What will the Future World Look Like if Sexbots Replace Real Women?
Chateau Heartiste (AKA Roissy) has a provocative post called “Porn Is A Portent Of Sexbotopia” that I read with interest:
Sexbots. The very word sends chills down the spines of low sexual market value women. They fear competition or, worse, replacement….
Sexbots that can simulate real women are still one silicone foot in the fantasy world, but the tech is rapidly progressing. Whoever said necessity is the mother of invention was wrong; the male sex drive is the mother of invention. (Though, I suppose you could argue that satisfying the male sex drive IS necessity.) So, for now, the agog crowd can rest easy that no major sexbot invasion is about to storm our shores….
What sexbots will do is widen the already growing chasm between the sexes, until only the fittest of the fit — and fitness is whatever gets one’s genes to the next generation, whether beneficial to civilization or not — can successfully leap across it to woo a human companion in the way that our genetic overlord intended.
When I was researching for my forthcoming book, I found (with the help of Vox Day) that the 80/20 rule really applied. 20% of the alpha males were getting about 80% of the women. Those men who have more trouble getting women turn to porn and seem to ignore or be oblivious to women. I wonder how Sexbots will further change the landscape?
What do you think? Will Sexbots be an asset or libility to men in the future? What about to society? These are the important questions.
If we’re assuming androids that are behaviorally programmable, but otherwise indistinguishable from natural women (even to the extent of producing offspring perhaps), then we’ll see some significant cultural turbulence. Beta and Omega males will end up opting for the sexbots rather than put up with the incessant rejections they’ve had to endure previously. Every man will be able to have his perfect woman. Women will want such machines outlawed of course, especially those who either have no chance against them, or those who don’t want to see their sexual privileges threatened.
Assuming the sexbots cannot reproduce (and would their offspring be sexbots if female and completely human if male? That kind of technology implies a society that will be substantially alien to our own I think.) then natural women might well go extinct. Then again, there’s no reason you couldn’t have *male* sexbots for women (which wouldn’t address the reproduction issue, but that’s what cloning is for!). You could end up with a highly segregated society, true matriarchy on the one hand and true patriarchy on the other. Probably you’d have some (likely religious) communities that reject sexbots altogether.
Whether such technology rendered the species extinct or not depends on a whole raft of assumption about its capabilities. Probably by the time such tech is possible, we’ll be able to eliminate all physical issues that detract from individual *physical* attractiveness for much less than the cost of a sexbot, so the main appeal of such machines will be the behavioral programming, which could lead to people competing to have more attractive personalities, which would be a nice change:-).
Interstingly enough there was an anime series called Armitage III that explores such themes (with Kiefer Sutherland and Juliette Lewis providing the english voiceovers for the most recent version).
There was one commenter on the thread who basicially mentioned Reverse-Cyborgs being more viable and practical sexbots due to them possessing a advanced synthetic or artificial brain with human plumbing (allowing them to procreate and continue the human race as well as being human emotionally as well as physically) instead of a human brain in a synthetic casing, which I find to be a much more acceptable alternative than a clichéd inferior battery-powered or rechargable sexbot.
We’ll have to wait and see if such human-like sexbots come into being and Shana 3.0 replaces wannabe-lilith Eve 2.0, who in turn replaced the original Lilith 1.0.
Does Dr. Helen even realise how many men masturbate-and how often-even in sexualy fullfilling marriages?
Sexbots sound AWESOME!!!
I don’t think she has a clue. Most women pretend to ignore the male sex drive in a marriage because they aren’t so sexually driven and are inherently more solipsistic. They don’t want to be bothered after a few years of marriage in most cases. Then US society encourages them to treat it as a pathology as well. I’m one of the 20% and I can see the convenience and ease of sexbots being very attractive. Besides, most women aren’t all that exciting in terms of their company and have a lot of emotional volatility unless they are in awe of you and fear losing your attention. That state is beyond most men’s ability to create amd maintain forever. Most women don’t provide near enough sex to compensate for the mental and emotional effort needed to deal with them. That alone makes the idea of sexbots attractive. This is assuming technology we don’t yet have but that would be virtually indistinguishable from real humans as are common coin in science fiction. There are no more social brakes on womens’ capacity for self indulgence in our society. It would finally liberate the omega and beta men from a life of loneliness and rejection. Women not only reject such men constantly, they seem to want to punish them for even existing on a societal level. It would keep married men from leading a life of quiet desperation and end the balance of power in favor of women in the sexual arena. Breeding will be done with incubation factories by then anyway. It would be revolutionary for men and humbling for women.
“What do you think? Will Sexbots be an asset or libility to men in the future? What about to society? These are the important questions.”
Depends completely on if women remain the same self-serving harridans they are today.
^This, unfortunately. It also depends on whether there is any substantive reform to the area of “family” or domestic law, which drives a huge amount of the risk-reward calculation. If the enormous financial and personal risks (e.g. having your children taken from you, having to raise the children brought about from your wife’s affair) of marriage are reduced, men might become more likely to marry flesh-and-blood women rather than go the sexbot route, should that become available. If the system continues in its current form, then I think marriage will continue to decrease in frequency, and men will be more than happy to look for sexual outlets that are available without hanging the threat of personal and financial ruin over their heads.
This, ditto.
Except, I want my sexbot able to nag, so I can hit the mute button and smile at how good I have it. I do not want to risk forgetting what the harridans are like. I might make a mistake.
Now that I think of it, I would just as soon have a cookbot, since so few women learn to cook, anymore. Maybe a combination of the two. Full-service bot. Cooks you breakfast in the morning after a good night of sex.
And the bot has to bring me my beer.
Gosh this is fun!
Marc FOR THE WIN!!!
And yes, I am a happily married father of four amazing and wonderful children.
Your comment about harridans set me to thinking and comparing the women that I have known and do know here in the U.S. versus the women that I know in Botswana. I spent 6 years there and found the attitudes toward dating and sex to be so much different and favorable, from my perspective as a man. I almost agree with your portrayal of U.S. women as harridans, but not quite. They might become harridans once you are in a committed relationship, but not initially. The young women in Africa can be very forward, or at least very receptive, and really are attractive to a man. They listen or at least fake it. Women in the U.S. seem to think they belong on a pedestal and should be worshiped. This is of course a generalization, but look at the TV shows, the ads, and the culture. I prefer the African lady hands down. And I’m a white man.
You pose a question of enormous proportions. You are touching upon what one Italian theologian has called the nihilism of religious neo-gnosticism. Sounds complicated and it is. There are at least two seeming contradictory tendencies, though they are really like the two sides of the same coin. On the one hand, pansexualism (= any type of sex, just sex and nothing more than sex is called for) becomes an occupier of consciousness to the oblivious denial of reality (particularly the latent inevitablity of death). Pansexualism would seem to bring people literally together. Not necessarily. The other aspect of neo-gnosticism is the de-essentializing of human sexuality, indeed, of the human individuality. There is no normative structure directing sexuality, all is the choice and solely the choice of the individual taken in his/her stripped nakedness to fulfill any type of desire whatsoever. This tendency runs contrary to the unitive impluse of sexualism, yet strengthens the isolating tendencies of neo-gnosticism. With sexrobots, males (and females–I suppose that “women’s rights” will demand an HHS Mandate for male sexbots–excellent contraception) will individualize themselves from the “other” sex and encapule themselves in closed off particularity. The sexbot will be a glorified vibrator designed for advanced masturbation. When an individual male can project his unitive impulses and phantasies upon an inanimate sexbot, well knowing the non-humaness of his partner, the divisive, isolating, de-essentializig moment of nihilistic neo-gnositicism comes to mighty fruition. I think you women, if your sexuality is aimed at satisfying male urges, you will have to get used to a plastic coated kick (or whatever word sounds similar). I end my comment here as I hestitate what will take place in the future. But I do have one seemingly silly question. What happens if a sexbot gets pregnant? Will the children of the future be childbots? There is an undertone of serious in my silly remark.
“What happens if a sexbot gets pregnant? Will the children of the future be childbots?”
In theory, if they are derived from humans or available with human plumbing then the offsprint would in turn be human, since a sexbot capable of giving birth would essentially be a sentient artificial womb.
Sorry, I meant offspring not offsprint.
“The sexbot will be a glorified vibrator designed for advanced masturbation.”
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Sorry to be cynical, but that’s exactly what a lot of women are.
I know that plenty of women have brains and skills outside of manipulating with sex, but that doesn’t change the fact that … that’s exactly what a lot of women are.
