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Elliot Rodger has made a name for himself, just as he wished. All over the internet, writers and journalists are speculating about why he killed himself and six other people. Over at Slate, writer Amanda Hess has even lowered the bar to blaming the Pick-Up Artists and associated others for turning Rodger into a killer. She denies this a bit in her piece, of course, perhaps to make her argument look more legitimate, but blame them she does:

I do not blame the Pick-Up Artist community (or its somehow even more deeply tortured counterpart, the Anti-Pick-Up-Artist community) for the deaths of seven people. The man who committed this horrific crime is responsible for this heinous act. But I was interested to see how these groups are reacting to the news. It is disturbing, if not surprising, that they are using these murders to reinforce their hatred of women and “Beta” men, and to cement their own status at the top of the pyramid.

Why did seven people die in Santa Barbara last night? It would be wrong to pin the crime on Internet forums that indulge in self-hatred, then project it on to everyone else. But they’re certainly not the solution. Misogyny and violence against women is a social problem as well as an individual one. The fact that these men see “game” as the remedy to all personal and social ills is perhaps the greatest indictment of the way they view the world.

As many people have pointed out, Rodger killed more men than women, including himself. Of course, the men he killed don’t count; the main story here is that women were targeted and it makes for a more sympathetic story. Also, writers like Hess above can use the killings to really stick it to Pick-Up Artist types that she sees as deserving of blame. It’s all political fodder.

Judgy Bitch makes the best interpretation I have seen thus far:

The fact is that Elliot’s outburst does indeed highlight an issue of central importance to the MHRM – the inadequate, almost non-existent treatment of mental health problems for young men. Socially, our treatment seems to be to wait until the tortured young man puts a bullet in his own head, and just pray that he doesn’t take innocent victims with him.

As a strategy for health, it’s not working very well.

Compare that to how we respond to women who are mentally fragile after giving birth. We screen for Post Partum Depression and throw money and resources into keeping both the women and their children safe, because if we don’t do that, a lot of babies will end up dead. Women struggle with mental issues, too, and take it out on the innocent. But rather than ignore those women and hope for the best, we create programs designed to identify and help them.

Perhaps it is the feminists and their supporters who block funding and education going to boys’ and men’s issues that are to blame. Case in point? Warren Farrell tried to give a talk in Toronto about suicide in young men and other topics and was accosted by nasty feminists who did not want him to speak.

As a psychologist who has worked with men and boys for over 20 years, I can say that our society is devoid of programs and help for mental health issues for men or we try to give help that is not helpful. We focus on women and forget that boys and men have problems too. Instead of blaming Pick-Up Artists, or feminists for that matter, why don’t we look for real solutions when it comes to men and boys who feel desperate enough to harm others? Perhaps then, we will be on our way to reducing these mass killings.

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I watched his video and his major complaint was that girls weren't interested in him and he wasn't getting laid. I also know that his parents did try to help and had him to therapists and what not. None of it helped because this kid was living in fantasy land.

In the real world, this kid felt powerless and discarded. In his fantasy world he was the final authority, he was the one who decided who would live and who would die. In his fantasy world he had ALL of the power and he intended to wield it against all of the girls that failed to recognize his greatness as well as wield it against all of the guys who were able to have sex with said girls.

I don't even know how you begin to fix such a broken personality and I am not going to blame anyone but that kid for his actions. However, it's clear that he had some very negative experiences with girls that were either imagined or real that he fixated on in the development of his personality.

The thing is, my guess would be that there were girls that were interested in him before he turned into what he became. My guess is that he never paid any attention to the girls that tried to show interest and instead focused on the girls that weren't interested. My guess is that he was a hypocrite who disregarded the girls he felt were beneath him in the same exact way that he believed that the girls he desired disregarded him. In fact, I believe he projected his own attitudes about the girls he felt were beneath him onto the girls he desired but was unsuccessful at getting.

There is a reason that manners, polite behavior, and kindness are important: You never know what kind of person you are dealing with and you never know how your words will affect them - especially when you are unable to truthfully respond in kind to someone who expresses interest or feelings for you. Kindness can't fix a broken personality, but it may be able to postpone its further development or at least challenge the negative assumptions that person has going in.
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Crazy feminists are going nuts on Twitter with the "not all men" stuff. It's pretty clear they have no idea of what the basis for all law is. Not exactly an argument for equality. Lucky for them I don't buy into their own argument, because I understand the most radical feminists have mental health issues. No way a normal human goes after men like that. On the other hand they dismiss the idea this guy was nuts, and just say it's misogyny, business as usual. If I knew a single woman like that, I'd run, not walk away.

They also don't seem to realize that if all men are responsible for, for example, 1600 women killed a year by men they know, exactly how do women get to go away clean hands doing 700 men a year? Is this a math challenge? Should I be saying women need to speak up? Of course not. No one's responsible for the crimes of another, or most of the country would be in lock up.

Of course the great irony here is that by feminist logic, it is men who have created the entire law enforcement culture that deals with crime. No credit for that, more hypocrisy. Men are never right with these people, and that's how you know they're crazy bigots.

Law blames the criminal, and anyone who thinks "talking about it" or holding signs is going to abort crime is nuts, and so are radical feminists.
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I read his 'manifesto' and was struck by the seemingly passive way he was raised by his parents, especially his father. I divorced when my kids were small, but would never have allowed them to spend time at their dad's house is he wasn't around. Their step-mom cares but only to a point. This one seems like she wasn't very helpful to this kid.

Also, why weren't these parents teaching social skills and sex ed? The boy claimed he hit puberty and had no idea about sex. What? To me that is parental neglect.

