The Lordlings
Peggy Noonan adopts a meme that has been sweeping the blogs of late, the idea that America’s elite is broken; so broken she says, that it doesn’t know it’s broken. In a WSJ article, she describes the current and disastrous reign of “callous children”; people who have “never seen things go dark” and are leading their nation into the abyss. For the first time, she says, the national mood is one of despondency. There are no solutions because the problems come from within. The heirs have grown strange and wayward. They have gone off into the dark to return at whiles speaking in odd voices. Noonan describes the sense of loss she feels in the current economic and political crisis.
Everyone had a path through.
Now they don’t. The most sophisticated Americans, experienced in how the country works on the ground, can’t figure a way out. Have you heard, “If only we follow Obama and the Democrats, it will all get better”? Or, “If only we follow the Republicans, they’ll make it all work again”? I bet you haven’t, or not much.
This is historic. This is something new in modern political history, and I’m not sure we’re fully noticing it. Americans are starting to think the problems we are facing cannot be solved … from the White House through Congress, and so many state and local governments … they are not offering a new path, they are only offering old paths—spend more, regulate more, tax more in an attempt to make us more healthy locally and nationally. …
Rep. Barney Frank had just said on some cable show that the Democrats of the White House and Congress “are trying on every front to increase the role of government in the regulatory area.” The executive [Noonan spoke to] said of Washington: “They don’t understand that people can just stop, get out. I have friends and colleagues who’ve said to me ‘I’m done.’ ” He spoke of his own increasing tax burden and said, “They don’t understand that if they start to tax me so that I’m paying 60%, 55%, I’ll stop.”
The bipartisan urge to tax and spend has become an addiction. And amazingly enough, the addicted think the music will never stop. Those words: “I’ll stop” are a phrase that the people in power — “the children” in Noonan’s words — never thought to hear. What? Stop? How can you stop? How can you say there’s no more money? Where have you hidden the money? Those in power think there’ll always be more money, Noonan believes, because there’s always been money. All they had to do was cry louder to make it come. They’ve come to imagine they’ve come into possession of a magic orange. All you have to do is squeeze harder and the juice keeps flowing out. She continues:
When I see those in government, both locally and in Washington, spend and tax and come up each day with new ways to spend and tax—health care, cap and trade, etc.—I think: Why aren’t they worried about the impact of what they’re doing? Why do they think America is so strong it can take endless abuse? I think I know part of the answer. It is that they’ve never seen things go dark. …
they don’t feel anxious, because they never had anything to be anxious about. They grew up in an America surrounded by phrases—”strongest nation in the world,” “indispensable nation,” “unipolar power,” “highest standard of living”—and are not bright enough, or serious enough, to imagine that they can damage that, hurt it, even fatally.
We are governed at all levels by America’s luckiest children, sons and daughters of the abundance, and they call themselves optimists but they’re not optimists—they’re unimaginative. They don’t have faith, they’ve just never been foreclosed on. They are stupid and they are callous, and they don’t mind it when people become disheartened. They don’t even notice.
“They don’t even notice.” But in the end, they must. The one thing no generation of parents can protect their children from is reality. No inheritance can withstand the foolishness of heirs. The harsh arithmetic on the frontier, the terrible outflow of dollars and cents, the gradual and then sudden loss of credibility as people see they are dealing not with serious people but with gilded fools cumulate their irresistible effects. In the end the gay parade of capering children enters a dark cavern and the entrance shuts behind them. Those who don’t want to join in this cavalcade have two duties.
The first is to survive; to have the wit to realize that if something can’t go on, then it won’t. The administration is touting “green shoots”. Others might use the phrase “pushing up daisies”. People who can tell the difference have got to rig for depth charges and evade worst; but be ready to take aggressive productive action where they can.
But the second duty is more important. Those unentranced by the magic flute have an obligation to remember what happened; to keep the history books free of revisionism so that by shame and memory those pied pipers who led a generation astray can never return unchallenged to sound their witching tune again. But for the children already lost to the dark we can only wish that wherever they have gone, they’ve found what they were looking for.
The mayor sent East, West, North and South,
To offer the Piper, by word of mouth,
Wherever it was men’s lot to find him,
Silver and gold to his heart’s content,
If he’d only return the way he went,
And bring the children behind him.
But when they saw ’twas a lost endeavour,
And Piper and dancers were gone for ever,
They made a decree that lawyers never
Should think their records dated duly
If, after the day of the month and year,
These words did not as well appear,
“And so long after what happened here
“On the Twenty-second of July,
“Thirteen hundred and seventy-six:”
And the better in memory to fix
The place of the children’s last retreat,
They called it, the Pied Piper’s Street –
Where any one playing on pipe or tabor,
Was sure for the future to lose his labour.
Nor suffered they hostelry or tavern
To shock with mirth a street so solemn;
But opposite the place of the cavern
They wrote the story on a column,
And on the great church-window painted
The same, to make the world acquainted
How their children were stolen away,
And there it stands to this very day.
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I’ve known for a while now that when liberal politicians try to justify some new tax or intrusive legislation by saying “it’s for the children,” they’re being self-referential.
We are governed by creeps, misfits, and perfumed princes who live and move in cloistered, socially incestuous circles. They don’t know anyone in “public policy” who went to law school at LSU or Creighton.
When I was in my residency a favorite professor told us to always consider first the option of doing nothing, a la “first do no harm”. He pointed out that the decision to do nothing was not at all the same as failing to make a decision, despite the superficially similar outcome.
He pointed out that, in a wild city-county hospital such as ours, there was indeed a need for speed quite often but that, also, it was very, very easy to just keep doing more. “You can always think of something else to do but the critical question is: ‘Should I?’ ”
This also comes up in end-of-life care but the point is, in government as in medicine, you’re often judged by how much you do and seldom on the need for it. Hence tax-spend-elect, etc.
PS: I’m glad to see Noonan has experienced her moment of epiphany. After her adoration of Obama during the campaign perhaps now she will turn her pen to helping correct some of the mess she contributed to.
It would appear that the process of “just stopping” has alrady begun in, of all areas, “Big Pharma”.
The Law Of Clintonian Consequences
Now is the time at SDA when we juxtapose!
August 2003 – [In] August 1993, when Congress passed Clinton’s Vaccines for Children program. The plan, promoted by the Children’s Defense Fund, was to use federal power to ensure universal immunization. So the government agreed to purchase a third of the national vaccine supply (the President and Mrs. Clinton had pushed for 100 percent) at a forced discount of half price, then distribute it to doctors to deliver to the poor and the un- and under-insured. As a result: Where 30 years ago, 25 companies produced vaccines for the U.S. market., today only five remain, and there is only one producer for a number of critical shots. Recent years have brought shortages of numerous vaccines, including those for whooping cough, diphtheria and chicken pox.
October 2009 – Where is the H1N1 vaccine manufactured? There were four manufacturers’ products approved for use by the US FDA and CDC:Melbourne-based CSL Ltd.; Novartis AG based in Basel, Switzerland; Sanofi Pasteur of Sanofi-Aventis SA, based in Paris; and MedImmune, LLC, the Maryland US based Subsidiary of London’s AstraZeneca.
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Interesting that you should close with a bit of Browning’s poem. Peggy Noonan reminds me of the kid on crutches who couldn’t keep up and got left behind when everyone else danced away under the mountain. As I recall she was quite taken with Obama, oh yes precious, while the very thought of Sarah Palin sent her running to the thesaurus for new and ever more tedious ways of expressing her queenly disdain. And for all her trouble she’s not even an honorary czarina! Shameful!
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And just as I became assured
My lame foot would be speedily cured,
The music stopped and I stood still,
And found myself outside the hill,
Left alone against my will,
To go on limping as before,
And never hear of that country more!
Does Ms. Noonan recognize that she is one of the children?
I only ask because she is and has been part of the ‘elite’ power structure that runs from Boston to DC.
Has she read her past columns, particularly in the past two years when she decided to board the ‘Hope and Change’ train? Does she understand that she bears some responsibility for what she now recognizes is a loss of ‘a path through’?
It is an interesting piece: she recognizes a problem but not her role in making it so.
Gordon #3: I got your post open to me for editing; still had 5 minutes showing. After a couple of refreshes, it disappeared.
It’s some kind of bug. I think I opened the post to read within the time limit for editing the last post, and it gave me the edit option. Best guess, anyway.
It would actually be best if a collapse happens suddenly and soon. But I fear this will not be the case and that instead we will continue to experience the gradual (but accelerating) decline. People can become accustomed to almost anything (see Europe) and go along seemingly indefinitely so long as most have food, clothing and shelter even if only of minimal quantity and quality. Even hellishly repressive regimes stagger on for decades (75 years of the USSR comes to mind). Maybe the fool and his court will be swept away electorally in 2010/2012 and maybe not. I suppose hope resides in the fact that Americans have not suffered centuries of authoritarian rule and abuse and so are not so docile or fatalistic as those who have been subjected to such. This may be the case (I certainly hope so) but if it is it won’t be for lack of trying on the part of the left to reduce the majority of citizens to sheep.
I’ll second the low opinion of Noonan’s recent output that others have expressed.
You know, Wretchard, if you had asked me whether you should base something on a column of hers, I would have tried to talk you out of it. She just reeks of frail inefficacy these days; every time I read her my first thought is, “You need to get out more! And live away from BosWash for a while.” (My second thought is how much she sounds like Laura from The Glass Menagarie.) Nothing good can come from such a starting point. Or so I would have thought.
But somehow, you managed to pull it off anyway–hats off to you! The “two duties” at the end especially clarifies things; thanks!
Yes, Noonan is “one of them.”
What do we call the people who sat out the vote because McCain wasn’t conservative enough, and if Obama won, it would set the Democrats back 50 years?
This is why we need serious electoral reform in this country. The Democratic-Republican monopoly on political power has existed since before the Civil War, for Christ’s sake. They have so immunized themselves, thanks to their power over the legislative process, from electoral competition that they just don’t care what the consequences of their actions are to the public; they are confident they will never BE that public.
We need Range Voting to replace “plurality wins” to open up elections to third parties without creating spoiler effects. A Hoffman for every district.
We need serious, no-kidding campaign finance reform, to prevent lobbyists and foreign constituencies from buying up OUR Representatives.
We need Term Limits to regularly clean house in Congress and prevent the feeling of “Political Class Privilege.” Let them be fully aware that all too shortly after they write these laws, they must live by them as just another one of the “little people.”
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Insufficiently prescient. Really, McCain was a “Democrat-lite”. Those voters’ only mistake was failing to consider that we would ALL be set back 50 years by an Obama Presidency. Failure of that magnitude is hard to predict.
Ummm, unless you’re not one of “those voters”. I’m far from the only one here who said it would be a very bad deal.
I wonder if Noonan is entirely stable.
But the problem isn’t with our Elites, it’s with us. Our “Elites” have always been broken as a class. Everyone’s elites have always been broken, spoilt children. That’s why our forfathers fled Europe – it was congentially run by its Elites. What’s changed for America is that lately we’ve been deferring to our elites, letting them run things they have no capability to run.
Obama is the fourth consecutive Ivy League President. There have been 18 Presidents over the last 100 years. From Taft to Reagan, 14 Presidents and 80 years gave us 4 Ivy Leaguers at the helm. Since then, it’s been 4 out of 4. And it’s been badly downhill with them.
Now, as our host ably demonstrates, not every Ivy League grad is a bungling fool. Many highly capable people come out of those institutions. However, I suspect the Ivy League environment, along with all the other self-elected “elite” environments such as Hollywood and MSM newsrooms, fosters the worst aspects of the public-minded who pass through.
The Contemptuous Boor (Obama, Clinton, Wilson) become the Arrogant Crusader, convinced they’re not only better than everyone else, but called by destiny to lead the masses to the promised land against the ignorant fool’s wishes. The Obliged Nobles (both Bushes, Taft, perhaps FDR) learn to ignore feedback, feel no great need to explain their policies, and become unintentionally disconnected from the people they want to lead, leaving them confused and disheartened.
#11 Brock
Perhaps what we need to do is to make political parties illegal. Make every candidate run on their own purported agenda. The “party system” is really a relic of medieval times. Perhaps its time to let it go down and perish, as it seems, in modern times, to have no social utility whatsoever.
It is NOT just politics. VDH wrote about how he is a cultural drop-out, and found a gargantuan response. The newspapers, magazines, and television networks go begging for readers and viewers. Music revenues fell in half from 1999-2009. Hollywood faces huge crisis in piracy and declining DVD/TV right sales and ticket numbers sold.
ALL the elites are irretrievably broken, and Tea Parties, Townhall Protests, and frank discussion of racial issues (by the White majority) are all part of the broken confidence that the people have in the elites.
What we are seeing is a broad, populist revolt against the elites who literally worship Obama as a living God (Noonan among them). This is only going to intensify, with the elites or the people destroyed. Already the internet is a key enabling technology to by-pass elites and offer the people alternative news, movies, music, and more. I think as well, we are seeing the birth of a new party. Populist. Majoritarian. Angry. With structural changes in mind.
Tcobb (#14), how will you handle the free-association aspects of such a ban? Do you really want to make it illegal for you and I, along with a few of our close friends, to band together and support Wretchard for Philosopher-in-Chief?
Brock,
“Failure of that magnitude is hard to predict.”
Not really. A lot of people did.
Noonan and a virtual herd of sophisticates who fell for Obama’s “first class temperament” (Christopher Buckley) appear to be getting buyer’s remorse. For some reason they conflated being able to give a good speech with wisdom and intellect. It seems that there is a disconnect here, and it may have something to do with temperament, being inside the beltway, being independently wealthy, or to other factors.
But just to point out how incredibly stupid Team Obama is, you need look not farther than the rapidly emerging Afghanistan policy … a reply of Viet Nam that seems to e a hallmark of Liberal administrations.
http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-lose-war-run-it-from-washington.html
Tcobb (#14), how will you handle the free-association aspects of such a ban? Do you really want to make it illegal for you and I, along with a few of our close friends, to band together and support Wretchard for Philosopher-in-Chief?
Not at all. I just want to make it illegal for candidates to bind themselves with a LABEL, like “Democrat” or “Republican,” and for voters to vote by a LABEL rather than for the actual candidate. No straight ticket voting—no identification of a party affiliation on the voting ballots. If you don’t know WHO you are voting for you probably are too ignorant to cast a vote, in which case the stupidity caused by ignorance as to who to vote for by the ignorant will hopefully cancel itself out
Those who don’t want to join in this cavalcade have two duties…Survive…Keep the history books free of revisionism
With respect, wretchard, I’d like to add a third: Turn on these sons of bitches and take our country back. That’s our duty to the men and women who’ve given so much before us, and who are out in the field giving now.
I posted this near the end of another thread, but these are the structural changes which come to my mind – changes which are required to prevent Government of the people, by the people, for the people from perishing from the earth.
1. We need a Constitutional Amendment which provides for Congressional and Supreme Court term limits. The amendment must also provide Congress with 2/3 override power for Supreme Court decisions so that “We the People” (through our elected representatives) are the ultimate arbiters of American Law – not “We the Judges.” Congress already has 2/3 override power for Presidential vetoes – we also need it for the Supreme Court.
2. In the meantime the States must enforce the Tenth Amendment; dismantling un-Constitutional Federal Socialism (Medicare, Obamacare, Social Security, Federal education matching grants to the States, etc.), and replacing them with State programs and corresponding diversion of all Federal Taxes earmarked for these programs to State accounts. It has already been written – so let it be done.
Because you know what? If Hoffman wins in NY-23 and it sets off something that catches on — gentlemen now at cocktail parties in Georgetown will curse themselves they weren’t in on it, and hold their manhoods cheap, while any speaks who helped Sarah Palin kick the old RINO’s ass.
I don’t think people should get so down. This era has two advantages over the period of seventy years ago. First, it has been able to articulate a statement of the problem with a speed that would have taken ten years in the past. Second, society is too complex to easily dominate in the way that authoritarians in the past did.
Our economies depend on freedom of information. The fears that someone will “clamp down on the Internet” or “declare Martial Law” has to be squared against the fact that this will bring the whole shooting economic shooting match to standstill. Kick the props right front under the stock market, interstate travel, entertainment, online sales, bank transfers, software development, research — you name any modern industry and it’s dead unless some modicum of freedom is preserved.
Consider the derivate nature of Noonan’s thesis. It’s not new. She just heard the echo of what’s been talked about for months on the Internet and brought respectability to it by writing it out in a broadsheet. Not that it’s wrong. It’s right. LBJ said that if “we’ve lost Cronkite we’ve lost middle America”. Well with the Guardian, Spiegel, ABC News suddenly expressing doubts, I think there’s every chance the Left is starting to jump the shark. Dede Scozzofava discovered that “no you can’t”.
The rumblings are being heard at the top levels of Metropolis. The problem for the elite is that they don’t have many moves left. What’s going to drive the crisis from this point on are the desperate contortions of the elite as they struggle to adapt. It’s not impossible. Elites adapt under pressure.
The problem will be with the die-hard ideologues. The kind who for whom all or nothing is the only game worth playing. I don’t think anybody has anything to say to Bill Ayers types of the world. I don’t think they have anything to say to even to themselves. They’re just one big “I wanna, wanna, wanna!” Nobody exists in that universe of demigods but themselves.
But for most, even to many of the Left, they’ll adapt if they see things aren’t working. They may be temporarily stupid, but they’re not permanently crazy. Most people don’t have enough education to be continuously loco.
Wretchard, I think this is why so many of the elderly – and I am referring to those in their 70′s and older – are so upset. They not only remember the dark, they lived through it. They hear the “callous children” and are appalled that the world they helped create is being rapidly torn apart by those who do not even know they are doing so.
“Can’t you see what you are doing?” “How can they be so blind to what is happening???”
The analogy of the Pied Piper is terribly apt. The cave’s mouth looms before us, doesn’t it?
It is astounding to me how deaf, dumb and blind the “elites” in every category are to consequences – as though there are none. I think Ms. Noonan called it correctly, but does fail to recognize her own part as several commentators here have pointed out.
Sort of off topic, Powerline has written up a post on what is motivating the Obama admin in negotiations with Russia – http://powerlineblog.com/ “Justifying the Prize” posted 10/30 at 9:33 a.m.
I have spoken with a friend involved in this and this friend was surprised at how the Russians feel so positive about working with the Obama administration. (This friend thinks this is a good thing – we disagree on many issues).
“For some reason they conflated being able to give a good speech with wisdom and intellect. It seems that there is a disconnect here, and it may have something to do with temperament, being inside the beltway, being independently wealthy, or to other factors.”
Another factor that springs to mind is that most of these pundits have never run a business. We businessmen are a judgmental lot. We are constantly passing judgment on customers, vendors and employees based on what they say and what they do. And when we get fooled we pass judgment on ourselves for making stupid mistakes. This is a process that never ends as we evaluate and re-evaluate other people, mindful of our own bias and blind spots as we make our judgments.
Anybody who makes up their mind about a politician merely be watching a few speeches isn’t living in the real world.
But for most, even to many of the Left, they’ll adapt if they see things aren’t working. They may be temporarily stupid, but they’re not permanently crazy. Most people don’t have enough education to be continuously loco.
Wretchard–I hope you’re right, but I fear you’re wrong.
The Political Dictionary: Liberal Economics
Liberal Economics: Money falls from heaven for everyone to use. But, the immoral and sneaky rich gather more than their share. The government’s purpose is to redistribute the money the way God intended. Or, if you wish, the way Gaia, or the Tooth Fairy, or whoever intended.
Taxes remove the excess income of the rich and give it to the voting poor, through a fair and organized bureaucracy. The rich oppose this action by selfishly and spitefully decreasing employment. Government responds by increasing grants and spending, to boost employment. The government runs a deficit while it discovers the “knack” for creating the jobs that the rich are hiding.
4. Quig:
October 2009 – Where is the H1N1 vaccine manufactured? There were four manufacturers’ products approved for use by the US FDA and CDC:Melbourne-based CSL Ltd.; Novartis AG based in Basel, Switzerland; Sanofi Pasteur of Sanofi-Aventis SA, based in Paris; and MedImmune, LLC, the Maryland US based Subsidiary of London’s AstraZeneca.
This makes me think of a potential future nightmare scenario: What if somewhere down the road America recovers its senses and chooses to opt out of all the draconian international agreements and protocols that are being foisted on the world by the international progressive movement? Unable and unwilling to deal with us by military means, a hostile world could bring us to our knees through a series of embargoes, one of which would be pharmaceuticals.
Peggy Noonan joined the Children’s Crusade and followed the Pied Piper, reveling in His promises for a better world, a world in which there were no enemies, only friends we have not yet kissed and fondled.
Come children, my children, let’s go on Crusade
To make the world better by far
Than it’s been these past years of Bush’s charade
Come follow the Obama star
Yes that was the cry back in twenty oh eight
A long time ago now it seems
A time so long past only history can state
They found that those long vanished dreams
Have long turned to dust and to memories gone
The Crusade a horrible joke
They went to sleep happy but coming of dawn
Showed the world was not quite yet ein volk
The children soon saw that the Crusade they’d found
And followed Messiah to Rome
And boarded the ships that were Holy Land bound
Soon found they would never come home
So now they write columns and ring dainty hands
Exclaiming how misunderstood
They now are for joining the Crusader bands
Determined to do the world good
And how all their dreams for Obama have crashed
Collapsing like dust in the wind
Their dreams for a better world ravaged and dashed
Forgive me dear Lord for I’ve sinned
It’s been this bad before, under Jimmy Carter. We just need another Reagan.
Is Palin the next Reagan? She showed the right instincts in endorsing Hoffman in NY23. Her actions in Alaska fighting corruption in the Republican leadership, bodes well for cleaning up the lower 48, (ignoring Hawaii which is an outlier).
If not her, who else? I still like Newt, but he did endorse the wrong one in 23.
I can opine on such matters at very great length, as I’ve spent quite some time on trying to understand the curent zeitgeist, and of all things how it affects software development. Anyway, I suggest the TV series “Lost” is the archetype of modernity. Nobody expects there to be a pattern. Nobody expects to have a solution, just to try something at hand. Nobody takes responsibility for anything large – they don’t even SEE anything large. Things just – happen.
Obama is of this mind.
Apparently, so are the voters.
Noonan sounds like an old person (my age or so), giving an evaluation of the current generation. I’m not (quite) judging. Anyway, understanding first, judging later.
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Some wiseguy is going to ask, “What do we *do* about it?” Ha. To that, I suggest only what Eyes Open says – we need leadership.
Note that in IT these days, leadership is entirely absent, it is frowned upon, it is not recognized, it is not compensated, it is generally rejected and ejected if and when it is attempted. It is not supposed to be necessary, it is counter to the prevaling mythos. However old farts like me still say that it is exactly what is lacking. Maybe I’m wrong. Perhaps I should hope I’m wrong, because I wonder if any kind of a leader could even – lead – the population as it is today (note that this echoes themes in Atlas Shrugged, and for that I apologize). That is, I fear what kind of leader *could* lead in these circumstances.
When America has its first dictator the people will call him Coach, said Gore Vidal back in his better days. Well, at least that sure ain’t Obama.
I wish I could feel more hope, but I don’t see any political leadership among those who could run against Obama and his cronies in the legislature. These greedy fools are going to crash the system, leaving millions of us in dire poverty.
What can be done to stop the slide into economic and political disaster? So far, my state and local governments only answer is to raise taxes. Not a good sign of leadership.
But for most, even to many of the Left, they’ll adapt if they see things aren’t working. They may be temporarily stupid, but they’re not permanently crazy. Most people don’t have enough education to be continuously loco.
Wretchard, I fear you are incorrect. The Left could have already seen that this path we are embarking on does not work–if they had paid any attention to the history of the last century. Instead of digesting the failure of their ideology and its policies and how those policies failed to either create wealth or eliminate poverty (they actually managed to redistribute poverty in a very creative way) they chose instead to either rewrite/deconstruct history or ignore it altogether. This is why we are in the situation we are in today.
Ignoring reality is a way of life for many and this is easily accomplished by psychologically projecting all of one’s own failures on someone else (otherwise known as ‘scapegoating’). In this manner, reality can be kept at bay for a very long time–time enough to wreak major havoc and chaos, not to mention quite a bit of misery and death.
It’s been this bad before, under Jimmy Carter.
And even under Jimmy Carter the S&P 500 gave an 11% return. The world did not end.
Ever hear of “the Bogleheads,” a club of investors who are acolytes of Jack Bogle (created Vanguard) and his buy and hold investment philosophy? Several of the Bogleheads oldest and wisest millionaire members — in their late 70′s and 80′s — have lived through periods as bad as these — several times. And they reject the notion that “this time is different.”
I don’t know if they’re right, but there is something to be said for looking on present events through their long-term perspective.
The program of the Callous Kids is to organize the US economy into a series of politically controlled cartels covering banking, finance, manufacturing, energy, health care and, more recently, news and information. These cartels will no longer require entrepreneurs or high powered business leaders. Markets will be divided up and prices fixed so corporations will no longer compete for market share but rather for a cut of the take, which will be politically determined. At first consumers will be exploited by the system. Later, everyone.
The problem for the business leaders used to the “old ways” is that they are now administrators of about the “sub-department head” (or less) level. Their function under the new regime is to do what they are told and take the blame for (the likely many) failures. Also, sub-department heads will insist on the same pay scale.
All business people should read up on “Wrecking” (The Soviet Crime). From the Wikis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_%28Soviet_crime%29 ):
As applied in practice, “wrecking” and “sabotage” could refer to any actions which could be broadly construed to negatively impact the economy in some way, including failing to meet economic targets, causing poor morale among subordinates, lack of effort, or alleged or real incompetence. Thus, it referred to economic or industrial sabotage only in the very broadest sense. Many who were charged were merely scapegoats. In many cases, even those who were not engaged in industrial activity (including scientists) were charged with wrecking.
I’m not sure what to advise business people. Actually trying to help the new system work could get you swept up in purge. Attracting notice/Not attracting notice: I’m not sure either, in the end, works for the individual. Retiring might not work either (that could be a type of sabotage). During Mao’s Cultural Revolution Deng Xiaoping checked himself into a hospital and not only survived but went on to rule China. So there are work arounds. Good luck.
10. exhelodrvr, 11. Brock, 12. Kirk Parker, and others,
I was one of the early participants in the “McCain Mutiny” brandishing our strawberries against that RINO. But after the convention, I seized upon Palin as an excuse to support the ticket. But do not forget how indifferent were all the other candidates, Then remember that McCain was selected for the party by large numbers of outsiders packing the primaries and selecting the weakest nominee. But I doubt that any GOP candidate could have won against the candidate with absolutely no record or qualification for office save that he was a clean and articulate Magic Negro purveying a subtle blend of guilt, hope, and threat to our elites. This, and the same political thuggishness which defeated the inevitable Hillary, whom almost all of us expected to defeat Mac. Further, the role of ACORN’s massive voting fraud has yet to be clarified.