Reality, please do not be sorry about being cynical. Just be cynical! Any man (and any woman) who springs about with ever new sexual partners cannot be aware of, let alone be interested in, the feminine (masculine) humanity with which he (or she) is seeking sexual unity. I mentioned an Italian theologian. Well, his name is Massimo Borghesi. His book has not been translated, but carries the title “Secularization and Nihilism. Christianity and Contemporary Culutre”. Cross out Christianity and write in “religion”. Borghesi is dealing with what Ernest Becker years ago called the “denial of death” (which was the name of his book). There is in the VITALITY of sex a surpressing factor such that awareness of death is denied. The ecstatic unitive feelings do occupy or, indeed, overwhelm consciousness and thereby defect awareness of impending “insanity” (Becker’s thesis concerning self-conscious awareness of death) and, hence, deny. I think a lot is in play when sexuality assumes neo-gnostic form. Just a short shot at it.
One aspect of gnosticism, ancient or current, is the downplaying of individual awareness of empirical individuality. Unitive sex between LOVING partners is a sex NOT indifferent to the specificities of the partner. (That goes for homosexuals too.) The Rolling Stones lead singer (I have forgotten his name) brags of having slept with 4000+ women. I saw some years back an interview show here in German tv with a women who was seeking to sell her book “The First 3000″ men that she had slept with. She was seeking to gather material for “The Next 3000″. At that time, a docmentary on sexual pecularities was shown and I watched (with proper blurrings) an American woman take on 300 men, one after the other, to set a world record. No man can do that! What does all this mean for the neo-gnosticizing of sex?
No man nor woman can engage so radically with hundreds of partners and retain awareness of the specific particularites of just one person. All merge together in an amorphous mass of de-individualization. In other words, this incapacity erases awareness of individuality, of one’s own and of the partner(s). And this is a modern form of neo-gnosticism. What about sexbots?
Although mass sex with human partners erases awareness of the partner’s singular uniqueness, it is still a sexuality that is humanized, i.e., between humans. If a male seeks sex with an inanimate object into which he has projected feminine features of humanity, he represents in my view a further step in the direction of de-humanization of sexuality, though still tied to humanity via the projection. (This would also be true for any 3000+ woman.) I am picturing to myself a sort of rainbow-like change from one color to the next until the color of … is reached. I speculate, and no more, that the next step would be to do away with the projection of feminity into an inanimate object such that men (eventually also women) become sexually arosed by the idea of having sex with a machine, however much coated with soft plastic. If such a step is the next one, we will then have a full and total de-humanization of sexuality, yet total absorption into orgasmic ecstacy. Humanity will die! In other words, the final color towards which the rainbow of neo-gnostic sex is heading is “blackness”. Maybe sex of the distant future will be between sexbots and humans will become superfluous. Stuff of science fiction!
I thank you for your comment and I take it to heart. I hope that you never become a “living vibrator” for any man not that you start treating men in the same way.
Very few people ever meet such a woman. I know because I have, however, had I remained with other women I have known and lived with, a sexbot would have become a major outlet in a long marriage. Mystical union and all, most people just aren’t that captivating, dynamic, or bright. Besides, you could have a harem of sexbots, all beautiful and obedient.
I read your comment with sorrow and worry for you. I am not trying to be uppitty here. I make no recommendations, not even for you to develop an intime relation with only one sexbot, get to apprectiate sh/it on a one-to-one basis. A bad marriage or a terrible longterm relationship, especially with a preditory woman, must be hell. But, what are you? Just a penis attached to a human body seeking orgastic satiation with fear of the consequences of interhuman relationships? That is sad. Such a relationship requires no more than just a tinkling sex organ and enough cash for the bash. (And that tinkling does go away with time, just wait.) What seemingly should unite two people, has become a seperative factor leading you to sex in isolation with plastic coated machines. You cannot have a harem of sexbots, just a conglomerate of machines into which you, quite consciously, project humanity while inserting something else. At least there is contact with an imagined humanity and that is good. But that is also an absolute self-lie told by a fool to himself. I find more wisdom in the Russian monks I met on the island of Valaam north of St. P. In essence, their message is the same of the old Roman wisdom, “Vita vanitas vanitatis est”, only with the promise of unitive fulness with transcendence. What I have just written is no doubt bull to you. Personally, I would prefer to go through the rigors of those monks than wander about looking for a “hot” machine to poke. Amen!
Technology will change everything, dramatically so, over the next 100 years.
Whatever was going to change already has.
Since Hitachi introduced the magic wand (1970s in the USA), women have had highly effective sex toys. (Recently, men’s toys have begun to catch up.) Since Al Gore invented the internet, men have had convenient access to escorts.
“What will the Future World Look Like if Sexbots Replace Real Women?”
Great, now were going to be overrun by robot porn. Do you think they’ll play DEVO for background music?
Maybe that explains the Fermi Paradox. The technology to build a perfect but sterile mate is probably far easier than attaining interstellar travel, and it ultimately leads to population collapse and extinction before such a thing is possible.
You know I was wondering that same thing.
To paraphrase: No matter what species; somewhere in the universe there is another being who is completely and utterly sick that being’s shit.
lol.
Frankly the we as the human race have not yet even begun to think about the ramifications of near future technology. Whether sexbots, molecular manufacturing, automated/robotic factories, biorobotic hybrids, etc. The result might be a world that ultimately no longer has a use for humans and where humans are largely superfluous.
Or a world where men and women no longer really either need or want each other except perhaps as a source of genetic material. In which case there really would truly be a Gender War. Larry Niven explored this possibility in a book of his called “A World out of Time”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_World_Out_of_Time
Interesting thought- but there are only two possible UNIVERSAL explanations for the Fermi Paradox.
1. God (or the Great Ghu, Odin, or who/whatever or just random chance) created one, and onlt one, intelligent life, and we are it.
2. Berserkers are real.
Tcobb, that’s an interesting thought. You may be on to something, assuming that intelligence in other intelligent species works generally like it does in humans, and that they reproduce sexually. (Obviously, there is no higher-order species on Earth that reproduces asexually, and I’ve seen some speculation by biologists that such a thing is impossible.) However, my own explanation for the Fermi paradox is the relative scarcity of supernovas in the universe. The reason we haven’t had contact with another intelligent species is, because at this point in the universe’s evolution, there aren’t any.
I know I’ve always wanted one of those remotes like the men had in “The Stepford Wives.”
Sexbots will be a tremendous equalizer for men in the gender wars, and a disaster for women.
Of course, the intimacy of personal human connection will never be replaced by a robot, but women have become so intolerably difficult and selfish, that personal human connection is outweighed by the drawbacks.
Women will have to develop other aspects of themselves to attract men beyond having a vagina. And, will have to start treating their spouses and significant others like human beings.
So in other words, most women are doomed.
I’m not sure what that 80/20 link was saying, or how they got that data. It seemed to say that the successful male had multiple partners. I would say, i na non-polygamous society, the successful male has ONE partner, and he has her for life. (For example, the families in “the Millionaire Next Door”.
There are still many conservative religious groups where almost everyone gets married.
Forget sexbots for a moment. Look at technology that will be available in the next few years.
Education software looks at your click-stream and quiz answers while it tries to build a data model of what you’ve learned and what you have yet to learn. Instead of building a data model for algebra we could build a data model for ‘guy who wants a girlfriend’.
Chatbots have existed for many years; so text communication with the computer ‘woman’ can be programmed today. As the tech behind Apple’s Siri improves the computer ‘woman’ will understand voice as well as text.
Animation software exists that can model and animate the human face (as well as the rest of the body). How much faster do computers need to become before the animation becomes real-time and realistic?
So, 5-10 years from now, some can’t-get-no-sex guy will be able to develop an emotional connection to a computer ‘woman’. The relationships will range from a nice chat after a days work to interactive porn. At the margin, a greater percentage of men will simply drop out of the quest for a real woman.
How many men would have to drop out of that quest before we see social changes? What will those changes be?
An equally interesting question is: what are those women going to do when they wake up at 35 and realize they can’t get an alpha to commit?
The answer so far is that they’ll get knocked up, vote Dem, and turn to the gov’t to force the 80% of ignored men to subsidize their irresponsibility… But what happens when those men say ‘—- it’ and stop working so hard? Why be a chump?
They will be issued taxpayer-subsidized Alpha Provider bots.
The Alpha Provider bot is an ex-convict with tattoos, scars, a motorcycle, and 10,000,000 dollars in the bank.
Through mind-reading, he knows when the woman wants to be complimented and cared for, and when she wants to be thrown up against the wall and ravaged.
The Alpha Provider will be an “untamed beast” when the woman wants, and through her love, he will be tamed.
Then she will dump him at the nearest bot repository and pick up a new one.
