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The GOP Civil War

May 9th, 2013 - 8:59 am

It’s Matt Welch talking about the Republican batter over libertarianism. And I can tell you, I’ve been caught in this crossfire and Welch is mostly spot-on with this one.

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I have often said, that I long for the day, when Libertarians are the Right and Conservatives are the Left, and we argue not about how big government should be, but rather, how small.

We are both on the Right. We need to remember that, when we squabble, because the foe we face is truly dangerous.
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The major problem I have with Libertarians (note the capital L) is their childish mindset. I have a couple of Libertarian friends, and their Facebook feeds fairly consistently feature things that decry the "tyrannical" government keeping them from buying raw milk or weed, or Fed conspiracies. The laws may be bad ideas, but that doesn't make them tyrannical.

That and their weird mindset that assumes all government spending is equal. It's not much of an exaggeration to say the military is the entire reason we have a federal government, and that our current military is the least expensive of our available options (Ron Paul's world where we would be left alone if we left others alone is as fantastical as Obama's caring and efficient bureaucrats). One could argue with how that money is spent, but our current defense budget is, if anything, too small.
1 year ago
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I agree with carlofromthecloset. Conservatives tend to see the similarities between libertarian ideas and conservative ideas more than libertarians do. I think that is a fairly recent occurrence, by the way.
You would think that there would be common ground on issues of federalism and the 9th and 10th amendments (as Scribe of Slog notes). I believe that there is not common ground there because the ideology of the Libertarians requires that they oppose all attempts to regulate, say, drugs and porno, at the local as well as the federal level.
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Obama-Biden beat Romney-Ryan by a little less than 5 million votes.
The Libertarian presidential candidate, Gary Johnson, got a bit less than 1.3 million votes in 2012.
If Romney-Ryan had picked up every single Libertarian vote, they still would have lost the popular vote by millions.
The country just isn't that into you, Libertarians.
1 year ago
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I suspect that most Libertarians realize the futility of voting for their candidate and rather go R or D depending on their priorities.
1 year ago
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I do think a libertarian president with strong views on the Ninth and Tenth amendments would be a good bet for appointing Supreme Court justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Assuming said president and justices were consistent in their views.
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I, for one, look forward to the mainstreaming of conservative ideas within the libertarian movement!
I guess that will happen as soon as the folks at Reason stop taking money from drug-addled millionaires and smut peddlers.
1 year ago
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I tend to agree with Reason about 70% of the time. In those few cases where I don't agree the gap between us is the size of the Grand Canyon. However, drug-addled millionaires and smut peddlers are low on my list of concerns and their contributions to our country's problems, for good or ill, are pretty darn miniscule. Conservatives dismiss Libertarians at their own peril. We are, for the most part, on the same team* as Libertarians when it comes to fiscal matters and if Conservatives truly believe in liberty, and I for one do, then we should honor the attempts of Libertarians to ensure liberty for all.

*I use the word "team" tongue in cheek. My understanding for reading the comments at Hit & Run is that Libertarians hate the thought of being on any team.
1 year ago
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Last sentence, change "for" to "from". I can't seem to get that whole proofreading thingy down.
1 year ago
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And you wonder why, in my memorable phrase, most people under 40 would rather chew off their own elbows than vote Republican.
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As opposed to the tens of millions who vote libertarian?
I was over the top re: drug-addled millionaires and smut peddlers, but why do the libertarians think it is legitimate to focus on their differences with the GOP, while these same libs think it is wrong for the GOP to focus on its differences with libertarians?
1 year ago
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Libertarians have a whole lot more in common with Conservatives than they do with Liberals. My guess is that Libertarians are loath to point our their commanalities with Conservatives because they consider themselves to be way to cool for us. On the other hand, Conservatives consider Libertarians to be a bunch of pot smoking porno freaks. Neither description is spot on.
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