Philadelphia discovers a “House of Horrors,” an abortion clinic run by Kermit Gosnell.
NEW YORK — A US abortion doctor was arrested Wednesday and charged with using scissors to murder late-term babies. …
“He regularly performed abortions beyond the 24-week limit prescribed by law. As a result, viable babies were born. Gosnell killed them by plunging scissors into their spinal cords,” the district attorney said. “He taught his staff to do the same.”
AdvertisementAmong those arrested and charged was the doctor’s wife, Pearl Gosnell.
Gosnell is being charged with infanticide and murdering his patients. The Philadelphia DA’s office says charges include the illegal distribution of narcotics. Reports say that drug complaints led to Gosnell’s investigation. “The investigation began February 2010 when police received tips that Gosnell was illegally selling thousands of oxycontin prescriptions to ‘patients’ he had never examined.”
With respect to the death of Karnamaya Mongar, Kermit Gosnell, Lynda Williams, and Sherry West are charged with third-degree murder, drug delivery resulting in death, drug violations, and conspiracy. Gosnell operated a corrupt criminal enterprise, for which the Grand Jury recommended racketeering charges against Kermit Gosnell, Lynda Williams, Sherry West, Adrienne Moton, Maddline Joe, Tina Baldwin, Pearl Gosnell, Steven Massof, and Eileen O’Neill. Massof and O’Neill, who pretended to be doctors, will be charged with theft by deception and conspiracy, with Gosnell, to deceive patients. Gosnell and Massof are also charged with conspiracy and drug violations for illegally dispensing narcotics.
Gosnell made millions of dollars over the decades doing late term abortions. His profile on HealthGrades says he practiced obstetrics and gynecology and accepted a number of insurance plans, but noted that “sanctions” had been applied against him including the suspension of his license in New York and Pennsylvania.
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The “Golden Calf” or “Moloch?”
I find the complaint that there aren’t enough abortion providers laughable. With 1 million-plus recorded annually (and therefore legitimately performed) abortions a year, I would say that the abortion industry is thriving in the light of day just fine, thank you very much.
“Where there is no law, there is no sin.”
May G-d damn them all.
Several days ago, a UN report out of Pakistan alleged that infanticide is rising to unprecidented levels there.
Nine out of ten of these little ones are girls.
May G-d damn them all!
The key is insurance and the question is whether there is a compelling public interest in providing public money to “prevent” the emergence of Kermit the Frauds by turning them into properly supervised providers. In other words, if only Kermit could have billed for late term abortions, everything would have been hunky-dory.
It is not entirely clear that patients did not in some cases actually use insurance to purchase medical services from Gosnell, even though the services were probably misrepresented or used as cover to supply drugs.
If I were cynical my guess is that local corruption, lax supervision and crime are mostly at the bottom of this. No amount of “law” can prevent crooks, scammers and creeps from hanging out a shingle. There’s a sucker and a victim born every minute.
This brings up the issue of whether there ought to be anything that the public shouldn’t reimburse from providers. And in that regard, Avastin and drugs similarly designated not cost-effective are going to be excluded from reimbursement. How can you have a health system that is a blank check for late term abortion providers and a strait gate for oncologists without some sort of normative debate?
But if as Scalia said, there is now no area where pronouncements on public morals are legitimate, what are we left with? Nothing. Zip. Nada. But if right and wrong are now proscribed words along with “crosshairs” what remains? One possibility is pure dollars and cents.
Suppose one argued that it is in the public’s interest that children not be aborted on the grounds that they are future taxpayers whose payroll taxes will be needed to support social programs. Of course the feminists will argue that they are going to be made reproductive slaves and there is some danger in that.
But one can easily see how convoluted the issues suddenly become. Insurance, demographics, even race become involved. Suppose I could show that there is a gender or racial bias in the late term abortions and abortions in general. That more blacks, for example, are aborted (maybe, maybe not). Is that a bug or a feature? Do the feminists regard that as the enjoyment of “choice” or racial or gender genocide? Can you really get up on a podium and put the crosshairs on a policy which kills more blacks than whites? Can you promote it?
What a tangled web. And the worst of it is that it is tangled even without considering the single basic problem. Are we talking about killing human beings? What is the difference between a late abortion and a premature, but viable baby in the hospital? Is a person not a person until the parent1 or parent2 say so? It’s a can of worms which has now been sanctified by a set of pacts with special interests groups.
But it’s not for the children. The children have nothing to do with it, except to tell us, by their existence or nonexistence, just what kind of world we have become. What kind of universe is it when the children we see around us are actually survivors; in a world where NAMBLA is just drooling to make them sex objects, and where creeps are just itching to make them human shields or bombs?
The real argument against God, it seems to me, is why he allows such a vile thing as humanity to exist. Because there’s some good in us, Mr. Frodo, Sam said. Of course, Lot said that many years ago by the Dead Sea.
These ghastly accounts have no impact on any impassioned “pro-choice” person. The race angle has been played, so has the “children are our future” line. Pro-choicers are pro-ABORTION. They defend it as a religion, an anti-human, macabre obsession, no matter how anyone tries to appeal to them. How can you sway someone who assumes that their natural impulses are respectable?
“A US abortion doctor (Kermit Gosnell) was arrested Wednesday and charged with using scissors to murder late-term babies… “He regularly performed abortions beyond the 24-week limit prescribed by law. As a result, viable babies were born. Gosnell killed them by plunging scissors into their spinal cords…””
“The organizer is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which man can reach — to create, to be a ‘great creator,’ to play God.” Saul Alinsky
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2314
Marxists play god, not through the creative pursuit of happiness, but through the destructive pursuit of happiness – an oxymoron – another Orwellian contradiction.
I have never understood why my tax dollars should pay to clean up someone else’ voluntarily chosen mess, whether or not the procedure is personally abhorrent to me. It is abhorrent, to be sure. The right to choose argument is a red herring. A woman (or a man, for that matter) has the right to not be in a compromising situation, and to extricate herself should she find herself in one. Should she waive that right, she has the right to keep her knickers on and her knees together. Should she waive that right she has the right to obtain and employ any of a variety of inexpensive, readily accessible contraceptive measures. Should she waive that right she has chosen to accept the likely consequences of her decisions, for which she, with her partner, is responsible. If she then chooses to murder her baby, a horrific, unethical and immoral decision, she should pay our of her own pocket. In the relatively rare cases of rape or incest the rapist should pay (and how!). Government, at any level, should have nothing to do with in any way, shape or form.
Did they tear it out, with talons of steel
And give you a shot, so that you wouldn’t feel
And wash it away, as if it wasn’t real
It’s just a mistake, I won’t have to face
Don’t give it a name, don’t give it a place
Don’t give it a chance, it’s lucky in a way
It must have felt strange, to find me inside you
I hadn’t intended to stay
If you want to keep it right, put it to sleep at night
Squeeze it until it could say
You can’t be too strong you can’t be too strong
You can’t be too strong
You can’t be too strong you decide what’s wrong
Well I ain’t gonna cry, I’m gonna rejoice
And shout myself dry, and go see the boys
They’ll laugh when I say, I left it overseas
Yeah babe I know that it gets dark, down by luna park
But everybody else, is squeezing out a spark
That happened in the heat, somewhere in the dark, in the dark
The doctor gets nervous, completing the service
He’s all rubber gloves and no head
He fumbles the light switch, it’s just another minor hitch
Wishes to God he was dead
But ou can’t be too strong you can’t be too strong
You can’t be too strong
You can’t be too strong
Can’t be too strong you decide what’s wrong
Can’t be too hard, too tough, too rough, too right, too wrong
And you, can’t be too strong
Baby you can’t be too strong
You Can’t be too Strong for the album Squeezing Out Sparks by Graham Parker.
Wretchard: The real argument against God, it seems to me, is why he allows such a vile thing as humanity to exist.
A conservative blog calls mankind evil. The libs have won.
JOHN GALT:
“You have heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis. You have said it yourself, half in fear, half in hope that the words had no meaning. You have cried that man’s sins are destroying the world and you have cursed human nature for its unwillingness to practice the virtues you demanded. Since virtue, to you, consists of sacrifice, you have demanded more sacrifices at every successive disaster.
“In the name of a return to morality, you have sacrificed all those evils, which you held as the cause of your plight. You have sacrificed justice to mercy. You have sacrificed independence to unity. You have sacrificed reason to faith. You have sacrificed wealth to need. You have sacrificed self-esteem to self-denial. You have sacrificed happiness to duty.
“You have destroyed all that which you held to be evil and achieved all that which you held to be good. Why, then, do you shrink in horror from the sight of the world around you? That world is not the product of your sins; it is the product and the image of your virtues. It is your moral ideal brought into reality in its full and final perfection. . .”
How can one countenance this activity and seriously call themselves a “liberal”? This sick bastard kills tiny babies and makes millions off a system contrived and operated by the left under the rubric of “choice” and then lefties have the unmitigated gall to say it is only preventable with adequate funding blame or a better health insurance plan that only they can sell you? I thought “liberals” portrayed themselves as “defenders of the little guy”. I guess not the littlest guys, because they don’t vote or make campaign contributions. Don’t tell me about the poor 13 year old girl who got raped. I am actually with the other side on that one, as I think many people are. It is the carnage of the other 999,999 a year they cannot justify. The exception has swallowed the rule. And then they wonder why on rare occasions some otherwise decent person goes nuts and shoots one of these practicioners of “choice”. Sorry, rant off.
Here in Ireland, abortion is only permitted if the mother’s life is in serious danger.
The lefties bitch about it, but, the prohibition has been supported in a referendum.
We’ve had a judgement against Ireland in the European court of human rights, in the past week, where a woman on chemotherapy, who’s life was in serious danger if the pregnancy continued, was denied an abortion in Ireland, and had to go to Britain.
The court ruled that her rights were infringed.
It looks like Ireland may be forced to relax its restrictions.
In another widely publicized case a few years ago, a 16 year old girl in the care of the state, was found to be pregnant with a foetus without a brain. This would have died naturally at birth. The Health services executive attempted to obtain an order forbidding the girl from leaving the state for an abortion.
My taxes at work!
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Regardless of restrictions, frauds and quacks will find a way to harm people.
British General Practitioner, Harold Shipman, is estimated to have murdered over 100 of his patients, usually old women. He was paid by the British National Health Service, so taxpayer funding is certainly no automatic barrier to abuse. Neither are its checks and inspections.
It was an undertaker who noticed Shipman’s signature appearing with unusual frequency on death certs!
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I thought Moloch too, when I saw the picture.
Is Moloch wearing a big Rolex?
O/T:
Habu,
I haven’t seen Buddy posting for quite a while.
I hope he’s ok and maybe just keeping to a new year’s resolution to spend less of his life at the computer, or some other such benign explanation for his absence.
has anyone else seen him posting lately?
“Abortion doctor arrested for murder of babies”.
Think about it. This case will be interesting because
it will highlight murder vs abortion by age of the unborn.
Gosnell will claim that all the fetuses were 24 weeks old and
thus aborted. He will produce documentation proving it. He
will also claim the dead women’s cause of death was some
complication. Don’t be surprised if he gets off. This is how
sick we have become. Once you go down the slippery slope
of the culture of death, conversations such as these are
possible.
I am a doc borne, raised and trained in Philadephia. Gosnell
types, i.e, inner city medicaide frauds are everywhere. My
bet is he billed medicaide for all services and took cash
from his rich white patients. Once the culture allows butchers
like this license to do business, the result is pre-ordained.