Lots of Beta to Omega men have a hard enough time developing relationship skills and this will make things worse. One will see more and more men Going Galt. One is seeing Spengler’s, a.k.a David Goldman, Universal Law of Gender Parity in action:
in every corner of the world and in every epoch of history, the men and women of every culture deserve each other
This option for the 80% of men combined with what it seems women’s infatuation with rakes and unrealistic Byronic archetypes, the billionaire S&M master from that horrid 50 Shades of Grey being the most recent incarnation, that men will never be able to live up to or desire to be will continue to led to a huge mismatch in the dating/marriage market.
Lust is a pretty dark subject and also confusing. This article in Christianity Today provides some interesting insight from a Christian perspective:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/biblestudies/articles/spiritualformation/understandinglust.html
Good article, EscondidoSurfer. Thanks for the link.
Sexbots = Male sexual revolution
Don’t forget the Male Pill.
I think marginally satisfying sexbots would shift the sexual and economic marketplace, much more than the male pill. The male pill still requires the man to meet some standard of a woman to have sex with her. Or, more precisely, for him to have a fairly satisfying sexual experience.
The female pill (and abortion) allowed the woman to mitigate the consequences of having sex whenever they wanted. Truth was, they always could have reasonably satisfying sex with an average looking man who was horny (which describes, roughly, 90% of average looking guys).
With the sexbot, moreso than the Male Pill, mutual sex will now take some “buy in” from the man and more effort from the woman. Otherwise, he can go back and tag Biotech Barbie.
A sexbot that provides a reasonably good sexual encounter means that the women will now have to find a way to compete with “Good sex and no attitude.” Men will have the good stuff from sex and will be able to mitigate the stuff that they’re not interested in. With the male pill, you can still have to engage female bitch shields, flaking, and risk false post-coital rape charges, diseases, and worst of all – hearing about how her cat has, like, a real soul…
“…hearing about how her cat has, like, a real soul…”
Ha! Yup. Brings back some painful memories.
True, though who’s to say the Male Pill applies only human women (assuming sexbots are capable of reproducing)?
You’re correct in that the Male Pill is merely an equalizer (albeit still a revolutionary one nonetheless since a woman desiring a man’s children will require his consent), while the Sexbot shifts the sexual / economic marketplace back in a man’s favour though even if both were to exist there would still be some men who would be engaging in hetro-bug/risk-chasing with human women for the thrill factor alone.
Besides, the Male Pill would allow a man to decide when to have children regardless of whether it is with a sentient sexbot that can reproduce or with a human woman.
The pill was revolutionary not just because it prevented pregnancy, but because it removed men from the decision making process about when to avoid pregnancy and when not to avoid it. With condoms a woman and a man both had to be in agreement or no joy. With the pill, a man doesn’t know if a woman is telling him the truth when she says that she’s on the pill or not.
It is still within YOUR ability to use a condom. If you’re so hot to get sex in that instant with that woman who happens to be available in that minute, no matter what, that you won’t insist on a condom, then you’re taking your own risk.
A robot will not be able to successfully imitate a woman for sex within my lifetime. Not truly.
If that happens down the road in 300 years, though, men would no longer put up with women’s crap en masse. I wouldn’t. I used to be hypnotized by “romance” when I was in my 20s; 30 years later, I see that women are just human beings. Many of them ONLY get their way through sex.
And then – in the post-robot utopia – women would have to either start doing something useful that they can exchange for money, or live off charity. People like Heather Mills would no longer exist.
I disagree. There are already some men addicted to Internet porn…
Plus, you are assuming all real women are beautiful. But in reality, how many are? 5%? Remember we have to count all adult women, so old women too.
A sexbot does not have to compete with a perfect 10. It only has to compete with the women who are in the 5-6 range.
The hottest women won’t be threatened by sexbots. But average women certainly will, as will almost any women over 35 (even if she was a hottie before).
Hmm, the 80/20 rule for females getting banged by males resembles a normal Pareto distribution, an observation originally applied to wealth, where 20 percent of the population normally controls 80 percent of the wealth. So, 20 percent of the population that are alpha males are doing 80 percent of the normal reproduction of the species. Looks like the feminist dream of a low testosterone heaven on earth just turned to hell in an outsourced condom. Apparently even the US government wont buy US made condoms for foreign aid donations, too expensive.
Can you imagine if one failed and the resulting lawsuit? Maybe it’s governments way of mitigating risk?
I don’t know what it will look like but I expect the ER will institute a code for a robot hand grasping a man’s penis
A code, similar to the ones they use for security (“Dr. Strong”, etc.) could sound like this: “Dr. Wolowitz, please report to the ER. Dr. Wolowitz.”
There’s another pun in there but I’ll leave it for others.
I want my sexbot to look like Susan Silverman and not be able to speak or solicit money for Obama.
Don’t you mean Sarah Silverman?
What do you think? Will Sexbots be an asset or libility to men in the future? What about to society? These are the important questions
no they arent
with the unprecedented iniquity and malevolence taking place daily in amerika — fatherlessness, male homelessness, torture of (male) prisoners, the complete triumph of feminism, utterly corrupt government, skyrocketing male suicide, routine drugging and physical abuse of little boys — these are trivial and solipsistic questions, distractions from current issues of far more impact and import
the humanistic delusion that sexbots (Blessed Salvific Technology will Save Us All!) will trigger some sort of male revolution is ludicrous, permitting timid souls an “easy out” from tackling the actual problems before us (which, to be fair, ARE daunting . . . but that’s not a good excuse for such cop-outs)
this was the SAME snake-oil they sold us forty years ago, too — Technology will solve all our problems, just you wait and see . . . just wait now, waaaiiiiit . . . OK well, trust US, liberation is just Around The Corner!
. . . and it was — for females
lol
well, everything has gotten WORSE, and clearly we will be waiting forever for Mr and Ms Science to resolve the unresolvable problems of our hegemonic, and immovable, western matriarchies
sexbots (or artificial wombs, or etc etc) are not going to change anything, that’s just pablum for minds seeking smoothness
if some techno-element truly could “liberate” the western male, be v certain it would be made illegal, and fast
ray,
Hope you’re not confusing my equation (Sexbot=Male Sexual Revolution) with some type of broader “revolution.” It won’t change the legal system, or shift the fulcrum in society. It will upset the sexual marketplace. The economic marketplace will shift as men’s resources aren’t diverted to joint expenditures. Now, by then, we may be at total resource confiscation by our government. I’ll grant that if the government doesn’t see men (or general) spending occur where it wants, it will tax/subsidize in the effort to “correct” citizen behavior.
I think we’re already seeing elements of what I’m talking about, even without the sexbot. The proliferation of pron and the increasing unrestrained sexuality of young women has convinced a good many young men to delay or forego marriage.
Feminists talk about how guys today are in some prolonged adolescence. Traditional Conservatives lambast young men for not “manning up” and marrying their daughters. The sexual marketplace has reacted to the increasing presence of feminism in American culture. Young men see what’s there and decide to ride the promiscuity train, they cash in their chips and buy a jet-ski and spend their money on themselves, or they marry some of the women that remain marginally marriageable.
I think if you throw in the sexbot (and male pill), the first two types will grow in size and the last will diminish. Young men are fairly pragmatic (not totally). If you can have decent sex, can live a life you choose, and use your disposable income on things YOU want…why put up with what passes for dating material? Your sexbot will never get fat, never say, “No,” and won’t charge tens of thousands of dollars onto cards that you could be on the hook for.
“…..When I was researching for my forthcoming book, I found (with the help of Vox Day) that the 80/20 rule really applied. 20% of the alpha males were getting about 80% of the women. Those men who have more trouble getting women turn to porn and seem to ignore or be oblivious to women. I wonder how Sexbots will further change the landscape?…..”
Sexbots will dilute that 80% of women, either numerically or representationally, and give beta and gamma males a better option. The lowest 20 percentile of females will be left in even more desperate straits and their number will go up – but it will still remain 20%. The alphas will do what alphas do and be unaffected by this……..
I consider Roissy sorta a nematode, but he does make valid observations……..
I don’t know if honest to goodness fembots work out well for anybody. Femcentric society (as Rollo Tomassi defines it) is already pretty hard at work ensuring a negative view of men taking advantage of the current situation through shaming mechanisms such as ‘porn addiction’ and the ubiquitous insult of “you can’t get laid (by a real woman)”. It’s not going to get any better when the porn gets more individualized and interactive.
The only hope I see is that at some point the eighty percent of women subsisting on ‘chick porn’ (social media, grrrls night out, and online dating) and the occasional Alpha pump-n-dump to meet their relationship needs figure out that their sisters in the twenty percent aren’t doing them any favors. If the SMP is going to change in any significant way the eighty percenters are going to need to give men an incentive to return to the market by taming the hypergamy and giving up on the dream of civilizing a ‘bad boy’.
They’ve been shaming men for decades, whether it be Playboy or [Clever pron movie name here]. The industry still grows and makes a ton of money.