31. Eyes Open:
But could we even get another Reagan elected in our current political climate? Look at how Sarah Palin is being treated, or for that matter, how “Joe” Wurzelbacher or Carie Prejan were treated becauce of their “sin” of standing up to the leftist PC dogma for all of ten seconds.
Whiskey wrote: “What we are seeing is a broad, populist revolt against the elites who literally worship Obama as a living God (Noonan among them).”
Good observation but needs to be Past Tense, Whiskey. They *Worshipped* him as a living god – but now they have come to see that he’s just another cheap piece of tin, and they made their great bets on nothing. The real idealogues won’t admit it ever, but the elites like Noonan still have enough smarts to realize that It Wasn’t Supposed to Go Like This. They know that health care reform, which should have been passed by summer, has turned into a fiasco and even if passed will be a total failure. They see that the economy is still failing and only being propped up with smoke and mirrors. They understand now that the “Stimulus” which they cheered is going to go down in history as the most wastefully disastrous single piece of legislation even in US history, edging out even Smoot-Hawley. They see that our international relations have become a sick joke – and they know they helped put all of this into place, and they have no backup plans.
Noonan is correct in her observations about those in power, but she’s also projecting her own sense of deep failure onto the country as a whole. She helped to get us where we are, and she knows it. All her dreams have turned to ashes, and she is too old and too jaded to find any new dreams to replace them with.
Salt Lick,
Those who don’t want to join in this cavalcade have two duties…Survive…Keep the history books free of revisionism
With respect, wretchard, I’d like to add a third: Turn on these sons of bitches and take our country back. That’s our duty to the men and women who’ve given so much before us, and who are out in the field giving now.,/i>
As Solzhenitsyn reminds us, sometimes survival is the most shameful thing we can do. Meanwhile, I am a devotee to trying to maintain a history of our encroaching Dark Age for succeeding eras, whise awaiting the signal that we may now lift up our pitchforks.
As a teenager who had watched the Nixon-Kennedy debates on television at age 10, by the late 60′s I began to articulate a sense that the country was already deeply into a bad habit of judging candidates according to how they looked on Television. (I probably heard the grownups discussing that…)
The movie industry had been going full speed for five decades and longer. More to the point, sleight-of-hand and con artists have been scamming credulous marks since… well, probably since before they were walking upright.
The worst thing is when the confidence-artists begin to believe their own lies.
Essence of Delusion.
It seems like the Liberal Hypothesis combines the worst and most addictive aspects of both the long con and the evangelical calling.
At least the Con Artist knows it’s a rip-off; that there is no such thing as a free lunch.
The Liberal footsoldiers actually believe in perpetual motion, and the tooth fairy.
Could be a direct result of the miserable state of U.S. education. Ask a few liberals to quote the fundamental laws of thermodynamics”, and you will understand why so few of them doubt that Obama can turn water into wine.
Which raises the question of why the Leftward-slithering serpents are so hostile to Christianity…
I figured that McCain was done when he co sponsored the immigration reform bill. I was relieved in fact that he was done as a presidential candidate.
What the heck happened? I had to support McCain because of the potent disaster that was promised by a president Macarena, that and Giuliani made a decidedly bad decision. By all that could have should have and would have been, nothing in the stars above could have figured a president Obama or a president McCain. Something went horribly horribly wrong.
42. Mad Fidler:
Because man cannot serve two masters. He can either serve God, or he can serve the state. He cannot serve both.
I haven’t had a chance to read all of the comments yet but just wanted to add that Peggy is carping on the government in general and in the case of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, et al, she makes a good point. If they were not so out of touch Obama would be held to a higher standard then he is at present. God knows that if the Republicans dominated the house and senate he’d be whistling an entirely different tune. This congress had led us to the precipice and they are counting on the zeal and inexperience of the new guy to pass their obscene agenda. God help us all.
The worst thing is when the confidence-artists begin to believe their own lies.
Essence of Delusion.
It seems like the Liberal Hypothesis combines the worst and most addictive aspects of both the long con and the evangelical calling.
Exactly. And the reason things are so hopeless is that a 20% or more or of the electorate, maybe 60 million people, must of them putatively educated, are almost blindly convinced in this nonsense. And the only way they’re going to learn different is when they run their faces headlong into a granite wall. No argument, train of reasoning, dataset or even second-hand demonstration is going to convince them otherwise. Some people have just got to stick their fingers into the electric socket to find out what it does.
You can’t hold them back. They’ll break loose. Well, let them.
I knew a guy once, and I think I told the story before, who told me about his cellmate in Marcos-era political prison. His cellmate started laughing manically one night in the small hours of the morning. When he settled down, he asked him what was so funny.
“Mao … Mao Tse Tung”
“What about him?”
“When we were taken on a tour of China (in 1969), they brought us to his boyhood home.”
“And?”
“And I rushed straight for the pond where Mao had bathed as a boy and plunged my face into the scummy water, to the amazement of all our Chinese escorts because I said, hey, this is where He bathed. This is where He dipped His feet.”
“Why were you laughing?”
“How could I have believed that shit?”
Well how about it Anita Dunn? When do you get to start laughing in the middle of the night for no apparent reason? If she hasn’t learned by now only the school of hard experience is going to do it. I’m not too worried about the average working stiff. Anyone who lives close enough to reality is bound to sort of edge away from the fruitcakes. It’s the guys who are wholly tutti-frutti and have degrees to prove it who I worry about.
“Because man cannot serve two masters. He can either serve God, or he can serve the state. He cannot serve both.”
Gee, this kind of makes a case for Islam. But I guess I understand what you are saying, I do not serve at the pleasure of the state. They were to be a government by the people for the people.
Well, I do have to differ somewhat with Wretchard’s remark @23, “The fears that someone will “clamp down on the Internet” or “declare Martial Law” has to be squared against the fact that this will bring the whole shooting economic shooting match to standstill. Kick the props right front under the stock market, interstate travel, entertainment, online sales, bank transfers, software development, research — you name any modern industry and it’s dead unless some modicum of freedom is preserved.”
It is indeed true that the economy will fall apart absent at least a modicum of freedom and the free flow of information. But that assumes rational actors. Yet I ask you, “How do Dark Ages start and how long does it take to emerge from them?”
The naive and the utopian may just start an avalanche in the name of “saving the planet,” and creating “social justice equality” that may prove to be difficult to reverse.
Indeed that is the difficulty we are all having trying to figure out how to deal with Islamic terrorism. What if the other side doesn’t care about life or prosperity? And with our socialist/utopians, what if, truly believing they are doing good for the world, they kill the economy?
Yes, our technology has seemingly decentralized information and power but it has also concentrated it. We are all dependent on the grid for electricity and on the backbone for the internet.
I fervently hope you are right, and that the utopians will realize that they are on the verge of killing the golden egg laying goose, but I can’t count on it.
And as to Eyes Open @31, we are still suffering from the actions of Carter — just look at Iran. And if you are counting on a new Reagan to rise and ride in to save us, I certainly don’t see one, nor am I sure that I want a “good” messiah to replace the “bad” one we have.
We have a huge task before us, namely to rebuild a culture in which logic, truth, integrity, and standards replace the deconstructed relativism and multiculturalism that is now in power.
A friend sent me a link to D-day photographs today. One of the captions was General Eisenhower stating his “exit strategy.” It was “Total victory, nothing else.” There are probably enough Americans today to hold those older values, but in not too many years the electorate will have a very different composition.
Again, how do Dark Ages start and how long does it take to emerge from them? I don’t think the prospects of economic ruin guarantee that we will not be plunged into a new Dark Ages, nor do I think that there is enough reason and logic to immunize us from it.
Tick, tick, tick.
I think the problem with this precipice is that while the US is toying around with nihilism, and dipping down into the trough, the rest of the developing countries are catching up with us economically and militarily missile guidance system by missile guidance system. China has caught the capitalism bug, India is ready to overcome even China in population, and not only these powers have the bomb. The shining utopia of Pakistan, North Korea have them and if not already, Iran will soon too. In a world of global communications, global economies, global thinking (you know, like save the planet or convert it to Islam) the first spark in the tinder box will likely go global as in world war except this time around it is going to be thermonuclear. Nice thought huh?
18. Moneyrunner:
Noonan and a virtual herd of sophisticates who fell for Obama’s “first class temperament” (Christopher Buckley) appear to be getting buyer’s remorse. For some reason they conflated being able to give a good speech with wisdom and intellect. It seems that there is a disconnect here, and it may have something to do with temperament, being inside the beltway, being independently wealthy, or to other factors.
This seems to have been an onld phenomenon. Remember al the fuss about the “scholarly” Mario Cuomo, all on the basis of a speech. Or the much touted intellect of Jack Kennedy, despite the shoddy record of his governance and programs. Hubert H. Humphrey was another. M. L. King’s actual record is invoked less than a single passage of a single speech. I am not old enough to comment on FDR as speech-maker, though he was otherwise recognized as “a first-rate second-rate intellect”. On the other hand, Reagan was “an amiable dunce”, and Goldwater was not even amiable.
It seems that glibness is a satisfactory substitute for intellect only for liberals.
Peggy Noonan is Norma Desmond in “Sunset Blvd.” Her day is gone, whatever it once was. She is like a thousand other creatures of the media/politico cabal screaming
“I’m relevant, am too” So she hooked her sail to the water walker, only to look like the irrelevant old has been she really is. Your time is up, Peg, move on now.
47. Annoy Mouse:
Actually, that’s a take off of Matthew 6:24.
“No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”
There’s many reasons why leftists hate Christianity/Christians (as per Mad Fidler’s) question. The big one is that Christians, as a rule (although there’s an expanding exception list) don’t kneel before the altar of the state.
18 of 19 families DENIED BHO permission to photograph Self/w Caskets!
1 agreed.
Probly why he was there for THREE HOURS!
Not in too many headlines…
At the time the decision of how to use the first atomic bomb was being pondered, 67 of Japan’s major cities had been reduced by massive fire-bombing to smoking rubble. The military government continued raising regiments, battalions, and divisions of gardeners, housewives, and gradeschool students armed with sharpened bamboo stakes to defend the homeland to the death.
Russia had defeated Germany, and was ready to attack Japan so as to have some say in Post-war administration of the spoils of the Pacific Theater. Same Russians that had dismantled, transported and reassembled their war-critical factories from areas threatened by Hitler’s invasion across mountain ranges to areas where the factories could grind out Yaks and Migs and T-34 tanks in tens of thousands.
In Early August of 1945, the U.S. had enough fissionable material to make TWO – count’em TWO – weapons. More was known to be coming down the pipeline, but there had been one single successful test, and it was NOT AT ALL CERTAIN that the two weapons would work.
Hundreds of thousands of U.S. soldiers who had already faced years of Japanese Kamikazes, tropical jungle diseases, suicidal Japanese “Banzai” attacks, shelling, torpedoes, and typhoons, were being marshalled to assembly areas for an invasion reckoned to result in as many as half a million U.S. casualties.
Yet there were still idiots in the US calling for Truman to invite the Japanese to an unpopulated area to watch a demonstration of an atomic bomb where it wouldn’t hurt anyone or break anything.
This is precisely the kind of stubborn, persistent refusal to acknowledge reality that characterizes Obama’s worshippers.
(My details might be a little off; I welcome corrections, especially if they completely destroy my premise… I’m ready to consider new facts.)
>;-)
There’s a note in Noonan’s piece that irritates me, and it’s her fixation on what she seems to be labeling the surrender mentality.
The most sophisticated Americans, experienced in how the country works on the ground, can’t figure a way out.
Americans are starting to think the problems we are facing cannot be solved.
I get this mental picture of Piglet running around his tree-home as the floodwaters rise, anxiously repeating “D-d-d-dear, dear!” while doing very little that is useful.
Does that sound like you or most of your neighbors?
Haven’t there been news articles about how Americans’ personal savings rates have soared since the bottom fell out of the economy last fall? (BEA figures: 6.9% in May 2009, a 15-year high) Conserving resources is a fairly logical and prudent response to a condition of resource scarcity. And whadda ya know, ordinary Americans managed to do this spontaneously, without a D.C.-directed blitz of our airwaves and sidewalks with a “Stash Your Cash” program. It turns out a lot of people did know what to do, and they did it.
So if tens of millions of ordinary Americans can tighten zee belten, why can’t Washington? Because spending is how they survive. That’s the cushy little money-laundering system they have built for themselves … lobbyist, Congressman, earmark recipient, campaign donation. All paid for by us (and the next three generations). Asking D.C. to stop spending is like asking a shark to stop swimming.
The Great Society paradigm has broken. (As it inevitably was going to do.) That preponderance of hand-wringing that Noonan sees isn’t coming from those tens of millions of ordinary Americans who, as a habit of daily existence, have to find solutions to problems, make different choices when circumstances change, and sacrifice when sacrifice is called for. Pegs … hon … this is what WE do to survive. We’ve been doing it this whole time. We don’t have the luxury of pretending that reality is something other than reality, that choices don’t come with consequences or that we can live any way we damn well please with someone else always picking up the tab.
Out of ideas? Unsolvable problems? Who does this lady talk to on a daily basis?
The ideas that are DOA these days are the ones that have been Washington’s SOP for generations now. But there are dozens, hundreds, of worthwhile ideas (more than a few floating on BC) that, if implemented, would at the very least slow down the insanity train. That those ideas are not practically permeating the federal government is an indictment of the system. That’s like Hollywood bigwigs complaining about how “there are no good scripts out there”; there are plenty of good, even great, scripts “out there,” but the agency-studio-distribution cabal is expressly designed to ignore new input and instead keep recycling and regurgitating the same old junk.
I won’t deny that I think we have a higher-than-desirable proportion of morons and parasites in our population. But there are still, I believe, a lot of practical doers who know one helluva lot about their own jobs and towns who would soar if the millstone of nanny statism and overregulation were removed from around their necks.
I think Noonan also makes a categorical mistake about these doers. Going Galt isn’t surrendering. It’s rebelling. Doesn’t sound like hand-wringing to me.
As for solutions … well, how about starting with one of granny’s old common sense notions: “When you find yourself at the bottom of a deep hole … STOP DIGGING!”
I’ve lately been considering the “zeitgeist” of the people, such as it mattered, prior to the French Revolution. “Let them eat cake” apocryphal or not, does seem to be the order of the day from our self-appointed elites. But those who had heard the clarion call of “liberty” from across the sea would make themselves heard…in ways those original revolutionaries never imagined. It does seem a tempest is brewing and every cloudy day brings new feelings of foreboding. I joked with my wife tonight, when she noted that the H1N1 vaccine will not be available for distribution until Dec 20 in these parts, that it was because we didn’t vote for the “One”. I think I was kidding.
P.S. Wretchard, I have just one quibble with the Pied Pieper analogy. In the legend, the Piper led the kiddies away because the townsfolk refused to pay him after he did what he said he would do about ridding the town of rats.
In our case … the rats are still here, and the Piper took our money AND our kids. Our Piper turns out to be a liar, a thief, and a saboteur of the worst order.
Jumping the subject.
An idea I have been carrying around for a number of years is that those born after around 1955 have no inkling of Really Bad Times. I (b.1947) have heard enough about the Depression from my immediate ancestors to understand that nothing lately has approached. I saw sorta bad in the early 60′s and the inflation from Jimma in 76. What happens now if Beth and Cliffie are faced with rampant inflation and no job, no hope, no cash, and (heaven for-fend) no credit?
Take current national debt and double (or triple) the interest expense. Do we continue to run the government on a deficit basis to fund debt on borrowed money? Which fool will lend to us? The evil are not the stupid.
There are a few who have a hardness about them to function and survive but the rest……
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Peggy Noonan has a great talent for putting words together for emotional effect. RR harnessed that for his intellectual goals. She’s now just wandering around Manhattan. I admire her talent but not her analytical gifts.
She wants too much to be nice to use her brain.
As a teenager who had watched the Nixon-Kennedy debates on television at age 10, by the late 60’s I began to articulate a sense that the country was already deeply into a bad habit of judging candidates according to how they looked on Television. (I probably heard the grownups discussing that…)
MF, I remember watching “Dr. Strangelove” at an arthouse movie theater in college and finding something really off and unbelievable about Peter Sellers’ President Muffley. I realized it was because we hadn’t elected a bald president since TV became the 800-lb gorilla in the room of political campaigning.
Anyone else also notice that since and including Kennedy we’ve had 3 men elected to the office of POTUS who were in their 40s. All 3 were not adequate to the office, either in terms of personal maturity & self-control, informational & strategic preparedness, or moral gravity. There really does appear to be something about the demands of the position that requires a significantly older, seriously life-tested person.
The fascination with youth and celebrity (a fault not exclusive to, but certainly deeply permeating the Democratic party) has given us lightweights. Times being what they are, we can’t afford this sort of vain indulgence anymore. Electing a president should not be like voting for your fave on “American Idol.”
Brock @ 11
Your suggestion might be a good one but it has been deemed illegal. Two weeks ago there was a story about a Georgia election wherein the citizens had voted to not display party affiliations.
A majority of the voters were both black and Democrats but felt the party affiliation removed the impetus to learn more about the candidates. Within a short time, the Federal Election Commission invalidated the vote and required that party affiliation be clearly displayed for each candidate.
We can’t trust them rural folks to know what’s best for themselves!!!!
Alas! The world has now become so tight knit that there is nowhere to go…no Mayflower to climb aboard and sail to a new place and start over again….no place to flee from this tyranny!
“I’d like to share a revelation I had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.”
Mr. Smith — The Matrix
In one sense, I fear, Peggy Noonan’s *spit* not being able to see a way out is accurate, but incomplete. There is a way out. That way does not necessarily involve the survival in power [or any other way] of those who consider themselves to be “elites”. That includes both major parties, and pretty much all of the state controlled media-news-entertainment complex.
A lot of people have given up. But not on what she thinks they have given up on. They have given up on being able to solve this problem through normal means. The system is broken and/or rigged. So, more and more, extraordinary means for both survival and victory are being considered by those pushed to those conclusions.
We see some of TWANLOC now making noises of being less than ecstatic at the situation that Buraq and the other TWANLOC have placed us in. That is not a sign of remorse. It is akin to “ Der Treue Heinrich” and his attempts in 1945 to secretly negotiate a peace with the allies that would leave him alive and in control after betraying Hitler. He still was the leader of the SS, Gestapo, and the operator of the KZL’s. He was just trying to save his own worthless skin.
We have been discussing the fact that the last few generations [including my own] have not had to suffer through any hard times, real ones, comparable to those in other countries. Our poor have more material goods than the upper middle class in Europe.
There is another aspect of this. Our elites, of both parties, have never had to feel the effects of their own decisions, they are isolated from the consequences of their actions in any aspect of their lives, and have been for at least two generations above the reach of the law. There is at least two generations of pent up justice waiting to be unleashed. And they are afraid.
Peggy Noonan, and her ilk, do not give a [descriptive and incredibly crude phrase deleted so as to remain within the rules of civility] about this country, its people, or their future. They care for power, and fear it slipping away. Peggy Noonan and those expressing doubts now only want to create a plausible deniability so as to maintain their elite status if the unthinkable should happen to their universe. When lines were being drawn, she eagerly chose her side, and it was not with this country.
I will go with Rurik [41] and Salt Lick [20] with the addition that in the process the two generations of justice overdue must be served; as a salutory lesson as to what happens to those who think that they can place themselves above their own people, the law, and Justice.
Subotai Bahadur
Ernest Hemingway said, “You go broke slowly, then all at once.”
#62 Subotai Bahadur . . .
Good comment. I agree.
BTW, I would have voted for you in Wretchard’s “most brilliant commenter” poll because your posts so often show a terrific awareness of reality and of history. I didn’t do so because I was too lazy to find one of those posts to use as an example.
So consider this comment both an apology and a fan letter. I always look forward to see what you’ll say on any subject. The fact that you’ve actually dealt with crooks and violent criminals make your comments especially interesting. I believe that most of the people who read and comment on Belmont Club are probably teachers or office workers.
Unfortunately, I think things _are_ worse now than 70 years ago on three rather important fronts.
The government is far less controllable than before, thanks to the proliferation of agencies given the power to make law by regulation. You might possibly develop a coalition to vote out our legislative nobility, but how do you replace the legions of non-elected “legislators?” And if you can’t, how can you change things?
We seem to have a larger proportion of Americans unwilling to take responsibility for themselves. We all understand where that sort of “protect us at any cost” attitude leads. I know there were plenty of Communists and other statists back then too, but even they seemed less passive than the current lot.
We have also suffered a significant breakdown in family structure. As an example of what’s in store, a large fraction of the black subculture (or white in England, per Dalrymple–this isn’t racial) has never known a nuclear family, let alone a normal extended one–and the resulting crime and fecklessness is ruinous. And when the hard times come, people need to be able to trust extended family for support–and now more of us can’t than could back in the Great Depression.
In the course of looking through various threads because of the “Best Comment” post I came across a part of a comment by our host. It was concerning MAD but because my mind has been on economic concerns of late that was what it connected to for me. It was:
I see the policies, economic and otherwise, pursued by this administration as an attempt to drive us into that “nonlinear event space”. One where it is impossible to make rational long, medium, or even short term decisions.
All will be tied to politics and politicians. And even there things can turn on a dime and the hero of the people yesterday is the wrecker tomorrow. Uncertainty and fear will rule, and rule even the rulers in the end.
I sincerely pray for their failure. They should too if they had the sense to see where they are heading, but their ideology is blinding.
“I believe that most of the people who read and comment on Belmont Club are probably teachers or office workers.”
I would bet that most are retired. But they would have had professions in engineering of some sort. Me I am a ME that pipes gas because I like to do it. Could not stay in an office for more than 30 minutes.
Re: 11 Brock. The Supremes voted down term limits 5-4. The result would have been different with Bork on the court.
Elections have consequences, which is why I held my nose and voted for McCain.
23. Wretchard:
The one thing that I haven’t seen said yet, although 62. Subotai Bahadur comes close is that the elites live in an insular society that, for now, protects them, not only from the harsh realities that everyone else is dealing with, but also the consequences of their decisions. This is why people like Al Gore can fly around the world in his private jet, telling people that we need to change our lifestyles to save the planet, and then relax is in mansion that uses more electricity than a neighborhood block of middle/working class homes. Or, why, as Wretchard mentions in a previous article, the elites in Britain open up the flood gates of immigration in an effort to dilute the native population’s influence. Further, these decisions could benefit the elites, at least in the short term, by permanently segregating the haves (them) from the have nots (us). I have no doubt that the elites will change and adapt if they face an impending crisis, the question is once that crisis breaks through their barriers, will it be too late to change?
bogie wheel,
What is BC?
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I think Peggy redeems herself by giving us the executive’s words. She wrote:
The executive said of Washington: “They don’t understand that people can just stop, get out. I have friends and colleagues who’ve said to me ‘I’m done.’” He spoke of his own increasing tax burden and said, “They don’t understand that if they start to tax me so that I’m paying 60%, 55%, I’ll stop.”
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What if business just flat-out told Obama, “We are closing down, and so is … “?
What would happen?
The fact that you’ve actually dealt with crooks and violent criminals make your comments especially interesting. I believe that most of the people who read and comment on Belmont Club are probably teachers or office workers.
P, you’ve obviously never worked in some of the schools and offices that I have!
Seriously, though, while I hold the veterans and LEOs at BC in the highest respect, it’s a little too neat of a division to sanctify them as some sort of special priesthood who are more rarified than the laity due to their occupationally hazarded contact with and knowledge of evil. This isn’t necessarily what was meant, but it’s a conclusion that might be drawn from Promethea’s comment, so I just wanted to raise a flag.
I think I’m not alone in recognizing that there’s a tone to Subotai’s, Mongoose’s and Habu’s comments that is unlike that of most of the rest of us. There’s something of the angel with the flaming sword about them that, yes, makes their rhetoric fearsome and wondrous.
And yet.
You don’t have to be in those occupations to know about violence or evil. Your teacher or office worker who was molested as a child, or who watched their mother get the tar beat out of her by dad, or who got pistol-whipped in an armed robbery only to see the perp walk … that’s not exactly living in Candyland.
What I do think the vets and the LEOs frequently have over the rest of us is not necessarily a hard-headed realism but superior training in tactics and response. Which is why we respect them, and why they frequently make such natural leaders when TSHTF.
But you never quite know who is going to do or become what in times of crisis.
Joshua Chamberlain was a college professor. Of rhetoric, of all things.
Todd Beamer was an account manager for Oracle.
Don’t discount the teachers & office drones.
We’ve been talking around this in various ways – the underlying problem is the vast commitment our culture has made the central thema of the age: the disconnection of consequences from action. This imperative drives both government and marketing initiatives.
We’ve migrated from “No User Serviceable Parts” and “Opening this device Voids Warranty” to “DANGER: Coffee in this Cup May cause BURNS” and “Danger: Injecting Chunky Peanut Butter into Main Artery may result in Stroke.”
The Pill and Abortion are the solutions promulgated to answer people’s desire to have unrestricted sex without the possibility of pregnancy.
Anti-bacterial agents in every conceivable household cleaning product have become so commonplace that the net result is selective pressure on the target bacteria. Just like widespread mis-use of antibiotics. After more than a decade, the vulnerable strains have been killed off, allowing the resistant strains to flourish.
Helmets required for anyone riding any unenclosed vehicle, from Hot Wheels to Go-Karts to Motorcycles to ATVs…
Seatbelts… I wear’em, but we all have friends that feel oppressed at the requirement.
Sure, there are dangers, but the response of making LIFE idiot-proof has had the long term effect of allowing morons to survive to breeding age, and multiply.
The Nanny State is a planned community.
Transfats, Sugar, Red Meat, Red Dye No. 2, ALAR, Microwave Transmission Lines, Nuclear power, Tidy Whities. But I’m casting a very wide net here.
Hmmm. If I don’t restrain myself, readers will think I’m about to go after flouride in the water supply…
#62. Subotai Bahadur:
Well said. There are a lot of parallels to the current US and the western Roman empire shortly before it fell. But the main theme, the central theme, was that the ruling classes simply ceased to care about the “peasants” that they ruled. They were just a resource. The idea that that resource could founder or die never flickered through their heads.
But the ultimate sin, the one that has brought down empires throughout history, is failing to protect your own people, be they slaves or whatever. When the basic mindset of the political class is that the people in their polity (excepting the members of the ruling class of course) should be given no more consideration than people from without, its over.
Its not so much that history repeats itself…its that stupidity does–eternally.
I see solutions to our problems, but i’m just one guy. If I can’t afford something, I either don’t buy it or use credit. The problem is, just speaking personally of course, the bill always comes due.
The article is a lament, and it would have turned me off it she hadn’t so exactly skewered current liberal ideology as she does further along in the piece.