The standard Christian idea is that humanity is shot through with both evil and good. He is “fallen”. What some faiths offer is the possibility of redemption. The nice thing about Marxism is that we neither have to acknowledge evil nor the necessity, indeed not even the existence of redemption.
The key debate in history, which seems to transcend all the current ‘isms, or of which all the currents ‘isms are simply the newest incarnations of, is whether humanity is allowed to “pursue happiness”, i.e. hope for salvation or whether we simply reject the freedom to do that. “Look you are animals. Live as long as you can, eat as much as you can and swill as much as you can stand. And to do that, accept that you are animals and appoint other animals to rule over you.” That it seems to me, is what socialism has historically been about.
Our only ‘shot’ at transcendence is through the acknowledgement of the Fall. No Fall no Arising. The really crazy thing about acknowledging Evil in man is that it compels to accept the possibility of good. “Fallen” requires that you fell from some height which the animal theory denies you could ever occupy.
But it seems to say, if we can agree to stay down in the weeds, then we need not trouble ourselves with hope or faith or charity. No fear of hell, no hope of love. Just your social welfare card, that and nothing more. The bigotry of low expectations is built right in. We are all on the farm, the Animal Farm.
That’s probably why freedom and totalitarianism will be at daggers drawn forever. They are based on fundamentally different views of the nature of humanity.
As I understand it, the murder charge was due to the death of an adult patient, and there are drug charges, etc.
So … lemme see here:
Kill an adult woman, that’s murder
Kill a viable newborn, that’s not.
See the difference?
“perhaps when you hear, “it’s for the children”, that is really an infallible sign that it “it’s about the politics”.”…W
SOmewhat off the radar screen now is the “do it for the children” hypocracy that just a few years ago was pervasive.
When a country is as far off the tracks as the U.S. is currently there really isn’t much up side to continuing to use children as a shield.
Since the socialists have taken off the gloves since obama took office and obama hisself done decide ta circunventure da nude congress wit presidential direcshuns whiz in fo a mighty hard time sett’n thangs rite. I done believe it be da sloppy morals da booma generation done reputi-ate and then let thar brats done run wild, smoken weed wit mom and dad and mom and dad decide to be “best frend” wit their young’ins instea of sett’n dem straight on thangs,,,course so many boomers are so totally f-ed up they wouldn’t knows how ta riase up a child rightly.
Dat’s what I done think.
Remember this movie? 1968 boomer advocacy.
http://tinyurl.com/d9ja8q
I believe that tweet’s claim is that “the right” (accepting, arguendo, that it’s primarily and mostly “the right” opposing abortion, which is reasonable enough to do for argument) “made” Dr. Gosnell in a different way than the completely untenable claim that “the right” “made” Mr. Loughner.
There simply isn’t any plausible (and indeed very little in the way of implausible, apart from sheer assertion) argument that the latter had anything to do with “the right”; his madness was his own, and he doesn’t seem to have been sympathetic to or paid any attention to “the right” and what they said.
However, the claim I read from that tweet about Dr. Gosnell is not that “the right” inspired him in any way, but that “the right”‘s anti-abortion policies (again, assumed arguendo to be an apt enough assignment of credit/blame) combined with an inherent or semi-inherent demand for abortions provided him with business, because that inherent demand could not be satisfied legally [or affordably in the "insurance" subset of the claim].
In that argument, there is perfectly plausible connection between “the right” and restrictions on abortion and insurance coverage for same, and between those restrictions and Dr. Gosnell’s business.
(I’m not at all sure it’s factually correct to assert that a ban on late-term abortions combined with lack of other providers and lack of insurance coverage somehow must have caused abortion seekers to wait that long and seek him out particularly, but it’s plausible.)
So I don’t think they can be considered equivalent; the claims about Lougher are libels, because they are completely without evidence.
The ones about Gosnell are matters of judgment, because the connection is plausible, though not obvious or certain.
(And also, while the tweet appears to be blaming “the right” for the fact that abortion-seekers found Gosnell rather than an early-term abortion, it at least doesn’t claim that their desire for an abortion in the first place is “the right”‘s fault.)
I’m not seeing a useful parallel for comparison; not all claims that “the right caused X” are libelous or insultingly false, though use of such language is, like almost all group-based totalities, inaccurate in detail, at best.
Is there a statistic to show how many abortions are not the first by the mother?
Because, I think this would add a slightly different perspective to “pro-choice”. The “choice” issue for a first timer is supposedly full of uncertainty and angst.
But, the third or fourth or fifth time?
I say this as I contemplate the soul of a person and their staff taught the technique as they plunge a scissors into the spine of a late term viable human. It must get easier somehow each successive time.
Could you be taught to do such a thing? Is it still an issue of “choice” when you do? I don’t think so.
It’s an issue of conscience. And one must have one’s turned off completely to be a part of this, as mother, as doctor, as staff member. It’s not pro-choice, it’s loss/lack of conscience at that point, I’m convinced.
Ed Morrisey has updated his post on this topic (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/19/abortionist-faces-eight-counts-of-murder-in-philadelphia/)
It looks like there are a few more guilty parties in this ugly drama…”by design.”
Back in the day I remembered some guys arguing that all the evils they were ‘forced’ to commit, whether assassinating someone, purging others, robbing or stealing in the name of revolutionary expropriation, were all caused by “US Imperialism”.
Why did you shoot such and such? US Imperialism. Why did you leave such and such a woman? Had to because it was required by the fight against US Imperialism. Why did Comrade Stalin have to kill millions? US Imperialism. Why were the Ukranians starved? International Imperialism.
Recently you may have heard people say to the question, ‘why did Osama attack the WTC?’ US Imperialism. The chickens are always coming home to roost, and therefore we can steal them at any time of the day or night. What glorious license the existence of “US Imperialism” grants the Left. All is possible because of US Imperialism.
“But what about you?” I would ask. “You. Is anything you do your choice? Is there anything which you should feel guilty or proud about, something attributable to yourself only? Some act of mercy or cruelty, some famous or infamous deed? Do you exist?
“Or is it just this US Imperialism that animates your life, which would otherwise be indistinguishable from a Zombie’s?”
They say freedom is a burden. I guess it is. But it is light compared to the burden you bear when you surrender to whatever it is that calls to us in the dark.
A conservative blog calls mankind evil. The libs have won.
Hardly. It is only the lie that man is not fallen that can support any claim to the need for absolute power.
WRT last cite from AOL News … pay no attention to babies killed with scissors, let’s make it easier to exercise choice.
Strictly as an exercise in logic, or is it linguistics … it’s horrible. You would think waterboarding would be an ethical walk in the park compared to this. But, no.
According to the grand jury’s report, Gosnell’s “clinic” was so bad that the National Abortion Federation (“an association of abortion providers that upholds the strictest health and legal standards for its members,” per the report) denied his application for NAF membership:
Gosnell, bizarrely, applied for admission shortly after Karnamaya Mongar’s death. Despite his various efforts to fool her, the evaluator from NAF readily noted that records were not properly kept, that risks were not explained, that patients were not monitored, that equipment was not available, that anesthesia was misused. It was the worst abortion clinic she had ever inspected. Of course, she rejected Gosnell’s application. She just never told anyone in authority about all the horrible, dangerous things she had seen. Bureaucratic inertia is not exactly news. We understand that. But we think this was something more. We think the reason no one acted is because the women in question were poor and of color, because the victims were infants without identities, and because the subject was the political football of abortion.
HT: Ace of Spades
http://minx.cc/?post=310972
W: “The nice thing about Marxism is that we neither have to acknowledge evil nor the necessity, indeed not even the existence of redemption.”
Marxism is an evangelical religion which seeks to convert the heretics of human individuality. The greatest Marxist sin is to become an individual – to think for yourself and use common sense – and the second greatest sin is the failure to worship immortal Marxist Government – a small infallible group of other people – the Priests of Power. Marxist sin requires forced conversion, and failing that the blood of the sinner – the individual him/herself – not the blood of Christ – the blood of millions upon millions of disgusting individuals – the lost souls who fancy themselves as made in the image of God – those who will not bow down and merge themselves into the Marxist Borg.
“The individual is only a cell… power is collective. The individual only has power in so far that he ceases to be an individual… If he can make complete utter submission; if he can escape from his identity; if he can merge himself in the Party so that he is the Party, then he is all powerful and immortal… The object of power is power… Always there will be the intoxication of power… We are the Priests of Power… The more the party is powerful the less it will be tolerant; the weaker the opposition the tighter the despotism… The heresy of heresies was common sense… Always we shall have the heretic at our mercy, screaming with pain, broken up, contemptible; and in the end utterly penitent, saved from himself, crawling to our feet of his own accord… We do not destroy the heretic… we convert him; we capture his inner mind… we bring him over to our side… You will be lifted clean out from the stream of history. We shall turn you into gas and pour you into the stratosphere… You will be annihilated in the past as well as in the future. You will never have existed.” George Orwell – 1984
“We can see that all elements of the socialist ideal–the abolition of private property, family, hierarchies; the hostility toward religion–could be regarded as a manifestation of one basic principle: the suppression of individuality… Human individuality finds its greatest support and its highest appreciation in religion. Only as a personality can man turn to God and only through this dialogue does he realize himself as a person commensurate with the person of God. It is for this very reason that socialist ideology and religion are mutually exclusive.” Igor Shafarevich
http://www.robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html
It’s often forgotten, but the man who opened the door to abortion on a national scale was Governor Ronald Reagan.
While other states ( Massachusetts ) had already permitted it, when Reagan gave in — he was followed by state after state. Then the Supremes weighed in with Roe V Wade — and the decision went Federal.
The original California legislation had LOTS of strings on it and was nowhere near as liberal as we see today. It was entirely oriented towards life threatening conditions for the mother or rape victim.
It proved to be a camel’s nose.
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I simply can’t support government funded abortions. Government control on who is born is fraught with peril. Like Reagan’s restrictive legislation any crack of the door is going to prove a camel’s nose.
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I also can’t support state prohibitions against early abortions. For those who forget, desperate females will get abortions — period.
Prohibiting sane access will send us right back to the early sixties when astounding numbers were injured/killed for life at the hands of amateurs.
We see the same impact in the drug ‘market.’
Prohibition does not work.
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I don’t know what the bias is, but there is sure to be a race/ income bias.
The ONLY resolution is to keep the government entirely out of the decision process: neither financing nor prohibiting the procedure. It just can’t have anything to do with it. We DO NOT WANT government getting into the task of deciding who lives and who gets aborted.
Having said that, 24 weeks is a practical cut-off for unrestricted abortions. That’s plenty of time for the female to make up her mind. Further, such delay climbs the wall of risk. And on top of that fetal growth by that stage is complete enough to know if it will be born with crippling handicaps.
Back in the day, one of my girl friends was terrified of any pregnancy: she had bad genes — curvature of the spine. She’d spent YEARS in hell over coming it. She vowed that she’d never inflict upon her children that curse. If everyone so afflicted took such a stance, the disease would be virtually wiped out.
What I can’t figure out is how the above perps ran their disgusting operations on such a scale. Someone was getting payola.
W: “The really crazy thing about acknowledging Evil in man is that it compels to accept the possibility of good. “Fallen” requires that you fell from some height which the animal theory denies you could ever occupy.”
