The Copencabana
Small Dead Animals has a translation of a German article which purports to describe how Barack Obama stormed into a meeting of heads of state, acting like it was a scene from a Hollywood movie. Although the Welt article has the most detail, there are collateral reports from other papers which suggest an extraordinary scene took place, although not necessarily confirming the details of Welt. The question is what happened and what did it signify.
The Welt story follows in its entirety, as translated on Small Dead Animals. But it is a strange story, with odd parts grafted together. Like the Iliad it begins with what might be called the Wrath of Obama as he breaks up a meeting in which the Chinese President, who seemed to be avoiding him, was participating. Then it suddenly becomes a sports drama. The President goes into a huddle with some of his fellow heads of state and then mounts the podium to announce an historic deal. This is the drama that has been highlighted in much of the US coverage, the part in which the President beats the buzzer with a 70 foot jumpshot from the backcourt. Finally, it becomes an escape movie. Because nobody seems to think its a deal who didn’t hear the key lines. No sooner has the President triumphed, then he leaves, with the remaining delegates open-mouthed, not knowing whether their talks have become redundant or are even in conflict with the meteoric One.
His arrival was immediately followed by a pithy presentation. Right after his arrival at the conference center, he let it be known to those present: “The time for [mere] talk is over.” He would assume leadership of the negotiations.
Together with Chancellor Angela Merkel, the leaders of Russia, Brazil, Japan, the European Union and of other important countries, Obama went to work. But it did not go quite as the Nobel Peace Prize-winner had imagined. Only Norbert Röttgen, Minister for Environment, Nature Conservation and Nuclear Safety remained optimistic. In spite of the tough negotiations, a compromise can be found, he said. “Today the die will be cast.”
Instead a fiasco had begun making itself visible and felt. It began during the night of Friday and Saturday. A small group of negotiators assembled from among the 30 important and representative countries, among them Germany, were still discussing the main features and principles to be included in a twelve-point document. It was titled “The Copenhagen Accord” and consisted of a three-page collection of vague aims, without specific legally-binding goals that were to be achieved.
Although China is among the worst climate polluters and has had a long ascent in becoming an industrial power deserving of respect and recognition, Premier Wen Jiabao was not among the participants in the talks-not that his participation was not desired. To the contrary!
According to rumors in the Bella Center, US President Barack Obama at about 11 PM, had impatiently asked to speak with Wen Jiabao in order to advance the discussion. But Obama had to wait. Wen, who, it was rumored, had rarely left his hotel room, could not be found. Finally, the US delegation located him in a room set aside for negotiations. A visibly furious Obama, according to reports, stormed into the room. “Are you now ready to talk with me, Premier Wen?” he was reported to have shouted. “Are you now ready? Premier Wen, are you now ready to talk with me?” What a scene for a US president.
Wen was not alone in the room at the time when Obama quite literally burst into the room, according to participants. At the time, the Premier was in a conversation with India’s head of state, Mammohan Singh and South Africa’s President Jacob Zuma. Suddenly the group saw itself forced into a conversation with the US president.
At the insistence of the impatient Obama, this unplanned and coincidentally-assembled negotiating round and participants, agreed on a minimal compromise.
Obama should have discussed, coordinated with and agreed to this compromise with his closest partners: the European Union or the G77 Developing Nations. Instead, at about 10:25 PM, he called together a number of American journalists for an impromptu press conference. There he announced, the “Copenhagen Accord” as the conclusion and product of the two-week long conference. He was aware, that many countries would consider the result as insufficient and unsatisfactory. More, however, was not achievable.
He thought it a significant achievement and milestone that large developing countries like India and China had, for the first time, recognized the necessity of reducing emissions and accepted to limit warming to less than 2 degrees Celsius.
With that, he packed his bags and flew home. Chancellor Angela Merkel also left and went back to Berlin. Both left Copenhagen without having achieved a clear result. And, what is even more serious, without having bothered about a follow-on to what had been announced as an historic conference. Dealing with climate was left to others. It was a serious mistake that would soon make itself manifest.
Even while Obama and Merkel were on their way home, late during the night, the EU Commission, even as they gnashed their teeth, declared themselves prepared to accept Obama’s minimum compromise. Unlike the Europeans, many African nations were not prepared to follow. At the plenary session, Sudan’s head, Lumumba Di-Aping was beside himself. No one is entitled to destroy Africa said the Sudanese who was the spokesman for the G77 Developing Nations. He said the document would mean the death of millions. Finally, Di-Aping aroused outrage in the main meeting hall by comparing the accord to the Holocaust.
The Pacific island-states also declined to agree to the Obama document. With an eye toward the promised $30 billion in aid mentioned in the final document, the president of the Maldives declared he was not prepared to sell-out his islands for “30 pieces of silver.”
The erratic and unfocused-appearing Danish president, Lars Løkke Rasmussen, at 8 AM declared that he, as president of the 193 nation-conference, could not agree to the Copenhagen Accord.
One final last-minute attempt was made to avert the total failure of the climate conference. For that reason, a negotiating session was announced. After hectic bilateral talks, at 10:30 AM, the conference agreed to “recognize the existence of” the Obama Document. With this lowest-level of diplomatic recognition, the outright rejection of the compromise by the United Nations was narrowly avoided. But no more.
The Welt article doesn’t paint a very sympathetic picture of the President, but it’s not at all clear who won the round. The Financial Times says that China “treasures” the agreement, despite being cast as the villain of the conference and defended itself from the charge it had abandoned the Third World. In exchange for what? We don’t know, but the WSJ describes talks between Duke Energy and the China State Grid to “to build transmission networks in the U.S. with Chinese technology”. Nobody is saying the Duke Energy deal is linked to Copenhagen, but it is not unreasonable to speculate that deals similar to Duke deal were part of the packages that were threshed out in Copenhagen. As an example of what might have gone on, it serves, though it may not be an instance itself.
Money is likely to lie at the heart of the European disappointment with Copenhagen. As MSNBC hints, there were deals done in the Danish capital, but they weren’t the deals the Europeans had set up. Brussels had counted on a UN process to channel the discussion into areas favored by the Europeans. But it disintegrated into a series of backroom deals and the Welt article can now be understood as Barack Obama barging into one and yanking out some of the participants in order to forge his own ‘unprecedented’ agreements. MSNBC writes:
It’s a climate deal no one loves, especially in Europe. The continent that used to take the lead in advocating climate action is now leading those grousing about what’s been done.
And it’s not just the results from last week’s climate talks in Copenhagen that upset politicians and business leaders in Europe, but the very process by which nations reached the agreed Climate Accord. Danish Prime Minister Lars Loekke Rasmussen was shoved aside as president of the conference in favor of someone from the Caribbean — Philip Weech of the Bahamas’ environment commission. When an 11th-hour deal was finally hammered out, the only leaders in the room were from Africa, North America, South America and Asia. …
European politicians blame China and other developing countries for cutting the heart of out of the agreement, with Britain accusing Beijing of vetoing a deal for mandatory emission cuts and an EU official complaining that some countries held the entire conference hostage.