Those that don’t already know should know that I am a Veteran of the only war (so far) that America “Lost”. In that war and since, I have seen much violence, evil and man’s inhumanity towards man. But lets get to my point.
First lets re-read selected quotes from the commentators here tonight:
“In this manner, reality can be kept at bay for a very long time–time enough to wreak major havoc and chaos, not to mention quite a bit of misery and death.”
“It’s the guys who are wholly tutti-frutti and have degrees to prove it who I worry about.”
“Again, how do Dark Ages start and how long does it take to emerge from them? I don’t think the prospects of economic ruin guarantee that we will not be plunged into a new Dark Ages, nor do I think that there is enough reason and logic to immunize us from it.”
“It seems that glibness is a satisfactory substitute for intellect only for liberals.”
“won’t deny that I think we have a higher-than-desirable proportion of morons and parasites in our population. But there are still, I believe, a lot of practical doers who know one helluva lot about their own jobs and towns who would soar if the millstone of nanny statism and overregulation were removed from around their necks.”
“It does seem a tempest is brewing and every cloudy day brings new feelings of foreboding.”
“In our case … the rats are still here, and the Piper took our money AND our kids. Our Piper turns out to be a liar, a thief, and a saboteur of the worst order.”
“What happens now if Beth and Cliffie are faced with rampant inflation and no job, no hope, no cash, and (heaven for-fend) no credit?”
“In one sense, I fear, Peggy Noonan’s *spit* not being able to see a way out is accurate, but incomplete. There is a way out. That way does not necessarily involve the survival in power [or any other way] of those who consider themselves to be “elites”. That includes both major parties, and pretty much all of the state controlled media-news-entertainment complex.”
“A lot of people have given up. But not on what she thinks they have given up on. They have given up on being able to solve this problem through normal means. The system is broken and/or rigged. So, more and more, extraordinary means for both survival and victory are being considered by those pushed to those conclusions.”
“I will go with Rurik [41] and Salt Lick [20] with the addition that in the process the two generations of justice overdue must be served; as a salutory lesson as to what happens to those who think that they can place themselves above their own people, the law, and Justice.”
“We seem to have a larger proportion of Americans unwilling to take responsibility for themselves. We all understand where that sort of “protect us at any cost” attitude leads. I know there were plenty of Communists and other statists back then too, but even they seemed less passive than the current lot.”
“We have also suffered a significant breakdown in family structure. As an example of what’s in store, a large fraction of the black subculture (or white in England, per Dalrymple–this isn’t racial) has never known a nuclear family, let alone a normal extended one–and the resulting crime and fecklessness is ruinous. And when the hard times come, people need to be able to trust extended family for support–and now more of us can’t than could back in the Great Depression.”
“What’s going to drive the crisis from this point on are the desperate contortions of the elite as they struggle to adapt. It’s not impossible. Elites adapt under pressure.”
“Or, why, as Wretchard mentions in a previous article, the elites in Britain open up the flood gates of immigration in an effort to dilute the native population’s influence. Further, these decisions could benefit the elites, at least in the short term, by permanently segregating the haves (them) from the have nots (us). I have no doubt that the elites will change and adapt if they face an impending crisis, the question is once that crisis breaks through their barriers, will it be too late to change?”
First let me say that I am not a born optimist, I have tried to appear that way for the sake of my faimly, but have always planned and worked as if the worse or at least the unpleasant was going to happen. Since I retired back in 94 I have kept myself busy and making money but off the grid so to speak. Uncle had done enough damage to me for over fifty years for me to worry about me contributing any more.
If you look closely at the above quotes from this thread you will see than many here understand what is going on and what could or at least might be in our future.
Myself and others (friends (many), and relatives) have seen this coming for at least the last eight years. Even before that we were preparing for bad times such as weather and the odd emergency. But I guess you could say we got serious soon after Sept. 11, 2001.
I’m glad that more people are finally understanding that bad times are coming. Really bad times. Nothing that most older folk like me and my family and friends can not handle- even if we don’t really want it to be. But I would say that the percentage of the American population that can handle terrible times for an extended period is less than 40 percent of our population. The rest are going to evolve into the enemy of those that can cope and survive. The elite of course, will have more assets to begin with, but they are going to be shocked when they find out that to buy a sack full of tomatoes will cost them a thousand dollars or maybe fifty gallons of fuel or some other barter that they won’t like. But come one day, their vast resources will either run out or be taken away from them at the point of the guns that they so dislike.
Some may say that I am speaking of extremes and they would be right, but remember what I said about not being a born optimist. I have always believed and taught my three generations of family the six Ps.
Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
If it indeed comes down to where our votes are smothered under voter fraud, where the elites and legislators can’t be removed or swayed by our votes..then the following quote will not just be words to remember, but words to be acted upon.
Papa Ray
“The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.”
2009 Judge Alex Kozinski
I have become unimpressed with Peggy Noonan over the past few years, beginning, I think when her assessment of G.W. Bush’s 2nd inaugural speech as being too bold and too spiritual. This was stunning, like hearing Billy Graham ask everyone why they hell they did not have something better to do than sit in Church on Sunday mornings. When she attacked Sara Palin as being a buffoon or bumpkin or something that was it for me.
Amelia Earhart’s navigator was named Noonan and she got off course and was lost, too.
But I was impressed with her article because it sure sounded like she had read a certain Belmont Club piece and discovered the Design Margin concept. And calling them “callous children” is a good way to put it.
When the Manhatten sophisticates, blue blood country club Republicans, people who think Dan Rather is great types start waking up, well that means something. But she is wrong that Americans don’t think the problems are solvable; we just don’t think the callous children of DC – and Manhatten – can handle it.
In reference to the earlier discussion on voting, (i.e., Tcobb, #19) I’ve always enjoyed Heinlein’s ideas on the subject (from Expanded Universe, 1980)
“A state that required a bare minimum of intelligence and education – e.g., step into the polling booth and find that the computer has generated a new quadratic equation just for you. Solve it, the computer unlocks the voting machine, you vote. But get a wrong answer and the voting machine fails to unlock, a loud bell sounds, a red light goes on over the booth – and you slink out, face red, you having just proved yourself too stupid and/or ignorant to take part in the decisions of grownups. Better luck next election! No lower age limit in this system – smart 12-yr-old girls vote every election while some of their mothers – and fathers – decline to be humiliated twice…”
“There are endless variations on this one. Here are two:
Improving the Breed — No red light, no bell…but the booth opens automatically – empty.
Revenue — You don’t risk your life, just some gelt. It costs you 1/4 oz. troy of gold in local currency to enter the booth. Solve your quadratic and vote, and you get your money back. Flunk – and the state keeps it. With this one I guarantee that no one would vote who was not interested and would be most unlikely to vote if unsure of his ability to get that hundred bucks back.” (Remember, this was 1980)
I can just imagine heads exploding all over the ACLU! But at least we might have a chance to get an informed electorate participating in our elections, and their might be a chance of electing someone who might be worth a damn!
This hag has a LOT of nerve, wailing about the disaster SHE helped impose on our country.
This makes me furious.
The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed
I think the 2nd Amendment prevents real doomsdays and here’s why. Most fascisms come to power when a population, terrified of chaos, desperately accepts the first strong man they come to. When everyone turns into refugees fleeing looters with their possessions on wheelbarrows it is any port in storm. In countries that exist with iffy governments, communities can start the old neighborhood watch when news from the capital looks bad. This preserves enough enough democratic space to buy the requisite time to reconstitute things in a rational fashion. A country with a Second Amendment can call a congress or convention to figure things out. A country without is an a binary space with order and chaos as the two alternate values. And no, it does not accept nulls. A society which can hold out for a while doesn’t have to turn to a Boulanger in desperation. It gives the local status quo inertia even when the national scene may be in flux.
I think the majority of Americans have confidence in themselves to solve any problem except one: the problem Subotai raises. How do we rid ourselves of the corrupt parasites in government? We’ve tried a bunch of solutions already, voting for one party, then the other, then the first again, then the other, and finally the first again, and it’s only gotten worse. We’ve tried one party in control of the Presidency and both houses of Congress, we’ve tried splitting power, gridlock, partisanship, bipartisanship, campaign finance laws, initiatives, referrendums, protest votes, third parties…
None of it has worked. As fast as we can peacefully throw one batch of crooks out, another slips in behind our backs to take their place. No wonder there’s increased talk of getting out the Big Hammer to hit the reset button. The whole NY-23 thing is tremendously depressing to me. Not that a bunch of liberals could co-opt the Republican party in a heavily liberal state, but that the National GOP would be so stupid (or corrupt, or stupidly corrupt) to go along with it. (edit: to go along with it even after the events of the last 12 months, which should have shaken them out of their business-as-usual mindset)
I see so many institutions – political parties, universities, public schools, banks, stock exchanges, major corporations, media, Hollywood, so many that are essentially done, kaput, useless if not actively hostile. It mirrors the crumbling physical infrastructure, the bridges that haven’t been replaced or properly maintained, the oil refineries that haven’t been built, the waterfront industries that have been torn down and replaced by Wal-Marts, the children given 4th rate educations on their own history…
The sadness I have is that so much has been squandered and needs to be rebuilt. It’s going to be a long road. We’ll do it, but what a criminal waste.
The Elites aren’t just broken and unaware, they are mad. They live in a world of effete luxury, every once in a while condesending to be photographed doing some proletarian thing (anybody fancy a carrot from Michelle’s garden?). On the whole they truly believe they are morally and intellectually superior to the masses. We are witless cripples that need their spiritual guidance.
More and more I am reminded of Marie Antionette building a marble dairy at Versailles so that she could play at being a milk-maid while the great unwashed grew evermore desperate and angry.
Noonan is right when she says that they can see no way out in the same way that Pauline Kael said “I don’t know how Richard Nixon could have won! Nobody I know voted for him!” When one lives in an echo chamber they suffer from a paucity of new input.
The real giveaway phrase is; “The most sophisticated Americans..” Sorry Peg, the Eloi don’t know how to clear a plugged toilet, why on Earth would I care if they cannot see a way out (or if they pretended to know one why would I trust them).
There is a certain grim satifaction in knowing that if they drive this car off the cliff at least they will be in the front seat and I will get to see them die first.
In partial explanation of the credulousness of otherwise intelligent people like Noonan and Christopher Buckley, it cannot be said that the author of Dreams from my Father was stupid. How much would they have spared us if they had known who it was?
@77 cas
Quadratic equations? Are you kidding me? Jimmy Carter could probably do them in his sleep. For all I know, Obama can too. Mathematical proficiency is no guarantee of an informed electorate. You might as well restrict voting to anyone who can whip up a decent Hollandaise. Come to think of it, a good cook is a lot more useful, generally speaking. (No offense to BC’s cadre of engineers, of course. Or clever 12-year-old girls, for that matter)
“I believe that most of the people who read and comment on Belmont Club are probably teachers or office workers.”
Seems to me we’re a pretty well rounded group: mostly retired, because to read a day’s worth of comments takes more hours than any employer would grant you, but from the arts, sciences, engineering, military, men and women of the cloth — in short, a pretty wide cross-section who don’t like to be messed with. (Something right out of a John Wayne western.)
I myself am a retired Foreign Service Officer who represented the USG to other governments in Asia, Africa and Latin America for 27 years. I worked with other countries’ diplomats, UN officers, elected officials, presidents and their cabinets — so I have indeed worked with a lot of crooks and violent criminals.
I’m also a graduate of the National War College, and have a very high regard for the professionals who work in the Pentagon and serve in our military. Moreso than most of the college professors I have known, especially in the “soft” sciences.
But all of this comes up short when it comes time to list my bona fides as a BC commenter. For that I fall back on my respect for truth, a well-reasoned argument, and the vision of our founding fathers. All of which seem to be sadly missing in today’s Washington, alas. But available in abundance in Belmont Club.
F
How many of us would participate in a public demonstration in Washington to show our fed-upness? I would. How about you?
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Random thoughts:
Without the private sector’s complicity, the federal government cannot do anything.
What if the private sector could somehow inform federal government drones (federal employees, not legislators, on all levels) that their economic status quo would be maintained by the private sector for specific period of time — on one condition: that they resign their jobs?
Lack of private sector participation and lack of a workforce would paralyze the monster.
Crazy thoughts?
83. marymcl:
In a way I agree with you there, but don’t discount our engineers completely, a recipe is a design plan and any engineer worth his salt will follow a good plan to produce a quality product.
The comments here indicate that a majority of the nation is disenchanted with Obama and what they see happening.. my observations don’t register that. I fear that only those who chose to think rather than idealize are disenchanted. The masses who are idealizing are not looking for correlations and seem to continue to believe that “someone” (Obama) has my backside and therefore I’ll come out okay – if that doesn’t happen, it will be the fault of that “big business”/capitalism that he just couldn’t curb because the red states were too dumb to give him the reigns.
There is a certain grim satifaction in knowing that if they drive this car off the cliff at least they will be in the front seat and I will get to see them die first.
I mean no disrespect, but dream on. The political class, their children, and their retainers, are always protected from the fall. Always.
What you envision would take a literal revolution.
A key thing to remember is that every person that works in the DC nexus – the staff, lobbyists, reporters, commentators and opinionistas left and right, benefit from a powerful federal government. The more the federal government can take and borrow and then spend a lot of tax money and pass laws to tell people what to do and to punish them, the more the DC nexus benefits. The benefits work on many levels. but always at this level – the more powerful the federal government the higher te value real estate in DC and its environs.
Dumb of me to ask what “BC” meant, huh? I used to come here a lot and post (under another name), so I’m just a bit out of tune … Sorry about that, Wret.
Impeachment: It can happen, but only when a sufficient number of people are firmly convinced that the liberals’ goal is antithetical to the moral and political foundations of this country, and that high crimes and misdemeanors have been committed by the president in pursuit of his goal.
I think there are grounds for those articles of impeachment to be drawn up right now and that there have been grounds for a while now. Obama’s primary job is to protect this country. He’s doing the reverse of that and in fact giving aid and comfort to our enemies. There is no question that such acts are high crimes. But critical mass must be achieved.
May God provide more like Peggy Noonan. I would encourage people to praise her for seeking the light to the best of her ability, however late she may have seen it. People who “come out” as she has need our support, not our anger. Others will see the denigrating treatment and stay in the closet. That hurts the cause of freedom and justice.
@86 anton
Oh, I don’t discount them, not at all. My only point was that Heinlein’s criteria for informed citizenship was far too restrictive and not even necessarily relevant. Quite apart from the fact I wouldn’t know a quadratic equation from a hole in the ground
I wouldn’t care to be ruled by technocrats or any other arbitrary elite. That’s all (good point about recipes btw)
This is a wonderful thread, and I’m glad that so many have expressed their personal feelings. Sure, we’ll all probably be sent off to the re-education camps, but so what! We’ve read Solzhenitzen (sp?) and know what to expect.
I live in Chicago–a true Banana Republic. Old lady that I am, I remember the 1968 riots, when the Kennedy Expressway was decorated by smoky clouds from rioting looters. Later I saw Chicago rise from its declining rustbelt status to a beautiful Emerald City (the model for the Emerald City of Oz). This was done under the regime of Mayor Richard Daley II, who once loved his native city.
But something happened to Daley II. He turned into his dad, and sold our city to the scammers and nogoodniks. Now we are about to see the Second Decline of Chicago.
The prosperity of recent decades went to people’s heads. They think that money magically appears when needed. Someone once said: “From shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations.”
Mea culpa
My hurried post @60 was wrong in at least two ways. The ballot kerfuffle took place in North Carolina, not Georgia and was stopped by the Justice Department, not the Federal Election Committee.
Who knows, it might have happened more recently as well. These days I remember data from 40 years ago better than four days ago.
This site deserves better fact checking. Back to lurking with a silent keyboard.
Marymcl @ 83:
That quote from Heinlein may seem strange or funny to some, but how would you describe the choice of 53% of the voters in the last election? Who’s kidding who? Besides, the “quadratic equation” test is a much lower bar than some would set. Think about this for a moment:
“Until the nineteenth century, many Western democracies had property qualifications in their electoral laws; e.g. only landowners could vote, or the voting rights were weighed according to the amount of taxes paid.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrage)
Which means, only TAXPAYERS voted in those elections, not the 45-50% of our citizens who currently have no tax liability. If only the people who had “skin in the game” voted, how many of those fools and thieves in Congress would actually be re-elected, I wonder?
Besides, “technocrats” already do rule this country; who do you think enforces those all those regulations, issued by the huge government agencies, that are killing so many “private” jobs in the U.S.?
It’s not the elites that are broken, it’s the system. What the system needs is a stronger incentive NOT to spend our money than to spend money that doesn’t exist. A new party isn’t going to change the system – eventually, this magical new party will succumb to the same incentives to play Santa Claus that the Democrats and Republicans have. I’d like to hear some reasonable plan on how to fix the system, rather than just getting rid of the current crop of elitist bums.
88. Tcobb:
“What you envision would take a literal revolution.”
That is exactly what I am afraid of. Think of what will happen when the US govt goes bankrupt and the welfare checks stop coming. I find no comfort in that thought, I have five kids and a granddaughter turning two in January. I don’t like the idea of a future framed in blood and fire, but it is a real possibility.
The Red/Blue split will be ugly and violent there is little of value in the tiny area of land controlled by the Blues (and damned little to eat). The uneducated masses contained therein are far more violent than the French Revolutionaries and are more likely to turn on their “leaders” who have promised them so much.
Robspierre went from the top to the guillotine very quickly.
They will then turn and try to do what fifty years of social conditioning has taught them; take what they want from those that had the temerity to be productive. There is where it will really get nasty.
The worst part is that I was so very much looking forward to a peaceful retirement in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
Sigh.
71. bogie wheel,
As one of those vets, let me thank you, and totally concur with your reservations. We are only ordinary people with sometimes unusual experiences.
I must remind you that “ordinary” may spiritually prepare themselves for what they do not yet know.
You will not rise to the occasion; you will default to your level of training.
91. marymcl:
I’m with you. Higher math was always a closed book to me, too much of a “knuckles in the dust” sort of guy. I don’t like the idea of technocrats in charge either, too cold-blooded for my taste. But the system has slipped over the brink that DeTorqueville (sp?) pointed out, too many people, as Cas says, have no skin in the game. They vote for leaders knowing it will cost them nothing as they are “net takers” and do not contribute anything worthwhile.
Mayhaps the ancient Greeks had it right when they required voters to keep and maintain a full suit of armor (and to fight if needed). Perhaps a system where votes are weighted by the percentage of EARNED income that the voter pays in taxes…I don’t know.
I am tired and crabby and feel very dark, good night all.
Mandatory term limits for Congress sacrifice vital experience, to avoid entropy. In such a scenario, the PARTY becomes all. Perhaps, as with the President, limiting the number of terms is a compromise worth consideration.
In time, providing Congress with a 2/3 override power for Supreme Court decisions will destroy the Constitution by introducing chaos and ‘cementing’ fundamental and unresolvable legal contradictions.
“They don’t understand that people can just stop, get out.”
The Barney Frank’s of the world’s response will be the confiscation of private assets. Nationalization of all industries and the confiscation of all former stockholders assets formerly held in those companies.
“How do we rid ourselves of the corrupt parasites in government? We’ve tried a bunch of solutions already… None of it has worked. As fast as we can peacefully throw one batch of crooks out, another slips in behind our backs to take their place.’
Give the man a gold star! For that IS the BIG question. Alas, no one’s answered it yet.
85. Bonnie
Three times in the last two years, confronting the communists and anarchists of Code Pink and International ANSWER. I missed the big Tea Party, but made a local event. I’m too old for this stuff, but I WILL do it again. BC breeds not just idle thinkers, but men of praxis.
Batman @ 48 said, in part:
B-Man, ask this, how many are there that in the current situation are coming to a point where they have very little left to lose?
Look at the electoral map of ’08 and see where the red flows. Rural, flyover country. Oklahoma was the only all red state. All red. And the Noonans would sneer about ‘Okies’, etc. Bitter clingers (stockpiling like mad, thank you).
Herb @ 58:
(O/T – One of my uncles was Herbert. Nice man.) Me, b. 1952 and all of the relatives lived the depression, all of them. Male Uncles and Cousins all fought in WWII and Korea. We fought Vietnam. They taught us about: gardening, canning, hunting, fishing, faith, family. Should it get too bad, I for one will feed my dogs with Greenie Environmentalist. I hear they are soft and not too gamey. Me, I like elk.
Subotai @ 62 said:
And they should fear.
Promethea @ 63 said:
Wha? Who cares? And, I think very wrong. Personally, I am Mathematics, Physics, some programming and Project Management. Not even close. And still in the prime working years, if, IF I could find a job in this miserable mess that the current subjects of wretchard’s post have wrought, this cr-p economy. I am soon out of options and money. Ready for the hedgerows and sniper lines. Screw it.
Bogie Wheel @ 71 said, in part:
True. Also, the older man, when threatened, because of his age will just kill you. No warning. And I believe you do refer to Bill Whittle’s ‘Sheepdogs’. We are that, when need be.
And to Papa Ray, “Amen!”
Bogie Wheel: you sure are on fire tonight!
Promethea,
I’m a carpenter still humping my tools as the sun slowly sets in the West. I’ve been shot at and missed but even if I hadn’t I’ve seen the devil up close a couple of times and I know evil’s out there lurking around the corner.
When I see the elites I am reminded of a wonderful quote by H.L. Mencken:
“The cosmos is a gigantic flywheel making 10000 revolutions a minute. Man is a sick fly taking a dizzy ride on it.” Or in the words of the sixties comedy troupe,
The Firesign Theater “We’re all Bozos on this Bus”
# 71 bogie wheel
There’s something of the angel with the flaming sword about them
боже мой!
Bogie wheel, y’all can’t see the grin on my face. I have been referred to as many things over a … varied … life, but angelic has not been amongst them, in whole or in any aspect.
Thank you, I think.
On a more serious note, Promethea; yeah there are cops here, and military types, and those who have operated in the gray if not the black. But honestly, for myself I don’t think of myself as any special reservoir of virtue OR knowledge. If we share anything that most people don’t [and I am thankful that they don't], it is that we have seen that there is intrinsic evil in the world, and know first hand how common it is. And we have seen the good, and we try to protect it.
But we are far from the only ones to know evil. Too many have seen it, been hurt by it, and have suffered from having it harm those who they love. Evil comes in the most banal, and the most attractive, forms and rarely as something that can be recognized on sight.
One of the blessings of this Republic of free and independent people [for as long as we can hold it] is that anyone not only can see that something needs to be done; we all have no doubt that if the crunch comes that we can do our part. We are not cowed. We are not serfs. We are not, praised be to whichever Diety is turning the crank this week, Europeans. Men, women, and children; if confronted with the choice between right and wrong, freedom or submission, will choose to fight by whatever means for the right and freedom. This is our hope.
Frontiers draw the misfits, the adventurous, the people who are independent and free at heart. We are the product of a century and a half of pushing back frontiers as we settled this continent. And those who came during and after that process began are themselves pioneers who crossed oceans to get here.
They came here, confident that they would do anything that was necessary to survive and prosper. And they did. They learned the skills of peace and commerce. And when needed, they learned and practiced the skills of war.
One of the things I do for fun, is play with muzzle-loading artillery. The first chief of artillery for the American army was a man named Henry Knox. He was a bookseller until he had to move the 59 pieces of artillery from Fort Ticonderoga to Dorchester Heights.
If Americans are still of the mettle of those who came before, then there is hope in the trials to come. That is the question. If.
The answer is in our hands and hearts. It does not matter what we have done before. Just what we do when we have to.
Subotai Bahadur
Mandatory term limits for Congress and Supreme Court will enhance vital experience – the kind of experience that comes from American citizens working productively in the real world. I’m afraid you have it backwards; without term limits we are sacrificing vital experience. Without term limits we get self-serving professional politicians who figure out that Marxist Class Struggle (Government robbing of the middle class to pay the proletariat class – after first feathering their own nest) is a good thing – that is if you are in the Federal Government or politically correct class.
Congressional 2/3 override of Supreme Court decisions (just as Congress has 2/3 override of Presidential vetoes) will save the Constitution by eliminating the chaos of arbitrary law by 5 judges, i.e.: the “Living Constitution.” There will be no chaos under majority rule (Congressional override) if the laws of our land are equally applied to all regardless of their “class.” As it stands, under the Marxist “Living Constitution,” 5 people can decide whether or not 300 million people can legally defend themselves and their families, and whether they can speak freely without fear or loss of property, and make arbitrary decisions regarding freedom of the press. The American Bill of Rights will not be formally revoked by Constitutional amendment, it will simply be interpreted away by the Supreme Court as if it were never written – that is the “Living Constitution” which is Marxist newspeak for a Dead Constitution. There is nothing irresolvable about the sacred rights of man to life (and defense of life), liberty and pursuit of happiness (property creatively earned through labor) – God-given rights protected by our Constitution and Bill of Rights. “We the People” must be the final arbiters of our unalienable rights, not the Supreme Court; so we must be the final arbiters of secular law whose sole purpose is securing those sacred rights.
“You seem to consider the judges the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy (arbitrary law of 5 people, i.e.: the “Living Constitution”). Our judges … and their power are the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and are not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves….When the legislative or executive functionaries act unconstitutionally, they are responsible to the people in their elective capacity. The exemption of the judges from that is quite dangerous enough. I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves….” Thomas Jefferson
“The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself (Congressional 2/3 override of the Supreme Court) or be ruled by a small elite (5 Judges).” Thomas Jefferson
“Where the law of the majority (Congressional 2/3 override of the Supreme Court) ceases to be acknowledged, there government ends; the law of the strongest takes its place, and life and property are his who can take them.” Thomas Jefferson
“A nation ceases to be republican…when the will of the majority (Congressional 2/3 override of the Supreme Court) ceases to be the law.” Thomas Jefferson
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress (Elections) and the courts (Congressional 2/3 override), not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution (arbitrary “Living Constitution”).” Abraham Lincoln
@94 cas
I would describe the choice of 53% of the voters in the last election as a boneheaded mess, OK? I just don’t think mathematical facility had anything to do with it one way or the other.
Look, despite what I said about Heinlein’s idea, I don’t think we’re all that far apart here. I’ve been working for 40 years – (25yrs in restaurants as variously waitress/cook/bartender, had my own crafts business for a while and finally took up nursing after 9/11 – there’s my 2 cents for Promethea’s survey of occupations) – plus raised a couple of kids and I’m just as unhappy as you are with the way things are going. I’m even recently unemployed, as quite a few of us seem to be around BC these days.