How well have shaming techniques worked? Really? Men get shamed at churches…men stop going. Men get shamed at movies…men stop going. Shaming worked on women when society shamed them. Feminists are simply engaged in, “If it would work on me, it will work on them” mentality that everyone can think works.
Men are inclined to be content, even in tough spots.
The modern men can make a quality meal in the microwave, live in a humble 1 BR apt, buy inexpensive but practical clothes, and go monkey on a fembot (food, shelter, clothing, and the rest is gravy). They’re doing almost all of that already, getting shamed for not marrying up those moxie mammas, and shrug it off.
Absolutely agree.
I don’t understand where all these White Knights are coming from, or all these men who think that dusting and vacuuming once a week equals a tough job that can support a family.
I live alone, have a clean and tidy house, and I spend 99% of my time on my job. I don’t get the men who have to constantly say how their sit-at-home wives are working so hard (much harder than them). Just pay for her and shut up.
I suspect sexbots will be outlawed. They would be a net benefit for men while damaging to women’s current power status. Sexbots would provide routine sexual release to men, which is often cited as healthful. However, they would diminish the power of sex denial by female partners. They would also be a direct competitor to the lower ranks of prostitution (my reading has led me to believe that sexual acts are not the critical service provided by the call girl)
On the other hand, it seems unlikely that a man would turn away a woman’s seduction due to having a sexbot at home. Men may not initiate as many seductions but it is doubtful they would refuse them.
What of human affection and interaction. The diminished need for such interactions to lead to physical sexual release, could increase affection between men and women with more time spent on such interactions before introducing coitus. Such delay could permit the development of increased “affection” chemicals thus producing a stronger bond. It seems to me, the female friend type of girl will see her stock rise against those women with little beyond strong overt sexual attributes since male female interaction will be more about affection than erection.
to have their Ken-bots too, and the technology will improve to a point that all sexual preferences will be pleasantly satisfied, gender issues will dry up and go away, along with neuroses and psychoses, and everybody will be happy.
By that time, people who still want kids and a family can colonize space, and eventually, Earth will be green again!
Oh, goodo…the dinosaurs will be coming back.
It seems no one has addressed the issue of sentient ‘bot programming. If the misandrists have their way, the fembot will be forever complaining about needing a better quality oil and ‘her’ needs not being met. Of course, hacks will be available (and illegal).
Seriously, the entire issue is social, not technical. If men, generally speaking, are seen by women as valuable, in and of themselves, then we can rebuild a functioning and reproductively successful society. Technology is only a tool. Its effects depend on the goals of the human user.
Well, there have been inflatable dolls for a long time, but there are still a lot of girls out looking to get laid. So I don’t see how much difference a sexbot will make.
The premise of this post is erroneous. It’s based on the presumption that men have an impulsive sex drive, that they can’t control themselves and are driven to things like sexbots, inflatable dolls, or hell even a hole in a wood fence. That’s ridiculous.
Actually, women have a much stronger sex drive than men. Anyone who doesn’t know that is a fool. Exactly what is the difference between a vibrator and a sexbot? Well, there are a lot more vibrators.
So, 20% of alpha males get 80% of the females. Uh huh, that would mean 80% of the rest of males get 20% of the females. Another ridiculous assumption. I suppose by alpha males you’re referring to rock stars and athletes and high-salary hedge managers or the like. It is true that there aren’t very many of those guys, and they do get a lot of girls. But it isn’t because they have an impulsive sex drive or have a way with women. It’s because there are a lot of women out there that just want to get laid. These guys pick up on that. It’s just sex. Treat it like that, and you’ll get laid every night. Unless you’re morbidly obese or a total jerk, just about any guy can get just about any girl, especially when she’s bored with her vibrator.
Speaking of porn, the first time I ever saw porn was at a party when I was 16. These guys, their parents went on vacation and left them home alone, so they opened their ranch house for a party. Can you say high school?
I showed up fashionably late and walked into the living room where there were like forty girls, bored out of their minds. Where are all the guys? They gave me a look and pointed down the hall. I walked down the hall and opened a door, and there were like forty guys huddled together, watching some 16 milimeter black-and-white Swedish porn flick on a wall. It was some guy having sex with some girl.
Now, if you were standing in a hall and you had a choice between two rooms, one with a bunch of guys watching porn and the other with a bunch of girls bored out of their minds, all of whom want to have real sex, which one would you choose?
I’m an omega, and I chose the latter. I left the alphas and the betas and the deltas and the gammas to their movie. Next thing you know, I was in a hotel with five girls. And they didn’t mind sharing.
Girls just want to have fun. Women want sex. As long as that’s all it is, just sex, any guy can have any girl. This is why the marriage contract is so problematic. Presumptive paternity, forget about it. No fault divorce, no way.
All she has to offer me is sex. Is she going to be my life partner? No. Is she going to be my helpmate? No. Is she going to be the mother to raise our children? No. Well, then, I’m done. She offered me sex, I had sex with her, end of story. Goodbye.
All of this talk about sexbots and inflatable dolls misses the point. The real issue here is the female sex drive. And for that she wants 50%? She wants presumtive paternity? She wants the absolute right to change her mind at any time, for any reason, for no reason. To hell with that.
She offered me sex. I had sex with her. End of story. And now she want to complain about it. Let her complain.
I’ll give her something to complain about. She can complain that I didn’t call her. She can complain that I didn’t take her out, that I didn’t take her to bed again. She can complain that I didn’t marry her. She’s going to complain about something, anything, anyway, let her complain about that.
I guess that vibrator is getting a little tired by now. And I look upon that as not my problem.
Actually, women have a much stronger sex drive than men.
Oh horseshit.
Either you don’t understand what a “Sex drive” is, or you’re so disconnected from reality that you don’t recognize it anymore.
you have to remember that its not only porn that entices men away from women but its the women themselves who have made themselves undesirable by their behavior and appearance.
My favorite forum has a thread titled ‘Pictures from days past’.
The guys make comments about how good the women looked in the 1950s followed by ‘Todays women dont have waists’.
Narrator: [in movie] Did you notice what went wrong in that scene? Ordinarily, Billy would work hard to make money from his paper route. Then he’d use the money to buy dinner for Mavis, thus earning the slim chance to perform the reproductive act. But in a world where teens can date robots, why should he bother? Why should anyone bother? Let’s take a look at Billy’s planet a year later. [The scene changes and a foam hand rolls across an empty football field.] Where are all the football stars? [The foam hand drifts across an empty laboratory.] And where are the biochemists? [The scene changes to a split screen of human and robot couples making out on beds.] They’re trapped! Trapped in a soft, vice-like grip of robot lips. All civilisation was just an effort to impress the opposite sex … and sometimes the same sex. Now, let’s skip forward 80 years into the future. Where is Billy?
[The scene changes to a post-apocalyptic world. Billy is an aged man but still with his Monroe-bot and still making out with her.]
Billy: [in movie] Farewell!
[He dies.]
Narrator: [in movie] The next day, Billy’s planet was destroyed by aliens. [A fleet of flying saucers destroy buildings with laser shots.] Have you guessed the name of Billy’s planet? It was Earth. Don’t date robots!
I for one welcome our robot masters.
robot mistresses
I can’t wait to see what will happen the first time the CPSC issues a sexbot recall.
“140,000 ShagRific Tasha Reign Model 6969X sexbots are being recalled because of a labial flap defect that could cause the sexbots to catch fire when used in reverse cowgirl position at rates greater than 60gpm (grinds per minute). Affected customers can return their sexbots to the nearest ShagRific dealer where repairs will be done free of charge.”
If sexbots ever become reality, every woman over 50 will be single.
Nah, they’ll all be married. Young women will be working their butts off to get married while they can still compete with a sexbot. They won’t wait until their 30′s. No young woman would dare to divorce her husband, because she’ll never get another chance. They will have to be very nice to their man to keep him, too. “Love, Honor, and Obey” will be the rule again.
Relationships are all about power. Women’s power is between their legs. If that gets diminished greatly, they will become subservient to men again. They’ll have to do things, so that they have more value than the sexbot.
(And of course, women will have their own sexbots, too. His and Hers. Sometimes, they’ll just watch their bots perform on each other.)
Yes, it would tilt the power relationship to the men again. We’ll be back to the times when men had all the economic power. But maybe not. Who knows?
Just wondering – ya’all ever seen the end of Serenity? The part where the black ops guy invades the broadcasting planet?
Here is a poll about whether misandry in society is becoming pervasive or not.
Go vote in the poll!
It’s not pleasure that men are after, but to get rid of an obsession for a while.
Whatever triggers ejaculation also floods the brain with anti-obsessives, and a guy can live a normal life for a few hours.
So once there’s porn, there’s no further to go, as far as the market is concerned.