“Never again should we face the deadlock that threatened to pull down those talks,” British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said Monday. “Never again should we let a global deal to move towards a greener future be held to ransom by only a handful of countries.”
“The vast majority of countries, developed and developing,” supported binding cuts in emissions, British climate change minister Ed Miliband wrote in The Guardian newspaper, but “some leading developing countries currently refuse to countenance this.”
One possible translation of the Brown and Miliband’s statements is that never again should the UN be put in charge of something so vital as setting up a deal. The UN people could not keep it on the European track and it went off on the Orient Express. There are indications that the Europeans indeed got shafted. The carbon trading market is already falling face down with a knife in its back. The WSJ reports that prices are falling on the “weak accord”.
Prices for carbon-emission permits in Europe are tanking on Monday, with a fall of nearly 10%, the biggest decline in almost a year. That’s a pretty clear sign that whatever the other merits of the “Copenhagen Accord,” it does nothing to actually tighten limits on greenhouse-gas emissions. …
So where to from here? The near-term prospects for European carbon prices—and, by extension, the vaunted “price signal” for a clean-tech investment rush–don’t look to great. There’s already a glut of permits, which has kept prices lowish. And there’s a fresh set ready to be issued in February, adding even more permits to a market that has more than it knows what to do with.
If there’s a moral to this story it is ‘watch your back’. That probably applies to the voters too. Maybe Al Gore felt better flying over than flying back. He should know better than anyone else that there’s personal and there’s business.
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It is worth noting that the unacknowledged spectre at Copenhagen is running out of money.
Greece will default, one way or another (and probably explicitly) on its bonds, and the EU will have to either abandon Greece and suffer the break-up of the Eurozone, or bail them out at great cost (and explain to German, French, and Italian taxpayers why their money went to bail out Greeks).
Simply put, the Global Climate scam ran out of other people’s money.
Greece is not the only one to require bail-out: Spain, Ireland, Portugal, will all require it. The UK as well, quite likely.
What remains is what price Obama will pay for ignoring jobs in favor of a non-problem for most (health care) with taxes now and benefits in 2014, and “Global Warming” during a blizzard.
A nice portrait of Obama’s arrogance and narcissism. He does feel he is the global Rock Star/Shaman.
A regrettable example of elites operating in a bubble within a bubble.
If the reports from Die Welt are credible and accurate, we have a pattern. Mr. Obama doesn’t care about the substance of this agreement, any more than he cares about the details in his stimulus or healthcare bills. As long as something is passed – anything – he’s content to accept the laurels of victory, strut his stuff, and move on. It’s clear now that his pathological ego needs constant nourishment. We can only hope that someday his facade cracks in public and we are treated to a tantrum by the man-child that he really is.
If the stakes weren’t so high it would be funny. All these “world leaders” acting like a bunch of four-year old brats playing “king of the hill.” And where is the Nanny to make sure that none of the children’s feelings will be hurt? That is the problem. Poor little Obama was EXCLUDED. Did no one ever stop to think what this what do to his self-esteem? Bastards.
Infanticide does sound ugly but when the infants hold positions of political power and are more than twelve years old the concept actually begins to sound reasonable and appealing.
“Are you now ready? Premier Wen, are you now ready to talk with me?” What a scene for a US president.
If this is true, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at this fool. In the West, we often think that a conversation ‘between man to man’ is how things get done. I might pull you aside and say, “forget about what I said in the press; that was for the stupid masses. I’m telling you man to man, that this is what I’m gonna do…”
In China, it is the exact opposite. It is all about preserving face. I will say one thing to you when we are alone so each can ‘preserve face’ and prevent an uncomfortable setting. I convey my true feelings by leaking them out to the press.
Didn’t anyone advise this idiot of a president about the differences in our cultures?
Of course, most Americans will never hear about this situation because the MSM will cover for him.
It is worth noting that the unacknowledged spectre at Copenhagen is running out of money.
The fundamental article of faith among the lowlife is that it doesn’t matter if the world runs out of money as long as you don’t run out of it. A grifter’s optimization algorithm is to be the last man to die; the last guy to run out. Economists might argue that it is “more rational” to create an orderly society where the tide lifts all boats. But they forget that it isn’t called the Prisoner’s Dilemma for nothing.
If politicians are fundamentally controlled by the societies to which they are accountable, then they will act as rational agents of that society. Once control is lost, they’ll act like grifters. Copenhagen is a preview of what happens when a lump of money is up for grabs. Every bluebottle on the planet — dictators from Africa, professional mourners, court jesters and fast-buck artists — converged on the Copenhagen because it was, to a large extent, unaccountable. But this also limited its ill-effects. The players were too busy knifing each other to turn against the publics of the world.
The fascination of Copenhagen lies in the juxtaposition of is purported high-mindedness with the brutality in the streets, the lunacy of the public theater and the tawdriness of the proceedings. And at the conclusion everyone leaves by private jet in the middle of the night.
The Union Delegate does better when the guys working in the pit don’t wonder what happened to their pensions. Tip O’Neill famously said that “All politics is local” but not all politicians are small timers. Obama is a ward heeler at heart with delusions of grandeur. He strode onto the world stage and he tripped. The Chinese are now in a state of barely controlled conflict with America. The Indians must be desperately seeking for a lifeline. Six two and even they were exploring a deal with China about something more substantial than wind farms when Obama broke into the room.
See Also: http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=1507
Live from Copenhagen, The Benny Hill Show!
They went into the back room to see if anyone left any chips on the table and discovered that the mark for The Sting was as busted and fake as the rest of the actors. We may end up grateful to Chris Dodd and Barney Franks for breaking the bank 16 months ago. It traumatized the system badly enough to get Obama elected but at the same time it drained away the loose change they were counting on to grease their games.
wretchard @ 6: If politicians are fundamentally controlled by the societies to which they are accountable, then they will act as rational agents of that society. Once control is lost, they’ll act like grifters.
Oh, great stuff, w!
But, now, back to our program.
I don’t know what to make of the Obama-barges-in story. Is it possible that Obama is that big a clown, and if so, assuming it is actually rational for him, how do we take that? Is this a Jesse Jackson, community organizer, kind of move? Did Obama’s cohorts support this move or try to restrain him?
I have heard the echoes of this in the government-controlled press, as Rush calls it, “We don’t need to stinkin’ Copenhagen, all those stupid little countries, all that really matters is the US and China anyway.” Though if I have any accurate view of China at all, they would view these actions by Obama as entirely bizarre and unrespectable, no matter the results. And I certainly do not see Obama as results-oriented – which is why I cannot really credit the story in the first place. Something is wrong with the telling, I strongly suspect.
