Back in January of 2009, Tavis Smiley of PBS told his fellow liberals, “Harry Reid, put down the crack pipe. You don’t work for Barack Obama? We’re all working for Barack Obama.”
Evidently, Daryl Hannah didn’t get the memo.
Last year, Fox Nation reported that the actress was “disappointed” in the president:
Daryl Hannah has a bone to pick with Barack Obama: In fact, she’s mighty cross with the Leader of the Free World. Frankly, I suspect he would probably swoon at the mere sight of her – that cascade of blonde hair, those other-worldly pale hyacinth eyes, like a freshly landed mermaid’s – but I digress. For now we shall concentrate on Hannah the Eco-Campaigner.
Rather admirably, the 49-year-old has no truck with the Hollywood orthodoxy that all Republicans are villains and all Democrats heroes, but has always gone her own way. ‘I try to stay away from politics because politicians inevitably let you down as they’re always beholden to the people who put them in office,’ she says. ‘I’m pleased about the organic vegetable patch on the White House lawn, but Obama needs to put back the solar panels on the roof; Jimmy Carter put them up, Reagan took them down, and now it’s time they were reinstated. Reagan banned offshore drilling and Obama is trying to open it up again, which is terrible, especially given the recent oil spill. Then there’s nuclear power, endangered species…’ she trails off in tremulous disappointment.
So flash-forward to today, which found Daryl having gone from disappointment to a nostalgic sixties-style sit-in and getting busted by The Man:
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Daryl Hannah was arrested by U.S. Park Police Tuesday at a protest in front of the White House, a police spokesman told TheWrap.
Hannah was participating in a sit-in against the construction of a pipeline that would stretch from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico.
The actress was handcuffed by police after she refused to move.
She paid an $100 fine and was released from custody, a police spokesperson told TheWrap.
But if Hannah was worried about the oil spill in the Gulf last year, why is she protesting a pipeline that helps to reduce both offshore drilling and supertankers bringing oil from the Middle East? As Ezra Levant wrote last September in the blog post that accompanied his book Ethical Oil:
In Ethical Oil, I make the case for Canada’s oilsands from a liberal point of view. Here’s why.
We’ve heard the oilsands called unethical, dirty and even nasty. One propagandist actually called it “blood oil”.
But look at the alternatives: oil from places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Nigeria, Venezuela and Sudan. I don’t compare the oilsands against some fantasy fuel of the future that is perfect in every way. When someone invents solar-powered airplanes or wind-powered cars, let me know. Until then, let’s leave that to science fiction.
Because if the oilsands were to be shut down tomorrow, the United States would simply replace our petroleum with petroleum from somewhere else. Along with the emerging economies of India and China, they’re going to fill their gastanks with oil from somewhere.
So if the choice is not between the oilsands and perfection, but between the oilsands and OPEC, we can have a serious discussion.
As the Celebslam site noted, Daryl had to get from her home in Colorado to Washington somehow. Where would she prefer the fuel that powers the aircraft and automobiles that transported her to come from?
I think Daryl Hannah made it clear that it is not “ethical” oil options she is protesting. She wants us to focus on options that leave petroleum products behind like the dinosaurs they are. I admire her standing – or sitting- for what she believes in.
It is a waste of money and resources for us to continue to pursue petroleum products when it has been made clear by geologists that they will not even last a generation more. We need to focus on the future -now.
I want my grand children to be driving cars that are “clean” rather than paying $100 a gallon for fuel. That is a joke, but if you think about how the costs of fuel have gone up in the last 3 years, and you multiply that by 25, then you are planning the rediculous when you invest in creating more oil pipelines. I would love to see a cartoon of that on the front page of the NY Times. It could show an image of us currently complaining and another image of our children, then one of our grandchildren. I think that would show the comedy of what the “Boys” are planning.
My thought is “Wake up and smell the fresh air- petrolium is a waste of our time. No big deal- just a waste. Anyone with any maturity and thoughts of governing – as in taking care of- our country and planet would see that the best possible thing for us to do is to lead the way into alternative sources of energy. Why not be the leaders? Perhaps because we, the people of the USA, and even the corporations of the USA are no longer making the decisions. I have been told by the younger 20 somethings I know that I should give up. We have been sold out to other countries who do not acre about us or our country’s health. This may be true. In which case I will be looking like Darryl Hannah and trailing off in tremulous disappointment
“I think Daryl Hannah made it clear that it is not ‘ethical’ oil options she is protesting.”
Exactly.
Uhm, you appear to not have read any geology news since about 1970. The total world oil reserves keep going UP, as we discover more and more exploitable fields and sources, even as we use millions of barrels each year. Your projection is predicated on two assumptions: one, that we the current trendline of increasing oil usage will continue indefinitely and unchanged, and two, that the current trendline of continually increasing oil discoveries (and new extraction methods) will STOP. TOMORROW. ZERO. NOTHING will EVER be discovered again. ANYWHERE.
You’re probably right about #1, but I don’t think #2 is valid.
Anastasia
You post betrays a lack in knowledge in the areas of innovation and engineering. Whether we like it or not, oil will be fueling our transportation solutions for the next 30+ years. Biofuels while attractive in small amounts are simply not scalable to the point where they can replace fossil fuels. In the U.S. we are currently puttin more corn into ethanol than we are into livestock feed…logistically this can’t work as a replacement; practically, the impact to the cost of food is unacceptable.
Natural gas vehicles for fleet applications are a real possibility, but the infrastructure required to push the solution down to the mass market is prohibitive, and probably not in keeping with your distaste of fossil fuels.