Aristotle said that loss of libido in very old age was like being unchained from a maniac.
Note that The Misandry Bubble, on Jan 1, 2010, predicted this to happen by 2020.
But sexbots will not happen. Rather, it will be VR sex that wins as a technology, due to reasons of cost, privacy, maintenance, and variety.
It is the second of the Four Horsemen of Male Emancipation :
1) Game
2) VR Sex
3) Globalization
4) Male economic disengagement.
All four combine to bring down the Misandry Bubble, by 2020.
It is already unnatural for single mothers to be subsidized by the government. It is similarly unnatural for women to receive paychecks for producing nothing of value in government or HR jobs…
VR Sex is merely the latest disruptor, which happens to be the first one to actually shift some power back to men.
A return to a level playing field would be good for society.
“The Stranger [Merlin] mused for a few seconds; then, speaking in a slightly sing-song voice, as though he repeated an old lesson, he asked, in two Latin hexameters, the following question:
“Who is called Sulva? What road does she walk? Why is the womb barren on one side? Where are the cold marriages?”
Ransom replied, “Sulva is she whom mortals call the Moon. She walks in the lowest sphere. The rim of the world that was wasted goes through her. Half of her orb is turned toward us and shares our curse. Her other half looks to Deep Heaven; happy would be he who could cross that frontier and see the fields on her further side. On this side, the womb is barren and the marriages are cold. There dwell an accursed people, full of pride and lust. There when a young man takes a maiden in marriage, they do not lie together, but each lies with a cunningly fashioned image of the other, made to move and to be warm by devilish arts, for real flesh will not please them, they are so dainty (delicati) in their dreams of lust. Their real children they fabricate by vile arts in a secret place.”
– C.S. Lewis “That Hideous Strength”
I look at porn from time to time, but I get more pleasure out of pleasing my wife. Her ex-husband once told me that she was more happy with me than he had ever seen her before. That was before he died. I guess you can imagine how that made me feel.
Do you really think the target consumer for sexbots will be “Men with wives”?
having sex is all, in fact, virtual reality.
When it’s over, that’s when reality hits.
I don’t think there’s any cause for concern. Sex is an important factor in forming the spiritual & emotional bond between men and women. Friendship is another. But we can’t have any such bonds with a machine.
IF such machines ever come to pass I expect they’ll be mainly relegated to the subset of shallow creeps who presently have no chance with women anyhow.
Viewing dirty pictures causes me to have sex with my wife. Sometimes she suggest I better go check my email just before bedtime.
having sex is all, in fact, virtual reality.
Reality only sets in when it’s finished.
Wisdom!!! What conclusion do you draw?
having sex is in fact a virtual realty
Wife: Noun. A woman who is angry at her husband.
Women are ALWAYS angry with their men about some petty crap or other. They joke about their men being “in the doghouse again.” They denigrate their men’s desires as if they are depraved. They withhold sex as punishment and dole it out only when it suit their purpose.
Not just me; I can see it everywhere. There is a good reason so many American men are seriously dedicated misogynists: American women!
Depends, but on the whole bad for society, likely bad for men as a class, but good for individuals. Leonard above is correct in that it is a glorified vibrator. I’m sure that one models for women would be made, and with sufficient effort one will be provided with the appropriate doctor’s note paid for by the appropriate 3rd party (government).
A booming industry in sex workers would arise. Imagine the advertising, that for some sum one can engage in some activity that is taboo without risk of infection or too much moral weight. Because it would be regulated by the state.
Or not. It is masturbation, gloriously expensive, like buying a real doll, but in it’s way kind of futile. Why though one would want a sexbot that could get pregnant I can’t imagine. And it wouldn’t solve anyone problems really.
It’s not whether sexbots will change our society; it’s at what price point the sexbot will change our society irreversibly. As long as sexbots cost more than say, $3,000, then they won’t cause much change — men aren’t going to spend that much just for something that is little better than masturbation with a soundtrack.
When a fully-functioning sexbot costs as much as a Windows laptop (+/- $500-$900), and lasts about as long (i.e. about 2-3 years) before needing replacement, THEN women will start to feel the pinch.
I have little sympathy. Women have made the entire mating process highly unpleasant, and when are faced with something unpleasant, men either destroy it or change the situation to make it less unpleasant. Well, destroying it isn’t an option, so ingenuity comes to the fore. It’s what we men do.
Personally, I can’t wait to see what happens.
I agree
Throughout history, we men have either destroyed the problem or invented the solution to various situations ever since someone had the bright idea of constructing an institution to known as ‘marriage’ that through enforced monogamous marriage made sure all beta / lower status men had wives, thus unlocking productive output out of these men who in pre-modern times would have had no incentive to be productive, evolving into the system we now know as civilisation which replaced / obscured the pre-civilizational 80/20 rule until the past few decades.
I personally find it amusing that many women (especially feminists / misandrists) have stereotyped the male gender as an ignorantly brutish destructive force without any redeeming qualities and conceitedly ask questions should as “Are Men Necessary?” or proclaim “The End Of Men”, while they overlook the fact that they still heavily depend on men being the altruistically disposable / undervalued builders, maintainers, contributors, inventors and defenders of civilisation who can easily decide to disengage and stop participating as well as use our ingenuity to invent the very things (Male Pill, Artificial Womb, VR, Sexbots, etc) that will practically make women not men superfluous.
A question for Dr. Helen Smith: You wear a shirt with “DEATH” printed large on it. I cannot read the smaller print. Does your choice for “DEATH” on your clothing have something to with the subject matter that you continually introduce for discussion, namely sex. The current Pope has referred to our modern secularized civilization (which includes sexuality) as a “Culture of Death”. At first sight this seems odd because sex seems to be so vitalizing. Just ask Jack the Ripper! By reference here was made to hint at a connection between death (particularly inflicting it) and sex. I have expanded the Pope’s words in the following manner: Modern secularized culture is a “Culture of Death without Death”. This strange addition derives from some articles published in PM Media. A culture of death without death is a form of the neo-gnositicism of much religiousity in a secularized culture. Hope I tweeted your curisosity. I am certainly curious to know what message “DEATH” is communicating.
Hi Leonard,
The Death t-shirt is a shirt from Med-Tees that is for people who have an ICD for heart problems. I occassionally write about heart disease in men and women. You can read more about the t-shirt in a post I did here:
http://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2012/02/21/my-death-t-shirt/
Oops! I apologize deeply for mistaking your message. You really went through an ordeal. I suspect that I was so taken by my psychological theory of the relation between sex, more specifically the orgasm, with death, inflicting or inflicted, that I showed too little reflection for your situation and simply jumbed to a false conclusion. I am sorry for my failure to consider more seriously the personal reasons on your part.
Dr. Helen, if you read my remarks above, you know that I am bothered by the de-humination of sex in our neo-gnostically secularized world. There is an advertisement on German tv, relatively late. The inticement begins with a man arising from bed and glancing back at his “love” (sic) for the evening. She says, still grogry for it all, something like: “Wow, Johann, that was a night!” The man looks back at his partner en passant and says a bit irritatted: “Mark, I am named Mark!” The woman mumbles “Oh yes, Mark …!” The woman looks embarassed for having mixed up names, yet irritated that any fuss whatsoever is made over the matter. This ad, really late at night and simultanrously on different stations, quickly suggests the possibility for an adventure on that very evening, willing partners living not far away. In early Greek philosophy the thinkers did not always distinguish between naming and conceiving. To name something is to identify it and to undertand what it is. The ad seems to reduce to unimportance the act of naming. Who cares who it was, just so long as it was ecstatic. Such an ad exemplifies for me the de-individualization and de-humanization of sex in our times. In this sense the ad contributes to the death of unique individuality in sexual unity. One cannot name who it is and, so what?
Without suggesting the phemenological reasons for my next assertion, I have seen many times here in Germany a documentary on the mass murderer, Himmler. In the course of the analysis it turns out that victory in battle as the “climax” was not the experienced sought for by Himmler, rather the battle itself, killing and being killed in the masses of interacting military masses. The inflicting of death seems to have turned on Himmler, and I suspect sexually. What happens when victory is gained and the violence is past? I suggest an analogy to many a male post-climax, namely the experience of emptiness, of distaste. The next round is sought, as soon as possible. Or for Himmler the next battle. War and sex, what a combination!
Isn’t homosexuality the original sexbot?
WOW. There are some posters who REALLY HATE women and lump ALL of them together in the same negative stereotype. Whatever your personal experience is, it does not mean that it is true across the board. You need to get out more.
SHUT.THE.HELL.UP.