“Communism has never concealed the fact that it rejects all absolute concepts of morality. It scoffs at any consideration of “good” and “evil” as indisputable categories. Communism considers morality to be relative, to be a class matter. Depending upon circumstances and the political situation, any act, including murder, even the killing of thousands, could be good or could be bad.” Alexander Solzhenitsyn
http://www.alor.org/Library/LegacyofTerror.htm
“There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are common to all states of society. But communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality.” Karl Marx
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html
It may turn out that Kermit the Fraud was protected by the mantle of political protection that surrounds abortion activities. The Grand Jury’s report said:
When read in the context of the report above, the smug assertion that Gosnell is a product of the “right” — “The right wants AB out of insurance. #Prolife, Gosnell isn’t ours. He’s YOURS. Bravo” is almost perverse. There is at least an even chance that nobody wanted to investigate an abortion clinic any more than the Civil Rights Division wanted to investigate the New Black Panthers for voter intimidation. Until the investigation turns over all the rocks, I wouldn’t bet on the “right” being responsible for this.
wretchard wrote:
““Look you are animals. Live as long as you can, eat as much as you can and swill as much as you can stand. And to do that, accept that you are animals and appoint other animals to rule over you.” That it seems to me, is what socialism has historically been about.”
please watch glenn beck 01/19/11 show: ranchers and cows
http://www.watchglennbeck.com/
From WSJ
” After crunching the latest statistics from New York City’s Health Department, the foundation reported that 41% of pregnancies (excluding miscarriage) in New York ended in abortion. That’s double the national rate.
So again the question: As a society, does this figure say anything about the choice between a baby and abortion? Even for those who believe the choice for an abortion belongs to a woman alone and ought to be unfettered by city, state or federal law, is there any ratio such a person would say is too high?
The question becomes even more compelling when broken down by race.
For Hispanics, the abortion rate was 41.3%—i.e., more than double the rate for whites. For African-Americans the numbers are still more grim: For every 1,000 African-American live births in New York, there were 1,489 abortions.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703396604576088240637235236.html
Read that last sentence again
For every 1,000 African-American live births in New York, there were 1,489 abortions.
And weep–
That is the Culture of Death in NY
W: “The real argument against God, it seems to me, is why he allows such a vile thing as humanity to exist.”
Vileness and evil exist in humanity because God created man with free will – freedom to love God or hate God – freedom to be God’s sons and daughters or to be only man the animal – freedom to choose good or choose evil. God wanted children not pets or puppets – by making us in His image He made us free – by giving us freedom He ends up with some children – and some animals.
“Almighty God hath created the mind free.” Thomas Jefferson
sounds bad.
Wretchard @ #17: Wow.
“The necessity of redemption…”
“The hope of salvation…”
“No Fall, no Arising…”
“But it seems to say, if we can agree to stay down in the weeds, then we need not trouble ourselves with hope or faith or charity. No fear of hell, no hope of love. Just your social welfare card, that and nothing more.”
Wretchard, all you said at #17 is why I don’t understand why any atheists at all are drawn to your blog.
Your light shines brightly, I guess. Brightly enough, one hopes, for the dawning of the transcendent answer to come into view, however dimly at first.
Habu @ 19,
Happyfeets, ‘dat you?
Even for those who believe the choice for an abortion belongs to a woman alone and ought to be unfettered by city, state or federal law, is there any ratio such a person would say is too high?
If abortions were purely a function of choice then the decision to have nor not have children for any given woman would be a random walk. How do I feel today? Like a mother? To the maternity. Like partying? To Kermit’s. In that case you would expect abortion rates to be approximately the same for any given state.
If rates are higher in one state or among different groups it suggests that they are making an economic or rational decision about whether to go to the abortionist’s or the maternity ward. What then are the price signals that a person faces in making that decision?
Some costs are externalities, or appear to be, in that they do not appear in the perceived price of a decision. A person living in a society where fathers do not support children or “marry”, where abortion is available or insurance can be misrepresented and a high value is placed on being on the dating or job market again will create a situation where the demand for abortions is high. Some costs that will not be priced into the decision might be the demographic effects — since these take many years to eventuate. The crisis of social security and medicare is a demographic crisis that will eventually plague the very same social groups who are counting on government funding to keep the abortions going.
About all one can conclude is that while we, as a society, may have “no right to judge” anybody, reality is not so squeamish. Sooner or later the effects of choices or non-choices are felt in the competitiveness and strength of a society. Whether or not one assigns moral values to outcomes, outcomes occur.
My own guess is that there’s a piper to be paid in there somewhere. And whether or not that fact is recognized, the bill will be presented sooner or later. Nothing comes for free.
Luv you Wretchard,
Abortion is a palliative to the life-problems of only a scant minority of voting adults, yet the “right” to one has an almost hypothalmic tug on so-called “national” constituencies.
As with any other murder, there is a story behind every abortion. A rape, a “touching,” a temporary enchantment, a delayed horror. And it is usually not pretty.
“Elsewhere (29)
Andrew Withers on the totalitarian roots of the Fabian Society:
These ‘intellectuals’ regarded the working classes as something akin to livestock.”
http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2011/01/elsewhere-29.html
i find it interesting that a blogger in england and a blogger in australia and a tv guy in the usa have come to a similar conclusion on the same day. conspiracy
Correlation is not proof of causation.
But according to some studies and fertility experts, repeated abortions reduce a woman’s ablility to get pregnant. Which drops after 40 anyway. Also there is speculation that the growth of the anti-abortion sentiment amongst younger voters in the US is due to the “Roe Effect.” That is those who are pro-choice reproduced at lower rates and became more of a minoity vote. Russian female fertility rates are notoriously low, and so are the Japanese, both countries that practiced birth control by abortion???
37. wretchard
I agree–” My own guess is that there’s a piper to be paid in there somewhere” and we know who the piper is.
The WSJ I link proposes both moral/values and economic incentives to support live births-
As opposed to the slaughter of innocents
Once you agree to slaughter innocents then the acrid smoke from the gas chambers and ovens is next, after the PC euthanasia tourist trips to Switzerland.
There is little reason why a women in the USA would become pregnant unless she chose to–unless she was raped.
Another depressing statistic is that 50% of Black male gays and bisexuals have HIV/AIDS in the US—50%
Gay activist recently spent $100 million lobbying for same sex marriage
–Yet they do not spend a penny on Black HIV/AIDS epidemic
–the US tax payers and faith based Charities deal with that reality that festers behind the mask.
W. #37
My own guess is that there’s a piper to be paid in there somewhere.
Indeed, as Lot tardily discovered to his consternation.
How many times have you seen the hardcases beg as Death choked the life from them?
My faith extensively uses two names for the Creator: one connotes mercy, the other strict justice. In the tale of Noah’s ark, the name of the Merciful One is used until the day of entry into the ark. At that point “the men” become “the meat”, and Justice is wrought.
…just something to think about, as the clock ticks away the days of our lives…
When the piper comes calling for his payment, we’ll all get our share of the bill. The most responsible will hightail it if they can. Retreat into their “vast carelessness” as Scott Fitzgerald put it. My granddaddy fought it out with Japanese infantryman. Gramps was in his mid fifties and the Japanese marine was probably a teen. What put a man from Japan on a collision course with an Ilocano from Pangasinan, one with an Arisaka and the other with a Springfield? Neither wanted to be there. Neither one started the Second World War. Yet there it was.
It’s dollars to donuts that on the day of reckoning most people will be looking at each other and wondering, “why”? The ones who know the answer to that question already will have up and skedaddled.
It takes a certain kind of comfort, a feeling of safety and certainty, to imagine that one lives inside one great God who causes all the evil in the world.
When you are that guy, who thinks that America is the source of all that’s wrong with the world, and at the same time you are the remorseful lucky sonofbitch born American, what’s the difference between you and cancer? You both hate your body.
“Or is it just this US Imperialism that animates your life, which would otherwise be indistinguishable from a Zombie’s?”
NOTE: Never to take the inestimable PJ Zombie‘s name in vain, Zombie who documented so many events for us. Original Zombie’s contributions going back to when LGF was fun, iirc.
Long live Zombie.
i used to think that the Pope(john paul II and Benedict)was a silly old twit for this “culture of death” thing, but when one considers abortion a la kermit and the slowly increasing euthanasia, well they may very well be right.
The “bring out your dead” scene from The holy grail is funny as long as you’re not the guy Cleese is trying to get rid of.
If I were the prosecutor I would call many of the recipients of these late term abortions as witnesses. They are not faultless. If they lie charge them, and if not let them face the world with their choice.
Many of these women were black and poor. Perhaps some of them were afraid of losing their men, or being beaten by them if they showed up with a baby. And maybe most of them were none too bright or educated. So there will be much pathos to go around.
But it’s a hell of a way to run a railroad isn’t it? It’s almost like the drug problem, shoveling s**t against the tide. They’re losers if you “deny” them an abortion, and they’re losers if you fund them. It’s hard to say where lay the winning hand.
Yet is it altogether inadmissible to wonder whether the next Einstein, the guy who would have cured cancer, or the next Hitler are in that pile of little fetuses? What futures lay in that refrigerator? In those rows of jars of little feet?
It recalls the scene from the Heart of Darkness. The baskets of hands. The baskets of black hands, just like these jars of little black feet. And they want us to go back, like Marlowe, to the sepulchral city — Brussels in case you’re wondering — all high-minded hypocrisy, all blathering about ideals and caring and human rights, and to lie, just one more time, to the woman Kurtz was betrothed to. To tell her, because there was no need to cause her needless pain, that that last thoughts on Kurtz’s mind were of her pure virginal memory. F*** that. The last words of Kurtz in the dark hold of that stinking riverboat were, “the horror. The horror.”
But that’s what we’re going to do. Lie like two bit grifter; lie because we’ve got to move on. Say Kermit Gosnell was a doctor in a noble cause, helping girls through a bad patch of life, who just got too greedy. Too capitalist. But in principle he was providing a service and we owed him … really we did. With that lie we’ll go back onto the streets and forget about it for a while. Go back to watching the TV and the dishes and the lawn, until the next time when what we keep hidden comes back up the drain to quiver in our faces.
There are none of us that are innocent. But that’s no reason to give up on trying to be. For the last damnation is despair; it comes from the acceptance that there’s no way out, no road other than Kurtz’s. But there is, if you believe it, because that’s what faith consists in. So long as we keep trying, and never make evil our goal through an act of surrender, though we fail ever so frequently, then there’s some good in us still, Mr. Frodo; and that’s worth fighting for.
#48 Wretchard
Hey now Kermit was just doing Bader-Ginsbergs bidding.MLK was no fool, there was a reason he was a republican and it may not have just been Lincoln.
bad borders and bad morals are two sides of the same coin. It was Jesus who reconciled justice and mercy. The horror of that Kurtz mentions reminds me of the horror by which the left regards Palin.
Romans 7:14-25 (New International Version, ©2010)
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
W@6:
“Of course the feminists will argue that they are going to be made reproductive slaves and there is some danger in that.”
I hope I can be forgiven for saying that I don’t believe that there is ANY danger in that. Reproductive “slaves”? Really? Even if we were to support the choice of abortion in the case of rape, incest or the life of the mother (with all three combined to make a vanishingly small percentage of all abortions)?