This leaves electric vehicles. The Volt/Leaf/Tesla notwithstanding, we need 2-3 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE of improvement in batery technology before this can be a realistic mass market solution…at least an order of magnitude improvement in battery duration (30-50 miles to 300-500 miles capability) and one to two orders of magnitude improvement in cost ($10,000+ to <$500). These improvements can not be wished into being. Innovation and engineering will take time and considering the improvements necessary, I estimate 15-25 years. The proxies I use for this estimate are Haifz's law which states the cost per lumen of LED light bulbs fall at a rate of 10x per decade and the flux (or light emitted) per lamp improves at 20x per decade. Moore's law on the innovation rate associated with computer chips (integrated circuits) is also a decent proxy with the number of transistors that can be placed inexpensively on an integrated circuit doubles approximately every two years.
Forcing the cost of fossil fuels up through poor policy choices will not change these facts. It will only drain the economy of productive capital by paying for resources that are artificially high in cost.
Unicorn farts are not a viable energy source. Physics should not be confused with fantasy which is what alternative energy is. Fantasy. As for Daryl Hannah, she ought to be forced to walk back to Colorado as a form of a hypocrisy tax.
Petroleum products are not “dinosaurs.” They’re “dinosaurs’ juices.”
There is actually some debate about the origin of petroleum. It may not all be fossils that originate them. There is some evidence that subduction zones carry the raw materials down into the crust where they are baked into petroleum and that percolates up through the crust to be trapped in the fields where we find and “produce” it.
Dear Lord, what planet do you live on?
According to a LOT of estimates, there are enough oil reserves in North America to completely stop buying oil from the middle east. If we switch to nuclear and coal for electricity, natural gas for other uses, think of how much oil we can conserve then.
It is absolutely laughable to think there is only enough oil for one more generation. You’ve been hanging with the Greenpeace wackos for too long.
Your information is consistent with what I have been hearing. I far as I can tell our energy crisis is 100% created by environmentalist whining and their fallacious propaganda. The only reason we are dependent on foreign oil is because of these ignorant hypocrites. Well meaning as some of them may be.
Sorry, fairy dust from unicorn burps has yet to be fully developed for transportation purposes. Petrol does the job though. Maybe you and Hanna can do with magical thinking as a solution to your transportation issues, but for the rest of us, oil is here for a while.
As an aside, why is it that ecofreaks deride conservatives for being too Manichean in their outlook, but it’s always “we must get rid of oil NOW” and only make do with whatever pipe-dream fuel system has come down the dream pipe?
We have enough oil in sands and shale to last for 200 years and it is extractable at less than 2 dollars per gallon gasoline equivalent. You are hopelessly naïve to think that any technology currently exists that will be cheaper than this. Your grandchildren will be driving cars with cheap gasoline because we are now waking up from the idiocy that is today’s environmental movement.
Well, step forward with a solution…the 20 somethin’s don’t have it (they never do, but I EXPECT them to protest). It is the older folks who think like children that bug me.
People like Hannah who talk about all the ill’s but still use oil and fly everywhere and have the money to ignore their own advice aren’t the one’s whose opinions matter.
Have the protestors like Hannah put some money up (real money) and start an alternative energy company. Maybe they will produce energy from thin air. There is plenty between their ears. Until then, I’ll gas up and laugh at Al Gore idiotic ideas.
I am absolutely positive that Ms. Hannah doesn’t know her plane runs on oil. She thinks it runs on jet fuel.
If dopey little girls don’t want to be called “dopey little girls”, they need to stop being them.
So you believe that oil companies, with vast resources and the world’s leading experts in both oil recovery and finance, would be short sighted enough to dump tons of money into something that doesn’t make sense for them to reap the best return over the long run?
Everything isn’t a conspiracy. The world will transition off of fossil fuels when market forces start to drive us that way. Between Oil Sands (1.7 trillion barrels in Canada alone) and Natural Gas, let alone coal, it’s going to be more cost effective to stay on fossil fuels vs. alternative beyond either of our lifespans.
Great! Good idea! Now, what energy options were you thinking of? You know, when I pull my car up to the pump or arrive at the air port then I want to use this energy that you say isn’t a “waste of time” – it sounds *much* better than that old “waste of time” (there’s a pun there, you know) stuff that the Oil Sands is producing.
Do you even read what you write or does it just pour out and get caught on paper? Today we use oil and a lot of it. Despite that it is still the cheapest form of generating energy. If and when it gets to $100 a gallon, it would be compared to other forms of energy and the cheapest solution will win (as long as politics stays out of the way). If your only real issue is “oil is dead” then relax, in a generation it will go the way of the dinosaurs and expire and be replaced by something better. More likely though, as the price continues to rise, resources will be devoted to a) getting at more, getting more out of where we are currently getting it and/or c) getting it from other things. At time goes on, technology for recovering oil gets better so that we are able to stretch what we have. If and when that no longer works economically, something else will replace it. Part of the problem is most eco(s) want me to pay an extra $1 or $2 per gallon now so as to subsidize their overpriced non-oil options so that they feel better about themselves. Ethanol being one prime example. It costs more than a gallon of energy to make a gallon of Ethanol and it drives up food prices. Great answer that. Also, the same exo(s) that want us out of oil (for all the wrong reasons) also want us out of nuclear. You can not run the country let alone the world on solar today and may never be able to. So if we are going to use oil today, why not ethical oil?
The voice of reason. Thank you JustSaying.
If these hollywood liberals are so smart, why don’t they start an energy company. This is a free country. They can create what ever kind of energy they want. Of course if they want to stay in business for very long they will start drilling for oil. That’s if the enviromorons will let them.
“It is a waste of money and resources for us to continue to pursue petroleum products when it has been made clear by geologists that they will not even last a generation more.”
I must have missed the announcement that the Earth is running out of oil.
Who are these “geologists” you speak of?