But all the same I’m very wary of restricting the franchise just because we don’t like the way the last election turned out. In fact I’m dead against it. I know lots of people who voted for Obama who lead useful, productive lives and would have no trouble at all with your quadratic equations either. And lest we forget, there were plenty of conservatives and libertarians who either sat out the election because McCain was who he was and they couldn’t stand him or else voted for Obama just to make some kind of statement to the Republican party. Not to beat the point to death, but I daresay most of them had more mathematical facility than foresight or common sense.
And now I’m going to fix myself a drink
Robert Gibbs today:
On the first part, Jeff, you know, look, I think — I don’t — I used to have it calculated, I should just go back and do it, the number of hours that he has spent in these meetings is probably now — well, at the end of today will probably be getting close to 20 direct hours of his time. The group — the principals that meet with the President additionally take time to get the material ready, and are prepared to answer questions for the President, probably at least twice as much of that of the President’s time the principals have spent.
So obviously we — the President and his team have spent a pretty big chunk of time evaluating very, very closely each of these individual countries, their relationship together and their impact on the region.
At the conclusion of these meetings, he generally is off to the next thing. I think he has spent quite a bit of time after the meetings back in the office — back in his office, probably primarily in the Residence at night, going back and reading through his notes, as well as — notes that he’s taken on the meetings, and oftentimes will come out with questions that the team will prepare the answers for, for the next meeting.
Q Can I ask, if possible, how have these seven meetings not created the need for an eighth and a ninth and a tenth? At what point does he stop these meetings, announce a decision, and fine-tune after that?
MR. GIBBS: Right. Look, the President has certainly told all of us that we were going to go through an extensive and exhaustive review, but Jeff, I can assure you that he knows and the team know that you cannot and we will not meet in perpetuity on this. But the President believes that we’re still — we’re still assessing the information that he needs to make that final decision.
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20 hours of meetings is a lot of time???
Is this not sheer incompetence???
Promethea-
I want to take this opportunity to apologize. I jumped all over you a few weeks ago and in thinking about it afterwards I’ve decided that I was was being paranoid and unfair. I bear you no hard feelings and I apologize for my harsh words.
Reading the comments, it feels like a convention of Heinlein heroes trying to make sense of an alien world they know, yet seems to be a strange land. So is that who we are, Strangers in a Strange Land?
Heinlein wrote a book (he wrote many), called “Take Back Your Government”, in 1946. My copy was printed in 1992. There seems to be a recurring theme. We need to take back the cockpit from the hijackers. Flight 93 should be our inspiration.
Me. I am a stranger in the strange land of California. A conservative evangelical Christian, who hears from God occasionally. A member of groups, but no member of a group. A vet, army for 3 years. I love to read, enjoy history, geology, theology and quantum mechanics.
Heinlein wrote of the crazy years. This is just the crazy years part II. His timeline describes this era as
” Space travel ceased until 2072. Little research and only minor technical advances during this period. Extreme puritanism….aspects of…social control developed by the priest class.”
What he got wrong was the priest class. He thought the danger was Christian Fundamentalists. He didn’t realize it was from those he thought his allies. Remember Heinlein ran for State Assembly as a democrat. In our previous threads, the religion that hides, has been exposed. We know the enemy.
It is important to remember the vast majority of Americans are not the enemy. It can be easy to get frustrated with those who do not see what we see. What is important to realize is people can learn. Peggy Noonan is a skilled writer. She has a platform. If she sees the truth now, punishing her for her earlier error may feel good, but accomplish little. It may be very useful for her to write of why, and how she was deceived.
It’s not the elites that are broken, it’s the system. What the system needs is a stronger incentive NOT to spend our money than to spend money that doesn’t exist. A new party isn’t going to change the system – eventually, this magical new party will succumb to the same incentives to play Santa Claus that the Democrats and Republicans have. I’d like to hear some reasonable plan on how to fix the system, rather than just getting rid of the current crop of elitist bums.
The main thing to achieve is memory management. Good constitutionalists know that de-allocating resources is as important as allocating them. Terms limits are are garbage collection routines to make sure that each political thread eventually ends. But parties live longer than candidates. Their life span is continued as memes. The normal destructor for memes is discredit. Other devices are used, like check and balance, which can be thought of as internal process voting systems, etc. But in general some means of orderly political destruction has to be enforced if the memory space isn’t going to be haunted by all these destructive and possibly malicious objects just living on forever.
Concepts like the “permanent” campaign and the return of the 80 year old “New Deal” are signs that something is living on in an untimely way. The sheer antiquity of the leftist ideology is red flag, if you pardon the expression, indicative of something unwholesome and undead. It’s not natural. The only way a meme can live forever is to exile itself from this world and become the province of religion. The separation of Church and State intuitively understands the difference between religions whose memes can live forever because they do not alight upon thrones; and politics which must be renewed every two years if possible because it clings to power like a leech.
The most dangerous political movements are those which take on the aspects of religion. They claim the protection of faith by pretending to speak to eternity on the one hand, while practicing the most immediate kind of power grabbing on the other. It’s no coincidence that socialism and radical Islam are the chief contenders for absolute power. One is a religion pretending to be a political movement and the other is a political movement in the garb of a religion.
Anything that touches the earth needs memory management routines. Even nature renews itself. It discovered destructors were necessary long before computer scientists did. But destructors are not end in themselves. They exist in order for the larger creative process to survive; else they would choke it all with terrible old men.
The Democrats speak of Camelot, as if it were a never-ending kingdom; an eternal party. But Tennyson knew it was not so. For Camelot to live forever it had to die, by the shores where lived the Lady of the Lake. “And God fulfils Himself in many ways, Lest one good custom should corrupt the world.”
marymcl @ 106:
Pax, OK?
My point, that I obviously didn’t explain well enough, is my frustration with BOTH parties continuing to offer to the voters idiots (or worse) as “candidates” for both state legislatures, and for Congress; SOB’s who refuse to “do the math” about spending tax dollars they don’t earn, and soon won’t even be able to borrow.
And I’m right with you on trying to survive and make a livin’; 20 years of active duty service won’t make you rich.
Enjoy your “frosty beverage of choice,” I’m already two drinks ahead of you…it’s been a depressing week **sigh**
107 Bonnie
Thank you for supplying that example of Baghdad Bob’s latest effluvium. It helped me appreciate anew the relevance of my particular skill set. As long as we’re talking occupations, I’m an academic writer/researcher/editor. Regarding editing in particular, I do not only what’s called line editing–fixing problems in usage, spelling, punctuation, and grammar– but also what’s known as developmental editing– which involves working on the overall structure and organization of a paper or manuscript. And it is developmental editing that reveals the flaws (if any) in the logic or line of argumentation in a paper or book. I must say that the example from Gibbsy makes my fingers itch for the blue pencil (nowadays, the “track changes” or “insert comment” feature). There is nothing quite like editing to hone one’s awareness of the utter lack of thought as well as the mangling of the mother tongue that one finds in abundance in the speeches of our callous children in public office. If Wretchard ever wants another pair of experienced eyes to look over his embryonic manuscript, I would be delighted to help in any way I can. It would be an honor and a blessed reprieve from some of the stuff that comes my way. I should add that even though I am not a veteran of military service, I honor all who are. I wish I could contribute heavier artillery than a keyboard, but we must each do what we can. Thanks to everyone who posts here at BC– it is indeed a splendid fellowship that our host has assembled.
“20 hours of meetings is a lot of time???”
Since he considered Afghanistan to be of such importance during his campaign why wasn’t this all done long ago, during the transition even?
We know the answer of course. It is only important in that it affects his political power. In that sense he has created his own Gordian knot where there need not be one for those not driven by the demons of power.
Those 20 hours are the equivalent of the “I’ve worked harder than I’ve ever worked in my life” that came so freely from 1992-94.
Well, this is more culture than politics, but between wretchard’s Tennyson quote and the good graces of Bombay gin, I’m inspired to throw a bit of Yeats into the mix -
While still I may, I write for you
The love I lived, the dream I knew.
From our birthday until we die
Is but the blinking of an eye;
And we, our singing and our love,
What measurer Time has lit above,
And all benighted things that go
About my table to and fro
Are passing on to where may be,
In truth’s consuming ecstasy,
No place for love and dream at all;
For God goes by with white footfall.
I cast my heart into my rhymes,
That you, in the dim coming times,
May know how my heart went with them
After the red-rose-bordered hem.
marymcl
If you can throw a bit of Yeats into the mix, I hope a little levity will be okay too. For those who haven’t seen it, here’s Wretchard’s cat laying the smack down on Obama cat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnY6k1ybTHg&feature=player_embedded#
Regarding tests to determine voting, my proposal is that when you enter the booth, there are two levers and a sign that says “Select the correct lever to obtain your ballot.” Whichever lever you pull first, a boxing glove on a stick comes out and punches you in the nose. Then the sign lights up again saying “Select the correct lever to obtain your ballot.” If you pull the other lever the second time, you get your ballot and can go vote. If you pull the same lever again, the boxing glove hits you hard enough the second time to knock you out of the booth and you don’t get to vote.
But on a serious note, I used to be a big proponent of various structural limitations like term limits. I’ve become less enthusiastic because they just don’t matter. So long as we elect scoundrels to office, they will find ways around the proceedural limitations. Here in WA state, we have a ballot initiative (1033) to impose spending limits on the state government. We already passed one of those 15 years ago (I-601) and spending is still out of control because after a little quivering and cowering, our State officials have realized they’re still in office and can ignore the laws without consequence because they will still get re-elected. 601 is a dead letter, so we’re going to pass another one? How will 1033 end up any different?
No good passing more and more laws if you aren’t willing to arrest the criminals. Focus on defeating the incumbents, not on festoning them with rules they won’t even pretend to follow. The “system” that’s broken is our willingness to hold politicians accountable. Fix that and the rest falls back into place. Don’t fix that and all the other tinkering is just busywork.
The scariest frustration for me is watching the blind insanity of the Leftists as they gleefully gather as much sand as they can to build their meaningless castles right before the big tidal wave hits.
And, there in the darkness their glinting teeth and drooling tongues drip droplets of acid, their menacing, yellow eyes narrow and their palms rub together in what they alone determine is some ‘mastermind’ of a plan until, with sudden ferocity, the dark storm clouds roll in overhead and the waves come crashing in without mercy.
What will be left in the wake of such a devastating disaster is something that keeps me up too many sleepless nights as of late.
All doom and gloom aside, I’m trying my best to prepare for the worst but I still hold out a glimmer of hope that things won’t need to become that horrific and perhaps just a ‘taste’ of disaster will be enough to take our country back from the people who would do her harm.
Goodnight, God bless America and brace yourself for the coming storm.
From a distance Guiliani looked the best candidate. It is still hard to find any MSM talking about the lunacy of sub-prime welfare programs, but easy to find them bagging Wall St. greed, as if that’s the key element. Wall St. sold crap because they were given crap to sell, and that’s their job: selling. The origin of the crap is down to pied pipers of the deluded Democrat-do-gooder variety.
83.Marymcl,
I think he was close as well. But the test question should be an essay/MC on some portion of the Constitution or the BOR. And a means test as well. NO JOB NO VOTE.
85. Bonnie: “How many of us would participate in a public demonstration in Washington to show our fed-upness? I would. How about you?”
Weren’t you there on 9/12? I was. Me and about 2 million other Citizens.
88.TCobb: “What you envision would take a literal revolution.”
IT happened once already…
Wretchard, nice use of Boulanger! And MC hasn’t even responded. I think she is slipping.
Wretchard – “Good constitutionalists know that de-allocating resources is as important as allocating them.”
Over the years engineers and architects have create large scale edifices that have marked the ages of human history. The seven wonders of the world were architectural marvels in their day as it was a testament to human endeavor.
Machines were the marvels of the thirty centuries from the Antikythera mechanism to DaVinci, through Gutenberg, Watt and Ford.
Man has constantly evolved in his ability to structure nature into ever more complex mechanistic systems by building into them feedback and balance so that it is self-correcting and predictable in its performance and outcome. Though human nature itself is often contradictory and irrational, political systems that are simple operate smoothly and reliably. The problem itself is the complexity of unfettered control by a political culture that relies on a steady stream of crises to keep its constituents happy rather than its original purpose of maintaining the public trust. Bread and circuses were as much of the demise of Rome as it was a symbol of its moral decadence.
Over the past century scientists and engineers have looked for organizing principles and methods to manage complex systems. In the past few decades the principles of system engineering have been instituted and refined to effectively govern the resources of capital, labor, and time. For any system to succeed it must have goals, energy, output and feedback to control the outcome by finer and finer steps as the goals, input, or requirements are refined and the process is adjusted to complete those goals as a predictable output. These processes must be defined, and structured to control the process throughout its lifetime. In the past two decades in particular, these system engineering management practices have incorporated what is called the “V”, with the left hand side of the V representing the development stage of a system, the bottom of the V representing the implementation of the system, and finally the final tip of the right side of the V representing the activity of scaling down or retiring the system. For a system of software it could be as simple as turning off the computer switch and recycling what computer disks remain. For a nuclear aircraft carrier or submarine the disposal process is as significant proportion of the cost of the lifecycle cost of the system in terms of the expense to make it and the cost to maintain it. That said, the Life Cycle Cost, LCC, must be considered.
A practical goal of government would be to pare down laws to the least practical. New laws impose requirements to the system and must, without unfettered government growth, compete with other resources. Participants of the system cannot create laws at the whim of popular opinion. It is illegal to drive and talk on a cell phone in the state of California because it is reckless. But there is already a statute that prohibits reckless driving. All of the authors of such legislation had to do is declare texting or talking on the cell phone reckless and the existing laws would have sufficed nicely. Anachronistic laws on the books are the subject of lore such as the standing law about tying up your donkey in the town square. The Sun Setting of laws are as important as their creation and managing the lifecycle of the system is as important to its cost as it is to it operating properly. Managing the lifecycle does not just dispose and recycle its worn out detritus, it performs a vital function in keeping the system working and orderly as housekeeping does in code. New laws to protect the rights of increasingly variegated classes of victims violates all of these principles.
Our founding fathers where brilliant architects, versed in all of the relevant political philosophy of their time, and spent tremendous amounts of intellectual capital to craft a system that was equitable and morally charitable for all. Above all it was a political system that was simple enough to operate and had the system of checks and balances to provide the feedback that was necessary to keep the system in balance and operating as it was intended. What has corrupted this system as much as anything is the dilution of goals that has made the system overly complex and incapable of operating in an equitable and charitable fashion. Each branch of government has over stepped its boundaries in a struggle for primacy over the other straining the system of checks and balances. It has found profit in the creation of new public policy above the need for an orderly and equitable system that has the trust of its users and the community in which it operates. It has been co-opted by the demagog’s that implement as public policy a hierarchy of preferences that exalts the rights of perceived victims and elevates their stature over the very elites that benefit from dispensing public largesse . These special rights diminish the very concept of a system that is equitable and morally charitable for all. Some pigs are more equal than others.
Strict constitutionalism is not an anachronism, it is the-state-of-the-art of political science of our fore fathers, and it has withstood the test of time. A modern oligarchy and the political class have managed to over burden the system with frivolous inputs and has rendered the systems control-loop inoperable. No congress of man has built a more ingenious system of government as written into our constitution and never will. It is a gift and we should use it wisely. It is not a living document. It is an operator’s manual.
Years & years ago, when I was living in California and Alan Keyes had a radio show, I remember him saying something to the effect that Americans should NEVER give the government peremptory claim to their money.
His argument was from principle: Taxes are a liberty issue. One means of a citizen expressing disagreement with the government is, yes, the vote, but another means, perhaps an even more effective one, is for a citizen to reduce the amount of money that goes to the government.
When the citizen is in direct & tangible control of that expression of power (i.e. they can legally and immediately express dissent by starving the government), the primary power of governance resides with the citizen. When the citizen cannot legally and immediately express dissent in that fashion, primary power shifts to the government.
There is also the issue of taxing earnings vs. taxing consumption. Keyes believes the former is deeply immoral and contrary to our founding principles, but I won’t go too deeply into this angle since I don’t think many here would disagree.
Anyhoo.
I spoke above about the abundance of viable ideas re: improving the current mess, but I can’t help but think that the radix of the malorum is indeed the cupiditas. It comes down to money. Money funds all those infernal social engineering programs. Money floats the mandarin class’s ability to continue being the mandarin class. Money is the medium in the accretion of political power and the bestowing of political favors. Money is the weapon of choice in the envy battle of the class war.
Money, let’s face it, is one of the three or four fundamental motivators of mankind. Always has been and always will be. (Sex, revenge & honor being the others.)
Money is not only WHY they do what they do, it is HOW they do what they do.
Willie Suttons that they are, the thieves flock by the thousands and tens of thousands to Washington (and Harrisburg, and Sacramento, and Albany, Boston, Springfield, Saint Paul, etc.) because that’s where the money is.
No amount of spending caps, term limits, checks & balances (which tentacle of the octopus has power over another tentacle?), will amount to much as long as the Tax/Borrow/Print-$ spigot keeps gushing dollars.
How do fed-up citizens shut off the spigot? Without getting jailed or shot?
I will leave that simple little question to the superior brains at BC. I haven’t had breakfast yet and, wouldn’t you know it, this is one of those weekends when I had to bring a bunch of office work home with me.
What will be the tipping point? Are we simply tilting at imaginary windmills?
She writes of despondency. Many find it difficult to follow those that say they are going to do one thing but repeatedly end up doing another. She was blinded by her hope craving.
Is my memory faulty or did politicians used to work together for the good of the Country in the not so distant past? Does common ground no longer exist? There are lessons in front of us everyday, are we learning or averting our eyes in disgust?
Wretchard @ 110: A similar thought had occurred to me (though your treatment of it is far, far more eloquent than my simple thoughts). With an engineer’s biases, I keep coming back to the structural flaws that make the system behave like it does, and have a predilection for structural solutions. I’ve recently thought that it was necessary to have an arm of the legislature whose only function is the destruction of laws, not their creation. Alas, this would probably require amending the Constitution, which makes it all but impossible to achieve. But yes, I agree, politics (and ideas) lack garbage collection. That’s what books are supposed to be for. As we’ve seen recently, though, politicians don’t feel the need to read. Along similar lines, I’ve wondered if it would work to divide the functions of Congress: only the House could tax, and only the Senate could spend. Then the House has only a negative function, one that Congressmen are loathe to perform, because their every action jeopardizes their jobs. The Senate could not spend anything the House doesn’t give them. I don’t know if it would work, but that’s the sort of impractical place I always end up in.
bogie wheel: No amount of spending caps, term limits, checks & balances (which tentacle of the octopus has power over another tentacle?), will amount to much as long as the Tax/Borrow/Print-$ spigot keeps gushing dollars.
That is the crux of it. All else flows from this. Any attempt to check the powers of presidents, legislators and courts will be fruitless unless the scope of federal duties and powers is also constrained. That means two things. First, devolving power to States and municipalities, or simply doing away with many things we now see as government functions. The latter is difficult because many simply can’t conceptualize an alternative to government power. Having no strong family structure, rootless, with no allegiance to other associations – churches, societies – the default solution will always be the state. So second, it is incumbent on us to demonstrate the vitality of the anti-state. It isn’t enough to say that government is often a poor solution. We have to constantly demonstrate that the alternative (and by alternative I don’t mean just business) is better. I don’t think we have paid enough attention to this.
“One means of a citizen expressing disagreement with the government is, yes, the vote, but another means, perhaps an even more effective one, is for a citizen to reduce the amount of money that goes to the government….When the citizen is in direct & tangible control of that expression of power (i.e. they can legally and immediately express dissent by starving the government), the primary power of governance resides with the citizen. When the citizen cannot legally and immediately express dissent in that fashion, primary power shifts to the government.”
“There are those who still think they are holding the pass against a revolution that may be coming up the road. But they are gazing in the wrong direction. The revolution is behind them. It went by in the Night of Depression, singing songs to freedom. So it was that a revolution took place within the form. Like the hagfish, the New Deal entered the old form and devoured its meaning from within. The revolutionaries were inside; the defenders were outside. A government that had been supported by the people and so controlled by the people became one that supported the people and so controlled them. Garet Garrett
“For a significant illustration of what has happened to words, of the double meaning that inhabits them, put in contrast what the New Deal means when it speaks of preserving the American system of free private enterprise and what American business means when it speaks of defending it. To the New Deal these words, the American system of free private enterprise, stand for a conquered province. To the businessman the same words stand for a world that is in danger and may have to be defended….You do not defend a world that is already lost. When was it lost? That you cannot say precisely. It is a point for the revolutionary historian to ponder. We know only that it was surrendered peacefully, without a struggle, almost unawares. There was no day, no hour, no celebration of the event; and yet definitely, the ultimate power of initiative did pass from the hands of private enterprise to government. There it is and there it will remain until, if ever, it shall be reconquered. Certainly government will never surrender without a struggle.” Garet Garett
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/garrett1.html
#107 and the Gibbs gibberish (Gibbserish?): When I first heard/read Gibbs I thought I might be mistaken, that he was actually smart and eloquent and I had misheard. Then I realized it wasn’t me, but I figured he was an illustration of the Peter Principle, some flunky who’d worked hard on the campaign and was being given his big moment; or that he was part of some other political payoff. But my thinking has evolved to a third position: that Gibbs’ incoherence and incompetence is part of a deliberate strategy to obfuscate, irritate, weary and distract. Only the most careful and patient and diligent interrogator –and most of the J-schoolers are not– would try to stay on Gibbs’ six as he corkscrews and fogs his way around a question. That suits the WH just fine.
Transparency! …As for the “twenty hours” of meetings, well, I’m impressed. I mean, it’s only a war, who needs more than Cliffs’ Notes to run that? The fact that men and women are dying every day, that millions of lives are at risk, that hundreds of billions in treasure are being committed, that our credibility as a nation hangs in the balance –so what? Hey, I bet he’s spent more time on this than on taking his kids out for ice cream!
Maybe not.
“How do we rid ourselves of the corrupt parasites in government? We’ve tried a bunch of solutions already. None of it has worked. As fast as we can peacefully throw one batch of crooks out, another slips in behind our backs to take their place.”
Rid? Could mean exterminate. I am hopeful that the “ridding” can be accomplished through the rule of law and non-violently. As I’ve bemoaned here before, letting these evil-doers retire with full benefits, on our nickel, is hardly justice-served.
How about criminal prosecution? – a very public display of justice applied. Start with a televised trial of All the elected officials who voted for the “stimulus bill” without reading it. (If that isn’t demonstrable theft, nothing will ever be.)
Hold the trial at Gitmo. Let the group have one legal team of 3 lawyers to represent them. I don’t care how long it takes.
A positive side benefit is the total shutdown of the House and Senate during the trial, and 60,000+ fewer laws this year. Plus, the layoff of 50,000 staffers. It’s not like they’ve done anything constructive for decades. WDC has become a law-making machine; all detrimental to the producing class.
I’d say the guilty should serve 5 years down there, and forfeit all salary and pension benefits. We should inform them upfront that this is coming…otherwise, as others here at BC predict, the future is sure to get way out of hand.
Many good comments.
Our present system of government that has strayed so far from our Constitution is most decidedly broken, but our Constitutional system is not. We just need to go back to basics. We need to prune back to nearly nothing the elite welfare state add-ons of government activity never envisioned by the Founding Fathers that have grown to consume so much of our government and our daily lives. It is in these welfare state appendages that most of our suffocating mandarin elite reside and thrive. By pruning them back, we can not only rid ourselves of the influence of those mandarin elites, we can also usher in a new era of entrepreneurial growth and freedom.
The most simple way is through the power of the purse.
In this era of nearly 20% unemployment and economic deprivation of the private sector, it is not only fair and just, but for the first time in a long time politically palatable to just defund the Fascist/Marxist Welfare State. The average Joe has had enough of paying for these Welfare State luxuries, while the government and the average family is going broke! And btw, we can’t afford it anymore. Why should our mandarin elite, it’s bureaucracy and it’s support system continue to live high on the hog, while the rest of us eat their table scraps? It’s ’bout time for ‘them” to feel the pain they have inflicted on us. Why should it be that “we” are the ones who always suffer, why can’t it be “them” for once?
Despite the duplicity of it’s ridiculously treasonous RINO establishment faction, the Republican Party will likely overwhelmingly take Congress next november. All we need is enough resolute Congress Critters to say “stop the bullsh*t” and refuse to pay for all this crap. No more bailouts, bloated bureaucracies, entitlements, and subsidies to the Quangos and their thuggy friends. Defund it all. Without it’s lifeblood, government funding, the tentacles of the welfare state will wither and die and we will be released from the Welfare State stranglehold. Ya, it will be painful struggle, but it’s long overdue and necessary.
All change presents opportunities. Time to seize those opportunities.
122. b w: “I remember him saying something to the effect that Americans should NEVER give the government peremptory claim to their money.”
Funny you should bring that up. I see where California has decided to up the withholding by 10% from every Californian’s paycheck. With the “promise” of being paid back in April. And it begins before Christmas so expect a drop in the C part of the GDP. IMHO we are experiencing the dead cat bounce and there will be a slide when consumer spending drops again and investment goes south on the dismal spending numbers. Cash flow is king. But there is no cash for the average Joe. And increasingly no credit for small business which will really drive the car off the cliff. Thanks to our severely myopic administration. I am beginning to ascribe to the criminal motive for all of this.
It’s called the Golden rule, those who have the gold, Rule those who don’t.
The folks in charge up there in DC now have never been poor, never had to get up sick and go to work doing a mind numbing job for peanuts and then had the government come and take those peanuts away.
Tax is all they know. My taxes went up all across the board and once I am broke what will uncle sam do? why raise my taxes again then collect my property to re sell to some other tax payer.
then the Gov. will run his ass dry and so on.
These are like Ticks that never fall off they just keep sucking away until the host is drained and dead.
we are led and ruled by dipshits, perverts and clowns.
Here’s a voting test – you have to show up in person.
Eliminate “absentee ballots”, they’re increasingly abused, people turn them over to party hacks who fill them out. And they’re voted weeks before the election.
Instead, keep polls open for 24 or 48 or 72 hours.
The main problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.
–Margaret Thatcher
58. herb said,
“Peggy Noonan has a great talent for putting words together for emotional effect.
RR harnessed that for his intellectual goals.
She’s now just wandering around Manhattan.
I admire her talent but not her analytical gifts.
She wants too much to be nice to use her brain.”
—
PERFECT!
Milton Friedman – “Throw the bums out” – Defeat the progressive msm
Video 54 seconds ^
Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:19:11 AM by Halfmanhalfamazing
Here’s a transcript of what’s said:
Unknown voice: “We need to change congress”
Friedman: No, we don’t need to change congress, excuse me. You know, people have a great misunderstanding about this.
People in congress are in the business, they’re trying to buy votes. They’re in the business of competing with one another to get elected. The same congressman will vote for a different thing if he thinks that’s politically profitable. You don’t have to change congress. People have a great misconception in this way they think the way you solve things is by electing the right people.