I mean, ………. drugs? Is Obama still smoking, or is he addled by Chantix, or what?
These events have occurred in patients with and without pre-existing psychiatric disease. Patients with serious psychiatric illness such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder did not participate in the pre-marketing studies of CHANTIX and the safety and efficacy of CHANTIX in such patients has not been established.
Advise patients and caregivers that the patient should stop taking CHANTIX and contact a healthcare provider immediately if agitation, hostility, depressed mood, or changes in behavior or thinking that are not typical for the patient are observed, or if the patient develops suicidal ideation or suicidal behavior.
This is of course the purest speculation on my part, I have not even a rumor to the effect that it might be true.
This is just another in a long string of vile, racist attacks on our new Leader.
Apparently you racist hatemongers didn’t notice that we had an election last November. We won, you lost, and you will never get another chance.
President Obama rules this country now. He is leading us all forward into a new world of peace and justice.
You racist white male oppressors are finished. You would be well advised to just shut up and pay your reparations to your erstwhile victims.
The victims aren’t going to get a dime, any more than the guys who went into the Robert Taylor Homes got decent housing. The developments which were touted as being for the poor in Chicago gave a minimum to the victim and a maximum to the middleman.
The rule of the thumb is the bigger the shakedown the smaller the percentage anyone who might actually be a victim will receive. If you think about it, this makes sense. If the “victim” actually got something, then the shakedown would lose the poster boys. So the victim has to be kept in a pitiful state forever, so the shakedown can become even bigger.
This is the first of many humiliations coming down the pike at the Europeans.
They don’t seem to realize it, and the European politicians who do see it aren’t interested in helping their citizens get a clue, but the people who run developing countries look at Europe and see absolutely nothing worth emulating. To them, an increasingly affordable vacation destination is all Europe will ever be.
Well, I am waiting for the version to come out in film, James Cameron’s next blockbuster, “Narcissist!”
Briefly, a brilliant bi-racial man rides into a den of iniquitous world leaders astride his blue and white sky chariot, and thrashes them into agreeing to save the environment. All they have to come up with is a large quantity of unobtainium; better know as “money”. Large, unmarked bills. Millions of true believers will flock to see and wish to believe.
As the newpaper guy said at the end of “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance”, “when the myth conflicts with the truth, print the myth.”
Nobody would really believe the truth about Ransom Stoddard, and nobody will really believe the truth about Barack Obama. The myth has already been printed.
wretchard,
… the victim has to be kept in a pitiful state forever, so the shakedown can become even bigger
We are all Palestinians now.
Regarding the Robert Taylor Homes. A cop told me there was a bar across the street they called “The Bucket of Blood.” Long time ago I went to get take out from the “Ali Trolley” at 51st and State. Bringing that back to the dorm got me the Large Brass Ones award among my peers. That and walking down to 63rd, past the Blackstone Rangers, to get take out at Tai Sam Yon’s. Lived to tell the tale.
“Yes We Did:”
Hi, strange to see you here. Glad to see you got cut and paste down pat!
How are you with ATL=CTL-DEL??????
This statement fascinates me:
So where to from here? The near-term prospects for European carbon prices—and, by extension, the vaunted “price signal” for a clean-tech investment rush–don’t look to [sic] great. There’s already a glut of permits, which has kept prices lowish. And there’s a fresh set ready to be issued in February, adding even more permits to a market that has more than it knows what to do with…
One is tempted to rewrite it this way:
So where to from here? The near-term prospects for … [the stability of the US financial system] don’t look too great. There’s already a glut of [treasuries], which has kept prices lowish. And there’s a fresh set ready to be issued {soon], adding even more [treasuries] to a market that has more than it knows what to do with…
Jamie Irons
There is going to be a secondary effect of this turn of events, related to Whiskey’s money observation but something that will be slower and deeper but possibly decisive in the final round; the fundamental, core reason for support of the Global Warming hypothesis by the Europeans has just been dealt a death blow.
Think about why the Europeans have been so enthusiastically behind this effort, and no, it has nothing to do with actually believing in the “science”. This was a perfect vehicle for accomplishing 2 core goals:
1) Treaties which would creat new, more powerful international agencies which would have control over the international economy and which would presumably have high levels of European staff, since they felt they had the expertise, and
2) Through those agencies, the creation and control of vast new streams of revenue which could be funneled into European countries for a supposed “green jobs” boom. Germany, with it’s extensive solar projects and research was especially hopeful for this.
Relevance, Control, Money, and Jobs – This was going to be the prize Europe would earn for it’s years of AGW support at Copenhagen. You may say that this was unrealistic at best, but it doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority of political players in the EU have been acting as though this were unshakeably true. Who would dare oppose the idea when such a wonderful payoff was just around the corner?
And now – no agreement, no treaty, no new agencies, no revenue streams that Europe can even touch (Obama even has the nerve to ask them to give some up!!) *Everything* that they had gone into this hoping for has been dashed on the hard rocks of reality, and there is no hope of bringing those dreams back from the dead. That is why Browne is so bitterly disapointed – this was the last forlorn hope he had of resurrecting his electoral chances. All gone now.
Dreams die hard, and it will take a while before the reality of this sets in – it will take months, if not years. But it *will* set in, and when it sets in business, academia, and government will realize that there is nothing to be gained from pushing this forward anymore.
And on that day, the entire game is over. This could only be supported as long as the widest possible number of players still believed they had a good chance of grabbing a part of the loot. Once there is no more loot to be grabbed, there is no more reason to play the game.
The common term for a guy like President Obama is “he was born on third base and he thinks he hit a triple.”
Spoiled little freekin’ brat.
America’s federal government has become a game, both internally in shoving insane legislation through via Mob Rule, and externally as our enemies lick their chops knowing they have a free shot for the next three years.
These expensive pinprick Predator and Reaper attacks in Pakistan are reminiscent of Clinton’s absolutely inneffective expenditure of not only all our tactical Cruise missiles but even a number of SLCM that were retrofitted to fly up the butt of a camel – as a symbol.
President Obama thinks he’s playing a game, he’s hit an amazing, astonishing, historically unique triple, and he’s almost home!
It seems to me that if this is a reasonable description of Obama’s behavior, then the real story is why this was covered up by EVERY American news source. Fox is probably on some kind of blacklist and isn’t close enough to hear the rumpus in the back rooms.
How many journalists behave not as the president’s cronies (they don’t rate) but rather as his enablers?
” like a Hollywood movie”
I bet it was in black and white. Obama played himself in a pinstripe suit. The Chinese geezer was played by Robert Morley in black silk pyjamas. Marlene Dietrich stood in for Angela Merkel and Gordon Brown was played by Christopher Lee with fangs and blood on his collar…..
The script was lousy.