We will be releasing hydrocarbons into the atmosphere for the foreseeable future. It’s just a fact.
We just have to decide WHO will release them. Us or the Chinese and India?
WHEN another energy or technology is discovered or invented that can move people, goods and food from one place to another that costs the same or less that hydrocarbons THEN we will move away from hydrocarbons.
We have to have a real national debate to decide if we really want to tie one hand behind our back when it comes to energy and what that REALLY means if we do.
High priced energy = lower standard of living and less freedom
Cheap energy = higher standard of living and more freedom
If the eco freaks were so smart they would figure out a way to condense the hydrocarbons in smog out of the air and recycle it back into our fuel tanks.
Nuclear. The technology and safety continues to grow by leaps and bounds but the same retarded eco nuts that revile petroleum have a bunch more hateful conspiracy fallacies about Nuclear power. There is simply no winning with them, but they have managed to demonize anything that works. Whoever said Ms. Hannah probably thinks her jet runs on jet fuel and not petroleum is spot on. I’ll bet Darryl couldn’t name a tenth of all that products she or her lowly staff use every day that are petroleum byproducts. I blame the school system, and by proxy liberalism in general, robbing multiple generations or rudimentary scientific understanding because it’s more important to indoctrinate them to the liberal agenda.
Bingo Rik,
The technology has been around for decades and is clean and safe. If it wasn’t for the ecomorons we would be in tall cotton. These people are so harmful. How can we protect the world from these idiots.
The truth is that we have many options available to us. Its ridiculous.
The problem is, Anastasia, that we can’t leave petroleum products behind until we have viable alternatives. The potential for these is vast, so there is enormous incentive to develop them. But we don’t have viable alternatives. Unless you like nuclear for electricity.
Until realistic alternatives are developed, which they will be someday, we need petroleum. With the AGW myth dead to everyone but those is ecofundamentalist fantasyland, liee Darryl Hannah, or those looking to gain money or power from taxing or restricting petroleum products, the issue is not whether we use petroleum, but where we get it. Canada and the U.S. have centuries of reserves of coal, natural gas and oil, from multiple sources. It is anti-science and eco-religion folly that keeps us from divorcing ourselves from the pathological countries we buy our oil from and enormously boosting our own economy by tapping our ownm resources.
“It is a waste of money and resources for us to continue to pursue petroleum products when it has been made clear by geologists that they will not even last a generation more. We need to focus on the future -now.”
I don’t know how old you are but I remember being in 5th grade in 1978 and being drilled on how we were going to run out of oil by 2000. Well, my car is still accelerating and my lights are still on. That end date, peak-oil or whatever, keeps getting pushed out. Like tomorrow, it never comes.
Yes, we need to focus on the future. And, for all practical purposes, that means building this pipeline so we can get the next generation’s-worth of petroleum from our friends in the Great White North, not from the 3rd world autocrats who deserve to choke on theirs. Oh, and if today’s news about the Feds’ $500 million investment in a solar company that just went Chapter 11 is any indicator, the future is not looking bright for the “green” options right now.
If she is protesting oil in general rather than ethical Canadian oil then she is doing it in a ditzy manner. She was arrested because she did not want a pipeline built from Canada — which means she favors our getting oil from Mideast petro-kleptocracies.
If she understands that is what she is doing she should be ashamed of herself — and maybe dip her fingers in expired human blood from a blood bank every morning to remind herself of the consequences of her actions.
If she does not understand that basic fact — that her actions force American consumers to buy from theocratic petro-kleptocracies, instead of a stable democracy like Canada, then she really has no business protesting, period. In fact, she probably needs a guardian to look after her affairs because she is not competent to do so.
She wants us to focus on options that leave petroleum products behind like the dinosaurs they are.
I’ll believe your faith in Ms. Hannah when I have evidence that you’ll never again use any petrol-powered transportation in your super-ethical life.
It is a waste of money and resources for us to continue to pursue petroleum products when it has been made clear by geologists that they will not even last a generation more.
Argument from authority – particularly when no authority but anonymous “geologists” is cited – is really naive in this argument. There are enormous amounts of coal, gas and petroleum available right here in the USA – enough to run internal combustion engines for easily a century at current rates. And currently, energy from such sources is much cheaper than any other source. So if you’re so ‘concerned’ about a waste of money and resources, you just painted yourself into a corner.
Anastasia, I’m truly sorry that your entry into this rather libertarian neighborhood has left a couple of what must be painful psychic welts, but it is a learning opportunity.
Here is a possible learming you can take way with you: Your position on fossil fuels makes you feel all tingly inside, but doesn’t bear up under the facts. Folks who post here fully understand that progressive types are deeply guilt ridden and have to fervently believe in such tripe as a form of self imposed penance, but are almost never convinced by the “hopey changiness” argument, being themselves rather more of a pragmatic bent.
Anastasia;
Your points sound like a Miss America reply: “I want to end hunger and ensure world peace”…or Hanna Montana
3 solar companies have gone bankrupt this week because they make no economic sense. Are we to import lithium for batteries and worry about where to store it as it decays ? Spain spent $755,000 per worker to build wind farms (at the cost of 3 to 1 job loss) Their utility costs have skyrocketed not to mention all the dead birds including endangered species.
There is enough oil/natural gas to run our country for 100 plus years.
If you want to see your child in a hovel working off all the government tax subsidies for “clean energy” your in luck. The guy with the same agenda is at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue
If you want to save the planet EAT AN EVIROMENTALIST
Hey to the rest of the Disney cast Hanna!!
Oh those silicone valleys.