If a woman’s case does not fall into one of those three categories, that means that she willingly spread her legs and was a full participant in what happened. She had access to birth control…you can buy it in any public bathroom or over any drug or convenience store counter without raising eyebrows these days. She took the ride…and the ride comes with a price. That price should not be paid by the person inside her.
There are people crying out to adopt. I paid nearly $30,000 in the end (after extra legal troubles because of ICWA, natch) before I was allowed to take my daughter home. I’d LOVE to adopt another child, but can’t because of the expense. Much of the expense is because of the shortage of children to adopt. People travel to RUSSIA or CHINA to adopt because of this.
Any woman using abortion as retroactive birth control should rot in hell, in my humble opinion. As should anyone fighting to make this barbaric practice easier and more accessible.
2 Corinthians 2:14-17 (New Living Translation)
Ministers of the New Covenant
14 But thank God! He has made us his captives and continues to lead us along in Christ’s triumphal procession. Now he uses us to spread the knowledge of Christ everywhere, like a sweet perfume. 15 Our lives are a Christ-like fragrance rising up to God. But this fragrance is perceived differently by those who are being saved and by those who are perishing. 16 To those who are perishing, we are a dreadful smell of death and doom. But to those who are being saved, we are a life-giving perfume. And who is adequate for such a task as this?
17 You see, we are not like the many hucksters[a] who preach for personal profit. We preach the word of God with sincerity and with Christ’s authority, knowing that God is watching us.
In the minds of many in the pro-abortion movement, a woman’s right to choose an abortion outweighs her right to life… maybe they don’t see the connection, but it’s how they act.
To me (and maybe only me), there is a clear line from outlawing parental notification of an abortion performed on a minor, and this case. This is just the logical end of that kind of thinking.
As for a shortage of abortion providers… puhleeeeze. Phila is a short bus ride from NYC, NJ, Baltimore, and if there were any real access problem I’m sure Planned Parenthood would have stepped in to facilitate whatever needed to be done. I’m old enough to remember pre-Roe v. Wade, Planned Parenthood would run buses full of women from places that outlawed abortions to places where they could be perfomed, and they would pay the transport and medical costs if the woman couldn’t afford it.
I don’t get the story. Doctor has lost his license. But makes millions. In a black community where there are plenty of places dispensing birth control. Ah. But not drugs! Here? Victims with very little money “wait” and then pay thousands?
Gosh, it’s like seeing cell phones in the hands of kids who parents are on welfare. Where does the money come from?
And, what’s this about drugs?
How come the FBI got involved?
A black neighborhood has a “back alley abortionist” in today’s world. I just don’t get it.
From 2005: an article from New York magazine about the “new underground railroad”: hip women who are members of a network called Haven (according to the article, predominantly “white, Jewish, well schooled, and political”) who offer overnight housing to women who come to NYC for late-term abortions: “Most of the women helped by Haven are black and Latina, with GEDs or less, low literacy skills, and not much civic moxie.”
Of course the volunteers worry, as good libs do, about the “class divide”: One woman “worries that she won’t know how to talk to her guests. ‘I think my nervousness is about the class difference,’ she says. Katha Pollitt, the poet and Nation columnist, buys People magazine when she knows she’s about to be called up for Haven duty. ‘But then I worry: Maybe that’s patronizing. Maybe they’d rather read the Nicomachean Ethics.’”
Then the writer of the article muses about the moral question of abortion: “The worst story is really no story at all. The first woman Levine ever hosted was here having a late-term abortion because she had simply ‘put off’ dealing with her pregnancy until it was almost too late. The delay certainly didn’t seem to be for financial reasons: ‘She had a late-model pickup truck that was better than my car,’ remembers Levine, ‘and I wondered, Why am I the one paying for dinner?’
Levine rolled out the red carpet anyway. ‘I had to tell myself, “Every abortion is the choice of the woman having the abortion. This is about somebody else’s body. It’s not President Bush’s body, but it’s not mine, either,”’ she says. ‘Being pro-choice is a morality that takes you morally out of the picture.’”
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/features/15249/
The worst story is “no story at all”? The politically lobotomized conscience is truly a marvel to behold.
My daughter would be 25 years old this year. She was born on Christmas day, and had 12 hours on this earth. She followed her stillborn brother by two years. So yeah, I have an opinion–burned into me in a place I cannot bandage.
What we are looking at is the face of the left, with the smiley mask stripped off. And they wonder why we refuse to disarm?
Is Dr. Gosnell black ?
@ Wretchard (6) who said “Suppose I could show that there is a gender or racial bias in the late term abortions and abortions in general. That more blacks, for example, are aborted (maybe, maybe not). Is that a bug or a feature?”
Feature–at least according to Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg who said in an interview in 2009
“Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion.”
http://bit.ly/hQDn7M
One of the universal constants of the Left’s ascent and sojourn in power is slaughter. No matter the time or place, be it the USSR, Nazi Germany, Vietnam, Cambodia or anywhere the Left has become powerful, thousands upon thousands are killed. The reason for that, despite the various rationales (all for the greater good, don’t ya know), is not clear to me. However the pattern is there, and seems to be a feature, not a bug. I suspect that the slaughter of 50 million plus unborn babies is a manifestation of that rule. For some years now the drumbeat to expand the killing to the aged and the ill has been sounding in the West. Fortunately we are not quite there yet, but working on it. Of course, some are more ‘advanced’ than others, such as the Groningen Protocol. A prelude to freeing the long suffering body politic, I’m sure, from such undesirables as Wing Nuts and Christianists, to name but two exaples.
Tamquam the reason why the left tends toward slaughter is that the left is determined like hell to force their fantasies into fruition. The heart of these fantasies is always an idealized society, a vision of social justice. It’s a righteous vision, and the left always speaks breathlessly in terms of summoning the courage to bring it about. They prepare themselves thusly to kill their way to it, if that’s what it takes.
And that’s what it always takes. Fashioning the New Man is not for the faint of heart.
Abortion is a personalized, feminized version of this overarching desire. Women are licensed to kill their way through Nature should it stand athwart their preferred lifestyle choices. That’s seen as just and fair, a primal right. The siren call of an idealized lifestyle outweighs actual lives.
The leftist will not and cannot see the terrible cost of his ambitions. If he could, he wouldn’t be a leftist. But he is a leftist, meaning one trapped in an Eternally Recurring Revolution in many ways. Words like “revolutionary”, “iconoclast” and “activist” are honorifics.
They are people who are at war on a very fundamental level whether they realize it or not. And people at war kill.
Children need so little to make them happy because they see the world as we first see it, before we tell them the things they loved so much are cheap and that the only thing that’s true is that everything is all false. Before we make them adults.
And if that is called getting hep or growing up, instead of what it truly is, losing our way and getting lost, then it’s a nice name for forgetting the really important thing: that kings and beggars alike have just one earthly life. And what the nice ladies with only the best of intentions who think not having violin lessons, clothes or prep-schools means you ought to take a trip to Kermit’s forget is that an illiterate mother’s love is not as cheap as they think it is. They’ve put too high a price on the gewgaws and no value on the things that really matter. What does it matter if they only read People Magazine?
“But the love will have been enough; all those impulses of love return to the love that made them. Even memory is not necessary for love. There is a land of the living and a land of the dead, and the bridge is love, the only survival, the only meaning.”
One of the arguments of the pro-abortionists anchored on the observation of the number of women who died as the result of complications related to outlawed abortions, graphically telegraphed with the backroom and wire coat hanger image. As with any significant legal medical procedure there is always the potential of complications. Today, they don’t want you to know how many women die as the result of complications of legal abortions. It’s a number the MSM makes sure remains in the memory hole.
Wretchard wrote;
“They say freedom is a burden. I guess it is. But it is light compared to the burden you bear when you surrender to whatever it is that calls to us in the dark.”
Beautiful, another distillation of Truth into a pithy phrase, Wretchard you do indeed have a gift.
Re: rape as a cause of pregnancy. I have been a cop now for twenty-five years in the Metro Detroit area. In that time I have seen my fair share of rape victims, they are all provided with counselling at the hospital and again at the Women’s Center.
There is no case in my experience of a pregnancy resulting from a rape case. There is no excuse (IMHO) for a late term pregnancy being aborted because it is the result of a rape case, these concerns are carefully addressed with the victim as soon as we are notified of the crime.
Cris: Hardly. It is only the lie that man is not fallen that can support any claim to the need for absolute power.
The book of Genesis belonged to the Jews long before the Christians came along with their doctrine of the “fall of man” and they have held that “the soul that sinneth, it shall die”. A son may not be punished for the sins of his longfathers of old.
John Galt:
“What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge – he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil – he became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor – he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire – he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy – all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man’s fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was – that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love – he was not man.”
The genius of Cohen has captured both the answer and the cause of Frankl’s “Meaningless”.
If it be your will
A Thousand Kisses Deep
You live your life as if its real
A thousand kisses deep…
You ditch it all to stay alive
A thousand kisses deep…
As far as racial/economic issues go I would have to contend that the greatest factor in the decision is cultural. The Culture of Death commands a wide swath through the cities where abortion is most common. There are many poor women that choose to have their child and are happy, there are many wealthy women that kill their baby and are never happy. A soulless beast in a mansion is no better than one in a ghetto, just better appointed.
I do find it interesting that the Culture of Death holds sway in areas that reliably vote Democrat. As Toadold pointed out they are the ones aborting themselves out of existence. As a conservative I have raised my kids (five of them) to think critically and responsibly about life, they are very largely even more conservative than me.
Some of the happiest people I have ever met were so dirt poor that I felt guilty just knowing them. Guilty for my lack of happiness more than my relative (strictly relative, mind you) wealth.
If raw wealth were the deciding factor in your level of happiness there are a load of sheiks in the Middle East that would be giddy to the point of exhaustion.
The science is “settled” huh?
U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007
Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called “consensus” on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.
A note on the illustration – that is indeed a “moloch” and not the golden calf.
“moloch” was a cult of the local Canaanite tribes at the time when the Jews escaped Egypt and and conquered the land under the leadership of Joshua and the Judges.
Historical sources are not clear if moloch worship involved symbolically sacrificing children by passing them through fire, or actually burning them alive as an offering to the moloch. or both.
Surprisingly, the modern “palestinians” who also condone ceremonial child sacrifice of a sorts are totally unrelated to the original canaanite tribes.
While the Bible forbids emulating any of the practices of the idol worshippers, the moloch rite is singled out as particularly abhorrent. I think this is because the parents were putting their offspring in the fire while happily justifying their butchery as being “for the children”.
PACat @56. Thanks for that NYMag article! Goodness gracious.
‘I think my nervousness is about the class difference,’ she says. Katha Pollitt, the poet and Nation columnist, buys People magazine when she knows she’s about to be called up for Haven duty. ‘But then I worry: Maybe that’s patronizing. Maybe they’d rather read the Nicomachean Ethics.’”
So this is someone widely considered at the forefront of Left intellectualism, and she’s seriously contemplating that the denizens of the Hood whom she helps funnel to the charnel house actually might prefer Aristotle to People! My god, the disconnect from reality, the willful fantasy-scape, is just astonishing. The woman belongs in an institution if she’s that deluded. Yet this is what we deal with every day from the Left, this kind of delusion. One might add that Obama is the very picture of a Nation-reading Leftist. One wonders what delusions he harbors.
