apart we go their way.
We agree on that right?
I’m not familiar with the acronym NASDP. Does that stand for National American Socialist Democratic Party? It’s a clever pun on NSDAP, but it would be good to spell out what the letters stand for.
52. SCOTUS won’t go for it. There’s no way Kennedy would sign off on blatant usurpation of one chamber of congress by the other; in fact, the vote would probably be 6-3 at least. It should be unanimous, if only for precidant reasons. After all, what is a bill of attainder or ex post facto law but “deeming” someone guilty and deserving of punishment without a trial? As for Congress, they need to tread cautiously, lest we “deem” them worthy of a death sentence without a trial. If they can deem things that are not as though they were, the right to a trial is null and void; we can simply deem the trial to have already taken placed, and carry out the judgment accordingly.
Obama and his Chicago thugs have been sent to us as a reminder. Do not continue to take America for granted anymore. The people are awakening from their long slumber and realize what the stakes are here. This is do or die time. Unfortunately few were listening when Obama promised to profoudly change American. When he said that it gave me a sense of doom and foreboding. He is trying desperately to make good on that promise. If we can just hold on and convince enough of congress not to vote for this we will win. America will win. This president and his evil agenda will go down in flames. Then we have major restorative work to do to make our country the beacon and last best hope tht it has always been. Those who hate our America cannot win. We must see to that as the people have the ultimate say so
The liberals want a NEW FDR.
They also want a NEWER DEAL, a Bigger Deal. A Bigger Better New Deal to go with thier New FDR.
But the only way to get a Bigger Better Newer New Deal is to have another Great Depression.
“President Obama stated that he “would rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president.” [1][2]
Why did Obama say that?
Because he doesn’t care about his Presidency just as long as he helps to create the conditions for CHANGE! If the Liberals can suceed in creating another Great Depression they will end up winning every major election for next 40 – 50 years.
#1 A Really Mediocre President – http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/a_really_mediocre_president.html
#2 Exclusive: Obama Would ‘Rather Be Really Good One-Term President’
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/president-obama-good-term-president/story?id=9657337
Someone beat me to the comparisom with the German Enabling Act [Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich]. What I do not think is comprehended is that if they go through with this procedure, it is a clear, bright shining line that they will have irrevocably crossed. The Democrats in the House, the Senate, and the White House will have openly gone totally outside the Constitution. The ability to create laws outside the Constitution is rule by decree. Once done, there is absolutely nothing that prevents them from doing it again and again. Further, there is no reason for them to allow a case to reach the Supreme Court, or listen to the Court if it rules against them. The Court only has the powers granted it by the Constitution, and if that document is rendered moot … Further, there is precedent for a Democratic administration to deliberately, openly, and successfully to defy a Supreme Court order [Andrew Jackson]. Nor is there any reason to make the assumption that the Court will rule in favor of a Constitution that will have already been usurped, knowing that the law now comes from the barrel of the gun held by the administration. Finally, the concept of “deeming” laws passed means that they do not dare ever have free and honest elections again.
Yes, some politicians may have resigned themselves to losing; but most will cling to power and office at any cost. Having trashed the Constitution already, what rational reason is there to assume that they will tamely allow themselves to both be voted out of office and be subject to the consequences of their actions with their opponents in power?
If the Democrats commit this act. If they openly, directly, and deliberately govern outside the Constitution; the social and political contracts will have been broken. The Constitution embodies our nation’s decision on how to be governed. Outside of it, there is no consent of the governed, there is no duty to obey an usurper government, and there is a duty incumbent upon all who have sworn the Oath or said the Pledge.
This is no small thing they are attempting. And it will not be forgiven in return for a hypocritical promise to be good next time if they should fail. You can’t be a “little bit” pregnant, or a “little bit” of a dictator. Once the process is started; it must be carried through to the end, or aborted by an outside force.
Subotai Bahadur
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“As for Congress, they need to tread cautiously, lest we “deem” them worthy of a death sentence without a trial.”
What’s wrong with this picture?