It’s nice to elect the right people but that isn’t the way you solve things.
The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.
#108 Marymcl . . .
Apology accepted. It’s hard to communicate on the web in little sound bites, find out what people are thinking, and not commit sedition.
I’m glad to see that there are so many sheepdogs on this thread.
For some reason I can’t get the edit function to work properly so I can’t edit my posts. The submit button is not available.
anyhow the above utube transcript was obtained over at freerepublic
“The main problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.
–Margaret Thatcher”
That would be the point of socialism.
It would be a huge error to believe that socialism is self-defeating.
The purpose of socialism is to defeat freedom.
marymcl, cas et al:
Re your interest in producing a competent electorate. I recommend to you an old novel by Nevil Shute, IN THE WET. In it he envisions a system of expanded franchise. All citizens begin with one vote and can earn (if I recall correctly…it’s probably 40 years since I read it) as many as six or seven more. Things that earned you additional votes included military service, advanced education, living abroad for a period of years, running/owning a successful business, being married for a substantial period and raising children. And there was a provision for a vote being awarded as recognition for extraordinary service to the nation. It struck me as eminently good sense at the time.
Although there are many wonderful observations here on the state of our Constitution and government, I still believe that Noonan’s and Wretchard’s points are on the mark: the failure is ultimately one of our elites (the “gilded fools” as Wretchard calls them). No institutional structure designed for and by human beings will be perfect on its own. Rather, the ethic of the people who are the institution is what preserves it. That ethic has been dying for decades, and is now truly exhausted. The state has been reduced to a mere prosthetic limb by which the elites make their good intentions and cleverness universal throughout the land. Vanity supplants moral clarity and brooks no argument.
Worse still, the elite’s ethic is that of progressivism, which is by its very nature hostile towards the cultural values that have sustained our Constitution. Original Sin is banished by the latest developments in the social sciences, and our perfectability seems to want only a few politicians bold enough to pass the necessary laws. Our traditions become superstitions, and our values merely a means of oppression (expressions of Foucault’s “carceral continuum”). Because the progressive’s views are the logical and irrefutable product of reasoned analysis, dissent is by definition illegitimate.
I enjoyed my years at Princeton, and many of my friends now inhabit the halls of power. Sadly, I know that their arrogance and self-belief dominates all aspects of their character. They have little knowledge of America; their world has been one of boarding schools, Ivy League universities, and then life in Manhattan or Washington DC. Their contempt for the values of this country is so deep as to be unacknowledged publicly, and finds expression only in the flippant platitudes of the NYT or NPR.
A society is only as strong as its elites, as to them inevitably falls the task of government. The GOP elite has sunk into the pathetic complacency of RINOism. The Democratic elite has been on the warpath since Reagan had the temerity to restore American power (progressivism is fundamentally a form of Nietzschean decadence in that it hates the very values that propelled America to greatness). Clinton bought them off with rhetoric, while fundamentally keeping the country on a center-right path. Bush’s willingness to engage our enemies pushed the Left beyond all endurance, and Obama is now their standard-bearer. His bromide politics are the same crap every kid learned in the Ivy League of the 1980s. Some grow out of it, while others at least have the patrician’s touch to soften their public personae. Obama has neither, as he is an outsider who has now become the ultimate insider. He rules a country he does not understand, and a people with whom he has never broken bread. Accordingly, his only option will be to break them once his thin patina of charm wears off.
Most Belmont Club commentators work in an office?
Yes, I have worked in an office essentially my whole adult life, ever since I got out of college. That is, when I was not in an overhaul shop or a test cell working on some engineering issue, not working at launch control center console for a rocket launch, not in the bomb bay of a B-52 or F-111, did not have a computer or server opened up to fix it, or was not hiking around recording GPS coordinates and taking pictures of buildings.
My father worked at desk, too. He had one in his repair shop, as far away as possible from the lathe and other messy stuff to try to keep it clean – but it was still dirty.
My grandfather worked in an office too, when he was not trying to shoot out the gas tanks of cars he was chasing or charging through the door of a nest of criminals with a shotgun or Thompson submachinegun.
At home I work at a desk, too, at my computer, when I am not crawling around in and under my airplane, cutting the grass, vacuuming the pool, fixing the fence, painting the house, repairing a car, or puzzling out the innards of a radio made for the USAAF in 1943.
Heinlein once said “Specialization is for insects.” But when you think about it, all the leaders of the Left are highly specialized people. Can you envision Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, or Baroque Obama painting and fixing and changing the oil in something? G.W. Bush, sure, he does that stuff. Michael Moore champions the UAW but can you imagine him trying to put together a car? Can’t you just see Barbara Streisand trying to fix a lawn mower or troubleshoot a computer?
I think that much of the Left’s actions can be explained by their attempting to assert that their particular highly specialized lifestyle is the highest and best use of human talent – and that they have a God given right to that kind of work. I came to realize while at the Pentagon that Congress pretty much sees no difference between the American worker and the guy they see panhandling at the entrance to the Metro – allocate enough money in the right place and the panhandler will be providing health care or launching a weather satellite.
I’m a bit of a broken record on this point but Wretchard is making the same point with this post – time to change our elites. The success of the Constitution has been that we can do so without have to chop off their heads or defenestrate them. We’ve done it before – Andrew Jackson was one case – and it has happened on a local and state level many times.
The MSM is slipping economically, thanks in part to technology breaking their monopoly. The politicians can be still be changed at the voting booth – I hope! Academia is just starting to be challenged but wheels are in motion. The big corporate and financial institutions have had a shakeup although they might come out stronger for awhile. (The defection of venture capitalism was a very bad sign.)
Let me close with a quote from Oswald Spengler’s “The Decline of the West”:
“In spite of its foreground appearances, ethical Socialism is NOT a form of compassion, humanity, peace, and kindly care, but one of will-to-power. Any other reading is illusory. The Stoic takes the world as he finds it, but the Socialist wants to organize and recast it in form and substance, to fill it with his OWN spirit. The Stoic adapts himself, the Socialist commands.”
BTW, I’m a nuclear engineer designing and building nuclear power plants globally.
Leif @ 141: Sorry, Leifmeister, I have to disagree. It’s not that the elites are bad or corrupt – though many, if not most, of them are – but that all of their incentives encourage them to do disastrous things. In order to work over the long term, the system has to reward them for making the right decisions, even if it’s for the wrong reasons. It’s why capitalism works and socialism doesn’t. Greed IS Good.
The feedback of elections is supposed to do that, but its response time is so slow as to make it of limited use, especially when people aren’t paying attention. At the moment, though, it’s the only control we have, so we’ll have to make it work. Hope it’s not too late.
@133 Josh:
“Here’s a voting test – you have to show up in person.”
Amen to that. Here in Seattle that’s no longer even an option. All voting county wide is by mail only.
The other thing I find extremely frustrating (not to mention suspicious) is the stupefying complexity of some of the stuff that comes up on the ballot. Take, for instance, Referendum Measure 71 (aka Domestic Partnership Law aka SB 5688) from the King County voter’s pamphlet. The text of this thing contains no less than 201 subsections that take up 30 pages of double column, single space legalese. Nobody’s going to read this, they’re just going to go with the soundbite statements for and against. And while I personally oppose the bill and will vote against it, I suspect it will pass for the simple reason that the bill’s proponents have a much more appealing statement. On the face of it, who doesn’t want the family of the firefighter who dies in the line of duty taken care of?
Which takes us back to the issue others have raised about the superficial impressions that wind up being determining factors in the way people vote. This has got to be at least partly because the truth of any issue or campaign is so deeply buried under a pile of obfuscating BS (which everyone knows and takes for granted anymore) that half the time no one can be really sure of anything but their gut instinct. For that matter, that’s all I’m going on in voting against this thing – its stated goal of “protecting Washington’s families” (from what?)is just too vague to be trusted, especially when you consider the hairsplitting density of the actual proposal. In short, I think the lawyers and lobbyists are a big part of our electoral problems. What to do about it – that’s the question.
The problem will be with the die-hard ideologues. The kind who for whom all or nothing is the only game worth playing. I don’t think anybody has anything to say to Bill Ayers types of the world. I don’t think they have anything to say to even to themselves. They’re just one big “I wanna, wanna, wanna!” Nobody exists in that universe of demigods but themselves.
True enough, wretchard…you can’t argue reason with the terminally unreasonable.
However, while I am not a fan of Noonan’s the chill wind she feels coming, I have felt for some time now. This time…it just feels different…somehow.
The Republican party is marginalized almost beyond repair. The Ayers brand of all or nothing has torn asunder a piece of the moral fabric of this land of ours. Our information stream is gang raped on a daily basis by moral cowards with no conscience…who play the role of crooked refs in a rigged contest.
These very same cretins would be screaming bloody murder if leftist notions were strangled into silence and only far right ideas obtained time with the entrenched major airwonks and national ink stains of post-modern America.
Without a reliable information stream…if the town criers have abandoned their posts and have signed on as conspirators and double agents to “rig” the facts…we are up a very muddy stream without a paddle.
But for most, even to many of the Left, they’ll adapt if they see things aren’t working. They may be temporarily stupid, but they’re not permanently crazy. Most people don’t have enough education to be continuously loco.
I wish that you were right, but I fear you are dead wrong, Wretchard. Witness the collosal crash and burn of the readership, viewership , ACTIVE PARTICIPATION by all but the zombies in the echo chamber of our entrenched media outlets.
There appears to be nothing temporary about it. They are going down with the “message” ship. And there is nothing elite about these distortionists. They are not subtle and they are craven.
Weakly educated and poorly trained at their tasks…they instead have invented the “New Big Lie”…a prevarication so preposterous and collosal…that watching them deny that it exists..stuns the listener into silence. These are E-lites…a mutant and weak strain of leftist that has no capacity to reason on a level playing field…so they put the “fix” in…and complain wildly when anyone tries to call a play within reason, rules or rationale.
The chill wind blowing…is that nobody can stop the crooked refs from keeping the game “fixed”. If we don’t attack the infestation of vermin in our information stream…we don’t have a chance to address the other issues. Everyone may be entitled to form their own opinion…but the leftists have decided that they are entitled to form their own facts. And the rest of us pay a heavy price for allowing that to continue.
#105 Storm Rider,
I realize the frustrations and impediments to proper governance activist judges and an entrenched, corrupt Congress create. I share those concerns and frustrations. I agree something needs to be done. Surely, you don’t want to “throw the baby out with the bathwater” either?
I also realize you’re wedded to your ‘prescriptions’ but I’d ask you to consider the unintended consequences of your proposed solutions.
Please explain how limiting a Congressman from the House to 2-3 terms (4-6 yrs) will allow them to develop the experience needed to get things done? Especially when they’re in campaign mode half of that time?
“Congressional 2/3 override of Supreme Court decisions (just as Congress has 2/3 override of Presidential vetoes) will save the Constitution by eliminating the chaos of arbitrary law by 5 judges”
Perhaps, but is it ‘arbitrary’ when 5 of the 9 happen to vote in agreement with your position?
More importantly, a Congressional override will allow for Congress to ‘cement’ into law contradictory provisions.
Hate speech laws which restrict freedom of speech for instance. Net neutrality and the ‘fairness doctrine’ are but a few others.
How can any court provide a logically consistent ruling if the Constitution itself is contradictory?
Because over time, different Congress’s will have overridden different Supreme Court decisions and enforced laws clearly contradicting various parts of the Constitution? Hell, they’ll be passing overrides that contradict each other!
I realize that the pesky “Law of Unintended Consequences” is an annoyance but that doesn’t invalidate it.
It’s exactly this sort of thing that led to the Founding Fathers putting in place; the 6 year terms of Senators, the balance of powers, declining term limits and denying both Congress and the President the power to override the Supreme Court.
What you’re proposing is to replace the the present ‘Supreme’ Court with another; Congress. Further, and knowingly or not, you’re proposing that the will of the ‘people’ (the mob) replace the Constitution as the ultimate arbiter of law.
In our present system, the ultimate arbiter of all constitutional questions IS the Supreme Court. With the provision that the only ‘override’ is changing the Constitution, always an option but purposely made difficult to do.
Democracy makes for responsive government. Democracy without substantial safeguards makes for very bad law. And law based in inviolate, logically consistent principle is all that stands between civilization and chaos and barbarism.
142. RWE:
“…..they have a God given right to that kind of work”
The Secular Materialists have created a new religion of self-worship based upon their central concept that I like to refer to as “The Divine Right of Things”.
None (or precious few) of them make, or ever have made, anything of use or value. They posess no real-world skills. They are like a menagerie of blown-glass scuptures; fragile, empty and, despite their intellectual or physical beauty, entirely without practical value.
83/mary. Hollandaise sauce. There’s an immediacy to cooking that requires a person to comprehend “if p then q”/the consequences of his actions. Sauces that curdle or scorch easily teach this concept rather well, but one needs a grandparent or great-grandparent who lived through the Depression to gain the gravitas of the value of the ingredients lost to carelessness. Similar to 26/Stephen’s comment about businessmen.
I’m not the norm here. I have a good mind but a lousy education which I’ve been striving to right; reading BC helps. Would have been a Marine but was 4F. Have done odd jobs, secretarial, factory, built a small farm on an 1890′s homestead in Montana, now a housewife mostly on bed rest with cancer and complications.
Not all angels are “angelic.” Subotai would definitely fit well into early literature.
@146 cfbleachers
“Everyone may be entitled to form their own opinion…but the leftists have decided that they are entitled to form their own facts. And the rest of us pay a heavy price for allowing that to continue.”
Lately I’ve been re-reading Hannah Ahrendt, and she made the same point just after WWII in the introduction to “Origins of Totalitarianism”
~ “The most striking difference between ancient and modern sophists is that the ancients were satisfied with a passing victory of the argument at the expense of truth, whereas the moderns want a more lasting victory at the expense of reality. In other words, one destroyed the dignity of human thought whereas the others destroy the dignity of human action. The old manipulators of logic were the concern of the philosopher whereas the modern manipulators of facts stand in the way of the historian. For history itself is destroyed, and its comprehensibility – based on the fact that it is enacted by men and therefore can be understood by men – is in danger whenever facts are no longer held to be part and parcel of the past and present world, and are misused to prove this or that opinion.” ~
Tolkien had it right, always after a defeat and a respite, the Shadow takes shape and rises again
That Peggy Noonan went from a Reagan speechwriter to an Obama suporter is baffling.
The left has deconstructed the link between cause and effect. This was necessary as leftist policies do not work. If the C/E link is left in place then leftism is ultimately discarded.
In the media’s coverage of Obama; his background, associations, past speeches, and leftist inclinations were supressed by the media. This made any C/E linking impossible.
If this information had been reported by the msm then Obama would have been subject to the rational process of people linking up who he was as evidenced by his associations etc. and comparing it to who he portrayed himself to be. There would have been significant disconnects and dissonance.
Peggy Noonan’s piece demonstrates that the cause and effect link is not totally broken, even in her. She has dealt with hope and change meeting reality and the subsequent dissonance by discarding her illusions about Obama now that reality has intruded.
This will happen at different rates to different people.Reality, after all, is primary.
The larger hope is that Obama’s presidency may finally bring down the left. Obama’s election was the apex of the power generated by the fusion of fantasy, marketing, and politics. This fusion is Obama’s approach to governing. (The part of his government that is displayed)
This works as long as reality cooperates and permits itself to be manipultated and managed.
This of course, is impossible in the long term.
So, because the left cannot deal in cause and effect it has to employ fantasy, emotion and manipulation of perception.
That system is breaking down as Noonan’s defection shows. She was able to maintain the hope and change illusion longer because she is insulated from the reality effects. The rest of us are not so insulated and since we live in the cause and effect universe the fanatasy that is Obamaland is not powerful.
Because survival is the anchor to the human capacity to see reality, make decisions and adjust to changing circumstances I believe that we will survive these fools. Not all of us but most of us. It is this capacity and the subsequent action that is taken because of this process that separates Americans from all those who stay in the old country, adjust and try to continue to hope.
The people who are able to let of hope when they assess reality and then see danger are the people who escape the Nazi’s, flee Cuba, and set out in boats with Vietnam fading in the distance. They walk out of Russia, and march in the streets of Tehran. It is this ability to discard that is a component of the American DNA.
Peggy Noonan belated return to rationality makes me hopeful. She shows that the American DNA is still present in even the most deluded.
Let’s acknowledge that the Left has built on a core truth about human societies but perhaps arrived at a dysfunctional application.
We do need to work as a group at times and in certain places. It is sometimes in our best interests to follow a leader and subsume our own interests to those of the group.
We do it for our families, our communities, our neighbors, and our country.
Yet take that essential behavior and one can exploit it to take power away from the people and to steal from them. That willingness to share can be exploited.
The tragedy of socialism is to misuse and exploit that basic human behavior.
Sylvia said:
Keep reading. My mother had a high school education then secretarial school. Her dad told her to do that then “…find a man to marry…”. She did but on her terms. She was a legal secretary (now called exec admin) who served a federal Court Of Appeals judge. She learned the law like of old …. in reading the opinions and a lifetime of practice. She kept the judge from silly mistakes (tho’ he was the brightest of the bright, an old time judge and honorable man) and his law clerks from stupid ones in bench briefs. Two of them are now US Senators. (What a waste of talented minds.) One administers a charitable trust.
IOW, education can be wasted on fools. Kind of the point of this post by wretchard. The “elites” are really anything but. Common minds who have the grace of uncommon opportunity ….. mostly wasted. Sad that. Dullards who actually believed their loving parents admonitions of “how special they are”. There should have been the addendum “…to me.” And the sad state of ‘state’ education leaves them feeling that they really are worthy of their inflated self worth’s when they are only middling in the span of the human range.
You, however, by your credible self evaluation show that you are uncommon. Keep on doing what you can and pray for good outcomes to your health problems.
@149 Sylvia
“I’m not the norm here. I have a good mind but a lousy education which I’ve been striving to right”
Same here. I dropped out of high school and never got a GED till I was in my mid-40′s. But I was fortunate in that my father (who quit school at the age of 12 during the depression but never stopped reading) taught me to read and write before I started kindergarten and I grew up in a family with more books than money. Just lucky that way.
BTW regarding your post on the favorites thread (comments were closed before I could respond) I hope you will continue to post. For what it’s worth, I lurked here for years before ever daring to comment and used to do the same thing you described – write something and then decide it wasn’t worth posting and delete it. The company here is so knowledgeable and articulate it seemed too daunting, even presumptuous, to add my two cents. But then for some reason I just threw caution to the winds one day and what I discovered is that BC’s denizens are also generous and welcoming. So I hope you will keep posting. We can always use more women around this joint and its obvious you have something worthwhile to say.
BTW I agree with you and bogie wheel about Subotai. All the best angels have swords.
154. marymcl
“BTW I agree with you and bogie wheel about Subotai. All the best angels have swords.”
And the judgement and nerve to use them if need be.
Just pray that “need be” never comes to pass.
RE: 145 marymcl — My rule of thumb has always been, “When in doubt, vote NO.”
If you vote NO in error on a worthy proposal, it can be brought up again in the next election. If you vote YES on a bad proposal you are stuck with it for the duration. And if I don’t understand it in plain terms, I always vote NO.
Geoffrey Britain, 147: “Please explain how limiting a Congressman from the House to 2-3 terms (4-6 yrs) will allow them to develop the experience needed to get things done?”
Geoffrey; We are complete enantiomers. I have rational expectations that Congressmen/Congresswomen will have the requisite pre-existing experience, common sense and moral judgment needed to write our national laws before they arrive in Congress due to their real life creative labor &/or entrepreneurship – no on-the-job training will be necessary. To hell with the self-serving, Marxist (social-engineering) professional politician. There will be Congressional aides who remain behind when turnover occurs; they will be an adequate source of continuity.
OT. Talks Hans Rosling: Let my dataset change your mindset. Linky
Wretchard reminds me of one of my favorite tag lines from Dennis Prager: “You have to have an advanced degree to believe something that stupid.”
Not to advocate anti-intellectualism, I nevertheless think that an unhealthy reverence for credentials is an important contributing factor to inbred and isolated elites.
American egalitarianism has traditionally played an important role in recycling our elites. A Lincoln has rise from obscurity, a Teddy Roosevelt can escape the dynastic ghetto and remake himself in the nation’s mold.
The founding fathers were inspired by the Cincinnatus ideal to populate the elite – a kind of bourgeois noblesse oblige in the absence of a formal aristocracy. The very term “public servant” implies a sacrifice of self interest, an interruption of one’s own affairs to benefit the commonweal, not careerism.
VDH eloquently describes the transition from a tragic and heroic public ethos to a therapeutic sentimentalism.
Wretchard aptly diagnoses the Left’s decadent decline to secular religion. The credentialed *experts* seek ever greater technocratic license to order the lives of the masses even as they abandon empirical objectivity for postmodern sensibility. The greatest good today is to “make a difference,” not to do one’s duty, or, even to be true to oneself.
Geoffrey Britain, 147: “What you’re proposing is to replace the present ‘Supreme’ Court with another; Congress. Further, and knowingly or not, you’re proposing that the will of the ‘people’ (the mob) replace the Constitution as the ultimate arbiter of law.”
No, I’m not advocating replacement of the Supreme Court by Congress. Even with Congressional 2/3 override power the Supreme Court would be immensely powerful; they could still strike down any Congressional Federal Law, and such judicial review would be difficult to overcome – it’s not easy to get a 2/3 supermajority.
Your fear of “the mob,” which is in fact “We the People,” is an elitist view; it is at its heart the very core of anti-American thought. The majority must rule, but when laws derived from the majority are constrained by the Declaration (no violations of the individual’s sacred unalienable rights are allowed) and Constitution (laws must apply equally to all regardless of “class”) “mob rule” is squashed.
Thomas Jefferson had it right:
“When the legislative or executive functionaries act unconstitutionally, they are responsible to the people in their elective capacity. The exemption of the judges from that is quite dangerous enough. I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves….” Thomas Jefferson
“And where else will this degenerate son of science [Hume], this traitor to his fellow men, find the origin of just powers, if not in the majority of the society? Will it be in the minority? Or in an individual of that minority?” Thomas Jefferson
“Bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect…” Thomas Jefferson
“Where the law of the majority ceases to be acknowledged, there government ends; the law of the strongest takes its place, and life and property are his who can take them.” Thomas Jefferson
Without 2/3 Congressional override the United States is destined to become the North American version of Socialist (Marxist) Europe – with a new class of elite, not-to-be-equalized equalizers – a mob of “Philosopher Kings.”
How can mere taxpayers stop the insanity by not paying taxes? Congress will simply borrow more money. That they don’t have the funds to finance their Utopian fantasies has never stopped them and never will. Even if foreign governments stop lending to the US Government, the government will simply print more money. The dollar will be worthless of course, but little does that matter to our beloved fruitcakes.
It’s too late, my friends. Hoping that the 2010 elections will change things is a wet dream that conservatives indulge themselves in with faint chance of success. Now that the inmates are in control of the insane asylum, it’s liable to remain that way for some time to come. Too many people stand at the head of the hog trough waiting for a hand out of their daily dose of slop from our largess. Unfortunately, a good portion of those seeking government offal are not the truly needy, but members of the elite intelligentsia in government, the news media, private institutions, and think tanks with nothing more to do than empty Nancy Pelosi’s bed pan or hold Barack Hussein Obama’s slop jar and hope that the public doesn’t notice.
It’s too late, my friends, as Peggy Noonan well knows. The chamber pots are all full now and we, the great unwashed plebeians, are about to be anointed with the divine bile of our elite elders. Don a poncho!
With my apologies to think-tankers.
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Papa Ray, I think you and I live about 10 miles apart.
@ 145 marymcl: The other thing I find extremely frustrating (not to mention suspicious) is the stupefying complexity of some of the stuff that comes up on the ballot.
Agreed. In California, the legislature basically died about fifteen years ago, has no guts to do anything, so everything becomes a ballot initiative. But we the voters can’t propose amendments, we have to vote it up or down – wrong process. I vote no on most, abstain on some, and hardly ever find anything to vote yes on.
Annoy Mouse@121 correctly said: “No congress of man has built a more ingenious system of government as written into our constitution and never will. It is a gift and we should use it wisely. It is not a living document. It is an operator’s manual.”
Our system is not broken, its just not being utilized by the people its intended to serve – the citizens. To work properly, our system demands citizen participation. It is designed to be wide open to citizen monitoring and participation. But, in the recent good times, we citizens have found more interesting things to do with our time. We’ve found government to be boring, and we’ve either been happy to assume we could trust those in public office to act in our interests or we’ve assumed they are so corrupt and powerful as to be beyond our reach. Bad assumptions. And we’ve assumed on the media would keep us adequately informed. Another bad assumption.
My guess is that, if we continue on our current path at the current rate at the national level, we will be close to exhausting our design margin by the election of 2020. If that is close to right, Subotai’s “when” is roughly a decade away and we have adequate time to make full use of our operator’s manual over the next few years.
I know from experience that we can as individuals (or small groups of friends) sans party, sans formal organizations, have an influence on a direct and personal level. If we make the effort and use the manual.
Wretchard@79 correctly said “I think the 2nd Amendment prevents real doomsdays … A society which can hold out for a while doesn’t have to turn to a Boulanger in desperation. It gives the local status quo inertia even when the national scene may be in flux.”
The 2nd Amendment is not a doomsday provision. If it were, we would have the right to private ownership of modern “arms” – including mines, mortars, rpgs, C4, etc. Its value is as described by wretchard.
RWE@76 expressed my view of Noonan perfectly and more articulately than I would have.
Quig@4, Doug@53 – thank you for passing on your information.
olde fogey@93 – details, details. Your basic point was well made. Thank you.
149 Sylvia
I’m not the norm here. I have a good mind but a lousy education which I’ve been striving to right; reading BC helps.
I’ll second RagnarD’s advice– keep reading. I’m sure if you tell the BC crowd what subjects interest you most, they’ll be happy to recommend good solid meat-and-potatoes food for thought. Apropos of education– I’m a first-generation-to-go-to-college type myself. My mom and dad both finished high school but neither had the chance to go further. But since I was a bookworm from an early age, they gave me all the books I could handle, and I thrived on those books. I would have kept reading for the love of it even if I hadn’t gone to college. The beauty of online booksellers like Alibris and Amazon is that you can buy lots of books for relatively little expense if you don’t mind secondhand paperback copies. You can feed a hungry mind on a slim budget. If it helps, keep in mind that both Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Jackson were largely self-educated and didn’t worry about what the elites of their period thought about their lack of college degrees.
And please don’t stop posting here– I was a lurker for a long time because I don’t have a military background and assumed (wrongly) that the frequent posters were all career military. As my mom would have said– come on in, the water’s fine!
Re: #159 Konyok:
“You have to be an intellectual to believe such nonsense. No ordinary man could be such a fool.”