ADE @ 10. Thanks for reminding me about the Graham Parker song. Hadn’t listened to that in a long time. The Sex Pistols had a startling anti-abortion song as well, in “Bodies,” but I’ll leave off quoting it as it’s rather harsh.
#65 Teresita,
The book of Genesis belonged to the Jews long before the Christians came along with their doctrine of the “fall of man” and they have held that “the soul that sinneth, it shall die”. A son may not be punished for the sins of his longfathers of old.
You are highly selective in your use of my texts. What you have not done is address my questions of you speaking to your previous ignorant misappropriations. Currently, for instance, the English translation you cite concerning the “soul” does not speak to the understanding of “soul” as that concept is understood by orthodox Jews. For one thing, Teresita, the soul cannot die; it is immortal.
65. Teresita
The book of Genesis belonged to the Jews long before the Christians came along with their doctrine of the “fall of man” and they have held that “the soul that sinneth, it shall die”. A son may not be punished for the sins of his longfathers of old.
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Are you Jewish? All 5 books still belong to us, along with the prophets.
You almost got it right about punishment. See Shemot (exodus) 20:5-6. See also Joshua chapter 7.
The statement of the inherent goodness of all mankind is Genesis 1:32, “Very good”. You can’t argue with the author.
“John Galt” on the other hand clearly does not understand what actually happened in Eden.
Finishing when I was inadvertently cut off yesterday.
Perhaps some of you are familiar with this. Oh yea the acronym Quango is of English derivation..imagine that.
Fed Stockholders: don’t look for Joe Sixback
Examination of the charts and text in the House Banking Committee Staff Report of August, 1976 and the current stockholders list of the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks show this same family control.
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M.T. Pyne Equitable Life – J.P. Morgan
Percy Pyne Mutual Life – J.P. Morgan
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It was probably no coincidence that a story about a chinese mother saying her methods of raising children are better than American methods of raising children– came out….at the same time that Hu arrived in the states.
There are times when I can literally feel the walls of the USA being battered by the Moslems and the Mexicans. I know a lot of other Americans feel the hammering too.
The Chinese pose a threat of a whole different order.
I don’t know, you may have to write that novel about a chinese invasion of the Philippines just to understand it.
I camped out at a similar bar on 105 st & Amsterdam in Manhattan as your friend in the Philippines for a couple years until my mid 30′s–until I caught a vision of where I would be if I kept doing the same thing at 50…dead. Then I moved on.
36. steveaz
Ain’ts naw Happyfeet, I had just gonna and finsh me a heap o’ babyback ribs. Apppropse naw?
Who can claim with proof that the tax dollars funding the Mexico City Policy provides for tidy early term abortions only? Or do we not really care about what actually happens south of the border…..either?
wretchard@6 “he real argument against God, it seems to me, is why he allows such a vile thing as humanity to exist”
G-d is all. We may think that that is the ultimate freedom to choose; alas, it is not, for choosing one thing over another is less than all.
#72 Jay
Re: Are you Jewish?
It won’t stop the sophistry, but a great approach: Are you Jewish.
In case you missed it, she posits that Hebrew was invented in 19th century Germany. What then to make of the Cairo genizah, “The Guide for the Perplexed” et al, ad infinitum?
I am inserting a couple delicious quotes from an unlikely source. Enjoy!
“May heaven have mercy on the European intellect if one wanted to subtract the Jewish intellect from it!”
___Friedrich Nietzsche
“All honor to the Old Testament! I find in it great human beings, a heroic landscape, and something of the very rarest quality in the world, the incomparable naivete of the strong heart; what is more, I find a people.”
___Friedrich Nietzsche, “The Genealogy of Morals”
57. raven
My daughter would be 25 years old this year. She was born on Christmas day, and had 12 hours on this earth. She followed her stillborn brother by two years. So yeah, I have an opinion–burned into me in a place I cannot bandage.
Sorry for your burden. It’s very affecting to hear such accounts, and I appreciate you sharing this with us. A maverick feminist once wrote that the abortion rights crowd was making a terrible mistake by trying to pretend that many women facing abortion are not also emotionally torn. The notorious Jane Doe who started all this was just such an individual who felt ambivalence. She renounced the whole charade many years after the Supreme Court decision.
raven @ 57 said:
“My daughter would be 25 years old this year. She was born on Christmas day, and had 12 hours on this earth. She followed her stillborn brother by two years.”
Sorry about your loss. There are many people out there who have lost children that are suffering in silence. As you know, the pain diminishes with time but it never goes away entirely.
Gosnell’s crimes are “Hannible Lector stuff”. IMHO, the only moral issue here is whether he should rot in jail with multiple life sentences or face the death penalty. I must confess that the death penalty confuses me (I don’t like giving the state that much power). However when confronted with monsters like Gosnell or Islamic fascists, I find the death penalty less repellent (I’m still confused about this though).
blert
other info for you to look at on last blog
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I posted several angles about this story on my own blog (“Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee: OK to kill babies, but repealing Obamacare is murder“). One point:
Consider the racism of legalized abortion. The Rev. Dr. Edwin King, a white Methodist clergyman instrumental in the civil rights movement in Mississippi, was a chaplain at Tougaloo College near Jackson, Miss., in the early 1960s. He worked to convince white pastors in the area to issue a statement against racial segregation.
Denied membership in the Mississippi Conference of the UMC by its other white clergy, Rev. King joined the almost-wholly black Central Jurisdiction. In 2002, Rev. King, now a professor of Sociology and Medical Ethics at the University of Mississippi Medical Center — spoke about legalized abortion’s negative impact on black Americans.
Abortion is the high sacrament of the Democrat party. Abortion’s victims are mainly black babies. Yet, without a trace of irony or shame, Democrats such as Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee stand on the House floor and accuse the Republicans of wanting to kill people by repealing Obamacare.
Jay @72: Would you care to expand on what you think Galt may have gotten wrong or right about Eden? I think he’s a bit one-sided and dogmatic, but not wrong as such, which in short is the story of John Galt now that you mention it.
Aren’t we running up toward 40 million abortions since abortion was legalized in the U.S.? That’s a staggering figure. Will future generations remember this holocaust as the defining characteristic of world society in the 20th-21st century? Will God judge us harshly for it? As to the former, I can’t say; as for the latter, I suspect He will.
76. joe buzz
Who can claim with proof that the tax dollars funding the Mexico City Policy provides for tidy early term abortions only? Or do we not really care about what actually happens south of the border…..either?
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80 Americans were killed south of the border last year. That’s three or four times more than any other country.
Most of the murders were unsolved.
Donald Sensing @ 82 said:
“Abortion is the high sacrament of the Democrat party. Abortion’s victims are mainly black babies. Yet, without a trace of irony or shame, Democrats such as Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee stand on the House floor and accuse the Republicans of wanting to kill people by repealing Obamacare.”
The legality of abortion is very murky. IMHO, abortion is immoral but it is unclear whether it should be criminalized. Again, the horrible crimes of Gosnell are only tangential to the issue of abortion since he was murdering viable children (he is a serial murderer and should be punished for his crimes). My wife had a friend who had an unwanted pregnancy that represented a serious hit on her career and a major drain on her family’s finances. My wife’s friend made (in my opinion) the highly immoral choice of having an abortion. IMHO, her choice was incorrect because she terminated her own child’s life merely because it was inconvenient. However under Australian Law, her choice was not illegal. I believe that people who make those sorts of choices should be treated as moral lepers and shunned by polite society. However in my opinion, Australian law was correct because the issue of where one draws the line is unclear. For example, should it be immoral or illegal for a woman to have an abortion if she was the victim of rape, the pregnancy was a danger to her health and amniocentesis demonstrated a birth defect in the embryo. IMHO, this is an ethical slam dunk, there is no immorality in terminating that specific pregnancy. Now start relaxing the conditions, e.g. the pregnancy was due to consensual sex, or there was no health issues for the mother, or the embryo had no genetic issues. Where do you draw the line? That’s why IMHO, this should be a moral issue and not involve the legal process.
Roughcoat: Aren’t we running up toward 40 million abortions since abortion was legalized in the U.S.? That’s a staggering figure. Will future generations remember this holocaust as the defining characteristic of world society in the 20th-21st century? Will God judge us harshly for it? As to the former, I can’t say; as for the latter, I suspect He will.
I doubt it. The bible says the little mudpie that Yahweh made in the Garden became a living soul only when it took a breath. Monty Python once poked a little fun at the extremism that can be found on that side.
“…Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can’t be found…”
Abortions are over 50 million in the USA since Roe.
just look it up.
More on Jaynes “the origin of conciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind”
Jaynes’s father was a Unitarian. And Jaynes himself seems to have a low view of miracles/transcendent God/Jesus. Judging by Jaynes sideways comments he believes that Jesus is just a man–there is no transcendent God and there are no miracles. This is something that I disagree with.
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You want your language to connect both with ultimate reality and with your generations to come.(go this way,don’t go that way. have courage)
The problem with human sacrifice and homosexuality that the authors of the Pentateuch recognized was that these practices tended to cut men off from ultimate reality and their generations. Human sacrifice and homosexuality are vanities.
Make the number a bit higher. 53 million.
http://www.lifenews.com/2010/01/22/nat-5910/
“The bible says the little mudpie that Yahweh made in the Garden became a living soul only when it took a breath.”
Hmmm. Well, the mud out of which Adam was made was not a living creature. Therefore it could not, by definition, have been ensouled. But the being that is made, or created, at the moment of conception is indeed a living creature. And it is breathing, after a fashion. It isn’t breathing air, with lungs, but it is receiving the “breath of life” in a different form, from its mother. As well, I think there is a case to be made that the notion of taking a breath is a metaphor for ensoulment, which in my very humble opinion occurs at the instant of conception, i.e., when God gives life (breaths the spirit of life) into the fertilized egg. I wonder, though, how the ancient Hebrews felt about abortion and the life growing in the pregnant woman’s body? Did they think it was not yet a sanctified life–sanctified because it was God-created?
But, anyway, I am not basing my views on the creation myth in Genesis. In my opinion life begins at the moment of conception; and the life that begins at the moment of conception is holy because it comes from God.
I also think that abortion is a problem without a political, or legal, solution. It is problem that must be solved through the workings of culture. I am against it; I think it is immoral; I think it is a form of murder. But I don’t think it can be stopped by criminalizing it. It can only be stopped when people make a hearts-and-minds decision to stop it.
Roughcoat
I agree with you last two posts. I am opposed to abortion and when one looks at the casual way in which it is treated by the left, as if were a God given right…..now isn’t that sad. The left enjoys saying “You can’t tell me what I can do with my body” etc, but if there were no societal curbs even if they are codified we would end up enjoying Caligual and his horse.
The number is also staggering 52-53 million. I will never understand a culture that allows that kind of killing, and it is killing. There is no known record of a fetus going to full term and being delivered as a Buick or Cadillac. They are, in this country EXTERMINATED and knowing that the numbers exceed the killing of Stalin and Hitler combined it is totally debasing for a culture to allow it to happen.
The left cares more about clubbing baby seals than it does about sucking the brains out of a newborm 98% out of the womb.
wretchard @17: “The key debate in history, which seems to transcend all the current ‘isms, or of which all the currents ‘isms are simply the newest incarnations of, is whether humanity is allowed to “pursue happiness”, i.e. hope for salvation or whether we simply reject the freedom to do that.”