I am almost 60, and for my entire adult life I keep hearing that we only have 10 or 20 years of oil left. Yet it keeps coming. In ever increasing quantities. Additionally, I have read several reports that oil may very well be constantly relenished. Previously depleted and capped wells have been reopened and had new supplies of crude. So it may be that we never run out. It is an efficient fuel, and while it may be noble to look at other sources, the tradeoff must be cost related. The only reason we would see $25 gas is for the very reason that our gas is not below $2. Govt. interference in the drilling and harvesting of our own natural resources. We can’t drill in oil rich regions of Alaska. We can’t drill offshore. We can’t build new refineries to process the oil and thereby create an abundant and inexpensive product. The prices are squarely on the backs of our politicians. Let us harvest our own sources and the prices drop quickly.
I’m almost 76 and remember well that in the autumn of 1979 the Shah of Iran was in the US and being interviewed on live evening news by a leading news anchor on US TV.
When answering a question about the high price of fuel during the energy crisis of the 70s he made an made a very clear statement that a $10 phone call from Carter’s white house would change that in very short order. That may well have been the prime reason that a David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger request to allow the Shah into the United States to undergo surgical treatment for gall stones was only reluctantly approved by Carter.
Very little concerning the price of oil other than attempts by small buyers to corner a portion of developing sources has effected the controlling factor of brokers buying all oil production before it ever reached the surface wherever produced. Kissinger cut the deal with the Saudis to price oil based on the US dollar and invest in US bonds propping up the dollar for 30+ years. It appears that the era is at end due to treasury printing presses being fired up.
The good news is that new technology described as reverse cracking of methane into liquid states is now causing massive diversification in UAR and other middle eastern oil producing countries. The process claims ability to under sell oil as long as the price remains above $28 / bbl. A recent Saudi national proclamation of discontinued use of crude is definitely indicative of a new energy technology breakthrough and greater crude export. Now all you have to guess is the nature of underhanded crap where its imported. Information suppression comes easy for mass media. Watch the internet.
Japan’ accident plus the collapse of three green jobs nuke projects here could accelerate local liquid fuel diversification requiring far less than conversion of vehicles for compressed methane use if the EPA will stay out of the picture. After all, we have more gas under ground than all others combined, excluding that bubbling from the big cesspool on the hill.
Each and every time one of our resident malthusian luddites prattles on about the end of fossil or carbon based energy sources, citing some hysterical geologist, other geologists suddenly and “Unexpectedly!” discover and prove new fields that add yet another century to the end of the world as we know it.
Madame, I am perfectly willing to allow you to voluntarily surrender your personal advantages, but I am unwilling to allow you to redistribute mine.
As for Hannah, having the abilty to play an intelligent person in the movies does not prove her own intelligence. Her actions and motivations seem to provide proof of the opposite condition.
When has she ever played an intelligent person, in or out of the movies? Pray tell.
Well, her replicant in Blade Runner had some excellent…brain implants.
She played an astronomer in “Roxanne.”
Ed, you’re thinking of (Ms.) Sean Young: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000707/. She played the replicant in Bladerunner.
Daryl was also in Blade Runner as Pris, “A basic pleasure model.”
Ah yes, the “end of oil” meme has been trotted out, as it always is, usually by Trotskis.
Get over it – the world is awash in oil – seriously, look into the reserves in the Gulf of Mexico – they are increasing.
“Anastasia” is not only misinformed,she is untruthful in the bargain….since Henry Ford first popped the clutch,the world has consumed right at 1 trillion bbls of crude oil derivatives….according to the API and the Oil Daily,current proven recoverable petroleum reserves total over 2 trillion bbls…not including natural gas…with yet more buried offshore..Ms Hannah apparently suffers from the same handicaps that “Anastasia” does
“when it has been made clear by geologists that they will not even last a generation more.”
Completely and utterly false.
For the record, I love petroleum. And natural gas and coal. It’s all great stuff. It does wonderful things for us, not the least of which is power cars, heaters, lights (particularly the incandescent ones and air conditioners. Its deleterious effects are nugatory and manageable. We have lots of the stuff, enough to last for generations, and extracting it is both well known and cost effective.
We have nothing better to replace it all, save for nuclear power.
Sad what Daryl Hannah things she has to do to revive her career.
Eggzacary!
Plus it keeps the world warm according too some. And I say that is a good thing if true. Ice in a Manhattan is wonderful. Manhattan under ice… not so much.
What a political ludite I am. I live in Oklahoma… both are a win win for me.
“It is a waste of money and resources for us to continue to pursue petroleum products when it has been made clear by geologists that they will not even last a generation more.”
They have NOT said that.
“Anyone with any maturity and thoughts of governing – as in taking care of- our country and planet would see that the best possible thing for us to do is to lead the way into alternative sources of energy.”
Fallacious appeal to conformity. “All smart people believe x”.
Example: “Sane people understand that oil is still in abundance and necessary while we transition into an alternate energy source.
Another: “Anyone with an ounce of sense realizes that the current crop of alternate energies (solar, wind, etc) provide less than 3% of what we need and are somewhat worthless”
And lets not discuss how much petroleum product Daryl Hannah uses… I could power a Somoli village for 100 years with what she consumes in one day.
IMO, Daryl Hannah is another Hollywood dimwit who is trying to make up for her monstrous “carbon footprint” (bigger by far than that of any ordinary working citizen) by participating in rainbows-and-unicorns protests. How many of us can hop on a private jet and go anywhere we want any time we please? And yet, you see these oh-so-caring celebrities do it all the time in the name of environmentalism. What a joke.
Actually, I think Hanna is one of the very few who at least make an attempt to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. I think she is silly and misguided but I respect her for the attempt to lead by example.
Then she shouldn’t be working in movies or TV, considering how much petroleum and electricity the medium requires.
I would like to know how Daryl Hannah traveled to Washington D.C. to attend this protest. Did she walk? Did she ride a horse?