13 Nomenklatura, it’s not only Europe, but america too that were “snobbed”, or to make it shorter, the western world
China, India,Brazil, will diktate their rules, as they are our markets suppliers, so, expand the red teppish !
someone must laught on the red square in Moscow
eh, me too, but that has no repercution !
these con fonctionnaires got themselves into the pitfall
BTW the event must be real, I brought an exterpt of a french political blog on the former topic that tells the same.
I mentioned several days ago that obama had “won” because all he basically needed to do was to say so. That he bull rushed China and India into nodding agreement was totally sufficient for his domestic audience.
However the world is headed toward not a global warming but an economic worldwide depression brought on by obama. The Chinese will not forget his gutter-thuggish diplomacy and are no doubt at this very moment braining out ways to finish the monetary bankruptcy we’re currently administering to the globe.
Before the polar icecap melts as algore says it will there will be insolvency, war, and a host of horrors visited on us. obama and the communist democrats will be the cause.
But hear me. Economic collapse’s proximity is close enough to smell the sulphur from obama’s lying breath.
Copenhagen was clearly a shakedown, but I reckon most Americans will turn their hard-earned cash into something tangible faster than a kulak can grind a pig into sausage. The irony is that when the looters destroy faith in paper currency, they also devalue their purloined stash. As in Nicaragua in 1986 (I was there), and Zimbabwe today, cash is meaningless when the store shelves are empty. When production can be expropriated by the whim of government, people simply stop producing. Old story, except that America is not a defenseless society of peasants.
Josh #10
You wrote:
I mean, ………. drugs? Is Obama still smoking, or is he addled by Chantix, or what?
The Chantix exacerbation of psychiatric symptoms is a real and, at times, quite alarming phenomenon.
I was very surprised at the severity of the symptoms induced in patients I was seeing when I saw it for the first time (I am a consulting psychiatrist and do not prescribe smoking-cessation agents myself).
Varenicline (the generic name for Chantix) is an interesting agent, a partial agonist of the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor. Jean-Pierre Changeux, the great French molecular biologist, first elucidated the structure of this receptor, the first such structure ever worked out.
Jamie Irons
JI @ 25: Better Obama should invite Algore over and smoke two joints.
He smoke two joints in time of cold
And two in times of warm
He smoke two joints before he smoke two joints
And them he smoke two more’m.
The world needs to be jump-started. It needs to have its perceptions “adjusted.”
A dramatic gesture or two by a charismatic leader is all it takes, then the drones can get to the details and finetune things so we’re all locked in and heading in the right direction. The rank-and-file doesn’t understand detail, but it does love drama.
Orient the rank-and-file in the right direction. Later on, someone will work out the details how to get from A to B.
This is how we community organizers work. If you actually had to figure out how to achieve the desired goals, you’d never get started.
The masses love a leader for his intuitive-thinking, self-confidence, and inspirational posturing. And don’t you forget it.
I’m right and I know it. I have visions.
However the world is headed toward not a global warming but an economic worldwide depression brought on by obama.
Obama isn’t solely responsible for this. It’s been coming on for a long time now. The Europeans have created an unsustainable bureaucratic and welfare bubble. It’s possible the Chinese are sitting on their own bubble. For a long time the whole thing was held up by a collective suspension of belief. But now the props are keeling over and the facades are being revealed for what they are. The really scary thing is 2010 may be the year the bottom falls out of China. And then we all do an imitation of the famous Wilhelm Scream.
We are coming to the end a phase and should be glad of it. The sooner the charade ends the sooner things can be fixed. And since there’s a lot of real wealth and talent in the world, and because technology is powerful, I have no doubt that we have the power not only to put things right but to build an incomparably better world.
I was reading an article about the comparative developments in battleship and anti-aircraft fire control between 1939 and 1944. BB fire control improved by a factor of two or three, but AAA improvements were a hundredfold. And the reason was that the harsh requirements of reality forced the AAA people to do things that worked, whereas the relative infrequency of capital ship engagements meant this powerful incentive structure was absent.
If we have a crisis in 2010 it could lead to greater democracy, a world in which we develop real energy sources and build things. The year 2015 could be the finest year on the planet. But to get there a huge almost glacially immovable mass of bureaucracy and faux aristocracy has to be moved out of the way. And I think they will largely do it to themselves. The trick is to harness the discontent which I think is inevitably coming in positive and nonviolent ways. That’s not to say unfortunate things might happen unintentionally here and there. But that’s the friction of history. The important thing is to transition to a better world in democratic and political ways rather than in dysfunctional ones.
The generation of the 1920s and 1930s failed to find an orderly way into the new world and fell prey to demagogues. In any given crisis, new demagogues will rise and many will be tempted to follow them. Let’s hope we’ve learned enough, or read enough about the last 70 years to realize that demagogues often take one from bad to worse.
I think 2010 may be both a good and a bad year. Bad in that it will be full of bad news. Good in that it will give the world a chance to truly fix things. All they really need is faith in common sense and a little bit of common decency. This, plus an extraordinary slug of uncommon daring and extraordinary luck.
Limpet6 @ 28: Also, the details are trivial, since the real issue is only that The Man has been standing on The Peoples’ throat. Move him aside and the natural order is golden, and for the first time in our lives we can be proud of the UN.
Mmm, mmm, mmm!
Hot Air discusses and links to Der Spiegel’s take on this.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/21/der-speigel-copenhagen-a-club-for-losers/
#13 Nomenklatura says something very important, “European politicians aren’t interested in helping their citizens get a clue.” This is true for the terrorist threat as well as green issues. The Brent Spar spectacle scared them, and the parliamentary party system which can shut alternative voices by denying them a place on the party’s electoral list is pretty good at maintaining the received wisdom. Add this to the already present utopian bent, and you get cloud cuckoo land, AKA Europe.
The Obama thing of rushing in, making a big speech, shaking hands, pissing off people then leaving as fast as he arrived, with everybody scratching their head…you know, I can understand that. Obama is Obama and he absolutely loves to run things until, well, until he has to actually run things. Some think that Obama is incompetent while others think he’s lazy. Me, I lean toward the lazy side. Either way, Obama has turned himself into a cartoon character, more fitting on some newspaper’s Sunday comics section than in the old 1500.
What really has me confused is the behavior of the other world leaders and delegates to Copenhagen. WTF were they thinking? These people have done summits like this before. They know what needs to be done, both before and during the conference, to make sure the conference ends with some modicum of success; and yet every last one of them failed…epically. Copenhagen makes all of these people, from Brown on down, look like some high school teenager who forgot to study for today’s mid-term exams…and nothing at all like the future rules of the world that they envision themselves to be.