I like how certain groups,seeing themselves as perpetual victims, or who NEED to feel like victims for whatever reason, constantly go around stirring up crap and then go “WHY DO YOU HATE ME SO MUCH!?”. You sometimes see it with Christians too. They go around screaming “YOU”RE ALL GOING TO HELL!” and then when you tell them to stuff it,they quote the bible about how “You will be persecuted for my namesake…” in order to “prove” something… You’re not being persecuted because you believe in Jesus,(Yes,I know that today some people really ARE persecuted for their belief in Jesus,I’m not referring to you.) you’re being persecuted because you’re an annoying d-bag.
Same with women. This doesn’t have anything to DO with “hating women”. All these men writing all of these comments you object to LOVE women. They love them. They’re just frustrated and tired about constantly fielding charges of pedophilia from female idiots who think a thirty year old man dating a 19 year old is the same as a 30 year old man “dating” a 5 year old.They’re frustrated and tired of being called “perverts” for expressing a natural and healthy desire in women, MOST OF THE TIME IN A COMPLETELY INNOCUOUS MANNER.They’re frustrated with, and tired of, women telling them they’re unnecessary,stupid,possibly-dangerous,deviant,oppressive,an obstacle to women’s “success”,”pigs”, and a host of other VILE and INHUMAN modes of treatment they suffer at the hands of women AS A GROUP on a daily basis, which is why they respond to WOMEN AS A GROUP with a little dose of their own.
You have NO RIGHT to judge the TRUE victims of your childish,insane,disrespectful barrage of incessant vitriol.
JUST SHUT UP.
You think sexbots are a problem. Wait until some mad genius invents something along the lines of Star Trek’s Holodeck, and people start retreating into their own private worlds.
private parts, you mean
I don’t think women are in danger of being replaced. We’re a long way from an andress (?) that can generate the kind of electricity that exists between a man and a women who are attracted to each other. And women are a hell of a lot more interesting than mechanical dolls. Could you love a robot? Can a robot have an orgasm? Will a robot seduce you or persuasivly ask for more? In a long life I have had autoeroticism (which is essentially what sexbots are) and women lovers. I don’t remember the self service, or care for it. The women I remember!
Best,
R.
I think that makes Ghenghis Khan the ultimate Alpha Male – his genes continue on everywhere.
Yes, an astounding amount of hurt or angry men. I can’t help but wonder the age ranges of these fellows.
From talks with young men I’ve worked with in their 20′s they are frustrated because women seem to only like guys who are “bad”. Men (and perhaps alpha males) are wired to spread their seed. Some young women seem to be wired to be attracted to a man who is that way – nature’s way of finding a protector.
But culturally now it’s easy for men to be let off the hook – gosh, so many women make themselves available to them – why settle down with one? Sex is easy to get.
But as women mature, in their 30′s, they start to wise up and more carefully choose partners who will stick around. Meanwhile, just as many women have broken hearts as do men.
The sexual revolution? Hasn’t worked out too well emotionally or psychologically. It might help if each side of the equation stops being mad at the other. We all mature at different rates. A sexbot is not a long term solution.
But as women mature, in their 30′s, they start to wise up and more carefully choose partners who will stick around.
And you think the previously ignored and rejected men have any sort of obligation to marry them, now that they’ve had sex with dozens of bad-boy males? And after several years of manipulation via withholding of mediocre, once-in-a-blue-moon sex, to get divorced a few years afterwards and lose everything in the divorce courts. Man up and marry those sluts indeed!
Meanwhile, just as many women have broken hearts as do men.
…which are the result of going after the bad boy alpha male, which will inevitably lead to being dumped the moment he sees a more attractive female available.
“Sex is easy to get,” you say? Right…for the top 20%. For the middle percentages, it takes a lot of work (includes the option of marriage) to get some sex. Not a lot, just “some” after a lot of cost/effort.
For the bottom half (not just the bottom 20%), it takes money, because the only women touching them charge by the event or the night.
ray,
Hope you’re not confusing my equation (Sexbot=Male Sexual Revolution) with some type of broader “revolution.”
no, i wasn’t addressing you personally, only making a general comment that technology will NOT be allowed to aid males, nor to alter the second-class citizenshp of (non-elite) boys and men in the western world
if women and their governments perceive that ANY techno-advance or innovation threatens their hegemony in the least, whether political or sexual or any other threat, that technology will be made illegal, be certain of that (IMBRA would be a good analog, in this instance)
Say like pedophilia or polygamy?
Well, in your shaming campaign against men possibly being liberated from the only real power women have – sex – you overlooked the fact that it may be BETTER for pedophiles or other socially undesirable people to be having sex with robots rather than real kids.
Excuse the interruption, now you can continue on with your hysterical shaming.
Hysterical? What… no crazy?
“If you cannot answer a man’s argument, do not panic, You can always call him names” -Oscar Wilde
What of polygamy and pedophilia? Why do we have laws against it? Is it because of undo shame?
Overlooked that it would be better? Sir, you have completely missed the point! By having read the later post you would have noticed that such technology will heighten deviant behavior. Human beings tend to seek out ultimate highs. In such a society, I believe that real human victims would be sought out even more, because the thrill of victimizing just wouldn’t be as satisfactory. You summed it up perfectly… power. Power over others. One cannot obtain power when you already have it. Technological yes-persons, would only be able to hold the dam for so long.
I certainly do not wish to shame any man or woman. That was never my intention. My thought was that technology enables people to be crueler, more unkind and certainly more oppressive. While it is advantageous, it also has a way of making us more barbarous.
I apologize for the interruption… gotta get back to hysterically shaming others!
greenlight–
Ransom replied, “Sulva is she whom mortals call the Moon. She walks in the lowest sphere. The rim of the world that was wasted goes through her. Half of her orb is turned toward us and shares our curse. Her other half looks to Deep Heaven; happy would be he who could cross that frontier and see the fields on her further side.
yeah you’d be happy alrightee, but you cant get out that way anymore, the door is as locked as Amerika’s profitprisons
the few who made it that far, understand that barrier of terror
i’d also recommend “Perelandra” by Lewis — v prognostic concerning the imminent takeover of the West by woman/feminism
Since I’m old and crusty, I still remember a remarkable 1/2 hour TV program episode of the Twilight Zone (or perhaps it was Outer Limits) from the sixties.
The story starts out where a spaceship is leaving a man on a desert prison planet as punishment for some serious crime. He is left with food and energy to last the remainder of his life, but the punishment is isolation. In an unusual concession, the ship’s captain leaves the guy with a special robot (packaged in a box) to help keep him company.
The ship leaves and the guy resists opening the box. After a long time, he opens the box and assembles the female robot and switches it on. The robot is sort of a blank slate, but soaks up info from the guy and eventually learns how to communicate and mirror back his thoughts. After a few years, the robot resembles a caring wife.
Sex is not explicit (it was the 60′s after all!) but isn’t ruled out either.
Anyway, the kicker is that a prison ship returns to the planet with great news that the guy has been pardoned (or proven not guilty) for his crime and the ship is there to pick him up and bring him home. The guy is excited and tells his robot “wife” and she is happy too. Since it is the Twilight Zone, there is a hitch. The ship has some weight issues and cannot safely blast off carrying both the guy AND the robot.
The guy is really in love with this mechanical bride and the decision to stay in the desert or return is agonizing.
Finally, he is coerced to go by the ship’s crew but leaves the planet absolutely heartbroken, seemly leaving more of himself behind than what he will reclaim by returning to his world.
Science fiction writers are usually waaaay out in front of reality.
Its an effect of “savannah brain”. The brain is not evolved enough to separate artificially generated imagery (or other sensory stimulus) from the real thing.
That was the Twilight Zone. The episode is called “The Lonely”. Pretty good description of our times.
Well, its more interesting than sad for me.
The guy invested a great deal into a belief and was able to alter his experience of reality using his imagination and a mechanical bride.
Such is the power of imagination. He was in the desert, isolated but happy. What can the quality of our thoughts do for out own reality?
Honestly this sounds nuts to me. I can’t imagine that there are that many men out there who would want, let alone prefer, a plastic, simulated female as opposed to the real thing. Also, if a man didn’t find a wife, I can’t imagine him thinking that a “sexbot” would be a pleasing option.
Well, if I were a young man now and got this option…? Might just take it, given what I see our young men going through in this thoroughly anti-male society.
Then you don’t think much.
Imagine this, a world where men are treated well by women. Then the sexbot comes along and…almost zero sales. No point to them, they’re not needed! We have all these incredible women around.
So, if you’re seeing a huge interest in Sexbots, this would mean?
I believe the outcome (heh) will be that only women who are highly motivated to reproduce will form families. With men who are highly motivated to do the same. The balance will be restored. Probably at a much lower level of population – to start.
My heart breaks at reading these comments.
Examples:
“Depends completely on if women remain the same self-serving harridans they are today”
“Does Dr. Helen even realise how many men masturbate-and how often-even in sexualy fullfilling marriages?