She probably flew into D.C., probably in first class*. She likely stayed in some multiroom hotel suite with the A/C set to some comfortably cool level. I doubt she took the Metro to get from the airport to her hotel, or hotel to the White House.
*Yes, this matters … first class implies less passenger density, which implies greater emissions per passenger.
Anastasia,
I am confused by your analysis of petroleum products being dinosaurs. If not petroleum then what – solar, wind, biodiesel, algae, nuclear fusion or something else? All of the alternatives mentioned are not able to scale up to provide energy to the USA. I have a car that runs on biodiesel but I don’t think that is a viable solution for the US. I have a solar panel on my roof but I don’t think the solar industry can provide that many solar panels for America. It would be good if you could define an alternate energy source that can scale up to very large proportions to supply the USA.
Oil remains the cheapest alternative even at these prices. An oil pipeline from Canada seems sensible. I would rather give my money to the Canadians than to the Saudis. That seems to be a step in the right direction. Perhaps a nuclear power plant or two or three in the USA can be another step in the right direction.
Another step in the right direction would be a change in regulatory/tax policy but that’s just too much ask.
Of course greens prefer the oil come the Socialist-Moslem alliance. It’s their side. Why fund Canadian capitalists by buying oil when you can fund anti-Western, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic terrorism? It’s a no-brainer for them.
Oh, and Obama isn’t the leader of the Free World: not in his own mind, not in anyone’s.
Anastasia doesn’t need oil; she takes the bus.
http://failblog.org/2008/02/14/who-needs-oil/
Anastasia: You are so misinformed (willfully?) that you have no business having children, let alone grandchildren. “Geologists have made clear” that our current supplies “won’t last a generation”????
That’s so ridiculous it must have come from Al Gore. Or Michael Moore. Do yourself a favor and do your own research about oil reserves. You really made a fool of yourself with that comment.
Hmm…last less that a generation huh?…North America has more hydrocarbon reserves than any other cuntry in the world. I guess the mermaid wants to make sure the US keeps it till the Saudi’s run out in about 100 years from now so we can sell ours it to them for the next 200.
I think they call that Imbecile’s Oil.
She wants us to focus on options that leave petroleum products behind like the dinosaurs they are…
Do you have any idea how many things in life are “petroleum products”? The very keyboard you’re tying on is a petroleum product. Most all plastics are petroleum based. Pie in the sky is admirable, but get real. Let’s make everything that is now plastic out of wood. Oh, wait, that will wipe out forests. Let’s make it all metal. Oh, wait, that will cause too much mining. Please, try thinking a little.
Makes you wonder, do people in hollywood know how to read?
So, please fill in the blank for me: “We could replace petroleum and products manufactured from petroleum derivatives with ___________________.”
Anastasia says “…it has been made clear by geologists that they will not even last a generation more” That is not only not true but the opposite has been proven. New extraction techniques have opened up more resources than were ever avaialble before. There is plenty of oil and natural gas available at our current rate of consumption for hundreds of years into the future. In fact it is possible that the Earth continues to produce oil that may be available for millenia.
“It is a waste of money and resources for us to continue to pursue petroleum products when it has been made clear by geologists that they will not even last a generation more. We need to focus on the future -now.
I want my grand children to be driving cars that are “clean” rather than paying $100 a gallon for fuel. That is a joke, but if you think about how the costs of fuel have gone up in the last 3 years, and you multiply that by 25, then you are planning the rediculous when you invest in creating more oil pipelines.”
It’s tough to take someone serious when they show an appalling lack of knowledge of economics. The entire reason we burn oil now is because it is cheaper than everything else. Well before gas hits $100/GAL a number of alternative fuels come into play. As they are scaled up, the price for them will go down. However, it is still much cheaper to use oil. And what geologists have made clear that oil will not last another generation? Known reserves continue to grow. Eventually they will start to come down, and that’s when econ101 kicks in. Not to mention that if oil runs out in a generation, then by definition the grand kids will not be using it.
@ Anastasia
“It is a waste of money and resources for us to continue to pursue petroleum products when it has been made clear by geologists that they will not even last a generation more.”
Your geologists haven’t been keeping up. There are now known deposits of shale gas and oil in the US good for 100 years or more. A “generation” is about 30 years.
After that, they’ll no doubt find more or something else. Technology marches ever onward.
“Reagan banned offshore drilling and Obama is trying to open it up again, which is terrible,”
Right, we need this drilling done by China in international waters.. because China’s environmental controls and environmental watchdog agencies are so much better than those in the US it’s worth the extra risk and CO2 to then ship the oil to the US.
If only China weren’t so much better than the EPA and US environmental groups we would do the drilling here to have it better controlled… but we just can’t compete.
Or was there some other reason we want Venezuela, Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia doing the drilling for the good of the global environment? I can’t see any other logical argument.
Hannah, like Ed Begley Jr., is the real deal, regardless of whether you agree with her or not.
I thought the same thing, how did she get there? Perhaps her bio-diesel El Camino?
Poor Anastasia doesn’t get it. Same with peak oil proponents. The best thing to do is use the cheapest fuel possible. This will allow the greatest increase in standard of living and wealth creation as possible. As we consume all the oil and real reserves diminish, the price of oil will increase. When scarcity causes the cost of oil to be greater than something else, then we will all switch to the something else.
In the meantime, all the wealth creation through lower energy costs will allow us to invest in reducing the cost of acquiring the next best source of energy at a later date. Oil will no longer be the preferred source of energy.
I think they call it economics.
Exactly!
You’ve put the situation into a very clear, conscise form and explained precisely how and when alternate energy will make sense: when it is cheaper to generate than oil.
That’s really all there is to it.
Now if only we could get the environmentalists to understand this and accept that it is the only way things will – or should – work….