I was reading an article about the comparative developments in battleship and anti-aircraft fire control between 1939 and 1944. BB fire control improved by a factor of two or three, but AAA improvements were a hundredfold. And the reason was that the harsh requirements of reality forced the AAA people to do things that worked, whereas the relative infrequency of capital ship engagements meant this powerful incentive structure was absent.
Um, pardon me, but I want to be sure this isn’t read the wrong way.
I would rephrase it, to point out that BB fire control improvements by 2x or 3x were sufficient to do the job, whereas the higher speed of aircraft targets – including the increasing speed of aircraft over that period – demanded a 100x improvement to meet a minimum standard of effectiveness. It’s NOT NOT NOT that science will meet an unlimited demand – that is Obama’s favorite myth, and a stable of 1950s gung-ho science fiction stories, and there is no evidence in the real world that such things eventuate or we would long since have cured cancer, invented the warp drive, and perfected the college football playoff system.
I do a lot of database optimization work. Most guys are happy if they improve performance of some procedure by 2x, or even 30%, or 10%. My fun comes from improving the performance by 99x, I’ll often decline to deploy a mere 2x change, not worth the change control overhead and change risks. The point being that systems have their own parameters and are best addressed on those terms, and not by some constants across categories.
What does that have to do with the price of healthcare? Er, not much. It is often true of systems that you have to let them have their downward excursions, and then just wait for the rebound. I’m afraid we are very much in that mode today. Well, kewl. The worse they make it, the easier for someone to come in later and make 99x improvements. Get out your lemonade recipes.
It speaks volumes that we as a country might elect someone to lead our country who has insufficient experience, no track record, and throws his weight around like a college sophomore.
Wen on the other hand, does not suffer the introspection of a man who is dissected by his own press. Who presides over a communist tyranny that does not have freedom of the Press. A leader, who is probably dealt with kid gloves by his own people and probably is not used to young people addressing him other than; your Excellency.
We have a standing army and nuclear arms. China has a standing army and nuclear arms. How could all this pabulum be so important as to create animosity like this?
It speaks volumes that this nation is so completely filled with hatred and racism that we’d vote for such a man. The good news is maybe the Chinese will cut off our addicted government from the drug of borrowed money . And people still think Nixon was a jerk. At least he brought relations back from the brink. It will only take one egotistical maniac to set it back though.
I hope someone is compiling all the negatives Obama is getting in the world press. he who was going to restore our imager in the world should be confronted with the facts.
I can envision a scenario in which Obama finishes out his term sedated and drugged.
“Time for your frog pills Mr. President.”
“Just watch the teleprompter and read the nice speech your very good friend and advisor John Lieberman wrote for you.”
“Oh darn, he pooped his pants again.”
K @ 32: Obama is Obama and he absolutely loves to run things until, well, until he has to actually run things.
And then – he runs!
Yes, well said, your entire post.
Marie Claude:”Someone must laught on the red square in Moscow. eh, me too, but that has no repercution ! these con fonctionnaires got themselves into the pitfall
”
Uh,You mean, these guys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mPho_BlN6M&feature=related
Boiled Cabbage,
Well done. There are people on the net who put together your kind of vision. I’m thinking you should send that to Iowahwk or The Nose on Your Face.
If you look at “We Won” then the possibility of a non-demagogue finding power post-crisis is approaching zero.
The choice is not between the status-quo ante, ala the “Hard Internationalism” of Truman, JFK, and Ike, and the sort of icky, corrupt, transnational post-national, post-Christian, post-”White” identity that puts the ridiculous clown Lumumba Stanislaus Di-Aping, from genocidal, jihadist, and slavery-practicing Sudan, at the head of the African nations.
No, the desire of “We Won” to outright replace Whites (the majority of America, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada by huge amounts) and the native majority of Europe leads inexorably to the BNP-like phenomena.
What other choice do White majority middle class have? We Won tells them to shut up, get to the back of the bus, and pay out to numerically inferior non-Whites for the “crime” of merely existing.
As America runs short of money, the pressure to screw over the White Majority to benefit the alliance of Blacks, Hispanics, Elites, and to a lesser extent, women, is irresistible. With predictable results. The Weimar Republic fell because in the end, no one felt like dying for a regime that lacked even a smidgen of legitimacy and offered German men a dose of humiliation and exclusion.
I have no doubt that “We Won” is correct and Obama, filled with racial hatred against Whites as he wrote in his books and demonstrated with his choice of pastor, church, mentors, career, etc. will try to rule as absolute Chavez-like Tyrant. His ability to do so is however limited by the vastness of America and the overwhelmingly White-Middle Class nature of it. Obama is likely one massive shock from being removed from power, impeachment/conviction or otherwise.
But we won’t go back to soft, Ike-Reagan-Bush internationalism. Rather, it is likely all across the world to be a return to nationalist isolationism, with each nation playing to the majority population, and seeking trade protectionism AND military security. The logic of nukes + economic depression alone makes each nation have to look to itself by a national deterrent (plus demonstrated willingness to use it).
I don’t like this, but I can see its logic. It seems to me inescapable as the coming collapse of the EU and Eurozone.
Whiskey, Cassandra isn’t a part for a superman like you
uh Cellec, no comprendo, nothing happens in your video
11. Yes We Did, I smile every time you put in your two cents. Some here haven’t yet figured out that you are entirely joking, which I think makes the act all that much more enjoyable.
…at about 10:25 PM, [Obama] called together a number of American journalists for an impromptu press conference. There he announced, the “Copenhagen Accord” as the conclusion and product of the two-week long conference. He was aware, that many countries would consider the result as insufficient and unsatisfactory. More, however, was not achievable.
He thought it a significant achievement and milestone that large developing countries like India and China had, for the first time, recognized the necessity of reducing emissions and accepted to limit warming to less than 2 degrees Celsius.
With that, he packed his bags and flew home.
But–and this is the really important part–did he bring with him, and produce for all to gaze upon and admire, a signed piece of paper guaranteeing the end to global warming in our time?
Well, personally, I think that Obama is doing the work of three full grown men.
And their names are Moe, Larry, and Curly.
And just think, folks, this is the guy who is embarking on a new Strategic Arms Limitation treaty with the Russians. In other words, something that might even really matter.
Well, personally, I think that Obama is doing the work of three full grown men.
And their names are Moe, Larry, and Curly.
And just think, folks, this is the guy who is embarking on a new Strategic Arms Limitation treaty with the Russians. In other words, unlike The Middle East Peace Process, Global Warming, The Olympics In Chicago, and The Noble Peace Prize, it’s something that might even really matter.
RWE,
Stuttering?
I think he is only doing the work of two men, Laurel and Hardy.
OT, is everyone following this?
RasmussenPoll
Obama: Strongly Approve 26% Strongly Disapprove 43%.. Approval Index:-17… total approval 46%… http://tinyurl.com/preztrack
Heh, sorry Marie, just teasing a bit. Your reference to “con fonctionnaires” made me think of an old R&B act. Link should go to youtube (con funk shun). Just joking, I enjoy your posts.
