Well, not nobody, but pretty close. According to The Hill:
Environmental groups gathered on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. Sunday and marched on the White House for a climate change rally largely aimed at pressuring President Obama to reject the Keystone XL oil sands pipeline.
Organizers said 35,000 activists attended the rally, where speakers portrayed the battle over the pipeline as a struggle between grassroots green groups and deep-pocketed special interests.
35,000? That’s a pathetic number in a country of 313,914,040, according to the most recent U. S. Census. And that’s the number being bandied about by the organizers. We all know they usually exaggerate. The reality is probably closer to 10,000, but who cares? It’s negligible either way.
If this is supposed to be a rallying moment against the Keystone pipeline, it’s hardly impressive. As one who used to consider himself an environmentalist, I think the Green movement is getting increasingly reactionary and anti-science. Ironically, Exxon is more likely to make real progress for cleaner energy than all the Green groups combined and squared. The Greens are now no more than stalking horses for socialism (Van Jones!) and, when it comes to scientific innovation, socialism is bad news (Lysenko!).
Reactionary, anti-science and stalking horses for socialism. Exactly right! It is in the best interests of science to defund and ostracize the pseudo-scientists pushing the AGW claptrap. If you want less global warming, stop funding the research.
So the MAJORITY of scientists are part of a world-wide science conspiracy for socialism…
Meanwhile back in the real world there’s suddenly no ice in the northern ocean and the Canadians are talking about how they’re going to feed the populations of polar bears that this endangers.
You know when there are islands and coasts under water you’re going to regret having tied to your politics to a stupid conspiracy theory, or to be more precise, you’re going to regret being dupes of a bunch of oil execs and the fake tobacco-is-good-for-you “scientists” at Heritage.
You know, I’m willing to bet a mastodon steak dinner against a petrified dinosaurs egg that at one time a couple of neanderthals were discussing global cooling over their rock fence a few hundred thousand years ago.
And the Cable Neo-paleolithic Network was pushing global climate change.
And the University of Olduvai Gorge, Africa, was sure it was going to get even hotter.
And the primates, who would later evolve into progressive liberals, if you call that evolving, were marching around the La Brea tar pits demanding some guy from kenya give them free hollow logs and sticks.
Good news….!
Global warming has stalled for at least a decade according to all major datasets.
1. For GISS, the slope is flat since May 2001 or 11 years, 7 months. (goes to November)
2. For Hadcrut3, the slope is flat since May 1997 or 15 years, 7 months. (goes to November)
3. For a combination of GISS, Hadcrut3, UAH and RSS, the slope is flat since December 2000 or 12 years. (goes to November)
4. For Hadcrut4, the slope is flat since November 2000 or 12 years, 2 months. (goes to December.)
5. For Hadsst2, the slope is flat since March 1997 or 15 years, 10 months. (goes to December)
6. For UAH, the slope is flat since October 2004 or 8 years, 3 months. (goes to December)
7. For RSS, the slope is flat since January 1997 or 16 years and 1 month. (goes to January) or 17 years.
The Arctic is doing fine.
The Arctic has blown away the previous record for ice gain this winter. This is only the third winter in history when more than 10 million km² of new ice has formed. And while the ice cover is still slightly under the 1979-2009 mean, the extra ice in Antarctica is making up for the loss.
You won’t be drowning any time soon.
Sea levels are not rising more than they have done over approximately the last 1000 years. It is still about 2 mm a year on average. That is with the glacial isostatic adjustment. Real sea levels aren’t rising at all.
Polar bears are doing great.
Polar bear numbers as estimated in 2009 by the Polar Bear Specialist Group of the IUCN Species Survival Commission: 20,000 – 25,000.
Polar bear numbers as estimated in 2012 by the Polar Bear Specialist Group of the IUCN Species Survival Commission: 22,600 – 32,100.
Happy…?
Bullshit!