Sexbots sound AWESOME!!!”
“A sexbot that provides a reasonably good sexual encounter means that the women will now have to find a way to compete with “Good sex and no attitude.” Men will have the good stuff from sex and will be able to mitigate the stuff that they’re not interested in. With the male pill, you can still have to engage female bitch shields, flaking, and risk false post-coital rape charges, diseases, and worst of all – hearing about how her cat has, like, a real soul…”
“I know I’ve always wanted one of those remotes like the men had in “The Stepford Wives.”
“And then – in the post-robot utopia – women would have to either start doing something useful that they can exchange for money, or live off charity.”
And on and on it goes…
What has happened to people?
And wouldn’t all of this sex-bot stuff just be WONDERFUL for the pedophile amongst us? Do you have a sexual taste for little boys or little girls? No problem! Just order your child sex-bot today! You can start at a 1 month old child to just before puberty sets in!
Just think…No more embarrassing “Sandusky-esk” behavior to be worried about! You will be able to simulate the rape of a child anywhere and it will be socially acceptable! You can program your sex-bot to scream or try to escape… it’s entirely up to you! Sort of Stepford Children right?
Any type of sexual deviant behavior could now be indulged via technology. The quest of Jeffery Dahmer finally realized! What a boon this would be to all of you serial killer types out there! Sex/Violence/Death that never has to end! Kill til you can’t kill no more… they’re just sex-bots! Objectification perfection… with none of the consequences…morality, what a bore!
But then again…would killing a “real human” be more exotic? Hmmm….
Pregnancy? Those damn, what was it… “self-serving harridans” would never be able to trap you men again, because Voila! Artificial womb, complete with artificial intelligence to raise it… hopefully, all useful male children! (If they are girls we’ll just nix ‘em, they don’t really have anything to bring to the table except dusting and vacuuming…)
Away with those studies that show good human development gets hard wired into the child via a mother and father’s care and love! Hell… we can just raise Human-bots! No feelings or pesky moral questions to agonize over ever again! We can raise totally self-centered, self-serving, emotionally cold sexual satisfaction seekers, whose sole goal is to spend money jet skis! Wow! We really can have it all!
No need for you muslim men to stone the women any longer! Sex-bots are the answer! Have your bot and your 72 virgins too! You can program them to disgrace the family honor if you miss the good old days… Or perhaps we could have a f*** and destroy model, sold at a cheaper price, taylor made for the Mohammeden faithful? Now wouldn’t that be somethin’?
So much could be solved with Sex-bots! No more pesky morality…we will be beyond it…Beyond Good and Evil as the philosophy goes.
We will have finally ascended to the heavens to be like GOD!
My heart is broken reading these comments. My husband and I have 2 daughters. When the girls feel like the world is crashing around them, they come to their father, and he comforts, and takes them into his arms. They confide in him. He makes things better for them. They can run to the safe place that is their father. They can’t imagine life without him. Nor I. He loves them and makes them better women. My husband makes me a better woman. Apparently to him… we have value.
My hope is that there are more men out there like my husband, than those whose comments I’ve read.
Shame, shame, shame, shame (*cough*) shame, shame shame.
Your husband apparently has some value, do you?
Trying to shame men into just serving you is not going to work in the long run. And what’s with the Muslim thing? Is that just part of your irrational shaming?
20% of the men get 80% of the women? Are there really so many worthwhile women? Probably at least 30-40% of the women are so worthless that even the bottom 10% of the men would not want to have anything to do with them. Of the 80% of the women, I guess only 20-40% would manage to get close to the 20% of the men. The rest of them would just have to remain celibate if they do not lower their standards to include the remaining 80% of the men
Perhaps many of the male posters here would rather live in a muslim world until the Bot Revolution hits?
Sharia Law for all my men!!!
Just think you’ll get your “superiority” back, we can fetch your beer and live in fear of annihilation or mutilation, that is of coarse until our actual replacements ascend, due to technology… What could be more perfect?
Then, after the sex-bot revolution, your can drop the religious pretenses and have no more of those pesky moral and ethical problems to deal with ever again!
“Perhaps many of the male posters here would rather live in a muslim world until the Bot Revolution hits?”
I’ll bite. As opposed to a matriarchy where WOMEN have all the legal power in a relationship,don’t know what men want,aren’t interested in finding out what men want,and would prefer to TELL men what they want and use the law to squelch any objections to what WOMEN WANT FOR MEN,you bet your sweet @$$,honey.
Now how do you like that? What hysterical overreaching comparison are you going to make between men voicing their opinions and a sexist anti-female dystopia now?
YOU are the ones imposing Sharia Law. WE are having an adult discussion, which YOU would prefer to silence rather than allow to take place. If you want to see sex-based tyranny, look in a mirror,sweetheart.
Last time I checked,men were human beings,entitled to have an opinion on gender issues just like women were.
Actually, Rosellen K, I doubt there are many Muslims on this board.
But for you, I think the evil scientists have to develop a “Shame-Bot” that, when switched on, starts to slightly criticize any man within a 50-yard radius and then gradually works up to a hysterical shaming fit.
I hope to God that the “Shame-Bot” has an off switch.
I wouldn’t buy one, but your husband seems like a good candidate for a sales pitch.
Harcourt “Harry” Fenton Mudd had that problem on Star Trek.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Stellastellastella.jpg
That’s about what life in America feels for men — surrounded by women who are all denigrating all men. It’s especially rampant in schools and TV commercials.
Reality and Biter,
I am neither a feminist nor a man hater. I, do not like being categorized any more than you do. I do not enjoy when men are emasculated, embarrassed and betrayed… yes, that’s right, BETRAYED. I do not enjoy seeing, nor do I wish to live in, a one sided system in which men are robbed of their property, livings, children and their dignity. I too see this ugliness. Ugliness because it is UNJUST. And that sirs, is my point!!! Like lumping us all into neat little categories, or based on what we know to be true about the darker sides of ourselves, just how ugly humanity could become, how much more ugly with the aid of technology. Do we not have many examples of that now?
I daresay that the women-need-men-like-a-fish-needs-a-bicycle-crowd, have done nothing but leave devastation in their wake. Their ideas and influence have done untold damage to both female and male alike, for many of the reasons that have been stated above…because of a lack of repect for the fact that we are just human. Whether it is male or female. I don’t want to replace men! I happen to admire men very much!
I am not the enemy! I work, I help provide for my family, is that of no valuable to you? I care about what my husband thinks and if he is happy, because I LOVE HIM!!! Making him happy makes me happy. I care about his hopes and dreams, and I truly would lay down my life for him… harpie of hell that I am!
Quote: “And then – in the post-robot utopia – women would have to either start doing something useful that they can exchange for money, or live off charity.”
Again, there is a system in place that already has this as their underlying philosophy, hence the reference to Sharia. I don’t believe this is a hysterical over-reach. It’s a valid comparison of that kind of thinking.
If sex is our only power, and we have no other usefulness, then what would you suggest that we do (without sex) that would redeem us in your eyes? And for the sake of curiosity, do you use the term hysterical when you are describing other men with whom your disagree?
Rosellen K: No, you’re not the enemy, nor are you a harpie. There’s always the exceptions, and you’re one of them. The few, the proud, then non-misandrists. God knows we need more like you and your husband is one lucky fellow.
The vast majority of your sisters however…? They’re so bad we’d prefer the damned robots!
Sir, I deeply appreciate that you understand what I am trying to say. And I concede the point to you, that many of these women, (I refuse to call them my sisters), are exactly of the type that you speak of. I hear how they talk. I see how they domineer. I am truly appalled at the total lack of respect that is given to men nowadays. (Women… you know who you are!) Public scenes, belittling…Ghastly! The indictments and charges that are levied at ALL of mandom is truly stunning!
What about how fathers look after their children nowadays? Men nowadays kiss and hug their children, tell them that they love them. They try their damndest to be at every birthday party, sporting event, beauty pageant…that was simply unheard of “back in the day”. In my husband’s line of business, I see so many men being harranged by their wives and girlfriends for not being home…. because get this… THEY’RE WORKING!!! And to boot away from home for days at a time! I used to travel for my job, and I can tell you that is one of the worst things that you can do to another person.
If power and freedom for women means tramping down men and boys in the process, then it is not equality that we strive for, it is revenge, and injustice. A type of reparation, if you will. And my previous posts were trying to point this out. Revenge and fear are not love and respect.
As for refusing sex to punish. I do not subscribe to this line of thought either. By doing this, what you are telling the other person is that they are somehow unworthy of love, affection, closeness, need… pick a word. And yes, to all of you ladies out there reading this, you are implying you are superior morally to any descent man who respects your boundaries. Love as a weapon, sex as a weapon… reprehensible. By anyone, male or female doing it. I don’t want that being done to me, and I won’t do that to anyone.