Jefferson called life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness “unalienable,” i.e., not able to be set aside, even if someone wanted to set them aside. I guess if you set them aside, you would no longer be free, or inherently a human being. You cannot sell yourself into slavery, because you are inherently free.
Tomorrow or some other day, unfortunately, the Court may find that a person has a right to sell him or herself into slavery, or commit suicide, basing the ruling on a penumbra of the commerce clause.
#91 Roughcoat,
Re: Teresita (diminutive mudpie girl;-)
It’s tough being conflicted in every possible way. One day you believe, when along comes a car, which hits a pothole, splashing muddy water all over your new suit. At that moment, you just know G-d is dead.
Shaw and Chesterton were great good friends for decades, sharing in each others joys and sorrows. Shaw the unrepentant atheist and Chesterton the great Christian apologist made an unlikely pair – but there you have it.
Such a friendship is possible only if each the other respects. That, sorrowfully, is Teresita’s flaw: She respects only the newest great thing. An ancient, revered discipline is so 2,000 BCEish.
Monty Python Every Sperm is Sacred
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
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One aspect of NOT having unwanted babies is a fading crime rate. Just on the numbers, the timing of Roe V Wade has an amazing correlation to plunging crime rates.
It’s getting so that we practically have to import them.
When you back out the dummies and psychotics, exclude other races, White prison rates are plunging, per capita.
Despite all the hand wringing, our population is not collapsing due to abortion. The biggest threat to traditional culture is unbalanced female divorce privileges in family court. Consequently the male now has a VERY positive incentive to sleep around and NEVER get married.
A trend that started two generations ago is now bearing barren fruit.
Ultimately giving women the right to vote has permanently changed society: government has replaced husband. We have BIG MAMA running the household finances into the ground.
When women were originally given the right to vote — in Britain — their voting age was 30. The reasoning being that with mating and babies were out of the way the gals would have maturity of judgement.
But the fact is that the female mind — particularly until reproduction is out of the way — is consumed with family issues. That it should be so is right and just.
In all my days I NEVER met a young woman seriously interested in worldly affairs: only, ever, dilettantes. What ever fraction of female humanity that is seriously interested in prioritizing non-family matters must be very limited indeed. Such a focus must threaten her own reproduction.
Now, later in life women are more than willing to get very political. However, there is a bias. Eons of evolution place the female — economically — receiving resources so as to sustain the next generation. With the exception of prostitutes and pimps, females are not emotionally geared to handing over resources to others.
We see this in everyday customs — like a gent picking up the check.
However, feminism has flipped the ‘rules’ on their head.
By elevating females we’ve made them restless — even down right unhappy in their marriage.
It is part of XX genes: females want to marry UP. By lifting a vast fraction of female humanity UP they can no longer marry UP. Indeed, it is now not at all rare to see the wife earning more than the husband. VERY FEW women are happy in such situations. Not that they’ll stop earning money. Rather, it’s time for a divorce/ spouse upgrade.
When you get up to Hollywood wages this dynamic rips families apart CONSTANTLY. It operates at a subconscious level so you can’t get a straight story from the gals.
Another factor is the completely errant notion that females benefit by spousal ‘promotions’ such as advanced degrees, etc. The track record of females finally passing the bar only to dump their spouse is so chronic it’s become part of divorce lore.
Again, elevating the woman/wife causes ALL women to set their marriage sights higher. Which ends up either making her less satisfied in a marriage — or breaks it up entirely.
Not so surprisingly divorce rates have exploded right along with female empowerment.
But there’s a problem. All of these ‘up graded & aiming up’ females are chasing a double shrinking male target base. This leads to either polygamy or chronic one-nite-stands.
The male target base is double shrinking because gals don’t want to marry men with ‘inferior’ education certificates ( diplomas ) yet we now have more gals getting degrees than men.
Further, the gals feel compelled to overreach and bang the top of the line male – briefly – and then discover he really IS out of their range. This is where a LOT of the abortions are coming from. Women ‘slip up’ in an attempt to bag Mr. Perfect — then correct their mistake at the clinic.
This gambit plays at ALL levels of society.
There is an unpleasant fact of human nature: elevating women above their mate makes them consistently unhappy. Marrying DOWN is NOT what women want.
If this errant public policy is not corrected the result must be a LOT of spinsters & life long bachelors AND effective polygamy by the very best studs enabling legions of government supported single parent mothers. The bulk of male genes in such a nation would never be propagated. Of course, prostitution and porn must simply explode to meet the need.
Women got the vote and in less than a century have set in place government policies that destroy the family and monogamy.
When one remembers that the First Directorate funded Feminism, well now we know why.
BTW, Moscow NEVER permitted any hint of Feminism within its sphere.
http://tinyurl.com/4axcroj
Right from a victim’s mouth.
Wretchard @62: “Children need so little to make them happy because they see the world as we first see it, before we tell them the things they loved so much are cheap and that the only thing that’s true is that everything is all false.”
I think it’s a Japanese proverb that until age six, a child lives in the empire of the gods.
Until ye be as a little child, etc. . . has been an affirmation of the essential goodness of the child and the need of adults to recover something of that wonder.
What does it mean that we want to extinguish children and childhood?
Ace is reporting the Alphabet networks have ignored this story completely.
Like the proverbial tree falling in the woods, if they never report it, it didn’t really happen.
97. blert
“Despite all the hand wringing, our population is not collapsing due to abortion.” I believe you’re correct, up to a point; Aristotle’s “Golden Mean” which as a society we’ve grossly violated in the abortion arena.
The theory of the mean is one of Aristotle’s best-known pieces of ethical thinking. It can be found in his book The Nicomachean Ethics. It is at once strikingly simple and fiendishly difficult. In a nutshell, Aristotle said that virtues are a point of moderation between two opposite vices. For instance, the virtue courage lies between the two vices of cowardice and recklessness. Recklessness is too much confidence and not enough fear, cowardice is too much fear and not enough confidence, courage is just the right amount of both. This can be expanded to most virtues and vices. Some other means that Aristotle laid out were temperance (or self-control), which lies between self-indulgence and a lack of sensitivity to your own needs, and modesty which is between bashfulness and vanity.
The abortionists have over the decades continuously pushed the dilation of when an abortion can be performed. They seek NO moderation. Historically this type of intransigence has increased the unraveling of a society and it’s moral values finally destroying the moral foundation of a nation. When a society can cast its eyes from the murder of 50 million babies its well on the way to deep decay.
To name but two others, Adam Smith and Immanuel Kant:
Many people who are familiar with Kantian ethics know chiefly of the perfect duties which rule out immoral behavior absolutely, and draw the conclusion that his is a formal, demanding, and cold ethical system. The same things have been said about Smith’s description of the operation of the market economy and the invisible hand in The Wealth of Nations. While Smith did say that the market economy could operate if all agents were motivated by pure self-interest, that would only be a minimally satisfactory social order, just as if all people followed only Kant’s perfect duties. Society would function, to be sure, but no one want to be a part of it.
But Kant’s imperfect duties mandate that persons adopt certain attitudes toward others – such as helping others when we can – and act in accordance with those attitudes whenever possible. A person who follows Kant’s perfect and imperfect duties is therefore not simply abstaining from harming others, but rather he is actively helping them, and thereby contributing to a truly harmonious society in a positive way. I see this as a direct parallel to Smith’s discussion of benevolence in The Theory of Moral Sentiments, which is also neglected by those with think of Smith only as the father of economics and a proponent of laissez-faire principles. While Smith held that the economy can function based on self-interest alone, he felt that sympathy for one’s fellow human beings,(babies included) and the benevolent feelings generated thereby, are necessary for society in the broader sense to prosper – in much the same way as Kant’s imperfect duties.
“In all my days I NEVER met a young woman seriously interested in worldly affairs”
Well I never met Amy Carter but Jimma use to discuss nuclear war issues with her when she was a pre teen, so I guess it does exist. In fact in the early years of our Republic many well off families, sitting around the dinner table would discuss with the children world events. Teddy Roosevelt made it mandatory in his home.
#74- Charles, isn’t grace wonderful, rescuing us from our own folly?
The evil doctor is a moral nihilist, trading infants’ precious blood for thirty pieces of silver. It would be better if a millstone were tied about his neck and he were cast into the sea than the torment that awaits him.
Photographs of Choices.
The “settled science” of abortion, on line.
There is a reason that Progressives want us to be only able to look one way in History, always to the indeterminable Future. Meanwhile, all around us, don’t look there!
blert @ 96 said:
“One aspect of NOT having unwanted babies is a fading crime rate. Just on the numbers, the timing of Roe V Wade has an amazing correlation to plunging crime rates.”
Careful Blert, you’re on the verge of touching that third rail of politics. Case in point: The liberal bemoans that two thirds of the prison inmates in the US are black males. Then the conservative points out that two thirds of the crimes in the US are committed by black males. At that point both the liberal and conservative decide it’s opportune to change the subject of conversation. Now (perhaps without realizing it), Blert raised the point that a large fraction of the children being aborted in the US are black. So one connects the dots, looks in the mirror and sees someone wearing a SS officer’s uniform….. The conclusions are morally unacceptable. Time to change the subject of conversation….
#99 Habu
Well written!
Re: While Smith held that the economy can function based on self-interest alone, he felt that sympathy for one’s fellow human beings,(babies included) and the benevolent feelings generated thereby, are necessary for society in the broader sense to prosper
The very meaning of “Wealth” to Smith and the other Scots.
Dr. Deirdre N. McCloskey has taken Smith the next step. See Rich Lowery’s assessment – Bourgeois Dignity & the Miracle of the Modern World
Re: Bourgeois Dignity & the Miracle of the Modern World
While it ain’t bear ropin’, it also is NOT the product of a fallow imagination.
In all my days I NEVER met a young woman seriously interested in worldly affairs: only, ever, dilettantes.
I had a friend back in college (late ’80s, early ’90s) who was genuinely interested in world affairs, politics, government. And history. BIG TIME into history. Imagine hearing “Happy Battle of Hastings Day!” on October 14th from some chick in your French class!
Not typical by a long shot. But I can attest that at least one of her kind did/does exist.
BTW, she said she’d been told at least a few times, “You think like a guy.” And she did not consider this an insult. Nor the highest form of praise, either. I think she just thought she was being herself, what was the big fuss, etc.
Off topic:
Over the last couple of weeks, Obama had a bolt-out-of-the-blue jump in his approval rating, refer to:
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/barack_obama/index.html?story=/opinion/walsh/politics/2011/01/19/obama_poll_bounce
The Salon article speculates whether this might have been due to the Tucson massacre and the MSM’s success in using the massacre against conservatives/Palin through the so-called “blood libel”. I personally suspect this was more of a political pendulum effect due to the Republicans gaining control of the House. However I find myself wondering whether or not the “blood libel” was planned.
Unfortunately, six months can’t go by without some screwball murdering a bunch of people in a school or shopping center. I wonder if the MSM had the “blood libel” in their back pocket waiting for an opportunity to spring it after some random massacre and thereby enhance Obama’s standing in the polls. It would be a very cute trick if they were that sophisticated.
blert @ 96,
Totally agree. And I can see that playing out all over the developed nations of East Asia. Good grief, even my country’s local Muslims, the Malay community, is experiencing total fertility rates of about 1.6 per woman.