Here’s your link:
http://www.loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=13-P13-00007&segmentID=2
Living on Earth
PRI’s Environmental News Magazine
Starving Polar Bears
Air Date: Week of February 15, 2013
There’s a player, an mp3
a transcript and pictures.
You are quoting an NPR publication?
Seriously?
“Appeal to Authority.” Only my experts are expert.
“Appeal to Authority.” Only my experts are expert.
Ah, I shouldn’t rely on up-to-date research from Polar bear expert Andrew Derocher at the University of Alberta, instead I should rely on lies from the tobacco-doesn’t-cause-cancer whores from Heritage Foundation, I mean I should count bears myself!
By the way I’m curious if you’re grateful to be quoting propaganda that was paid for with 120 million dollars funneled to about 100 groups through the Donors Trust and the Donors Capital Fund – a lobbying group that doesn’t accept donations under a million dollars.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/donors-trust-climate-denial
You’re a dupe the the very richest executives and I’m sure you’re proud of that.
Projecting much?
Talking about a lobbying group?
Lets talk about the Tides Foundation.
A money laundering organization collecting funds from the likes of Soros, Ted Turner, Hanoi Jane and oil companies.
The IUCN Species Survival Commission is now a propaganda group funded by big oil?
Did your tinfoil hat slip?
Mr. Scholar, actual scientific research has shown that wearing tinfoil on your head is more likely to focus the mind-control rays than deflect them, if such rays existed.
All that yammering – and not one link to back up just a single claim.
And one can only wonder how polar bears managed to make a living during past heating and cooling cycles without the largess of the Canadian government.
You don’t know what you are talking about.
JS, maybe you should ask Al Gore why he bought TWO multi million dollar sea level properties if he was reaLLY convinced the oceans were going to rise because of global warming…
Does “Joshua” translate as “Dumbass” in some language? Because if so your handle would make sense.
The majority of scientists don’t need to be part of the conspiracy, when the conspiracy is pervasive enough to ensure that contrary work isn’t published or referenced, and even force journal editors who allow questions to be raised in the articles they publish to resign, then the natural tendency for people to not make waves and take the easy route will ensure the majority answer the “right” way when polled.
Nevertheless, the AGW cult has yet to make a prediction that has held up.
They said temperatures would continue to rise. They haven’t
They said sea ice would be gone. It isn’t
They said glaciers would disappear. They haven’t (yes, they’ve been retreating. But they’ve been retreating for 16,000 years. I have yet to hear any kind of explanation why we should expect them to bloody well STOP)
They said polar bears would become extinct. Quite the opposite.
They said sea levels would rise. They haven’t
They said storms would increase in intensity and frequency. Both have declined.
Climate is the very first chaotic system known, and yet there is an entire industry committed to the idea that computer models that do not predict the short and medium term at all can somehow be relied upon to predict the long term. It demonstrates a complete abrogation of rational though and scientific understanding. So no, not one scientist believes in global warming, because the moment they start believing it they cease to be scientists and become religious fanatics. They are the intellectual descendants of the Cardinals who insisted that because the Galilean Moons of Jupiter are nowhere mentioned in the works of Aristotle those bodies must be fabrications.
Do I know that the Earth isn’t warming long term? No. I have no idea what the global climate is going to look 50 years from now. Neither does anybody else. At least I’m honest enough to admit it. What I do know is that if we restrict the use of fossil fuels BILLIONS of people will die who wouldn’t have otherwise. This isn’t a hard choice, assuming you have half a brain and a willingness to confront the world as it is, not as you wish it to be. Traits that are completely lacking on the Left.
You make it sound as if being able to deduce long term trends but not short term details wasn’t the absolute norm for simplified mathematical models.
Assume a spherical cow sliding down a frictionless, inclined plane, attached to a massless, frictionless pulley…
It’s just adorable to see you wave your impotent little fists in the air, while spouting off indignantly like any other pre-adolescent who’s discovered a new hobby.