Wretchard, what article were you talking about? I like warships, too, so could you please post links to any interesting things that you find?
@29 @33- OT-
Wretchard et al -where were you reading about WWII AAA and fire control? On a previous thread you all suggested “Brown Shoe Admiral” a biography of Frank Fletcher which was great reading.
Cheers
InlandEmpire
Re: 11
I’m increasingly of the opinion that Yes We Did is just being sarcastic, and is not a real troll.
On the other hand, if he really is serious, then he’s almost a cartoonish parody of a troll.
OT
This is important, as close to a coup d’etat as I can imagine happening in America important.
Please read this. http://tinyurl.com/ybtjkbf
It takes 67 votes to change the rules of the US Senate, always has. Reid inserted into the Health Care bill a provision that changes the rules so that it will take 67 votes to repeal the legislation. They are passing this change with only 60 votes. This is a bare faced assault on the Constitution. This is on the order of what Obama and Chavez’s friend the thug Zelaya attempted in Honduras. This is happening in America,
To be blogged under the title “A Real Crisis.”
LOTM–God I loved Tai Sam Yon—parents took us there about once a month from as far back as I could remember until I went away to college. Came back, got married, went there with the wife and kids for a while, until one day–gone!!
Back to topic—
I’m reminded of something called “the Seagull School of Management,” maybe there’s also a Seagull School of Diplomacy:
Fly in, land in the middle of everyone, screech in all directions and flap your wings, then shit all over the place, and fly away.
Eh?
RWE @ 45:
Well, personally, I think that Obama is doing the work of three full grown men.
And their names are Moe, Larry, and Curly.
LOTM @ 47:
I think he is only doing the work of two men, Laurel and Hardy.
No-no-no-no-no. He is doing the work of ONE man.
Rufus T. Firefly!!!
“The last guy nearly ruined this place, he didn’t know what to do with it.
If you think this country’s bad off now, just wait till I get through with it.”
With a special cameo by Bill Clinton as Chicolini:
“Isn’t it true you tried to sell Freedonia’s secret war code and plans?”
“Sure, I sold a code and two pair of plans.”
Gotta love the Marx Brothers.
BTW, I’m doing a project on Frank Capra and just watched “Meet John Doe” tonight. Friggin’ remarkable film. The indictment of mass media in particular. Nobody in the movie so much as bats an eye at the morality of making circulation bucks and careers and sensationalist drama out of the wholly contrived stunt of having a guy leap to his death from city hall at midnight on Christmas Eve. (Christmas Eve suicide, shades of “It’s a Wonderful Life” there) This blood-curdling deal with the devil is, one cannot help but feel, watching today, something the media has not given up its appetite for. If anything, they crave it more than ever.
LOTM @ 52
Link didn’t work but I found what you’re writing about.
Looks to me like this will last until the Senate and House have majorities and parliamentarians (appointed by the majority) who want to nullify it, and it’ll be gone.
Since repeal couldn’t happen until then anyway, I’m skeptical this would really stop a determined majority.
An interesting harbinger of where they’re taking our former representative democracy, tho.
LOTM@ 52
I read that over at RedState.com. Posted by Erik Erickson. I’m not surprised by it, just a little more depressed is all. But, on the other hand I have resolved to fight on, come what may. I will work to turn back the communists and hope one day for the sun to shine again on my beloved America.
bogie wheel,
You win. Game, Set and Match.
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/12/21/health-care-nullification-things-have-just-gotten-underway/
Respond please, you learned minds of BC.
I’m sorry, Wretchard, for throwing up all over your nice blog with that HUGE link. I’m not savvy enough to link it to a custom phrase like I’ve seen done here.
Would this be a good time for me to take back some of those nice things I said about Lieberman in Dec. 14′s “Monkey Trap” thread?
Well, at least he isn’t Obama…and at least he’s got some experience doing something.
starting to think maybe they have affirmative action on the Harvard Law Review? Because Comrade Obama doesn’t seem to be a smart man, no matter what Joy Behar or anyone like that thinks.
Interesting that you should mention the Harvard Law Review. In March, I transcribed a portion of audio by Carol Platt Liebau, (first female managing editor of the Harvard Law Review) that went largely ignored at the time.
The link to the original audio file seems to be dead now, unfortunately.
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/010944.html
At any rate, her observations are interesting.
Ashen@59
Tried to give an example of how to do links. Found several ways to get marked as SPAM instead.
Google anchor tag
Good God.
What comes to mind?
Petulant. Willful. All-knowing and utterly infallible, just ask him.
I dread the day this bozo gets put on the 60-second clock for a hard decision.
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Ashen [#59]
A suggestion: if you’re using the Firefox browser, get the ‘Shorten URL’ add-on.
It turns this: http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/12/21/the-copencabana/#comments
Into this: http://2su.de/GV
[It has about a hundred different choices of URL abbreviations, and it works for hyperlink insertions as well.]
Tinyurl doesn’t work for everyone, and quite frankly is over-rated.
Thx for the tips y’all. I’ll see what I can do with my iPhone as I had to cut expenses since I’m funemployed /s. Can’t afford the Internet and phone and new computer I went with the iPhone. If it had Flashplayer and Word etc. It would be ideal. Again, thx for the tips. Goodnight y’all. I hope things turn around for us real soon. God Bless you all, God Bless America. And Merry Christmas too
Here’s what I use:
[a href="http://mywebsite.com"]My Title[/a href]
(Use angle brackets in place of the square brackets.)
I stole that from Gates of Vienna, and saved it in a text file.
For lack of a better analogy, Obam-uh seems to be engaging in sea gull, rather than smart, diplomacy. As borrowed and paraphrased from the business world, this involves flying in, crapping all over everything, offering no answers, and then flying away. In the short term, it seems like you are doing something, but eventually everyone else comes to realize that they’re covered in crap!
Huh. Well, maybe next time they play a zero-sum game, everybody will get to be a winner.
Kae Arby
Why not both? I think he’s too lazy to have ever learned how to be competent in anything other than bamboozling idiots.
I suspect that too many other things got in the way. The financial meltdown made it much harder to push an economically debilitating ecogenda at home (wherever home happens to be:
GreatMediocre Britain, Australia, Germany, etc.), and then the Climategate imbroglio at the eve of the conference. I think they just couldn’t get their ducks in a row. In other circs, they would probably have postponed the conference, but I suspect two things made them rush ahead anyway with the hopes of winging it:1) postponing Copenhagen in the wake of the CRU leaks would have seemed like the politicians caving to the skeptics and would have given the “it’s all a scam” meme additional force, making it harder to get the postponed conference rolling again.
2) more importantly, I think they realize in some dim and foggy vision that what Wretchard said is true – an era is ending and Copenhagen may very well have been the last chance to cash in the on the AGW scam.