Where did you get the idea that executions were in order, from the “Big Pop-up Book of Smears and Disinformation”? Perhaps you believe that the folks opposed to this socialist coup are extremists, “clinging to their guns and their God”. If so, then be sure to let Ron R know that “those people” are threatening to act like the democrat hero Che.
Even the shadow of a phantasm needs to be repudiated lest those who suffer from the Herdies Simpleton Virus draw vast conclusions from half vast posts. One of the largest demonstrations in US history didn’t even leave trash in its wake; much less the trail of blood and property destruction that so often accompanies lefty demonstrations. Even though the “progressives” have a long history of violent actions in this country, the conservative majority doesn’t.
If need be, I’m sure there are plenty of charges that can be brought against this gang of scum and villainy without adopting the standard socialist approach of executing the opposition in the name of “the people”. Unless elections are suspended or nullified, I doubt anyone other than Rahm and the national socialists themselves would even be considering threat of violence to advance their cause. Of course, if you want to portray the majority as innately violent I guess you could post a bit here and a dab there until there were multiple hints at and threats of violence for others to refer.
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I’m with you. Let them drive themselves off a cliff, since they seem so hell-bent on doing so. Doesn’t mean I have to be in the car.
Splitting the country into at least two countries is the only solution. It’ll strengthen the “real American” part of the country by getting rid of the liberal dross.
Lest any Obamabot come back with the canard of blue states subsidizing red states, if you look at individual tax return data, it’s actually highly-compensated and more conservative “red” individuals who pay those taxes. E.g. 50% of NYC city income tax is paid by 1% of the people in NYC. How do you think that 1% votes? Sure, some of them are limousine liberals, but most of them aren’t. And if they are, let ‘em stay behind and pay even more taxes. Heck if I care.
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I agree completely and have thought this was the ultimate plan for some time. If this abomination comes to pass this country as we know it will be gone by the end of the year. The Supreme Court will effectively powerless, there will be no free and fair election in November, Obama will be well on his way to becoming a “president of life” and life as we know it will be over.
My stomach is in a knot and I’m scared to death.
If the Communists currently in power can pass legislation now without a vote as specified in the Constitution, they can also issue a decree “there will no longer be elections”.
60. If they destroy the Republic, creating golden parachutes for themselves, we MUST set those golden parachutes on fire. Such an abomination is a de facto act of war against the Republic. Obviously, assassination and violent overthrow of the government is our last resort, but it is an option, lest the congress and President think themselves our masters and that they will not be subject to our laws. If they wish to rule by decree, we will make their wicked rule a short one.
62. If Obama makes himself President for life, his rule will be brief. I doubt we’d even have to do anything- the military would kill him.
The “Enabling Act” in NAZI Germany allowed Hitler to rule by DIKTAT ignoring the wishes of the Reichstag members and in effect made Chancellor Hitler into the FUHRER and DICTATOR. So tell me how the Slaughter route and ‘DEEMING’ Acts to be passed is any different to that POWER GRAB.
You are on the brink of a LEFT WING NAZI STYLE DICTATORSHIP America by a LYING MOHAMMEDAN BOGUS POTUS.
Think this will stop with just the Health Care boondoggle THINK AGAIN. Is this what you REALLY want America?????? WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In fact you don’t need the THINK AGAIN because the Dems are already trying to load as much crap as they can alongside the Health Care act too so my question has answered itself . THEY ARE MAKING AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL BLATANT POWER GRAB.