George Orwell
And then there’s this:
“The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition. Thus we have two great types–the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins. He admires them especially by moonlight, not to say moonshine. Each new blunder of the progressive or prig becomes instantly a legend of immemorial antiquity for the snob. This is called the balance, or mutual check, in our Constitution.”
G.K.Chesterton [1924]
There is much one could say here to qualify GK’s remarks…getting things right is usually accomplished by those who embody some significant quotient of paradox in their character, e.g. Thomas Jefferson, the egalitarian slave holder; Winston Churchill the soused bulwark of the West seeking his father’s denied approval; or Jesus, (both fully God and fully man) recipient of Good Deed award of the ages; or a confederation of Quixotes and serendipity (or Providence). Vanishingly rare is the exceptional character of an Abraham Lincoln, an intellect, a voice and a virtue hard to find a comparable example in our times…but also receiving the Good Deed award ahead of time.
I guess all we can do is keep up the conversation, and keep trying to find ways to neither make the obvious mistakes over again, nor enshrine old ones and deceive ourselves that the work of liberty and vigilance is done.
Wretchard@79 said “I think the 2nd Amendment prevents real doomsdays
I’d like to agree with what wretchard said there, that a few guns provide at least a speed bump to changes, some hysteresis, to the system. If so, I’d like to point out how lucky we are because more of the same – say, where the population does all have automatic weapons, RPGs, and more – does not seem stable, either.
First: No elected official should be allowed to draw any government retirement check that pays more that social security. Specifically their pay as an elected official is used to compute to their social check when they reach eligibility for social security.
Second: lawyers are members of the judicial system. I believe that they should be barred (no pun intended) for any elected office except Attorney General. Thus no lawyers in congress; this would include local mayors, etc., no lawyers allowed because they are already members of one branch of government.
Judges should serve until they get more no votes than yes votes in the appropriate (Federal local, etc.)election.
The 2nd, 10th and 14 amendments need to be enforced. Guns are legal everywhere. Misuse of guns however carry strict penalties including prompt trials and death for their misuse.
@160 Storm-Rider
“Your fear of “the mob,” which is in fact “We the People,” is an elitist view; it is at its heart the very core of anti-American thought. The majority must rule, but when laws derived from the majority are constrained by the Declaration (no violations of the individual’s sacred unalienable rights are allowed) and Constitution (laws must apply equally to all regardless of “class”) “mob rule” is squashed.”
Disagree there. If that is elitist, then so were the Founders (of whom Thomas Jefferson was but one, btw). What makes our Bill of Rights unique is the fact it protects the individual from the government, which in our system is the collective Power of “We the People”. The Founders understood that pure democracy was reactionary and unstable, that governing required an executive oversight, and that final arbitration of Constitutionality had to be removed from politics. It makes no sense to complain about activist judges (and rightfully so) but then propose to fix the problem by turning the Court’s function over to Congress, which is politically activist in both its nature and its function. You are proposing to give Congress more power than the other two branches, but experience seems to indicate it’s much easier to bribe or corrupt a member of Congress than any other member of the government.
The Founders know what they were doing when they set this show in motion. As is evidenced by the fact we have the longest running and most stable Republic on earth. We tinker with that design for the sake of the political passions of the moment at our peril.
OMG! It has begun.“RINO Season Opens With a Bang ”SCOZZAFAVA SUSPENDS CAMPAIGN!
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/10/scozzafava-suspends-campaign/
Did she do it out of spite or for the benefit of the Democrat opposition? Stay tuned folks.
Rock @ 161 –
Thank you for your service. My father was a Marine fighter pilot (and disabled vet, who, when I as a wee kid asked what the “DV” on his license plate stood for, answered, “Dumb Varmint”), but everyone knows the NCOs run the military. (I learned that from Sgt. Saunders.) So good on ya.
But I do have to disagree, respectfully, with the “it’s too late” assessment. There is no way of knowing that for sure unless one is omniscient; and, despite the impressive brain power assembled here, I haven’t yet found anyone on BC who is. It may or it may not be too late. But acting like it is, is a sure-fire way to push things a lot closer in that direction.
This is not to say that the odds we currently face are not daunting, and quite possibly worse in many ways than what Americans have ever faced before outside of one or two other existential crisis points in our history. You correctly observe that the 2010 elections, even should they go overwhelmingly in the conservative direction, would not be and could not be a one-time fix. There are too many systemic problems to be addressed. A forty-year war has been waged against Constitutionalism, traditional morality and patriotism in this country. (Some would say a hundred-year war; only the last forty have been hot.) We aren’t going to get out of the woods in one, two, or even three election cycles … but giving up could well seal the deal on national suicide in that same amount of time.
“Never, never, never, never give up.” Worked for Churchill. Could work for us, too. Just maybe.
marymcl,
It boils down to who ultimately gets to make the law. The Founding Fathers, particularly Thomas Jefferson, said that “We the People” (through Congressional lawmaking) are the final arbiters of law. It is so simple, and the logic is so pure as to go unnoticed: If five people on the Supreme Court are able to strike down the laws of Legislatures; or more importantly, undo the self-evident meaning of our Bill of Rights (defense of our sacred unalienable human rights to life, liberty and private property), “We the People” must have the power to strike down the Supreme Court (through our elected representatives) and thereby remain the final arbiters of American law. As it stands the Supreme Court has an excess of power.
“The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.” Thomas Jefferson
“But the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional, and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action, but for the legislature and executive also, in their spheres, would make the judiciary a despotic branch.” Thomas Jefferson
“The Constitution, on this hypothesis, is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they may please (The “Living” Constitution).” Thomas Jefferson
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution (into a “Living” Constitution).” Abraham Lincoln
The “Living” Constitution is a dead Constitution; it plays into the hands of our Marxists who must have an arbitrary law (of a minority) to usher in their self-serving schemes of class struggle (social engineering projects of economic equalization through un-Declarational property confiscation and un-Constitutional property redistribution.) The only living Constitution is the one our Founders actually wrote – the one which draws its breath of life from the amendment process.
marymcl: “What makes our Bill of Rights unique is the fact it protects the individual from the government, which in our system is the collective Power of “We the People”.
But marymcl; who protects us from the Supreme Court when it now has the power to review laws which enter into the sphere of our Declarational rights to life, liberty and private property – laws which have direct bearing on our Bill of Rights? The ACLU intentionally targets certain laws which it then advances to the Supreme Court with the aim of undoing our Bill of Rights. Why in God’s name can’t people understand what is happening? Have we become so brainwashed and fogged (by the government schools, mass media and entertainment) as not to see this self-evident truth?
“We the People” is a sick joke if we can’t in fact defend our sacred human rights – as final arbiters of American law.
Rent the movie Braveheart. The English have invaded once again. It is the battle of Stirling bridge. Scot “leaders” are just using the common folk as a bargaining chip to get better terms for surrender. William Wallace arrives on the scene. The English seem to have overwhelming force. The men start to flee. Gibson makes the most compelling passionate cry to fight for freedom. On you tube at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Reb8fiMBcCk&feature=related
Listen to his words. They ring true today. Will we stand?
This is our battle to fight. Will we fight for freedom?
We face no worse odds than many times in the past. I think of torpedo planes attacking at Midway with no support. Marines abandoned at Guadalcanal by the Navy. Wake Island. Sometimes you lose. But you never give up. This doesn’t mean fight stupid. It means don’t be defeated before you start. Think NY23.
marymcl: “The Founders understood that pure democracy was reactionary and unstable, that governing required an executive oversight, and that final arbitration of Constitutionality had to be removed from politics.”
I’m not proposing a pure democracy; only a rational means to preserve our Constitutional Republic. What is to keep our “executive oversight” from becoming a Supreme class of un-checked, often arbitrary, law-deciding rulers – the Supreme arbiters of American law (and thereby the ultimate arbiters of our sacred human rights)? It appears to me the transition from executive oversight to executive rule is well advanced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODJfwa9XKZQ
Josh@166 said “I’d like to point out how lucky we are because more of the same – say, where the population does all have automatic weapons, RPGs, and more – does not seem stable, either.”
Automatic weapons are legal now, but must be registered. With about a quarter million in private hands, there have been two instances of abuse of such weapons since 1934. One of the two was by a police officer, who was sentenced to 18 years in prison for his crime. Clearly the current controls are adequate. Based on the record with full-automatic weapons, one can envision safe and stable implementation of the 2nd as the Founders intended, perhaps with additional safe storage criteria for mines, mortars, explosives, and such.
However, that is another issue for another day. I think you and I are in agreement with Wretchard@79 on the basic point here.
The only way we will rid ourselves of the corrupt parasites in government is to kill them, their enablers and their supporters. Sooner or later it will come to that if Americans really, really want to be free.
I’m not full of hope about that, though. The great majority of people are content to be ruled, and there will come a time when it won’t be possible to overthrow a brutal corrupt government.
It has happened time and again in other places, and it most certainly can happen here.
God willing, it won’t.
marymcl,
If you believe the Supreme Court is removed from politics, then I’d like to discuss the sale of some bridges with you.
JMH/116 is right. Accountability would do wonders for the system we already in place, and accountability is being blocked by an information blackout. For example, inform the townsfolk in any small town what Barney Frank and Chris Dodd have done to their children’s futures, and those two would be unable to walk down the street. Inform people of the writings and sayings of Maurice Strong, and that he and Al Gore became business partners in the climate fear biz back before Gore was elected VP, and that Strong founded the IPCC in 1988 and gave it its marching orders, and bang! no more “cap and trade” to beggar the nation and world (which the mere prospect of is one of the things creating the unemployment rate today). So whence cometh the info blackout –the curtain behind which the thing grows like, well, “The Thing” ? Well, old crazy Ralph Nader was being interviewed a couple days ago –i was in the kitchen brewing a fortieth cup of asphalt but my ‘dunbar number’-sensitized ear caught him on the tv in the next room referring to this whole financial mess being the doings of “a hundred twenty five or so, and not all of them from Goldman Sachs”.
to hold that the only thing wrong is that we the people have settled for being in the dark for a decade too long, is to answer how it came to be, because the communists and anti-marketists will always be very active (for all the reasons we all now savvy, starting with Sorosian “we demand your gold, and maybe your food-producing areas” and ending with Sophomorian “we demand social justice!”) and over time will do things like take over your nation.
That’s why items such as the administration declaring war on Fox is an earthquake –as is today’s Dede stepping out of the election and Michael Steele throwing RNC support (and get out the vote machinery) to Palin’s insurgent. We ain’t licked yet, folks –tho the financial notes the commies of DC are signing us to by the hour and day –may make our eventual political restoration a little dreary and strained for a few score years. We still have our “story” intact, tho –one thing good about the obamanoids being such a radical departure, is that they are so obviously such a radical departure.
Automatic weapons are legal now…
OK, what’s the proper term, full-auto AK-47s, M-16s, empty the clip in full auto in three seconds, etc aren’t street legal anywhere, are they?
Single-shot auto (and with small clips) is legal, in most if not all jurisdictions. I mean hey, a six-shooter is full-auto in that regard!
I’m sure I could swing a dead cat most locations in the country (outside of San Francisco) and hit three people who have full-auto military weapons hidden in the garage, but that doesn’t make them legal.
So who do you expect to be shooting?
Better to make sure that the military and police are supportive of constitutional government. If they turn, all is lost. Besides, they’re our neighbors!
I’d think the worry would be some of the Federal agencies like ATF and FBI making targeted grabs – the knock on the door in the middle of the night. They couldn’t do that without local police knowledge and acquesence. Hence control of local police is being contested today. See the sheriff of Maricopa County as one recent example.
You may purchase and own a fully automatic weapon if you are willing and able to withstand the background check and pay the government fee.
You can also learn how to effectively use an AR-15 and not consume 30 rounds of 5.56 without hitting anything. It’s all a matter of regular training.
Leifmeister:
I vigorously disagree. A society is only as strong as its citizenry (as a whole). The United States is based on that principle.
She blew her credibility on support for President Won last autumn. And downright meanness toward Sarah Palin. Apparently I find those two events unforgivable because every time I see her name now I want to smack her face. I hope she’s being invited to all the finest dinners with all the insiders she so dearly covets, though.
ScenarioAa:
I agree except for the event horizon. We don’t have ten years. We have at most two or three (and we may not have that many).
marymcl:
The Founders did indeed believe that pure democracy was mob rule. Their remedy for that was elected government, not rule by elites.
Some Founders believed in rule by elites, but that view was not enshrined in our Constitution.
Eggplant:
Under the general theme of “getting ready in case the excrement hits the impeller” I have a recommendation relative to your household and guns.
I would buy a 1960’s vintage Indian made Enfield rifle in .308 caliber. It is a bolt operated magazine fed rifle that uses the common NATO 7.62MM round. While made in the 60’s, it is in the pattern of the WWII vintage Enfields and looks quite antique, which belies its capability.
Aside from the fact it takes a common and very deadly round, the rifle is built so solidly that should you confront an intruder armed with only a knife you can cheerfully beat him to death with it. It is the best club I can imagine and it also can take a bayonet, and, of course, has the capability to go “Bang” with considerable authority.
For having little kids around it s going to be too big, too heavy, and too complicated to operate for them to take to school if they have issues with a bully. It is antique-looking, so you can hang it on the wall over the fireplace. And you can have the magazine loaded, located separately and ready to pop into it within seconds.
Also, the 7.62 round is available in the form of plastic training ammo that is deadly out to 100 ft or so and harmless beyond that. Good for inside the house use – you will not shoot at burgler and have it penetrate the wall and kill your wife. And you can also put in copper jacked standard ammo and shoot right through most cars.
And it is cheap. Not made in England in WWII and thus has little collector value. I bought two of those rifles to give to friends with kids and no guns in the house ten years ago for about $110 each.
As for actually getting the rifles to my friends, well, I won’t go into what happened when I tried to check them as baggage on an airliner.
Time to retire Davos Man and the Washington-Wall Street-Ivy League Axis.
I thought the whole idea of freedom is that we’re responsible for figuring things out for ourselves. Refusal to do the heavy lifting of freedom leads, inevitably, to demands for ‘answers’ from ‘leaders’. Then, it’s a short walk to serfdom. They steal from us and enslave us with debt only to the extent we allow them legitimacy. It’s really up to us.
We lead ourselves. Or maybe we’ve forgotten.
Josh@179 asks: “OK, what’s the proper term, full-auto AK-47s, M-16s, empty the clip in full auto in three seconds, etc aren’t street legal anywhere, are they?”
As I indicated above, about a quarter million full-auto (empty the magazine with one squeeze if you don’t mind ruining your barrel by overheating) weapons are legally registered. So, the answer is “yes.
What a great read this thread has been. I’ve been lurking for…well, since I first read Wretchard’s brillant “Magnolias by the Euphrates” way back in 2004 and caused my 1st post. With regards to the thread the following quotations seem apt:
“Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.” Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, Query 19, 1781
“It’s not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what’s required.”
Winston Churchill
Thanks again Wretchard for the forum for such a great learning experience.
Storm Rider -
Well hold your horses, sir, I didn’t say the Supreme Court was entirely removed from politics, only that it’s supposed to be. I’m just not convinced that the way to avoid activist judges (I think we agree that is the goal here) is to make them campaign for office every few years. I’ve only time for a fly-by here, but I think our main difference of opinion is that you see Congress as the solution and I see it (at least as presently constituted) as the driving force behind the problem. Look at what they did with every last one of Bush’s appointees. Look at what they did to Robert Bork. I don’t have a problem with the size of the Court. But so long as Congressional factions can hijack any attempt to staff the bench with jurists who mean to uphold and defend the Constitution in favor of their own partisan hacks, it won’t matter how often you turn it over.
I’m open to the idea of term limits for Congress but I’m sceptical when it comes to the Court. That’s an area where age and experience count for a lot more. The fact is any fool can run for Congress, or the White House for that matter, and plenty do. Obama’s certainly blazed a trail for the useless among us.
And now I really have to go – my son and daughter-in-law are taking me out for supper. Hopefully the conversation will still be going later.
I never realized the children in “Pied Piper of Hamelin” inspired the Eloi in “Time Machine.” Thank you, Professor, I wouldn’t have put those two together, but now that they are together, they have merged.
In the end the gay parade of capering children enters a dark cavern and the entrance shuts behind them.
You gotta pay the Piper, as the saying goes. Like Hamelin’s entranced children, H.G. Wells’ Eloi marched irresisting, mindlessly. In today’s America, while millions of people do act like childish Eloi(D.), a majority of Americans are not children and that certainly wasn’t ONE MILLION Eloi with me at the Capitol on 9/12/09 in the Taxpayer’s March on Washington.
I gotcher Hope and Change right here, comrade. You using the government to steal from me is still stealing from me. Capiche?
189. Austringer:
Jefferson’s wisdom works for debt:
Bubble? What Bubble?
mariner@184 said “I agree except for the event horizon. We don’t have ten years. We have at most two or three (and we may not have that many).”
First, note my use of the word “guess”
Second, I picture the event horizon as involving an 1860s type of election. I don’t see that in 2012. Perhaps in 2016 if things go really really wrong, increasingly possible as 2020 approaches assuming that current trends continue.
Third, I have some very specific ideas for immediate political actions within our current system. I don’t propose waiting a week. I don’t see trying to spell these out this late in this thread, but I would recommend the same near-term actions regardless of whether the event horizon is 2 or 10 years distant.
Halloween Horror
Storm-Rider
I think that you and several others who have proposed “fixes” to our current system have not given sufficient consideration to possible unintended consequences of the changes you propose.
Your proposal would place enormous power in the hands of Congress. At the core of your argument is your assumption that, because a 2/3 majority is very hard to come by, this enormous power would not be abused.
But, what if your assumption is in error? What if a 2/3 majority is trivially easy to come by, assuming one is sufficiently ruthless?
We need look no further back in history than 4 days to find an example which puts your assumption in question.
Four days ago, the young nephew of the acting President of Honduras was found murdered, execution-style, hands bound, many bullet wounds. Immediately after, it was announced that an agreement had been struck with Zelaya for his restoration to the Presidency – following months of deadlock.
Our congress persons are very soft targets for this kind of hard-edged negotiations. I doubt it would take the expenditure of very many members of the extended families of congress persons to get a 2/3 vote on almost any issue you want.
marymcl: “I didn’t say the Supreme Court was entirely removed from politics, only that it’s supposed to be. I’m just not convinced that the way to avoid activist judges (I think we agree that is the goal here) is to make them campaign for office every few years.”
I didn’t propose that the Supreme Court should hold office by election. Term limits make as much sense for this leg of the stool as it does for the other two legs, and for the same reason.
ScenarioA,
Supreme Court Judges can be just as easily coerced through violence (or threats of violence) as Congressmen and Senators; and since there are only 9, the job would be far simpler from a practical and logistical standpoint.
Congress is the stool leg which comes closest to the people themselves. Why do you suppose the Founding Fathers chose a representative body to create our laws in the first place? The reasoning is self-evident.
Marbury v. Madison established the precedent of Supreme Court Judicial review; i.e.: the power to strike down laws as un-Constitutional, but that power was self-declared. It follows directly from this power that, based on specific case decisions of un-Constitutionality (cases carefully selected by the ACLU), the Supreme Court is now master of our sacred human rights to life, liberty and private property; they have the power to decide away our Bill of Rights. If this is not excessive power, then our discussion breaks down. Excessive Judicial power; like Thomas Jefferson predicted, has become the main source of injustice in American government. American government now owns the right of the individual to his/her private property (pursuit of happiness) in the self-serving quest for property redistribution in return for votes (Marxist class struggle); government which has become the enemy of our unalienable human rights. Freedom of speech, press, assembly and self-defense are up next; and I you must know that the most precious human right of all is the final step in the slow and incremental process of tyranny. I fear the Supreme Court far more than Congress; our Bill of Rights can be stealthily decided away by the former without arousing the notice or opposition of a gullible and uninformed public, but I believe the latter would never have the courage to take on the American people in a frontal assault against our sacred rights.
At the writing of our Constitution Marbury v. Madison had not occurred, and was not anticipated (with the possible exception of Thomas Jefferson). Now that the Supreme Court has accrued sufficient power to destroy our Bill of Rights; it is time (it is far past time) for an amendment which restores the balance in favor of defending our Bill of Rights, i.e.: 2/3 Congressional override (just as it is for Presidential veto override). The amendment should also provide for term limits.
Current events illustrate this argument directly:
Wretchard: “Nicaragua’s Supreme Court issued a ruling (arbitrary law from “We the Judges”) permitting the Marxist Ortega to run for a second term after he and a group of allied mayors petitioned them, overruling a one-term limit in the (Living) constitution.”
http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/10/29/another-turn-of-the-wheel/
re: 154 “all the best angles have swords”. I disagree. They have trumpets. See Revelations Chapter 8.
Scenario A,
I look forward to the day (at 57 years old I may not last that long) when the Supreme Court strikes down a law because it is un-Declarational; i.e.: striking down any law which destroys our unalienable rights to life, liberty and private property / pursuit of happiness – a needed form of judicial review. The 3/5 clause of Article I, Section 2 was overturned by the Civil War (400,000 casualties plus 600,000 deaths) followed by the thirteenth and fourteenth amendments; wouldn’t it be better for the Supreme Court to nip un-Declarational laws in the bud? I can envision the day when Congress becomes a great defender of the Constitution and Bill of Rights through 2/3 override, while the Supreme Court additionally defends the Declaration, thereby providing just counterbalance against Congress.
“Law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.” Thomas Jefferson
Josh: I’m far from an expert, but that alone seldom keeps me from risking terrifying velocities, so here goes:
Fully automatics will, when the trigger is depressed, empty their ammunition feed if that trigger is kept depressed, stopping only when empty or the trigger is released.
Fully automatic weapons, silencers, rifles with barrels < 16" and shotguns with barrels < 18" are variously classified as Class 3 or AOW "Any other weapon". All class 3 weapons and "destructive devices" are required federally registered, since 1933(?). These devices are registered to an owner, starting with their manufacturer. To own one you would submit the proper forms and 200.00, per device, to the ATF, when permission is granted you would then take possession of said devices. Not all states permit class 3 ownership to private individuals. A silencer is a device and it is serialized and registered just the same as the Glock 18 it's threaded onto.
Now my personal take… you are obsessing on trivial things. The left and many novices fixate on "assault weapons"… ridiculous. Your granddaddy's old side by side 12 gauge will win about any staring contest you might ever care to have. Full automatics don't work in real life like they do in the movies. Aside from making a great deal of noise, they are in fact harder to use properly than their semi-automatic versions (one shot per each pull of the trigger, or auto-loaders). Class 3 firearms are the hobby of wealthy individuals, my current knowledge has the entry level stuff at 4K or thereabouts, we'll use a M-10 in .45 as an example. A semi auto MPA .45 pistol can be had for around 350.00. Same weight, same ammo, same magazines…. it only shoots once per pull of the trigger.
There is a LOT of info to be had on a series of forums called The Firing Line. Go ask your questions… they’re very patient and have a deep knowledge pool.
Also, if you’re unfamiliar with the use of firearms and would like to explore their function and application some more, I’d recommend looking up The Appleseed Project. Go to one near you if you’re curious, you don’t have to own a firearm to attend. The red necks will not eat, harm, harangue or make you blow bubbles with beef jerky. In fact I’d recommend one of these events to everyone, even you crusty old salts… if you’re as good as you remember then they could use you there to teach us newbies and they give a nice history lesson during the event as well.
195. ScenarioA:
OK make me Google.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081029061508AADbqDy
OK, are legal in some states, if manufactured before 1986, yada yada.
More than I thought, anyway.
(and I’ll still bet there are more illegal ones than legal)
Thanks.
re: 195 & 196
Storm-Rider and marymcl, Congress already possesses a little-known enumerated power which gives them the means to rein in the Judiciary without resorting to a 2/3rds vote amendment. They just don’t use it because all three branches have evolved an elaborate shell-game masquerading as “checks and balances” which allows them to evade accountability.
Specifically, with regards to the Judiciary, the Constitution authorizes the Congress to determine and set the limits and boundaries of jurisdiction of all subordinate federal courts. They can, quite literally, tell the courts that certain issues are out of their jurisdiction.
With regards to SCOTUS, they have the power of impeachment and removal of justices, of adding additional justices (a la FDR), or of reducing the number of justices. While they can’t specifically limit the jurisdiction of SCOTUS, since the Constitution itself limits the SCOTUS to an appellate role, by controlling the lower federal courts the Congress could effectively “turn off the spigot” if they wished. Of course, if Congress started exercising this enumerated authority to rein in the courts the “message” would be communicated “really fast”, the federal courts would begin to fall into line, and the need for Congress to exercise this power would diminish. The “check and balances” are already there, just as the Founders structured it.
However, the downside of this outcome is that the people would see that their Congress-critters really do have the power and would hold them accountable. Thus, while Congress has the Constitutional power to bring the courts to heel if they wished, they will never do it because the courts give both them and the Executive branch cover to enact agendas the people oppose and then escape accountability for rolling back those agendas whenever the peasants (er, people… /g) revolt and start to push back.
We have all watched over and over, on countless issues, as our own “good guy” Congressmen or Senators told us “Well, I’m personally against (x,y or z) but our hands are tied by ‘the courts’. However, if you’ll re-elect me I promise I’ll fight this to the bitter end… /sarc”
This diabolical scam and perversion of the Constitution’s function, all while appearing to operate by it in a grotesque parody of the Founder’s intent, has allowed all three branches, Executive, Judicial and Legislative to effectively sever themselves from accountability to the people. As long as they can keep us entertained by the show, they’ll continue to do as they please. They like things just the way they are.
Incidentally, if you study the writings of the Founding Fathers they clearly state that the Supreme Court was the most inferior of the three federal branches. They never intended for it to have the scope of power it currently possesses, and they would be amazed and appalled.
ScenarioA, on the matter of Honduras, your characterization of the terms of the agreement is somewhat incorrect. It stated that Zelaya agreed to submit his request for reinstatement to the Honduran Supreme Court and after they rule on it the Honduran legislature would decide (this would be the same legislature which ordered the army to remove Zelaya in the first place). Granted, the Obama regime may have bought-off or threatened the Honduran court and legislature and Zelaya may yet realize his dream of becoming President for Life, but that it not what the agreement which was signed stated. Time will tell.
Regarding the murder of his nephew, there is no evidence as yet that this was politically motivated (Honduras has an appallingly high murder rate due to drugs and other crimes, etc.), but even if it was it did not produce an agreement which restored Zelaya. Your scenario of threats to the families of Honduran officials is so far just conjecture. As before, time will tell – in Latin America violence is often resorted to more quickly. Honduras may yet fall – the worldwide Left seems determined on it. However, there are plenty of alternative scenarios in which this might be effected, and from all appearances Zelaya’s support among the Honduran people is weak. They may fight back. At least in the US it’s not necessary to threaten the families of our members of Congress – it’s much easier to simply buy them… /g
Coupled with today’s incentives to wallow in global psycho-pathologies like “global warming,” this sudden rise were seeing in Gold’s fortunes is, well, propitious.