Limpet6
Yeah, you gotta remember, nine years ago Lieberman was willing to sell out the majority of “principles” he’d stood for over his career to be the bottom half of the Sore/Loserman ticket. I figure he’s just another damn lawyer politician, lying every time he opens his mouth whether he means to or not.
Wretchard
It’s a hopeful vision, perfectly in the spirit of the Season. I do think you are correct that the bureaucarcy and faux aristocracy (I love that – faux!) will move themselves out of the way. Mostly they will make themselves irrelevant. They are largely incompetent at solving problems anyway. Their stock in trade has been manufacturing fake problems, then pretending to solve them while pocketing a ton of money. In other words, Obamacare…
Unfortunately, while they’ve been runnign their scam, nobody has been taking care of the machinery of civilization and it is begining to wind down. Real problems are on our doorstep and these clowns are obviously unfit to handle them, so they will be dumped very quickly.
I’m less inclined to think nonviolent ways will work though. There are just too many pigs at the trough, and most of them have no useful skills to fall back on. Since a big part of the crisis is that we’re out of money, we just can’t continue to slop them. But there’s no where else for them to go, so they will fight. Dead-enders, as Rummy once said of another group of detestible leeches.
I’d like to be full of peace on Earth and goodwill to all men, and I am optimistic that in some future Christmas those sentiments will once again hold sway. But for now, I think the Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter will soon return.
A
to ArtD0dger (#68) and a nod to JMH’s Copenhagen analysis (#69).
Gordon Brown: “Never again should we let a global deal to move towards a greener future be held to ransom by only a handful of countries.”
Principally China, one assumes. And so one must ask: “Whaddaya gonna do about it? Start a trade war with China? D00d, srsly?” I can’t think of a more useless waste of CO2 than that emitted by Brown when exhaling this derisory verbiage.
@Josh of #10,
I would argue that not only is it possible that Barry Obama is that big a clown it’s actually quite probable. And it’s not drugs but merely the typical behavior pattern of a typical Chicago Democrat who’s become too acustomed to 70+ years of unquestioned poltical power within Chicago. If you examine the behavior of Todd Stroger, Mike Madigan and Richard Daley Jr. you’ll find that they’ve been showing the same patterns as well. I suspect Mr. Obama honestly thinks of America as merely a larger Chicago of which he is “Boss” and is trying to run his presidency accordingly. He, like his compatriots are indeed on a drug and that drug is called hubris. Hence the reason he treated Wen Jiabao as though he were a stubborn Ward Committeeman.
@32. Kae Arby,
If the world leaders, particular those of Europe, look like a bunch of unprepared high school students perhaps that’s because that’s essentially what they are however old their bodies might be. The bubble they’ve enveloped themselves is somewhat different in flavor from the bubble that the Chicago Democrats have put themselves into but it’s a bubble all the same. The penalty of filtered news for those who filter it is that they too are blocked off from the information. Lack of feedback does bad things to the intellect.
@34 Annoy Mouse,
In fairness to the American people let us note that the shrewdest minds in the world are still only as good as the information on which they have to make their choices from and that, as has been noted both here and elsewhere many times, Old Media has chosen to be a censor rather than a provider of the news. Old Media is paying for it with their slow death. I think Wretchard is right about 2010 being a year of change. I suspect the final election polls will show the beginning of liberalism’s worst nightmare come true and there is nothing they can do to stop it. ^_^
hmmmmm…Duke Energy building a grid in the US with Chinese technology.
Hasn’t China been known to embed it hardware with “extra” functions.
Like maybe controlling the Grid?
> Hasn’t China been known to embed it hardware with “extra” functions. Like maybe controlling the Grid?
We’ve hired firms from other countries to build our infrastructure; this need be no different. But the software controlling the grid, now that is another matter entirely. If software is delivered, it had better be written to meet requirements. And our Obama government – any government – would be traitorous if it did not simultaneously start a program to write our own software to control the grid. This would be a matter of national security. And our software would by national security have to replace any delivered Chinese software.
cellec, thanks
RE: #62: They do indeed have affirmative action on the Harvard Law Review. The editor was traditionally the student with the best grades, but the selection process was changed in the 1970s because …. wait for it … not enough minorities were getting to be editor, and that would be, like, you know, unfair.
When Big O kicked over the docket
Copenhagen went up like a rocket
The EU turned blue
It’s sauve qui peut
And they acted like crabs in a bucket
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Illegitimi nOn carborundum
Shiver Me Timbers said
The Chinese said:
Obama’s teleprompter, he don say nuttin.
Right on, herb. The world does not have so much money to buy more US Treasuries.
Is it just me, or do others here feel like a big wave of nastiness is building. I’ve been feeling it a little ever since early last spring, and it’s just been building and building. The Copenhagen confab and the whole climate thing in general feels to me like a lot of misdirection to distract from fiscal stuff.
And not just of the US, but most of the world. The Chinese seem to be the only ones that have any money, and they have their own whole set of problems. But the entire world just seems like it’s in the last stages of kicking the money can down the road, and the game is very nearly up. It feels like China is about to reverse gears and start dumping treasuries. They won’t have a choice. You can’t blame them for trying to protect their interests the best they can. We’d do the same. But that event will be the beginning of the end, and I can’t see it coming later than a year or two out now. I just wish I could see what it will mean to me personally and my family a bit clearer. I also wish my wife could see it. She’s wondering if I’ve gone off the deep end, and doesn’t want me to keep spending money on “useless” stuff.
The way to tell if someone takes something seriously is whether they actually put their money where their mouth is. I settled about $15,000 worth of debt about a year ago, and have spent about that much more getting my family ready to weather a storm that I see approaching fast. Brother can you spare an extra 10 grand? I could use a bunch more tools, fuel, storage food and ammo.
Yeah, I’m scared.
I recall way back in the campaign reading somewhere that Oblamey was the first, last and only Harvard Law Review editor to never publish a thing in the Review (other than one unsigned note). And this same huckster gets a PROFESSOR job without ever having published a single academic work! This must be another first, last and only.
Never underestimate how far you can get mau-mauing white Liberals.
Does it strike anyone else that, if the reports are accurate, Obama’s pushy aggressiveness might be the result of him being, in turned, pushed to the breaking point by unseen hands (and money) behind the scenes? I keep thinking that more and more, his erratic behavior is the result of the quid pro quo for his purchased election being enacted; i.e., “We *bought* you your damned Presidency – now you *will* do as you’re told! Dammit!”
But as other commenters have noted, the global economy, as well as America’s, has already been well and truly looted so there’s nothing left for the Puppeteers to scoop up. And what good is a broken-down union-made out-of-gas heap to who-ever the wannabe Masters of the Universe, greedy for power and world-domination, turn out to be?
It’s almost enough to make one go “tee hee”.