Also, if my son had posted a you tube video that was troubling, I would be there in a heartbeat, banging down his door myself, and following up regularly. This kid suffered from LONLINESS first and foremost. Everything else flowed from there...

The availability of mental health care for young men very much depends on identifying the problem to begin with. My opinion is that if the parents aren't attentive, the kid with mental health issues will be lost regardless of how well society addresses the issues.
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No amount of money will fix this problem. The problem is structural. As long as men are punished by society and by women for being good rather than for being evil good men will feel victimized by society and many of them will become violent because of it. The worldly media which includes "pick-up-culture" has taught men that only alpha males are deserving of female attention, especially exclusive attention. Film especially idolizes masculine strength, violence, and dominance over other men, showing men being rewarded for it with sex. This HAS to stop. Good men with kind hearts and average features should be shown as being desirable. Furthermore mental health will not improve until we remove the stigma from seeking help for it, but we are going in the opposite direction with gun laws and background checks for employment punishing those who seek help and with medical records no longer being private because of obama care. There are going to be more and more of these cases as more and more men deal with the psychological trauma of a socialist society that punishes good and rewards evil. Communists call it "reactionary" and that's what it is. Men are being pushed psychological into a corner and are at the breaking point and mental health professionals are being used to "manage" those men who are tired of being pushed or have already broken. Men are expected to stay silent as they are whipped across the back day after day and if they don't they are committed or imprisoned, their wives and children stolen, and their property seized. See history : communist Russia. Eliot Rogers was an ordinary murderer. He was not crazy. He was not irrational. His writings show incredible self-awareness. He simply made the choice to commit murder because he felt like he had been wronged. That is first degree murder. It happens every day. It's communist mental health professionals that invented the disciplines of "sociology" and "criminology" and "psychiatry" to excuse murderers. There is no deeper answer here. He was a killer. Plain and simple.
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Guess what everyone, the MRM is apparently a terrorist organization: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/classify-mens-rights-movement-terrorist-group/W5018W63
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I normally love judgybitch and agree with her on most things, but...this guy had a ton of therapy. He'd been going to therapy since he was eight and had more than one therapist at the time he went doo-lally. I do think that mental health treatment for men is underfunded, but that wasn't the case here.

I think a more pertinent question might be whether therapy really is a good mental health measure, or does it do more harm than good.
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The question we ought to be wondering is how is that such degrees of hate or feeling of belittlement amongst men that have led to some forums championing and applauding individuals such as Elliot Rodger and to what degree the killer's actions represent seething tensions amongst men who feel that are on some level are being oppressed by women, when our society often reminds us that it is women who are being oppressed…..

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/05/elliot-rodger-hailed-a-hero-on-puahate-women-hating-pick-up-artist-site/
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The fact that this wackadoodle had probably spent 15 years getting thoroughly effed up by the mental health industrial complex -- one story said he was 7 y.o. when his parents divorced, and that's probably when his maltreatment started -- is a not exactly the best endorsement for even *more* of this destructive voodoo.

We'd probably do better going back to saying people were possessed by demons.

At least nobody is proposing anything which could ever remotely get these guys laid, so it's just a matter of time til the next one.

This is viewed as acceptable collateral damage, so nothing substantive and concrete will be done.
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Gun Control advocates are now pressing for legislation, on a national level, for "better controls and background checks." ATF Form 4473 (5300.9) Part I Rev april 2012 item f. specifically states if an "over-the-counter-purchaser" of any firearm AND ammunition has any history, care, adjudicated, under specific doctors care and/or taking some form of related medication treating mental illness answer YES or NO. This individual (or maybe the store owner himself) filled in this space with a NO. Otherwise, the background check would have been denied. So, enforcement, once again, seems to be the one major crack in this carefully erected barrier of protections, designed to make mentally disturbed nut cases, stopped dead in their tracks from purchasing firearms AND/OR Ammunition. Pray. Amen. God Bless America. Join a Tea Party. Register to vote and vote. Has nothing to do with the color of any individuals skin, nor their age. Now, once in the home, YES, it is that residences occupants responsibility to make every effort, insuring that weapon is secure, safe, and adequately stored away from prying eyes, loose hands and above all deranged human beings.
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Let's face the facts. Men, particularly white males. and little boys are under attack in today's pro feminist society. Just look at the little second grader who was escorted to the principal's off ice for doing an assignment that he was told to do, but was disciplined because his answer didn't match the paranoia of the "teacher" about guns. This this isn't the only instance of this either. Somehow political correctness demands that little boys act like little girls--no rough sports, no typical male thinking, no typical male behavior --just meld into the wallpaper and disappear. While demanding sensitivity for our males, Feminazis give no quarter to those who reject wussufucatuion and do exactly what little boys should do. I know that men and males in general can act like boors, but allowing little boys to be boys isn't such a bad idea. We can refine them later, when they can understand why.
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We can refine them later, when they can understand why.

Or they can refine themselves if they wish a certain kind of company or not if they don't.
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I read his "manifesto". It seems he had an absent father in his life from his perspective. Plus he had signs (a lot of signs) he was going to do this and his parents would throw money at him or things that are designed to "fix" him.
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Thank you for a post that is human and humane, in the face of the reverse.
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If a person whom I believed to be mentally ill said the sky was green, I would not feel the need to contradict. I would probably nod and keep going. In the same way, I do not understand these women on social media who say they will have the last word. Read a bit of his manifesto. This guy was not of sound mind. Why do you need the last word against a crazy person?

At this point the only conversation we need is how are we going to get help for these young people before they do harm?

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