The meso-American cultures revered gold. It was moulded into priestly paraphernalia, court displays and personal accessories for the rich. Mayan expeditions traded for the metal as far north as Colorado. The malleable metal was adored and fetish-ized, and, just as a reliance on oil exports can be blamed for much of the corruption we see in modern, single commodity petro-economies like in Iran and Saudi Arabia and Venezuela and Nigeria, Gold’s dearness to Mayan culture, especially its priestly castes, influenced the form and expression and the collapse of at least one American culture already.
I write this to say, we should watch out for its effects on us, and to segue to my real point. Mel Gibson’s movie, Apocalypto, has been on my mind a lot lately: recall the horrific sacrifice-scene on the top of the steep pyramid, where the Mayan priest/politician tears-out the beating hearts of his serial sacrifices, and where the solar eclipse magically, ridiculously, occasions his regime to claim propitiation for having apparently banished an astronomically-predictable darkness. And recall that an adorned director, resplendent in Quetzal plumage and with his shoulder to the thirsty crowds, sits off to one side of the ceremonial blood-letter – the puppeteer is shrewdly just offstage, manipulating both the executioner and his insane mumbling priest. It is this ensemble of body-language, decorative credentials and horrible, institutionalized blood-letting presented in Gibson’s animation, and its abundant analogs in our globe’s current political discourse, that irk.
Wretchard wrote recently that Obama needs to “consume.” Who can’t agree with that…that’s what Obama’s income distribution is all about. I am paraphrasing when I say, Wretchard is stating that the Obama’s administration “needs Sacrifice.” That it needs “to feed.” In order for him to succeed for his off-stage directors, Obama needs to manually redistribute wealth, and on a global scale. His presidency is riding on his enacting a primitive blood-rite. And, signs are, he’s been busily erecting all the courtly trappings.
Which is why, I guess, Mel Gibson’s lucid depiction of an historic Mayan sacrificial ceremony has been pokin’ me in the brain a lot ever since I read Wretchard’s screed. The White House has already made serial calls for Americans to “sacrifice” in its daily press-briefings. We are told we need to “cut back.” To our Energy Czar we are misbehaving “teen-agers.” According to global media organs Americans are grossly “obese.” According to the “Green” parties around the world, Americans burn “too many” fossil fuels. And Cuba’s government now says we are net swine-flu importers, which makes all of us with US passports just one step up from the swine itself: “oink, oink, piggy, piggy American.” A chorus of foreign and domestic media bull-horns stand poised to trumpet these dehumanizing slurs with a queer synchronicity, their scolds conspiring to advocate subtly for our sterilization, strangulation, starvation, and if you’re over forty-five and don’t pay taxes, for your humane culling.
There’s no doubt, a chiseled rationale for bleeding our republic, one that is buttressed compellingly by scores of cross-reinforcing psycho-social props, is emerging as a dominating global narrative. So, thinking in line with Gibson’s film, and guessing at the mind of our modern politician/priests, I’m stuck looking for the eclipse, or “crisis,” planned or not, that will propitiate the Leviathan sufficiently so that it will end its horrible ritual. What fateful crisis, what staged “eclipse” will occur to coincide with which of Obama’s civil-service, “8th Army”-style campaigns? Which of his administration’s reactionary gesticulations will be awarded post hoc the laudatory caul of “solution.” Will it be “Cap-and’-Trade,” or “Obamacare,” or “engagement?” What accolade, which achievement, what purchase, what sacrifice will sate the beast and cause it to let us go? And afterwards…to what degree will Americans’ “sacrifices” (lost jobs, lost soldiers, lost freedoms, lost autonomies) in chase of his blind solutions go uncounted, deliberately denied their due notoriety in the popular media accounts? In Gibson’s movie-account, when the harvested sacrifices were no longer needed they were used for target practice, treated no better than stray dogs. Which only suggests at an answer to that depressing last.
I feel better for having shared this creepy comparison with my BC cohorts, and for not having mentioned 12/12/12, not even once, in the entire screed (it’s just another numerological buttress for the accruing global hallucination, if you ask me). If you get the chance soon, rewatch Apocalypto with an eye to catching its iconic tips to today’s modern sacrificial lexicon, and see if you don’t see the ritualistic analogs that I see. One can’t stress it enough that the 2010 elections will be a watershed moment in American history, so, if a franchise ever mattered, ours certainly will come November next.
An OT note to investor-heads like Leo and Buddy, and to those in the gold-game: Gold prices are closely tracking crude oil prices. Looks like a black, viscous commodity is competing for global proxy-currency status with gold. Reason could be, folks are only now discovering what Norway, Russia and Saudi Arabia already knew: when it comes down to it, you’ve got to burn oil to keep/get the gold.
Links:
(1)Commodity Online Article
(2)Marketwatch Article
-Steve
tharkun,
Thanks for your input. I still pray for the day when the Supreme Court will strike down law as un-Declarational, because securing our unalienable human rights is the primary purpose of government – according to the Declaration of Independence. We get so caught up in laws and legalisms that their purpose is forgotten.
Sacred unalienable human rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness (private property honestly earned) must be secured by rational/secular law which derives from the informed consent of the governed; all else ends with injustice and tyranny – casus belli.
202. Storm-Rider:
Appreciate the comment, but I fear any change will have to be imposed from outside. The current establishment will never reform or give up any power willingly.
I do need to make a correction from my previous post #200. My comment about Congress having the power to limit the jurisdiction of the inferior federal courts was not correctly stated. That power is not explicitly enumerated. It derives from the enumerated power of Congress to establish (and dis-establish) those courts inferior to the SCOTUS. It would be the threat of actually doing away with an inferior court which would be the hammer they could wield, in addition to impeachment of justices. It would be a brute-force type of tactic, but it would work. My apologies to all for my clumsy explanation of my point.
I just heard about DearPolitician.org. I don’t know if I can post links here, but I’ve given you all you need.
Hugh,
… AND as long as you don’t live in Washington state. But you’re right about aimed fire. Does it annoy me we have this prohibition? Sure. But do I feel the lack of not actually being able to own one? My budget sure doesn’t!
RWE,
If you don’t feel like going into what happened with you travelled with your gift rifles, fine. But somebody should point out that, in general, air travel with unloaded firearms in check luggage is perfectly legal and generally not a problem, as long as it’s legal to possess at both ends of your trip.
You all are the best! You’re terrific (yes, you really are). May I snark a bit, now?
Just two of ‘em:
1. The word is “inalienable.”
2. When you turn Constitution into an adjective, you do not capitalize it. The same is true of Congress. Examples:
“We were talking about a constitutional crisis.”
“The congressional committees’ hearing dates have not yet been announced.”
Just what you wanted, right, another editor coming around with her red pencil again, right?
Storm-Rider@196 and 198.
I appreciate your objective. Its the means to get there which bothers me.
You said: “Supreme Court Judges can be just as easily coerced through violence (or threats of violence) as Congressmen and Senators; and since there are only 9, the job would be far simpler from a practical and logistical standpoint.”
I respond: Numerically you have a point, but the data show that courts have been far more able to resist thuggish pressure than legislatures. Take Pakistan, for an example. The last Pak President lost his job and destabilized the country when he took on the Supreme Court there. Our SC is relatively transparent, and it would be difficult if not impossible to disguise actions based on threats via legal arguments. No one is surprised, on the other hand, when Congress plays opaque politics. The threats could far more easily be hidden.
In addition, it seems to me that this is a bad time to be proposing such a major shift of power to Congress, with Reid and Pelosi only 8 votes short of the 2/3 vote threshold.
You said: “Marbury v. Madison established the precedent of Supreme Court Judicial review; i.e.: the power to strike down laws as un-Constitutional, but that power was self-declared.”
I respond: Yes, that power was self-declared and Marbury was a very messy case. However, (1) there is not a word in the constitution which suggests to the mildest degree that the power declared in Marbury was in any way at odds with the Constitution, and (2) in Federalist 78, Hamilton anticipated such a power with the well known checks and balances argument.
See paragraphs 11 and 12 at http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Federalist_Papers/No._78
Based on these two points, it seems to me that the SC would have assumed its current role in another case had it not done so in Marbury. Hence we can set aside all the messy details in Marbury when discussing the broader issue.
Bottom line: I share your concern. Its your suggested remedy which bothers me.
bogie wheel @ 170
Thank you for your kind remarks. I think your father and I would have been fast friends. NCOs run the military? If only. We just make it work. If NCOs actually did run the military, the two conflicts we are in now would have ended years ago, and with a much different outcome than our misadventure in sunny Southeast Asia.
You are right of course, it’s never too late for success. I’m a pessimist and as such I have the luxury of never being disappointed with the outcome or results of events. But if one looks into the not too distant future, the results of our misadventures here at home looks quite dim. And as a pessimist I would naturally say, I hope I’m wrong.
202. Storm-Rider:
One final clarification about Congress vs. SCOTUS. I should do my research first and not try to work from years’ old memories while posting around midnight. Turns out I was on the right track in my first post. Here’s the relevant Constitutional cite:
“Article III – Section 2: In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.”
As the bolded text shows, Congress does have explicitly-stated power over judicial jurisdiction. Now, before I entangle my synapses further, I’m going to call it a night… /g
That’s good stuff, Bonnie/206 –the red pencil is welcome among folks like those around here –fine writers trying to improve at least to the extent of desiring not to deteriorate –why not offer a bit of friendly help? i used to lecture apostrophes until one day i mashed a finger (mistook it for a nail for all practical purposes) and, injured, quit using capital letters as per rules –and found it sorta perversely fun. So naturally i had to quit correcting the apostrophe apostates (of which there are several, including [*cough*] the host, at time’s). Also i was becoming repetitious, plus starting to repeat myself. but apostrophe’s used wrongly still bother’s my eye’s when them encounter they.
steveaz/201; that hallucinatory Arizona sunscape shore came thru on that imagery –jeez –the Apocalypto Aztec heart-rippers as the US Congress –kee-rist –how richly intense –
the end scene, las tres indios on the beach frozen in mid-step rapt at their first sight of the far offshore galleons –the “sea birds” as they saw them –will be us when a new regime heaves over the horizon and comes on to save us or enslave us.
In a war within GOP, the right wins a battle
Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, who was one of Scozzafava’s most prominent supporters, said her experience delivered a message to 2010 candidates and to those considering presidential campaigns in 2012.
“It says that you had better have a willingness to take on the establishment and a willingness to represent conservative values if you’re going to have the energy and the capacity to create a Republican Party that’s able to hold together a coalition,” he said.
Tharkun, ScenarioA
Update on Honduras
“Contrary to press reports, Zelaya is not in any way automatically returned to office by the accord. First, there must be a vote by the entire Honduran congress on whether Zelaya is fit to return to office. Prior to that, the Honduran supreme court, which ruled against Zelaya in June by a vote of 15 to 0, must issue an opinion on the same.”
http://tinyurl.com/yebhcdw
Anyone know a good dealer from whom I can purchase a quality .303 Enfield circa 1960?
Ashen
Although the .303 Enfield is a wonderful firearm, I would stay away from this caliber due to ammunition availability problems. RWE mentioned an Indian .308 Enfield in an earlier post, which is a far more common caliber in normal times (for the past year it has been tough finding any ammunition in any “military” caliber).
Most firearms enthusiasts enjoy helping novices. Ask around and you will find a local hobbyist who will be thrilled to render good advice. Local shooting clubs are excellent resources. Join a local club because you’re going to need some range time. Good luck.
Peggy Noonan is part of the broken elite. She’s an insufferable, windbag who is enamored with herself and her words. I haven’t read her for years.
Thanks Lugh. I will certainly take your advice.
Peggy Noonan is either afraid to speak the truth or she just doesn’t get it. (Either way, I agree with #216. She is an “insufferable windbag.”)
The truth is that Obama, as a disciple of Saul Alinsky, has set out to destroy the middle class, capitalism, and every freedom the country was founded upon, as he returns the country to “its rightful owners.”
And, the Republicans have either bought into the idea that the world “workers’ revolution” is either inevitable and they want to hold onto any power being part of the ruling elite might entail, or they have become the absolutely clueless, “effete snobs” Spero Agnew spoke of in the ’70s.
Besides, have you ever heard Miss Noonan in interviews? She uses bad grammar. (Sorry for the dig, but I just had to get it in.)
210. buddy larsen:
Just a quick note and certainly not a criticism; the words in your last paragraph should read “los tres indios, noun gender being what it is in Spanish and many other languages. I do apologize for being a “red pencil”, borrowing Bonnie’s phrase.
Now to the subject at hand. The real truth is that we, the body politic have engineered our own ruin by voting in the same old players over and over again for years now and we shouldn’t castigate them for their behavior when we are the ones who have rewarded them for bad behavior by continuing to re-elect them on an over 90% rate. I am hoping that the Tea Party events and the recent happenings in NY 23 are an indication that attitudes will change in the voting public but I am not that hopeful as there may be too many in our country, at all income levels, that are dependent on feeding at the government trough. New Jersey’s upcoming election may be the bell-weather on that. I predict that the “welfare class” (rich and poor) will win the election by re-electing Corzine.
Ashen:
I don’t think you will find a 1960′s vintage .303 Enfield. I have one made in the late 30′s I bought at Big 5 Sporting Goods in Santa Barbara for $65 in 1987. There are no more deals like that, but the guns are still pretty cheap. Do a search on line and you will find places – and of course check gun shops and gunshows.
.303 ammo is more easily available than you would think. One reason I bought one was that I noted that even the K Mart in our small town sold it. I found some military surplus .303 later for about 10 cents a round. But .308 would be preferable both in terms of easy availability and types of ammo.
And yes, you can carry unloaded guns in checked baggage but they have to be in a locked case that has to be opened for inspection. Sealing one up so it takes 15 min to get at it like I did won’t do. I bought a lockable carrying case and on one trip to back east one of my friends was able to carry it back as checked baggage. When he asked if it was Okay to take the rifle with him the airline rep started laughing and said “Well, we have a big controversy right now about stun guns but I know of no problem with rifles!”
And I understand that ammo can be carried in your checked baggage as well if properly packaged.
Wonderful commentary and so trenchant in its conclusions. On the little matter of Peggy Noonan – she and others in the print media who are PAID for their opinions and insights are like those who predict the weather or for that matter politicians. Even though they are proven to be so glaringly wrong time after time, they still get paid and they still pontificate. Why? Peggy Noonan had a BIG CRUSH on Obama. After talking about Reagan, gushing, revering, worshipping Reagan in columns and books she falls for a clever cipher. She gobsmacked her readers with her comments about Obama before the election and over time has been trying to coyly and quietly take back any credibility she had left by retreating on her prior opinion. Many of her readers thought she was out to lunch on this one and caught up in the mass hysteria of the moment. We are not paid for our opinions but we were prescient and perspicacious when it came to understanding what this president was all about and what he HOPED to pull over on the starry-eyed public. For me, Peggy Noonan has evinced over the years a far greater love of self and self preservation than she has of anything she professes to regard. No matter what she has written since the initial shock of reading her support for Obama, it will never be enough for me to set aside her calumny and stupidity. How can she seriously think her readers will respect her opinion when on this one, this momentous one, she was so abjectly and profoundly dumb?
Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, who was one of Scozzafava’s most prominent supporters, said her experience delivered a message to 2010 candidates and to those considering presidential campaigns in 2012.
“It says that you had better have a willingness to take on the establishment and a willingness to represent conservative values if you’re going to have the energy and the capacity to create a Republican Party that’s able to hold together a coalition,” he said.
This is just weird. Why is he lecturing us, the non-RINOs? If there’s a lesson from NY23 so far, you would think it would be the thunderously loud lesson for the GOP so-called leadership. How about instead:
“It says that you had better have a willingness to listen to your conservative base and a willingness to represent their values if you’re going to have the energy and the capacity to win elections as a Republican.”
It’s the party that needs to get the message from conservatives, Newt, not the other way around.
There’s some very old govt program to encourage markemanship in the civilian population, particularly the youngsters. There’s even an organization that reconditions M1(?) carbines and sells them along with the ammunition. Does anybody know more about this, particularly the name & url of the organization?
One thing we can do–and it’s a major pain–is make the red states redder by picking up and moving there. We’ll need good neighbors, and they us. Deprive the vampire of his blood. Besides I think life in the blue states will turn nasty, brutish and short those outside the tribe.
As for Noonan, she has been saying this for a while now. Read her famous “A separate peace” article in the WSJ 4 or 5 years ago. That she once knew the truth and then went all spoony over Dear Leader shows her to be a fluent babbler, who from time to time gets it right.
ScenarioA, 207,
I have to admit you have a strong point about who now controls Congress, and whether now is the right time to amend the Constitution granting them 2/3 override. Once Congress is back in the hands of Americans who place our sacred human rights (Declaration of Independence) above everything else (including the Constitution), the time for amendment would be ripe. You are correct – timing is important.
tharkun’s enlightening comments play into to this. Americans don’t realize that Congress already has sufficient power over the lower Federal Courts to “turn off the spigot” of ACLU cases earmarked for Supreme judicial review – with the pre-ordained aim of eroding our Bill of Rights. Since the average American remains in the dark on this, a Constitutional amendment providing for Congressional 2/3 override of Supreme Court would place into the minds of most voting Americans both the need and means for “We the People” to bring a Bill of Rights threatening Supreme Court to heel; they would act on it, and many good Declaration-loving Americans would run for Congress on this basis alone.
So, with the timing issue in mind; this is what needs to be done:
1. Constitutional Amendment which provides for Congressional and Supreme Court term limits. The amendment must also provide Congress with 2/3 override power for Supreme Court decisions so that “We the People” (through our elected representatives) are the ultimate arbiters of secular American Law (and thereby our sacred human rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness) – not “We the Judges.”
2. In the meantime the States must enforce the Tenth Amendment; dismantling un-Constitutional Federal Socialism (Medicare, Obamacare, Social Security, Federal education matching grants to the States, etc.), and replacing them with State programs and corresponding diversion of all Federal Taxes earmarked for these programs to State accounts. It has already been written – so let it be done.
That was awesome. Thank you for being wiling to speak the truth however unpalatable. This is what journalism is supposed to look like, unfortunately you are a dinosaur (no offense intended).
Bless you.
Noonan said:
“This is historic. This is something new in modern political history, and I’m not sure we’re fully noticing it. Americans are starting to think the problems we are facing cannot be solved … from the White House through Congress, and so many state and local governments … they are not offering a new path, they are only offering old paths—spend more, regulate more, tax more in an attempt to make us more healthy locally and nationally. …”
Two things. Folks are realizing that the problems faced cannot be solved through government, not that they cannot be solved.
Second, the new path – the right path – is the old path; or, in Noonan’s apparent chronological reference, older than old.
The answer is less government, and the governed are beginning to finally acknowledge this. The governing are quite resistant to this stripping of import, effect and vitality. Such is the natural reaction, one would suppose.
But “old paths” of “spend more, regulate more, tax more in an attempt to make us more healthy locally and nationally” are not old at all. They are new, and only a couple of generations so. But since even the old among us know nothing else, it seems old within reference frames.
Perhaps we revisit the Constitution, have a public re-examination of Federalism using contemporary language, and contemplate the wisdom of our Founders. Perhaps it is time for a new project. The Federalist Papers v2.0? Or perhaps The Federalist Videos?
The colloquial language, not the difficulty in concept, is what keeps most eyes hazed over when the works of the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and the Federalist Papers come up. But they were in plain contemporary language when written.
#225 stormrider
Your proposal to give the Legislature the ability to override Supreme Court decisions is interesting, but as others have pointed out it does have its dangers.
I would qualify that power by providing that this could be done only when:
1. One of the parties to the case was a governmental entity, and
2. The governmental entity prevailed.
One of the things to understand about this very, very important column of Noonan’s is its progeny.
Noonan was a loyal Reaganite before she become besotted with Obama. Noonan came of age in the 1950′s, and she remembers her father’s generation of responsible men, who suffered under the Great Depression, fought and won a global war against National Socialist Germany and Imperial Japan, and set up the containment field around the Soviet Empire after the great conflict. These were towering men. They knew what to do. This was the generation of Guarnier and Tibbets, LeMay and George Gay. These men confronted issues of life and death, and overcame them.
And they hated the notion of going into debt, because they saw what it did to their neighbors during Hard Times.
It was their profound weakness to have shielded their children from the notion of consequences. They didn’t want their Kids to go through what They Did. So, of course, the Sixties happened as a result, and their children flew from responsibility. The inheritance of the towering generation that moved mountains are the pygmies such as Obama and Bush the Younger today.
We will not be a great nation again until the people themselves produce leaders that create a New Elite, an elite that comes from the rank and file of people that hold true to the values that won the Second World War, the values of duty and steadfastness, courage and honor. No nation can survive without those values, nor should it.
Deja vu all over:
“Im able by means of a secret charm”
Tcobb, 229
Yes, there are dangers in taking action; but as a physician I endlessly have to remind my patients about the danger of not proceeding with a needed (life-saving) diagnostic test, procedure or operation.
What is the risk of not taking action?
In my profession, when life is at stake, the greater risk lies in not taking action.
> Alas! The world has now become so tight knit that there is nowhere to
> go…no Mayflower to climb aboard and sail to a new place and start over
> again….no place to flee from this tyranny!
Mars. Because the moon is too close (you need to be 6 mo. away at least to prevent easy interference).
Maybe we could do another constitution that isn’t so easy to game and “interpret”.
So the solution is to find a leader? We need a new Reagan to blow away Carterism? Maybe Palin?
Don’t think so. It isn’t about leadership. The left was looking for a leader, too, who would articulate and implement their “Star Trek” dream-vision of pointy-eared diversity in the crew, where free food came in tasty pellets from slots in the wall, and money becomes an atavism when the motive is to boldly go where no man has gone before all while obeying the Prime Directive. With free health care. Gah!
They got Obama. When he proves unable to deliver the Star Trek dream, the left will dump him just as soon as they find another who will promise that the Star Trek dream can be made concrete. Because it’s all about the dream.
The conservatives have a dream too, of a world where people must keep their hands off your stuff, and . . . so forth. The right can be just as intellectually vulnerable to lining up behind a dream merchant as can those left. It’s how we are made.
How ’bout we just begin acknowledging that we are involved in civil war, here. Not a hot war but a civil war notwithstanding. Civil wars don’t end if a leader falls. Civil wars end when one side or the other is beaten. This thing isn’t about preventing Obama from implementing health care and inflation and an imperial federal government. It’s about survival. It’s about suppressing the collectivists; it’s about pounding home the fact that one cannot have Star Trek because it doesn’t and can never exist.
The challenge is in figuring out how the left can be beaten in a cold war. ‘Cause if the war turns hot, well, only one side has the guns.
Noonan’s wrong. There IS a path through. It’s called the Constitution of the United States. Let’s just hope we can muster enough civic intelligence to remember that.
Yep, Kirsten. Exactly.
We don’t need a new Constitution. Not here, not on Mars.
The question is whether we treat it as the Document which Constitutes us – as a people and a nation with governance defined – or do we revere it simply as an old relic, a museum piece no better or worse than mummies and dinosaur fossils.
Again, most folks don’t even understand the document, its purpose or its importance. And much of that has to do with language.
The Constitution should be YouTubed, along with a revisiting of the Federalist Papers, and all without actually using the words Constitution and Federalist Papers, executed by young Americans in contemporary conversational language.
If you don’t reach them, then it remains a living breathing whateverIneedittobe document, and governance and leaders will flounder until we don’t recognize what we’ve meandered to. We’re already dangerously close.
“They’ve come to imagine they’ve come into possession of a magic orange. All you have to do is squeeze harder and the juice keeps flowing out.”:
“How ironic it is that some of the same people who conclude that the earth is fragile as a spider’s web, that the human body is a sitting duck for anything synthesized by man, nevertheless see the American economy’s capacity for absorbing ever-higher taxes and regulations as being boundless as the universe.”
–”Science Under Siege” by Michael Fumento
It’s time to face the sad and sordid fact that Jeremiah Wright’s violent, hate-filled “God Damn America” is a mindset and sentiment far more widely shared and deeply felt by those who voted for Obama than we could possibly ever have imagined.
#84 – F:
I am retired Navy – 27 years. National War College ’97-’98. Haven’t commented a great deal.
By nature I am a moderate pessimist. Hope for the best – prepare for the much more likely worst. I have been EXTREMELY impressed with this thread. There is hope for our country, but it is going to get extraordinarily rough for a while.
I admire the common understanding of the problems elucidated here, and take heart at what I have read. But broadly speaking, we seem to be lacking in answers to “how to fix the problems”.
There has been very little of that kind of thinking on practically every other forum I monitor, and I monitor a lot of them.
BC is the obvious exception to my observation that most sites are intent on ‘being in the band on the Titanic’.
While it doesn’t appear to me that many people on BC believe that solutions can be found in working through the system, we need solutions that work, and we need to consider consequences.
Many of us swore an oath to our constitution. In my mind, solutions begin with the Constitution as written.
85. Bonnie: How many of us would participate in a public demonstration in Washington to show our fed-upness? I would. How about you?
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The Left understands very little about the right – but they do understand we seem to be very unwilling to take to the streets.
another_chuck @224
Chuck,
The program that you refer to is the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP). It still exists however the firearms purchase program is sold out year to year, as the semiautomatic surplus military rifles are few and far between since the US military adopted the M-16.
There are firearms available at gun shops, gun shows and online but you will have to cough up a bit more cash. And ammunition in most military calibers is difficult to find as collectors are stashing it away as it becomes available.
If Hoffman wins in NY-23 and it sets off something that catches on ..
Hoffman is as much a symptom of the problem as McCain or Obama, just as much a part of the broken elite. He would not be backed by Club For Growth otherwise. He’s an open-borders McCain clone.
A huge number of Americans are imaginative, determined to survive, and prepared. In the first nine months of the Obama Administration ordinary people bought 17,000,000 guns through dealers and, probably, 10,000,000 more through other legal sources. And they bought up ALL the ammunition on the shelves or in warehouses for the past nine months. The stores have waiting lists. The children of these folks will be the next elite inheriting not Grandfather’s millions but Grandfather’s AR-15 and a case of ammo.
there is not a word in the constitution which suggests to the mildest degree that the power declared in Marbury was in any way at odds with the Constitution
Actually, there is.
1)The Congress has the power to impeach members of the Supreme Court.
2) The “exceptions clause” –
“In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.“
Another Chuck,
Yes, it’s the Civilian Marksmanship Program, which for quite some time now has been a separate (though government-sponsored) entity. They sell M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, M1903 Springfields, and recently have been about the best source of surplus .30-06 ammo. One of the greatest things about buying from them is they ship the rifle directly to you, no FFL involved! (No M14′s, alas–d@mned NFA!)