(I want our military out of Iraq and out of Afghanistan — now. It’s not a question any more of fighting Islamic jihad or helping them to help themselves. We need patriots with guns back here at home — now — to deal with whatever is going to go down in our own streets. More and more, I’ve got a bad feeling about all the desperation that’s in the air — the foreclosures, the rising unemployment rates, the bank closures, etc. ad infinitum. In the LA riots in 1992, they burned down their own neighborhoods, but stopped their nonsense at the boundaries of Beverly Hills. I’m not so sure they’ll stop at Beverly Hills the next time, especially if they’ve got a President who’s assured them that he’ll support their efforts.)
Obama the narcissist does not handle failure well, so let’s not forget the slap-down he received at Copenhagen at the hands of the IOC three months ago.
Hopenhagen, IIRC, was rumored as an expected bust due to the economy some months back, and it was suggested that Obama might not even attend. That changed to a token fly-by appearance at the beginning of the conference on his return trip from Norway after claiming his Nobel Prize.
Soon after the Climategate leak, the visit was rescheduled for the end of the conference, when leaders would hammer out the deals — a reluctant arrangement, likely due to pressure from O’s carbon-trading and other AGW-related backers.
He was enraged at the prospect of being put in a position to fail again, so he stormed in, stomped around, and cut out, accomplishing nothing but the avoidance of the appearance of failure.
We are witnessing the first fully-staged and choreographed US Presidency, and may God bless us, every one, this Christmas season and in the year to come. We will need all the help, divine or otherwise, we can muster.
This report could be just typical anti-American BS from the Europeans. Democrats thought it was only George Bush they hated. They were wrong. Many Europeans envy and hate all Americans, Republicans and Democrats. Trying to please them is impossible. Best to do what’s right for America and ignore them.
This is interesting only in that Obama’s antics, and this is what they are, remind me of the bullying tactics of the 60′s and 70s union bosses in Australia. I must confess to being surprised at his attitude, even though I am familiar with his grounding in community organizing and his training of the likes of ACORN.
I wonder what all the “He will govern from the center” right of center supporters are thinking now.
Just maybe have a union thug running the country.
Very likely so, and bellow is a link to a Los Angeles Times piece (AND DEVASTATING PHOTO!!!) illustrating this situation -
It appears that Obama was very frustrated that his act went nowhere and Wen avoided him – then he forced a meeting with Wen and… here the photograph is indeed telling, with mister Wen in an imperial, if not an contemptuous posture listening with to a perspired Obama who kept doing some ‘splanations…
Terrible indeed, since the photo shows that Wen didn’t even tried to hide his dislike for Obama’s antics – someone who looks like is teaching an ACORN workshop -
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/obama-wen-jiabao-bow.html
23. Habu
we live in intesting times. China is a co- dependent, and I think they will be watching Caligul-O closely. They will likely test the water for a reaction before doing anything dramatic with/to O.
Obama is a checker player at a chess tournament.
Gordie needs to get a grip. It’s been decades since England could give the world marching orders.
As a conservative, I found Dopenhagen a delightful experience. Con men, hustlers and morons put in their rightful place. Plus the compost-in-a-suit politicians got reminded that while men plan, fate giggles.
I see a lot of people on this thread remember Tai Sam Yon.
I like #53 Marty’s reference to the Seagull School of Management. Fly in, screech a lot, fly away. I’ve experienced these kinds of managers, and Obama fits their profile very well.
Seems like Wikipedia was part of the warmmonger plot. The individual in charge of editing thousands of entries on climate going back to 2003 was part of the conspiracy. This British “scientist” saw to it that articles critical of the theory never saw the light of day. Many of the critics were put on Wikipedia’s banned list for persisting in questioning the orthodoxy. When the lid blows on something like this it’s like a ball of fire turning a bright light on the shadows.
WWS said in post #18:
“And on that day, the entire game is over. This could only be supported as long as the widest possible number of players still believed they had a good chance of grabbing a part of the loot. Once there is no more loot to be grabbed, there is no more reason to play the game.”
This is a very good point. You imply that AGW is a Ponzi scheme. I never thought about it that way but now I see much truth in this perspective.
Looming behind the high-steppin’ Luddite sociopaths parading the trans-national arena –Vaclav Havel alone seems sentient– lies the reality of cyclical climate change, a reversion to Pleistocene Ice Time on the heels of a 70-year Maunder Minimum plus the overdue end of our current Holocene Interglacial Epoch.
Since the Cretaceous/Tertiary (K/T) Boundary 65-million years ago, five geological eras have averaged some 14-16 million years apiece. At 1.8 million years to date, the Pleistocene has 12-14 million years to run. Since this era is characterized by well-defined periodic glaciations averaging 102,000 years, interspersed with median 12,250-year remissions, we can expect recurrent bouts of continental ice sheets for the indefinite future.
Geophysical history indicates that plate tectonics, Wegener’s “continental drift”, drives this phenomena– specifically, North and South America wall off Earth’s eastern and western hemispheres, interfering with deep-ocean currents that determine global atmospheric convection patterns. (When Gondwanaland clumped all landmasses together at the South Pole, Earth experienced pre-Cambrian ice ages exceeding half a billion years.)
Full recession of continental ice sheets is conventionally dated from c. BC 8800, followed by a 1,500-year “cold shock” called the Younger Dryas precipitated by cometary/meteorite debris impacting Earth from Sol’s enveloping Oort Cloud (qv). Absent this setback the Holocene would probably have ended about AD 500, coincident with the Fall of Rome. So on a statistical basis, we obtain a pro forma date of AD 2000 + (12,250 – 12,300) = AD 1950 as Long Summer’s nominal end.
For decades now, death-eating nihilists –Ehrlich, Holdren, Singer, Greenies and Warmists of every stripe– have sabotaged America’s energy economy, opposing development of coal, oil, nuclear resources at every turn. Given inescapable “dead sun” episodes through c. AD 2080, Climate Cultists’ victims now face mega-deaths for decades, allied with atavistic regression to post-Enlightenment Statism that blights everything it touches. Prevention is the only cure… but our Boomer pop-cult’s self-indulgent narcissism has egregiously failed that test. We could spin scenarios, but the die is cast.
‘The overdue end of our current Holocene Interglacial Epoch’. Aka the new ice age.
Basically, we are going to need all the global warming we can get. This is why climate science is so important and why the Gorbacle, the perversion of science that is the AGW is so dangerous. We need good science.
These Pleistocene glacial cycles were driven by Milankovich discovered variations of Earth orbital parameters. They depend on Earth orbit eccentricity, which is 6 times less now then at the start of the last glaciation. That means, this mechanism is not operable now. There will be no new Big Glaciations in foreseable future – only small ones, like Little Ice Age of 17 century, due lack of sunspots. But this can be bad enough, though.