Conservatives aren’t in favour of polution or opposed to using different energy sources. We’re not monsters and we’re not against progress. We simply want things to make economic sense.
No one in his right mind pays the equivalent of $10 or $50 or $100 per gallon for solar or wind or whatever when oil is much cheaper than that. As soon as alternatives are cheaper than oil – which is almost inevitable given that we will eventually run out of cheap oil – then that form of energy will become dominant. No one will have to stage a revolution or pass a law either, the new energy source will take over as soon as it becomes more cost-effective. That’s how free markets work (if you let them)!
“It is a waste of money and resources for us to continue to pursue petroleum products when it has been made clear by geologists that they will not even last a generation more.”
You obviously have not been paying attention over the past decade. There is enough oil available for centuries now that techniques and technology allows us to access fields that were considered un-drillable. Canada alone can supply the US’s needs for hundreds of years.
But to address your bigger point. What do you suggest we replace oil with TODAY? Unfortunately there is nothing that can do it. This is why lefties are so maddening on this issue. Instead of the logical and responsible solution of investing in oil production ethically while better solutions emerge–we’re 50 to 100 years from having a viable oil replacement, and there are many, many companies working on solutions– they imaging that wishing it so will make it so. It won’t.
Anastasia—-Barnett Shale, Bakken Shale, Eagle Ford Shale, Niobrara Shale, Fayetteville Shale, Haynesville Shale, Smackover Brown Dense, Deep Water Gulf, Alaska, California and many others. If you people, wherever you are, want to believe that solar and wind are in any position to provide any significant amount of energy that normal people can afford, then do so. But don’t expect the rest of us to believe you are sane. And the pipeline will also help move oil from the Bakken and other producing areas in the Midwest to the Gulf refineries. And how is it a waste of money to produce oil, since it doesn’t cost the government anything? Plus, hundreds of billions of dollars in taxes are paid by producers, owners, investors and consumers of petroleum. Win..win!
The facts speak for themselves. Solar and wind are not consistent, too expensive to produce, too expensive to consume, and provide no jobs in the US. The companies that produce wind and solar products are mostly in CHINA. And that is the major country that would benefit from the US Government FORCING people to use solar and wind. And furthermore, why in the world would we want to throw away TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS of resources when we are BROKE? Got that? BROKE!!!!!!!!We have thrown away a few trillion on fake stimulus, two or three wars, lavish welfare and retirement, and on and on. We can no longer afford to be stupid.
Hannah, being a celebrity, is a member of the new noble class. The rules for the proles do not apply to them; they will get their fuel and fly as they please
Rules are for commoners
“Alternative Energy”? What, exactly is that?
GeoThermal? Practical in a major way only in Iceland and Hawaii, limited elsewhere. Attempts to develop really deep geothermal wells kept running into the little problem of triggering earthquakes. Liability concerns have killed that research.
Hydropower? All the good sites in the US have already been developed, and besides, the greens hate dams.
Wind? Not really green, and expensive to boot.
Solar? Neither photovoltacs nor thermal concentrating is viable.
Nuclear? The greens won’t even admit that it counts as low-carbon.
Peak Oil has been hyped for 140 years, and adaption will happen better when it’s not forced by central command.
A little research and you would have read that she drove her TransAm that has been converted to run on alcohol.
I had lots of friends with Trans Ams that ran on alcohol when I was a teenager.
Uh, Ed, I think it was your friends that were running on alchohol, not their cars
Well, from the McLuhanesque point of view that tools are an extension of man’s brain (or the lack thereof in this case), you could definitely say their cars were running on alcohol.
Or maybe McLuhan was the one who was drinking to come up with such a theory?
So thanks to legislators who think like Anatasia, we’ve pissed away billions on Texas windmills that can’t take up the load when we need A/C in an August heat wave, and gas is $3.60 a gallon.
Anastasia, YOU pedal YOUR wind-up car to work, and leave me the hell alone.
Based on the 10 minutes I spent on Bing searching for proven oil reserves (in 2009 about 1.3 trillion barrells according to the Energy Information Administration) and world oil consumption (about 96 million barrels per day according to the CIA World Factbook), that equates to about 37 years worth of oil in deposits that are currently known. New technologies will most likely be developed that will allow us to tap even more reserves, boosting that number. I’m certainly not an expert, but it seems the notion that we’ll soon run out of oil is incorrect. No one I’ve heard wants to abandon research into alternative energy to focus on oil. This is a false choice posed by Liberals. Why not do both? It’s foolish to think we’ll be able to move away from oil anytime soon. We need to continue to recover as much oil as we can to use in the time it takes us to find large scale alternatives to oil. To block use of oil from Canada that is needed now and will be needed for many years to come only ensures we pay more and enrich countries that do not have our best interests in mind.
“It is a waste of money and resources for us to continue to pursue petroleum products when it has been made clear by geologists that they will not even last a generation more.”
And which geologists are those? The “Peak Oil” types who told us earlier that oil was already supposed to be gone by now? I’ve never understood, why we even refer to them as fossil fuels, unless of course someone is silly enough to believe that the processes which created oil, gas and coal in the first place – organic life dying and being covered over with sediment – all stopped millions of years ago, which is unlikely. Not to mention that technology advances and newer and more efficient methods of extracting oil, gas, and coal have been developed.
“We need to focus on the future – now.”
And what do you suggest we do – in the present – while we’re waiting for the future to arrive?
Clearly, the goal of environmental activism is to diminish freedom. Everything is about increasing the power of the state while reducing choice and opportunity. Very little actually results in reducing fossil fuel use, and often exacerbates it due to their idiotic policy choices.