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What’s the matter; your “own” Senators and Representatives don’t represent you but go along with the national democrat party instead? Gee, that’s the end result of the 17th Amendment and decades of ignoring your representatives putting the democrat agenda ahead of real, down to earth, issues. Don’t like the democrat presidents’ plans after he openly stated that he thought the Constitution was inadequate and in need of major revisions or a complete rewriting? Well, dang, it looks like he intends to alter that nasty old Constitution by hook or by crook. That’s the result of decades of letting your representatives dodge issues and allow the courts to decide them. Those who are supposed to represent you can always go along with the democrat party and rationalize by saying, “the Supremes will knock it down anyway”, or, “the Courts will iron out the rough spots”. I know YOUR guy is fine; it’s all those other guys who are the problem, not your good democrat representative. We’ve allowed the democrat party to build a reward system based in DC but passing out goodies nationally through a maze of foundations and “non-profits” in order to take care democrats who ‘walk the plank’ for the party. The State, the State where they were elected, YOUR State, has nothing to compare with the democrat reward machine and hasn’t had since the 17th Amendment was passed. States have no leverage beyond the elections themselves, elections democrats have trained the majority in their respective States not to participate in (they’re all alike so stick with experience, blah, blah). In a situation like our current one, there will always only be a very few who have the moral fiber to do what’s best for those who actually elected them when it’s far more rewarding to do what the democrat national party wants.
It’s true, we’re on the verge of having the Constitution pulled out from under us and the people doing it figure that they’ll just whip it off the table like a tablecloth leaving all the glasses, plates, and silverware sitting there untouched. With the place settings still neatly arranged to shovel entitlements onto, who’s going to be pissed after a month or two? No one will want to be called some nasty name by the media or the brainwashed jerks spewing on the web. So, everything will be the same, the sun will come up, you’ll still be able to pump overpriced gasoline into your shoebox, and there will be happiness and light for the serfs, serfs the government will now be able to refine into a better breed the same way livestock is bred for desired traits.
Has anyone ever ground this country to a complete halt other than the unions before they sold out to the democrat party? No. Could anyone? Yes, the number of people who have attended a Town Hall meeting or a Tea Party rally could if they banded together. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt there will be a great uprising or strike of any sort. In all likelyhood, the majority will generate lots of heat and very little light; that’s what you’ve been trained to do by decades of “they’re all the same” propaganda and emotion spewed by the democrat machine to drown out common sense. Everything will just settle further into the compost heap of indolence these thugs depend on. The American public gave this guy his office in spite of all the socialist gang signs he flashed to the camera throughout the campaign. He didn’t ride into DC with an army, murder a sitting president, and declare himself ruler for life; you gave him this office and the power that goes with it. He probably doesn’t even want to be president for life when the cushy post-presidential jobs passed out by the democrat machine have so much less responsibility and pay so much better.
Consider this, as well, there’s a good chance that many of the people who are reading here or expressing their fear here voted for this guy and wanted all that “change” he was selling. Recall the anti-Bush democrat propaganda repeated here and the “anyone but McCain”, posts ‘conservatives’ and ‘independents’ were making here to great agreement. You just know a good many folks here voted for this guy no matter what they say at this point. Some agreed with the BS theory of “let a democrat win and we’ll be better off in the next election”, and some were secretly enchanted with this guy or wallowing in their own propaganda fostered guilt. So, now that ‘the people’ are going to get what they voted for, they’re realizing that it probably won’t be possible to turn this ‘change’ stuff around on a dime like some thought we could.
These thugs fully intend for the government to become the majority shareholder in the key companies in this country and thereby ensure the damage they inflict can’t be undone without a great deal of pain and suffering. Pain and suffering the American voters have been avoiding for the past six decades by allowing the Nannycrats to take care of them and think for them. As long as people bitch but continue to roll along in their ruts, buying stocks, buying retail toys and goodies, going to movies or eating out, and in general just behaving normally, the hard core of maniacs in charge won’t care what you mumble about. People who can’t be bothered with things like candidate selection, boring work for candidates, unseating incumbents, and other messy time consuming details of democracy can’t be bothered with the burdens of dramatic actions beyond the occasional gathering, either.