Just to throw fuel on a fire, and divert the spotlight from the incurably shy Teresita to MC. “Do The French Ever Work?” H/T – Theo Spark
Racism has nothing to do with abortion, IMHO. “They” are not aborting black babies, black women are making the decisions. And black doctors are often performing them, such as in the case under discussion.
Which raises a question, pertaining to PA Cat’s entry at #26. Maybe the NAF inspector didn’t report clinic conditions to anyone because of the doctor’s race, not the patients’. A kind of preferential treatment.
Now, it could be argued that racism causes the women who are choosing abortion to choose it, perhaps. Or causes the kind of lifestyles that lead to many unwanted pregnancies. Those are arguments I wouldn’t make, however.
The demand for late-term abortions may reflect little more than the increasing physical discomfort of pregnancy, a tendency to procrastinate, or simple ambivalence.
Anyway, the moral issue is clear for those who value the individual life, gratuitous killing is never right. For the collectivist who is convinced the herd is too big, culling makes sense.
100. trangbang68
#74- Charles, isn’t grace wonderful, rescuing us from our own folly?
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Yes. I’d certainly be dead without it.
So many posts above. I join to note some things I’ve heard and seen over the years.
City officials had received many complaints on this facility over the years. Essentially they were ignored. The Philadelphia DA was Lynne Abraham since 1991 until last year. She is a staunch Democrat, and anti-gunner. It’s claimed she was a tough DA. Well, not quite. She was a harsh political functionary. Her office protected abortionists, homosexual activists, the politically connected and union thugs and prosecuted those who protested against Democrats and the protected groups. Look up Don and Terri Adams, charged with assault for being beaten up by Teamsters at an anti-Clinton rally.
Look up the prosecutions of Christians who attempted to hand out literature and to use bullhorns to speak at homosexual Pride rallies and parades in Philadelphia.
She also came down hard on poor blacks up on murder — bad guys sure, but she left their neighborhoods to rot by cozy-toeing with the politically corrupt — and as the dark side of this murder mill shows — protecting the morally corrupting influences of such liberal gas-chamber equivalents as abortion mills.
Abraham served as DA until last year.
Philadelphia’s Rittenhouse Square, Fairmount Park and Society Hill elite are going to have to decide what to do in the face of such human evil — fed and protected by oh-so-modern women and the men who love them via Planned Parenthood and the keep-abortion-legal ethos of many in the highly-connected Philadelphia Jewish Community. Long time Senator Arlen Specter’s litmus test claim — a demand — to Supreme Court candidates that “Roe v Wade is SETTLED LAW” came out of the elite of Philadelphia’s ethos.
This place of unspeakable evils carried out in mundane daily practice for many years is the real result of heartlessness.
This is a form of racial hate –such progressives and moderns by the fruit of their desires to have an easy abortion, or to give pride to “single moms” like a elite white woman Murphy Brown end up with a result of slaughtering innocent blacks, destroying black families.
ISN’T THIS A CONTINUING SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENTS, per the efforts of libertines like Margaret Sanger and her associates, passed down like Holy Orders to each new generation of college-educated professional white and white-like women, non-orthodox Jewish women first among them?
Where are the real women of valor to be found?
Do they love their vices so much as to continue to ignore the consequences to others of their actions to protect those vices and misplaced and perverted sense of “social justice” — for those consequences are utterly destructive for the black urban poor?
Why is one group made rich in so many things? To have wealth and luxury … why be so destructive with the fruit of the tree when it is let to you to have?
Why do I bother? These are my thoughts, observations. What good to come by posting them here? Who will see them that can act upon them for the good? It is frustrating to me. I know these people to not intend their actions to have such evil consequences, yet the evil snares us all and spins out havoc to others …
Please have care in what one advocates and makes a celebrated cause!
Reading a chapter a day in the Bible. Today was 2nd Chronicles, chapter 28. In verse 3 it claims King Ahaz: “…sacrificed his sons in the fire, following the detestable ways of the nations the Lord had driven out…”
This shows sacrificing babies did occur. The valley of Ben Hinnom has seen some terrible things. Wonder if those who own property in that part of Jerusalem see ghosts.
That whole predestination/free will thing. It is even more amazing since both are true at the same time. God fully in control, yet we somehow free to both sin and accept God’s gift of eternal life. As a Calvinist in good standing (at least 4 points), man’s depravity is a given.
God’s amazing gift, He loved us so much He not only died for us, but He suffered for us. An ironic twist; for some, they claim Jesus death child abuse, god the father demanding his son’s death.
Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares [weeds] among the wheat and went his way. But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”
Thus are people like Kermit permitted to exist for a little while once they have set their hearts on blood. Also, they serve to test us, so that our own quality may be made evident.
There will at some point come a harvest on America as well, when there is wheat growing along with weeds. This should be comforting for times like this, when we’re contemplating the tiny, perfect feet of murdered babies, and realizing that it would be just to set the whole field afire and walk away….
–JC
blert & eggplant, the high crime rates among blacks has a lot to do with the culture of abortion. If your mother thought that having an abortion is the equivalent of defecating, you too would have a different perspective on life. Those in higher income bracket have the surrounding culture to keep their excesses in check, the poor have only God. Once the moral fabric is destroyed all kinds evils flood in. Can you recall that once upon a time blacks were the most dapper dressers, and the most polite people around? The leftists and their nanny state destroyed black family life.
Ivan @ 114 said:
“The leftists and their nanny state destroyed black family life.”
The leftists and their nanny state are slowly destroying our entire civilization. In the name of false compassion, they ultimately ruin everything they touch.
Eggplant 102
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blert @96
John Lott has pretty much demolished Levitt’s “oopsanomics” theory of abortion weeding out the unwanted kids and reducing crime.
Lott points out that with the availability of abortion, peer pressure for unmarried girls to be more casual about sex increased, and the availability of abortion reduced resistance.
The result, according to Lott, was a greater increase in conceptions than there was in abortions.
Couple that with welfare regulations which insist that there is no man living with the mother, and you have a lot more kids born to single mothers. At least some of them going on to become crimminals.
Lott’s book, “Freedomnomics” explains it in a little more detail.
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I haven’t seen anyone mention Margaret Sanger’s overt racism, including giving an address at a Klan rally, and hosting a guest article by Hitler’s head of Eugenics (she also shagged arch British racist and fascist sympathising fabian, H.G. Wells).
One of the nurses charged played with a baby prior to “snipping” it.
Rather difficult to imagine.
112. bvw
Well done old chap, well done.
One addendum to your comments.
“Long time Senator Arlen Specter’s litmus test claim — a demand — to Supreme Court candidates that “Roe v Wade is SETTLED LAW ” came out of the elite of Philadelphia’s ethos.”
Two observations about Sen Specter, perhaps three. First he’s a Dupnik, second his Scottish “Not Proven” vote in the case of the Clinton impeachement marked him as the quintessential coward and finally for anyone to say the we have any law that is SETTLED LAW is a fool. So the fine citizens of PA won the trifecta,gaining in Specter a Dupnik, a coward, and a fool.
#83 Josh
Hi Josh,
I didn’t read that book, just what “little Teri” quoted from Galt in #65. Galt expounds the classic Christian view of “original sin” model of genesis, likely because that is all the author was familiar with.
However, Adam was created with a mind, morality, rationality, productivity (he was given a job to work and guard the garden), and desire to reproduce (the first children were conceived before the “fall”). The Creator did not make a robot or a zombie, but mankind – and all the potential of mankind existed in the first man. And He testified it is “very good”, and of course He knew and purposefully created the inherent danger that mankind can make mistakes (1:31).
The nature of mankind is to desire independence, and therefore it is difficult to acknowledge that everything comes from the Creator. This is a constant tension.
The error of Adam was in using the G-d given capacity for independence in the wrong order. See b’reshit 2:9,16 and 3:22 – you can deduce what I mean.
I recommend you see the explanation in “Strive for Truth” (in Hebrew michtav m’Eliyahu) by Rabbi Dessler, and the Nefesh haHaim. If you have questions please reach me at jinva2day at yahoo.
112. presbypoet
That whole predestination/free will thing. It is even more amazing since both are true at the same time. God fully in control, yet we somehow free to both sin and accept God’s gift of eternal life.
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This is the central tension/paradox/dynamic of western civilization. It goes straight to the very identity of Jesus. ie that he is full man and fully God.
How can these be true at the same time. How can man have free will while God is Sovereign.
“the real argument against God, it seems to me, is why he allows such a vile thing as humanity to exist”
“…with the ordinary conventions of civilized life thrown into confusion, human nature, already ready to offend even where laws exist, showed itself proudly in its truest colors, as something incapable of controlling passion, insubordinate to the idea of justice, the enemy to anything superior to itself; for, if it had not been for the pernicious power of envy, men would not so have exalted vengeance about innocence and profit above justice.”
“Though every prospect pleases, and only man is vile”
Jay @ 119: I think if you read Galt’s quote there, he is deriding the idea of original sin, and is overall in agreement with most Jewish commentaries on Genesis. If anything, he is deriding it a bit too strongly, if that’s your complaint!
I take the lesson a little more metaphorically, that it is the story of the creation of mankind (er, human kind), with a mind that does not just do or obey but knows – and the burdens that knowing can bring. Secondarily, it is a story that we must move forward for any new paradise is going to be in the future, not the past.
And no doubt, that disobeying G*d has consequences. Rand/Galt was big on consequences, though not in that quote.
I hope this “doctor” and his staff have a well-funded and expert defense, argued from first principles.
It’s time for the nature and extent of the “right” to “choose” to be fully explored, and litigated to the nines. That has never happened, and, rather like the Amistad and hundreds of other slave cases, prior abortion cases have not gotten down to the nub of the ridiculous Blackmun opinion in Roe v. Wade.
The “right” to “choose” is awaiting its Dred Scott case. Mr. Justice Taney thought that, by arriving finally at first principles (in that case, that “a negro has no rights that a white man is bound to respect”), that peace could finally prevail as anti-slavery agitation would have to cease.
Oops.
This poor, driven homicidal maniac should try to get a court to announce the first principle of the “right” he was executing – that the right of a baby to live is contingent upon the subjective emotional state of an adult woman, and that killing these babies in this manner is a nullity at law because of that.
Of course, Planned Parenthood and NOW, if they are smart, will throw him under the bus – but I think they are so f***ed up that they are actually spoiling for a fight like this one. I hope so.
Much of what we’re dealing with here goes back, it seems to me, to the denigration of women that was wrought, ironically, by the feminists.
The plan, whether attributed to the devil or the leftists, has clearly been to destroy the family and, thereby to weaken the Judeo-Christian cultural traditions that provide the bulwark against collectivist programs. Nowhere is the impact of this assault more obvious than in black America, where the moral bedrock of Christianity was pervasive until the Oh Great! Society programs of the 60s.
There are two essential features of womanhood, the spousal and the maternal. Feminism attacks both and insists that manly attributes are what matter most.
As a result, women no longer hold the revered status that they did in our culture 50 years ago, when their spousal and maternal attributes were prioritized. Plus, the even dirtier little secret of feminism is that it has been a license for men to behave badly. So, it’s no wonder that women, men, and children have all been cheapened. Human beings themselves are increasingly frivolous and worthy ‘objects’ of abuse, or even expendable.
This is how the culture of death works and why the Democratic party has become the party of death.
And let’s not forget that we just elected a man as president who fought for two long years to preserve the right of medical professionals in Illinois to throw live babies into the trash to die.
maineman…
I’d put it in reverse: Husbands are no longer revered.