Case in point: Germany is going to turn off their nuclear power (in fear of major earthquakes and tsunami which never occur there) and replace it with coal burning plants (Germany has lots of coal). And the Greens see this as a victory. Irony meter pegged.
In Los Angeles, these clowns have stopped the process of replacing coal plants with natural gas plants, and convince the school district to put expensive windmills in places with no wind.
If they really want to picket, try picketing Al Gore’s house, or the hillside rape megamansion project that Tom Brady and (environmental activist) Gisele Bündchen are conducting in sensitive habitat overlooking Los Angeles.
Anastasia, I don’t think were enough science courses in your Women’s Studies program.
And in the department of “You just can’t make this stuff up”, Solyndra, the San Francisco solar startup touted by Obama, with loan guarantees of $535,000,000.00 by the Dept. of Energy, announced today that it is declaring bankrupcy and laying off 1,100 people. The irony for Anastasia must be palpable.
Anastasia, when you need to eat today, do you invest in the current food production and distribution system or do you ensure that it no longer produces or delivers food for you now while you wait for that hydroponic farm to produce, the one that runs on star light and cosmic rays and is sure to grow corn and vegetables in sand in freezing temperatures?
It’s great to hope there will be some great new source of energy that will allow your grandchildren to drive “clean” cars but that energy isn’t available just now. Are you planning to park your car and put it up on blocks right now? Of course not, but you will doubtless support all measures to make fossil fuel as scarce as possible. Theoretically, that is. When it actually gets scarce, you’ll scream bloody murder and forget your support for all that made it scarce.
As of today, you get to write silly stuff about quite hypothetical future clean cars and get all the cheap fossil fuel you need for whatever you want to do at any time and in any place.
Jumping out of an airplane without a parachute isn’t leadership. Leadership is moving to a better source of energy when it’s been demonstrated to be technically and economically feasible — and hanging on to the plane as long as you don’t have that parachute strapped on. Moaning about a parachute that hasn’t been invented or loaded on the plane is a waste of all our time.
When trendy actors become box office poison they often resort to leftist histrionics in order the get the attention they crave. She can now get fat speaking engagement fees to tell the undergrads of the Womyn’s Communist Collective at Wellesley all about her “activism”. They’re all activists nowadays, aren’t they?
Oil reserves aside, there are vast quantities of methane/water clathrites. I was became intrigued by this substance years ago in lab.
My Wife’s first cousin works for a major oil driller in the gulf. About ten years ago I was having a cold one with him and slipped in this little question; Hey, what about clathrites? Are ya’ll looking into that?. He was visibly shocked. I suppose he didnt know at that time that very many people were aware that clathrites existed. He admitted in hushed tones, like it was a state secret, that yes, they had built two rigs for experimenting with clathrite extraction.
I have no idea how much clathrite is out there, but it would be a safe bet that it exceeds all the oil ever extracted, and all the oil yet to be extracted.
– about oil sands is that she’s got her head stuck in them.
Two things:
1) Oil is NOT dead dinosaurs, and the supply is far from being exhausted, and Canadian oil doesn’t finance the subjugation of women and the boinking of young boys by their rich uncles.
2) Daryl Hannah still looks great, especially if you like giantesses.
Look at all the new jobs our President created today in the Oil Industry.
In Russia.
From todays Anchorage Daily News: “Russia, Exxon Mobil strike deal for Arctic offshore oil drilling
Read more: http://www.adn.com/2011/08/30/2039827/russia-exxon-mobil-strike-deal.html#ixzz1WeLIV0X7
“Russia’s state-owned Rosneft teamed up with U.S. company Exxon Mobil on Tuesday in a multibillion-dollar deal to develop offshore oil fields in the Russian Arctic — one of the last regions with immense and untapped hydrocarbon deposits.”
“Because Rosneft does not have its own technology for deep sea drilling, it was looking for partners to develop the offshore projects in the Arctic and other regions of Russia.”
“…the “strategic partnership” with Exxon was signed in the presence of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin…Rosneft, which is 75 percent owned by the Kremlin…”
And not a single mention in the story of Arctic Ice Melt, Greenhouse Gasses, AGW, Endangered Polar Bears, Threatened Walruses, or Beleaguered Beluga’s.
Drilling for oil only has a negative impact on the environment if it happens in the United States. I thought everyone knew that….
But seriously, doesn’t this tell us something in very big letters? If Obama is all in favor of Brazil or Russia drilling for oil but loathes the idea within the United States, he simply wants the other countries to grow strong as they exploit their own oil and make money from selling it to us while he wants the United States to be dependent on foreigners to keep the wheels turning here. Then, one day, the foreigners will turn off the tap – or threaten to – and we will probably have to cave in to their demands. The national petroleum reserve is only sufficient to keep us running for a few weeks.
Obama doesn’t care about the environment at all, it’s just a pretence. Otherwise, he’d be just as alarmed about the impact on the air, water, global warming, polar bears or whatever in foreign countries as in America.
I gotta say it, “celebrities, what don’t they know.”
Well, I guess showing up in front of the White House to “demo,” get very publicly arrested, and to get a little free publicity and/or try to revive your career beats getting on “Dancing With The Stars,” and having to work your ass off, non-stop, for 12-15 weeks or so.
As A Canadian living in the US I found Ms. Hannah’s protest to be highly amusing – an example of the Hollywood elite bleating about things they know nothing about.
On the radio clip I heard this morning, she began her tirade with the phrase “Let’s stamp out slavery”. Where is this slavery which she protests? At the oil sands in Alberta? My brother is a welder who goes there a few months every year. For three (3) months work he can pocket $50,000. Would that we were all slaves.
The pipeline jobs are all similar high paying jobs: welders, heavy equipment operators, truck drivers, technicians. I suppose there is nothing worse to a Democrat than to create high paying, some union type jobs. Then there are the support jobs – caterers, mechanics and the such. Also jobs with high earning potential. Again, are these people slaves?