The arctic has record sea ice this year, the number of polar bears is increasing, and you have yet to explain how they lived through the medieval warm period or the Roman climate optimum, where temperatures were higher than they are now.
BTW, since you’re a bit slow, a conspriracy of scientists is not required when the majority of scientists have all been trained via the same system, which has been taken over, as described by Bill Ayers.
Really, quoting PRI and Mother Jones? Are you TRYING to look make yourself non-credible?
Long term mathematical models are not data nor are they verifiable by scientific experiment. They are simply abstract human concepts based on a limited understanding of something as complex as global climate.
If mathematical modeling was so useful you could pick something much more simple, say the price of Apple stock 10 years from now and give a reliable answer. Stock is a good example because what is being asked is considerable loss of short term gains, say your job in a coal plant or what you pay for gasoline, in favor of a mathematical model predicting the outcome 100 years from now, of a poorly understood complex system like climate.
Scientists, even the “majority” of them get things wrong all of the time. When I was younger I took it for granted that at this point in history whole populations would be wiped out because of overpopulation and the world was going to freeze because that was the accepted science of the day. Then again we didn’t worry because nuclear war was inevitable as many experts predicted.
The human body has been far more studied than climate and can actually be studied under controlled conditions in a lab and we still get it wrong on a regular basis. Do saturated fats cause heart disease? Do annual mammograms increase life expectancy for women? Most people would be suprised at the answers.
The Keystone contraversy is a great example. We know that China has already stepped up to buy the oil if we do not want it. It will be used no matter what but environmental activists do not want it built in order to “send a message to the world that we care” or some such nonsense. The only message they will get is we just walked away from a sweet deal that they will be happy to profit from.
To say that emotions and myths, not to mention economics do not play a huge part in this is disinengenuous. There is far more of that going on there there is actual ‘science’.
BTW, since you’re a bit slow, a conspriracy of scientists is not required when the majority of scientists have all been trained via the same system, which has been taken over, as described by Bill Ayers.
Add the stupid beyond all measure conspiracy theory that socialists secretly run the world. You have no connection to reality at all do you?
Really, quoting PRI and Mother Jones? Are you TRYING to look make yourself non-credible?
If it weren’t for the oh so famous epistemic closure it might occur to you to click through to those articles and find out what the actual sources that the journalists used.
But no point, if it isn’t wingnut media or right wing industry-paid-for propaganda mill then it’s automatically wrong in right-wing-dupe world.
In January 2009, we were told we had only four years left to save the world from Global Warming. And this was not by Al Gore, mind you, but by highly respected climate scientist Jim Hansen.
It is February, 2013. So.. it doesn’t matter anymore, if you accept it as scientific fact or socialist plot. Too late. Game over.
So why worry now? Live as best as we can, enjoy what we can, until we all die, there’s nothing more to do.
Well, we won’t all die. Some of the better managed societies will use engineering to adapt to changing conditions.
Some recent info: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/021513-644725-geoscientists-engineers-dont-believe-in-climate-change.htm?p=full
35,000 in DC on the Sunday of a three day weekend when its 25 degrees outside for a high is pretty good turn out.
No it’s not. Not even close. When I was a lefty I was in many demonstrations in DC in winter. Attendance at some was close to a half million.
35,000 marching in 25 degree weather to protest Global Warming?
That’s pathetic in more ways than one.
Channel 4 in Denver @ 5PM today covered these as very large, in the thousands, both in Denver and in DC. Maybe Charlie can get some aerial shots and do a rebuttal.
Follow the money.
Where does the money come from to support green groups? Soros, among many.
Where does taxpayers’ money go to support “green” energy, aka payback Obama’s sugar daddies? $535 millions to Solyndra’s Kaiser, $150 millions to close down Buffett’s A123 Battery, $2 billions to Petrobra’s Soros to drill petrocarbon off Brazil’s shores.