Federalist 78
“Whoever attentively considers the different departments of power must perceive, that, in a government in which they are separated from each other, the judiciary, from the nature of its functions, will always be the least dangerous to the political rights of the Constitution; because it will be least in a capacity to annoy or injure them. The Executive not only dispenses the honors, but holds the sword of the community. The legislature not only commands the purse, but prescribes the rules by which the duties and rights of every citizen are to be regulated. The judiciary, on the contrary, has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may truly be said to have neither FORCE nor WILL, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm even for the efficacy of its judgments.”
Whatever court this describes it is most certainly not our own Supreme Court, which treats the other branches of government as its underlings and which functions as a non-stop constitutional convention. Our courts are not those which Hamilton envisaged.
None of you get it — right up to #235. Is anyone familiar with the phrase “spiritual wickedness in high places”?
Buddy @ 210,
Yeah…I was channelling gold’s bling the other night, and I wanted to draw out this “sacrifice” thing that’s been buggin’ me. Gibson’s film was a potent one to do it with.
People all throughout history have invented sacrificial rites, and the “ascendent” progressive movement’s enviro-evangelism is rife with ‘em. And, doesn’t today’s retributive social climate provide unusually fertile ground?
Spooky to ponder on the morning after Halloween, huh?
Problem with global hallucinations is time-zones: about the time the high’s wearing off in Paris, the kids’re just startin’ to “roll” in LA. So just as the wrung-out red-eyes are heading for a Xanax and an excedrin PM, the wild-eyes are just entering the daze (Noonan’s the sort, I’d think, who’d “tone-down” with a tall g’n-t, and a quick toke of good grass, then it’s off to her silk sheets and her ergonomic foam pillow).
Surveying the stew of global hype out there, I’m guessing the goal is to get as many grand illusions spinning at different times all around the world, and this way the “party” never needs to end!
The political class, their children, and their retainers, are always protected from the fall. Always.
The guillotined nobility of 18th century France or the massacred/exiled nobility of Tsarist Russia might differ with you on that.
Ashen: Check J&G Sales, AIM Surplus, Southern Ohio Gunworks (SOG) and Centerfire Systems. They’ve all had them in the past.
Ashen, one other thing. If you’re seeking mentors look up The Appleseed Project and attend one near you with your Enfield. Don’t let us rednecks fool you, it’s top notch, practical instruction, done professionally and a history lesson to boot.
That cock on close action will do just fine… I have an Ishapore in .308 and No. 4 that I had converted to 7.62×39. Both are nailers.
Another Chuck #224:
You are referring to the Civilian Marksmanship Program; you can read about it and download the required forms at http://www.odcmp.com.
They sell M-1 Garand rifles and a couple of years ago began selling M-1 Carbines that had been returned to the US, mainly from Italy I understand. I bought one of the M-1 Carbines a year ago, one made in Feb 1943, and while far from new it is a very nice weapon.
The CMP has some specific requirements before you can buy, but if you had a career in the U.S. Military most of those are met automatically.
The CMP is still selling Carbines and Garands but their orders are rather backlogged, and delivery once the order has been accepted takes 2 to 3 months. For some reason in early November 2008 their orders went way up; no one has been able to figure out why.
Good luck with your acquisition efforts!
The ship always goes down steerage first. They’re not going to notice until there’s no point in noticing.
Noonan may never get Sarah Palin. But she is useful by shining a light on the current thinking of the pampered elite. They are losing faith in The One. That’s good news.
“Perhaps a system where votes are weighted by the percentage of EARNED income that the voter pays in taxes…I don’t know”
You would very likely be giving even more power to the elites (Summers, Geithner, all the “Goldmen”) who already own our government, and cutting out the broad middle that still has ownership in this country as envisioned by the FFs.
Another Chuck #224:
If you are lucky enough to live near one of the CMP shipping points you can go there and pick up the gun. Several guys from my department have gone there (I think the nearest one to Detroit is Camp Perry OH)It is a great program and you can get a real peice of history at a discounted price. The folks that work there are pretty helpful for Govt types too.
Steve of OK,
You betcha!
Excellent, Richard …well, “for those who have eyes to see” as the conundrum goes. Thanks.
256. Beth: Mea Culpa… Ileft out one very important word;
“..weighted by the percentage of EARNED income that the voter pays in taxes…”
should read;
“…weighted by the percentage of EARNED income that the voter ACTUALLY pays in taxes…” The elites pay a suprising small amount of the taxes that they are supposed to pay, and there are precious few of them anyways (I would happily trade tripling their votes if I could exclude all the third-generation dole seekers from the voting booth)
Noonan is herself a member of the group she criticizes so harshly in this column. She was an early Obama supporter, probably in order to curry favor with her progressive D.C. cocktail party set. Now, that Obama is failing amongst “middle,” “red-neck,” conservative and independent Americans, she’s having a change of mind and heart, a “metanoia.”
Noonan herself never had to experience the “dark side” of history. That’s fine. You can’t judge someone by the circumstances of his/her birth.
However, there are many Americans who never experienced a totalitarian system but understand it intellectually and in their guts. They somehow know how it is to live and feel as if every act of your life–say, a lovers’ walk in the park at night without an ID or a simple request for toilet paper/bread/milk at your neighborhood store–is possibly illegitimate, even criminal. Your very being is challenged; you are made to feel illegitimate at every step of the way, a hapless peon in the big scheme of the ever promised, and ever deffered commie paradise. There’d be a five-year plan, maybe ten, to get us into communist paradise. As a child, I was really looking for that moment, when we would be a single world, and I could shake hands with kids from Mongolia and Congo and South Africa in the name of “Proletarians of the World, Unite!” and “Long Live the Fight for Peace!”, the imbecile slogan anyone requesting anything from the commie establishment had to attach to his or her signature.
There are very few people, sorry to say, who understand that kind of totalitarian debasement of humanity. Noonan is not one of them. She’s just a cheap opportunist with her finger in the air.
The main solution is simple to me. We stop funding our opposition. SEIU is government employees leveraging there numbers for power for example. We need to be ruthless with government unions and those on the public dime.
The whole Obama coalition is funded by the tax payers. SEIU, ACORN, NEA, ex. Even Soros is getting import-export grants.
We need to cut government back to only those in uniform and ban public sector unions. If you want to get rich start a business and stay out of government.
StormRider 225:
Why?
With Congress in the right hands (no pun intended) there would be no need for amendment.
This thread has been of mixed quality.
While we all understand, with Noonan (finally), that our elites are failing and the struggle for replacement is underway, all the talk of guns is of little point.
The weakness of our Supreme Court in following the Constitution is often repeated and well understood. But how do you change that other than a wholesale electoral victory? How can we get to clean, trustworthy voting again? That 19 year old college kid walking into ACORN with a video camera is accomplishing more NOW than is possible with any of the suggestions posted here.
Again, just who are you planning on shooting? Will you be a lone gunman, a defender of your home, or part of a militia? Who’s your target? The local city cop, the FBI or IRS agent, a union organizer/shop steward, an elected political representative? What do your prospective widow and your prospective orphan children think about that?
Changing public opinion is the crux of the American political problem. Deciding on the best ammo and caliber is fantasy.
BTW, I’m working on conservative political campaigns – not heroic work by any means, just wonkish drudgery.
one of the other posters said:
“You will not rise to the occasion; you will default to your level of training.”
we know what the problem is and we know what the solution is. this is so much like the diet fads we see advertised all the time. lose 900 pounds in just weeks if you buy this product. we didn’t get fat in weeks and it isn’t coming off in weeks without surgery. the problem is those elite kids got handed a sense of entitlement from our educational system and its gonna take some time(years) to retrain them.VDH said cultural drop outs was an option, i say BS. we cannot stay relevant if we don’t stay informed. we can’t have a say with our next generation if we let some one else train them. Hillary Clinton said it takes a village to raise a child, what she didn’t mention is, that village is all related. its not a village in that it is more an extended family. the proper saying is that it takes a family to raise a child. I am not afraid, storm coming? so what this isn’t the first time and it isn’t going to be the last. another poster said:
He rules a country he does not understand and a people with whom he has never broken bread, accordingly his only option will be to break them once his thin patina of charm wears off. i remember the old folks and what they did to survive the depression. we ain’t gonna break that easy.
Gary O wrote:
Noonan may never get Sarah Palin. But she is useful by shining a light on the current thinking of the pampered elite. They are losing faith in The One. That’s good news.
I don’t think “they” (the liberal elite) are losing faith in The One at all. Noonan, a one-time speechwriter for Reagan who was dazzled for a time by Obama’s teleprompter reading abilities, has lost faith. The religious faith that most of the elite have in Obama will not be shaken so easily. Heck, all the horrors committed by 20th century Communists
still have not destroyed the faith of people like Dunn and Van Jones. Leftists can watch clips of anti-Chavez students demonstrating in Carcacas and still believe that Chavez is on the side of “the People.” A downturn in Obama’s poll numbers and tea party demonstrations will not convince them that they are wrong. I doubt anything will.
Back when Dubya was still president, I used to say that if Islamic terrorists set a nuke off on the Golden Gate Bridge, the survivors would spend their last seconds alive cursing Bush.
245 & 247. SteveM & Storm-Rider:
re: Federalist 78
Thanks for looking this up and including it in the discussion. This was one of those sources to which I was referring when I commented to Storm-Rider that the Founding Fathers considered and intended the Judiciary to be the weakest of the three branches of government.
I quit reading Noonan quite some time ago. My last comment to her was “What in the hell is wrong with you?”
SteveM@245 and 247: You’re right about the exceptions clause, of course. I should have attempted a carefully worded argument about judicial review following Fed 78, rather than engaging in such incautious hyperbole.
On Fed 78, however, we disagree. I point to Obama’s Executive and the Pelosi/Reid Congress as my exhibit A. In my view, Hamilton was correct, then and now. In saying this, I do not deny your legitimate concerns with the Court.
Reluctant (234), you’re overstating the one-sidedness of it. But to the extent that it is true, it’s not the left that has the guns.
Lugh,
Au contraire, the CMP currently lists M1 Garand and M1 Carbine rifles available for general (i.e. by-mail) purchasing. Delivery is slow, however (2-4 months) so if you need something soon, look elsewhere.
BTW, has Christopher Buckley been heard from since he praised Obama’s first-rate temperament? Is Buckley confining himself to penning light pieces that completely avoid politics? Or he is contemplating the effect Obama’s first-rate temperament is going to have on the windfall Buckley inherited from “Pup”?
Josh@33
“I’ve spent quite some time on trying to understand the curent zeitgeist, and of all things how it affects software development.”
Software development as a discipline is royally screwed and likely won’t recover in anything like a decent form for a long time. There are a LOT of things wrong with the way the typical shop operates, and it is damned near impossible in most shops to get raises that even keep you even with the “average”, so people are constantly obliged to jump shops frequently. If you take initiative you are smacked down and sometimes even shunned. If you come up with a great idea and succeed against the tide in implementing it, you rarely get credit for it. I worked for a shop where putting an easter egg in any software, even stuff that wouldn’t go to customers, was a firing offense.
After 18 years of putting up with this crap, I’m going Galt…sort of. I’ve gone to 3/4 time developing and I’ve begun a new course of study, and if fortune smiles I will leave software development permanently in summer or fall of 2011 for a career in teaching. I won’t make as much, but I’ll be much happier, and I won’t have to spend nearly so much time with the boobs in charge.
On the side, I’m hoping to do some development on my own of software to help run a school, and hopefully some “prosthetics” to help special education students learn. But I refuse to share that effort with the world until I get to KEEP the majority of any resulting benefits. So looks like I’ll be living on a teacher’s salary permanently soon. Sigh. At least I’ll have summers off, right?
85 yr old dad remembers a lot. When Univ of Pitt daughter was gassed, shot at with rubber bullets and sound cannoned at the G-20 he understood what had happened to her. He knew the gov’t makes big mistakes and doesn’t care. He knows how things can spin out of control. Noonan is right the Federal Gov’t is out of control and they don’t care what there incessant decrees are doing . Interestingly enough she has an uncle from the Sierra Leonne and another from Nicaragua on the other side of the family. Both have been very supportive . She has had more sympathy from them than from the fellow Pittsburghers who blame her for the police actions. Thank God for immigrants. They know first hand why we must be on guard of First Amendment rights. I for one appreciate the ACLU and we will need it as things get worse.
mariner, 263: “With Congress in the right hands (no pun intended) there would be no need for amendment.”
The amendment is needed because the very anticipation of such an amendment (and also once in place) would render Congress a magnet for patriotic Americans interested in preserving their unalienable rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness (personal property honestly/creatively earned). “We the People” would see the opportunity to, once and for all, become final arbiters of American law (and thereby of our sacred individual rights), not the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court would be heeled (healed); and I envision in response to this new reality – Supreme Court discovery of un-Declarational judicial review – another just counterbalance to Congress – (think Article I, Section 2: the 3/5 clause), but Congress would need 2/3 override on this as well. Bringing the Declaration into our legal system is sorely needed, and this would be a way for it to happen. The Supreme Court would still remain immensely powerful since 2/3 override is not easy, and they would find themselves in the role of defender of human rights (Declaration) as well as law (Constitution).
Congressional 2/3 override of the Supreme Court would be an anti-Catch-22; a way for “We the People” to cast off cynical pessimism; take control of our law – our sacred rights – and our destiny.
Whitehall,
If the Constitution fails then the tree of liberty will be watered, just as Jefferson stated in the Declaration.
It’s not the Supreme Court that’s preventing adoption of a constitutional amendment stating that all humans, whether born or unborn, have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The fact that Noonan may be late to this realization does not make her wrong. She was also not wrong to hope that Obama would become more moderate in his governing as president, just as Bill Clinton did. (For what it’s worth, she did write positive words about Palin right after the Republican convention, particularly with re: to the way she connected with the people.) The belief that Obama would moderate his stance was one shared by many pundits, but Obama has proved them all wrong with his incredible socialist grab. One would have thought the moderate Democrats would not have followed along so meekly – which leads one to wonder what, exactly, is going on behind the scenes in terms of negotiation and threat. This is not just an inept administration; it has insidious designs, and the true hope of America is that its people realize this sooner rather than later.
The Lordlings have never hauled water (unless they were on a Wilderness Experience); they have never watched 3 children die of diptheria in one week; they are very unhappy that, when they travel through Europe, the people they meet are unhappy with America.
On my own website, I have a page quoting from St Patrick and St Gildas, describing what happens when a great civilization disappears. Particularly Gildas, who I think, actually saw what he describes:
http://www.knapdalepeople.com/kilcelticendrome.html
Quadratic equations? Are you kidding me? Jimmy Carter could probably do them in his sleep. For all I know, Obama can too. Mathematical proficiency is no guarantee of an informed electorate. You might as well restrict voting to anyone who can whip up a decent Hollandaise.
You might be interested in one of Neville Shute’s novels called “In the Wet.” Shute was an engineer and pilot. He moved to Australia in disgust after seeing what Labour was doing in the 40s. The book is his concept of the future, predicting what Britain would be like in the 1970s and 80s. One of his concepts, which he applied to Australia, was in voting. Each person got one vote but they got additional votes up to seven (as I recall) based on whether they had had military service or had lived abroad or had run a business. It was an interesting idea but unlikely in the age of Obama.
More children should read Captains Courageous.
“It’s not the Supreme Court that’s preventing adoption of a constitutional amendment stating that all humans, whether born or unborn, have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
In Roe v. Wade the Supreme Court ruled the mother’s right to privacy trumps the unborn child’s right to life. With Congressional 2/3 override, Roe v. Wade could be overturned by Congressional legislation (2/3 majority vote) rather than a specific amendment.
The only way we will rid ourselves of the corrupt parasites in government is to kill them, their enablers and their supporters. Sooner or later it will come to that if Americans really, really want to be free.
176: I am afraid that you’re right. This is the only way that I can imagine truly taking back the country from its death grip. I hope that it never has to get to that stage. But to be realistic, that is a scenario that may have to happen.
I see a number of firearms related posts above. You may wish to visit
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/
which, imo, is the belmont club of firearms.
Kahr arms makes an M1 carbine in Worcester, MA. This mfgr. supplied parts to inland and others that made the M1 carbine for the U.S. armed forces.
Lugh Lampfhota:
I consider that one of Jefferson’s dumber statements.
Jefferson said that in response to the French Revolution, which he continued to support even after it became a Reign of Terror.
I recommend getting back to the principles in our own Constitution, not hauling out the guillotine. After all, unlike the French in the ancien regime – we voted these idiots into office.
Okay so where was Noonan when others among us were singling out the savage little children of the Left back in what seems an epoch ago? Following the witching music of Obama, her finely-sinewed Apollonian centrist. This is faux populist, sententious and melodramatic muck — Noonan at her best. Her problem is she can’t live with her own collosal bad judgment (not that even now she really understands the Left) and is just exercising her best weapons to explain it away.
“People all throughout history have invented sacrificial rites, and the “ascendent” progressive movement’s enviro-evangelism is rife with ‘em. And, doesn’t today’s retributive social climate provide unusually fertile ground?”
This is true, recently identified myself as well. The left, having more or less rejected relegion, is finding their primitive human needs unmet… and is resorting to the sacrificial alternative to pacify.
Its programmed into us somewhere… If I society can not explain its problems with reason, it first resorts to scapegoating, and then sacrifice. Religion (Jesus) showed us another way to head this off.
But it is not charity if its by the barrel of a gun. And the left, so wanting to sacrifice to their “Earth God”, are forcing it upon us all. But with sacrifice, it is only redeaming if you have bought in, otherwise it just seems as retarded as cutting out hearts to bring rain.
Donna V (#284 ): yes, Jefferson said it much later–but no, when you read it in context you don’t see a lot of infatuation with the French:
Doesn’t that show it in a different light? It sure does for me…
Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln:
“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” Thomas Jefferson
“I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson
“As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also.” Thomas Jefferson
“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.” Abraham Lincoln
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
So, are we back to Livy’s summary of the politics of the Late Roman Republic:
“My head or thy head?”
Only if Obama and his colleagues wish it so.
People must suffer the humility of their own failures, so that we might grow up and develop any character. I think that this would also apply to nations.
More than once on BC I’ve seen the beginning of a troubling rift between those who prefer to be armed and those who would rather not. Here’s an attempt to shed light on what gun ownership signifies for some of us. And no, I do not currently have anything more than a hunting knife in my house, but I have saved my own life with guns and also with words against a man with a gun.
There are too many parallels between the current larger crises of Iran and NK and others playing with fire and the closer fears of what might happen when unemployment continues to soar and violent crime follows suit. I wake in the morning fretting about how to pay for my daughter’s college, let alone a cheap car so she can commute to school or a job. I worry about the increase in street people and am more careful when I walk to the store after dark. I fear that my daughter will not be able to have the joy of a long life, whether because of the disintegration of the medical-industrial complex that would whisk her to the ER or because of a terrorist’s attack.
I am a solid, practical woman. If it breaks, I can fix it, from a shoelace to a computer’s motherboard. I find, though, that the confidence that has carried me through a truly difficult life is failing me — of all things, because I am at heart a patriot and to see my country betrayed has cut at my soul. It is akin to when I first met an evil person and realized how fortunate I’d been to grow up loved by good people in a small town. I live in Silicon Valley now and most of my friends think Obama is too conservative, but even they are feeling a sea change in their confidence. The bedrock of Being American is cracked.
I do believe in God, a rather standard Christian god, one who expects us to step up and do our part. There have been times in my life where that meant reaching for the pistol above the door and shoving it in an aggressive man’s gut and letting him see that I had no qualms about dispatching his sorry self. The security of having that gun nearby, loaded, and knowing that I could hit what I needed — that’s a level of power most housewives simply don’t have. If you’ve ever tried to fend off an armed rapist with a whiskey bottle, hoping you have time to break it and kill him before he shoots and you bleed out — concealed weapons permits start to have real appeal.
For those of us who grew up with scouting, “Be prepared,” means we have a full set of batteries in the closet, a big ball of string, bottled water and maybe a portable filter, a first aid kit under the bathroom sink, and perhaps a well-stocked gun cabinet. It isn’t that we sit up late at night planning a hit list, but that we see it as being responsible citizens, Americans, to be prepared for *any* eventuality. For some of us who have looked evil in the face, that includes small arms.
35. Dr Sanity
But for most, even to many of the Left, they’ll adapt if they see things aren’t working. They may be temporarily stupid, but they’re not permanently crazy. Most people don’t have enough education to be continuously loco.
Wretchard, I fear you are incorrect.
I agree,Doc.
Wretch, elitists always ensure they are insulated from the impacts their policies and ideologies have on the common man. They surely stop associating with them and so isolate themselves from the consequences their actions have on normal people.
They have reduced those people to ciphers. Dehumanised them like the Nazis did with the Jews, the Slavs, Jesse Owens and almost everybody else.
But perhaps a better non-racist analogy (due to its claims to be an international movement) is the Moscow-led Communists who identified all who would resist their excesses as fascists and/or counter-revolutionaries which dehumanised them to the point where it was easy to kill or otherwise neutralise any who espoused a counterpoint. That is what the Left does today. They learned the lesson well.
So the temptation is to wring out every possible moment that allows them to keep their hands on the levers of power, even as the ship burns or the Soviet Army closes in on the fuhrerbunker.
Do you really think they would voluntarily relinquish the levers if their model was not working, and step aside for the good of a nation and in the case of a Constitution that has thwarted people of their ilk for so many generations?
They are so narcissistic that they would rather die than relinquish their fantasy world/mental projection.
I only hope that Americans with traditional beliefs and traditional power including their guns present enough of a threat to these Lefty Lordlings that they are intimidated into doing the right thing when the crunch comes, and it will.
I’ve thought frequently over the past decade how many of the issues being argued over have had their solutions in the stories and fairy tales of my childhood.
When people were moaning that we couldn’t overthrow Saddam without the imprimatur of the U.N., it reminded me of the Little Red Hen.
Global warming/climate change reminds me of Chicken Little.
I can’t say how many things have reminded me of The Emperor’s New Clothes.
And here is the Pied Piper. I might also mention Pinocchio and the experience of him and his friends on Pleasure Island.
The deficits being added to the national debt remind me of killing the goose that laid the golden eggs. And earlier, I saw a reference by Mark Steyn to Obama resting on 19 mattresses of media support and still feeling the pea from Fox News or the National Chamber of Commerce.
Every once in a while I remember the book by Robert Fulghum, “ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN,” but I notice now that his book has been cited as a pacifist message by a site at http://www.peace.ca/kindergarten.htm. Apparently this person forgot that Kindergarten has teachers who keep the peace.
Who hasn’t thought of Little Red Riding Hood noting, “Grandmother, what big teeth you have!” when reading about Obama’s “diplomacy” with Iran?
Life is full of situations where the answers are supplied by what was once called common sense, but our postmodern age seems to specialize in arguing perversely against it. The mythos of America seems to be disappearing even as the myth of the United Nations is fed unceasingly. I’m worried that we may suffer the fate of the Gingerbread Man.
Peggy Noonan: The Lordlings
“Lord” is an interesting word choice;
Feudalism, under a kind Lord, is the
best that a people unable to govern
themselves can hope for.
We are about to find out if we are still
Exceptional.
http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_normansaxon.htm
Well said Sylvia! (the ball of string made me laugh, I keep the good shoe lace when one of a pair give it up)
All, please don’t let the faint hearts deter you from firearms. Get knowledgeable, get mentors, get one! If you can trust yourself to operate a motor vehicle or a chainsaw, there’s no reason why you couldn’t have one other implement.
It’s not a magic wand. Just because you have it doesn’t mean things always go your way. It is however a rewarding hobby, it’s a confidence and discipline builder and it’s peace of mind.
Sylvia, 291
Being a vet, i see a gun as a tool. A tool i may or may not need. If I live in a safe area, don’t hunt, and don’t enjoy target practice or collecting, a gun is a low priority. I too live in the vicinity of the blob called Silicon Valley. There seems little need for guns, unless you live close to one of the crime pockets.
OTOH, when my wife’s father died, and we helped clean up his Oakland house, there were three guns the ex-Marine had hidden among 20,000 books. He knew his area. He knew how to use them, and so he kept these tools the same way he kept tools for making book cases, tools to maintain the yard.
A good tool costs money. It needs to be maintained. Just having a tool, but not knowing how to use it can be more dangerous than not having it.
In San Jose, it is more important to be prepared for the coming earthquake, than be prepared for a much less likely home invasion. How close are you to the Calaveras Faultline? At least for now it’s more important…
Had an interesting encounter with a man after church today. He has lived in America five years, and must return to India, (Job). He told me he feels American, no longer Indian. He became a Christian here in America. (His family background is Hindu). America still attracts those who want to break out of limiting cultures, that try to keep classes fixed.
This to me is the strange conversation. We talk of elites, yet America has always been this strange mixture of elite and common. Contrast Jackson, the wild man of the west, and his parties in the White House. Lincoln, born in log cabin. Teddy R. born to high society, but going out west, living a true rugged life. The other Roosevelt, going to Washington to do “good”. Bush, the first, going to Texas to the oil patch. This strange mixture of elite and common.
We have always been the land of opportunity. Yet we also have boss run cities. Boss Tweed, is one among many. Chicago, where crime seems it’s major export. As you read American history, it is a story of glory and dishonor. Of freedom, and monopoly. Of Christian values, and religious freedom, including the right to not believe anything. A land where a man can come from India with nothing, and become a successful American. A land where a rich heiress can be best known for a sex tape.
The rich you will always have with you. Grieve for those who rejoice in riches, for they know not what is important. Power has always corrupted. The love of money has always been the root of evil.
I notice they have made a movie of “The Blind Side”. It too is a story about class. A good story. It gives me a reason to root for the Colts. The Niners could have used a good OT to protect the blind side. Although Crab seems able to catch, so he may be worth it.
72. Mad Fiddler said: “Sure, there are dangers, but the response of making LIFE idiot-proof has had the long term effect of allowing morons to survive to breeding age, and multiply.”
I highly recommend Mike Judge’s movie Idiocracy which proves Mad Fiddler’s point.
@282 Cheryl:
“The only way we will rid ourselves of the corrupt parasites in government is to kill them, their enablers and their supporters. Sooner or later it will come to that if Americans really, really want to be free.”
And just what would be your selection criteria for “their enablers and their supporters”? You think a Ministry of Truth for the Right is good idea? What do you say we start with you?
This is what happens when people start getting too self-righteous about their political opinions. And I couldn’t care less what Thomas Jefferson said about watering trees with other people’s blood. The Second Amendment (which I wholeheartedly support) isn’t a mandate for murdering people with different sets of prejudices and the Belmont Club isn’t a think tank for political assassination.