I take my faith seriously. The bible teaches me that when I am married, that my body is no longer my own, it belongs to my husband and vice versa. Sex is something that is supposed to be enjoyable and beautiful, and healing. Not taken lightly and used up. We are not each others slop jars! Nor are we each others evil other!
I am a woman. I cannot do everything on my own. I need the cooperation, love, protection and respect that only men can give. Forgive me if I pointed out to some of you just how over the top your comments were. While I understand them, we cannot allow ourselves to become monsters who look down on one another.
So, Married 30+years, I curtsy in respect to you. If you have endured such treatment for so long a time, and still stay married, then that tells me you are an honorable man, more than likely a man of your word… you have my respect.
Oh, and by the way… your wife is a lucky woman also, hope one day she can appreciate just how lucky she is.
Rosellen sounds threatened….awwwww…poor baby.
Sure, a sexobt will have some pros and cons. Obviously it is not the same as being with a woman. Then again, who knows what the technology will be like in the future? I have no doubt it will be very advanced, although I think it will happen beyond my lifetime.
If the technology was available, would I want one? Hmmm. Considering my last experiences with women involved:
• Me driving to a woman’s home nearly 25 miles for a first date, only to discover that she was not home (and never apologizing to me for that).
• Me waiting at a restaurant for over an hour for a woman who never showed up.
• Me calling a woman at her work, only to be told to call back in five minutes when she was free. Called her back and was told she left the office.
I could go on and on. I took myself out of the dating game nearly 15 years ago as I got tired with the games, the BS and being taken for granted. I am 41 now and really have no need for a woman (I have no interest in having children). I am too busy with running my business and the free time I have is better spent on the golf course and in the hockey rink. If I have a sexual urge, I just watch a few clips of beautiful young women on the many porn sites available.
So, perhaps a sexbot is a better option than a real woman. Fewer headaches for me.
“Shut up!”, she explained. Shrill much?
I get that these statements and views run against the needs of women. Women in response just want us to shut up. Shut up, go to work, and pay for everything. Oh, and fix the roof this weekend.
I noticed in your comments how you extolled your hubby and all he does for you and your girls. You said not a word about what you do for your hubby and how you make his life so much better. It’s all about you.
You are the reason for a ‘bot. I can get what I need without the attitude. We men just do not want the attitude of the “modern” woman. Just give us all the things that a woman provides a man, and lose the damned, selfish, self-righteous attitude, and we would not bother with anything else.
A woman can make a man’s life Heaven or Hell, and it is always her choice, not his. Most choose to make it Hell, so bring on the ‘bots. The first ones will be a bargain at $50k.
You mean our girls. I was raised to respect men because they are the heads (leaders), like Christ is to the Church. I am not a young woman, nor do I have the current modern thinking. Our daughters are grown and we are grandparents.
I am an accountant/administrator for my husband’s business, as he asked me to quit my job to help him start it, which has been several years ago now. (I do the accounting/administrative work for his business, A/R, A/P, contracts, po’s, taxes, etc… so that he & his partner may focus on his job which is very dangerous. His business has to do with the power/utility industry).
It has taken him all around the world. He has worked in many somewhat dangerous places. An example would be of a place, (which shall remain nameless), where the work area and cantina/sleep area was surrounded by armed soldiers for their protection. He has worked in very remote areas of Siberia in which could only be reached by plane. Infact, he arrived in Russia the day the bombing took place about a year ago. Thankfully, he had already left Moscow before it had taken place, but because of the time difference, and many other factors, we were out of touch for some time. It truly was one of the worst experiences ever, we have never been so afraid.
I don’t give him grief. I don’t expect him to hop. I don’t cheat him or drain the money away. He buys, goes and does whatever he wants. He atleast deserves that. I take care of the house, lawn, gardens… he does none of it. Although, he has taken a serious interest in my tomato plants these last couple of years…
Judge much?
Judge much?
I hope the irony was not lost on you when you typed that question.
Men desire the feminine. Young women today are, by and large, not feminine. They have had their heads pumped full of so much nonsense that not only are they incapable of decent conversation (cat/soul), their personlities mimic men’s personalities (“strong, independent, opinionated”). They trade sex for cash and prizes and think men shouldn’t hold their past against them.
A young man in the dating scene doesn’t meet feminine women. Further, he runs into very real threats to his livelihood (baby traps, STDs, false rape charges, etc). This is especially true if he marries. Allegations alone (not a shred of evidence) can get him evicted from his house, put him thousands in debt with legal fees, and exile him from his children. That’s just the typical, no-cost, opening salvo in many “no fault” divorces, like mine.
And you want to shame men for contemplating alternatives to the sluts, harpies, and three-babies-to-three-men types they have to sort through, in the hopes of finding an undamaged woman?
RTP,
I ask you respectfully, what then, would you like to do with women like me? I have raised my daughters to be the same. What of them? Should I tell them it doesn’t matter, all hope is lost, go mirror what you see so much of? Should we tell our grand-daughters the same? What of us, relics of traditional values?
Are we to be lumped in and abhorred…the very thing that makes you angry?
Have we not lost our way? Couldn’t you possibly entertain the thought that all of this might… just might make things more unjust, more oppressive, in a nut shell worse?
And if the argument stands that future society would not allow men to be free, wouldn’t such technology be used against men to worsen your lot? I say that I don’t want my children/grandchildren to live in that future!
Men are the sun, women the moon… the lesser light. Should the moon overtake the sun? No. Should the sun burn away all that is? No. We need each other. Isn’t that the point? I have acknowledged that women cannot thrive, or have any kind of freedom and love/respect until we get back to not slandering, lying, accusing falsely, and laying every foul indictment against all of men. Things ARE unbalanced, but sir… I am not the problem. I don’t want to live in a world without you (men).
Have I really shamed you…really? Because I point out that ladies like me exist? And because I have pointed out that abuses that exist already now, could only stand to become much more so?
I believe that women like me are out there and we are worth looking for. I agree with Married 30+, and with Reality that we should all wait… don’t jump, don’t get carried away. Choose wisely, just because something looks good, doesn’t mean that it is. Aren’t you worth it? Perhaps make sure that the ladies we’re looking for are accomplished and capable, as well as attractive? Who are willing to work and follow you wherever you go? Perhaps probe deeper into whether your values, thoughts and expectations are the same? I know we all can be deceived, but pay attention to the small “tells”, which men I think recognize in other men, but seem to ignore about women sometimes. St. Paul says Adam was not deceived! Which means he went against his better judgment!
So I leave you with this thought:
New International Version (©1984)
Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. O my people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path. Isaiah 3:12
Wouldn’t you agree that this truly is the state of affairs today, and that technology will only make this more so?
I for one welcome our new sexbot overlords.
I had a comment which showed last night but is down today. It was critical but respectful. Scratch another blog. T
Remember the lady who gave her husband the gift of sex every day for a year?
http://www.momsmiami.com/?a=profile&u=2&t=blog&blog_id=221
The result was “Today, the couple no longer have daily sex, but they have a lot more than they did pre-gift. And they agree their year of intimacy improved their marriage.”
But what is the modern American woman’s take? “Women are often incredulous and tell Charla they’d prefer their husbands didn’t find out.”
Yeah, they may SAY they want a closer relationship, but letting a man get what he wants is just too high a price!
Actually, for the younger men here with testosterone flowing heavily through the arteries and who still believe in a “soul mate” and all of the romantic comedy precepts: Just think about doing the opposite of what you are just itching to do RIGHT NOW – don’t get married for a while. I know that she is the most beautiful thing to ever come your way, and you are soul mates, and will never EVER have a real argument, and she is the most beautiful thing to ever come your way, and sex is GREAT and ALWAYS will be, but still, consider, from an older guy:
Maybe just put off marriage for a little bit longer.
I’m dead serious.
But I probably don’t understand what you’re thinking and feeling.
Seconded. All in favor say “DELAY!”
DELAY!
Good night sweet princes!
The question asked was “Will Sexbots be an asset or libility to men in the future?”
It was the telegraph that was the pre-eminent change in communication (from hand-delivered mail to information sharing at the speed of light). The computers we have today do nothing more than allow MORE people to process MORE information at the speed of light.
Just as the the telegraph existed in the 19th century, the “sexbots” are already here: For women, the Sybian (and more); For men, the Fleshlight (and more); and for either sex a host of vinyl genitalia molded directly from the genitals of _____________ (insert porn star name here). They are the Univacs and the Eniacs of the sex-toy world.
I suggest that the question is NOT how will walking/talking sex toys change our male-female relationships, but how have sex toys already done exactly that?
T,
Very Well said.
Rosellen K
Can you make mine look like Rihanna?