The person who needs to ask:”Will you respect me in the morning?” is the male.
Due to Feminism, young women do not respect their mates. Marriages only hold together if the man loves the woman and the woman respects the man. It’s NOT quite the same thing.
And this is where ‘Beta’ males get it wrong. A successful marriage has ONE driving theme: the woman respects her man and feels deeply that she married UP.
EVERY girl wants her Prince.
Feminism has destroyed monogamy by causing a serious fraction of young women to never be satisfied with what nature has on offer.
This is intensified by ENDLESS TV which depicts Alphas doing Alpha things in an Alpha way. But only a trivial fraction of the male population can play at Alpha. Betas out number Alphas dozens to one.
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Father Know’s Best… it’s history.
Mrs. Cleaver is gone.
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It’s nothing but catting around: Sex and the City… etc.
Ultimately, across all demos, the gals are waiting too long for Mr. Good Enough.
Instead, they troop from one Alpha to the next and — way too late — bitterly settle for a Beta if not an Omega.
With any luck, the Omega will support the children, via one night stands, that the Feminist ‘picked up’ from her Alpha campaign.
Do NOT over look the primal drive of women towards Polygamy. Grabbing top shelf DNA from an Alpha looks extremely attractive to a woman’s limbic system. Particularly if state support is directly in view.
Strange as it may seem, DNA ‘upgrades’ are happening all over the ‘hood. The problem is that the female limbic system is NOT a deep thinker. It tends to go all hippity – hop over the bad boys. This over expression of anti-social genes goes a LONG way to explain multi-generational family breakdown.
Beta-Blacks are being driven out of the mating market place. The result is a raging disaster. And yes, the impulse to crime is embedded in DNA. What once made for a brave hunter/ warrior now just provides an over gutsy criminal objectifying civil society as just a hostile tribe.
This last bit of ‘logic’ is in full display by AQ mouthpieces fulminating from Yemen. Islamism now provides the ‘logical’ cover for murder and theft.
It’s going to be VERY rough in the immediate future.
maineman, could you expound on that “president who fought for two long years to preserve……”.
I have re-read this essay twice and am still astounded by the evil this represents. At one time I thought that legal abortions were a good idea because raising an unwanted child is a crime against the child also. And I had a friend in college who nearly bled to death from a back alley abortion. But this cannot go on. How many more of these ‘Kermits’ are out there? OMG! And who are the Planned Parenthood people that encourage (or turn their head) at this?
Orphanages would be better than this.
Blert @ 96
No argument with what you write about the feminizing of our politics…. not sure it’s been proven, but lots of people have made the connection and it sure seems like there is something to it.
But the idea that abortion may be justifiable on the basis of reduced crime is dangerous ground–that is a very leftist position of subordinating the individual to the needs of the State. If you’re just observing a possible correlation, fine, but if you’re suggesting a justification you’re on morally thin ice.
Keith @ 116
re your point about Sanger–indeed. Goldberg’s “liberal Fascism” great on that and related points.
Somewhere, sometime, we will all have to face the fact that while Hitler was defeated in war, many of his ideas live on. From virulent Middle Eastern/Muslim anti-Semitism to a large portion of environmental dogma, German 19th C. romanticism as interpreted by the Nazis still suffuses much of the world’s thinking– esp. on the left, where the similarities of Naziism and Bolshevism often seem to far outweigh the differences.
candide secure @ 126
One of the few things Obama ever did as an IL State Senator was to vigorously oppose a bill that would have given a baby, once out of the mother’s body, rights as a full human being, even if an abortion was intended… and therefore that killing and disposing of said baby was a crime.
Re: apropos Teresita’s little mudpie man
Sixteen Tons
Shabbat Shalom to all of goodwill.
Candide @ 126: widely publicized before the election. Here’s a summary I grabbed from Minnesota Right to Life website, which goes on at much more length. It meshes with what I remember learning at the time:
The Born Alive Infant Protection Act drew a firm line in the sand—no killing innocent humans after they have been born. It was a line Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama refused to accept.
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Obama voted four times against legislation to protect and care for infants accidentally born alive during late-term abortions. The carefully worded bill had no effect on abortion rights.
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A federal version of the bill passed Congress in 2002 without a single dissenting vote.
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For four years, Obama has said that he would have voted for the federal version because it contained a pre-birth “neutrality clause” the Illinois legislation lacked. When this claim was questioned, he said his critics were “lying.”
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New documents show that Obama voted on a version identical to the federal bill, which included the so-called “neutrality clause.” He voted against it.
Babies left to die
In Illinois, witnesses discovered that living babies were being left to die following a certain abortion procedure. In this procedure, called induced labor abortion, the pregnant woman is given drugs to dilate the cervix and induce contractions, forcing the premature baby out of the uterus. Sometimes the baby is born dead (killed by the force of the contractions) but other times the infant comes out alive—a “live-birth abortion.”
Nurses Jill Stanek and Allison Baker testified that these born-alive infants were being dumped in “soiled utility rooms” to die—some babies would survive only for minutes, while others lived for hours. This was done routinely at Christ Hospital in Chicago where they worked.
A September 2000 report from the U.S. House of Representatives’ Judiciary Committee noted that “physicians at Christ Hospital have used the procedure [induced labor abortion] to abort healthy infants and infants with non-fatal deformities…Many of these babies have lived for hours after birth, with no efforts made to determine if any of them could have survived with appropriate medical assistance.”
“Orphanages would be better than this.”
Yes, the argument that kids will be better off if they’re killed does kind of run into a lot of problems when you think about it.
Blert, looks like 2 sides of the same coin to me, or better, another facet of the overall attack on Truth and the natural order of things.
You’re right, the attack on maleness and fatherhood was simultaneous, equally destructive, and has included the denigration of cops and the military. It’s hard not to see the repeal of DADT as another effort to emasculate those who ultimately carry the responsibility for making sure that the rest of us are not enslaved.
But let’s be clear, the pill was one of the root causes of the delinking of women from femininity and men from the spousal and paternal components of masculinity.
Which means the Pope turns out to have gotten that one right, too. Once you divorce the sacrament of sex from its purpose of creating life and cementing the marital relationship, all hell really does break loose.
And speaking of Hell, that is what we are watching the liberals in our midst slowly sink into.
Dr. Gosnell will be vigorously thrown under the bus and directed towards rapidly spinning, heavy treads. Funny thing is, he had all sorts of accessories along the way, who should be held culpable as well, including those who operated outside his office.
A certain blog reads: “The outcry over Kermit Gosnell is justified. But to treat this as an abortion issue is to treat women like they’re stupid. We know what he did. And it wasn’t abortions.”
Kinda like the confusion over what the definition of “is” is.
122. Josh
Ok, I hear you.
What I was saying is that Galt’s argument against “original sin” is seemingly based on a complete misunderstanding of the nature of creation and the first man. It is clear that Adam was a moral, capable, independent being before the “fall”, so positing that Adam was a robot and therefore the “sin” was an improvement is not a valid attack on “original sin” doctrine. Unless Galt is assuming arguendo that Adam was a robot to argue with the Christian doctrine from within their own implied assumptions. Again, I didn’t read that book.
Be careful being metaphorical, you will miss the practical lesson. Check the verses I cite in #119 – what should Adam have done? Adam contained the potential for all of humanity. So what is the lesson for all of us?
Shabat Shalom.
Doug @ 117 said:
“One of the nurses charged played with a baby prior to “snipping” it.
Rather difficult to imagine.”
Excuse me, a circuit breaker just popped inside my brain….
O/T:
Birther’s rejoice, from Ace:
(Hawaii Governor) “Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
He told Honolulu’s Star-Advertiser: ‘It actually exists in the archives, written down,’ he said.
But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama’s birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.
And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.”
The good governor set out to once and for all end this “birther nonsense” and ended up pretty much proving our Dear Leader President wasn’t born in Hawaii. Ouch. Big Ouch. Kinda hard to maintain Buraq was born in Hawaii when there is no Birth Certificate. Which raises all sorts of legal questions as to how the appropriate officials said there was a birth certificate, when there wasn’t.
124. maineman said…
“And let’s not forget that we just elected a man as president who fought for two long years to preserve the right of medical professionals in Illinois to throw live babies into the trash to die.”
Also, a “man” who took his young daughters to Rev Wright’s hatefests for years.
Yet somehow the combination of press adulation and white guilt leave many still describing him as “personally attractive”
mostly ot:
Marriott International confirms intent to ban adult content
BETHESDA, MARYLAND
A day after LodgeNet Interactive Corp. addressed reports that a major hotel customer intends to phase out pornography in its guestroom entertainment offerings, Marriott International Inc. has confirmed that it is the company in question.
Adult entertainment offerings “will be off the menu for virtually all of our newly built hotels” going forward, Marriott spokesman Jeff Flaherty tells HOTELS, and that policy will eventually apply to all properties in the system as existing vendor agreements expire. It is expected that Marriott hotels will be entirely porn-free by 2013.
Here is the full Marriott statement:
“It is our practice to keep adult content out of the reach of children and unavailable to any adult who chooses not to view it. We have strong controls in place that allow guests to block these materials.
Changing technology and how guests access entertainment has reduced the revenue hotels and their owners derive from in-room movies, including adult content. We are working with in-room entertainment providers and technology vendors to transition to the next generation of in-room entertainment.
This new platform of Internet-based video-on-demand will facilitate our exit from the traditional hotel video systems that included adult content in the menu selection, and will also provide guests greater choice and control over what they watch.”
Charles 120: “How can man have free will while God is Sovereign?”
God limited his own omnipotence when He made the first man (individual) because he made man free. God is free, so a free man is made in the image of God. God’s omnipotence will be fully restored when the last free man dies.
No one has the power to limit God’s omnipotence – except for God Himself.
According to the grand jury report the clinic kept a collection of severed babies’ feet.
It just gets worse.
…scorching, burning, hellish thing. ghost babies with no feet. it sounds like Santeria.
The skinwalking babykiller needs to meet a big pair of Fiskar’s one day. Cut him up neatly feet first. It’s not so much how this monster can sleep at night but how in the hell does any woman or man consent to sleeping with him. How does his Mother feel about his “job”?
I wish no harm to come to this jewel of mankind but personally I wouldn’t piss on him if he was burning alive.
In 1985 I lost my first child in a 2nd trimester (21 weeks) miscarriage due to unstoppable premature labor. I was not shown the baby or told anything about her (sex, weight, etc) by the doctor. Being somewhat sedated up I didn’t protest or question this. A christian nurse whispered some details about my daughter to me. This was all I had to hold on to as I grieved and processed what had occurred. The hospital I delivered in performed a few abortions. My hospital bill called the “delivery a spontaneous abortion” and the baby was the “products of conception”.
I later talked to a friend who had suffered a second trimester pregnancy loss at a Catholic hospital in the same area Her son was only several weeks older than my daughter when she was forced to undergo an abortion to save her life (untreatable dangeously high blood pressure, later linked to an undiagnosed kidney problem). The abortion, inducing labor was performed at the Catholic hospital in the ICU. Her experience with her baby was completely different, she held the baby, took pictures and was helped by a hospital social worker. I’ve always wondered if the difference in our two experiences was due to my hospital performing abortions and therefore viewing pregnancy losses that weren’t full term as similar to fetuses from abortions. In other words not really babies and not quite human.