You want to stop this crap? Then stop everything. Stop going to work, stop buying anything except food and toilet paper. Stop everything and declare a national strike against Congress. Turn the lights out in your business, turn off the TV and play monopoly, strip poker, or watch your own DVDs that are gathering dust on the shelf. Don’t do anything other than eat and sit at the house. Just sit down, tell them why you’re sitting down, and that you intend to be on strike long enough to make sure they’re listening to you and not to one another. The road they take to DC goes both ways, they can come home and get marching orders or you can stay on strike. If you do that, it will only take a week or two before they’ll be unable to keep papering the world with worthless bonds based on YOUR hard work in the future. Take away their credit card which is based on the assumption that YOU keep working, and the result will be a disaster for the bond market (remember the Clintion motto of “it’s the bond market, stupid”?). A disaster that will work to our advantage and ensure their demise. Sure, people working for large companies can’t participate, but small businesses can and small businesses make or break this economy. People working at retailers they don’t control can show up to ensure retailers have payroll to meet in spite of having few customers, a situation that will turn the screws on the state governments and even tighter on DC. Figure out how to execute a strike, organize it, and do it. Now, who really, really, wants to do what it takes to stop these people in their tracks? Yeah, I thought so.
Congress critters have decades of experience (thanks to folks who want term limits for everyone other than guy) and they know that a few may go Galt, but the majority will just eat the chit sandwich they’re handed. They know that elections are the critical factor and that they always win the elections because they can make so many people give up and not even try to fight them through the system. You made them masters of the system by giving them multi-term opportunities to learn the machinery and you have to either beat them in elections or enjoy the sandwich they’re preparing. Repealing what they may succeed in putting in place would be painful, but no pain no gain is as true in self-governance as in weight lifting. The public in this country is as flabby in the self-governance sense because they can’t handle the pain which is why we’re at this crossroads. Those now in charge stand on the shoulders of many a socialist democrat who did years of heavy lifting in order to reach this point, the point at which they can replace our Constitutional Republic with a feudal socialist paradise.
Talk about “the last resort” is cheap and easy. Getting in the local trenches and fighting these bastards with sharpened primary shovels and Roberts Rules hand grenades is tough. Organized violence requires people to give a damn so much that they no longer give a damn, but what we need now are people who give a damn so much that they act rather than bitch. Believe me, if you can’t hold your nose wade into politics and mass actions to take your country back, you can’t handle the slime and stench of the “last resort” either. Let’s hope that this gets stopped and that there’s a chance for all the pissed off folks to show that they honestly give a damn by starting to attack the democrat trench line and finally eliminate the party of slavery and feudalism from the national political scene. Otherwise, it’s going to be a long, long, time before there are sufficient serious people to turn this around by any other means, at least that’s what a few thousand years of history teaches us.
Regards
This is clearly unconstitutional,proving that Obama is a closet Stalinist.
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SCOTUS won’t go for it. There’s no way Kennedy would sign off on blatant usurpation of one chamber of congress by the other; in fact, the vote would probably be 6-3 at least
Say, did you catch that WSJ article about Stevens deciding whether or not to step down? Maybe Van Jones will get that slot on the court.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/03/15/report-justice-stevens-to-decide-on-retirement-within-weeks/
Like van Jones could ever get through the Senate. Even if Republicans swore off filibustering judges, he’d lose an up-or-down vote because there simply aren’t enough democrats who are that radical. If there were, Cap-and-Trade would not have been DOA in the Senate.
#68 deguello, Obama has come out of the closet.
House members are worried that Nancy will abandon them – have them vote for the Senate bill and then let the bill with their “fixes” be defeated. (The “fix” that Blue Dogs like is hated by progressives, etc.) The reality is that it is the Senate bill or nothing – and Nancy will promise anything, but guarantee nothing, to get the Senate bill passed.
So, not trusting Nancy, House members who have gotten a deal in the “fix” bill want to insist on passing it before passing the Senate bill – thus the Slaughter solution. Of course, no matter what they do, the fix bill will not pass in the Senate. (These fixes have been on the table for a long time, if they were going to pass the Senate, they would already be in the Senate bill.)
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You’re thinking about the way things were before they realized they could just “deem” him and a half dozen other new Justices to have been approved. Even FDR never thought of the “Just Do It” approach when he wanted to pack the court in order to shove his agenda through.
Sorry you didn’t see the joke in that.
Regards
If the Communists currently in power can pass legislation now without a vote as specified in the Constitution, they can also issue a decree “there will no longer be elections”.
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