And lets not forget that it is Soros and Buffett that benefit from no XL pipeline. The price to choo-choo oil from the Canadian oil sands to the Gulf coast will raise the price of that oil by about $2 per barrel – thereby benefiting Soros since he’ll leverage about $2 per barrel more once his oil tanker pulls up to the refinery on the Gulf coast. And Buffett? Well he owns a large part of BNSF Railroad. And who will pay the increased cost for this oil? One guess!
How transparent of Obummer – I’m sure he really is thinking about our best interests for wanting to nix the XL pipeline.
Like you say – follow the money. Present or future. It’ll show you who’s to benefit – and it won’t be you or I.
These groups have been Watermellons (Green on the outside, Red on the Inside) for a long time now.
They’re not about Science, they are about Communism.
The answer to this is easy. Create a foundation to study man-made global cooling and offer lucrative contracts to graduating scientists (with DEGREES and everything) in order to study this phenomenon. There’s nothing like offering money to a ethics free scientist to get the results you want.
Geez, I thought that with all the hype there would surely have been about 8 million there by their count. 130 buses from canada? Solar or wind? One asshat DROVE from portland for the protest! WHAT? And I’m fairly certain none of them were dressed in anything other than cotton or wool with moccasins on their feet. Surely none of them were wearing patagonia, columbia, rei or any other gear that was produced with petroleum products. Why, that would make them hypocrits. If these asshats are truly concerned they should do the honorable thing and take themselves out of the equation for the betterment of mankind. Instead they’ll continue to foul the air with their exhalations. Which, by the way, plants simply love since it’s their food source. I’d love to drop some of these clowns naked in the middle of the Amazon so they can “be at one” with mother nature. Is it possible that none of them used their Iphones of Ipads made from recycled tree bark? Fookin’ idjits!!
WHEN I SAW YESTERDAY’S ANTI-AMERICAN RALLY
in Washington DC for saving humanity from the Keystone XL pipeline the first thing I noticed was how awfully cold the global warmists were (the temp was 30 degrees) and asked myself ‘How could this be? How could the temperature not be 70 or 80 degrees after 200 years of pumping zillions of tons of man-made, heat trapping, life-destroying gases into our atmosphere? In fact with sensitive compassionate global warming activists demonizing deniers like me as worse than murdering Nazis the world by now should be one vast crematorium or gas chamber of horrors with humanity being massively gased or incinerated to death.
Moreover, as the 40,000 climatarians (humanitarians against climate change) raged against America-that’s approximately one angry protester for every plug-in hybrid sold last year falling short of Obama’s predicted 1 million-I wondered why they weren’t protesting in New Delhi or Beijing when India and China are XLing the US as the world’s worst polluters? Does America being a predominately White Christian Capitalist country have something to do with it? Or is it that once upon a time we were White, Christian and Capitalist and still unatoned for our sins?
Somebody needs to explain again how buying oil from Saudi Arabia instead of Canada helps climate.
Its this way, OWH. The Bakke formation is huge. Making the cost to ship the product from it, even if we don’t buy Canadian oil (the XL and other pipelines like it), Saudi and OPEC wellhead oil price goes down. The oil producing Arab states live on oil revenues; they shiver when oil pricing goet out of their control.
I say that, strategically, we should buy every drop of cheaper OPEC oil we can. Saudi reserves are vastly overstatedas are most of those of the oil producing states. Pump them dry and watch them melt back into the desert as nomadic goat herders again. Goodbye Wahabi fundamentalism, goodbye Arab global reach.
Use up their oil reserves and use our capacity to depress the market. Simple.
To Old Weird Harold: Because the O wants to keep the Saudi sheikh’s rich so they can send lots of cash back to him in some large money laundering operation that would make a drug lord envious. Add that to all the free stuff we send to Libya-Syria-Egypt and others (probably Kenya also) and the picture clears up a bit. Our country is heading down the road to oblivion while the O revels in his brilliance of stunting the press, accusing Americans of all kinds of tripe, etc. and you can see the rain clouds acomin’. This man likes chaos. He enjoys scolding Americans. He hates us.