Then there is Alberta’s oil sand supply. Frankly, America, the luster is wearing off your friendship with Canada, and there is no province that is a bigger supporter of the USA than Alberta. If you want to piss and moan about Alberta’s oil industry, kiss our ass. China wants to buy it all anyway. Alberta doesn’t need to put up with your libtard crap any more.
Ms. Hannah should stick to flashing her breasts in lousy movies. Now there’s slavery.
As an American living in Canada, I agree…..Ms. Hanna wasn’t that good an actress when she had a career, and now she’s just demonstrating her lack of common sense and personally disgusting morals.
WRT Alberta oilsands, the only complaint I have about the pipeline is that it should be moving REFINED oil products, not crude oil. Build the refinery in Alberta, give more Canadians high paying jobs, and sell the product for what it’s worth.
“If you want to piss and moan about Alberta’s oil industry, kiss our ass. China wants to buy it all anyway.”
Of course there is the little problem that the enviro-nuts who want to shut down Keystone are also working overtime to block the route over the Rockies to the Pacific. They have been dragging not a few First Nationers along for the ride as well. The Ethical Oil campaign is as much for local consumption above the 49th as down here.
Agreed, though, whoever wants to buy the stuff more is who you should sell to.
“Ms. Hannah should stick to flashing her breasts in lousy movies. Now there’s slavery.”
Let me digress here for a moment. You are right, these Hollywood actresses are slaves. That’s why I think they defend someone like Roman Polanski’s antics and not the victim. They all had to endure the right of passage of sleeping with the director, unless they came from a powerful Hollywood family; yes, Ms. Barrymore, I’m looking at you. So they think that some ungrateful little upstart that would complain about being defiled by a famous diretor to be a betrayal of the process. “Why shouldn’t she pay her dues like the rest of us.” They think.
This ruins their ability for rational thought later in life.
Who is Daryl Hannah?
Here is more on that demonstration: http://meteorologicalmusings.blogspot.com/2011/08/sacrifice-for-thee-but-not-for-me.html
…and this is my other brother, Daryll…
Scary thought. Hannah is slightly brighter than a root vegetable, and brighter than most Hollywood liberals.
We can leave oil behind. BUT…we would also have to leave behind – far behind- anything resembling the lifestyle we know today.
Only the news media and chattering class give a hoot about Hannah’s silly pronouncements. And only because they believe some of the ignorant masses will add to their ratings. I doubt 10% of my neighbors would recognize her name and only 40% would recognize her face. How is it that being attractive and making a couple of movies that hardly anyone remembers makes her a highly qualified political pundit?
I guess it works. I wasted time writing this response.
Daryl Hannah probably doesn’t realize that her plane runs on petroleum, nor that her food, any synthetic clothing, her house is painted with, her cosmetics, her detergents, her hair care products, the shingles on her roof, etc ad nauseum are all products of petroleum. I doubt she realizes that all of the products that she uses every day either come from or are transported via petroleum products. Unless she uses pure cotton or wool etc underwear she is wearing oil all over her skin every day. Eeeewww, oil underwear Daryl, how can you stand it?
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A darling, darling woman pitifully wasting her time and talents on a bad leftist cause.
Liberals and eco-nuts seem to want to drop oil FIRST, then somehow figure out what to replace it with. No new drilling. No new pipelines. Down with Big Oil. OK, what then? Our civilization runs on oil. Switching to something else could take decades. Every single device that requires fuel, electricity, or lubrication will have to be redesigned. We’ll also have to find substitutes for plastics, solvents, paints, synthetic rubber, and a million other things. And liberals and eco-nuts have no idea how to solve any of these problems. I’ll take them more seriously when they have an actual plan, not a vague attitude.
hey thats a name I haven’t hear of in a while.. wasn’t her last job one of the achimps in Planet of the Apes?
Why this sagging “star” of a woman, formerly bling bling for a dead Presidents playboy son…is taken seriously is the question? Why give this pitiful loon one second of air time?
Now…her opposition to this is a …BEETLE”! Yes…..some damn bug that she’s worried about but normal folks don’t have an intimate relationship with like this “star” does! Something that we probably spray, swat or run over with our GoodYears 11 billion times a day. But…she says it must be..MUST BE SAVED. Meanwhile…down Texas way…there’s some serious drilling going on again…enough of it to see that we can rid / free ourselves of our Arab masters and slavers.
But…there’s a damn LIZARD…that’s now …endangered. Needless to say…..the LIZARD has a range of like 10,000 gazillion square miles and where the drilling is….might annoy about 3 or 4 of them LIZARDS. Even the experts say that those damn LIZARDS….might just move on cause they’re annoyed by those new oil seeking neighbors!
Then…..just a few days ago we thought that there were about a million or so species of animals, plants, dung, fauna, flowers or bacteria floating around free and happy. Only to find out that there may be ( MILLION or MORE we don’t even know of completely!!!
Then we haver the nuts who for the last 50 damn years….insist that we’ll run out of oil in 10 years. Never mind Brazil….never mind Israel….never mind Canada…never mind that trillions of barrels are discovered every year. But the fly’s bats, lizards, beetles and silly old Hollywood flakes still insist…..that we develop bat farts, fish feces, bird burps and unicorn excrement as the source of our energy.
Odd that the first poster was as much an airhead as the subject of the article.
– JFK, Jr. But then, so do we all. Had he not flown that day, he would be President, not the Pretenda from Kenya…
What happens when all that gas and or oil comes in contact with the lava under Yellowstone?
Anyone consider that it might be a good idea to use up everyone else’s oil before we tap more of our own?